Yeah she needs to realize
#lore-discussion
native kayak
I don’t think Lucio knows about Sanjay and Talon doe
I mean I haven’t read anything about how he’d know
worthy rose
Lucio knows about vishkar
native kayak
He knows they stole his father’s tech
And they’re evil
But idk if he knows specifically there’s a tie to Talon thru Sanjay
worthy rose
Hmm
nova elbow
how publicly known is Talon?
spice atlas
feral lintel
the talon leader guy reyes killed in retribution called himself a "respected businessman", though
potent vapor
That's what the mafia call themselves.
frosty shell
And Antonio likely also runs legitimate businesses
I wonder how many Talon troops were in Venice in canon
I just counted 10 in the intro cinematic
though the number of ones Genji took out was hard to count
Also 5 in the ending
haughty pasture
Hey I'm new and would love to learn thus lore. Any vids that can introduce me
This
olive stirrup
look at pins
haughty pasture
Pins?
olive stirrup
that little 📌 at the top right
potent vapor
I would really prefer if the first Junkenstein comic wasn't set before the fall of Overwatch due to some characters in the event not being known yet (ex. Sym, Junk, Roadhog). They could have written it with Reinhardt telling a spoopy story to Torb's kids, but I guess it doesn't have much fan service with most of the OW agents interacting together.
peak escarp
the characters in the story don't actually look like Junkrat, Mercy, Hog, etc - that's just for our sake, so we have something recognizable (and they can make skins of it)
it would have been a boring story if they were all original designs
feral lintel
well, we can probably assume that we're shown at least some of reinhardt's interpretation of the story, since the lord is shown as looking like him and he specifically mentions how handsome he thinks the lord would be
frosty shell
Jamison Junkenstein is obviously referring to Junkrat
though
Maybe Overwatch once got involved in Junkertown?
feral lintel
when does the junkenstein comic take place?
frosty shell
~10 years ago I think
feral lintel
then junkrat was ~15, and probably not a well-enough-known criminal yet to serve as inspiration for junkenstein
in fact, didn't he only start going on a crime spree after he met roadhog? which is a lot closer to the game's "present day"
frosty shell
yes
feral lintel
so while the devs obviously based junkenstein on junkrat, in the lore that can't have been the case
frosty shell
I'm wondering if maybe Reinhardt met a younger Junkrat
That could've been possible
Or maybe Junkrat was Jamison Fawkes Jr.
doesn't matter all that much I guess
pearl blade
I'd say that's lore enough to fit here. Great observation btw
lean prawn
the art team doesn't slack off when it comes to making skins
runic scroll
so apparently Ana says different things depending on the target's gender when she hits her sleep dart (nem for males, nemi for females)
and uses the female one against bastion
does anyone know arabic here?
is the female form the default form when the gender is unknown or something
or is female/neutral the same in at least some cases?
dense estuary
Well I know in western cultures machines are often called "she"
beyond just boats, even things like cars
no clue if such is common in middle eastern cultures
native kayak
Bastion has no gender either way it wouldnt matter😂
keen parrot
Well theres no female looking omnics I could see in any cinematic videos
pearl blade
Lmao
flint briar
Lol
keen parrot
to think about it we may have highly intelligent robots in the future
native kayak
Female looking... you want them to have boobs? lmaoo
They could be female and not have boobs since... they don’t need them
keen parrot
cloths .-.
keen parrot
Well
idk
this is basically just like detroit become human but the andriods are considered as "it's" and overwatch considers zen as him
valid shell
Some choose to wear clothes, but they don't need them.
keen parrot
Now i just thought about bastion wearing pants
vapid orchid
Bastion's got some curves
oops
shitpost
In all seriousness, I really want Pharah to get some lore. Basically she doesn't have much personality and is just 'Ana's daughter'.
peak escarp
she's a military brat who dedicated her life to trying to follow in her mother's footsteps
she is learning that her team is important, sometimes more important than the mission
she likes rock and roll, and has a dry wit
vapid orchid
didn't know about that part, good to know she's got personality though.
peak escarp
people complain that Pharah has no personality - she's got plenty of personality, they just don't like it
vapid orchid
I haven't read her comic, so I didn't know much about her, so I just kinda assumed she didn't have personality.
peak escarp
most recently, we're getting hints about her relationship with her dad
she calls him "Sam" in one line, but calls Canada "home" in another
so it's not as straight forward as I thought
vapid orchid
Everyone thinks Soldier's her dad. I think there was something saying that, but I don't remember where so I take my memory with a grain of salt.
valid shell
What.
peak escarp
no
peak escarp
her dad is a Canadian First Nations man named Sam
he's a public servant of some kind
valid shell
Regardless of how old she was or the nature of his and Ana's relationship, I'm guessing Canada became "home" for her once Ana disappeared.
At least for holidays.
Also Sam likes hockey.
grave lotus
dude ozen is hot
valid shell
@grave lotus The fuck is an ozen.
vapid orchid
Exactly, I never said Jack was her dad or that I thought he was in the first place. All that I thought I remembered hearing something about that, but to take my memory with a grain of salt as it is very shit.
valid shell
When you say hearing something, do you mean canon info?
peak escarp
valid shell
peak escarp
he's also from BC
before he was revealed, most people thought Reinhardt was her dad
I've never heard of people thinking it was Soldier
rocky vapor
doesn't rein already have a wife and family? I may be thinking of Torbjorn.
peak escarp
Torbjorn
worthy rose
I still ship Ana and Rein no matter what lore says. >:(
valid shell
@worthy rose Neat. Shipping isn't really applicable here tho.
rocky vapor
'xd widowtracker is canon bc widow and traker loaf' If I'm being honest, most of the non-canon ships made by the community are pretty cringy. In my opinion, at least.
rocky vapor
WidowTracer makes no sense. HammondxWinston makes no sense and is disgusting for obvious reasons. Reaper76 contradicts lore in a number of ways. Anyway, I digress, as talking about cringy ships doesn't really apply to lore.
valid shell
If only you had thought of that before you listed a bunch of cringy ships and likely perpetuated the conversation.
rocky vapor
Okay.
valid shell
Back on topic: I do like Pharah referring to herself and Brigitte as "Overwatch brats".
And considering how much of a shared history Brigitte has with Mercy, Angela and Fareeha are likely also familiar.
autumn rain
Zenyatta + Genji bromance is the only ship worth sailing
dense maple
i feel like hammond would have good chemistry with junkrat n hog
since hes sort of a chaotic neutral character
valid shell
And not the fact that he shares their culture?
lunar sonnet
Phara is coming to Canada this Winter in voice interact
Are we getting a Canadian map?
lunar sonnet
First Nation’s skin tone is similar to Egyptian
You can barely tell that she’s a mixed
I wonder if Pharah is inspired off someone irl
peak escarp
I'd love a Canada map . . . as long as it's Vancouver
long ermine
whats interesting in canada that we dont already have though
isnt it just cities and forests
and frozen shit
peak escarp
maps are all for places that are relevant to the story
(even if we don't know why they're relevant yet, like Petra or Ayutthaya)
so if we got a map set somewhere in Canada, it would be relevant to the story somehow
long ermine
What's first nation
lunar sonnet
Errr
It’s on of the respectable name we call the Native
Over time it changes
Aboriginal
First Nation
There’s a few more
peak escarp
First Nations is the official designation of the aboriginal peoples of Canada
in some older government documents, they're still called Indians
as for what Nation Sam is from, he's probably either Haida or Coast Salish
those are the two biggest nations around here, and they all have a similar artistic style as Pharah's Thunderbird/Raindancer skins
lunar sonnet
You from Vancouver dude?
peak escarp
yep
lunar sonnet
Ah same
Well
Used to
Then rent with up
Moved to Burnaby
Th n rent with up again
Moved to Surrey
...up again
Moved to Sunshine Coast
And somehow I’m back to Surrey again
I can’t catch a break with moving lol
peak escarp
I'd love a payload map through Stanley Park
we don't have a main map in a more natural setting - everything is cities
feral lintel
not sure if this is related to lore enough, but wrt shippers i highly doubt the writers will ever make any of the male characters lgbt, let alone two
they would risk losing a big part of their audience
long ermine
yes, me, a gay person is perfect proof why blizzard wouldnt make a character gay
nice assumption
canonically they would almost definitely hate eachother. From interactions in uprising, in game, archives, and the comic with Ana
Old soldiers iirc
theres nothing to say they remotely like eachother
feral lintel
i wasn't talking about reaper and soldier 76 specifically
feral lintel
every male character in the game. they're all straight
long ermine
How do you know that?
Perhaps they're bi, or gay, its not typically something you advertise
feral lintel
the writers would've told fans who asked by now, but they haven't after 2 years, so none of the characters except for tracer are lgbt
long ermine
"its not possible because they would have said it" isnt a very reliable defense
feral lintel
it makes no sense why they would want to keep information like that a secret
long ermine
you could say the same before the christmas comic about tracer
maybe because it has NO RELEVANCE to anything?
feral lintel
if it doesn't matter, then why not just tell people?
long ermine
because they have better things to focus on? What good would adding a random lgbt character to the game
it made sense with tracer
it was a good time and a tasteful way to announce it
with anyone else, at least thus far in lore, it would stick out like an ugly thumb as pointless detail for inclusion
feral lintel
and yet they somehow find the time to focus on telling people what brigitte's favourite flavor of pie is or what soldier's middle name is
long ermine
middle name is on a dogtag, on a skin that it fits with
brigittes favourite flavor of pie I have no idea about, I havent heard it but it was I assume an answer from chu on twitter?
feral lintel
or that pharah is half-canadian, which seems like a "pointless detail for inclusion"
long ermine
yes because a key point of speculation in the lore for years and an untied loose-end is a pointless detail for inclusion
gj
feral lintel
what untied loose end? it doesn't matter for her character at all that her father is canadian. they only mentioned that because people were getting offended about her thunderbird skin
long ermine
untied loose end being; who was ana with to have pharah
it does matter for her character, she's half canadian
thats actually a large chunk of her character
feral lintel
not really, no
long ermine
yes really tho lol
feral lintel
nope, aside from a few throwaway lines of dialogue in-game, there's no mention of it
long ermine
where someone is from and who their family is is a pretty big part of a persons character
half the game is tropes about where the heroes are from
feral lintel
and yet pharah has no tropes about where she's partially from
long ermine
skins have been in the game since launch lol
feral lintel
aside from the skins, i mean
feral lintel
skins aren't lore
by that logic, mercy and reinhardt are half-chinese because of their lunar new year skins, and sombra is half-hawaiian because of her tulum skin
long ermine
there's a difference because they're not those things. Those are also event skins. Pharah IS half canadian so those skins are relevant
feral lintel
so zenyatta is therefore a third egyptian and a third arabic because of his (non-event) skins
long ermine
non event skins obviously wasn't the important part there :p
feral lintel
i'm just saying they made pharah half canadian to appease people who were getting offended 😄
long ermine
And I'm saying you're wrong, there's no evidence either way
terse oak
What @long ermine said, your assertions are baseless @feral lintel please don't use them in a serious discussion. Leave your opinion pieces for g-d
feral lintel
i am being serious but whatever, i'll stop
regal coyote
to be fair Ana's father being a first nation may or may not be an after-thought
but whatever it is, the development makes for a mroe in depth complex characcter
also, it is uncommon for mix heritage to be in a game (unless it is like the whole half-monster/alien trope)
so happy to have a character that is of mixed culture.
vapid orchid
Overwatch definitely nails it with adding diverse culture without seeming to add it 'for the sake of having minorities'.
dire timber
@regal coyote you mean Pharah's?
@feral lintel I think there's a chance that they'll reveal Genji as being bi
most likely through some flashbacks to his playboy days, showing him going out with men and women alike
regal coyote
that would be sweet really.
dire timber
yep, it would!
regal coyote
Was hoping for it to be someone like Rein at one point. An older member as part of the LGBTQ community is good also
usually you only see young people in media
dire timber
eh, "old gay man" trope feels a bit tired at this point
regal coyote
now we still needs our trans hero
dire timber
👀
regal coyote
yea a real black lady is nice too.
not the fake black one we have. I mean Orisa is good and all, but she cant really count in this case.
long ermine
the most likely ones to be lgbt would be the older ones
reinhardt was born around this time
he's like 13 right now iirc
dire timber
Idk, he seemed pretty flirty with Ana
I don't think they're going to go that way with Rein
long ermine
yeah not saying he'd be the most likely, more that people around his age group are more likely
long ermine
That's true, but I meant more that being bought up in the time we live in now is going to lead to a lot more lgbt people
acceptance and education and whatnot
dire timber
yeah, but wouldn't that like, still be a thing?
I dunno why you're singling out older characters here
dire timber
hm, alright!
regal coyote
srsly if you ask me, by the time of ow lgbtq should not even be an issue at all
issue would be human-omnic
long ermine
yeah but stuff not being an issue tends to lead to it getting less attention
like I might be talking out my ass here but wasn't there a study about how interracial marriages peaked a while after the major civil rights movements
dire timber
I don't think the Overwatch team is going to think along these lines though 😛
long ermine
thats fair but if we're talking about specifically how the overwatch team thinks why arent we talking about a rat from mars or some shit
its the only logical next step
dire timber
hm, moving on
my bet's on Genji being bi, and then maybe a trans hero in a year or two
long ermine
genji being bi would make sense, not sure about them adding a trans hero tho
regal coyote
would be for the best
long ermine
they got a significant amount of backlash from tracer being gay
regal coyote
also help unofficially fuel those fandom fantasy
long ermine
shipping in the ow community is dumb as balls
regal coyote
srsly yeah
long ermine
so we have these two heroes right
who are made to be opposites right
and they canonically dislike eachother right
dire timber
Torb & Ingrid forever ❤
long ermine
and they're each the head of opposite factions right
but
what if they FUCK
ow shipping 101
dire timber
I think the only fan ship with any degree of plausibility is Genji & Mercy
long ermine
yes n no
worn oracle
are we talking about omnic rights?
long ermine
i can see it but at the same time, bruh that doctor patient dynamic is baaaaaaaaaaaaad
worn oracle
because i'm a massive technophile and therefore love my robot sons
dire timber
we aren't, but we can
worn oracle
if we're not already i don't wanna interrupt
dire timber
it's weird how UK was, like, specifically singled out to be a shitty place for omnics to be
long ermine
im pretty sure its just because of the omnium there
worn oracle
you'd think america would be the one
long ermine
and the omnic heavy population
regal coyote
i am sure omnics feel much less at home in junkertown too
dire timber
with Russia there's a reason for it, and with Australia, it's just Junkers
regal coyote
i think they use england as the ground zero for that event to avoid cliche
worn oracle
this is most likely the case
long ermine
im not sure but they're similar to russia with the omnic attacks
worn oracle
also because the "omnics = slaves = civil rights movement" might be a little heavy handed
regal coyote
see in russia, it mkes sense to hate omnic, i mean literally they at war a few miles away
for korea we can say the same too
dire timber
but yeah, even still, it's not like a thing with Busan
long ermine
they might have some civ omnics in korea but there'd still be discrimination
regal coyote
but we know in japan they are fine
dire timber
but it is very much a thing in King's Row
worn oracle
how do we know that?
dire timber
it's just, I feel bad for Brits, you know
worn oracle
i'm always a thot for lore
dire timber
they get to be featured in Overwatch, but they get... that.
dire timber
hm, alright, some thoughts on how each country treats omnics
worn oracle
okay so busan has their LRT and america has the one maglev featured in the mcree comic
why does numbani need an airport
regal coyote
cause flying by air is still a thing, as we know it
dire timber
Russia & Junkertown - undesirables, scrap on sight
UK - strictly regulated
US, Japan & the rest of the world - tolerated, but still marginalized in some ways
Numbani - embraced as equals
regal coyote
busan always would be a zombie train if the opportunity is there, if only for a reference
worn oracle
ye
dire timber
that sounds about right, doesn't it?
regal coyote
i think in the US the omnic is in quite a good place
worn oracle
but in retribution the drop ships are hella slow compared to even the water transport
relatively good place
regal coyote
i mean, omnics even start seeing humans as less effecient in some regard, so we can guess they have reasonable status
worn oracle
we don't know enough
regal coyote
i got that from that asshole omnic director in the car
also posters of many things include omnics
like blizzyworld
regal coyote
if they were seen as quite lesser they wont be featured that way
dire timber
@regal coyote I think in the US, they're mostly a novelty, and there's plenty successful omnics, but I think they're still disregarded in some ways
worn oracle
this is probably true
regal coyote
knowing canada being canada, staus of omnic is similar if not more.
yes evil canada cannot exist
worn oracle
we know in monaco they're allowed to accumulate wealth
regal coyote
monaco is a special case though
the one omnic we see is like a super pmnic
we dont knwo how it is for the rest of them
worn oracle
there's also omnic dealers
regal coyote
we know in china omnic is at least doing cheap labour
we have omnic servant type of jobs everywhere, so dealers is not really telling us much
worn oracle
i may be a huge gay nerd but i want to know more about the fashion
regal coyote
but yeah hopefully they at least have some rights of possession
worn oracle
this may also be an excuse to give sombra that red dress from the comic
but that's beside the point i want to see some fashion damn it
long ermine
slay me mommy
regal coyote
srsly sombra is like fashion model
worn oracle
ngl sombra is exactly my cyberprep aesthetic
regal coyote
do we know how that status of omnics are in general aussie?
we know omnics have no omnium in aussie now
long ermine
isnt australia a wasteland now
regal coyote
we know in the junker zone omnics are non-entity
regal coyote
there is a huge part of aussie that is fine
worn oracle
also pls give widow https://i.imgur.com/5YmNieK.jpg as a skin
regal coyote
junker probably is autonomus
worn oracle
here's a face close up
long ermine
lol wtf is that
worn oracle
a weirdly low quality pic gimme a hot minute
regal coyote
@long ermine widow's skin in masquerade is a recolor though msotly
on the french wig widow that would be godly
we need sombra in fifth element skins
long ermine
didnt black lily get released after masquerade
worn oracle
if widow was given that skin i would 100% become a widow one trick
i have no aiming skills but i would sure as hell werq that skin out
worn oracle
oasis we see them as waiters
regal coyote
civilized korea = omnic war
worn oracle
but nothing else but /shrug
dire timber
@long ermine the Outback is a wasteland, the rest of Australia is fine
long ermine
ye i figured
regal coyote
in jaoan theya re ok, we even have that nice beloved omnic nanny
feral lintel
hanzo is very fashionable
worthy rose
symmetra in general
peak escarp
Korea seems to be okay with non-gwishin omnics
there's signs all over the Busan city map for shops that look like they cater to omnics
runic scroll
Hanzo casual skin is nice except for the shit smear on his butt running down his legs
How did they not see it
peak escarp
it's a gold dragon
tawny silo
yea looks like diarrhea
peak escarp
I like it
runic scroll
Yeah and it looks like shit smear running down his pants
tawny silo
it wouldve been fine if it was going up one leg
runic scroll
I personally would have preferred not having it at all, but if they absolutely needed it, one leg
Yeah
tawny silo
just looks like he sharted
runic scroll
Like on the side or something
tawny silo
ya
tawny silo
just without it would look better
runic scroll
Maybe like a green dragon, although that’s more genji
Yeah agreed
I guess they felt a legendary skin needed more flair
I wonder when sombra wears the talon skin
Is that like when she first joined or something
We don’t see her in that skin in shorts where she’s working as talon
peak escarp
it isn't known if that skin is canon or not
peak escarp
not all of the Archives skins are canon
timid eagle
I’d assume most of the archive skins are cannon to their respective character.
The Torb skin (with the mutton chops) and the Sombra Talon skin are the only two I question.
feral lintel
beardless torb seems to be from before he lost his arm, since he still has one under the claw attachment
peak escarp
Winston's Specimen 28, Sombra's Talon and Lucio's Equalizer are the ones I were thinking as questionable
feral lintel
equalizer lucio is pulled directly from concept art, right?
timid eagle
Specimen 28 seems legit.
peak escarp
concept art doesn't mean it's canon
feral lintel
i mean that in the sense that it's probably not meant to be taken as canon
timid eagle
Who knows.
Maybe when they create a Lucio short, they’ll have that as his rebel outfit.
timid eagle
As for Winston, that Specimen 28 Skin seems to be cannon, as they made him look younger/slimmer.
timid eagle
Well, they have to give Winston glasses for his base model.
feral lintel
i'm comparing the skins right now and he doesn't look younger or slimmer than his default
peak escarp
Winston would have left the moon at age 16-19
valid shell
@feral lintel Yeah, he looks identical.
peak escarp
and was fully grown by then
normal gorillas mature at 13, but Winston has been genetically modified, so he probably matured a little slower
feral lintel
that seems plausible, since hammond is well over the lifespan for a normal hamster
peak escarp
and the average gorilla life expectancy is 30 - Winston is 29 and acts like a young adult
both of them age much slower than their ordinary counterparts
feral lintel
winston will likely live a lot longer than a normal gorilla, too
i wonder what the other animals at the colony did after killing off all the humans there
peak escarp
go ape? :V
feral lintel
lol, i mean like
did they eventually set up a new society of sorts amongst themselves?
cedar moon
Horizon: become ape
peak escarp
this isn't the place for that
worldly flax
!warn @shy lion the only channel this is allowed in is #video-content. dont post it again.
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timid eagle
In all seriousness, it’s hard to say.
It’s more likely they are still causing chaos across the colony.
shy lion
chels my bad
timid eagle
And, wasn’t it implied the genetic therapy was mostly successful on Winston & Hammond?
The other test subjects didn’t seem as such, from what we can gather.
regal coyote
on Lucio outffit
he a DJ and go onto shows
it is only natural he has many outragous outfit
i doubt if any of his outfit really ahve any combat purpose though
most are just for looking fly
peak escarp
but it's not confirmed canon like DF's Talon
or most of the other Archives skins
it is plausible though
regal coyote
indeed
but it is a "casual" type of clothing for lucio considering his personality
iow it is not a significant outfit
limpid agate
No
peak escarp
I think the only hero change that was canonical was Bastion's Ironclad passive
runic scroll
The removing shield part?
iron plume
no
his passive damage reduction in sentry
which coincided with Torb picking him up and repairing in lore
Chu's confirmed that the name of the ability "ironclad" is a reference to torb
peak escarp
yeah, what Party said
we haven't been given justifications for the other reworks
although Mercy always had the Valkyrie suit
she just didn't use it
runic scroll
Is mercy having a staff canon at all?
Not the whole heal and damage boost part
But just having a staff, even
urban folio
Idk the game sometimes feels very loosely based on the lore
Well the gameplay aspects at least
iron plume
She does have a staff, it's shown in uprising comic
peak escarp
the game is very loosely canon
iron plume
and yes, the gameplay is loosely based on their canon abilities
the game's action is completely noncanon
peak escarp
not the matches, but the scenarios of the maps, the heroes's abilities, and the interactions
feral lintel
well, most of the character interactions are "what if" scenarios and not canon
peak escarp
true, but the information in the interactions is canon
like Lucio's dad working for Vishkar and inventing their sonic tech
feral lintel
yeah
dense maple
its more of just showing how each character feels or wonders about the other, rather than actually meaning to show canon interaction
noncanon interaction to show canon feelings or thoughts about the other character
iron plume
yes
feral lintel
yeah, it shows how they'd interact if they ever met (or had a reunion)
iron plume
it's a conversation they would've had if they met and worked together
so you can rely on them for info that's brought up within but not as a "X met Y" or "X knows Y is alive"
which is why it's interesting how mercy brings up zen's healing
dense maple
excluding ana and widow's interaction
iron plume
it seems like that's an actual thing
dense maple
the interaction at least shows how each feels about the other
iron plume
so, what I said, yes
dense maple
ana feels resent to amelie because she doesnt understand the full story and thinks amelie betrayed her husband
amelie actually gets a bit noticeably angered by ana saying that thing about her husband, saying "you know nothing about him", showing that she does actually still hold feelings for her husband
while the interaction is noncanon, it gives a lot more info about them
limpid agate
The part that makes it noncanon is
They havent actually met again post shooting her eye out
dense maple
yeah
dense maple
i wonder, who would win in a sniper shoot-out in lore? ana or amelie?
dense maple
it seems like if ana didnt hesitate, amelie wouldve been shot
limpid agate
Only reason why Widow won was because Ana hesitated
Now she knows
And if it comes down to it again, she wont hesitate
dense maple
i kinda find it interesting that despite widow being such an incredible sniper (i.e. perfectly luring tracer into the spot she wanted to shoot through tracer, hitting the head of her target), ana is actually superior
just she has less gadgets
limpid agate
Nah
Ana had lots of gadgets back then
She had drones and her eye was a scope
While Widow had her grapple hook and maybe a prototype of her visor.
Nowadays, Widow has the hook/poison mine/visor. Ana has a bunch of darts.
long ermine
tbf they some potent darts
peak escarp
I think Widow would win
because Ana wouldn't take the shot
Ana seems like she doesn't want to kill anymore - Widowmaker has no problem with killing
that said, if Ana can land a sleep dart on her then there wouldn't even be a fight
feral lintel
that's assuming the sleep dart would work
peak escarp
don't see why it wouldn't
might take longer to take effect, due to her slow circulation
but it would also last longer
iron plume
well i mean
we technically haven't seen it work at all
reaper is obviously a special case but he's the only one she shot at in canon
iron plume
i'm talking about sleep dart
long ermine
Ahh
iron plume
and promo material is also grey-ish canon since it'll often depict gameplay stuff
long ermine
I think trailers art comics and panels can be taken as lore
iron plume
comics yes
long ermine
Concept art, fan art not included ofc
iron plume
art and screenshots they make to show off the new hero, not really
if by trailer you mean origin story, yeah
long ermine
Screenshots are different, art is more grey imo
Like the original shirt was called a fry tailed
Fucking phone
Short was called a trailer
And Winstons recall speech was a trailer
runic scroll
so lorewise, Ana uses different ammo to attack and heal, right?
it's not like the nano technology automatically distinguishes friendly and foe, right?
valid shell
Am I insane, or was it said somewhere that she applies an enzyme to her teammates before a fight so that the biotics in her darts react positively.
iron plume
it may have been said somewhere
but that wasn't anywhere canon
frosty shell
As for Hanzo's butt dragon I believe that's meant to imitate actual Japanese fashion
limpid agate
@valid shell I think that was a fan theory
Ill double check it
@frosty shell Explain
frosty shell
I swear I saw on Reddit that the pants on Casual Hanzo are based on Japanese style
But I can't seem to find it
frosty shell
They had pants with big prints on the butt?
Because that's what I was talking about
vapid orchid
I know there's pants with prints on the side, I haven
't seen any with ones on the ass, though.
limpid agate
I cant find anything about Ana injecting her team with a solution to accomodate the darts @valid shell
I checked a few interviews, couldnt find it
valid shell
Hm.
limpid agate
IF anyone said it, it was on the old forums
But I cant search those
Or rather, I dont know how to
valid shell
Nah, I feel that it was just a theory.
limpid agate
I know what youre talking about, but cant remember if it was just a theory, or if it was Jeff.
valid shell
Usually it's not my style to spout headcanon as fact, so I don't know what convinced me.
limpid agate
Time
You heard it long ago, just thought of it now, and assumed it was fact because of how long ago you last thought of it
vapid orchid
I remember reading on reddit that Chu confirmed Torb had no missing arm, they were just different connectors, but I'm probably crazy and read something the wrong way.
peak escarp
as far as I know, Torb was always on the list of people with missing limbs
peak escarp
I think he had to clarify about his Ironclad skin, since that is from before he lost his arm
he also had to clarify that Hanzo, Pharah and Lucio were not on the list of people with missing limbs
(but people still ignore that)
urban folio
Ana only has one eye now tho
And she’s old
Wouldn’t she lose to widow cause of these reasons
cunning sand
No
One eye dosnt make it harder science widow closes one eye when shooting
Age is but a number
timid eagle
"Age and beauty. I have you on both."
urban folio
Wouldn’t her peripheral vision be reduced tho
Idk do sniper shootouts involve just scoping in and waiting
valid shell
Ana would likely lose to Widow in a sniper duel for the same reasons that Hanzo would lose to Genji in a sword duel.
The former have adopted a completely new skillset while the latter have done nothing but hone sniping and swordplay, respectively.
limpid agate
@vapid orchid @peak escarp About Torbs arm, it was in an interview with Ster back when Ana was new.
When we were first explicitly told
Since then we've been told many times.
Whereas for heroes who looked disabled but had their limbs
Pharah and Lucio were confirmed to have all their limbs
And Hanzo, he has weak ankles
pure kernel
lol
subtle moss
It's more that the people who made the character models didn't make them anatomically correctly for people who still have their limbs, or maybe they originally were supposed to be amputees but the writers changed their minds.
Lorewise Pharah has real legs, but the Pharah model we see in the game absolutely does not.
subtle moss
Lucio is the same thing, but even worse.
peak escarp
that can just be blamed on artistic style
it's not that surprising - Pharah's bare arms can be seen in Reflections, and Lucio's normal legs can be seen in his LNY spray
and then there's Symmetra - confirmed to have a prosthetic, people swear it's just a glove
hasty surge
anyone knows what is 1337 H4X0R?
google isn't really helpful
it says something like Dva's rival?
cunning ledge
The phrase “1337 H4X0R” is a decently old meme if that’s what you’re asking
1337 is calculator for leet, as in elite
feral lintel
and H4X0R is leet speak for haxor/hacker
so 1337 H4X0R means elite hacker
https://i.gyazo.com/6623af51a4233835d40d91fafd93b496.png
i'm assuming this the comment you're referring to @hasty surge
they're basically saying they want to see a pro hacker vs a pro gamer
hasty surge
okay thanks guys
cunning ledge
For the record, Alejandra is explicitly not Sombra
feral lintel
alejandra knows sombra, but she isn't sombra
cunning ledge
Read Searching again
hasty surge
Ok wow looks like I forgot some info
tranquil sun
what do we know about Iron Star?
(besides that it's a scratched map that would've been cool)
feral lintel
iron star? i've never seen that brought up in the lore
cunning ledge
It was some kind of primordial version of volskaya
regal coyote
there was supposed to be multiple levels and elevator
frosty shell
there was that unofficial Pharah deconstructed image
which might explain how her legs can fit
cunning ledge
they missed the missiles in the thighs
frosty shell
The main thing which makes Pharah's and Lucio's legs look robotic is the mechanical joints on them
feral lintel
well, they're not robotic
regal coyote
this cosplay have a spot for the rocket on the thighs i think
cannot find that video
limpid agate
Here is what you mean, but its not exactly lore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7YDZyOB9_8
It does show off how you can fit into that armor though
If Blizz saying she has her legs wasn't enough
So does this cosplayer, and it looks just as tight
regal coyote
My point also
Ignoring that comic stylized proportions it can infact fit a rocket.
But yeah not the best place for one. the thighs especially
timid eagle
In Junkenstein's lore, it wouldn't surprise me that the Enchanted Armour is the Witch's creation.
regal coyote
what is witch mercy's power anyways
we know witch mercy can resurrect and heal in junkenstein's lore
cedar moon
Has mercy ever met Pharah
feral lintel
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/overwatch_gamepedia/8/8a/Ana_Overwatch_photo.png?version=d3a5cbc868cafc2d304004ee7282722b
if this picture is canon, then yes
iron plume
yes, at least once
timid eagle
@regal coyote Well, she's a powerful sorceresses who is capable of giving someone their truest desires.... But in turn, she has them bound to her will.
If the sequel to Junkenstein's Revenge (the comic) is any indication, said person can't even die until they fulfilled their end of the bargain.
cedar moon
Judging by the “I don’t feel so good” voice lines in Overwatch when hero’s get hacked got cut, what exactly do they feel when hacked
feral lintel
it isn't confirmed that's what they would've said when they get hacked
i'm thinking those lines were originally for being poisoned
limpid agate
@cedar moon Gameplay != Lore
The sounds are just audio queues
Id imagine most of them wouldn't even notice it.
And the ones that do, it would just be lights turning off or gear malfunctioning
Omnics are the only ones who would feel it, and we have seen their reaction in the Zarya comic
frosty shell
We don't know which of the Halloween skins represent things that exist in Junkenstein
At least, not the ones which haven't been featured in the comics or gameplay
Bride of Junkenstein probably does (I guess) but nothing certain
worthy rose
Can anyone link me a video that’ll explain all of the OW lore
limpid agate
@worthy rose Just watch the shorts in pins
wanton mirage
And thats the lore
urban folio
Why does doomfist look like his entire body is prosthetics
It looks like his skin is painted
timid eagle
That's the point.
vapid orchid
that's racist. Kidding.
timid eagle
He was heavily harmed during the crisis, losing one of his arms, and the company that his parents ran were able to restore him with prosthetic limbs.
Unfortunately, that caused him to be barred from any sporting event.
As he used to be a martial artist that attended fights.
tepid abyss
Didn't he also join more underground type fighting where he could actually participate?
timid eagle
That too.
peak escarp
he joined Talon
tepid abyss
Did he accept to have other prosthetics? Like his peck has a small hatch i guess?
I really like the idea of the ow universe slowly becoming cyborg
timid eagle
This is what is says about Doomfist post-crisis:
"Eventually, Akande lost his right arm in the aftermath of the Omnic Crisis, and his martial arts career was finished before he had reached his prime. His company's cybernetic prosthetics allowed him to recover from his injuries, even making him stronger, but these enhancements rendered him ineligible for competition. He tried to devote himself to his business with the same zeal that he had for fighting, but he found nothing that could fill the void... until he was given a new opportunity by Akinjide Adeyemi, better known to the world as the second Doomfist, the Scourge of Numbani.
Adeyemi offered Ogundimu the chance to fight with him as a mercenary. Initially wary, Ogundimu accepted, and discovered that he now had an arena in which he could unleash his enhanced capabilities. Eventually, Adeyemi brought him into the Talon organization. Talon's belief that humanity would be made stronger through conflict resonated with Ogundimu's personal experiences. Moreover, Talon's power struggles presented a new challenge that allowed him to use his talent in the boardroom along with his cunning as a combatant"
peak escarp
so he worked for Adeyemi for a while as a mercenary before fully joining Talon
tepid abyss
Is he high ranking in talon?
I'd imagine they have some kind of board but idk if he would be senior enough to join in
peak escarp
who? Adeyemi?
limpid agate
@tepid abyss Is which one high ranking?
tepid abyss
Current doom
limpid agate
Yes, he's probably the main leader of them all
timid eagle
The second Doomfist, when he was in Talon, was not much better than a hired thug.
limpid agate
He is 100% in the council, alongside Moira and Reaper. (And Symmetra's boss)
But his position seems to be above the rest.
Rialto shows there is one primary leader
And most of what we have seen implies its Doomfist
tepid abyss
I hope we get talons real leader as a hero, if not a boss in an event
timid eagle
The Talon counsel found Akinjide to be a useful asset, but saw Ogundimu with much more potential.
tepid abyss
I'd say Doom is probs the right hand guy to the real leader, even if Doom has the qualities of leading, he wouldn't always be in the Frey if he was
peak escarp
Doomfist is the leader
worthy rose
Is there anything in the lore about Symmetra and how she became a hero?
I cant find much at all.
peak escarp
not much
she's an architech, which is a Vishkar agent capable of manipulating hard light structures
she was picked by Vishkar because she seemed to be a natural at it
and she uses dancing forms rather than procedural techniques
her hero bio has the most information
worthy rose
What im more curious about is her in game dialogue
She obviously talks with others, but other than Winston. What other connections to Overwatch does she have.
What was her big trigger.
peak escarp
she has positive interactions with Hanzo and Moira
urban folio
So doom is the leader and most powerful
peak escarp
they seem to get along
urban folio
But winston defeats him 1vs1
peak escarp
Symmetra is most hostile with Lucio (he stole his tech from her company) and Torbjorn (difference of aesthetic?)
worthy rose
Moira is the brains, Doom is the Brawns
Reaper is the leader
peak escarp
Reaper is not the leader
urban folio
But winston is better than all of them in those aspects?
Smarter stronger and a better leader
worthy rose
True @peak escarp that makes sense and i was kidding about reaper lol
peak escarp
yes, Winston defeated Doomfist
but Winston is not Talon, so he wouldn't take over leadership
worthy rose
I thought you were talking about the leader or blackwatch?
urban folio
Damn imagine an evil winston
worthy rose
His ult lol
peak escarp
that would be terrifying
urban folio
Norbjorn
peak escarp
I'd like more heroes that aren't European/North American
more from South America, or Asia that isn't Japan/China
worthy rose
A hero from madagascar
urban folio
I agree let’s have some heroes from more discrete places
Actually wouldn’t that be bad since less people are from those places hehe
peak escarp
it would be more interesting
and we'd get more exposure to different culture/mythology through them
worthy rose
Oh
I know
A hero from the galalalalapinos
Galapagos
Big turtle island
Jalapeno islands
Jk
limpid agate
What other connections to Overwatch does she have
None @worthy rose
Symmetra has never canonically met another hero. Not even Lucio, as far as we know
They only know of each other
And she is wholly unrelated to the organization
Her only tie to the main two organizations is
Her boss is on the Talon council of leaders
And she doesnt know
peak escarp
to make the world a better place
more orderly, less chaotic
and she has been told that Vishkar/Sanjay are trying to do that
even though they may have to hurt people to achieve it
worthy rose
What buildings has she built or is she known for?
limpid agate
Rio
How much she did we havent seen
But we did see her infiltrate a building
And we know she can build whole systems "in the blink of an eye"
dense maple
evil winston? ya uh talon would win if winston was on their side
like legit no doubt about it
overwatch is fucked if he joined them
hes debatably the most op person in lore
worthy rose
Dva bae tho
valid shell
@worthy rose ?
peak escarp
why would she be? she's a pacifist who doesn't like fighting
dense maple
if mercy lost her pacifism and strict morals, she could technically create medical technology that would make her the most op in lore
limpid agate
She's a combat medic pacifist.
dense maple
but real lore-wise, absolutely not
think of her as the highest potential but the lowest actuality
worthy rose
Wait im dumb, didnt winston build mercy's equipment?
limpid agate
No
dense maple
nah
limpid agate
Winston made Winston's and Tracer's gear.
dense maple
winston built tracer's chrono-accelerator that allows her to stay in one timeline
peak escarp
Mercy designed it, Torbjorn helped her build it
worthy rose
Oh okay
That is super cool
Winston defeated the doomfist before this one by himself?
timid eagle
Yep, the current Doomfist was defeated by Winston.
worthy rose
Who defeated the one before
peak escarp
Akande defeated Akinjide
limpid agate
ANd took his gauntlet
peak escarp
don't be sorry
worthy rose
I love learning the lore
peak escarp
questions are what we're here for
limpid agate
This is the right place to ask
dense maple
didnt winston defeat one of the prior doomfists as well? not just the immediately prior one
i mean one of the much earlier ones
peak escarp
there has only been 3
limpid agate
The first was gone for a long time, he was the "savior"
worthy rose
So who is the director of Overwatch? The president?
limpid agate
Probably a good guy
dense maple
weird, i saw a vid on winstons lore and they claimed that he had defeated one of the doomfists prior to the current one
peak escarp
the director of Overwatch was a civilian named Petras
limpid agate
The second was the "Scourge". He raided Numbani regularily, until our Doomfist killed him
worthy rose
Petras hmm. So not much background on him eh?
peak escarp
he was appointed as director after it was decided that Overwatch needed some civilian oversight
dense maple
usually boovia has info on ppl so when they say just some guy id assume theres not much lore on them
or theyre not very important
feral lintel
there's a map called petra, but that might just be an unintended coincidence
dense maple
coinkydink
peak escarp
Director Petras was probably named after Bill Petras, one of the game devs
peak escarp
maybe he was good at punching
limpid agate
And before you ask why
I dont know enough about Swahili names, but its worth mentioning a lot of names with literal translations like this probably make sense in their own culture.
Like Sitting Bull
urban folio
What’s sitting Bull a reference of
limpid agate
subtle moss
Probably makes as much sense as people in English having flower names, colour names, stone names, etc.
buoyant topaz
Swahili sounds like such a beautiful language
frank moat
@dense maple @limpid agate What happened was the first doomfist died somehow, the second took the gauntlet and then was killed by his apprentice Akande, who was defeated twice on separate occasions by Winston. One of which is in the video (I would say the second time)
Also the gauntlet was called the Doomfist gauntlet and I think it may have been around before him in which case he would have taken its name. If he built it he would have named it after him
dense maple
ohh, thats what confused me
he was defeated by winston but not like permanently defeated
smoky delta
A small piece of lore (if that's what you want to call it) is how you can tell what characters know mercy closely by how they address her
Such as brigette and genji calling her Angela while tracer and moira call her Dr Ziegler
smoky delta
It just appears alot of the characters who know her personally or more call her Angela more often
I think there's s voice line where moira calls her by her name but she's antagonizing her
I also find the voice line where brigette remarks how weird it is to see her in her armor cute
I feel like it hints that torb and mercy have hung out outside of over watch a decent bit
I like the little bits of lore that like it stuff that's a really minor detail
feral lintel
mercy is a family friend of torb's, actually. she visited him in the hospital when he lost his arm, i think
regal coyote
yes mercy and torb family is clsoe
so she is clsoe to the nest of torblings and grand torblings as well as our beloved hetpack cat.
also she is close to genji cause of you-know-what. pretty sure chu wanted it sort of
how do winston address her anyways
feral lintel
it would be kinda funny if brig is the only tall one of torb's kids and the rest are torb sized
smoky delta
That would be hilarious
I like how people forget mercy is Swedish
Like, she has the flag on her armor
And I beleive her bio says she is Swedish
Not German
She even has a Swedish flag skin for the summer games
feral lintel
mercy is swiss, not swedish
feral lintel
no worries, lol
but i can see where the confusion comes from, since mercy mostly speaks german german and not swiss german
smoky delta
Yeah, she speaks a little swiss German but not much
I think there's just s few words she says
It's just funny when I have her flag skin equipped and their like nah she's German as I look st them
Does this look like the German flag to you
Also all the people correcting how brigette is pronounced
Wait of that Christmas comic has torbs grand kids then like maybe some of his kids are torb sized while other aren't
Also it makes me wonder how many the ikea gnome has
feral lintel
brigitte was originally supposed to be torb's oldest child, and his grandkids were supposed to be his kids
but that was retconned and now she's his youngest child
smoky delta
Yes she is his youngest
Which I mean I prefer her being the youngest because they are acknowledging torb is old
But also lemme see their other kids I wanna know
feral lintel
they're probably not relevant enough to the story to be shown
smoky delta
I wanna know which one turned out exactly like Reinhardt
Like personality and all
Yeah sadly
Mercy probably baby sat for them tbh
Since like she was said some where to be in medical school when over watch started
So she probably baby sat at some point
I'd imagine she would be s good baby sitter
feral lintel
i doubt people have a lot of time for their personal lives while they're in medical school
buoyant topaz
Is McCree killed off or something
feral lintel
no? where did you hear that?
smoky delta
No, he's like hobo vigilante
buoyant topaz
I can't remember which game killed its character off even tho he was available online. Probably ow but i may be very wrong
feral lintel
none of the playable characters in OW have been killed off
smoky delta
They said they might later on but not now
Well they said if they did it wouldn't effect playability
regal coyote
would be lvoely if brig had a sister that looks exactly liek rein, including the ncie hair (minus the beard)
imagine that person and zarya meet
they promise they will NEVER disable a cahracter playability permanently due to death in lore
smoky delta
I mean torbs wife is blonde so it's possible
feral lintel
if both torb and ingrid are blond, where did brig get brown hair from?
smoky delta
Ingrid has dirty blonde hair so it's possible one of them has a brunette trait
feral lintel
or i guess brig dyeing her hair is a possibility
smoky delta
Or ingrid dyes her hair
smoky delta
Yeah I think it would be most likely to be her mom dying hers as older woman dye their hair alot
regal coyote
humans dye their hair lots,e sp females
smoky delta
Also torb could dye his, that would be hilarious
I'm glad someone else questions why brig does not look like torbs kid
buoyant topaz
torb gon cry
smoky delta
I feel if they killed anyone off it would be reaper or soldier
buoyant topaz
He should install windows 10 into bastion if he knows what's good for them
feral lintel
i feel like reaper's more likely. he doesn't really add much to the story aside from being a generic villain
at least the others have motivations for what they do
smoky delta
It would be a generic one is soldier died
buoyant topaz
What is Dvas birthdate though?
feral lintel
no clue
smoky delta
Reaper would always raise the question of he could be alive or they could do the trope of "you didn't see him die so he could be alive"
buoyant topaz
Does overwatch occur in 2016 or is it real time or is it in the future
smoky delta
Future
feral lintel
in the future
buoyant topaz
Fyoochur
smoky delta
Rein was born in our time I think?
regal coyote
win10 like system would be shit for bastion
smoky delta
I think last year?
feral lintel
google says overwatch takes place in the 2070's
regal coyote
imagine having to restart due to updates mid mission. ggez
buoyant topaz
If it was real time, then dva would be 21 this year
regal coyote
we all are
feral lintel
were you born last year?
regal coyote
by the time ow happens, we would be useless old pieces of shits, if not dead