she believes she's doing good
#lore-discussion
iron plume
“Believes they’re doing good” doesn’t mean they aren’t a villain, it just means they’re not moustache-twirlingly evil
That said, even with Symmetra believing Vishkar does good we are seeing that crack in her comic
gusty fjord
Admittedly
The best villains
are the ones who believe they're doing the right thing
Because no one things they're doing something bad afterall.
subtle moss
'Unbelievable paragon of good angel lady' seems more at home in a fantasy more than it does a sci-fi. The brightest lights cast the darkest shadows, or elsewise have the darkest shadows to try and burn away. I guess the RP people can't have Mercy as anything other than a perfect goddess, though.
iron plume
...
no one is saying she's perfect
but the "goody two shoes is secretly eeeevil" is even shittier writing than "goody two shoes is absolutely flawless"
subtle moss
She doesn't have to be secretly moustache-twirlingly evil doing everything for the lulz
subtle moss
Yeah, got it, she's perfect.
iron plume
it's a shitpost because you disagree with actual lore
and then say nothing can convince you otherwise
your AU headcanons are not a topic for this channel
subtle moss
The hell do you mean 'disagrees with actual lore'
I'm not saying she made Reaper.
Get all those theories out of your head and stop projecting them onto me.
All I'm saying is that Mercy should have either some sort of messiah complex or elsewise has flaws we might have yet to see rather than being a perfectly perfect pure pureness of purity angel lady.
As things stand it's perfectly reasonable we even end up with some BatmanVSuperman type deal where she takes it too far (believing she's doing good, of course). But that's 'fanfiction'.
iron plume
we know she has flaws
just because you refuse to actually explore the character doesn't mean she doesn't
having flaws doesn't make a character evil
it makes them a character
subtle moss
And Mercy's flaws should have her teetering on the edge.
iron plume
no they shouldn't
long ermine
shit heating up in the lore room
terse oak
If anything, saying that Mercy should be on the edge is projecting your own headcanon
There's no evidence to suggest that and it's speculation
long ermine
she could be the biggest bitch in the world for what we know
terse oak
yeah but there's nothing canonically that suggests that
This channel isn't for speculation beyond reasonable levels
long ermine
I know, I was saying that assuming she should be on the edge is just as feasible as saying shes the biggest bitch
long ermine
do we have any speculation on who the next hero will be
lunar sonnet
iron plume
you're talking about leaks
speculation is always possible unless the character is completely out of the blue
long ermine
there's always speculation tho. I think the only complete curveballs have been Brig and Orisa
iron plume
Hammond being a hamster was a surprise, but the fact that it's Hammond and from the colony wasn't
Brig was absolutely not a curveball
long ermine
she was and she wasnt
iron plume
she had a lot of hype after Honor and Glory
long ermine
she was already in the lore
but that was a while ago and there was no other signs pointing to beinganything other than a backround character
like symms buddy in her comic
iron plume
Brig was in two lore pieces at that point and was massively fleshed out between the first and the second
she was one of the top speculation candidates
long ermine
I'd forgotten about the short fair
iron plume
the gameplay specifics were a surprise with her being a second support in a row
but Brititte being the hero wasn't
long ermine
so Orisa was the only one?
wind pond
Sorta. I wasn’t around at the time, but I thought Ana was a huge surprise since sombra was already getting hyped up.
long ermine
nah ana wasnt a surprise
people were just expecting sombra
but ana was already in the lore
and had been teased
they just thought ana WAS sombra
iron plume
yeah that was a... strange time
long ermine
the shrike skin was "the sombra skin" for a long time
dense maple
@subtle moss mercys flaw is different than what youre thinking of
she is an incredible-minded prodigy with extreme success in medical technology, bringing the likes of moira to copy her technology and use it for harmful purposes
however, she is a complete pacifist, which is somewhat her flaw
because she cant advance in her medical technology as much as she's actually capable of since she's limiting it to solely beneficial technology
and her technology is often stolen and used in bad ways
i.e. ana's gun, reaper, moira's tech
she's not evil, but her pacifism is also her weakness
iron plume
Her weakness isn't her pacifism, at least not yet
it will be if they show her to be too stubborn because of her principles
for example not joining new overwatch out of dislike for military organizations, even if they prove themselves to be better good guys than the original org
dense maple
it seems like it since she refuses to use her technology for harmful purposes, even though it could prove incredibly beneficial when needed
iron plume
plus I'd argue weakness and flaw aren't the same thing
Her weakness is blaming herself for Moira's developments and ultimately the fallout in Overwatch
dense maple
i think her pacifism works in a way where she is willing to keep people alive even if they are fighting and killing others in war, but refuses to participate in the fighting herself unless its necessary and refuses to have her technology used for that stuff
iron plume
That's not about pacifism
iron plume
she's also a field medic
there's no reason for her to go out in a coat
Combat Medic Ziegler is likely the closest you'll see to that
dense maple
:(
errant void
Mercy was the head of medical research in Overwatch, and was a part of researching applied nanobiology before her time in Overwatch. There are plenty of skins that are lore based that make no sense for a combat setting, I think it would be cool to see a research Mercy skin
subtle moss
If that ends up being where it goes I only hope it's presented as the vaguely stupid somewhat questionable decision it is, rather than the 'her only flaw is that she's so beautiful people get jealous and don't like her' type of situation that it has the potential to be.
Can't remember the exact example but you get the gist.
iron plume
I don't but I don't think I need to
subtle moss
The mary sue trope where her 'negative' trait is actually something positive.
regal coyote
@dense maple I dont think her tech is used in bad ways, she is just stubbonly pacifist and too moral for what it is. But yes she is smart and a great person other than that/
I mean Ana's gun is not bad
it is a versitile weapon and support tool in the right hands as we can see.
And in the hands of ana it is great.
iron plume
moira's drain isn't this tech being used in bad ways?
regal coyote
Also, evil genius aside, the healing part of moira's skill is indeed quite impressive.
but yes her use of the tech is questionable at best
My point is, the two is a mirror opposite int erms of research.
Mercy is too stuck up and restrictive... missing out lots of otherwise great opportinity to do ncie good things even
Moira is, well, moira.
errant void
Ana's use of the biotic technology against enemies is extremely similar to the use of Moira's biotic grasp. They both drain enemy health over a quick period of time, and are able to distinguish between enemies and teammates. Maybe it's just coincidence, but seeing as Moira reversed Mercy's tech, one or the other may have drawn the idea from the other. Unless there is a timeline that I am unaware of involving the creation of this tech
iron plume
the technology in lore doesn't distinguish anyone
Ana has dwo different kinds of darts and moira uses separate weapons
sturdy forum
i love jack morrison
dense maple
to be honest, lore-wise ana would have the most powerful heal out of the supports because her form of mercy's healing technology is shot in darts
this means that the healing stuff is sent straight to the bloodstream, which is the fastest possible way to administer something
long ermine
in terms of lore it'd be pretty dumb for her darts to go straight into bloodstream
that would be very precise
peak escarp
it would be like an epipen - delivered straight into a muscle, where it can be dispersed quickly
frosty shell
Mercy's method of healing would probably be pretty fast for external injuries
Question - In-lore does Mercy's healing only heal one part of the body, or all at once?
limpid agate
Weve only seen it used to make Soldier's pain go away
dense field
if mercy's res heals wounds why doesn't ana have her eye back, junkrat his leg etc in game 🤔
limpid agate
A: Gameplay != Lore
B: Mercy has a voiceline about that with Ana
She can treat her eye
But Ana doesnt want to get it replaced
peak escarp
Mercy can't actually res people
Not any more than a doctor can resuscitate someone when their heart stops, at least
peak escarp
Ana's eye was cybernetic before Widowmaker shot it out
I wonder how/why she lost her eye originally
worthy rose
Why didn't ana just get another cybernetic eye 🤔
peak escarp
Ana keeps her eye as-is to remind her of her failure
frosty shell
I'm guessing Ana got a bionic eye to become a better sniper
When did Mercy make Soldier's pain go away?
frosty shell
That doesn't really count in my book
I was wondering about Mercy's healing stream
Ana's darts are most likely hypodermic
timid eagle
Then there’s Lucio.
“No worries dawg, I’ll repair that hole in your chest with some tasty jams!”
limpid agate
Lucio can't heal
valid shell
As far as we know at this moment.
limpid agate
Its the same as Brigitte's inspire or Zenyatta's Harmony
regal coyote
we do not know what lucio can do other than skate really, and oh he lay down sick beats.
limpid agate
Its symbolic healing, not literal
While Ana/Moira/Mercy/Soldier all use Mercy's Biotic tech
valid shell
Blizzard might end up dropping that his father's sonic tech can stimulate a body's natural healing or some stupid shit, but atm, his healing is noncanon.
regal coyote
on Ana's rifle, judging from moira being able to kill with stream alone, we can assume streaming the nano is quite effective. so mercy's beam must be quite effective
limpid agate
Ana was never shown to use her rifle offensively on a human
Only healing Jack
Or shooting Reaper to no effect
regal coyote
well it is at the least a rifle so it can at least do normal rifle things like shooting darts and bullets
limpid agate
Its only been shown to heal in Old Soldiers
And that was a glorified painkiller
We dont know the power of her healing
regal coyote
i would say all we can deduce is that her rifle is a selective chemical delivery system
and that she has access to chemicals, and nano stuff
same goes with 76's healing sodacan
long ermine
We can assume that if she was trying to shoot reaper, it can also damage
subtle moss
It's a shame there isn't really any angle left for a 'good guy Reaper' twist left in the story.
long ermine
not really a shame imo
frosty shell
That would be kind of a cheap twist
subtle moss
How would it be cheap?
subtle moss
That's what I meant by 'isn't really any angle'.
The groundwork hasn't been laid for it, and he's clearly done pretty much unjustifiable stuff.
Is Symmetra actually confirmed as autistic or is that just something random on the wiki?
Oh, confirmed by Jeff.
hasty surge
'good guy Reaper'? you mean he was actually a helping the good guys along?
iron plume
there was a fairly popular theory that reaper is a double agent
hasty surge
well the lore hasn't gave us a reason for reaper's sudden change
subtle moss
Essentially yeah, that's what I was meaning.
But it seems like he's done a bit too much questionable crap for that to be very likely without seeming forced, without veeeerrry good writers.
calm shuttle
How are can there be multiple of the same hero in one game?
iron plume
in-game events aren't canon
nova elbow
I suppose they could do it if it turned out Overwatch really were the evil ones
peak escarp
that would be a horrible plot twist
subtle moss
It seems like anyone would hate any sort of twist or subversion of expectations whatsoever.
iron plume
no, people would hate a twist that's made for no other reason than to go "what a twist", isn't set up in any manner whatsoever nor makes for an actually interesting story
so, something like "overwatch was secretly evil all along"
peak escarp
a twist like that would be fine if the seeds for it were planted long beforehand - give us declassified files, redacted reports, etc to show the shady things Overwatch was actually doing
like they did with the Venice Incident report for Blackwatch
iron plume
We do have that though, but it works better within the context of Overwatch
in that it's not a perfect organization and they've done questionable things
peak escarp
but to just suddenly flip and say "Overwatch are the villains and Talon was trying to stop them all along" is bad writing
iron plume
which makes that twist all the worse
because it's a less interesting story than one that has good intentions but fails sometimes
because of human nature, or politics, or having to compromise
peak escarp
Overwatch already had its dark side, with Blackwatch
there's no need for the whole organization to be evil
iron plume
The main org still went to London against direct instructions of British government
"the dark side" is not limited to blackwatch
regal coyote
cause the british government is a beuralcretic cunt
iron plume
but it doesn't make them evil, it makes it an organization with flaws
regal coyote
they deserve it
i would not say the overwatch decision being evil, it is strongarm for sure
iron plume
which is more interesting than "dae good guys evul"
regal coyote
but it politics
there is no good politician
99% of politician are assholes, though soem with a bit of better vision.
to hold power and get things going they ahve to do lots of grey stuff, willingly or not
regal coyote
^
iron plume
...
peak escarp
that's just disobedient
iron plume
a paramilitary organization being disobedient of civil government
and no it doesn't make them evil
as I actually said
but it does make them a flawed organization
peak escarp
sorry, I was kinda skimming
iron plume
rather than perfect good guys
peak escarp
but every group is going to be flawed somehow
iron plume
in fiction, often not
peak escarp
only if they're poorly written
iron plume
or set up for the 'secretly evil' twist
peak escarp
well written fictional groups will have flaws because it's realistic
people are flawed, so any groups will be flawed
even real-world groups have flaws
iron plume
sigh
iron plume
because it's a less interesting story than one that has good intentions but fails sometimes
because of human nature, or politics, or having to compromise```Except human nature already lends itself to corruption.
I'm not talking about a 'Talon are secretly the good guys sort of twist', that would be dumb as hell. I'm talking about Reyes specifically.
I never even mentioned Overwatch being evil, and even if it was it wouldn't be as a whole.
peak escarp
it's a popular theory that Reaper is a double agent, and he's taking down Talon from the inside or something
but there's nothing in the lore to suggest that
subtle moss
There's nothing in the lore to suggest much of much.
peak escarp
it's all based on fan's like for Reyes and them wanting him to turn out to be a good guy
subtle moss
People likely just find it more interesting and compelling for the guy with the design and voice that screams 'HEY LOOK AT ME I'M AN EVIL ASSHOLE THAT DOES EVIL THINGS BECAUSE EVUL' to not actually be the evil asshole.
valid shell
Usually the same fans who draw him with a fashionable undercut and shark?? teeth????
subtle moss
At the very least I hope he has good motivations.
Let me be honest though, it's potentially perfectly in line with his character to be trying to take down Talon from the inside.
Or at least be intending to.
peak escarp
just like how people want the character with the design that screams purity and virtue to actually be the most evil person?
subtle moss
Not under any orders, but because he wants to.
Not the most evil, an evil. But yes.
People like irony.
How do you think the Darth Jar Jar theory got so popular?
subtle moss
(Outside of being an amazing twist saving one of the most hated characters in existence while also having fairly compelling evidence to suggest its plausibility)
peak escarp
if we aren't shown that Reaper is a double agent, or Mercy is secretly evil, then it shouldn't even be discussed
subtle moss
So speculation = not allowed?
peak escarp
speculation is what we're here for
subtle moss
Mercy is one thing but Reaper being a double agent is actually plausible.
peak escarp
but speculation is usually built on evidence and facts
subtle moss
Not an 'official' one, just Reyes doing Reyes stuff.
peak escarp
not just "I think this because it's more interesting"
Reaper says he has been eliminating former Overwatch agents based off the information he pulled from the Overwatch server
we are not given any reason to doubt this
subtle moss
But we still don't have any real idea as to his actual motivation as far as I'm aware. I think part of the other reason is that 'I'm mad at Jack!" (which it might end up boiling down to) is basically a Broly level reason.
peak escarp
no, we haven't really been given his motivation, aside from this:
it's still not clear what he means by this
is "He" Jack?
cunning ledge
almost definitely?
peak escarp
but how could Jack be responsible for him becoming Reaper?
unless he means in a more indirect, "I was driven to seek more power because I wanted to surpass Jack" sort of way
cunning ledge
tangentially, by making decisions that "forced" gabe down the path maybe
I mean at this point he's not very rational right
peak escarp
true
cunning ledge
could mean lots of things
peak escarp
They is obviously Overwatch
he feels abandoned by Overwatch - they probably didn't come looking for him when no body was found in the rubble
they just assumed Reyes and Jack were dead without ever finding a body
which seems really bad, but Overwatch was already on the verge of being shut down, so they probably didn't have the resources to fully investigate
subtle moss
Yeah but then why the hell is he seemingly hellbent on killing Jack
since they didn't look for Jack either
peak escarp
we were told that the Swiss HQ explosion was partially caused by a fight between Jack and Reyes
so the blame could come from that too
unlike Reaper, Soldier doesn't blame Overwatch for failing to find him, and he doesn't seem to hold a grudge against his old friend
he just wants vengeance on whoever blew up the base
subtle moss
gotta be Junkrat
peak escarp
. . .
grizzled obsidian
i think it’d be cool if it got to a point where everyone thought he was gonna switch sides but then doesn’t and kills everyone
subtle moss
What, jokes not allowed either?
grizzled obsidian
or something to that effect
peak escarp
it was a bad joke
grizzled obsidian
ikr
but it would be like a sort of moral
like people don’t change
or something like that
subtle moss
No one ever likes those.
grizzled obsidian
one of them has to kill the other eventually (reaper and soldier)
subtle moss
Well, not really.
Reaper can just sorta choose not to.
Soldier's not hunting him, apparently.
grizzled obsidian
do you think that phara would be the the sort of “main character” if they were to ever make it a traditional story
subtle moss
Hrm, probably. McCree maybe. Could be multi-PoV like ASOIAF.
They could pull a fast one and make it Winston.
peak escarp
Tracer seems more likely
subtle moss
Tracer?
peak escarp
a few of the stories are told partially from her perspective - Reflections, Alive, Uprising (moreso the in-game event than the comic), the cinematic trailer
she's also the cover girl for the game
if they were to focus on one hero as the main character, I think it would be Tracer
iron plume
but we're talking about presenting the existing story from someone's perspective, not another more traditional one
anyway it's kind of a moot point because it relies on the ensemble
peak escarp
you couldn't show the existing story from a single character's perspective, because there isn't one character who was involved in every part of the story
Reaper is involved in a lot of it, but not everything
same with Tracer and Winston
peak escarp
multi-PoV is what we have now
frosty shell
It's possible that Morrison and Reyes deliberately decided to fake their deaths
iron plume
You wouldn't be able to tell the overwatch story with one character but for an overwatch story Soldier would be the closest to a traditional story protagonist
and you'd be able to tell the rise and fall of overwatch in "real time" instead of basically an exposition dump
frosty shell
I believe Chu said somewhere the world was Overwatch's protagonist
iron plume
you have the big crisis, the golden age, the disruption of morals, the fall of overwatch, the vigilantism and winston's recall happening in the background
as a sequel hook
iron plume
francis
peak escarp
John Frances Morrison
subtle moss
That looks like an AS to me not an AN
peak escarp
Frasces?
peak escarp
I mean Francis
subtle moss
Probably not EE though.
Four letter looks like an S to me.
What if instead of F?AS it was MAS?
peak escarp
that's a very thick M
subtle moss
Like, are we imagining this is some relation of Jack's?
peak escarp
this is a Soldier skin
subtle moss
If I knew what font they were using I could just shrink down an example tbh
peak escarp
this is Jack
peak escarp
Jack is a diminutive for John
subtle moss
Ah, so John's his actually name?
peak escarp
so his first name could actually be John and he is just called Jack
or his name could actually be Jack
the text is blurry enough that it could be either
subtle moss
If they'd just used a thinner font...
frosty shell
looks like John to me
subtle moss
Maseca isn't a middle name is it?
subtle moss
To be honest I don't think we can really figure it out without either someone that knows how to properly process this stuff in photoshop (if it can even be done) or official thing
I can't even see the top one as Morrison.
There's no position for a RR
frosty shell
I downloaded image deblurring software to try and clean up the blurry D. Va bag
subtle moss
Did it work?
peak escarp
the post I found that on did their best to write in what they thought the words are
they couldn't tell if the blood type was negative or positive
you can see the same layout of information on Reaper's Soldier: 24 skin
except his is much clearer
valid shell
Since it's a newer skin.
subtle moss
Theoretically I could take the Reaper tag
and compress it
to compare for letters
but that'd be waaaay too much effort
and unreliable anyway
peak escarp
interesting observation: AB Negative (Reyes's blood type) is a universal plasma donor
subtle moss
If that is Morrison at the top the lighting isn't consistent between the Rs.
Jack's is probably O Positive then
It wouldn't be surprising to make his opposite.
Also, universal plasma donor is AB Positive.
peak escarp
thanks for the correction
subtle moss
Jack's would be O Negative, oops.
If that were the case.
But I don't think it'd be hard of a stretch to say his is probably the exact opposite of Reyes'
peak escarp
if Jack is O-, he could donate blood to Reyes
subtle moss
Blood cells specifically.
peak escarp
if he's O+, neither of them is compatible
subtle moss
Technically as far as I'm aware AB Negative can actually be a universal donor for plasma if it's never been exposed to the Rh factor before, because those antibodies aren;'t produced until that time. (The A and B antibodies are always present.)
peak escarp
neat
I think they chose those blood types intentionally
to further push them as opposites of each other
AB- vs. O+
city boy vs. country kid
atheist vs. catholic
dark hair, dark skin vs. light hair, light skin
limpid agate
What is this about blood type?
valid shell
Scroll up my dude.
limpid agate
On the dogtags?
peak escarp
yeah
peak escarp
it's from his Night Ops: 76 skin
very blurry and compressed
if you scroll up farther you can see it without the words written in
frosty shell
Maybe you can try the Commando: 76 skin?
peak escarp
they're probably both the same
peak escarp
that's even worse
peak escarp
I wonder if any other heroes have middle names
they're mostly used in English-speaking countries though, so the most likely candidates to have middle names are McCree, Moira and Tracer
Genji, Hanzo and Mei are unlikely, since China and Japan don't use middle names
valid shell
If Pharah actually did spend some significant time in Canada, she might have taken up going by Fareeha Ana Amari.
Especially if she thought her mom was dead.
iron plume
While not quite a middle name, Zarya likely has a patronymic
peak escarp
Zaryanova is pretty close to the -ovna ending on typical patonymics
regal coyote
@peak escarp asians, east asians may have similar things too
westernized asians have an english name, which may or maynot be used as middle name, or the other way round, should they be included in the official naming
old traditions are that usually a guy would be given name upon mature name, and that should be the one used by most public.
as for japan, traditional family males would recieve a sort of warrior name
iron plume
-ov(a) is a common surname ending
but it's still a surname and people with it still have a patronymic
pure kernel
Apparently you guys are also active here huh
iron plume
plus there isn't really a male name that would fit that, which patronymics by their nature require
peak escarp
ah
pure kernel
Ah
amber compass
That was actually cool to read
frosty shell
Many Russians have middle names indicating their fathers
For instance, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
iron plume
...that's what a patronymic is
pastel viper
I just pissed myself and loved it
pearl blade
No shitposting @pastel viper
native kayak
Do Moira or Sombra exhibit any signs of possibly being sociopaths
latent river
Sombra just likes being annoying. From what I can see she’s far from being sociopathic.
Moira i don’t think so either, because she cares about humanity even if she’s gone to extreme lengths and even though she can be cold and calculating
valid shell
Sombra doesn't seem to have any genuine personal relationships, and even though she sees Reaper and Widowmaker (and Volskaya) as her "friends", she does so in lording information over them, like calling Reaper 'Gabe' or having photos of Volskaya dealing with Omnics.
She doesn't seem to have anything on Widowmaker, but Widow has threatened her.
limpid agate
I dont imagine she has any secrets
Other than Amelie Lacroix, but I dont think she cares much on that either
valid shell
Which is likely why she's in a position to make threats.
Because Sombra has nothing on her, or nothing she cares about.
cedar moon
Does Sombra not have information on a character
peak escarp
she had to look up who McCree was
or so it seems
he wasn't on her web originally, but he does appear on the computer screens (along with Ana unmasked) in her base on Castillo
manic fern
@Doctor_six
I was reading about the discussion on blood types and I think there's a mistake. Unless I misunderstood, from what I know the universal blood type donor is 0- because it's missing both the antigens A and B and the rh factor. Whereas the AB+ type is the universal receiver, because it has everything, so whatever blood you transfer won't create a reaction in the system
manic fern
👍🏻
peak escarp
also I'm hoping to get a few more middle names out of Chu while he's on the topic
let's see if he answers
manic fern
Nice , keep chasing answers
peak escarp
he did say "all you have to do is ask"
but I'm sure that only applies to trivial information
like middle names or favourite drinks
feral lintel
stuff like this makes me wonder what the writers do all day at blizzard
iron plume
favorite drink, blood type, zodiac sign
aka the dating sim fodder info
feral lintel
like... do the overwatch writers just work on blizzard's other games?
iron plume
Chu doesn't iirc, let me check some shorts/comics writers
from a quick look at IMDb, some of them work on Overwatch and Warcraft shorts
Andrew Robinson does non-blizzard stuff in parallel
someone else does too
So it seems like staff writers work on multiple bliz projects and they also have hired people for additional works
valid shell
Nesskian is currently posting concept art for augmented athletes that could totally fit in Overwatch.
clear coral
When i first saw this i thought it was a mix of Torbjörn and Brigitte 😂😂
regal coyote
also a rather visible genitah i woud say.
I actually wonder if there is any augmented sports league
In a way it would make sense, as things would be more intense.
cunning ledge
Gah I love nesskian’s art style
trail axle
Love the art. Daddy af 😩💦
valid shell
Gross.
regal coyote
daddy dom dododododododo. with that in mind, maybe not for ow
peak escarp
it's not Overwatch related, but you should check the original post
for something that is Overwatch related, apparently in 1959 a military moon base was conceptualized to assess the feasability of building a base on the moon, although it was never greenlit and space governance soon moved out of the military's hands
its name? Project Horizon
nova elbow
iirc either slipstream or tracer is a reference to something similar
peak escarp
"Slipstream" is the name of the teleporting fighter jet she was assigned to pilot
but a slipstream is also the wake behind a moving object that moves air/water at the same speed as the object
peak escarp
I think it suits him
feral lintel
here comes the ruthless, bloodthirsty vigilante... francis
peak escarp
he doesn't go by his middle name
he doesn't even go by his first name as a vigilante
feral lintel
i know, but it's just so funny XD
peak escarp
it makes sense that his Catholic parents would have given him a middle name after a popular saint
peak escarp
his Night Ops/Commando skins have dog tags with his personal info
that's how we know his middle name (which was confirmed yesterday by Chu)
feral lintel
i see. does reaper's soldier 24 skin list his religion on the dog tags, too?
feral lintel
very interesting 😃
peak escarp
feral lintel
i can imagine that might've been another source of conflict between them
peak escarp
possibly
but I think it was just done to make them more as opposites of each other
Jack may not have been a practicing catholic
feral lintel
yeah, i doubt they'll bring up religion in overwatch aside from the fictional omnic one
timid eagle
Dark/Black Skin=evil?
native kayak
A catholic from Indiana? Lmfaoo
timid eagle
That’s a bit on the nose for being opposites.
valid shell
And we were doing so well without playing the PC card.
Let's try and go a little longer, eh?
limpid agate
Interesting that this is the first time a real religion is mentioned in Overwatch
Catholisism exists, and Jack is Catholic
quasi fern
What was mondatta like the figure head of, an ideology of some sort?
feral lintel
an omnic religion, though i don't think it has a name. its deity is called "the iris"
subtle moss
Jack is basically just Captain America
peak escarp
According to the 2014 census (on wikipedia) 18% of people in Indiana are Catholic
Not super rare, but not unheard of
Doesn't Junkrat have a rare line about believing in God? I remember people freaking out over it not too long ago
peak escarp
It's a pre-match line on Nepal
Yeah
That implies he isn't an athiest
So he has a religion, we just don't know which one
feral lintel
it could be another fictional one that originated in junkertown
i think people were freaking out because they all assumed it was a real-world religion
valid shell
@subtle moss Astute observation.
subtle moss
Does that make Reyes Tony Stark? 
cunning ledge
no, it does not
feral lintel
i don't see how reaper is similar to tony stark at all
subtle moss
To be fair, the Overwatch team did seem to follow something similar to the avengers with the eventual infighting and stuff.
iron plume
that's a basic "good guy organization" progression plot line
if we're going to start listing examples we'll be here all week
stoic eagle
lore discussion be like there's no real lore to discuss so let's discuss religion
peak escarp
We were discussing the religion of the heroes, which is lore
limpid agate
Shitposting will result in a loss of access, serious discussion strictly related to Overwatch
peak escarp
there's plenty of lore to discuss
feral lintel
https://twitter.com/ChrisMetzen/status/918667883701342213
according to chris metzen, jack is short for john
so, jack's full name is john francis morrison
terse oak
@delicate ermine Do not plug your Youtube content that isn't related to Overwatch in this server and especially don't plug anything unrelated to lore in this channel
subtle moss
I wonder if any parallels can be drawn between Reyes and Gabriel the archangel
Probably not
feral lintel
sometimes names are just names without a hidden meaning 🤷
unless there's some angelic theme with him i'm missing?
subtle moss
He's probably one of the most supernatural characters
And in a way he's sort of a counterpart to Mercy? Then again Moira might be more accurate for that
feral lintel
not really. he's pretty explicitly jack's counterpart
worthy rose
jack is based on metzen's character and it's a homage to him
solid atlas
I missed some updates I'm sure but... who the hell are those people? 😂
feral lintel
solid atlas
Jack and metzen
feral lintel
jack morrison is soldier 76's name
solid atlas
Oh
feral lintel
chris metzen is the guy who came up with soldier 76 in the first place, long before overwatch was a thing
iron plume
You know it's an old school story when the dystopian future is 8 years ago
worthy rose
it's from 1998
iron plume
yeah
peak escarp
is Moira a medical doctor?
a lot of people seem to be under the impression that she is
white cobalt
I think she is more a scientist than a medical doctor
dense estuary
I do not think shes an MD but probably has some kind of PHD(s)
(being the game is from here in the USA, She may not get called Doctor even with PhDs as traditionally outside of the academic setting only MDs and DMDs get called "Doctor" here. *exceptions exist )
She does use technologies based on what Mercy uses to heal, And If I remember right a part of why Moira and Mercy do not exactly get along is Moira wanted to push that technology much much beyond healing people as a much faster pace using questionable testing ethics.
peak escarp
but in terms of what she did for Reyes
dense estuary
I suspect that was not fully intentional to go as far as it did.
peak escarp
its more along the lines of genetic therapy than actual medicine
dense estuary
Reyes is interesting and its possible the alterations he had from the super soldier program caused issues with the stuff Moira put in him. Unforseen incompatibilities or something.
frosty shell
But I assume the smoke powers took more than genetic therapy
peak escarp
it would be nice to get specific details on what degrees the heroes hold
and maybe where they got them
maybe some of the other heroes have undergraduate degrees
peak escarp
Pharah, Hanzo, Doomfist, Widowmaker are all good options for heroes with degrees
I could see Akande with a business degree
frosty shell
Tracer probably doesn't
peak escarp
her backstory doesn't have room for her to have gone to college
unless she went post-fall
dense estuary
she might have a BS in something depending on if the RAF required degrees for pilots.
frosty shell
she was ca. 17-18 when she became a pilot
peak escarp
forgot about her
dense estuary
She was educated by Vishkar, but considering her job she probably if anything has a degree in engineering
peak escarp
Vishkar probably had their own programs though
dense estuary
structural engineering if one had to get specific
peak escarp
might be the equivalent of a degree
frosty shell
Torb probably had a degree
dense estuary
Genji maybe he was a bit of a playboy
peak escarp
Junkrat, McCree, Roadhog maybe (although things didn't go to shit until later in his life)
I could see Genji flunking out
dense estuary
Junkrat maybe not college, But he clearly knows a lot about demolitions
peak escarp
he'd be more self taught
learn from experience
he's another younger hero - the omnium blew when he was a kid
D.va's also too young to have higher education, although MEKA might be providing some
dense estuary
being the army it probably does have programs
feral lintel
i doubt they have a lot of schools (if any at all) in junkertown
frosty shell
Sombra was probably self-taught
dense estuary
Self taught and maybe some online education
considering how connected the OW world is its possible there is a lot of online based learning
feral lintel
do you think lucio went to college?
peak escarp
for his music he's probably self taught
dense estuary
Unknown, but he seems to have been able to repurpose the Vishkar stuff he snagged
peak escarp
and he came from a poorer area, so he might not have had the money
dense estuary
for all we know college is free in the OW setting for those who want it.
frosty shell
likely, he was a good scientist
peak escarp
good point
frosty shell
but he may've been screwed over regarding his tech
peak escarp
the situation with Lucio's father seems like an intellectual property rights dispute - if an employee in a company invents something for a company, who holds the rights to it?
young raptor
that stuff should be settled in the contract
peak escarp
Lucio thinks his dad should get the rights, but Vishkar (and the law, it seems) side with the company
dense estuary
Typically if you invent something for a company it belongs to the company unless otherwise stated by contract
dense estuary
(also should watch out for contracts if you work in R&D as sometimes companies can even claim stuff invented off the clock at home, This has happened in reality with companies marginally less evil than Vishkar )
feral lintel
we don't know enough about laws in the overwatch universe to say either way
peak escarp
so Lucio doesn't understand IP rights
but that's not really an indication of education level
most people don't know intellectual property rights
feral lintel
even if he's aware, he probably considers it a necessary "evil"
dense estuary
well honestly also Vishkar is a megacorp, Ask any indie artist in reality how hard it is to fight a major media firm that steals their IP. They can cover you in lawyers for years.
I bet even if he tried to get the patents his father may have created Vishkar could hold that up in appeals for decades with their near bottomless checkbook
frosty shell
brigitte probably went to college
novel parcel
gulag all vishkar executives?
dense estuary
We also forget Sanjay, I would not at all be shocked if he has had folks wacked via Talon to save Vishkar legal costs.
peak escarp
Brigitte seems like she was mostly taught by Torbjorn
feral lintel
i feel like brigitte would have left home to follow reinhardt around as soon as she could
dense estuary
More of an apprentice program like the trades then
peak escarp
and she's rather young - depending on when Reinhardt left to wander the world she probably didn't have time
from her bio: "Brigitte spent much of her spare time in her father's workshop, learning the trade and honing her skills. " . . . "Everyone expected that Brigitte would continue her apprenticeship and follow in her father's footsteps. But her plans changed due to influence of another prominent figure in her life, her father's close friend and fellow Overwatch agent, Reinhardt Wilhelm."
dense estuary
mechanic does not really need college, Like most trades the apprentice path is what is used.
peak escarp
so she had planned to pursue an apprenticeship (with the Ironclad Guild?), but when Reinhardt ran off she changed her mind and ran off with him
limpid agate
She probably apprenticed under Torb for most her life, unofficially
peak escarp
so 5 years ago when Reinhardt took off, Brigitte would have been 18 - finally old enough to get an apprenticeship?
it's interesting what information about the other heroes you can find in a hero's bio page
"As a squire, Brigitte had many responsibilities, the most important of which was the upkeep of Reinhardt's Crusader armor (a design she was familiar with as the current version was designed by her father)."
this implies Torbjorn/the Ironclad Guild weren't responsible for designing the original crusader armor
hmm . . . we were discussing a while ago how odd it was for Torbjorn to be a "family friend" of Angela's . . . what if he was her godfather?
feral lintel
sometimes things get inserted into the plot that don't end up making sense
like how d.va was originally a starcraft pro, but it doesn't fit with the skills she needs to pilot her mech, so that was retconned out
remote sequoia
oh no
peak escarp
they usually only don't make sense because we don't have all the facts
she's still a pro gamer, and she still likes starcraft
remote sequoia
oh no
feral lintel
oh no?
remote sequoia
oh no
feral lintel
what do you mean?
peak escarp
either contribute to the conversation or don't say anything
limpid agate
@remote sequoia Shitposting will result in a loss of access, final warning
remote sequoia
oh no
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
peak escarp
D.Va being a starcraft pro honestly didn't make sense - them correcting it was a good thing
limpid agate
Overlord though, he fits the bill
peak escarp
yeah
timid eagle
@peak escarp But the same could be said for Hamster the size of a Teddy Bear building a mech.
peak escarp
his mech's design suits an RTS player
limpid agate
You know who we haven't heard from for a long time
Sven
Sanjay came back, Brig came back
What's Sven up to
peak escarp
@timid eagle Hammond makes sense within the world
we are given the reason for his existence
it's a bad reason, but it fits the internal logic of the OW universe
timid eagle
Yeah, I don't buy it.
limpid agate
What's good is theres only room for the two animals
brisk harbor
Whats his goal even
limpid agate
So we are done with super intelligent moon animals
@brisk harbor The pursuit of knowledge and adventure
frosty shell
sven was probs a 1-off villain
limpid agate
@frosty shell Probably, but unlike Antonio/Vialli he lived
peak escarp
Hammond's goal? he's just adventuring
limpid agate
Not everyone wants to save the world
brisk harbor
I just dont really find hammond interesting
limpid agate
Agreed
peak escarp
fortunately, he's not central to the story
limpid agate
A lot of people were dreading his inevitable inclusion
frosty shell
everything about the Torbjorn comic seemed one-off to me
frosty shell
For some reason, lots of people seem to think Mercy and Torb are related
limpid agate
They are not related, but their relationship is confusing
limpid agate
No
limpid agate
Starcraft and Tokki don't have transferable skills
peak escarp
and whatever her main game is is probably a Blizzard game that doesn't exist in our world but does in OW
feral lintel
torb's wife seems a lot younger than him. maybe she's related to mercy in some way, which is how torb knows her
peak escarp
a gundam-like mech simulator game is probably her main game
limpid agate
Would make sense, actually
Not sure how I feel about it, but Aunt Ingrid makes more sense than random friend Ingrid
peak escarp
I think it's either a blood relationship on Ingrid's side (aunt or cousin), or Torbjorn is her godfather
frosty shell
I doubt either
timid eagle
RTS players need to have a very high APM and the lore states that the MEKA pilots were chosen from pro gamers, because they needed people with the abilities to perform very high APM to pilot the machines.
frosty shell
Torbjorn is Swedish, Mercy is Swiss
feral lintel
though, maybe ingrid is similar in age to torb. blizzard does tend to design women to look younger than they actually are
tawny patio
I mean any VR based combat game could make a lot of sense imo?
Or even from what I feel of Mekka’s controls anything like a flight simulator shooter type thing
limpid agate
@timid eagle APM doesn't help shit when a meka pilot also needs 3d mobility, accuracy, and reaction time
APM in Starcraft is just doing s lot of things really really fast
Not as much is transferable for her
Mastermind and Starcraft look transferable
peak escarp
@frosty shell Reinhardt is German, Brigitte is Swedish
frosty shell
yes
timid eagle
It still feels more disconnected than before.
peak escarp
doesn't mean he can't be her godfather
limpid agate
But Casinos mech aint gonna get shit from RTS
frosty shell
Mercy was likely baptized pre-crisis
limpid agate
If you want to see what game she is known for
There is a mech game in her room
It could be that
feral lintel
@frosty shell people from different countries can be friends
i'm not sure how that's so hard to understand
peak escarp
yes
that's how he became a family friend
he's not going to be friends with a child without knowing her parents
limpid agate
@frosty shell There needs to be some explanation
peak escarp
that would be extremely questionable
frosty shell
It is possible the Lindholms took Mercy in
peak escarp
that is one possibility
D.Va's game
based on the title screen, it does look like a mech pilot simulator
frosty shell
it could be nother game she palys
peak escarp
there doesn't seem to be a title for the game - the text on the left are just game options (play, etc.)
feral lintel
i've noticed there's a lucio game and a pachimari game at the arcade in busan
the lucio one seems to be soccer-related
which is strange, because even though he used to play soccer, he's more into hockey
i'll see if i can get a screencap quick
https://imgur.com/a/mfoude2
there's a third game, but it's the same as the one on d.va's computer
feral lintel
judging by the login screen, it's an MMO
frosty shell
the gameplay looks just like Pokémon
feral lintel
i wonder how pokemon would play as an MMO
dense estuary
the Lucio one is probably "Lucioball"
frosty shell
It sure seems that Lucio became famous really fast
peak escarp
Lucio was described as an overnight celebrity in his bio
frosty shell
OK
peak escarp
"In a popular uprising, they drove Vishkar out of their neighborhoods. Lúcio's leadership made him a star overnight and a symbol for positive social change. His music skyrocketed in popularity. Whereas he had once performed locally, he was now filling arenas across the world."
He was a performer before that, but he was mostly underground
dense estuary
Not totally unreasonable after all in real life nobodies have become big just because they won the trending lottery on YouTube
peak escarp
He became a worldwide celebrity, so it's not surprising that Hana and Dae-hyun were listening to his album
feral lintel
the lucio game looks to be the eleventh one made, unless "eleven" is part of the title
peak escarp
I think it's a reference it Inazuma Eleven
dense estuary
He’s a musician maybe it’s a reference to turn it to 11
feral lintel
ooh, interesting!
dense estuary
Oh I never knew there was a soccer rpg
peak escarp
It's very anime styled
feral lintel
it's relatively recent. the first one came out in 2008
dense estuary
That probably makes more sense then
peak escarp
The pachimari game looks like a Harvest Moon Dragon Quest parody
worthy rose
Inazuma eleven was the shit
peak escarp
I think during the current storyline Lucio is still doing his world tour
But we don't know when his uprising happened - I assume it's a recent event because of a few small references that might not even be about him
That's one spot in the timeline I'm a bit fuzzy on
The only place/time I have for Lucio that I'm 100% certain on is that he was doing a NYE concert in London the same year as Recall
feral lintel
i really hope we get a more fleshed out story for lucio in the future
peak escarp
Same
I think he's likely to merge paths with new-Overwatch, so I'm excited to see that happen
frosty shell
D. Va got lore, so I have hope for Lúcio
feral lintel
i wonder how he's going to join overwatch, exactly. it's not like winston's recall can magically summon him like it did with everyone else so far
timid eagle
Hopefully, with Lucio's short, we will see him in this outfit. https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/010/462/700/large/tim-moreels-intro2.jpg?1524570190
peak escarp
I'm sure everyone will get lore eventually
We just have to have patience
Winston might try to recruit Lucio, after hearing what he did, or maybe Lucio hears that Overwatch is back and asks them to help in Brazil
Who knows
Winston/Talon/Vishkar crashing a concert seems to be a popular fan idea
limpid agate
I never liked that idea because every time it just adds more and more characters
Lucio concert
Raided by Sym
With Sanjay at the sideline
And Dva was at the concert already
And Winston crashes in to save the day
With Tracer
peak escarp
Yeah
They just throw in everyone
At least the other shorts/comics with multiple heroes made sense to have them all there
Infiltration had the most
And Zarya was just a cameo/teaser at the end
feral lintel
if blizzard ever makes a lucio short, i think it would be good to just focus on lucio and maybe symmetra
peak escarp
Yeah
feral lintel
setting up their rivalry, perhaps
peak escarp
People always want to put DVa and Lucio together for some reason
pearl blade
Does Hanzo have scatter arrow in lore?
frosty shell
yes
pearl blade
Do we know how it works or has blizzard not gone into that?
frosty shell
I don't think so
feral lintel
@peak escarp i can see why, since they're both young celebrities
dense estuary
and its the nature of shipping. Lore wise the eventual progress would seemingly to me be D.Va and Dea-hyun, Sure she "friend zoned" him in the short but that is just ice to be broken. That said being a military branch MEKA probably would frown on that level of closeness. Can cause possible issues during a mission.
dense estuary
If I wanted to lore the sonic arrow I would say it worked kinda like a bat's sonar and somehow relays that back to the user's Augmented Reality.
plush scroll
What if Wrecking Ball got lore? Be nice to see his relationship with the other scientists and stuff.
dense maple
i actually kinda wanna see a hammond short to get a better idea of his personality and stuff
as long as they dont try to use him as a star wars porg 2.0, the "cutesy" stuff for merch
cuz he comes from junkertown i think
and has the omnic ball
iron plume
Hammond comes from the lunar colony, same as winston
limpid agate
@dense maple @plush scroll
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Hammond is not from Junkertown
iron plume
he was in Junkertown but it's not where he comes from
and the ball isn't an omnic, it's a mech with AI
worthy rose
Hammond came from HLC
possibly overheard one of the bad gorillas' conversation and went into stealth mode in the vents
peak escarp
I don't think there's much else we can learn about Hammond
dense maple
@limpid agate thank god, this has rejuvenated my interest in overwatch
the h a m s t e r l o r e
when a hamster gets lore but lucio and zenyatta dont
peak escarp
if we do get anything else for Hammond, it will probably be in his future
if Lucio or Zen were new heroes, they'd get origin trailers too
but they're not
limpid agate
Sarcasm aside @dense maple
Every post launch hero gets that much lore minimum
Lucio has a blog article about his goals (as well as a lot of good in game interactions)
Zenyatta just has the misfortune of being among the first 12
Who got shafted on lore if they're not a main character
Zenyatta, Symmetra, Mercy, Hanzo
dense maple
sad
id really like to learn a bit more about mercy, since she has an odd way of thinking and very strong morals
peak escarp
odd way of thinking?
you can basically figure out Mercy's life story by figuring out how long it takes to become a chief of surgery
limpid agate
First do no harm.
peak escarp
she follows that oath, not just in medicine but in her whole life
dense maple
thing is though, she a damn pacifist to the point that she made nanotechnology just to not have to use any form of tool to cut into someone or anything like that during surgery (headcanon but still lmao)
limpid agate
We dont know the extent of its power
We have only seen it act as a glorified painkiller
frosty shell
Well, we've only seen Mercy's nanoteechnology as used by Ana act as a glorified painkiller
limpid agate
Correct
dense estuary
Isn’t that same tech what Moira uses in a modified form for her purple beam?
iron plume
it's heavily suggested but not confirmed
peak escarp
how long do you think was it between Genji's near-death and Retribution?
do you think it was fairly recent?
iron plume
I’d bet around a year
worthy rose
I know blizzard doesnt really highlight it but did soldier and mcree actually kill anyone?
In hero and in train hopper
cunning ledge
Truck guy definitely died to those helix rockets
McCree definitely hit a few headshots that might have been fatal
feral lintel
even so, i think it's been mentioned that soldier avoids killing when he can
cunning ledge
yeah
when he raided the bases for gear he didn't kill anyone
because those were just innocent people
limpid agate
McCree killed people on the Train
Soldier blew up the minigunner AND shot some guys off rooftops.
worthy rose
Idk if anyone here watches Game of Thrones but wouldn’t it be cool to see a Daenerys skin for Torb and a Jon Snow skin for Mei?
Fire and ice B.B.
cunning ledge
this is the lore channel
worthy rose
Aight
tawny patio
It’s also worth noting that although not Soldier anyone in that alleyway was probably fucked by that grenade 👀
We saw Soldier knock some of them out so when the grenade went offffff yeah no something tells me they died
cedar moon
What’s Zarya lore
feral lintel
zarya was an olympic weightlifter who became a soldier to fight for her country in the omnic war
iron plume
Grew up in a village affected by the omnic crisis, became a renowned weightlifter, her village was attacked by the reawoken omnium forces, had to choose between olympics and defending her country
and not really?
feral lintel
well, d.va also left a life of fame to fight for her country
but i'm not sure what you mean by "d.va 1.0"
her backstory didn't change?
cedar moon
Oh it didn’t? I thought stuff got redacted
feral lintel
i guess, but i meant she left e-sports behind
iron plume
and zarya was mostly made famous by her sacrifice
feral lintel
i think being the strongest woman in the world would've garnered her some fame, no?
iron plume
do you know who the strongest woman in the world is right now
cedar moon
Uh
cedar moon
Maryana Naumova
iron plume
not some rando in trenches
feral lintel
i don't know most war heroes either
cedar moon
I know many infamous peeps tho
lean prawn
dva was drafted because of her skills and fame, zarya just chose to become a common soldier
but it's pretty hard to be just a common soldier when you rip a particle cannon off of a vehicle and start handling it like any old gun
cunning ledge
also replace "olympic" with "summer games"
because it is an in-universe event which zarya has competed in
lean prawn
zarya is badass
weak crane
In Russia, the game plays you!
worthy rose
Zaryas gotta be like the strongest non-augmented human in the world
cunning ledge
most likely
feral lintel
i vaguely remember hearing her weightlifting record is higher than anything in real life so far?
feral lintel
according to google, the record for male weightlifting is 264 kg
iron plume
those are different records
cunning ledge
yeah
iron plume
you're likely referring to a specific position, they're traditionally measured as a sum
cunning ledge
there are many categories
iron plume
Zarya's record is within reach of current males but way above current females
feral lintel
i just searched "weightlifting world record"
worthy rose
I read that the strongest man in the world is eddie hall
Who lifted 500kg
Which apparently almost killed him in doing so
feral lintel
people weightlift in teams of 2?
iron plume
no
each competitor does two separate movements
and there are records for each separate one
but the big record and the medals are given for the sum
iron plume
yes
worthy rose
Definitely
iron plume
but it's not that far
women's is much lower
worthy rose
She beats the strongest mans record by 12kg
iron plume
there's a point where records stall out when they're close to the edge of what's physically possible
feral lintel
60 years ago, the total weight was higher because there was a third category for lifting (i can't find anything earlier than 1970)
peak escarp
interesting
iron plume
I don't know how close we are to the top in weightlifting, but things like 100m sprint are only .01s of a second off the predicted theoretical best
peak escarp
it's a little difficult to judge something set in the future by today's standards
iron plume
unless we like, physically evolve as a species
or allow cybernetic modification, which we know Zarya doesn't have
feral lintel
i doubt we'll evolve much in less than 100 years
peak escarp
its more likely that the regulations changed
iron plume
yeah it's an off hypothetical
that's the thing
regulations won't keep your muscles on the bones when they exceed the force that connects them
peak escarp
and maybe they went back to the 3 event system - making 512kg more possible for a female athlete
iron plume
3-event seems more possible but also makes it look less impressive
I think we're overthinking it a bit (what else is new)
peak escarp
we over think everything
cunning ledge
also, Zarya does seem to think that she'll break her record
iron plume
512 was set as something that sounds humanly reachable but is also very exceptional
cunning ledge
her new years resolution was "five. one. three."
iron plume
and that sounds about right
feral lintel
i think the writers just looked up the current record and added a few kgs
peak escarp
well, you wouldn't get a tattoo of an easily broken record
iron plume
it's the one that made her known
but yes I doubt it's easy to break
especially since her current conditioning is for a very different activity
feral lintel
does that mean 511 (or 510, or whatever) was a long-held record before zarya?
iron plume
so she'd need to get back in training
no
her bio says "she was expected to shatter longstanding records"
implying the previous one was significantly lower
feral lintel
i see
i wonder if the previous record holder also got a tattoo of their record, and how they must feel now, lol
iron plume
you don't not have the memories or the achievement or the fame just because someone later did it better
especially since it's long standing
and also that officially Zarya's record isn't set
because she didn't compete in summer games
autumn trellis
That's not how world records for lifting work
there's an olympic record and a world record
often times they're the same, and are announced as broken at the same time
but sometimes, and quite a bit in weightlifting, records are broken outside of the olympics and lifts become olympic records but not world records
autumn trellis
sure, but especially in weightlifting, that happens a lot