And she was in the Egyptian military - if she was in Canada, wouldn't she have joined the Canadian military?
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
dire timber
how old is Pharah?
peak escarp
32
dire timber
2 years before the Crisis, huh?
peak escarp
Approximately
regal coyote
mkes even more sense then
dire timber
would be cool if we knew more about the others' early days
peak escarp
We don't know anything about him
dire timber
I don't get why Pharah doesn't call him "dad"
regal coyote
cause they did not talk on screen/page?
peak escarp
That's another thing to make me think he didn't raise her
regal coyote
and the sam voiceline is a namedrop
peak escarp
People who are close with their parents don't call them by name
dire timber
the namedrop should've been on Ana's end
peak escarp
Ana could have said Sam
regal coyote
it would be worse if she say oh, my dad Sam he
Ana probably may nto be as close to him
dire timber
can you give me the exact quote from that exchange?
regal coyote
I mean a pair of parent seperate due to reasons, does not mean they dont care about the kid
they can still stay civil/friendly and care for kid
dire timber
@peak escarp I think it's wrong to make it a "close with their parents" issue
they could be very close
peak escarp
Pharah: Isn't it time you told Sam you're still alive?
Ana: Let me worry about what your father needs to know.
dire timber
Pharah: Isn't it time you told Dad you're still alive?
Ana: Let me worry about what Sam needs to know.
here
this would be much more natural
regal coyote
Pharah: Mum, don't you think it's time you told Sam you're alive?
Ana: You let me worry about what your father needs to know.
peak escarp
It sounds more natural the second way
peak escarp
So they intentionally had Pharah say "Sam"
regal coyote
but if he is a runaway that rarely cares Ana would use things like "that guy" rather than "your father"
yes
it a namedrop
dire timber
I do think Pharah is close with her father, but it could be that she rarely saw him at first
and only started to get to know him better later on
peak escarp
That makes them sound more distant than if Pharah has said "dad" and Ana said "Sam"
dire timber
again, I don't think it's a matter of "close" or "distant"
dire timber
I think Sam was taking care of Fareeha during the Omnic Crisis
regal coyote
^
dire timber
while Ana was busy with the war
regal coyote
that, and also when Ana is busy and on mission
so most likely in this case Pharah is having school in canada
sicne changing school every few monthis sucks balls
dire timber
it could be that once the Crisis was over, Fareeha returned to her mom's custody
and she didn't have much contact with Sam over a couple of years
regal coyote
but would that be for the best though
it would mean she would be without care most of the time since ana has to move around lots for missions and what not
regal coyote
should be
dire timber
and at that time, following some initial awkwardness, Sam would just suggest that she calls him by name
and then it stuck
regal coyote
also note that by the time the crisis is settled it is almsot time for pharah to finish up highschool and go to uni anyways
regal coyote
crisis settled
she enlist in army at 2062
or around most likely
born 2044
so makes sense she finish college first
omnic crisis ends at around 2051
so not highschool age
so she is with sam at least til 7-8 if not more.
i would say they were pretty close
peak escarp
Age 0 - Fareeha born
Age 2 - Omnic Crisis starts, Fareeha sent to live with Sam in Canada
Age 7 - omnic crisis ends, Fareeha goes back to Ana?
Age 12 - Overwatch group picture
Age 18? - enlists in military
frank gorge
do we know if sam is ana's husband
valid shell
No.
peak escarp
We don't know if they ever married
frank gorge
probably not or no
valid shell
Considering Fareeha took her mother's surname.
frank gorge
to be fair we dont even know Sam's surname
peak escarp
Amari is Ana's name, not Sam's
valid shell
The only option would have been for Sam to have taken Amari as his last name.
But considering Fareeha calls him 'Sam' and not dad, and Ana hasn't told him she's alive, I doubt they're still close.
iron plume
how is that the only option? it's entirely possible that they kept their names and Pharah was given/took Ana's
valid shell
Of course.
dire timber
@regal coyote uh, please don't use actual years
that's hella confusing
just use "X years before Recall"
iron plume
T-25
regal coyote
wait, so YBR is the new standard here in lores now? cool
Y.B.R. = years before recall.
iron plume
it's not really new
regal coyote
I am all for that really
kinda like how old real star wars fans use Battle of Yavin as an anchor point. Before.Battleof.Yavin and the like
iron plume
there's an in-game line
the last one with Ana https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Pharah/Quotes#Interactions
nova elbow
ah, thank you
dire timber
@regal coyote uh, "old Star Wars fans"?
that's literally how the Star Wars timeline is listed on the wiki, lmao
it's not some obscure thing
regal coyote
well kiddos use the clone wars as anchor sometimes
regal coyote
yes, it is good if you dont know about it
regal coyote
unfortunate
regal coyote
but not as bad as how disney kill off jade
dire timber
uh, Jade?
regal coyote
rebels have highs and lows, but is ok really
dire timber
ah, you mean Mara Jade
regal coyote
it is much cooler though if you read it
and really up til she has a kid everything is cool
thawn and emperor reborn are ok storylines really
it is up to the Vongs where things start to go silly
dire timber
oof
I have to disagree
we could go on, but
this is probably not the place for it
regal coyote
oh yeah, ow lore not starwars lore
native kayak
Anyways where’s the lucio short 👀
limpid agate
He doesn't have one.
peak escarp
I wonder if that includes his skates or not
peak escarp
I'd like to see her response to the recall
She's the one person I can picture refusing to return (and having to be convinced)
native kayak
Why does she not like overwatch again
peak escarp
She didn't agree with their methods
She just wanted to help people, but Overwatch was too militaristic, and wanted to weaponize her tech
She only ended up joining them because she realized she could reach more people with Overwatch's resources
"Because her parents had been taken by war, Ziegler was opposed to the organization's militaristic approach to keeping global peace. Ultimately, she recognized that Overwatch offered her the opportunity to save lives on a much larger scale."
I think she could be convinced that things will be different this time
Or just convinced that people still need her
That's why Ana went back to fighting - because people still needed her protection
errant void
The realization that people need her would make the most sense; She's a combat medic. That's what she does.
iron plume
Mercy already is helping people in a similar capacity though
she doesn’t need overwatch to do it now
and unlike the original overwatch, winstonwatch doesn’t have massive resources to offer
there’s not really a reason for mercy to join in unless she fully buys into what they specifically are doing
and I don’t see that happening for a while
native kayak
@iron plume you raise some points
dire timber
@native kayak I mean, Overwatch's black ops division did have Moira hidden away in the basement, weaponizing her tech without her knowledge or permission
that's one thing that was sure to disillusion her about Overwatch
peak escarp
Mercy published papers though
Moira wouldn't need permission to use her research
Anyone with access to whatever journal she published them in could use them
dire timber
I mean, I guess, but that was still one of her conditions in working with Overwatch
peak escarp
True
dire timber
that if they were to weaponize her tech, she'd refuse to have anything to do with it
errant void
The thing is, we're not entirely sure. Michael Chu said she left after the weaponization of her technology, we know she did not want Ana using it in her rifle, but her official bio says she left after the dissolve of Overwatch. Unless something else has been said that I'm not aware of, it's possible she would return out of care for others; Not out of care for Overwatch.
iron plume
She protested the use of technology but stayed in overwatch
sidenote, that wasn’t used by ana back then
pre-fall she was a full on sniper rather than a sniper medic
And yes, her return, if it happens, would definitely be a result of trying to reach her help to more people
rather than actively wanting to be in the new overwatch
tawny silo
what's the story behind genjis butt
errant void
There isn't one.
limpid agate
@tawny silo Serious questions only.
native kayak
@tawny silo a serious answer sort of in the ballpark is michael chu said Genji still has his... lower parts intact
Teehee
tawny silo
so its his real booty... i am impressed ty
native kayak
Ofc😎
floral shard
You know that Genji skin from that Halloween comic
Im gonna bet thats the Slasher skin
Because it would seem like since what they did from last years halloween they would do it this year as well
limpid agate
Im expecting that to be a skin
But not to be the Slasher skin
That skin just looks like a Ronin
A Slasher is the name for a genre of horror movie villain
Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Friday the 13th, Scream, etc.
timid eagle
It’s also a code name, not the final.
But we will know more when the event is teased in the first week of October.
limpid agate
Yes, its the placeholder
But I doubt a clear ronin skin would be labelled "Slasher"
peak escarp
I don't think we'll get the outfit from the comic as a skin
It looks too generic
It's just a hat and a cloak - both of which would alter his silhouette
Which they try to avoid
limpid agate
I dont see it as too generic. Genji doesn't have a single traditional Japanese skin.
peak escarp
His young skins are pretty traditional
limpid agate
A traditional ronin/samurai skin is something that this allows him to pull off
floral shard
I feel like Genji should have a Actual Samurai skin like the armor sets you see at like Museums and all that
peak escarp
Armor like that seems too bulky for him
floral shard
Im sure theres gotta be Light armor sets
limpid agate
There are, its what you see in The Return of Junkenstein.
The only problem I see with it
Is the cloak would need to be altered
But even that can just be made shorter, or removed entirely
Just give him baggy pants instead.
peak escarp
I don't get why everyone wants that as a skin so badly
We could barely even see it in the comic
I think it was intentionally not detailed because they didn't have a design for it
bitter tulip
Is Moira getting a skin this event? I heard there were leaks but I couldn't find them.
valid shell
@bitter tulip No leaks so far.
timid eagle
@tepid abyss Yep, Halloween Terror 2018 will start on Oct. 10th
twilit geode
Go to bed
tranquil sun
i can't wait to get the Dracula skin
compact onyx
I SO want the Witch skin
tepid abyss
Nice, bet Moira will get a skeleton skin
Tracer better get a damn skin
She's hasn't had one either Halloween event
fair current
errant void
I'm close to having enough coin to buy Symmetra's Halloween skin, and Witch
But then I'm saving up for four different Christmas skins :')
tepid abyss
Just buy loot boxes 
cunning ledge
@floral shard isn’t the white tiger skin close enough to full samurai armour?
regal coyote
@limpid agate also that is a really traditional ronin look
fits him well, and fits the halloween lore
regal coyote
@cunning ledge white tiger is chinese style armor
cunning ledge
I mean yes that’s the entire event theme
regal coyote
@limpid agate the middle one is from a reallly really famous japanese group of warriors
lets just say they are a bunch of failed hero (hard to eplain but japanese love failed heroes) and they are the main trope of many many novels/plays/anime/manga/tv/movies/etc
limpid agate
Ok
regal coyote
Shinsengumi
dire timber
I was surprised to see the Monk actually use the Cultist appearance
regal coyote
also they have chainmale
some of them at least
there is rumored rule that on a fight everyone involved has to have their outfit blooded
if not theya re cowards
tender gorge
limpid agate
This is not a shipping channel
dusty spindle
lore=shipping
limpid agate
No, it doesnt
limpid agate
No
peak escarp
if it's not canon it doesn't belong here
the only canon relationships are Emily/Lena, Amelie/Gerard, Torbjorn/Ingrid
Ana/Sam
fast lynx
They should make like mei have an evil sister thats fire
limpid agate
That doesnt make sense in any context
flint briar
^
worthy rose
That's the TF2 crossover arc with the Pyro
peak escarp
no
limpid agate
@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access
supple fossil
lucio is widowmaker’s wife
limpid agate
!mute 486323360540655639 Shitposting in lore immediately after I warned another user.
twilit nacelleBOT
👌 Muted Memely#4336 indefinitely
timid eagle
I can see the Spider Skin going to Orisa, as Widow already has those vampire skins.
I’m curious to know if the Ghost is Sombra, or Tracer.
peak escarp
. . .
I stand corrected
You really can't see those details too well in normal gameplay
timid eagle
They also used the Huntress skin for Widow’s appearance in the Junkenstein comic. In the event, she’s even called that, a la Reinhardt.
But Lord Reinhardt.
I’m surprised no one has commented on that being a thing yet.
peak escarp
only in the Junkenstein AU
dusty spindle
yeah
the junkenstien stuff is gonna start soon
I would love to see some more lore about that Dr Junkenstein storyline
regal coyote
@peak escarp I would accept ship like Bastion/Ganymede and hammond/WBall
it is not sexual but up there
limpid agate
No
That's not happening
Half of those characters don't even understand the concept of relations
weary copper
viral olive
peak escarp
be serious
regal coyote
@limpid agate those samples are the closest thing the said characters can have a ship on.
kinda like besties, but to their capacity that is about what they can do
well fine... technically hammond would be besties of Winston, but also in lore they are still seperated
peak escarp
people don't generally use the term "ship" for platonic relationships
regal coyote
finefine then =.=
twilit geode
Well bastion could be in a relationship with Orissa, but it would be based on personality attraction rather that attraction to good looks like humans
twilit geode
But in the future. Like most in the ow roster have never met in lore
Also Winston is still a monkey so any relationship for him will be with another monkey so it's unlikely
limpid agate
Bastion has no understanding of gender, sexuality, or any form of romantic relationship
It is an asexual being through and through
Bastion simply has a curiosity for the world and nature. It doesnt have any implication of relationship towards anyone.
errant void
Omnics have such an advanced AI though, that they are capable of compassion and love, which is where I think the confusion comes from
cunning ledge
bastion isn't capable of a personality, let alone compassion
errant void
Bastion is definitely capable of compassion, to an extent. We saw that in his short
I definitely don't think it is even close to the extent of the Omnics, but to an extent he can feel
regal coyote
@limpid agate agree
though bastion would be besties with his birb, if birb still there
errant void
I think Jewvia put it the best way, yeah
regal coyote
if you ask me though anything that relates on the omnic relationship matter is at best platonic
errant void
I would prefer to only think of omnic relationships as platonic :')
regal coyote
i did not mention erotica
i am just saying romantic relations, esp eros does not apply to the omnic
maybe to the human attached to one but not to the omnic
dusty spindle
seriously why would you guys ship bastion and ganymede
it makes no sense
like yeah, the bird "saved his life" in the broadest definition possible
but why would a mobile turret fall for a small reptile
peak escarp
They are not reptiles by the common use of the word
limpid agate
Dont be a smartass. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
regal coyote
@dusty spindle on that, bastion seem to like the birb
and birb did calm him down when he goes all PTSD
so birb is his "Emotional Support Birb" so to speak
dusty spindle
but that's not grounds for shipping!
seriously its "emotional support"
not “sex buddy” or something
@regal coyote
limpid agate
This isn't a shipping channel
There is no grounds for shipping
Shipping doesn't belong here
Stop trying to make random ships. Especially for Bastion.
dusty spindle
oh well
zealous ridge
anyone know chinese??
also on this map the center satellite plays the overwatch loading screen music and not the theme music
the music sounds like what could be imagined to be data being transfered
shut coral
Hey
So anyone who’s heard about the new Torb rework.. he won’t have armor packs anymore
So how come Briggite has armor pack.. and is the only hero that gives armor..
When her father no longer does it lol
young raptor
so what
shut coral
And her father is even the best counter to armor
I think lore-wise (kinda) it’s weird
They designed Briggite around old torb and now changing what they designed her about
valid shell
@shut coral Torbjorn's a weaponsmith. Brigitte's an armorer.
Now things make more sense.
cedar moon
What if bastions bird died
valid shell
Then he would be dead.
rose escarp
D:
native kayak
Someone’s gonna tell you that’s shitposting quick delete!!!
peak escarp
@sage night source?
valid shell
@sage night Where did you get that from?
peak escarp
that's not a reliable source
cunning ledge
Apparently the Halloween skins got leaked (even more) by the achievements list on ptr
Can’t view twitch clips where I am though
subtle dawn
@cunning ledge now you can cross-reference them with the leaked names we got last month
bottom-middle is definitely slasher [???]
bottom-right is definitely (junkenstein's) bride [moira, i think]
top-left looks like hammond
top-right kinda resembles winston
but it could be a mask, for say, genji
so which one is ghost
top-middle?
top-middle seems more likely to be spider queen [widowmaker] though
well, actually, spider queen is an epic skin anyways
not a legendary
so forget that
so
Top row: Hammond, ???, Winston/Genji
Bottom row: ???, ???, Moira
cunning ledge
Ah, great, thanks
cunning ledge
Definitely Hammond
long ermine
i disagree
ohhh nvm yeah its hammond, i was looking at the bottom bit like a collar
slasher has to be genji right?
cunning ledge
The straight up knight in shining armour is interesting too
long ermine
and assuming the top middle is Spider Queen, its probably widow
timid eagle
Would the knight be Pharah, or Reinhardt?
cunning ledge
Yeah
subtle dawn
slasher doesn't look like genji to me
cunning ledge
Pharah
long ermine
im thinking slasher would fit genji more, it doesnt look like him yeah, but half his abilities are Slash
and its a mask
long ermine
I know it is
subtle dawn
unless it's a double entendre but
timid eagle
The icon resembles Soldier: 76, to behonest.
subtle dawn
the profile doesn't look like him
timid eagle
Even the hairline.
cunning ledge
Reinhardt already has a canon character as the King of the Castle, unless the skin is him coming out and fighting alongside the heroes
long ermine
Could be soldier actually ye
subtle dawn
looks more like soldier, i agree
timid eagle
As for the Bottom Left, I don't know why, but the hair screams Sombra than Moira.
subtle dawn
top-middle has me puzzled
subtle dawn
i have a feeling it's all legendaries
timid eagle
Yeah, as much as I want Orisa to get a cool skin, I'm starting to think that Spider Queen is an Epic for Widowmaker.
long ermine
top middle definitely isnt orisa
subtle dawn
hammond, ???, winston
pharah(?), soldier, moira
long ermine
bottom left could be pharah brig or genji tbh
subtle dawn
i think bottom-left could easily be tracer
long ermine
unlikely brig cuz she has a similair skin already
cunning ledge
Brig already has a knight skin
subtle dawn
she still has no halloween skin
and yeah, not brig
she has 2 knight skins
my guess is pharah or tracer
emphasis on tracer since pharah at least already has a halloween skin
tracer doesn't even have an epic
cunning ledge
Top middle is widow
timid eagle
And, since she has Shield Maiden, I'm sure that she's the daughter of the Viking Craftsman in the story.
long ermine
top middle is definitely widow actually imo. bc the visor
she has a masquerade thing on
subtle dawn
i see no visor, just hair
cunning ledge
Ghost might not have an icon, unless we only had 6 names to start with
long ermine
i cant post pics
subtle dawn
oh it might just be the hammond one
yeah hammond's skin is probably ghost
thought he was a pumpkin at first
but no
cunning ledge
Ah yeah I agree
long ermine
cunning ledge
Oh shit hang on
long ermine
you see the visor now dray?
cunning ledge
The scratch on the slasher mask, 76 has a similar face scar
timid eagle
So, Hammond is a goblin riding in a pumpkin?
subtle dawn
hammond is a ghost probably
long ermine
yeah we've pretty much established 76 is slasher
im trying to get a higher res pic 1sec
timid eagle
That profile in the bottom left screams Sombra, as she has rounder features than Moira.
Also, most of her hair styles go for side shave.
subtle dawn
i mean, it could be
also
please don't give winston a shitty gun this time
his baseball skin had a terrible gun
so did wukong
timid eagle
You honestly can't do much with his cannon.
subtle dawn
just make it not trash
timid eagle
And Sun Wukong is one of his best skins.
long ermine
you cant take screenshots in the menu for some reason
it takes a picture of just the map in the backround
subtle dawn
sun wukong has a terrible gun
it takes up way too much space
horrible in first person
yeti and specimen got it right
long ermine
pm'd you a better res image dray
worthy rose
They need to make an animated short of the mission to brainwash widow
brazen river
cunning ledge
an entire short of a known past event?
instead of, y'know, the story moving forwards?
that's what you want?
worthy rose
maybe for the archives event
it could be a good fit for the event because it shows past stories
regal coyote
bot right IS sombra, look at the face
My guess:
Top role; Hammond, Moira (msot likely), Bastion
Bottom role: Rein, 76, Sombra
So the bride is Moira then?
if we are lucky that would be brig not rein, but brig already got a crusader skin?
Also, for those who does not have enough brain cells to take a joke, that is for sure not bastion, most likely Winston
errant void
Bottom right is definitely Sombra, no if ands or buts about it. Top right looks like Winston to me, top middle could be Widow. No clue about any of the others, but they look cool... Mostly cause I'm desperate for some nice Halloween skins lol
valid shell
I see Hanzo top right.
limpid agate
Ham/Brig/???
Pharah/Soldier/Sombra
They won't add Moira as a playable hero
If top right is Hanzo, that works well
4 more heroes
Though Hammond send like a really odd choice
dire timber
where is it from anyway?
cunning ledge
ah ok, I thought the only leaked skin names were legendaries
cunning ledge
I see
limpid agate
And for Winter, we also have legend Figure Skater
native kayak
I don’t think the knight is rein, isn’t he narrator of junk’s revenge?
I think the knight is genji or something
Oh wait no.... that has to be pharah... I hope pls😰
regal coyote
watching the short sound introduction on Busan, pretty cool really
still kind sad there is no easteregg of zombie sounds on the train.
peak escarp
Why would there be zombies on the train?
peak escarp
ah
dense estuary
(going to be honest I do not think I had heard of Busan until Overwatch)
dusty spindle
hey everyone
i wonder if they will make another halloween comic
or christmas comic
the christmas comic is my favorite
peak escarp
comics are hard to predict, since they don't come on a reliable scedule
we've gotten one for Archives both years and Halloween both years, so those would be safe guesses
but outside of that, all bets are off
iron plume
we've also got one for both winter events
but it's hard to fault anyone for not remembering the second one
timid eagle
With regards to Blizzard World, I can see that map getting a Christmas variant.
tawny patio
Orisa/Brigette/Winston
Reinhardt/Reaper/Sombra
That’s the vibes I get from the 6 in the image tbh
timid eagle
RIP King Reinhardt. 😦
peak escarp
I see
Wrecking Ball/Brigitte/Doomfist
Pharah/Soldier/Moira
frosty shell
bottom left could be Genji
I think Winston for top right
It even has a gorilla nose
Blues1990's idea of "goblin-riding-pumpkin" sounds great
Mohawk could be the Queen?????
making an early appearance
But I'd assume The Bride Of Junkenstein would be an enemy character
and this acheivement screen most likely has playable characters
peak escarp
they would not add a skin for a new hero before they're even in the game
long ermine
@limpid agate why wouldnt they make Moira playable?
long ermine
well there's only 4 players, the six player achieve is for the all heroes mode
limpid agate
But its most likely her
They wouldn't advertise beating it as 6 heroes, when one of those 6 heroes are likely to be a new villain.
Thats my take on it
I think Moira has little to no chance to be it
long ermine
Sombra is on the achievement for 8 different heroes retribution
limpid agate
Sombra is a villain in Retribution?
limpid agate
Halloween has bosses of Roadhog/Reaper/Mercy/Junkrat
Last year they added Symmetra
This year they announced Bride of Junkenstein
regal coyote
we can assume characters allready assigned to be hero/monster would not be the bride
(We can also assume symmetra would be much weaker having no shield generator)
Can maybe also assume it is character with AI?
limpid agate
(We can also assume symmetra would be much weaker having no shield generator)
No we cant
Shield Gen is a seperate construct
peak escarp
maybe, but Junkrat and Symmetra aren't normal AI options
limpid agate
She doesnt build it herself
Her gun and her thrown shield are different
The rest are the same
peak escarp
neither is Mercy actually
limpid agate
Shield Gen has no reason to be removed. It still exists
peak escarp
the only Junkenstein enemy that's in the normal AI pool is Roadhog
long ermine
bc they're not ai they're scripted
regal coyote
we can assume the brids is NOT someone that is having another skin then?
blizz not going to give someoen 2 skins
long ermine
yeah dracula & pumpkin reaper whoa that totally didnt happen
regal coyote
i mean not of the same year, and not playing two roles
in terms of the story
so if, say, hammond is indeed having a green goblin skin, then he will not be having another skin as the bride.
long ermine
i think saying hammond is not going to be a bride is a risky choice
i mean who wouldnt want him
regal coyote
exactly :3
we know rein is the king (the like) and genji is ronin (no skin yet)
"monsters": junkrat, roadhog, reaper, mercy, symm
long ermine
Ronin?
regal coyote
"hero 1": mccree, soldier(need skin), ana, hanzo,
@long ermine read the comic
actually 76 dont have the lore related skin yet
ana may or may not be ok with the pirate outfit
hanzo not sure
limpid agate
Those silhouettes are their default skins
regal coyote
yes
regal coyote
i wish for a real alchemist outfit
but "Hero 2" still has a spot unfilled
torb, widow, zen, genji
torby and zen got the skin
huntress widow is standard skin
we need ronin
also these 4 obviously not the bride
rein is the king, so no bride either
we can eliminate 14 of the characters from being the bride then
limpid agate
You can safely eliminate all the male and non-human characters
regal coyote
technically orisa...
but yeah i would say only females
now as said the bride skin will be available for loot 100% since it would be dumb otherwise. So it would not be a character that would get another nice new skin
we can most likely eliminate sombra then.
regal coyote
since she is most likely the one on the bot right of the six icons
limpid agate
Also Pharah
regal coyote
yes
regal coyote
due to the silhouettes, sicne no way a character get two great skin in same event same year
regal coyote
sym and mercy have a role so less likely for junkenstein
Moira then
well technically brig also
but moira fits better i guess, though brig as a bride with a bauquet of flower as a mice would look great and fun
hardy sapphire
they leaked 6 icons for the new achievement so im guessing zarya is the bride
long ermine
Isn’t the third silhouette tracer
limpid agate
The third is a big mystery
Some think Hanzo/Doomfist/Winston
First I hear of Tracer
long ermine
No in the comic
hardy sapphire
winstons would basically just be a yeti recolor lol
long ermine
The third in the achievement is doom/Winston imo
I meant the third shadow in the comic
limpid agate
... What do you mean in the comic?
These 4?
Thats Ana/Soldier/Hanzo/McCree
Its the original Junkenstein team
limpid agate
Its the link from above I cropped
long ermine
You’re probably right but that looks nothing like hanzo to me
valid shell
Tracer doesn't have arrows.
long ermine
No shit
valid shell
Calm down.
limpid agate
Its supposed to be hanzo
long ermine
Yeah I know it's supposed to be hanzo
peak escarp
it's stylized
regal coyote
also made it so it is not as hi tech
i am hoping for a civil war style 76, oh well
there will be a day i guess
we know unlikely to have a steam punk version
chu hates the steampunk shit, and we know ti from good sources
one of the VA interviews i think
valid shell
Chu doesn't make the skins.
regal coyote
yes, but artist still communicates with him
valid shell
Then why do the steambot Bastion skins exist?
Chu's personal tastes aren't what make money for Blizzard.
regal coyote
well in that case it makes sense so to speak
but unless there is a super popular demand for steampunk we are less likely to get something chu does not depend on, especially when it coems to lore rellated things
in this case it is less likely for the junkenstein 76 to be written as a steanpunk warrior
peak escarp
because an opportunity to tell his lore hasn't come up yet
so far he's just been part of Genji's backstory
cunning ledge
i'd say he has some of the best in-game characterisation too
many good voice lines and interactions
regal coyote
also right now zen is basically the trope "magic n-word"
so he is more of a plot device and mysterious help for people
my guess is we get lucio stuff next before zen
wispy roost
Idk which lore is my favorite I love all the lores and I especially like the fact that overwatch gives these characters backstorys unlike a lot of games
Some give characters backstorys but overwatch is one of the best examples of that
peak escarp
agreed
it was the story and characters that attracted me to the game in the first place
I don't like first-person online shooters
but I like Overwatch
sharp silo
reinhardt gets ran over by thanos car in overwatch 2
peak escarp
no
peak escarp
no shitposting
peak escarp
this is a serious channel
iron plume
because it's not a channel for jokes
especially ones that bad
peak escarp
if you want to make jokes go somewhere else
white cobalt
peak escarp
D.Va is 19 in the short, which is her current age
the news broadcast at the end has "19 Thursday" in the top corner in Korean
(this is assuming 2076 is the current year)
peak escarp
there's also a full moon during the fight with the gwishin, which I would assume takes place a few days before that news broadcast
so I would guess it was November 19
long ermine
Full moon could have just been a design choice but still good thinking
peak escarp
if we ever get an answer on what year recall happens it would make me so happy
right now all we have is "60 years from now", which is most likely an approximate number
woeful monolith
Thats deep
peak escarp
This is also assuming they're keeping the timeline consistent internally, which I think they are
There haven't been too many massive timeline issues, except for when (and why) Morrison enlisted
limpid agate
Hmmm.
On the topic of a full moon
Has the moon ever not been full?
Theres a possibility that, with all the human activity on the moon, its just perpetually full now
peak escarp
That would complicate things
There's a few comics set at night where the moon isn't seen
Reinhardt's comic is the one I can remember off the top of my head
Part of it is at night with no moon seen
How would activity on the moon cause it to always be full though?
cunning ledge
Activity on the moon wouldn’t change the celestial alignments that cause moon phases
Although it is true that it’s always shown as a full moon to show the base detail
peak escarp
They just really want to show off that there's something up there
It's not such a big thing that it messes up the timeline though
Some people assume that all the shorts showing a full moon happen on the same night, which is technically possible, but very unlikely
Which is really just Dragons and Hero
peak escarp
Dragons I would guess happens in mid spring (based on the blooming cherry trees), and Hero I'd place in October (based on the Los Muertos goons setting up for the Nov 1st riot)
timid eagle
@peak escarp There's also the factor about Mercy's history, and how it's been rewritten so much we don't even know what to make of the hero's backstory.
frosty shell
Mercy's history hasn't been rewritten that much
Her age was the only major change
"Magical Negro" isn't really that inappropriate to say
And Zen's trope is more of the original "Asian wise mentor"
The Magical Negro trope is just a variation of the original trope but for black people instead of Asians
limpid agate
The main difference between the two was, the Asian Wise Mentor trains your mind and body
Like Karate Kid
So I'd say Zenyatta fits into that one more
iron plume
"magical negro" is usually a sidekick with some unique ability rather than a mentor
Zen is absolutely the Wise Mentor
also mercy's age was only rewritten pre-launch when nothing was officially established
so it's not even that really
timid eagle
I don't know. It feels weird that she is now an honor family member of Torb, and she's been a medical prodigy since she was a teen? And I don't believe she looks to be in her mid-40's.
iron plume
She's always been a medical prodigy
it's not super realistic, but she's an exceptional individual, that's kind of the point of overwatch heroes
it's been consistent since her initial story reveal
The torb family member is a bit iffy, but we didn't know anything about her childhood except that her parents died in the crisis
so it's not retconning anything, just partially filling in some gaps
as for the look, for one, she's not in her mid-40s
she's 37
and for two, you wouldn't guess her to be 37, but that's just a factor of the art style and the fact that they want heroes to be attractive looking
and it's not that unrealistic, plenty of cosmetic treatments exist now, they'd be even better in OW's time
native kayak
Male gaze
iron plume
as if the male heroes aren't starebait too
timid eagle
Well the age thing is throwing me off, as with Torb's letter to his wife, he mentions that Angela had come to visit him in the hospital.
iron plume
it's not about that, it's about your heroes looking good
the only ones that don't are the ones where it's a deliberate part of their design
iron plume
like hog being fat or the old people being old
yes choose the one hero that's deliberately set otherwise
native kayak
They wouldn’t make an “ugly” female
iron plume
The letter has caused another age retcon
timid eagle
Again, you are missing the point. With Angela visiting Torb in the hospital, she would have to be in her 40's, not 37, or else things are thrown out of whack.
native kayak
But males yes
native kayak
@timid eagle retconned
iron plume
Brigitte was changed from 28 to 23
Mercy was always 37
please stop spreading misinformation @native kayak
native kayak
@iron plume literally repeated what you said
iron plume
what mercy "would have to be" is irrelevant
she is 37 and has been that since before release
without context it is a little strange for mercy to visit torb when she was 14 and not in overwatch yet
but we've got the family friend explanation as a reason for that
how well you take it is up to you, but that's the reason
timid eagle
It still feels weird and out of left-field.
iron plume
feel however you want about it, that doesn't make mercy not 37
iron plume
chronologically 40 and physically 31
safe void
so basically....
limpid agate
She was born 40 years ago
But she is 31
She didnt live out those 9 years, she was frozen
And she didn't age either because she was frozen
peak escarp
I don't see why Angela visiting Torbjorn in the hospital is so weird
It would be like visiting an uncle
And her being a teenage prodigy was already known - in the group picture from Ana's origin story, Angela is 17 and visiting from university
Chu said so in his GDC panel last year
limpid agate
Its odd because how would it be like visiting an uncle unless she was adopted by the family, which is something we have never been told about
The family friend angle doesn't work when she lost her family many years before this event
peak escarp
We were told she's a family friend
peak escarp
Which most likely means her parents were friends of the Lindholms
And they kept in contact after the Zeiglers died
And Brigitte was their youngest daughter - one or more of her older siblings might have been Angela's age
Learning more about the Zeiglers and/or the Lindholms would help things
Anyway, Blues's argument that Mercy's backstory is a mess is entirely untrue
There's just further explanation needed
And if 11-year-old Efi can create a new guardian for Numbani out of some discontinued robots, then 14-year-old Angela can be dreaming of tissue regeneration
limpid agate
The difference is
We knew Efi was an accomplished child genius because that was her introduction.
Mercy inexplicably being a family friend of Torbjorn's from the age of 14 out of nowhere, and without any further context
Makes it jarring
iron plume
it's not dreaming of her regen tech that is weird
we know Mercy was a prodigy, and even if she wasn't, like, it was described as an aspiration rather than anything she's actually close to
it's the fact that she was close to Lindholms at 14 that's out of nowhere
there's a bunch of explanations of how it can be possible, it's not super unrealistic
but they weren't actually given
peak escarp
I was moving onto Blue's next point - that Mercy would have to be in her 40s for the timeline to make sense
I've even seen people who think she's 50-something
iron plume
I'm pretty sure there's people who think she's 1000
peak escarp
I don't get why people think she's so old
She looks young
She's never grouped with the strike team
valid shell
@gusty fjord Shitposting will result in loss of access.
gusty fjord
Hey, to be fair, I was just reading through the chat so far but I'll keep that in mind
gusty fjord
I mean, I guess?
I can see why he'd think that
But that trope involves the trope to actually help the protagonist
peak escarp
I dislike the use of tropes to describe complex characters
gusty fjord
I'd argue that tropes help describe the foundation of the character
But they are only meant to be used as a "blueprint" of sorts
Something to help you start a character. A preset for you to modify and customize going forward.
iron plume
all characters follow some tropes
complex or not, anyone consistent can ultimately be described as a combination of tropes
and there’s nothing wrong with that
peak escarp
But just blanket statements of "x character is exactly y trope" are annoying
long ermine
It's hard to differ between canon and stories ive read by now
bc some of them fit in the lore so well pepehands
worthy rose
wind pond
Q: How many years ago was the Retribution bombing and revenge mission? and a little explanation as to why?
median fiber
comics state that it was "8 years ago" so around 2068, two years before HQ explosion.
wind pond
ok, thanks
errant void
On an earlier point, Mercy's suit stops her aging, so it would make sense for her to look so young
iron plume
what
that has never been brought up in anything canon
and why would a combat medic suit stop aging
wind pond
They never said it stops her aging, but she does have some anti aging stuff sorta half confirmed via interactions
regal coyote
Unfortunately current zen is jsut that, a trope.
before they add details Lucio is s trope too.
Well when it coems to Hana/D.Va it is a stacked bunch of tropes for the msot part.
sure we ahve som depth now bust still
So some characters are mroe trope than the others.
and when it co9ems to ow, its use is DELIBERATE as said, to let player get a grasp of the chraacter's playstyle quickly
remember playability does go inf ront of lore.
despite we all lvoe lore here (in this channel at least) we cant deny lore is mainly used to add depth and more approachable bits to the character first
limpid agate
And I expect nothing until Blizzcon
If you're lucky, you still have a Halloween comic
versed shard
Has anyone got a link to all the comics to go through?
limpid agate
Pins
peak escarp
Mercy looks young because she is young (relatively speaking) and she takes care of herself, like any good doctor would
women generally don't age a whole lot between 28 (the age Mei would have seen her last) and 37
regal coyote
@limpid agate i think we will get a small comic (maybe one page but still)
would make sense for halloween
junior leaf
Why does zen have NO background
peak escarp
He doesn't have no background
His background is that his a shambali monk who disagreed with the method they used to spread their teachings, so he left
It says so in his bio
If you want a character with no background . . . Emre
nova elbow
that's still more than we know about Liao
regal coyote
not sure if we get any lore from this other than your erotica needs, but interesting "voiceline" none the less
cunning ledge
there's no timestamp
no actual words said so far
I guess omnic pain sounds are of relevance but that could well be gameplay
cunning ledge
huh
limpid agate
Burning, Freezing, Shock, and Coughing
Your 3 elemental status effects and Poison
Been there since launch
cunning ledge
makes sense for them to have had foresight like that i suppose
regal coyote
no burning before that though technically in game
also dont know if canon but i guess omnic feels pain then?
regal coyote
good point
woeful ruin
untold cradle
rein's fire strike?
limpid agate
Nothing
Its the first ability to have the effect.
Firestrike is literally fire, but doesnt trigger any burning sound queues
tepid abyss
Only other closest thing is meis ultimate, but that's cold burns
nova elbow
so… freezing
iron plume
mei's ultimate isn't a dot
tepid abyss
?
tepid abyss
(it is a DoT though)
iron plume
no
dense maple
thats an AoE not DoT
although the reason its not DoT is because if you exit it you dont continue taking damage
just long-term AoE
iron plume
not here
subtle moss
Mei's ult is a DoT the same way Roadhog's and Reaper's are.
nova elbow
they're not?
subtle moss
Yes.
carmine iron
@subtle moss hogs isn't dot?
carmine iron
Oof chill my boi
It doesn't matter, either way, I kinda wish they put more lore in the gsmr
Game**
subtle moss
Blizzard doesn't put anything in-game. At best you get little hints like the smashed bot in Numbani's attack spawn.
regal coyote
wrong
they do.
small buts of lore
sure the map is not canon but it is a simplified concentrated version of the canon location.
errant void
There is quite a bit of lore in the maps, but like Hamster said, they are usually small pieces of lore
And on a previous point, I think it's interesting that Omnics are capable of "coughing." Maybe they were made to be similar to humans, like the droids in the Alien franchise?
Granted, I have absolutely no clue how weapons such as Widow's venom mine effect omnics, but that's just nitpicking lol
trail axle
Zenyatta doesn’t have much lore :/ poor guy
timid eagle
Yeah, he, Hanzo, Mercy basically exist to provide the backbone to Genji.
subtle moss
Mercy is secretly evil and nothing can convince me otherwise.
valid shell
@subtle moss Welcome to the biggest meme theory pre-Moira.
It's been thoroughly debunked.
subtle moss
I'm not interested in 'debunkings.' (Hence the nothing can convince me otherwise.) A person that willfully dresses themself and styles themselves as an angel absolutely has some sort of underlying pyschological issues or a messiah complex.
dusty dagger
A savior complex doesnt sound that far off
Its not inherently evil or bad, just a character trait
peak escarp
the theory was that Mercy had a hand in creating Reaper
peak escarp
which was thoroughly debunked when Moira was introduced and she was shown giving Reyes his powers
if dressing like an angel indicates a messiah complex, what does dressing like a cowboy indicate?
dusty dagger
That he really fucking likes cowboys
valid shell
"but what if good character was actually bad character" is hardly higher storywriting.
I'm betting Mercy is and will remain the moral paragon while everyone else falls somewhere between her and Reaper.
peak escarp
Mercy is that rare thing called an actual decent human being
dusty dagger
And for some reason, it makes her evil
valid shell
D.Va is not a robot, and her MEKA can't be hacked.
That was the whole reason why MEKA put pilots inside of their drones.
dusty dagger
Lame
peak escarp
most heroes are pretty clearly on one side or the other
except maybe Symmetra
and Hanzo seems undecided
and by sides I mean heroes and villains, not Overwatch and Talon
worthy rose
Sym is a villian
peak escarp
is she though?