we've only seen Sombra hack tech in the lore
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
so it's likely she can't hack as many things as she can in the game
people like McCree or Roadhog can't actually be hacked
woeful ruin
Yeah it'd be mind control at that point
peak escarp
which isn't Sombra's expertise
we don't have anyone with mind-control/hypnosis skills yet
peak escarp
some people think Maximillien might, and he could also be the one who did Widowmaker's conditioning
but there isn't much evidence to that theory
just the layout of his forehead dots being similar to Widowmaker's visor
limpid agate
Gameplay != Lore
There is no lore reason for hacking Roadhog's hook
Its just consistent gameplay mechanics
peak escarp
I don't think Max did work on Widowmaker
in Masquerade they seem to be meeting for the first time
worthy rose
^good point
peak escarp
If Sombra's hack was realistic in the game, it would be either useless or OP depending on who it's used against
it would completely disable omnic heroes
worthy rose
Hm.
peak escarp
and low-tech human heroes wouldn't be effected
some guns might still get hacked, and that's about it
worthy rose
Hm, i.e mcree?
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
how do you thikn it would affect sym/d.va if it was more realistic?
peak escarp
she could probably hack DVa's mech
worthy rose
definatley.
peak escarp
depends if hard light can be hacked
hard light emitters can probably be hacked, but what about hard light constructs?
worthy rose
Yeah, I understand taht he took it, but I'm still wondering how modifications could effect it
wow, at 11 pm my spelling and grammar... on point
peak escarp
it's hard to say
we haven't seen Lucio at all in the lore, much less seen him use any of his abilities
worthy rose
Yeah, hopefully more lore about him will come out
peak escarp
it's not that much of a stretch to go from hard light to sound waves
they're both a form of waves
worthy rose
Once again, good point.
peak escarp
"Audible sound has frequencies that cover a very big range, from about 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz, meaning that the pressure at your ear oscillates back and forth 20 to 20,000 times per second. Each frequency gives a different audible pitch. Visible light has frequencies from around 4*10^14 Hz to around 8*10^14 Hz."
so in science fantasy like Overwatch, it's plausible that hard light technology and sound wave technology could be closely related
worthy rose
Hmm.
peak escarp
a quick google search tells me nanobiotechnology is an emerging technology in current day
so that's another imminently plausible technology that makes sense for Overwatch's near future setting
dense estuary
probably lots of portable tech has poor firewalling too
just like today IoT devices the security is an absolute joke
runic scroll
Anyone ever wonder to what degree the producers of hard light objects have control over their creations?
Like if Symmetra built an entire building
Could she one day say “screw it” and make it disappear or something
Legal consequences unconsidered
dense estuary
We are not sure how the bigger constructs even work
dense estuary
to be fair hard light might be a term OW uses for matter replication.
limpid agate
It pretty much is
peak escarp
take your memes somewhere else
terse oak
@worthy rose No shitposting in this channel
regal coyote
my guess is there are different types
those that are obvious temoprary "bluish things" and some basically permanent objects
guess it is like alchemy from full metal alchemist
except it is on building stuff only, so you cant combine things like going FUSION! on a girl and a dog
errant void
Different types would make sense. Buildings would obviously be permanent, in a sense, but other things, like the wall she creates during her ultimate, are temporary
hasty surge
Probably just objects
Made of from photons so it can appear and disappear? Without any weight and size before they were formed
peak grotto
Uhhh
hasty surge
Have you heard of the string theory? Different vibrations form different particles
Maybe changing the vibration of the photon (or changing something basic) forms the molecules of the object
hasty surge
Opps it's the particle that vibrates right?
autumn lynx
but it's all a theory
calm shuttle
Widow maker is half spider
valid shell
@calm shuttle Source?
autumn lynx
@calm shuttle There is no evidence to support that
plucky smelt
she just has a lot of references to spiders, there's nothing saying she is a spider at all
errant void
It's all in her short, she said she was told as a child that spiders felt no emotion, that they only felt alive before a kill. After her brainwashing, that's how she feels. And, you know... The mariticide. That part too
worthy rose
The depth also comes from the fact that she is a Widow
plucky smelt
she's not an actual spider though
plucky smelt
heavy referencing to spiders, but she isn't one
regal coyote
it is like natasha is called the black widow, but sure as hell dont have spider blood/serum/poison in her. (to be exact her upgrade is soemthing derived from capt)
regal coyote
marvel
plucky smelt
no idea who that is
regal coyote
avengers?
plucky smelt
i know what marvel is, i meant natasha
white cobalt
Natasha Romanov aka Black Widow aka Scarlett Johansson (in film)
worthy rose
widowmaker was also a name for a faulty shotgun because the people (mostly men) tried to fix the gun died because they got shot in the head
widowmaker is the nickname for a certain type of racecar where the driver would sit on the rear axel annnnd welll guess what happens when things go wrong?
hasty surge
Oh which brings me the question
We know widow is called widow cause it is a refers to the spider black widow
But why widowmaker, the "maker" part. Surely not the shortgun or the racercar?
cunning ledge
....because she killed her husband
worthy rose
and now kills others
cunning ledge
and probably other husbands
worthy rose
separating them from their marriages
cunning ledge
really not that subtle of a name
worthy rose
She a cold killa now
blocka blocka
she got wololo'd into talon
ahahahahahahahaha
YES
wololo
plucky smelt
she made herself a widow, that's why she's called widowmaker lol
dense estuary
wololo? what does that even mean.
worthy rose
Age of Empires II
It's the sound of the priest
they are able to convert enemy units to your own
terse oak
Let's keep it on topic and not stray too far into shitposting please
dense estuary
the interesting thing is did she know she was even fully working for Talon before the kill. In other settings people can be so well programmed sleepers with brainwashing technique that until that "programming" is triggered they live their life as they always had.
errant void
You're right
She was kidnapped brainwashed, and later found by Overwatch, and returned to her normal life, but a few weeks later, she killed Gerard
last granite
errant void
I think it's relevant, it concerns Widowmaker and her relations with Talon and Overwatch
dire timber
@dense estuary it's indeed likely to be something like that
that she was released, without really knowing what's about to happen
but when the moment came, she was compelled to kill
and that's what she'd remember her mission, and report to Talon after killing Gerard
after which, she completed her training, was subjected to physiology changes, and no longer felt anything
and then kept doing missions for Talon, in order to feel the thrill of a kill
that's pretty much what Blizzard had in mind for Widowmaker, as far as I can tell
rose escarp
nice
dense estuary
depending on how much upkeep Widow needs it could also mean that Talon has a method to keep her from ever being turned.
peak escarp
possibly
errant void
I think we can assume that Talon either maintains an extremely close watch on Widow, or has some method to keep her from returning to her emotions. They slowed her heartbeat, but that doesn't mean she is incapable of emotion any more
peak escarp
she seems to be more restricted when it comes to positive emotions
she expresses anger, frustration and pain well enough
errant void
Hmm, I never thought of that. Her ingame voices are usually pretty angry, or hold a lot of pain them
terse oak
RIP to that guy
peak escarp
I have a theory that Widowmaker is trying to force her positive emotions, by surrounding herself with things that she remembers having strong emotional responses (visiting her husband's grave, moving into her family home, putting up her wedding photo)
And she has enough freedom in Talon to be allowed to do these things
So either they are that confident in her conditioning not breaking, or they don't care if she gets her emotions back
This is semi tied to another theory I have (one with far less evidence) that Reaper has Widowmaker on his team so he can look out for her
rose escarp
or maybe he just needs range in his missions lol
peak escarp
Maybe
errant void
I think there's just so much that we don't know, but that definitely is an interesting theory
lusty crystal
Is it actually possible to be an emotion-less human irl?
hasty surge
No not we know off
The thing is talon doesn't seem to care or even monitor widow if she visit Gerard's grave or not
tranquil sun
@lusty crystal it is possible
dire timber
@dense estuary @errant void I don't think Talon is actively cautious around Widowmaker
after she and finished her training
she basically became just another Talon agent
conditioning or not
at this point, I think she's with Talon willingly
not because of any conditioning that has yet to break - that is way back in the past
@peak escarp I mean, it is possible to always feel hollow, and still be annoyed by something
she can't really get angry, I think
frustrated or annoyed, sure
but anger requires a strong emotional response that Widowmaker just doesn't seem capable of
regal coyote
a darker way to see is that Ger may not be that perfect nice guy we think of.
He is a great agent, but may suffer from anciety and even a bit of PTSD, and may have parttaken in soem form of domestic abuse
In which case, rather than a full brainwash, all it might need is a few fake evidence to emile, a few suggestions and ideas implanted, ans some hidden weaponary/tools given to her.
And next time Ger snapped, the spider lady would have the means to stop him. (unknowingly whatever tools of stopping Ger talon provided is obviously a tool to kill not subdue )
the rest would be simple. you kill someone, no where to go, and was given a contact to "join us" before... and there ou go. they even promise to give you a new life, and to take away the pain and sadness
hasty surge
Hmm which does tie in the fact the widowmaker rebutted ana that she knows nth
valid shell
@regal coyote That would be cheap.
"Oh Gerard had it coming so Widow did nothing wrong."
iron plume
is this a "gerard was abusive" thing again
regal coyote
@valid shell no Ger is not wrong
iron plume
also that shitposting aside
Does Ana think Widow did what she did on her own will? Because that's the only way the "gerard was a fool" line makes sense
and if so it's a perfectly reasonable comeback from widow
regal coyote
he is just stressed, he is a vic too. It is easy for talon to manipulate info to make it seem that "ow is under investigatin by special party" "ger is doing something bad" "ger is hooking up bad plans with evil woman" etc... things that are fake info, easily fed to this lady
it is not ger is evil, he is not.
it also showcase how manipulative talon can be behind the scenes
"you can find it out of yourself. here, you know how to use this truth serum? slip it into his drink, and ask away. Careful not to add too much or there is a small chance of side effect"
tranquil sun
who's Fusionator?
regal coyote
namedrop only
regal coyote
i wonder if the infiltrator cyborg trying to kill ger would show up agaoin
valid shell
Just as long as nobody keeps thinking she's??? an Omnic??????? wearing Human skin?
cunning ledge
she is a human with a prosthetic arm
regal coyote
consider ow was an organization against omnic, security measures to detect omnic is strong at least in structure
so it is easier for a cyborg to blend in
as in human with advanced prosthetic parts
dont have to be genji advanced
valid shell
@hasty surge After the Retribution comic was released, several regulars here kept claiming she was actually an Omnic in disguise, since apparently she has 'dead eyes'.
regal coyote
rereading it again extra large on those panels. Cannot see anything to proof or disproof her being an omnic
All we know for sure is 2 mechanical arms.
on ths side note, since we assume Gabe does care about saving other agents, his action of being human form while he tries to go through the damaged buildings for the survivors would mean that he at least does not ahve the fine control of his ghast forms as in reaper
Sicne he did not use any of his ability despite himt rying to save his friend.
peak escarp
The idea that Gerard was abusive so he had it coming honestly just garbage
there is no evidence of that
Amelie loved Gerard
regal coyote
yes she did
but it is not hard to plant doubt in her against ger
given that at the time ger is in a giant organization tat is in a mega scandel of abusiveing power and running assassination missions type of black ops
and really
i dont think there is much time for amelie to see gerard seeing that he seems to be a hard worker
peak escarp
there is still no evidence of that
I'm tired of people making up edgy headcanons without anything to back them up
dire timber
@regal coyote there's no need for any doubt-planting, honestly
they conditioned her to kill, and report back to Talon
I think it was a very instinctive, almost mechanical on Amelie's end
she was probably somewhat lost and confused after the fact
but then she would quickly remember what her mission was, and what she's supposed to do afterwards
peak escarp
"And next time Ger snapped, the spider lady would have the means to stop him. "
she killed him in his sleep
there was no "snap"
dire timber
at this point, the only thing that can clear up all the misconceptions is a Widowmaker comic
do it, Blizzard
dire timber
I do want to know where Amelie and Gerard were at the time, and what the cover-up was
cause they thought Amelie was dead
not missing, not kidnapped
but dead
I know people are quick to assume death in the OW universe
peak escarp
Overwatch had a big problem with assuming people were dead without a body
Amelie, Ana, Jack, Gabe
dire timber
yep
regal coyote
well for ana at least they might have seen her getting shot in the head
but gabe and jack... really?
regal coyote
i mean theya re important people, you cant just say "oh they die"
at the elast they have to find the dogtag/
oh right she was in a building
peak escarp
Gabe and Jack had a building fall on them - it's a bit more understandable in their case
dire timber
the only thing OW knew about Ana is that she went MIA in hostile territory, and never reported back
regal coyote
then yeah no way they assume she died
regal coyote
well
peak escarp
before being officially declared dead
regal coyote
amile is a civilian dependa so it different
but by military standard jack/gabe/ana should still be MIA really
no body no dog tag
dire timber
Ana was MIA, but I can see why people believed that she died
peak escarp
typically if someone is missing for 7 years, they're declared dead
regal coyote
yes legally yes usually go reasonably missing after 7 years
but that is civilian legal things
peak escarp
for Ana/Jack/Gabe it has only been about 6 years
for Amelie it has been maybe 7 years?
but it had only been about a year when she faced off with Ana
regal coyote
well, in amile case if the evidence is bloody enough (like an explosion or something) then yeah they can assume she died
also how they know he get killed in sleep then in that case
either way the situation is fishy, as usual.
peak escarp
dire timber
I think Amelie is the most problematic - unless they covered it up with a fire or an explosion, there was no reason to think she was killed, as opposed to kidnapped
and with Ana, wouldn't Overwatch attempt to recover her body?
peak escarp
they might have sent in a rescue team afterwards but not found anything
regal coyote
^
but by most military finding nothing would assume MIA
especially consider she is a sniper and works alone by default
dire timber
I think they'd hold onto hope for half a year or so
regal coyote
unofficially the MIA status is usually not altered, partly to keep on giving the dependents benefits as said
and in this case it would help, for paharah really
peak escarp
with as much as Fareeha looked up to her mother, there's no way she would believe she was KIA
regal coyote
when i first read the comic i assume ehr being hit on the head is somewhat noticed by rest of team hence the assumed dead status
peak escarp
she probably believed she was alive somewhere, and had the biggest "I knew it!" moment when she got her letter
regal coyote
that too dr6
another possible but unlikely chance is that they intercept some talon communication saying they took down Ana
in which case it would be believable for Jack and team
dire timber
Ana was probably considered MIA on paper
regal coyote
i think most likely Ana is MIA on paper even now
dire timber
yep
dire timber
Jack and Gabe are probably KIA
peak escarp
having a building fall on you usually does that
regal coyote
yes
regal coyote
but even that usually people without body found is listed missing for years
having said pretty sure it has been years
ana maybe not
may still be officially MIA
dire timber
also, I don't get how Hanzo could've gotten confused about Genji's fate
regal coyote
so Sam might still be recieving depanda pay :3
dire timber
like, what happened?
dire timber
the only way I can think of where it'd make sense is my janitor mole theory
where the Shimada janitor was a Blackwatch operative
regal coyote
unlikely
dire timber
who brought Genji back to Overwatch
regal coyote
you dont dispose of a body like that in asia
not one of your blood
and by tradition, in these cases, once dead, all is forgiven
peak escarp
he probably just cut him up and left him to die
nova elbow
I thought Mercy found him but I could be imagining it (doesn't make a whole lot of sense)
dire timber
... someone has to clean up the body though
peak escarp
and assumed he was dead when he came back later and the body was gone
peak escarp
@nova elbow Overwatch found him and brought him to Mercy, yes
regal coyote
maybe ow is on the way when they fight
dire timber
uh, what do you mean, on the way?
regal coyote
there is chance genji is working with ow in one way or another already at the time
dire timber
and what cliff
regal coyote
like, as colab on stuff
dire timber
they fought in the Shimada castle
peak escarp
the Shimadas were already under surveillance when they fought
nova elbow
castle? it's probably on a cliff
dire timber
they fought inside, there's a cut tapestry in there
regal coyote
yes but the cut tapestry may not be the palce of the last hit
dire timber
like I said, personally, I think Shimada janitor was a Blackwatch mole
maybe even McCree specifically
regal coyote
you cant take both legs, an arm and parts of the body in a single hit
=.= knowing mccree's acting skills.
dire timber
he'd play the part just fine
regal coyote
for fure 
peak escarp
continue McCree's trend of taking jobs for missions? 😂
errant void
I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a mole in the Shimada clan, but
regal coyote
an obvious foreign looking guy walking around going"mada hello sir -sama, you want the body-a to be move-s to nani?"
dire timber
so he just covertly takes him to Overwatch
and then just tells Hanzo that he got rid of the body
regal coyote
my guess is genji knows people of overwatch before that fateful fight
hence they fix him up
and turns out it is indeed a good investment, as genji repay ow by finishing off shimada's criminal empire, both as a payment and his own revenge
peak escarp
"The global security force saw Genji as a potential asset in its ongoing operations to combat the Shimada clan. As Genji's injuries left him clinging to life, Overwatch offered to rebuild his body in exchange for his help."
dire timber
@regal coyote I mean, yeah, they could obviously tell that he's a unkempt-looking foreigner
peak escarp
this implies that he wasn't already helping them
dire timber
that's why he'd be there as a janitor
peak escarp
their alliance started when they gave Genji his body
regal coyote
that implies they knwo who genji si in the first place
peak escarp
yes, because they've been watching the Shimada clan
errant void
They were watching the Shimada clan
brisk harbor
They knew the shimada clan
peak escarp
they've been wanting to take it down for a while
errant void
what doctor said lol
regal coyote
makes sense
dire timber
Sojiro
brisk harbor
Oh
hasty surge
@valid shell that's an interesting observation tho, I'll be sure to go back and read the comic again
dire timber
@peak escarp I hate how that description made it seem like they wouldn't save his life if he didn't agree
another dumb headcanon
errant void
Mercy would have
peak escarp
I see it more as
errant void
I doubt she wouldn't
dire timber
that was thankfully eliminated in Retribution
peak escarp
Mercy had already saved his life, but he was a cripple
dire timber
yep
regal coyote
i would think the story is yet another simplified "unreliable atlas news"type
dire timber
that's the idea
peak escarp
Overwatch offered him a way to become able-bodied again
regal coyote
more like "extra abled body"
peak escarp
which was basically confirmed by Retribution
valid shell
Overwatch lore is so sparse that I don't want to also have to doubt canon sources for being "unreliable".
regal coyote
cause having an able mechanical body does not cost much relatively in universe
having a super agile one like genji is different
dire timber
I hate people pushing that idea of Atlas being inherently unreliable
errant void
Sombra got her cybernetic enhancements in what looked like a backroom tattoo parlor, so I think it comes with the reality of the world that such things are common
dire timber
Hamster over here tried to use it to contest what little we actually know about omnics during the Omnic Crisis
regal coyote
Atlas is an in universe News Agency
dire timber
I know
regal coyote
they do not lie, but they can only report what they can find as a news agency
dire timber
yes, I know
valid shell
I'm sure simple, chunky, prosthetics like McCree and Junkrat's arms aren't uncommon, and aren't hard to make, in Junkrat's case. But overpowered or lightweight prosthetics like Doomfist or Genji are likely one of a kind.
regal coyote
so many of the internal things are obviously hidden or classified to them
same goes for things like genji's whole story
so atlas get the official version of everything
errant void
I agree with Binge, the quality and the ability of the prosthetics most likely limits their usability
dire timber
they don't know Genji's story at all though
they only see him as "that mysterious cyborg ninja of the Venice incident"
that's all they've ever knew of him
and he's gotten a new armor since
valid shell
Junkrat's arm just pulls his trigger, and McCree only fans his hammer.
Neither seem to have much strength of fidelity.
Then again, McCree's arm does bend metal...
peak escarp
they're basically at the level of today's advanced prosthetics (maybe a little stronger in McCree's case)
errant void
But compared to the prosthetics of Doomfist and Genji, they're still fairly simple
regal coyote
even junkrat's arm is functionally mroe advanced than what ewe have, but then it is the future so it is mroe than likely
valid shell
What's interesting is that the only prosthetic arm with Genji's level of fidelity and finer motor control is Symmetra's, which bears a striking resemblance to Genji's limbs, complete with the three valve/piston/things on the shoulder.
regal coyote
but yes genji's thing is one of a kind super upgrade
and forget about doomfist, he is different. he is basically a evil batmn when it comes to resources
valid shell
And Symmetra has a technological monolith backing her.
regal coyote
he owns a biotic parts specialized company so to speak
dire timber
@valid shell is this another "Vishkar made all the tech" theory time
regal coyote
nope
dire timber
phew
dire timber
I think it's the other way, honestly - Vishkar using Overwatch tech as base
and then focusing on specialization
errant void
It's Vishkar, it wouldn't surprise anyone
valid shell
But yeah, Doomfist and Torbjorn don't factor into this, since both have exceptional circumstances when it comes to augmentation. Torbjorn has his guild and his own renowned expertise, and Doomfist has a one-of-a-kind artifact and a successful prosthetics company in his pocket.
regal coyote
i would say that level of agility is not ahrd
dire timber
Vishkar aren't the only ones using hard-light, but they are the only ones capable of turning hard-light into solid objects
stuff like that
regal coyote
in case of symmetra it is a whole different beast, being able to mmenipulate hard light
so yeah with resources life like body replacements is more common.
valid shell
McCree likely has connections, Junkrat has his own savant engineering, Symmetra has a sponsor, Genji is Overwatch's augmentation magnum opus...
regal coyote
if you think ana's old biotic eye is super high tech even
runic scroll
do we know what exactly makes symmetra so special? is it the size of things she can make? diversity of things she can make? the complexity?
runic scroll
is she literally just "she's the best"
peak escarp
" She quickly grasped the applications of the technology and was one of the top students in her class. Satya approached hard-light manipulation differently than her peers, with their more procedural, mechanical constructions, instead weaving her constructs in the motions of the traditional dance of her homeland."
she was just a natural at manipulating hard light, and picked it up faster than her peers
valid shell
She's supposed to apparently incorporate traditional dancing into her hard light construction, but she's also Autistic and very meticulous and detail-oriented.
And those things are kinda at odds with each other.
runic scroll
so we just know that "she's good and does things differently"
as far as her credential goes
valid shell
Especially since she doesn't seem to have fond memories of her homeland, but apparently retains dancing?
It's all kinda eclectic.
runic scroll
i wonder to what degree McCree can physically compete against Reaper and Soldier
valid shell
runic scroll
like how much better are the super soldiers
peak escarp
ah
valid shell
People don't usually use stench for fond memories.
peak escarp
she could still love her culture even if she doesn't love her hometown
runic scroll
and would zarya be stronger than the super soldiers still, or are they pretty much beyond human limits
valid shell
I feel they're comparable, but in different weight classes.
I'm sure she could overpower Jack (though maybe not in his prime) but he's got all around better stamina and speed.
runic scroll
yeah, i'm just curious in terms of physical strength
valid shell
He's got a +3 in Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution, while Zarya has something closer to a +5, +2, and +2.
runic scroll
i mean, if they were going against each other in an all out war, i'm sure soldier would run circles around zarya
brisk harbor
What about Winston primal form
runic scroll
simply because jack has so much experience and expertise
and likely avoid any situation where he even needs any physical strength outside of moving himself efficiently and using his weapons
valid shell
Jack is the ideal soldier, while Zarya's a hyperspecific specialist.
She's arguably the strongest woman alive, and able to lift a weapon unintended for infantry, but she's still not a career soldier.
runic scroll
right
that's why i was initially only comparing the strength part
my question was pretty much "how big of an improvement is the super soldier project"
valid shell
We don't know.
runic scroll
is rein supposed to be stronger than zarya?
short scaffold
I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be
valid shell
He is.
valid shell
Although, considering he's described as his body 'breaking down', there might be a point where she's stronger.
runic scroll
cool
valid shell
And I'm not talking about when he's on his deathbed.
runic scroll
he's just a big guy though, right? no augmentations as far as we know?
nova elbow
yeah I imagine the suit does a lot of the work for him
but he's still lifting that hammer on his own
runic scroll
other than his suit, of course
valid shell
We don't know, but looking at how fuckhuge all the Crusaders are, I wouldn't be surprised if the Germans also had some supersoldier program.
valid shell
But they likely prioritized strength and mass to suit heavy machinery, while America just wanted the ideal barebones combat boots soldier.
runic scroll
i still wish jack's "soldier 76" was a name he gave himself or given by the media or something
not a literal codename along with reyes being 24 or whatever it was
valid shell
It is a little silly.
runic scroll
it makes it look like jack wears his jacket BECAUSE he's 76
valid shell
Did he specifically steal a motocross jacket with a 76 on it? Or sew it himself?
runic scroll
not that he didn't care and wore whatever he wanted
and people started calling him that
not wanted, but whatever suited his needs and was available
valid shell
That would have been better, but whatever. Blizzard made their bed.
runic scroll
yeah i feel like his character is the type that doesn't care what he's called as long as his identity remains unknown
also, do we know why reyes is so obsessed with the concept of death
like an official source
not a reddit post just connecting his cultural background and "death because mexican"
peak escarp
Soldier's identity is hardly unknown
"Soldier is Jack Morrison" is like the biggest theory in the OW world
regal coyote
^
runic scroll
i didn't mean that his identity is actually unknown
regal coyote
on zarya vs rein, i actually think at the current poin in time zarya might even have better strength than rein
runic scroll
i meant he wouldn't care which pseudonym he would use
peak escarp
ah
runic scroll
as long as it's not "Mack Jorrison" or something like that lol
regal coyote
but obviously rein is more well versed in melee combat, adn have much mroe experience towards his kill count
at each prime though, young rein might even be stronger
runic scroll
i feel like it's very well likely that rein would be stronger in his prime compared to zarya's prime
just the sheer size
valid shell
I don't know if Reinhardt has conventional military experience, though.
valid shell
I couldn't imagine him in basic training with an H&K.
regal coyote
pretty sure they have some form of official training
runic scroll
well, rein has the bundeswehr skin
that says he was in some kind of german military i think
that seems separate from crusader armor
regal coyote
i would say the same for zarya, she is also used to specialized equipment. hell her weapon of choice is something made for a small armored vehicle
valid shell
They're different in the sense that Zarya became an icon for her people, while Reinhardt and the rest of the Crusaders were engineered to be celebrated.
runic scroll
do you guys think Winston has all the rights that a human does?
regal coyote
yes
runic scroll
would he be kind of treated like an omnic, better, or worse?
valid shell
I don't know.
He might be legally considered an Overwatch asset and impounded within Watchpoint Gibraltar.
runic scroll
yeah that's what i'm curious about
regal coyote
at oleast for winston, not sure about other gorilla
runic scroll
for all intents and purposes, he can do pretty much anything that a human can do and probably better in a lot of things
but he's not "human"
regal coyote
my guess is at least for winston ow sorted it out to give him some legal rights so he is at least omnic or more
runic scroll
which is the same concern with the omnics
valid shell
There's really nothing to suggest Winston has any kind of citizenship other than the fact that some kids recognize him as an Overwatch hero.
Reaper even suggests that he scares children.
regal coyote
also the newsfeed on some of the map mentions winston and tracer bak in action
so yeah he is known as a hero
but i think even so he is a special case though
nova elbow
yeah he might just be beyond the law, and was just protected by Overwatch's special status
regal coyote
sometimes, when you are hero, youg et treated speciallly
exception to the norm
like how many country have laws where nerolic act might grant citizenship and what not
probably there is some special status of being human-isque granted to winston
seeing he is a sensation probably even
valid shell
It's easy to assume he was granted rights, but as of yet, and considering his living situation, there's no hard evidence.
regal coyote
that said, same cannot be said for hammond
valid shell
Hammond's exposure to civilization was through Junkertown.
All outlaws.
So definitely not.
regal coyote
i always wonder the legal status of the junker area
obviously the omnics are not in charge anymore, they are a bit splitted to say the least
runic scroll
i'd assume it's like a place where it's illegal but they're left alone because it'd be worse if it broke down
and whatever it contained went everywhere
valid shell
That's the trouble of Blizzard trying to include multiple futuristic genres in one setting.
regal coyote
and pretty sure a fallout like that is known to the world so everyone knows those omnics are toasted
now is there any diplomatic ties or truce between the Junker ruling party and the greater aussie as a whole?
valid shell
We don't know.
runic scroll
i feel like it's just something that the government refuses to acknowledge but also not bother as long as Junkertown keeps things at a reasonable level
similar to a lot of crime centers in the world now
regal coyote
well it wont be under aussie rule cause the aussie government (being wimps) GIVE IT UP to the omnics, so it is not under their rule
but do they recognize the new human leaders of the area?
runic scroll
if you break it down, whatever it contains spreads everywhere to an unmanageable level, AND something else will try to fill its vacuum
maybe the Junkers ARE the de facto rulers?
regal coyote
that is what i think
runic scroll
or is there still actual civilization in AU
regal coyote
they would be the de facto leaders
i mean, even if you actually force some kind of election by UN on the area you still would get something like Junker Queen
dense estuary
we know from the JR comic that Sydney is still there as a proper modern city.
regal coyote
rest of aussie is actually quite advanced, minus one blown up building
ok, TWo blown up buildings
regal coyote
but the map is
runic scroll
in that case, i would rather stick to the "junkertown is left alone as a container for the outlaws"
iron plume
it isn't
regal coyote
it is showing the landscape basically of the comic
iron plume
well yes in this case because we have a second confirmation
regal coyote
my point
iron plume
the map itself doesn't do it
dense estuary
I figure as long as the junkers do not bother the coastal cities the government has bigger fish to fry
iron plume
there's also just not that many junkers
realistically
and it's likely that few of them go far out
regal coyote
that is most likely the case, and prettty sure the junkers know better
was wondering if there is something like trades between the two in any official capacity
runic scroll
idk what exactly would be traded though
what do the junkers have that would be wanted by the rest of AU?
as an official trade, not black market
iron plume
I very much doubt they have official trades
runic scroll
junkers would just salvage stuff from the rest of AU as their name suggests
dense estuary
Officially probably not a lot other than salvage. Unofficially I am sure they move tons of black market shit.
dire timber
we do know that Winston was a renowned scientist
regal coyote
^
dire timber
I think that in light of his contributions, there would likely be countries willing to grant him citizenship
regal coyote
I still think he has some form of full human status
probably higher than the omnics even, if only cause he is a hero
brazen flare
He would still be hated by people like any minority
valid shell
There's being a minority, then there's being the only of his kind.
Try not to simplify things for the sake of a relatable allegory pls.
nova elbow
yeah I was gonna say, minority seems a bit generous
regal coyote
actually in winston's case hewould be adored. if anything as an exotic one of a kind
brazen flare
He gets all the ladys
stoic eagle
brisk harbor
Winston is just a nice dude in general
regal coyote
@brazen flare no
no ladies, maybe female omnic
any female humans trying to ride winston should be shot on sight. =.=
but yeah winston is a sweet dude
kinda sad he is so alone
errant void
But to what extent of intelligence must something have to be considered "human"?
brazen flare
Winston is basiclaly human and he is smarter than some humans
errant void
Maybe that isn't very lore-ly, but it's just something about his character I would like to know
dire timber
... what is?
errant void
The other message didn't send sorry
If Winston has, at least very least, human intelligence, and has human status, would people oppose that as much as they opposed the human-ship of Omnics?
peak escarp
currently, certain groups are very pro-personhood when it comes to great apes and whales
I imagine that would continue in the future
dire timber
in the world of Overwatch, Winston is widely regarded as a person, and a brilliant scientist
and if his scientific contributions made a country accept him as a citizen, then he got legal personhood as well
timid eagle
Shame that he will never find a mate, what with him being (quite literally) a one of a kind type of fella.
dire timber
I mean, there is a couple of potential mates on Horizon, if they ever get to pacify all the apes up there
timid eagle
I always got the impression that the genetic conditioning that Winston went through was mostly successful for him. With him having cognitional thought and the like.
Most of the other subjects seem to be more prime ape than human.
timid eagle
And impulsive to their urges.
regal coyote
plus we dont know exactly what happened, how most of the apes are treated,e tc.
We know Dr. Winston is a great and loving scientist, but not much about the rest.
So we dont know how smart the rest of thr crowd are
IT does seem to be a space opera parody of planet of the apes
frosty shell
As for Soldier's code name
Perhaps the army figured out who he was, and started using his code name to describe him
We don't seem to know when he started wearing the "76" jacket
errant void
@timid eagle that's what i thought, that the experiments done were most successful on Winston. I think the other apes are equally intelligent, but retained more of their primal urges
frosty shell
It's possible he started wearing it after he got the name
errant void
Well, Reaper was once known as Soldier 24, so I always assumed it was just a nickname or codename that stuck
frosty shell
It definitely is
But if the people didn't know that 76 was Morrison, it would've been kind of strange to call him Soldier: 76
peak escarp
I thought the name came first
like, that's what he called himself, so the media picked it up
frosty shell
Fading Glory merely says "A masked vigilante whom authorities have named 'Soldier: 76' "
But it's not impossible that Morrison started calling himself that first
errant void
Maybe it's just a random name given to him
frosty shell
However, you'd think the article would've said "A masked vigilante calling himself Soldier: 76" if Morrison wanted people to call him that
errant void
That's what it sounds like there, that it was a nickname given to him by the police, and he just began to be known as that
limpid agate
The article is old, and the explanation makes no sense in universe
The media is credited with giving him the nickname
But obviously, that isnt the case anymore
frosty shell
Well, the authorities are credited with giving him the nickname
Which makes slightly more sense
It could well be that only the soldiers themselves knew their code names
So the records were entered in as "Soldier: 76"
errant void
Well, I did some looking, and America's Tricentennial Day of Independence is in the year 2076 so... ?
peak escarp
there is a precedent for the info in the bios being not exactly accurate
peak escarp
like Mei being found frozen vs. waking up alone
peak escarp
so other pre-beta sources are subject to corrections too
frosty shell
Or maybe not
errant void
But like I said, in my opinion it has absolutely no meaning, and it is a nickname he was either given or had picked up. Soldier 76 is a nameless nickname, and would fit the masked vigilante thing. He doesn't want people knowing who he is
I've also heard people say he was the 76th soldier to go through the super soldier program so... Take that as you will
limpid agate
Whatever the reason was before
peak escarp
if Reyes was Soldier #24 from the SEP, it matches the pattern for Jack to be Soldier #76
limpid agate
It has been retconned to the latter.
errant void
That was my thought, Doctor
peak escarp
but we've been told that that's the case
frosty shell
If I recall correctly, Metzen's original Soldier: 76 comic had "Soldier: 76" as a codename
peak escarp
Reyes being Soldier 24 confirms it
frosty shell
So it's possible that was always the intention
limpid agate
That's not how it was written the first time
frosty shell
But it is hard to reconcile "The authorities call him Soldier: 76" with "His codename was Solider: 76"
As I said, it's not impossible that his codename was a secret to most people
Or the theory I mentioned earlier that the army knows who he is but doesn't want to tell people
frosty shell
It could just be that Soldier was careless and got a jacket identifying what his old code name was
He could also have assumed that no one knew what his code name was, considering that he likely thought Reyes was dead
peak escarp
With the information we have now, it's a bit of circular logic
S76 wears a jacket with 76 on it because the authorities call him Soldier 76, and they call him that because he wears a jacket with 76 on it
frosty shell
Well, he could wear a jacket with 76 because that was his code name
peak escarp
He could
frosty shell
That would make it less circular
peak escarp
But what I said is the explanation Blizzard has given us
frosty shell
Blizzard didn't give a real explanation
peak escarp
Someone quoted it above
peak escarp
There's a source for new heroes he haven't really considered
How about another former SEP member
Maybe one that didn't end up a hero
peak escarp
Buzzkill
limpid agate
Ok
peak escarp
I'd still like more information about the SEP
limpid agate
We already have too many potential MEKA characters. SEP has no known npcs, 2 playable heroes, and no development or request for development
Even the crusaders, we learned of just Balderich
And he deid
peak escarp
It's called worldbuilding
Not every npc is a potential hero
I want more info on the crusaders too
Are they still around? Or did they get disbanded after the omnic crisis?
limpid agate
This is all in direct response to your
There's a source for new heroes he haven't really considered
How about another former SEP member
And more about Los Muertos - what are they up to these days? Are they still working with Sombra?
But the SEP is something they could use
We don't know how many soldiers there were, or how many are still alive today
Having heroes from one source doesn't rule out getting new ones from the same source
Or we wouldn't have gotten Ana, Sombra, Doomfist, Moira, Brigitte or Wrecking Ball
And people are clamouring for Junker Queen, Max and Sanjay, all characters from groups he have heroes for already
limpid agate
Talon/Overwatch are different than SEP
And 3 is different than 2.
I agree on the Queen
But of those, she is the only one thats comparable
And unlike an unknown SEP character, the Queen is one of the most requested heroes in the past year
peak escarp
I'm not saying "SEP hero confirmed"
limpid agate
I know what you are saying
You want to learn more
And it can potentially lead to a hero
peak escarp
I'm just saying it's a possibility people don't usually consider
The only characters that I'd consider off limits to become heroes are characters confirmed to be dead
Antonio, Gerard, Harold, etc
Or characters who are underage, like Efi
dire timber
I think the dumbest thing regarding SEP was people claiming that Soldier: 24 is proof that there was 100 super soldiers
cause 24+76=100
peak escarp
That's idiotic
There could be any number of soldiers
Even less than 76, if they were like Horizon and didn't number things sequentially
dire timber
yep
right now, we don't even know for sure if there were more than two
personally, I don't envision more than a dozen
frosty shell
I do think that Blizzard could've come up with Soldier: 24 by taking 100-76
peak escarp
I think the SEP had maybe 100s of soldiers who were recruited and experimented on, but maybe only 1-2 dozen who survived to see combat
dire timber
I'm thinking smaller numbers
less than 80 recruits, and no more than a dozen by the end
peak escarp
This is a topic is like to see expanded on
Even if it is in the past
It would be a great subject for a novelization
I wish they'd change their mind on doing novels
frosty shell
As for the numbers, they could be random
SEAL Team Six was named because they wanted to create the impression that there were more SEAL teams than there actually were
Also, just found out that 79 people were involved in the raid that killed Bin Laden
Does make it seem somewhat strange how the 2 Overwatch missions we saw involved only 4 members on the ground
peak escarp
They started out as a small strike team of 6 people
During their height they sent out more people - in the Uprising comic Torbjorn is surprised it's just the 4 of them
peak escarp
timid eagle
The small hints of what the Omnic Crisis could've been during the Uprising Event was a fun look.
peak escarp
The way he phrases it makes me think big teams are the norm
And small teams is how they used to operate, before OW got big
timid eagle
Good point.
frosty shell
Theory: McCree was pardoned after his involvement in a successful Overwatch operation
The one from the image in Are You With Us?
He quit Overwatch immediately afterwards, because the only reason he'd stayed on was because he had no other choice
The reason why he's still in hiding is because of some other criminal involvement, perhaps?
IDK
valid shell
@frosty shell But he was in Overwatch for over 5 years.
Also, that picture is noncanon now.
Young Jack, Gabe, Ana, but old Reinhardt, with Winston and Tracer present?
frosty shell
It's not non-canon, it's just that Jack and Ana are too young
valid shell
Gabe too.
timid eagle
Gabe had given a teenage McCree two options, after the Deadlock gang was abandoned. He either rots in prison, or he joins Overwatch under his wing.
frosty shell
And him too
valid shell
If you listen to McCree's dialogue in Retribution, he's not in Overwatch because of some obligation.
frosty shell
McCree must've been given some sort of pass if he showed up at that ceremony
valid shell
He honestly thinks he's fighting the good fight.
frosty shell
And he didn't used to have a problem with Overwatch
But after the Venice Incident, he started having doubts
And perhaps Gabe told him he couldn't leave because he would be arrested
timid eagle
In either case, the Venice incident had made him doubt the organization as a whole.
valid shell
So he didn't "quit Overwatch immediately afterwards, because the only reason he'd stayed on was because he had no other choice"
He was on for a while, and went on multiple missions.
frosty shell
That's what I was saying
dense estuary
Overwatch teams might have been extremely small because even a multiple aircraft movement might have been easy to see for Omnics
After all an AI is far less likely to miss a few odd blips on radar and can send a mindless drone to check faint echos
naive lark
is smurf a bad thing or a nromal thing blizzard dosent care about
plain cradle
@naive lark #overwatch
I wonder if they are going to make any other characters parents and/or children part of the lore
errant void
Hmm... Parents, I don't think so. But children, yes
plain cradle
well, I am still banking that Liao or howeveryou spell it will eventually be added as a playable hero
and I wonder if they'll surprise us that he is someone's parent
tawny patio
I doubt more parental relations tbh
Simply because most of the characters from old Overwatch are either not in a relationship that we know of, or are simply..beyond a point or never came to a point in their life where it was viable to have kids
limpid agate
I dont think Liao will be anyone's parent
Mei was born 40 years ago
Would have been 10 around the time of the crisis, and theres no mention of familial relation.
While the family we did get was typically known at some point. If we do get more family, it wont be out of nowhere
Itll be told in advance, like Genji/Ana/Brig
plain cradle
hmm that's a good point
but it's just interestingf that we know nothing about liao other than that they exist
like we dont even know their gender or ethnicity or anything
limpid agate
We know their surname
plain cradle
yeah that is true
limpid agate
廖 is a Chinese surname.
plain cradle
Yeah butI just wonder if we will actually know more about them or not
I also speculate/hope that we find out more about maximillien
limpid agate
I also want to learn more about Max and Sanjay
regal coyote
For Liao it can be anything really
We only know 2 things 1) one of the Six Founders, 2) Liao sounds chinese, and can be a chinese familyname.
So yeah technically can be anything from a bit younger than Jack to much much older.
We would assume human due to nature of first omnic war
Also note that all theese chinese stuff is phonetic translation, so it so happens one of the common familyname is also spelt liao, it can bt other words.
regal coyote
That is also to assume standard spelling for phonetic translation. Chinese outside mainland china area do not follow their phonetic translation and have different ones in different places.
Oh wow, dont know they had an official chinese word for it.
limpid agate
The pronunciation Liao is Mandarin
regal coyote
in which case it is a familyname for sure
limpid agate
Its popular in Taiwan
regal coyote
It is a decently popular family name, not the biggest ones yes. Think it is of similar pronounciation in cantonese and a few other dialacts, though it can be pisss for all it is (yes I HAVE to make that joke on it)
regal coyote
ever think that there is still a piece of lore clue around we have somewhat forgotten?
Somehow I think there is mroe reason to it when ti comes to Sombra rleeasing Ana's Skull scan of her injury
timid eagle
With regards to Junkenstein lore (and I know this is a folklore tale that Reinhardt either cooked up or otherwise), Reyes's place on the villains' team as "the Reaper," and keeps coming back. It might not have been a stretch to suggest that the commander of Blackwatch had an unsavory reputation, but calling him "the Reaper" may suggest a bit more history behind Reyes's post-whatever-happened name.
Any thoughts?
regal coyote
nope
lots of people dont evven exist to rein's knowledge, like symmetra
so it is a tall tale
it was like the wwhole mercy/witch is evil hence angela is evil thing, which has no relation to ow lore
limpid agate
He told the story back when Overwatch was alive
regal coyote
so yeah junkenstein is a story by rein, and it is a reality within a reality
junkenstein story does not reflect ow lore at large
regal coyote
hell to be exact he tells it when Ana iss till around.
and at the time trashmouse is not even out in the world at large
he still sneaking in junker's realm
stoic eagle
i mean
a hero we've heard anything about in the past would be nice
kinda tiring with the irrelevant ones
orisa has no impact on the story
and hammond is
well
uh
tawny patio
I agree story has stalled but worldbuilding only expands
Wrecking Ball was big let down tho
dire timber
@timid eagle Junkenstein is a messy one, but it's more an AU than anything else
the characters are based on Overwatch heroes, and that includes stuff that Rein shouldn't know anything about
timid eagle
Ah.
dire timber
the way I think of it is that the broader Junkenstein story exists as its own thing, while only the part featured in the comic is a story that was told within the main OW universe
and the story in question doesn't come with any visuals, so Rein didn't actually imagine the Witch as Mercy
Junkenstein and zomnics could've been based on Junkers and omnics, but not on Junkrat specifically
etc.
more likely not even Junkers - just a Franknestein that had been building machines from junk
pine plinth
dire timber
shitposting will result in loss of access
regal coyote
speaking of which, omnics aside, hammond is the only one that does not wear pants
if you knotice winston always wear shorts at least
cunning ledge
people believe whatever they want to for ships
but that's not what this channel is for
native kayak
We’re free to have our own headcannons lol
fleet dust
🖖🏻
peak escarp
you're free to have them, but you're not free to discuss them here
errant void
Headcannons =/= lore
peak escarp
depending on whether the plating on his body counts as clothes
because in Reflections, you can see him wearing pants
at least to me it looks like pants
could just be lazy drawing and not filling in all the details
errant void
I think it's just the way it's drawn, too
viral sequoia
Genji has no legs
errant void
I don't think he would wear clothing over his prosthetics, they aren't technically, you know... pieces of him, if that makes sense
cunning ledge
they didn't even bother giving him the writing on his chest
and the pectoral armour plates look horrible
peak escarp
or you could try the artist?
regal coyote
It might be some metalic briefs but still sorta pants-ish
I mean Chu confirmed that genji's sausage and eggs are still there, and obviously we are not seeing it. So yeah, some sort of pants.
peak escarp
he's got some external plating to hide/protect his squishy bits
I wouldn't really count that as clothes though
errant void
can we not say penis
limpid agate
Pretty much
Just look at Blackwatch Genji
He's nude, the metallic parts are his body
peak escarp
it annoys me that Ana has a codename, but it isn't used as her hero name
every other hero with a codename uses that instead of their real name
iron plume
Shrike isn’t really a code name though
it’s what she’s called by media, but we don’t see herself or her partners ever referring to her as such
the others with non-name hero names are either code names from their organizations or personas they accept
regal coyote
isnt S76 what the media calls him instead also?
but ana not the only one with real name though
peak escarp
plenty of heroes use their real name
she's just the only one who uses her real name but also has an alias
tawny patio
Don’t the comics present that Ana always preferred to be known by Ana anyway
Mmmm maybe cinematic
I really can’t remember
But I feel like it was directly mentioned she prefers Ana
valid shell
@tawny patio I don't think anybody knows that Shrike = Ana.
Anybody except Jack and Gabe.
Fareeha knows she's alive, but might not know her moniker.
frosty shell
I guess
iron plume
could be as simple as living in Egypt
frosty shell
Also, I think it's possible that even if she was born with her father's last name, she might've used her mother's because she had a stronger conncection to her
peak escarp
I think the implication is that Ana and Sam were never married
native kayak
Did Fareeha grow up on the Overwatch bases where Ana was stationed?
frosty shell
Probably, somewhat
peak escarp
seems like it
we don't know much about Fareeha's upbringing, but she was close enough with the core OW crew to call them by first names
Jack, Gabriel, etc.
native kayak
Ah, that’s true
frosty shell
Pharah doesn't seem to have known her father very well; there's a voiceline where she just calls him "Sam"
native kayak
And ice fish with Reinhardt
native kayak
Oh tru tru
iron plume
the line where she calls him by the name may well just be an in-game namedrop
native kayak
It’s nice she went to Canada to spend christmas with her father as an adult at least
peak escarp
there doesn't seem to be any animosity between Fareeha and Sam, but it also doesn't seem like they're close
native kayak
I wonder how Ana met Sam
peak escarp
people with close relationships with their parents don't usually call them by first name
@native kayak that's a story I'd like to see
it would give us more background on both Sam and Ana
native kayak
I’m sure they’ll delve more into it some day
I think they made Sam of first nations descent to justify her raindancer skins tbh
But there’s no way to prove that
peak escarp
I think it's the other way around
Fareeha was written with a First Nation's background, which inspired the Raindancer/Thunderbird skins
I remember it being mentioned in an early panel or interview that Pharah's parents were an Overwatch leader and a Canadian civil servant
iron plume
it's still a post-release one so we don't really know the cause and effect there
that said does it really matter
peak escarp
not particularly
I'm just happy to see something familiar represented in one of the biggest games
native kayak
Maybe they did write it in, but it comes off as an afterthought to me, although it makes sense Fareeha would be more adamant about her egyptian heritage then her first nations heritage
Apparently roadhog is polynesian?
Like maori or something from new zealand
peak escarp
it's one of the commonly accepted theories
particularly considering most of the other ethnic skins for other heroes have a connection to their background
Genji's Bedouin/Nomad are a bit of an exception, but it does connect to his time wandering the world to find himself, so it's not completely baseless
peak escarp
I forgot about those
native kayak
@iron plume Oof true that
peak escarp
I was referring just to base legendaries
tepid abyss
what about noire skin?
peak escarp
Zenyatta's Ra/Sunyatta could be a reference to how the Egyptians called the sun "the eye of Ra"?
eye = iris?
a bit of a stretch
iron plume
not more than Genji's
also Mercy's ones with Swedish mythology
it obviously has a connection through "valkyrie"
native kayak
That’s definitely not out of left field tho
iron plume
but Pharah's with thunderbird isn't that far off
peak escarp
Widowmaker's Noire doesn't count as a base skin since it's a bonus skin
it's just cyberpunk
iron plume
my point is they don't have a problem using cultural influences
native kayak
Unrelated but are the summer sprays canon... did pharah play soccer and moira play tennis lmao
iron plume
from cultures other than the heroes' own
if it makes thematic sense and is cool
Pharah's would make thematic sense even if she wasn't native american
peak escarp
true
iron plume
it also lets me shout "touchdown seahawks" when I get play of the game so i always appreciate that
peak escarp
lol
oh right - Widowmaker's Noire skin is where that terrible "Widowmaker is black" theory started
iron plume
it's a pretty important if
peak escarp
but with a name like Reyes it's pretty likely
limpid agate
@native kayak Most likely not canon
native kayak
I think Hollywood is somewhat Reaper’s map cause he’s from LA?
limpid agate
Same location != Their map
iron plume
Thing is there's plenty of ethnically hispanic people who have a very tenuous connection with their origin culture
peak escarp
eh
limpid agate
Lijiang is not Mei's map
iron plume
we don't even know if reaper speaks spanish
limpid agate
Hollywood is not Reaper's
peak escarp
he doesn't really have any connection to it though
limpid agate
Ana doesnt even have connection to Anubis. Her map is Necropolis
iron plume
Hollywood is as much reaper's map as blizzardworld lul