Everyone fought the Omnic Crisis, homie.
#lore-discussion
valid shell
It was worldwide.
Not a single country was unaffected.
Also, like 75% of the playable roster didn't fight in the Omnic Crisis.
Do we know what Japan did in the Crisis? How about Switzerland?
Yet the heroes from both those regions are pretty interesting nonetheless.
peak escarp
Only 5 heroes fought in the omnic crisis
Most of the rest of them were teens or younger
valid shell
Yup.
And how most of the countries handled the Crisis isn't even mentioned.
@last sorrel So what said regions did in the Crisis is a complete and total nonfactor.
Lmao
last sorrel
Assuming by the Caribbean we don’t include PR, Cuba, etc, they’re mostly islands with a small population not really connected to much.
I’d be interested if they do it somehow tho
valid shell
It doesn't have to have a huge population for 1 exceptional human to have an interesting enough backstory to be playable.
violet jasper
What about smaller countries with dense populations?
They could make a character for Bangladesh, considering how densely populated it is
valid shell
That would be great, considering how many sci-fi possibilities there are for population booms in small areas.
Subterranean cities, airborne cities...
In the case of the Caribbean, artificial islands.
runic scroll
i wonder if D.Mon is also a professional gamer
there's no lore saying MEKA is "all" professional gamers, right?
just that they recruited from various fields that would have relevant skill set?
nvm
Scrambling to find suitable candidates, the government turned to the country's professional gamers, who possessed the necessary reflexes and instincts to operate the mechs' advanced weapons systems.
I wonder if D.Mon is in any way related to D.Va, like same clan or something
twilit geode
That would be cool
runic scroll
sounds pretty plausible imo
limpid agate
@runic scroll They're from the same eSports team. King is her rival
last sorrel
Speaking of MEKA, overlord reminds me of Flame.
runic scroll
cool. thanks
potent vapor
going back on the comics topic again, I hope they make a comic on the Meka team
It's probably going to get people to clamor for more Meka heroes though.
valid shell
Subjective.
peak escarp
The only MEKA pilot confirmed to not be an esports player is Casino
He's an F1 driver
It hasn't been said what Overlord's background is, but his codename and drones point to him being an RTS player
Probably SC
dense estuary
poking through the wiki entries one thing confuses me
In the Korean dub of Shooting Star, Dae-hyun and Hana call each other by name, which is only possible if their age is the same. Thus, it can be inferred that Dae-hyun is 19 as well.
As someone who really does not know Korean culture is there some convention for address when there is age difference regardless of friendship status?
peak escarp
they're also very close
and iirc, people who are very close will call each other by first name as well
valid shell
Yeah, whoever wrote that wiki is likely adhering some archaic-ass conventions, saying it is "only possible if their age is the same".
As though they'll be arrested otherwise.
peak escarp
and it has to be exactly the same
valid shell
Sounds like the kind of person who reads an article on Japan and says "YOU WILL BE ARRESTED ON THE SPOT IF YOU HAVE TATTOOS BECAUSE ONLY YAKUZA HAVE TATTOOS."
hasty surge
Though I agree if it was
it is likely that their ages are similar
tawny patio
@dense estuary
In Korean culture there are 4 forms of identifying a person
In short it’s peer, friend, respected person, referring to someone who out ranks a respected person when speaking to a respected person
So their use of their names falls into friend/peer
If I’m not mistaken
I’m still new to Korean
To say they are the exact same is unrealistic but to say he’s 18-20 is highly likely
peak escarp
they're definitely in the same age group
tawny patio
It could also be argued 17 as that is if I’m not mistaken the American version of Korean adulthood
Iirc they call a newborn one year old
But to put him over 21 or under 17 becomes unlikely afaik
peak escarp
American version?
Korean age of adulthood is 19
I would assume all the MEKA pilots are at least 19, because I don't think they'd recruit children into the army
hasty surge
I think teenagers might be considered into training?
regal coyote
@tawny patio No. Calling newborn 1 year old is tradition (folloring traditional chinese rules, as old korean things would), but when it comes to things like official document and ID it follows the international standard.
hasty surge
This really makes things complicated
Following the date of birth makes it alot easier lmao
regal coyote
oldest east asian rules: you are 1 year old when born (but technically not human til 30 days, xx days,e tc)
you get an age older near each lunr new year.
you get an extra x year older instantly if you die (2-3 years)
regal coyote
QUESTION: How accurate is the depiction of inflation in overwatch map
either that, or how evil are those fucking cinemas in overwatch's future.
I mean, a pizza and 2 drinks cost $500 and a bottle of water is $600
worthy rose
600 dollars of a 0.5l bottle of water is hella expensive
Inflation only applies if there is a real-cost associated with the goods or service that shows an increase in costs over time...
What if the pizza and 2 drinks costs $400 to make? How do you know that's inflation?
One would need a tie-in, context or base reference point otherwise.
ebon laurel
What if it's $5.00 and you can't see the dot
(I know this is serious discussion, I'm not trying to make a joke)
worthy rose
No I get what you're saying and you're very valid on the premise that this was the reference point.
nova elbow
that actually doesn't seem that crazy for 60 years' worth of inflation
but I think realistically it's supposed to be $5.00 and you can't see the dot
worthy rose
dot as in decimal?
nova elbow
decimal point, yes
the .
worthy rose
yea thanks 😉
nova elbow
(or , in some countries)
runic scroll
Calling each other by name only when they’re the same age isn’t archaic in Korean
If A and B are same age and are close: call each other by name
Same age but not close at all: name+shi (mr/ms)
A is older than B: A calls B by name, B calls A hyeong (yonger male to older male), noona (younger male to older female), oppa (younger female to older male), unni (younger female to older female)
When their age is close enough
A is much older than B: respective titles
A calls B by name, of course
Even if A and B are very close and their age isn’t far apart at all, it’d be expected that the younger calls the older by hyeong or noona
Although I think it’s entirely possible that Blizz ignored this when they were making the Eng version of this, and the Korean version just translated it
A lot of recent English to Korean translation in a lot of things have been getting English-fied
In the sense that people think it’s fashionable to translate as if it was translated by Google translate or something
Apple commercials are where it started imo
Also, technically dva and daehyun should be calling each other by military ranks since they’re in the military, although they’re by themselves at the time of the short so it’s whatever
Also, idk about China but in Korea, people age by one year (common use, not official use) on Jan 1 on Gregorian calendar
Lunar is only used to figure out holidays, and old people (around 70 years old or so now) use lunar birthdates
And some farmers
Anyway, I can be extremely close to someone who is 1 year older than me, and calling that person by name would be considered pretty rude by the majority of people. It’s entirely possible that dva and daehyun are indeed different ages and they’re okay with calling each other that way, but that would be an extremely rare case in modern Korean and doesn’t reflect Korean culture as a whole at all
worthy rose
Localization isn't easy nor is it cheap and the reason why the English-ified method is widely adopted is because English is the language of commerce.
runic scroll
I’m not asking why it’s happening
And people who aren’t translating their commercial phrases from English are also using it because it’s becoming the norm
Because they think the “fashionable” companies use it, etc
It’s understandable
I’m just saying that I wouldn’t be surprised if Blizzard Korea just translated without thinking about their ages etc
It’s also possible that they just assumed they’re the same age for whatever reason and went with it
cedar moon
Just realized, D.va’s Nano cola could be hacked by Sombra to reveal the government forcing her persona and such 🤔
cunning ledge
What
main parcel
?????????
runic scroll
I think Sol means maybe Sombra could hack the Nano Cola can in that room to use it as a transceiver
But that would require the can to be connected to some kind of network
frosty shell
Sombra seems to be able to hack anything
So Nano Cola cans wouldn't be inconceivable
Also, as for the prices, it may be that the movie theater's goods are just really overpriced
Apparently the prices at Rikimaru are closer to what they are today
Maybe we can try to list the Blizzard Easter Eggs which aren't quite compatible with them existing in universe?
Like the actors Erik Swift, Olaf Stout, and Baelog Fierce
And the Diableaux Hot Sauce
For "Hero Of My Storm" it could just be a pun by the filmmakers
(When was Hero of My Storm filmed anyway? Was it before D. Va joined MEKA?)
I'll assume that the various movies /operas whose titles are robot-related puns on real-world movies are "robot remakes" of the originals
limpid agate
Yup
dire timber
jesus christ, why are people trying to shoehorn Sombra into everything
electronic device does a thing = Sombra confirmed, apparently
worthy rose
Cool story bruh. What does Jesus have to do with your outrage?
tropic stream
in d.va's black cat skin, there is an mark on the gun that says HB50 or H850
does anyone know what this mean?
limpid agate
Probably nothing but Ill take a look
tropic stream
might be a serial number, but in the classic skin i see H050 or HO50
(i have the texture quality on low, sorry)
cunning ledge
it's definitely a B yeah
limpid agate
In all her skins
cunning ledge
limpid agate
Its called an HB50
Nice find, thanks
Its a small little detail that doesnt mean anyhting, but its a nice detail nonetheless
cunning ledge
just another series of random numbers on a gun that doesn't have any further meaning
limpid agate
Like AK47
tropic stream
might be a serial number, because the origin of d.va's gun is military afaik but in the case of other guns based on real ones (like mccree revolver) it does not have one because the origin might be black market
cunning ledge
McCree's gun is said to have been hand crafted by a master gunsmith
or something like that
limpid agate
The Peacekeeper revolver is one of a kind
tropic stream
that matches where mccree operates and the gun laws of that country (usa)
frosty shell
*Hana
worthy rose
but you got my point and didn't answer my question
cunning ledge
the name of the weapon in-game is Light Gun
which is probably a reference to that video game controller thing
the duck hunt one
runic scroll
I thought it'd be like Hand Blaster 50
like a handgun, but a blaster
50 could be some sort of output, model number, or caliber
or somebody just thought it's a cool number
potent vapor
go figure that one of the most powerful guns in the game comes from the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
worthy rose
lol USA!
dire timber
uh, what?
gilded bramble
Sounds about right
peak escarp
what are you going on about?
dense estuary
I’d go with a model or serial number for D.Va’s side arm
Being military it really could be Hand Blaster 50
Military forces are not always known for original names for small arms
Like AK-47 is because I think the gun was commissioned in 1947. Automat Kalashnikov 1947
valid shell
Stoner 63, designed by a guy named Eugene Stoner in 1963.
dense estuary
Hand Blaster, current model development commissioned in 2050
peak escarp
that makes sense
cunning sand
Mhm but what technology in junk rats trap allows it to hold reaper in smoke form???
And why wasn’t that same tech used in roadhogs hook
peak escarp
Gameplay != Lore
Reaper is immune to a lot of things in his wraith form in the lore that still affect him in the game
rose escarp
can reaper stay in wraith indefinitely or does it affect him to stay in that form
brisk harbor
Doesn't it like hurt him
peak escarp
we don't know if it hurts him
but he does seem to fall apart/have trouble maintaining his form when he's injured
like in Infiltration when he was fighting the Svyatogor, or in Recall when he was fighting Winston
dense estuary
In some cases I’d say gameplay makes concessions for balance reasons. Like the trap working
olive karma
How many eyes does zenyatta have?
olive karma
OK thx
worldly dagger
How many orbs does zen actually use out of nine know he uses 2 for discord and harmony, 5 for secondary, but would those count as also main atrack or does he have 2 seperate for that
worthy rose
Is that even a question @worldly dagger
worldly dagger
Yes its been bugging me
valid shell
@worldly dagger All his orbs are identical.
If Harmony and Discord are canon, then he just charges his orbs with the respective energy.
But they're probably not canonical.
worldly dagger
Hmmm
worthy rose
How about we ask real questions like why does symmenterra suck compared to her lore
worthy rose
Sym
worldly dagger
Or why is dva antisocial in he4 clip but in game she doesnt sound antisocial?
valid shell
Did
Did you miss the point of her short.
D.Va's got two distinct faces, the one she shows to the public, and the one she has around Dae-hyun.
worldly dagger
No im just wondering
valid shell
She's marketed to be someone she's not.
worthy rose
He couldn’t comprehend @valid shell
valid shell
Anyways, gameplay discussion isn't relevant here.
valid shell
To both of you.
worthy rose
Gameplay discussion is more relevant than u here
iron plume
No it really isn’t
worthy rose
If u don’t like it don’t respond
ember rapids
If you aren't talking about lore you shouldn't be talking here
Can we not tag mods twice, it doesn't help your case
worldly dagger
Frankly my question was technically both lore and gameplay
ember rapids
Syms wasn't
worthy rose
How so
valid shell
"lol y does sym epic suxxor in game XD XD"
worthy rose
I asked why does symmenterra suck compared to her lore
ember rapids
If you want to discuss it shoot a message to @sullen pagoda Let's bring this channel back to OW lore discussion only please.
iron plume
@worldly dagger Orb of destruction’s canon status aside, even in game Zen does not actually throw the metal orbs that go around his neck
he just projects energy
so he’s likely not “using up” any of the nine
worldly dagger
Well i was merely wonderibg seeing that energy seems to project at about 7 different states and was wondering if that had to do eith a miscount and if the orbs xxx actually do anything except be a night light
iron plume
they may serve as some kind of storage, or just help zen focus his own energy
we don’t really know what they do
or zen himself for that matter
worldly dagger
I think the comics might help but who wants to do all that useless digging
valid shell
t bff e?
iron plume
...what?
worldly dagger
Phone screwed up
valid shell
Ah.
iron plume
for one, Zen has a grand total of one panel in all of the comics
valid shell
And you've stumbled upon the big issue with Zen:
He has very little appearances out-of-game.
iron plume
for two, even if you feel like comics are “useless digging”, there isn’t much of it to be done
there’s barely a dozen lore-relevant ones
and they’re not the length of traditional comic issues
worldly dagger
True
limpid agate
Still more appearances than Lucio
worthy rose
ahaha
last sorrel
Still waiting on the lucio short
peak escarp
Still waiting on a lot of shorts
opal tangle
Anyone have a favorite short from the one's that are out there?
peak escarp
The Last Bastion
that short is a cinematic masterpiece
Amazing storytelling without even a word of dialogue
short scaffold
last bastion is often regarded as the best
lean prawn
Honor and Glory > Last Bastion
tribal lagoon
crisp patio
valid shell
@crisp patio They're robots.
So yes to the first two.
Although I would rephrase 'mate' to 'partner'.
worthy rose
Where do the more humanoid omnics come from
cunning ledge
Automated factories called Omniums
tawny patio
My favorite cinematic was the Soldier 76 origins or the museum...
I don’t even like any of the characters they featured
regal coyote
@valid shell @crisp patio Yes and no.
They can find mates and partners for sure.
But legal status differs from area to area.
Would say the same on human-omnic unions also.
But we have no information on that so far.
Though I would guess in numbani all would be ok and well.
For places like Junkertown, you may or may not be exiled or executed if you try to marry an omnic I guess. It is illegal to be an omnic to start with in Junkertown.
nova elbow
iirc we saw human/Omnic couples in Alive
hasty surge
I wonder how do cross species couples work
Do you actually as a human look at a robot and say hey I love this guy, I feel affection love and sexually for him. Vice versea
iron plume
...do you not?
hasty surge
I suppose it's possible to feel affection for anyone
terse oak
I imagine it's like literally any relationship
iron plume
except you get to fuck a robot
hasty surge
But I think it's interesting tho
Like few hundred years ago we wouldn't even think about the same sex marriage
hasty surge
And even before inter race?
iron plume
same sex attraction has been a thing in humans forever
hasty surge
Ok main point I don't know if we human created sentient being like ominics in the future is it possible to fall in love with them?
Well I guess I don't get to live to see it
iron plume
I don't see why we wouldn't if they're actually sentient
hasty surge
Hmm so the being must be sentient?
iron plume
well yeah
it's not really a relationship if they aren't
this is getting into philosophy though
terse oak
Two way street and all
runic scroll
So we know there are animal form omnics and stuff
But are there omnic children?
I don’t think I’ve seen a child humanoid Omnic
Also, have we seen a female humanoid Omnic (not counting Orisa) and are they visually distinguishable from males, not by voice?
cunning ledge
There’s an Omnic child on a blizzard world poster
Orisa is probably unique as a female Omnic as she has a custom personality
Then again Lynx just decided to be a “they” sooo
But lynx probably just has a male sounding voice like the rest too
regal coyote
you never know though, Lynx can sound like Siri for all i care.
terse oak
Maybe as part of integration, omnic children exist in some formal capacity, it's pretty weird
cunning ledge
have you got an actual point to make, hamster
regal coyote
But child omnic does not exist in its traditional sense.
An omnic can have a child like body, but body does not reflect ability
So you may treat a child omnic more like a "peter dinkage" omnic
cunning ledge
omnic child means that either someone got an omnium to produce one or that it's a custom built one outside of an omnium
neither of those sound great
regal coyote
the ofrm of a child would help for tasks like behing a child's playmate, or other nursery type work though
iron plume
why would you build a humanoid version
I doubt the current ones were the same model as the originals built for manual labor
regal coyote
I think the keyword bbeing were, some omnic types are most obviously not for labour in mind, but like the Zen series or Max series
iron plume
it's just inefficient
regal coyote
And we know for sure robots are used as nanny, we have seen nanny bots
cunning ledge
i know what you mean party
peak escarp
@cunning ledge a manufacturer would have no reason to buy a child omnic, but omnics trying to emulate a human couple and live a "normal" life would definitely want one
regal coyote
I assume construction site specialized omnic may have more bulky body
cunning ledge
and I still find it annoying there's no images or anything of original omnics to prove that they're the same as the current ones
but as far as we know they are
regal coyote
so the ones we see are for manual labour work, but not like factory type of labour
iron plume
a robot built purely for manual labor would look like a more techy version of these https://www.arabianindustry.com/static/content/images/larger1/48322-418474.jpg
not like a human
worthy rose
that's factory work
cunning ledge
the idea of creating manual labour robots and then giving them hecking sentience is insane already
just invent like exo suits for humans or something
much easier
iron plume
that too
regal coyote
well, to be more scifi like they would still have mobility rather than chained to the floor like that
iron plume
which is why I said a more techy version
regal coyote
but yeah more industrial looking and less humanoid like
iron plume
with more capabilities so it's not single-purpose
regal coyote
I would say think Wall-e with extra bits
peak escarp
we assume they were given sentience
iron plume
(although realistically you'd want a single-purpose machine)
peak escarp
maybe they developed it on their own?
iron plume
but you wouldn't want that to have sentience
regal coyote
i think they have both
peak escarp
quirk in the programming allowed them to learn past their program?
it's a common trope in sci-fi
regal coyote
like in the omnium they have machines instead of omnics standing in ine working, from the concept art at least
to be honest omnic is a blanket term
there arre ones as smart as a potato, and ones that are basically robot animals, like the slicers
dire timber
it could be that sentience was caused by the omnium's self-improving algorithms
regal coyote
and the ones we talk about most are the wones with human-isque abilities
so I assume omnic rights only applies to the human-level ones, and things like slicers would have rights similar to animals
frosty shell
I assume the civillian omnics might've worked in service jobs
Like behind the counter at McDonald's
worthy rose
Yea cause those are simple jobs
And technically we already have ai working at mcdonalds with there whole touch screen burger tech
iron plume
that's kind of the thing though
we already have that in a more efficient form
that being a direct ordering interface
it would be pointless to make an extra layer of a humanoid robot on top
frosty shell
But a humanoid robot would be more adaptable, and might make things easier for the customers
It would feel less mechanical
For example, Waitron has a pretty good design for a waiter
worthy rose
They also steer and operate the canal boats 😄
limpid agate
Gondoliers, yeah
worthy rose
^^
limpid agate
Was looking for the word
worthy rose
But why did you give it the French spelling and not the Italian spelling since Rialto is in Italia? 🤔
I keed
😄
cunning ledge
there are also robots (the training bot dudes) running around the base in Uprising, refueling the dropship
and serving drinks in the halloween comic
regal coyote
also omnic gardener in searching putting twigs in his pocket
peak escarp
People like interacting with a "human" interface
Even if a direct interface is more efficient
We have self-serve kiosks at work and people hate using them because they aren't people
regal coyote
which is funny
cause in places like japan a bunch of people love the self-serve type thing for exactly the reason it does not act like human, and somehow they prefer to avoid human interaction
then again it is a cultural thing i think
in asia there is more ritualistic bullshit when communicating with humans
peak escarp
It's also a generational thing - it's mostly older folks who don't like the kiosks
regal coyote
that and the programmed kiosk are for the standard and basic needs.
like if you wanna ask a question and what not you need a more detailed interface than a kiosk
it is like the mcdonalds kiosk thing.
peak escarp
Right - and that's where a service omnic would have an advantage over a user interface
regal coyote
if you order regular stuff then it is fine and nice and fast, but if you want to go "less sauce, or hold the pickles" then there is no option and you have to go to human
peak escarp
It could look up answers and find solutions for you
regal coyote
exactly
things you cannot put in a kiosk, or risk having too complicated of an interface
peak escarp
I can kinda understand how the omnics feel - a lot of people don't treat cashiers like humans either
regal coyote
sorta yes, but also an omnic would have a different thinking pattern
some urges and stuff just do not exist on them, and for good reasons
gluttony and food for once, that would mean nothing to them but a product to be traded
peak escarp
They would still have a sense of fairness
regal coyote
same goes for lust, and with it love (as in eros) or desire to procreate
fairness yes
peak escarp
And it's unfair to be treated rudely
regal coyote
but pleasure and enjoyment, that would feel quite different for them
always wonder, how would they see all these though.
peak escarp
It's likely that by then AI has developed to a point where it can simulate emotions
regal coyote
if you think of it half the pleasure (or 7 deadly sins) would not be meaningful or pleasurable to them
sure they may have simulated emotions that even the omnic would treat it as "real" but it would be of a limited scope
peak escarp
Emotions are just chemical responses to the environment, after all
regal coyote
being free from residual emotion and mental response steamed as some sort of 'evolutionary baggage"
peak escarp
You're making me wish I was an omnic
regal coyote
yes and no, but a bunch of emotion steams from biological needs
dense maple
lust and gluttony incorporate knowledge as well, so they can still commit those sins
regal coyote
yes and no.
peak escarp
I could do without the emotional baggage
regal coyote
that is why i say they are different enough
and also the whole siri voice on lynx thing
For them anything like that is at best "outfit and persona like fashion, to aid interaction"
dense maple
i think the only sin omnics truly could not commit is sloth, due to their programming, lack of sleep, and constant drive due to having a robotic outlook
regal coyote
given robotic parts are so easy changing voice is basically download a language pack.
also Lust.
there is no reason for them to have it
Also Gluttony, they do not eat
peak escarp
I'm sure a robot could be lazy
dense maple
@regal coyote thats how human thought is too actually. its just under layers of influence. we wear clothes for the same reason, to "aid interaction", just with more complex excuses
regal coyote
they can be lazy, in the sense they would do their own thing rather than the work they need to be doing
peak escarp
Robots could also consume excessively whatever their power/fuel source is - Gluttony isn't just eating
regal coyote
thing is, a bunch of our attribute is a preset that cannot be changed , not without a bunch of epensive surgery and risks
dense maple
lust does not solely incorporate sexual desire, along with gluttony. those 2 can incorporate a lust or gluttony for knowledge as well, or for other things
regal coyote
wait would wanting knowledge be greed? or vanity
peak escarp
This conversation has gotten weirdly philosophical
dense maple
wanting knowledge, depending on the reason, could be greed or lust
regal coyote
it is
dense maple
lust is if the person is infatuated with obtaining knowledge, greed is if the person wants the knowledge for power, which links it to pride
regal coyote
when your metaphysical form can be changed and you dont ahve some of the msot humanly enjoyable desires things can be weird.
dense maple
theres a reason the "apple of knowledge" is considered the sinful thing
cuz knowledge incorporates all sins
regal coyote
s, it is the iris :3
dense maple
lol
regal coyote
see this is the thing.
if you think Detroit being Human the androids are meant to be like humans, so they can have all those stimulateedd desires.
hell they can even have intimacy since they have the form and probably some is made for it.
but omnic, they are robot
and they have the form of machine, without actually tryint to imitate human, other than being a useful interface
dense maple
the ideal of AI is based off of us human's own functions, thoughts, and growth in knowledge, so a truly successful AI would be no different than a human. this is why if a machine is capable of passing the Turing test, it is considered a species and is given the same rights as humans
this is where detroit: become human differs, because even though the turing test exists in it, the law that coinsides with that test does not
regal coyote
see that is a problem though, 1) some animals passed the turing test
dense maple
if detroit: become human happened irl, the androids would already have equal rights and freedom due to that international law
how did animals pass it?
that sounds impossible
regal coyote
but they dont have equal human rights and cannot be, since their thought process is so different
dense maple
for an animal to be indistinguishable from a human in both appearance and intelligence?
and to be a machine?
regal coyote
remember, to be granted human rights also means they would then be judged by human laws and system
dense maple
turing test is only for machines
regal coyote
actually all these would be more political than anything else though, for the rl rights.
i mean even in ow universe their treatment differes as said.
dense maple
i think youre talking about the self-recognition test, or the ability to recognize oneself in the mirror which shows a sign of sentient thought
regal coyote
this goes from full equal to kill on sight
dense maple
bears, elephants, dolphins, chimps, and certain other monkeys are the only ones who have passed it
potentially octopi as well
regal coyote
hell maybe there are occupation zones where omnic have more rights than meatbags
also i thin some types of birds, think some parrot type and some raven type
dense maple
although there are some breeds of octopi that can be considered to have the intelligence of a 9 yr old human child, surprisingly, which is pretty cool but im getting off topic lol
also MEATBAG is that a kotor reference
regal coyote
Question: What is this kotor you speak of?
think about it, if that shit han solo movie would have HK47 instead of some shit fambot then it would be a slightly better piee of trash
dense maple
answered in general
oh and i asked if meatbag was a kotor reference, cuz one of ur companions, an assassin droid called HK-47, is very sadistic and intelligent and refers to humans as "meatbags"
hell yeah
regal coyote
Correction: The whole HK series would use meatbag to address organics.
Which made me wonder, did omnic extremist like Null Sector do the same?
or they dont even use human language at all?
frosty shell
I'm pretty sure they have lines where they call humans "organics"
Omnics do seem to have some emotions
They definitely have a sense of self-preservation
At the start of the Crisis, they gained the ability to disobey human orders
I don't think recognizing yourself in the mirror has any deep philosophical meaning
However, it does demonstrate advanced intelligence
I think all animals can "recognize the self" or whatever
dense estuary
Bender calls non robots Meatbags too
frosty shell
Self-awareness is a definable thing, but I don't think it's related to the mirror test
I assume most higher animals can learn, which is a kind of introspection
However, I don't think we know if any animals can recognize their own emotions
dense estuary
Society accepting AI as life and not being terrified and trying to turn it off is the big challenge. Outside of Cmdr. Data in Star Trek, The Mass Market Entertainment depictions of AI have been mostly our fears. (Skynet, HAL, GLaDOS, etc)
(I left out Red Queen from Resident Evil movie, Because despite the folks on the net claiming shes an evil AI. She was in fact doing her job to contain the virus).
regal coyote
cortana
dense estuary
HALO was interesting in that they kind of humanized intelligent AIs
Rampancy based on how long they are running is effectively giving them something many other settings do not. a lifespan
regal coyote
rl i am sure there are many advantage to not accepting ai as life
being able to have slaves iasa a great thing
But that aside, back to ow
I am sure omnics have some range of emotion and the like
dense estuary
back to OW, The Pharah comic always makes me wonder how many of the Omnics actually went along with the whole "Kill All Humans" thing and how many were overridden and being remoted. Because remember that one that blew his own CPU out so he could not become a drone.
regal coyote
but as said, they are probably lacking a portion of humanly emotion due to different make up, and not for the bad though
since a huge chunk of our emotion is biological needs related or evoutionary baggage
tawny patio
Beings with sentience often process the loss of sentience as a fate worse than death
So killing itself makes sense
Emotions or not
valid shell
@tawny patio The word you're looking for is sapience.
Sentient beings can't process that they're sentient.
tawny patio
English
Words
You get my point 😜
limpid agate
@spare fog Shitposting will result in a loss of access
nova elbow
out of interest, how many people have lost access?
terse oak
Enough
jolly nest
valid shell
@jolly nest ?
dense estuary
I dunno what that even is
valid shell
Probably some funni twitch maym.
jolly nest
bro did u live under a rock
limpid agate
@jolly nest Serious discussion strictly related to lore
No one cares about Twitch memes.
ionic bloom
Hammond likes Jelly sandwiches
Winston likes peanut butter
Hammond likes Jelly Sandwiches because Winston stole all the peanut butter
peak escarp
Jelly sandwiches?
valid shell
@ionic bloom Source on Hammond ever being in the same room as jelly?
worthy rose
@spare fog I think she was forced by talon to kill her husband
limpid agate
She was
worthy rose
Aha so your theory was proven wrong
hasty surge
Can we say that widow still loves Gerard?
Or is she just keep him as a memory?
Wait she is devoid of all feelings right?
peak escarp
She remembers him, and she remembers that she loved him, but she doesn't feel that anymore
she might even be trying (unsuccessfully) to recapture that feeling
hasty surge
Hmm
peak escarp
Gerard
hasty surge
My bad
timid eagle
Going forward, what lore would you guys like to see?
valid shell
Any.
limpid agate
Story progression, modern day Overwatch.
whole ermine
anything new and relevant to this war Doomfist has planning
hasty surge
Liao
round bough
regal coyote
@limpid agate funny, I did some digging around with the name Hammond, as well as "peanutbutter" related things
turns out there is a famous "Hammond’s PB&J Sandwich" Chocolate bar.
So yeah while it might not be true that dude may not be shitposting afterall
must dig deeper
hasty surge
Except I bet that dude doesn't have that evidence
regal coyote
that granted, it is a high chance hammond lieks PB as well and is sharing it with winston
or used to be
worthy rose
nice
dire timber
babby Hammond
worthy rose
he smol
worthy rose
k go to #overwatch and share there
velvet peak
y?
worthy rose
because you're terribly off-topic
peak escarp
this channel is for discussing lore, not complaining about heroes
worthy rose
^^
valid shell
@Bibba#0417 Yes.
iron plume
he gone
dire timber
ripperoni 🍕
regal coyote
@valid shell thanks
so yeah they do share food, both bananananas and PB.
Well, hammond might have "borrowed" some food also but either way they are friendly.
regal coyote
Now thinking of the new-gen overwatch
We have a healer (off healer but still healer I guess, but not sure of healing in lore though)
We have no real healer.
We have a bunch of DPS so that ok, but we have only winston himself as a tanky type (and half a brig)
peak escarp
And Rein
regal coyote
Rein yes, but rein is the old-gen ow that works with the new overwatch
peak escarp
Ah
regal coyote
still the msot important is a healer
not in the game sense but in lore sense
someone with medical knowledge
right now there is none
No, brig (and even if lucio joins) cannot do medical stuff in the lore sense
putting bandaid on rein not withstanding
nova elbow
is it really that urgent? would local emergency services/military not support them?
regal coyote
well it depends on different cities and area i guess
places like korea, which is said to be an ow supporter to start with, probably turn a blind eye and just give medical
it is sort of likw how batman and police works in some cases
technically it is not really legal but there are supporters.
pretty sure in some cases it is a sort of unofficial silent nod.
dense estuary
Also local is different than international politics.
If there is some big problem that is too well armed even for local SWAT and this not exactly sactioned new overwatch comes in and takes care of the Talon forces, I doubt local authorities will give many shits about what the UN says.
So kinda like Batman I guess then
copper yarrow
Anyone know where I could find the overwatch comics? I'm trying to find out more about the lore.
brisk harbor
Check pinned messages
copper yarrow
In this channel?
brisk harbor
Yeah
copper yarrow
Ok
Are they all the way at the top?
oH nvm
Are they all in order? Or is there no order?
peak escarp
They're not really in an order
Most of then happen circa Recall
The storytelling parts of Junkenstein, and Legacy take place shortly before OW fell
Uprising and Retribution are 7 years ago and 8 years ago, respectively
If you're looking for the comics/shorts relevant to the current storyline of OW, it goes
Recall -> Old Soldiers -> Infiltration -> Searching/Masquerade
copper yarrow
Ok thank you
brazen flare
It really takes me out of the game
that all the little areas that are supposed to be like
cafes, resteraunts, rooms, what not
are all just weird squere rools some with no dooors that look like set peices
peak escarp
Too many little areas are a nightmare for level design
Just know that they represent actual cafes, resturaunts, etc
brazen flare
but they look so off and weird
haughty thorn
I just wanna know how ana got away with faking her death
runic scroll
Pretty much that she has the resources and connections to fake her death
That’s pretty much it imo
Knows doctors who’ll forge records/officials and influential people who’ll make it happen
Scientists and engineers who can produce fake evidence if needed
Etc
And then be smart and careful not to expose herself while everyone thinks she’s dead
gusty fjord
What I want to know
Is what exactly happend at Switzerland
and what made Reyes so disfigured
That he had to turn Moira to fix him
iron plume
He turned to Moira before Switzerland
gusty fjord
What?
iron plume
he has his powers as of Retribution
gusty fjord
THen what is Reyes referring to when they said, "They made me into this"?
iron plume
which is pre-Fall
his disfigurement may have been a result of the explosion
but his involvement with Moira and powers were there before
errant void
he had been disfigured before, during the explosion of Overwatch headquarters, but his abilities from Moira had already started
peak escarp
Reaper says "they left you [Ana] to die, they left me to suffer"
I think he blames Overwatch for not being there to help him when the Swiss base blew up and he suffered injuries so bad it drove his cellular regeneration into overdrive
His anger is probably a bit misplaced, since OW thought he was dead
errant void
He definitely blames Overwatch, but I think it's a matter of him refusing to acknowledge who is genuinely at fault for the downfall of Overwatch, and with it, him
peak escarp
Yeah
Soldier believes OW was sabotaged from outside and inside
So the explosion wasn't just caused by their fighting
errant void
There's definitely more to than we know, but we know Reaper didn't know about it, otherwise he wouldn't blame Overwatch
I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Talon, to be honest
errant void
Same. I'm really hoping the next hero is from Talon
peak escarp
I'm still hoping for the very unlikely reveal of who Liao is
If she's not a woman I'll be disappointed
Because that would mean that out of the original 6 of Overwatch, the only female was Ana
The only alternative I'd be happy with is if Liao was an omnic
errant void
We know so little about Liao, anything is possible. An omnic member of Overwatch could be interesting though
errant void
I think two heros we can, at the very least expect, is another member of Talon, and Liao, and I doubt they'll leave out a founding member of Overwatch. They'll probably be very important to the lore if they're waiting this long to reveal anything about them
peak escarp
If Liao is still alive, they'll be a playable hero eventually
If they aren't alive, I'd still like to know who they were
errant void
Mmm, true. I feel like we would know if they died. But who knows, anything is possibly with someone we know absolutely nothing about. We knew nothing about Moira except for the fact that she was in Blackwatch and then Talon, but look at her now, she's so important to the entire lore of the game.
gusty fjord
When is Blizzcon again?
limpid agate
November
haughty thorn
An archives event during the 1st omnic crisis would be cool
Like, you play as the original strike team on their final mission
peak escarp
Would be tough though
Their abilities would have been quite different back then
Ana wasn't a healer, Reyes had no wraith powers
lyric kiln
real quick why wasnt pharah in ow? ow shut down in her time or something else?
peak escarp
OW was shut down before she could join
lyric kiln
i see
errant void
And even if it hadn't, Ana would have never let her join
peak escarp
And it's hinted that Ana didn't want her to join, so she may have prevented OW from recruiting her
lyric kiln
yeah i remember that ana said something like she didn't want that life for pharah
peak escarp
OW membership seemed to be invite only
peak escarp
Probably
errant void
She is, yes
peak escarp
She was likely the one who did the genetic conditioning
lyric kiln
damn moira really been doing everything
peak escarp
But the mental conditioning was someone else
lyric kiln
yeah
errant void
"How are you feeling, Lacroix?"
"I don't. That's the point, isn't it?"
lyric kiln
shit id forgotten about that voice line
and theres a similar one between moira and reaper right
errant void
It's one of my all time favorite interactions
peak escarp
That line sounds very bitter to me
errant void
Widow definitely has a lot of resentment towards Moira
peak escarp
Like Widow hates the fact that she doesn't feel
lyric kiln
didnt she say something like she feels alive before the kill
either her short or a voiceline not sure
errant void
"At the moment of the kill, they are never more alive."
lyric kiln
she doesn't sound like she has a problem when killing to make her feel
errant void
That was the quote from her short, but I'm pretty sure she has a similar voiceline
peak escarp
If you had to kill someone to feel any emotion, that would be a problem
lyric kiln
right but i don't think widow had that sort of problem lol
errant void
I think Widow is going to be important to the future of the lore, to be honest
peak escarp
Killing is bad
lyric kiln
widow was fine with killing to make her feel, i think that must've been the point
errant void
She's in Talon, but she's only in Talon due to her brainwashing. Who knows if that changes
lyric kiln
im also new to ow and especially lore so pretty high chance that im wrong about something
peak escarp
She seems to be trying to feel again - she visited her husband's grave, moved into her family's mansion, put up her wedding picture
lyric kiln
well shit i didn't know that
peak escarp
So she has some free will
lyric kiln
also it's hella sick that blizzard takes the time to do this makes the game that much better
errant void
Never feel bad about being wrong about Overwatch lore, there is alot
lyric kiln
thanks 🙂
errant void
I don't think her brainwashing destroyed all of her emotions, most of them, but not all of them. Maybe she'll leave Talon? I doubt it but who knows. Widow is a weird part of the lore
lyric kiln
ik moira is responsible for like all of talon, who's mercy responsible for saving?
soldier? ana? ik genji but that was zen too
errant void
Mercy is... We don't really know about Mercy after the fall of Overwatch. Not that I know of, at least. I'm assuming she would go back to being a medic, but I'm not sure, to be honest
lyric kiln
who saved ana? anyone from ow?
errant void
She was presumed dead by Overwatch after she was shot
lyric kiln
also i've seen a lot of videos mentioning liao and ive seen it in this discord
peak escarp
Mercy saved Genji's life, after Hanzo almost killed him
that's about it
Ana went to a civilian hospital and used a fake name
peak escarp
Mercy is currently working as a field doctor somewhere in the middle east (as of the Reflections comic, which is winter of 2076)
and she writes letters to Genji
lyric kiln
wait but genji actually has a face in that photo lol
errant void
See, I didn't know that, there's never enough lore lol
lyric kiln
yea ik there's stuff between them lol
peak escarp
there just isn't much of it in the game
lyric kiln
the chocolate dialogue is about it
peak escarp
you have to look outside the game to find most of it
lyric kiln
in game
errant void
I wish there was more, to be honest. You have to piece together what you can
peak escarp
Genji does have a face under his mask
lyric kiln
yea but he looks like vader
peak escarp
we all wish there was more
lyric kiln
at least in his short
lyric kiln
maybe he healed idk but by the sound of it hanzo essentially killed him
cuz hanzo thought genji was dead
errant void
Genji had the burns and scars because of what Hanzo did to him. I would love to know more of what happened there
peak escarp
Overwatch had been watching the Shimada clan, so they were able to swoop in and get him to a doctor (Mercy)
the most we know is that it was a very brutal sword fight
and afterwards Hanzo put down the sword forever
peak escarp
bow is more effective? idk
lyric kiln
i mean genji only uses sword for ult and deflect in game
errant void
I would assume it's just because of their individual fighting styles
Shurikens compared to a bow and arrow are very different weapons
errant void
There's still so much we don't know, and maybe we'll never know anything. A lot of what we have for lore is speculation
peak escarp
yes
lyric kiln
true
dense estuary
Shurikens would be compared to a pistol as a big bow like Hanzo has would be a rifle
the bow favors longer ranges. Both weapons however in the terms of a modern world could be considered that of a stealth operator
Both characters lore wise clearly prefer their kills to not be something heard.
Where as say 76 is more the kick in the front door type.
peak escarp
the Shimada clan was a ninja clan, so of course they'd prefer stealthy weapons
dense estuary
I kinda wonder what pies they had their fingers in. We know they were/are a crime family. But were they independent or linked to Yakuza.
peak escarp
From Hanzo's bio: "The Shimada family was established centuries ago, a clan of assassins whose power grew over the years, enabling them to build a vast criminal empire that profited from lucrative trade in arms and illegal substances."
drugs and guns
coral lake
Am I the only one who wants a third Shimada brother
I just really like the ninja-like weapons
iron plume
you're not the only one but it's not happening
there's no place for one in the story or from the point of diverse characters
coral lake
they added a hamster in a ball in the lore
so i guess they could make a third brother work
or maybe even a long lost sister
iron plume
...
There was no hamster in the lore before Hammond
There are already two Shimada brothers
what would be the point of adding a third one that's not covered
tepid abyss
I could see there being a very young sister or something
coral lake
Yeah something like that
tepid abyss
Maybe aoe heals by singing
coral lake
That she was irrelevant because she was a baby when Genji and hanzo fought
tepid abyss
Something for the brothers to set aside differences for
iron plume
we're not getting a third Shimada sibling hero
iron plume
healing representing music
informed speculation
not a baseless hypothesizing from nothing
iron plume
that's not how that works
coral lake
The lore should give us more shimada brothers
coral lake
I'd love to know the whole story and more about their past
iron plume
do you have any proof or hints toward such a hero in game or related lore fiction?
if no, that's not a topic for this channel
if yes, do share
tepid abyss
Do we have any proof of there not being one?
iron plume
that's... not how proof works
tepid abyss
Saying that there has been no proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist
iron plume
there's a lot of things that may exist
coral lake
this isnt a place for arguing either
iron plume
unless there's reasonable suggestion they do, it's not a topic for this channel
tepid abyss
Agree to disagree 
iron plume
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valid shell
"third unknown shimada sister who heals with singing and that the brothers set aside their differences for" sounds a lot like self-insert fanfiction.
Probably with incest.
terse oak
I think we're done with this hypothetical Shimada insert conversation
Lore is not the place to make uninformed speculation
regal coyote
on shimada, technically for their story to continue there is a chanse some relative will show up. that said, their father is dead accordingly, and there is no way there will be another brother
but a sister, however, can do.
Since they can't inherit the family usually.
Well, there is a way you adopt another person as a son (more common than you think in japan, for the sake of lineage, but no way since father is dead)
Another way would be a sister having a male to be married into the family, to produce a heir, uncommon but not totally against anything.
NO, unlikely to have a female shimada head. and fore sure not someone married in, since ther is no way shimada would accept other family since they all have inferior blood (anyone but your own family is inferior blood, in perspective)
regal coyote
but yeah, shoudl focus on more insteresting things
any new stuff found in korea map?
especially with the text
i cannot read it and is unlikely to try learn it, so anyone who know the language helping would be great
errant void
As far as I've read, there are only Easter eggs, but I haven't exactly looked very close into them, yet, as nothing is set in stone for them
Touching on the Shimada Clan thing, though. If Hanzo left, it makes sense that someone would have taken over for him. Is it necessarily important to the lore of Overwatch... Who knows? Maybe, but probably not. But it's still interesting
iron plume
The clan was taken down by Overwatch
valid shell
Taken down, but not out.
terse oak
Semantics
regal coyote
@iron plume not true.
The clan as a criminal empire might be taken down by overwatch
The shimada clan in this case means a family (and its subfamily,e tc, complex but you get the idea)
So My guess is that ow is not trying to kill all shimada, but to take down the clan as a criminal empire
Which means, yeah the shimada is still around in one form or another.
It is matter of which branch and who takes over, and if they have power as a criminal organization
Judging from the cinematic dragons we know at least someone take over the stuff as a criminal organization, but not sure if it is of related shimada blood (or some other criminal organization taking over)
It can well be a branch of shimada family.
regal coyote
you mean he kill them all?
regal coyote
Yes
which means there are humns of shimada family around
and we do not know if they go back to a life of crime
lusty crystal
So Genji is basically Itachi?
regal coyote
but we DO know someone has taken residence in the hamstermura residence, the old shimada area, or one of it
but Itachi does so for much more complex reason, other than the clan being (you know what)
errant void
In a game with genetically engineered, hyper intelligent animals, and flying medics, anything is possible. You can't say definitively that anything will never happen, to an extent
Would it be interesting? Yes. I don't think they would be a new hero, but it could add to the lore. The rise of the Shimada Clan once again. But it will most likely never happen, I don't see it
iron plume
I’m sorry but that’s a terrible argument
If you point to any unrealistic thing and say that means anything can happen, none of the fantasy or scifi universes have any structure
Sure you have “crazy” things but the universe has its own rules
And the story has structure
errant void
I'm not going to argue about my opinion on the possibility of a storyline in a fictional game, feel free to. I simply said it would be cool :)
iron plume
The possibility is always there
for any storyline in any universe
the possibility alone doesn’t mean it makes sense for the story or is an engaging development
regal coyote
yes, no. but going along with this it would be way too speculative even for this channel.
It is like saying what if the protoss attack" or "what if mercy is a zerg"
Lets go back to more lore related.
or things of more chance happening within the lore we can know of
So grounds we know fairly sure of.
errant void
It was just my opinion, I've acknowledged that it is not very lore-fitting. Speculation isn't lore, that's true
regal coyote
- shimada dead is dead, only 2 brothers exist. no other male sibling.
- shimada as a criminal organization was taken down. but at least some party has taken its place
- Criminal organization or not the related area seems peaceful enough. so as with a better japanese yakuza fashino, the lofelyhood of locals is not quite affected
ionic bloom
interesting stuff
errant void
I don't think there will be any additional lore to Genji or Hanzo any time soon. Eventually, yeah, but I don't see how it would benefit the future of Overwatch
regal coyote
well from what i see there might be an arc of enji officially joining re.overwatch
but that is about it
there are mroe interesing area of lore development
and more lore matters that is more... immediate on the timeline
errant void
Your point being? They are my opinions. and deleting your message doesn't change the fact that you sent it. If my opinions are crappy, please don't read them or respond to them
I'm just desperate for Talon lore tbh lol
regal coyote
??
dire timber
what were you arguing about, anyway?
errant void
No one was arguing, it was just a matter of speculation not being lore, that doesn't matter. My opinions are crappy, that's fine by me
dire timber
sorry, I was turned off a bit by "anything can happen because hamsters"
errant void
Ok
regal coyote
me again?
errant void
Melk
peak escarp
people need to learn that an argument can't be formed on the absence of evidence
worthy rose
an invalid argument is still an argument
spare fog
Perhaps
formal steppe
i realised that near the end of 'reflections', tracer took her chronal accelerator off
does it have to be on her person for it to work or does it have to just be near her?
frosty shell
The Shimada clan still seems to exist, even if they've been defanged by Overwatch
There were people there to guard the shrine in Dragons
cunning ledge
np
I imagine that physically wearing the equipment is required to use the powers like Blink though
dense estuary
That would make sense, Also its possible that it can only project a wide area field like when she has it off at home or when visiting Winston because its plugged in.
Kind of like how some laptop computers do not run at full clock speed when on battery.
peak escarp
the dock probably extends the field a bit
errant void
The chrono-acclerator just allows her to control her ability, so that would make sense that even if it was near it, it would still have some kind of effect on her
autumn lynx
@dense estuary Fun fact, laptops will run at their highest clock speed if under a heavy load, regardless if they are plugged in or not. One thing that will stop it though is thermal throttling.
worthy rose
battery saver sets a clock limit though
autumn lynx
That's assuming you have the turned off
Battery saver also limits screen brightness and a few other things
worthy rose
Tracer probably got lucio pregnant
autumn lynx
what?
worthy rose
Its truetho
autumn lynx
Tracers a women 1, lucios is a dude 2, and 3, tracer is homosexual
worthy rose
idc about the laws of sexuality
autumn lynx
and she already has a GF
autumn lynx
Literally everything you just said makes no sense and is stupid
worthy rose
i agree
ebon laurel
Obviously it is
worthy rose
oh
haughty thorn
Do you guys think overwatch can happen again?
limpid agate
What
runic scroll
As in the organization being sanctioned again like it was pre-fall?
Or just forming a group? I think they’ve already begun the regrouping part
Tracer and Winston are working together already
Mei is returning after seeing Winston’s message, so it’s possible that she’s coming back to join
I feel like Pharah would try to join if aware of the new OW and given the opportunity since she looked up to the old OW
I think Honor and Glory suggests that Rein intends to answer “the call” which I’d assume is Winston’s message
Etc
runic scroll
Yeah I meant in an actual cinematic
I think it’s about time for another “bad guy” short
dim root
Hving another talon operation short with all the talon mems would be cool
runic scroll
Torb short would be nice too
And there’s the ever-present “Lucio short when” question lol
formal steppe
I was thinking about saying the “lucio when” until I read to the end 
dire timber
@runic scroll Winston initiated a Recall, without any authorization whatsoever
they're grouping together, but Overwatch is still disbanded as an organization, and Winston's team is engaging in illegal vigilante activity
brisk harbor
It's gonna be a while until they group together if they do at all eventually
runic scroll
@dire timber I never said there was an authorization though
Just that there was a recall and people are gathering/likely to be joining
worldly dagger
going by canon, could sombra just hack the payload so the team can't move it?
brisk harbor
Ye but that'd be pretty busted in game
native kayak
@worldly dagger she’d be OP
haughty thorn
Couldn't sombra just hack omnics to kill them?
valid shell
Couldn't Sombra just [BLANK BLANK] every electronic in the game.
Not really a valid discussion.
haughty thorn
Rip
river dagger
Should genji be able to infinitely dash since his cybernetics are so advanced? 
peak escarp
track?
peak escarp
it seems like he's able to fire them so that they curve
I don't think they're target-seeking
woeful ruin
Ah so what's with the twin Dragons?
woeful ruin
Yeah but they're able to actually harness it
peak escarp
(according to a behind the scenes interview with the director)
woeful ruin
It can't just be a myth since they both have dragon powers
peak escarp
we don't know exactly what the Shimada dragons are, but the devs have said several times that they are not magic
it's probably some form of hard light
limpid agate
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
peak escarp
nanotechnology
limpid agate
Watch that
woeful ruin
Nanotech? His wraith form?
peak escarp
his cells degenerate and regenerate at an accelerated rate because of Moira's genetic tampering
woeful ruin
That's crazy
limpid agate
Before you ask, nanotech does not mean nano bots son.
woeful ruin
Lol read my mind
limpid agate
No, its the most common meme that follows up on the nanobiotics.
Nanomachines son is not true
peak escarp
Moira's technology was derived in part from Mercy's advances in nanobiotics
limpid agate
There is nothing mechanical about it, its biotic
peak escarp
Reaper does seem to be able to control the rate of degeneration and regeneration so he can wraith form around, but when he's injured he has less control