No one knows how to shut it down
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
dire timber
uh
limpid agate
And no, blowing it up is not pretty alright
dire timber
not if it irradiates Busan
worthy rose
I still dont really know what an omnium looks like
dire timber
I kinda wish the underwater omnium were a map some day
slim pewter
Nearly 4 years of evolution, but OW hasn’t basically improved. It actually got worse, what with the Recall only pulling in far fewer people than before (and with even far fewer support). Is it still possible to assume that OW can stop an Omnium?
limpid agate
Also this concept art
slim pewter
Decades
worthy rose
Is the omnium like other omnics where its sentient an shiz? Like this is what i want to know
slim pewter
Sorry lol
limpid agate
... Not even 4 decades
olive karma
Are all Russians racist towards omnics
limpid agate
@olive karma They are literally at war right now against Omnics
dapper vine
is that the place where the omnics are made?
limpid agate
@dapper vine Supposed to be
dire timber
well, yeah, they really don't trust omnics
limpid agate
@slim pewter The timeline isnt 4 years or 4 decades
dense maple
how does zarya feel about zen then though
dire timber
she doesn't know him
dense maple
what about basty boi
limpid agate
30 years ago was the Crisis, and the original strike team of Jack/Gabriel/Ana/Reinhardt/Torbjorn/Liao
worthy rose
Probably wouldnt like him 🤷
limpid agate
Overwatch shut down 7 years ago
dire timber
but she doesn't trust the Shambali
olive karma
They have a voice line convo though
dire timber
@limpid agate 5 years ago actually
slim pewter
I was referring to Omnic evolution.
limpid agate
Thanky ou
5 years
Present day is Tracer/Winston/Reinhardt/Mei, and possibly Brig/Bastion/Torb/Genji
worthy rose
Emre too right?
limpid agate
No
worthy rose
For the old team
limpid agate
Emre was not part of the original team
He joined post crisis
He was in Overwatch 23 years ago
dense maple
when you think about it, most of the chars you play in overwatch are actually out of their prime
weird to think about
worthy rose
Also, liao? I swesr they should just tell us if they still exist
slim pewter
Nearly 30-40 years of fighting and evolving and learning for the omnics, is it still safe to assume OW has the firepower to even stop one “base”?
dense maple
like 30 yrs out of it
limpid agate
@slim pewter Again, 30 years
And its not a question of firepower
Its a question of
Properly shutting it down
slim pewter
“Out of their prime” but still too dang effective. 76 is love.
dire timber
I believe the original strike team found a way to permanently pacify an omnium, render it completely non-hostile
limpid agate
And they shut it down around the same time Overwatch shut the rest down
But Russia did it wrong
And it woke back up
dire timber
while Russia could only temporarily cripple theirs
limpid agate
While every single Omnium Overwatch went into remained not murderous
worthy rose
Maybe torb was a big help with that?
slim pewter
Daaaang. So might is not right in this case. No explanation for the waking up in Russia is out right?
dense maple
ya he just placed turrets everywhere so whenever they try to build a new omnic it gets blasted to pieces
slim pewter
I mean, no clear reason is given so far?
dense maple
no wonder its rendered nonhostile
dire timber
@dense maple no shitposting
worthy rose
Maybe torb knows how to shut them down?
slim pewter
Pretty much want to see how exactly a base was shut down. I mean dang. Old school team would have been epic. Jack and Gabriel would have been an awesome scene to watch.
dapper vine
so, omniums were created by humans and they suddely bacame bad?
slim pewter
Considering how they are the top 2 afaik of the original team
dire timber
that's pretty much it, yeah
worthy rose
Just a quick question, can torb be considered partly responsible for the crisis?
limpid agate
Omniums were created by humans, they were shutdown because the company that made them went bankrupt, then woke up again and waged war against humanity
@worthy rose He thinks so
dire timber
they were originally used to create industrial and service bots
slim pewter
That’s Torb’a burden afair
worthy rose
They even had machine guns on their backs!
limpid agate
The Bastions were peacekeeping drones designed by Torbjorn.
dire timber
Torb was involved in designing Bastion and OR units
worthy rose
Peace
slim pewter
That he helped create a war. Dunno if this is canon though. But I think some voice lines hint at this <— not entirely sure aye
Oh. So he did design OR as well?
worthy rose
Nothing says peace like a walking minigun
slim pewter
Damn.
limpid agate
He also designed the titans
slim pewter
The ones in Volskaya?!
slim pewter
Whew. Lol
worthy rose
The 40ft tall things with cannons
limpid agate
The titans look like this
dapper vine
torbjorn designed the end of humanity basically
limpid agate
They were originally designed for construction to be piloted
But the omniums took the plan
Weaponized it
And made it an omnic
dire timber
Bastions were sentry units
limpid agate
This particular one is not an omnic
dire timber
I believe whenever they were deployed
dire timber
they'd set up a perimeter
limpid agate
The design
dire timber
and safeguard whatever area they were set to protect
limpid agate
Here is an actual Omnic Titan from the crisis
slim pewter
Uhm. Are titans he blueprints for MEKA or is MEKA legit original by Korea?
limpid agate
No
limpid agate
Titans are unrelated to MEKA
slim pewter
Oh wait
slim pewter
Okay, nice to learn these things
dire timber
MEKA units were drones at first
dire timber
but the Kishin learned to disrupt the drone network
limpid agate
Then they started using pilots
(Which is more reason why South Korea isnt really alarmed by the threat. Its been going on for 20 years)
olive karma
Oh we back on dva?
dapper vine
we're still getting another short this year right?
limpid agate
Should be in November
limpid agate
Ive been expecting the Junkerqueen, personally.
Cant see anyone else with a real chance unless they give us a surprise MEKA pilot
slim pewter
Do people get visibility on who gets to have a short?
dire timber
it's probably the Jumkerqueen
slim pewter
Really want one for McCree.
limpid agate
Or Lucio
dire timber
I kinda wish it weren't though
olive karma
I want a hero that blinds NGL
dire timber
also, my bet for November short is Pharah, Symmetra, or Zenyatta
used to include Lucio in that list , but meh
slim pewter
Pharah is nice!
limpid agate
So my money is on Lucio or Sym, but its not a lot of money
olive karma
I want a zen short
dire timber
I even got a story draft
slim pewter
But Zen I think has more depth seeing as how he’s “more” connected to Omnics and all that stiff.
Stuff
Sorry, on mobile.
olive karma
Ya
limpid agate
Ive got more riding on Bride of Junkenstein and Junkerqueen, than a Sym/Lucio short
dapper vine
lol
i'd like to see a short for lucio because he basically has no connection to the lore
limpid agate
His relevance is loose
dire timber
1 - Zenyatta argues with Mondatta and leaves the Shambali
2 - some time later, Zenyatta encounters Genji in his travels
3 - they get into a fight, and Genji loses to Zen, outsmarted due to his impatience
4 - Zen accepts Genji as his student
limpid agate
He is tied to Rio, which is tied to Sym, which is tied to Sanjay, who is a leader of Talon
dapper vine
that would be amazing, even if Sanjay just appear at the end talking to doomfist
and revealing his connection to talon
dire timber
though Lucio's presence isn't super guaranteed imho
it's more like
if Lucio gets a short, then Symmetra likely appears, and vice versa
if Symmetra appears, then Sanjay is guaranteed to appear
dire timber
that's cause Lucio hasn't started his rebellion yet at the time
I mean, he started it in response to those events
slim pewter
Sorry to hijack. Got a question totally unrelated to current discussion: is Sombra moving of her own intentions or is she a double agent or something?
I mean, she is Talon, yes?
dire timber
she's just an ambitious lady
dapper vine
i think she's in a team of her own
dire timber
she was recruited by Talon, but she's got her own agendas
dapper vine
yeah
slim pewter
Social engineering ftw. Kinda makes sense of her line that anyone can be hacked lol
dapper vine
i saw someone say that the lore will never be solved cause that would ruin the game, using the example of sombra
limpid agate
Gameplay != Lore
dire timber
they even said that they might even kill a character
but even if they do
the hero will remain playable
dapper vine
i was refering to motivations, but that also applies
limpid agate
There is no excuse for Zenyatta/Torbjorn/Tracer/D.Va/Hammond/Ana to team up to blow up an Omnic Underground city in London, where the line of defenders is Roadhog/Junkrat/Zarya/Symmetra/Moira/Lucio
Reaper is immune to Sleepdart
Mercy cant rez
Discord orbs arent real
And Zarya cannot survive taking an arrow to the head
dire timber
(I kinda do what to know what happened with that EMP)
dapper vine
that only applies to the gameplay
dire timber
(I want more payload backstories to be actual lore events)
dapper vine
yeah
slim pewter
Gameplay != Lore alright, because Tracer can’t blink upwards what is this video on about lol. But, man. Payload events are fun lore material.
No short has ever discussed a payload event, right?
dapper vine
yup
dapper vine
but they probably have a connection
slim pewter
To the YouTube!
dapper vine
that works too
dire timber
@slim pewter Watchpoint Gibraltar may have happened in the lore
as a chore that Winston did once
limpid agate
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
dire timber
launching a satellite drone into space
limpid agate
Aside from the groupshot at the end, which obviously isn't canon
dire timber
the Route 66 is similar - the Deadlock Gang are likely to have intercepted a military payload without a flinch
Dorado likely received the power core delivery
we know for a fact that the Doomfist gauntlet was safely transported to the Numbani Heritage Museum
from which Doomfist would steal it later on
limpid agate
was not safely
dire timber
what do you mean?
limpid agate
The payload had broken glass because it was supposed to be taken from it
dire timber
... doesn't the blog state the gauntlet was stolen from the museum?
rather than intercepted in transit?
dire timber
anything else?
limpid agate
... huh
so it was in transit after all?
actually, yeah, that could be it
it could've been intercepted at the airport
it would also help make his fight with OR15 bots line up
he fought some of them before getting the gauntlet, then he got the gauntlet, and finished off the rest of them
limpid agate
I think the big thing was
The payload had broken glass where the gauntlet used to be
dire timber
I regarded it as a signal of "oh darn, the gauntlet has been taken" directed to the players
I wasn't too sure about the canonicity of that payload
worthy rose
Yet the airport after 3 years still hasn’t been fixed
limpid agate
It hasnt even been 2 years
worthy rose
Still enough time for numbani airport to be fixed don’t you think?
limpid agate
I guess. Its not really a priority
They could have updated it when they updated the rest of Efi's presence on the map
But they left it as is.
worthy rose
Yup
peak escarp
Someone said Symmetra's comic had no mention of Lucio
Maybe not by name, but . . .
I think Lucio was one of the "occasional setbacks"
limpid agate
I thought it was the fire
Especially given who is talking isn't Vishkar
But this mayor lady
regal coyote
or she see it as a better alternative to side with vishkar than not (being in worsened proverty situations and exploited even without the backing of a mega-corp)
regal coyote
or just corrupted.
Her colab with vishkar may be just that, it does nto mean she has any contact with talon or the like
ans she may not be talking about Lucio
in fact msot likely NOT about lucio
peak escarp
why not?
Sanjay mentions "recent press" in an email to Portero, which I think is also a reference to Lucio
"I understand your concerns over the recent press about our Rio de Janeiro development, however I can assure you that this is just a blip on the radar and that we are taking care of it."
limpid agate
A Better World takes place in the 5 years between Overwatch shutting down, and Recall
This comic is about Vishkar setting up in Rio
Lucio started his revolution after Vishkar already started exploiting the population
peak escarp
A Better World is supposed to take place around the same time as Recall
hasty surge
Then where did the overwatch cinematic trailer take place
regal coyote
@hasty surge actually not exactly, it goes: Doomfist in glass => shattered flass => sealed container with unknown stuff
Not sure about the opening museum with timmy/brian
but supposedly it was an atampt earlier with reaper/widow trying to take the gauntlet
it can be even before recall really
regal coyote
I mean, it seems like tracer-wonston has been hanging out often, since tracer needs the fix
peak escarp
it couldn't be before Recall
regal coyote
why cant it be before recall?
peak escarp
when he calls her she says "it's been too long"
limpid agate
Recall was first
Exhibit was after
Overwatch is Back should be proof enough
Overwatch is Back: http://bit.ly/1TAWebT
Tensions between humans and omnics have never been higher, particularly after the assassination of the omnic spiritual leader Tekhartha Mondatta
In the past few weeks, investigators confirmed that a number of violent incidents across the world, including Monday's attempted museum heist, have involved several notable former Overwatch operatives.
regal coyote
for sure then it is
peak escarp
most of the comics don't have any context clues to place them in the timeline - Train Hopper, Dragon Slayer, Going Legit, A Better World, Destroyer and Binary don't really have any timeline clues
the only thing we have to go off of is Chu's timeline from GDC 2017 that places them around the time of Recall
dire timber
@worthy rose real life time passage doesn't affect the Overwatch timeline
so no, it hasn't been years
regal coyote
most potantial accurate time we can get is the shooting star insident, once we can pin point the year
hasty surge
About Winston and Tracer relationship, I would say Winston has been living in isolation and Tracer found Emily
But I find it weird that Winston would not contact Tracer for so long especially they are good friends and her chrono accelerator needs maintenance. (Maybe Tracer knows the basics?)
And then in reflections Tracer and Emily would celebrate Christmas with Winston, another question to why they didn't do so the previous years
(Too hard on any agents to meet each other?)
regal coyote
NO.
I am sure winston and tracer have maintained contact with each other
partly to service her chrono devices.
and yeah we do not know if they meet each other on a semi regular basis or not
but there is contact between these two
hasty surge
Ok then how do you explain when Tracer said it's been so long?
Would she had meant that if they had just met the previous Christmas?
regal coyote
dire timber
sounds like a bad theory
chances are, Maximilien didn't even exist yet at the time of the crisis
Zenyatta, for example, is 20
dire timber
it's a bad theory
regal coyote
that having said, it is not unlikelymax may have supported some of the assassinations
dire timber
Maximilien has nothing to do with the "eye", the connection is extremely forced there
regal coyote
but yes max would be at best around the age of zen
so he is NOT the reason for omnic crisis for sure
nor is he the eye
but maybe max does have hand in the assassinations
dire timber
well, yeah, he does want to cause the second Omnic Crisis
that's kind of what he and Doomfist are about
dire timber
shitposting will result in loss of access
"Doomfist did nothing wrong" is a shitpost
tranquil sun
doesn't make him a non-antagonist
he's technically evil in the lore because he harms the "good guys"
which is what he did "wrong"
iron plume
what he's doing wrong is leading a terrorist organization killing innocent people
whatever his ideology, there is no position where he's doing nothing wrong
regal coyote
right wrong who cares
Point is, he is most likely to be fighting against winston's gang for the msot part
killing innocent or not is not important
tranquil sun
is there a mind-control Talon villain? i certainly hope not—mind-control is such a ridiculous idea for an ability
iron plume
there's someone in Talon who has it in some form
because of what happened to Widowmaker
but it's very unlikely something like that would be in game
tranquil sun
im pretty sure she was brainwashed through experimentation then influenced
iron plume
that's the whole point of widow
we're not getting a rehash of the same thing
that's
terrible writing
nice meme
tranquil sun
Overwatch's writers aren't bad
dire timber
@candid wyvern @tranquil sun uh, no
Doomfist, Moira, and others are evil by any reasonable metric
"doesn't care about morals lol"
is what we call evil
leading a terrorist organization and working towards an explicit goal of causing a war that will kill millions
is what we call evil
and seriously @candid wyvern, quit shitposting
iron plume
@candid wyvern don't shitpost then
regal coyote
silg is going all morals again and pinging. =.=
I can argue they have their own set of morals not competable to you people but lets get back to lore.
Personally we read it as a superhero story, so the antagonist and the potagonist.
with a few extra random helpers, neutrals and what not.
and like all good dram there will be some heel-face or face-heel switch along the way
this does nto mee people will have to join ow/talon instead
it is just a change of loyalty
dire timber
uh
peak escarp
I think a change of loyalty is unlikely at this point
regal coyote
not yet
we are not even at the prologue of a story yet
in a way we are still at the "get ya group together" stage
not the quest stage
nova elbow
lol yeah if this was a TV show, we're still on the pilot
except they decided to run a lengthy prequel series halfway through the first episode
silver bay
you did an overwatch world DnD? sounds fun tbh
yea i'm not experienced with it. but that'd be a cute way to sort of work in the OW heroes into an OW themed Dnd
yes, lore, sorry. so will DF and Talon set off the powderkeg that is KingsRow?
yea DF often references it when you load into Kings Row as him. says 'talon is the flame that'll ignite the powderkeg' and some such
step one-blizzard gives us any story progression
nova elbow
it'd be neat if they did a sequel to Uprising called Downfall or something with the Neoverwatch team vs. Talon on an updated King's Row
dire timber
@silver bay they tried with the assassination of Mondatta
and apparently London had already experienced some riots because of that
silver bay
Doesn't that happen before the matches do? like the kings row map has teh mondotta memorial and the little picture with candles and all. and then in the DF comic he references that he heard about Widow's attack there while he was locked away.
so i assume they still see it as a place where a lot is going down
dire timber
also, the payload is a powerful EMP device that'd fry most of the omnic population
but that didn't happen yet
silver bay
ahhh good point!
placid spade
sry
silver bay
oh I hadn't seen anyone say that before.
placid spade
wrong
dire timber
they're accurate in terms of how characters would feel about something, or in terms of talking about their past
twilit geode
That's true.
dire timber
but not canon otherwise
silver bay
gotcha!
dire timber
so, for example, Rein doesn't actually know about Reaper being Reyes
even though he has lines indicating such
silver bay
and that's been confirmed in some way by devs?
twilit geode
Like doomfist and Orissa would never work together. But the voicelines present what would be said
dire timber
@silver bay yeah, they pretty much said that voice lines aren't exactly canon
silver bay
👌
dire timber
I think "what-if scenarios" came from me, though, cause it just seems like the best way to describe it
@twilit geode same with Tracer and Widow
twilit geode
Yeah
dire timber
they work on stuff like Shooting Star
and then release it
they've got most of it written down in advance, but they can't really talk about it
silver bay
i love the shorts but they're generic and 8 minutes, cant take that long.
dire timber
I've no doubt that there are at least 3 comic strips and 2 animated short storylines written down already
waiting to be illustrated and published
or animated, voiced, and published
respectively
silver bay
sweet! there's a month of work right there, as a stretch. how bout the other 11? i'm talking about writing. hahah
dire timber
Idk
cedar moon
Is the new hero on November thing real
silver bay
sorry, nothing aimed at you. i'm just like the rest of us, thirsty for plot and progression since it's all been set up!
twilit geode
I want some actual events after recall
silver bay
yea blizzcon is early Nov, so it's highly likely we'll see the new hero then
cedar moon
If it’s not a hero I’ll main I’ll me angers
nova elbow
what are the Rein/Reaper lines?
cunning ledge
Reinhardt says “Traitor!” occasionally upon killing Reaper
Canonically Reinhardt does not know Reaper is Reyes
It’s a fairly rare line to hear anyway because generally Reaper wins in a fight against Reinhardt in-game
twilit geode
Yeah reapers cancer on console
potent vapor
I think Reaper looks like that wormhole guy from My Hero Academia.
ya know, without the mask
twilit geode
Reapers probably a corrupted corpse below the mask.
potent vapor
Nah, if we're going with safe Blizzard is for kids route, I think he looks like a ~ghost~
Especially if they're gonna show his face sometime in the near future.
regal coyote
basically he looks like a techno-zombie
he still looks somewhat like reyes so ana can cecognize him
but bad enough so ana knows instantly something fucked up happened to him
limpid agate
he still looks somewhat like reyes
No
It was his voice Jack recognized almost immediately
Not a stretch that, if Ana didn't know it was him before hand, she also recognized his voice
The three were close
peak escarp
On the topic of story progression, it has only been about a year between Recall and the most recent lore chronologically (which would be the comic Searching)
I expect they're going to fill in that year a bit more before moving on
There's still a few ex-Overwatch we haven't seen respond to Recall
regal coyote
just remember not all overwatch agent that respond is action agent
some might be mooks or backend people
like flo the pilot
peak escarp
Well, I mean the heroes we know
peak escarp
We don't have official responses for Genji, Mercy, McCree, Torbjorn
peak escarp
I'm talking about former Overwatch
potent vapor
I'm still waiting for that giant red guy to be in the game.
peak escarp
Genji and Torb seem like they'll rejoin, but we don't have solid confirmation
potent vapor
Lucio would be a likely candidate.
peak escarp
Lucio would have to be recruited
limpid agate
The 4 heroes I have in possible limbo are from unclear sources
potent vapor
Hammond would do it since he's BFFs with Winston.
limpid agate
Genji talked about taking sides in Dragons, which was around Recall
peak escarp
Athena is an AI without a body
limpid agate
Brigitte likely joined with Reinhardt, considering her Origin story
peak escarp
How would she be a hero?
potent vapor
I would be surprised if Mercy would join, but I think she would need a good reason to.
limpid agate
And Bastion/Torb are together and the Blizzard World trailer is... Dubiously canon.
potent vapor
Like, if Mercy rejoins new Overwatch, then it's likely that Genji would join too. Or vice-versa.
limpid agate
Genji is more likely to join than Mercy
Mercy agrees that Overwatch shutting down was a good call
potent vapor
Make my Genji x Mercy fanfics a reality.
peak escarp
@potent vapor you could use the same argument for McCree
limpid agate
No, shippposting does not belong here
potent vapor
Nah, I mean Genji and Mercy care for each other. Maybe it's enough for both of them to join.
peak escarp
Genji returning could convince him to come back, since they were friends
limpid agate
Dont spam emotes @sudden chasm
potent vapor
I could see them writing in a way where Mercy changes her mind.
dire timber
@potent vapor I don't think Genji's involvement would affect Mercy's decision much, honestly
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
The trailer for Blizzard World?
All of the map trailers that year came with lore.
And the ending of this one was....
Questionable
peak escarp
The end shows Tracer, Torb and Bastion together, implying that Torb/Bastion joined new Overwatch
limpid agate
And Winston
dire timber
the trailer itself is definitely canon in-universe
limpid agate
Yeah
dire timber
as in, the trailer for Blizzardworld
but whether Winston & co. were just casually watching it on TV... that's the questionable part
worthy rose
I really wish they would animate the Symmetra comic.
limpid agate
They have it with Madefire animation
A Better World: http://bit.ly/2fDPGP8
Sounds, music, and some small motions
worthy rose
Nice.
nova elbow
the specific choice of characters make it seem like they were implying that
Tracer and Winston are the mascots but Torb and Bastion seem an odd pair to have with them
like if it was just four random heroes, I'd expect Genji or someone
regal coyote
i think they have torb + bastion so we get a timeline on where it happens
we know it happens after torby get his pet bastion
also there are other implication as well
like rein would be joining soon after, and along comes brig
we know if brig is going all paladin she would be with overwatch
silver bay
same!
i want torb to figure out how to miniaturize it and just drop mini bastions everywhere
frosty shell
I wouldn't be surprised if Soldier recognized Reaper from his powers
He might've used them during the fight
at OW HQ
iron plume
...
he did have them
he had his powers as of Retribution, which was before the fall
valid shell
@candid wyvern Reyes did have his powers at the time of the Swiss HQ incident.
regal coyote
@iron plume @valid shell actually we do not know for sure
Probably has at least some power
but may not be the final form like currently
actually for sure not up to the current condition during retribution and uprising
valid shell
We know he has his capabilities from Retribution.
regal coyote
cinematics showed none
so it might just be gameplay
i would say he at least got some upgrades from moira, not sure how much of it
peak escarp
Assuming the dialogue is canon, Reyes was being experimented on as of Retribution
So he could have had the beginnings of his powers
rose jetty
Im feel like this is wrong but didn’t reaper get his powers from mercy’s early attempts at resurrection?
haughty thorn
Moira did the stuff to reaper
lean prawn
res is non-canon iirc
peak escarp
correct
potent vapor
Did Chu actually said res is non canon
potent vapor
yet
For all we know, Overwatch probably injected their agents with nanomachines or whatever that only Mercy can use to revive them.
I'm pretty sure they can write in how it works. This is the same world where Hanzo and Genji can summon spirit dragons.
valid shell
I mean, sure.
They can do anything, even something as awful as that. But let's hope they don't.
peak escarp
that sounds idiotic
worthy rose
It’s unlikely seeing as how they have there own stories all ready and wouldn’t need “nano machines” like Winston is strong due to his past and same with soldier, you see? Most overwatch heros didn’t need boosts due to their own personal past.
plain cradle
I wonder if maximillian will ever be a hero.
valid shell
@plain cradle I sure hope so.
plain cradle
I always like to predict the next hero
hasty surge
@plain cradle who do you think is the next hero then?
plain cradle
hmmmm
havent thought about it too much yet
but I usually make like a top 5
and maximillian is definetly on there 😛
plain cradle
well another is defiently that liao or however you spell it
the only meember of overwatch who isnt in the game
tbh I would love to see the jetpack cat XD
especailly since they designed it for the game then put it on the back burner what with the hamster it seems more and more like a real posibility
hasty surge
We don't even know if liao was retcon though
But it was be interesting to see the last founder be up in the game
Meanwhile Maximilian 😍
plain cradle
yeah
plain cradle
well that's what I meant haha XD
hasty surge
I think it was a typo on his part
valid shell
Also jetpack cat ain't happening.
limpid agate
^
plain cradle
a kid can dream
peak escarp
Hammond was the only opportunity for jetpack cat to happen
limpid agate
Yup
limpid agate
Never gonna happen.
limpid agate
Not lore
regal coyote
@limpid agate i would say it is super highly unlikely jetpack play would be playable
but being a character like in lore or spray is likely
regal coyote
my point is up there, there is a "trying to be a jetpack cat"
peak escarp
and Mitzy is even in a spray too
regal coyote
but we dont know if it worked
peak escarp
limpid agate
Jetpack Cat will never be a hero.
regal coyote
yes more than that
peak escarp
this is your jetpack cat
whether you accept it or not
the flying mechanism didn't work
it was a joke idea
regal coyote
:3
peak escarp
that the devs dropped in favour of Hammond
regal coyote
yes I am fine with it not playable, it is still lovely
i just like more characters and stories, playale or not
limpid agate
@plain cradle Shitposting will result in a loss of access
plain cradle
A lot of the characters in game still don't have enough lore. I want more lore for the existing characters first
Also it's not a shitpost but it is fanfiction and I didn't notice that part
So I am sorry
I want more Lucio lore though
potent vapor
They released about four canon comics in the second Anthology so far. They gotta start back on releasing comics coinciding with new hero releases.
plain cradle
Yeah the comics are great
potent vapor
There are comics for other Blizzard properties. Some of which have monthly issues. I don't see why Overwatch haven't received equal treatment yet.
plain cradle
I also like the voice lines
like for example when Orisa says to Torbjorn "You are responsible in part for my creation" and he says "Why does that feel like an accusation"
limpid agate
There probably wont be a second anthology
peak escarp
well, Orisa isn't wrong
Torbjorn designed omnic models before the crisis, which may have included the OR line
plain cradle
yeah. I just like when they have lines like that in the starting room
potent vapor
There is the second anthology starting with the Doomfist comic.
limpid agate
No, theres more comics
potent vapor
I'm just going off from the physical anthology collection.
limpid agate
There probably wont be a second anthology
potent vapor
So what you're saying is that they won't print a physical second anthology to be sold on shelves?
limpid agate
That is what I am saying
potent vapor
Yeah, no. Considering how much Blizzard loves to merchandise OW, I think there will be a second anthology. Give it time for them to release enough comics by the end of this year.
Yeah, it's just that they're very slow because the writers are more focused on seeing what fans want from the universe.
peak escarp
it might take a year or two to get enough comics for a second edition at this rate
plain cradle
Yeah the comics have been quite slow
limpid agate
The first book also probably flopped
Which would explain the slowdown
Its got a pretty poor sales record on Amazon
timid eagle
I picked it up to support them, both physical and digital release.
potent vapor
It would help if they have a monthly series that's sold in comic book shops.
but yea, I think it's more of a writer issue than a sales issue
potent vapor
It was a graphic novel, not a serial.
limpid agate
IIRC, it was gonna release in issues before the full book was complete
Correct me if Im wrong
peak escarp
I only found out about it when it was cancelled, so I don't know
potent vapor
peak escarp
in the New Year dev update Jeff said they planned to explore more about the Recall this year in comics/shorts
potent vapor
The rate of comics and short movies happened very quick around the release of the game since it was all understandably to hype up the game.
peak escarp
so they do have comics planned apparently
I thought one of the devs mentioned somewhere that they wanted to do longer comics - more than 12 pages
but I don't remember where I saw that
or when
potent vapor
I'll believe it when I see it.
As in, they can talk the talk, but I want to see them walk the walk.
peak escarp
I remain skeptical but optimistic
potent vapor
Blizzcon seems like a safe bet that they will announce anything for more lore that virtually everyone has been asking for.
I still want them to make a monthly comic series.
peak escarp
I would too
potent vapor
I do think that there is some slight disconnect with how to tell the major crux of the story. Of course there are the fans who will engage in nearly piece of lore available, but there are other people who will only get their story from just the game.
Not saying it needs a single-player campaign, but I do think they should cool down on the holiday-oriented stuff and focus on just story events. That, or try to make the holiday theme around the story.
timid eagle
Like, for example, the Winter Wonderland event is replaced with an event that takes place in Russia on Christmas eve, where the Second Omnic Crisis goes global?
limpid agate
Thats not gonna happen
Your best bet for PvE is non-canon Halloween
And canon Archives
If you want more
Pray for DLC
Because they aint gonna replace an event with more story
potent vapor
maybe they're finally realizing event-based loot boxes aren't really a viable fund
Unless if it's still selling like hot cakes.
All of my hopes and dreams for better events died when I realized Junkerstein was just a small update of the same event. It was nice that they gave it a comic though, even if it makes no sense in the context of Reinhardt telling his story to his OW buds.
peak escarp
Retribution proved that they can do better events, they just have to start them a year in advance
and with the Archives event taking up so much of their resources, it's likely to be the only large event we get every year
hasty surge
Only junkerstein and possibly lunar new years gets a "lore" of their own
Story on how the heroes defend the door every year
dire timber
@rose jetty @potent vapor nothing about Mercy's rez is canon, and she had nothing to do with what happened to Reaper
except maybe for the fact that Moira based her tech on Mercy's
I know people already said it, but I wanted to make it extra clear
rose jetty
Thought so, thank you for answering
regal coyote
@limpid agate there is still chance of us getting some canon panels in halloween though (not story fantasy panel)
like, another halloween party with some of the new crew. It does not have to be a big thing, just them together and rein start telling a sequel story again.
Same goes with christms, can be some simple reflections like small tale.
personally i think these simple tales give mroe backgroujnd than anything else about how each of them is like when not on mission.
I mean, the "sadman" reaper give more insight of the current reaper than the diediedie reaper
regal coyote
yes story within a story
dapper shuttle
Hi, I was looking at the game files and they added GENDER to the "strings" of text for each hero
Bastion
Description: Once a frontline combatant in the Omnic Crisis, this curious Bastion unit now explores the world, fascinated by nature but wary of a fearful humanity.
Gender: Unspecified
Color: #ff1a2b14
██████
Loadouts:
Self-Repair: Ability
Hold to heal yourself.
Reconfigure: Ability
Switch between weapon configurations.
Configuration: Sentry: Weapon
Immobile with a powerful rotary cannon.
Configuration: Recon: Weapon
Mobile with a light automatic weapon.
Configuration: Tank: UltimateAbility
Mobile with a powerful cannon.
Ironclad: PassiveAbility
Reduces damage taken while transformed.
But ZENYATTA
Zenyatta
Description: Zenyatta is an omnic monk who wanders the world in search of spiritual enlightenment. It is said that those who cross his path are never the same again.
Gender: Male
Color: #fff8da1a
██████
Loadouts:
Orb of Destruction: Weapon
Energy projectile weapon.
Orb of Destruction: Weapon
Charge to release more projectiles.
Orb of Discord: Ability
Launch this orb at an enemy to increase the damage they take.
Orb of Harmony: Ability
Launch this orb at an ally to heal them.
Transcendence: UltimateAbility
Become invulnerable, move faster, and heal nearby allies.
is confirmed to be Male
round bough
Hold on oMNICS HAVE GENDER 
dapper shuttle
they do now
worthy rose
female omnic when
dapper shuttle
Also Orisa is female.
worthy rose
ohyeh
dapper shuttle
And all the other "event" omnics (including the Talon troops are "unspecified")
dire timber
@round bough uh, yeah?
they do
we knew that since launch
Zenyatta is a he
Orisa is a she
Lynx is a they
Bastion is an it
round bough
I just assumed ;-;
dire timber
for most omnics, it's mostly a matter of what they feel suits them best
dire timber
except Orisa, whose identity seems determined by her programming
and Bastion, who was just a mass-produced war machine
and Lynx 17 is an omnic from a comic, Searching
brisk harbor
nova elbow
@dapper shuttle do you have all of those hexcodes somewhere?
dapper shuttle
what hex codes?
Oh you mean the color codes
uh, no?
Just search them up online?
I don't know what it is exacltyyou want
nova elbow
yeah, the colour codes for each hero
frosty shell
The gender thing might be for the few gender-specific voicelines?
Like Ana's "Warihum quwitak" changes depending on the gender of who it's referring to
regal coyote
most likely
tropic stream
do you guys think that a latin american character would fit in the lore?
(overwatch had a place on arequipa, peru)
iron plume
well for one, there already is one
tropic stream
i mean, from sa
tropic stream
related directly to overwatch as an organization (sorry if i can't explain everything)
iron plume
but that aside, pre-fall overwatch was such a widespread organization that no single country would really be out of place
whether we need more ex-overwatch agents is another question though
regal coyote
^
We still need a black female as a hero
I mean we have an overwatch agent, but it is not playable and we have next to no info on her
peak escarp
I'd love to see more former Overwatch
regal coyote
maybe some former ones, the younger ones
they seem to aim for next gen ow
so most will be younger ones like winston and tracer
twilit geode
No we don't want to force diversity that's how games are ruined. If blizzard forces a black girl in there is just gonna be backlash. Same if they forced another white dude people would freak out saying like why isn't there an Indian or some shit
peak escarp
people will complain no matter what
Blizzard should just give us the heroes they want to give us and not worry about it
and according to a recent interview with some devs, that's exactly what they're doing
ionic sentinel
How extacly are they forcing diversity by adding a black female hero?
swift pivot
There are no female black heroes
twilit geode
Cause people have been complaining about it since brigitte
ionic sentinel
Its just a character who is black
twilit geode
No female black heroes but Orissa was built by a black girl, and has a black accent.
peak escarp
I once saw someone try to argue that "Black only refers to african-americans - people from Africa should not be called black"
swift pivot
Well if they add a white hero, people rage, if they add a black hero, people rage, if they add an Asian hero, people rage
twilit geode
I mean this is like when they made tracer gay cause there were no gay heroes. Itl just be a shit show
Yeah we rage over anything
swift pivot
People raged over Tracer being gay as well
peak escarp
they didn't "make Tracer gay" because there are no gay heroes
ionic sentinel
Tracer seemed gay anyway
peak escarp
they made Tracer gay because that's her character
it's like when people say "oh, Pharah is only half-First Nations so they can justify giving her a culturally appropriative skin"
no, she was half First Nations first, and then they gave her those skins
twilit geode
As long as it's not too anti white blizzard could pull of a black girl. It just depends because there are no black character s in the lord like Brigitte was. It would be interesting. A lot of time when companies force diversity like battlefield 5 it is just stupid and make the company look bad. I don't want that for blizzard
peak escarp
that's how character design works
twilit geode
Lore
swift pivot
Developing lore and games is just really hard
No matter what the developing company does, people rage
twilit geode
Yeah especially with a game community like ow
ionic sentinel
Sorry but "forcing diversity" isnt a thing..they need to appeal to evry player thats their marketing strategy...
I dont like the word forced
Noone is making u play only black heroes
twilit geode
So should they make a Chinese dude. There are Japanese dudes but not chinese and therr are more Chinese dudes playing than black women. Don't get me wrong I'm all for diversity but if it's done right
ionic sentinel
People raging over ethnicities about heroes should just read a book first
Its their company theyre gonna choose
twilit geode
And there are probably more Indian dudes playing so should they make a Indian man a hero. They already have the lord for it and with India being the second most populated country in the world they could make a good character
ionic sentinel
Do you even know if they have a large indian playerbase?
twilit geode
Do they have a large African American women playerbase?
twilit geode
This is hard because if we pull the diversity card there are so many diversities that don't have a hero lol
And it seems like appeasing one will make the others rage
ionic sentinel
Everyone who rages over a heroes ethnicity doenst have the sharpest mind
twilit geode
That's true lol
regal coyote
well yeah, too much cultural appropriation shit and political correctness shit really.
But when I suggest that I do think it can be done, since vast area of related places dont have heroes yet.
Also orisa does not count for anything, she an omnic
twilit geode
Yeah that's why I dislike the People who are mad we got a hamster before a black girl
regal coyote
that said.
I do think it is a bit silly to be a giant hamster, as mucha s i love hamster
something like a racoon makes much more sense.
twilit geode
I think overwatch is trying to be cool and avoid pc. I think they learned from making tracer gay that gamers hate pc culture
peak escarp
Certain parts of the community assume everyone is gay already *coughTumblrcough*
twilit geode
Yeah except there would be no next gen
peak escarp
The world would be better if everyone stopped caring so much about other people's preferences
twilit geode
Couldn't agree more doctor 6
ionic sentinel
100/100
peak escarp
Anyway, this is getting off topic
twilit geode
But sadly that's not the world we live in and that caring about dumb shit has bled into own and that's where we get these dumb idiot saying that we need diversity and that we don't need diversity. Can't we all just get along
regal coyote
^
but i agree, just let people be whoever they want to be and love whoever they wanna love. and stop sticking it into other people's business
also ow is doing fine on average
and srsly gameplay aside the heros are lovely
regal coyote
tea... thought it would be chocolate
peak escarp
And in a panel at Sacanime he said that Wrecking Ball interactions will be added in an upcoming patch, and a lot of the lore they're working on now is still laying the groundwork for later plots and stories
Setting up villains, showing who answered Recall, highlighting heroes who will likely get recruited into Overwatch, etc
(That last part is my speculation - Chu only said the bit about groundwork)
The lead writer on StarCraft helped design the other MEKA pilots
peak escarp
That explains Overlord having so many SC references
I think Overlord is the only SC player, but that's unconfirmed
DVa, DMon and King are confirmed to be esports players
peak escarp
They wouldn't have gotten there in time to stop the omnics
Also, MEKA is part of the army
It's DVa's job to stop the gwishin
olive karma
But why didn't she even bother to contact them?
worthy rose
How come taehyun (sorry if i got the name wrong) didnt call anybody when everything was happening?
peak escarp
I believe Dae-hyun did call for help
He says at one point "get to cover and wait for reinforcements"
Which implied that the reinforcements were already called
peak escarp
Yes
That's how they were able to airlift DVa out so quickly
She might have died otherwise
worthy rose
That makes sense
While i doubt it will happen i really want to see more of the other pilots
olive karma
Also what if the omnic reached the city with her mech?
worthy rose
I really hope they werent made as backdrop
peak escarp
Then it would have blown up over the city
Good thing DVa was smart and triggered the explosion early
worthy rose
The others look way more interesting than dva imo
Even their names are cooler. "Demon" "Casino" "King" "Overlord" and then...."Diva" like....ok
cedar moon
Casino sound slick
limpid agate
King is the least interesting right now
Casino is the most interesting for story implication
regal coyote
agree
limpid agate
Overlord is the most interesting for gameplay purposes
regal coyote
casino best for story progression
Demon for interpersonal relationship and background lore
cedar moon
I think D.mon is most likely to get in Overwatch, tho it’s unlikely we’d get another mech char
worthy rose
Casino also looks like more effort went into his design
regal coyote
overlord have the most interesting mech, but least playable, as much as i love to yelol Funnel everytime i attack
also thank god overlord is a boy
if a girl she would be fucked
curse of all "funnel" user, if a girl usually die unfortunate death.
worthy rose
In fact the others even have better designs than dva
regal coyote
And D.Mon have lovely character design, but mech is a pretty standard "grunt mech" even in other series
regal coyote
tbh overlord would work fine as a playable character, but in hots
worthy rose
As much as i dont think itll happen i want all the meka pilots as playable heroes
valid shell
It won't.
worthy rose
Thank you for your optimism
regal coyote
actually i see ONE pilot to be playable
and hopefully another one as ech warrior, if blizz introduce that
Casino seems to be maybe playable
judging from the amount of time they spend to the meka design
i mean with veritech and what not
valid shell
I wouldn't want 5 Korean heroes from the same organization anyways.
That's a waste of hero slots.
runic scroll
a non-MEKA Korean military hero
from a branch of service that's like "fuck MEKA bruh"
joking aside, D.Va took way too many of S. Korea's cultural concepts that could have been distributed to other Korean heroes
compulsory military service? check
professional gamer? check
K-pop? check
well, if you take her appearances in movies and stuff as k-pop, not necessarily the music
idk if her lore includes a career in music
iron plume
it doesn't
runic scroll
eh
either way, it's like Blizz just took everything they thought to be Korean and crammed it into one character
I feel like the next Korean hero, if one is ever released, would be just a regular character that could have been any nationality
and still have worked
not that there's anything wrong with it
valid shell
Don't hold your breath when there's a dozen other regions without heroes.
regal coyote
yes this.
but on the otehr hand hero also ties to areas with more players
so if it is an area with little to no players having a hero there is of less piority, unless story related
so yeah it is obvious korea get a nice treatment
limpid agate
We're not gonna get a Korean hero that isn't MEKA
Every single Korean character we know is tied to MEKA
Theres little reason to make a new one with no relation
regal coyote
^
tawny patio
Did RIP just imply Korean culture is pro gaming kpop and forced military service..
That’s...kinda fucked up
rose jetty
Mines Genji :3 but this channels only for lore so probably don’t be texting random stuff 😛
iron plume
Genji isn't Talon
nova elbow
a new MEKA hero is plausible, though, given that Brigitte was added not long after her appearance in Honour & Glory
runic scroll
@tawny patio how is that fucked up? those are some of the things that Korea is currently widely known for
I didn't say that's the entirety of Korean culture
those are pretty instantly identifiable/usable traits to make a hero more Korean, imo more so than just plastering traditional garbs out of nowhere
those three things are parts of korean culture != korean culture is those three things
limpid agate
I wouldnt say mandatory military service is something Korea is known for
Lots of countries have that
Its nothing special
runic scroll
eh it's not unique but if you had an asian hero who is set to be a Korean hero
then you say he/she is in mandatory service
it adds to the Koreanness
not that it's unique to Korea
it doesn't necessarily have to be unique to that country for it to be something that people associate that country with
at least, I've had a bunch of people ask me if I had to go through the mandatory military service when I tell them I'm Korean
potent vapor
Just chalk up D.Va as a volunteer to the service of her country rather than being "forced" into it.
Makes for better writing imo
runic scroll
I'd say recruited
not forced, not necessarily out of nowhere volunteer
was offered a position, and she took it type of deal
iron plume
I don't see how that's better writing
especially because it's the exact same story of Zarya
runic scroll
Zarya is definitely voluntary afaik
runic scroll
and yeah agreed, I don't think it makes things any better or worse
iron plume
making dva volunteer out of nowhere because of her sense of duty would be the same story as Zarya
runic scroll
Top stars were drafted, including reigning world champion Hana Song, also known as "D.Va."
according to OW official bio
you CAN technically defer when you're drafted
so you could say she wasn't "forced"
but yeah drafting is kinda forced in the end in the sense that you have to go sometime
valid shell
Draft definitely means she didn't have a say.
Not to say she didn't go willingly - Hana obviously wanted to protect her country.
twilit geode
Well I think if they made it public she denied the draft she might lose a lot of fans or just be shamed. I don't know though
twilit geode
That is true in the cinematic she was shown to have a sense of duty. And growing up her city was decimated by omnics apparently so that might be why she fought
last sorrel
I remember her saying something like “Defending my country!” with a sense of pride too.
runic scroll
@valid shell yeah, that’s what I meant by “kinda forced” as in you’ve been called, and you can go now or later but you don’t have a say as to whether or not you will go
At least legally
valid shell
Post-Omnic Crisis is likely an entirely different world.
And I doubt that choice is offered.
dire timber
whew, looks like I missed something
@twilit geode boy, you'd really hate that one thread of mine
also, lmao "anti-white"
asking for some representation for people of color isn't "anti-white", mate
regal coyote
How is ow anti white when a huge portion of the cast is "white" as it is
But I think ow have a reasonable balanced cast
the world is just not flushed out completely yet
Also what we are asking for is not minority that hardly plays ow, but something that is well within the playerbase and fanbase.
last sorrel
“We need a chinese hero” ...Mei?
regal coyote
I can understand things like a blind old lady who lives in the mountains for decades not repesented, cause I mean theya re never part of the fan base ever, but stuff we ask for is basically part of the player base.
already ahve chinese hero
though south east asia does benefit from a hero.
last sorrel
Anyway, how do we know the MEKA designs, the names of the team and stuff?
regal coyote
We have the meka names, the pilot names and the callsign
there is no team name yet we know of
so no "power rangers name" so to speak
we also know there is that lady nick fury type of character, who is the voice in the map
dire timber
I just want a black lady as a hero tbh
regal coyote
pretty sure it is not just you
we have one in namedrop, just not playable
now we need a playable one
peak escarp
@last sorrel the designs of the MEKA were seen in the animated short Shooting Star, and the full names of the pilots can be found on the Busan map
last sorrel
I must not have been playing attn to the short
And yeah we do need a black lady and sea heroes.
peak escarp
dire timber
@valid shell is it really the only thing? I thought we agreed on some other stuff too
valid shell
I guess we agree that Mercy didn't resurrect Reyes and turn him into Reaper.
last sorrel
I wonder how the Caribbean dealt with the crisis, or global warming did it for them by this time.
valid shell
@last sorrel It's a totally untouched region that's perfect for a completely unique genre, rather than the last few heroes being from established areas and factions or heavily tied to existing characters.
eternal badge
I don’t know why but when I think Caribbean I think junkrat and road hog
last sorrel
They can’t do a lot in that region then
peak escarp
Junk and Hog are Australian
last sorrel
Lmao if they didn’t fight the omnic crisis what’s the point of making a hero originating there