And he's got Harold's glasses.
#lore-discussion
frosty shell
@valid shell Because there isn't much lore evidence for Sombra being a Talon grunt
peak escarp
Sombra's is questionable because in her origin short, she goes straight to her classic look
frosty shell
I think Winston's glasses aren't the same ones Harold wore
They're just matching ones made for him
peak escarp
There was a bts for Recall back in 2016 that said basically that
valid shell
Until we see Harold's corpse floating in space with his glasses intact and frosted over, I'm guessing Winston wears his.
Also what is it with Blizzard and having first names for last names.
Harold Winston, Reinhardt Wilhelm.
peak escarp
That's very dark Binge
Also, if they are Harold's, they've been smashed at least once
limpid agate
Two first names must have been a thing in early development.
It has not really happened since.
valid shell
Thing is Wilhelm Reinhardt is a fine name.
worthy rose
Blizz is pretty slow with lore that I’ve thought in my head multiple new characters and different stories.
limpid agate
As slow as they are, this is not a fanfiction channel.
worthy rose
I ain’t gonna type it out for one I’m lazy and two im lazy
Plus I wasn’t planning on sharing anyways
valid shell
@worthy rose Then why even post.
You say you're lazy, but you've wasted our time and yours.
worthy rose
What's the lore on Nano Cola
peak escarp
it's funny that you call it mountain dew
because in Canada, there are laws against clear sodas (like Mountain Dew) having caffiene
worthy rose
huh
peak escarp
so for a while it was marketed as an energy drink
worthy rose
Laws against soda? 
worthy rose
Lul in Merica anything goes
peak escarp
I think the regulation was changed or something, because it's not marketed as an energy drink anymore
worthy rose
Eh either way nano cola isn’t crazy new lore
worn night
OMG GUYS CONSPIRACY THEORY
worthy rose
Lmao
worthy rose
oh boy
worn night
Ana saw amazing health benfits
And power ups from it
And that's why her ult is nano boost
She injects people with nano cola
peak escarp
what's your evidence then?
limpid agate
@worn night Shitposting will result in a loss of access
Consider this your final warning.
regal coyote
A more conspiracy theory is that a red light on omnic may mean rage or controlled
but i dont see solid proof yet
dapper shuttle
regal coyote
also null sector
dire timber
it's not an indicator of anything special, I would say
it's just an ominous, intimidating look
and it happens to be used in combat programming
but that's basically it
limpid agate
Null Sector didnt have red lights
They were orange/yellow
Easiest way to tell the difference is Bastion's skins
Omnic Crisis and Null Sector
peak escarp
we don't have any proof that the gwishin or Bastion were being "controlled", only following pre-set programming
Okoro is the only case where red eyes = controlled
regal coyote
pharah comic
regal coyote
Interesting thing isthat anubus's eyes are red also, so it may just be the case of showing us "these guys are controlled by that giant red eye thing so they ahve same colored eyes"
candid wyvern
i mean typically
glowy eyes = bad
and that's about as much thought as would go into it
peak escarp
yes
that's what I figured too
but there's always gotta be a secret plot or something
hasty surge
Well they might not have decided it from the start
As they go on they might realised most of their bad/evil ominics has that and make it a plot
regal coyote
overwatch is a bit of a cyberpunk story, and as such conspiracy is built into lore
candid wyvern
eeeh
not massively cyberpunk
genji is like the closest it gets but we see fairly little of how people actually treat him
frosty shell
Sombra is the closest
candid wyvern
sombra touches on the corporate side of it
Genji touches on the technology and transhumanism side
candid wyvern
i always considered her to be an anti-mage rip-off
peak escarp
There's still not nearly as much conspiracy as the fans like to think there is
Soldier mentions a conspiracy that took down Overwatch in his origin trailer
And that's about it?
Overwatch is supposed to be an optimistic future
So there's no sense in making everything grimdark
dire timber
don't even get me started on that, haha
people are so obsessed with that word
"conspiracy"
to the point they think he's talking about the same thing that Sombra's looking into
even though it's just as likely that he just suspects Talon itsead
peak escarp
Sombra is looking into who "runs the world"
Which may not even be a someone
She just assumes someone is pulling the strings
Sombra is like OW fans, looking for a conspiracy where none (probably) exists
candid wyvern
idk dude if you have shit like the rigged DNC and the 2016 South Korean puppet government then imagine what you could do in a universe that is fictional
limpid agate
I dont see what that has to do with Overwatch
peak escarp
OW is supposed to be optimistic
peak escarp
And optimistically, the world isn't run by conspiracies
peak escarp
There's still no evidence of all these conspiracies that fans like to invent
A lot of them are based on false assumptions
candid wyvern
if there were then they wouldn't be conspiracies 🤔
peak escarp
Like Athena being a god program
If you talk about conspiracies without any proof, you end up looking crazy
Tin-foil hat crazy
We prefer to deal in facts
peak escarp
We discuss and speculate plenty too
dense cedar
Where do you think the purple cube is going
peak escarp
But you can't just make up a theory based on nothing and expect everyone to agree with you
candid wyvern
if everyone agreed it wouldn't be a conspiracy 🤔
limpid agate
@dense cedar Dont try to @ everyone
@candid wyvern "Everyone" agreed with mercy making Reaper long ago, even though the theory was made up of 90% bullshit.
Just because its popular doesn't mean its true
Stop trying to argue semantic.
peak escarp
Basically everyone thought it was true
I still see people who think it's true, or try to work Mercy's involvement into the Moira narrative
limpid agate
It is still misconcepted as a "Retcon" when they made Moira
That godawful Dorkly video doesnt help
peak escarp
I've seen people angry at Moira for "ruining Mercy's backstory"
candid wyvern
Availability heuristic =/= everyone believes this
peak escarp
I can provide links, but I'd rather not have to
It's the most commonly held misconception in Overwatch
candid wyvern
what about the misconception that Winston isn't a main tank
peak escarp
That's not lore related
regal coyote
Overwatch is optimistic ye
but that does not mean everything is sunshine sparkles
even ponys fuck up sometimes
so yeah there is an up and coming omnic war, and there are conspiracies
but even with that,, the world at large is okish
and in general it is getting better than the first omnic war, so to speak
haughty thorn
I wonder if mercy and moira have ever actually met in lore
limpid agate
They know of each other
At the very least
Mercy doesn't respect Moira, but Moira respects Mercy's accomplishments.
regal coyote
kinda sad really
while it is obvious mercy would disagree with moira's method, at least she should respect that moira did made obvious breakthough on stuff
granted her reports are not exactly complete but the demostration she showed are undeniable
tranquil sun
well, it does look like there's an openable lid down there
dire timber
@worthy rose his lower body is intact
are you deliberately trying to make this conversation as crass as possible?
I already told you the answer
do you know what "intact" means?
quit it
@limpid agate
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
worthy rose
I mean theoretically it would be cybernetic....
But then that leaves a lot of unanswered questions, so yea moving on
dire timber
it's not cybernetic
like I said
his lower body is intact
what's so hard to understand about this sentence
frank timber
How does zenyatta float...
limpid agate
@frank timber Omnic Energies.
But it shouldnt be that odd
Considering so much of what's in Overwatch floats
Cars, lights, stones, scooters, vacuums, bombs, weather drones
worthy rose
They got that futuristic tecknologh
candid wyvern
magic
peak escarp
Magic does not exist in Overwatch
worthy rose
Proof?
It could
From what I know there was nothing saying magic didn’t exist
Am I wrong
dire timber
eh, devs were pretty explicit about this
Moira is going to be the closest OW ever gets to magic
is what they said
and as we know, there's nothing particularly magical about Moira
worthy rose
Ye
worthy rose
I can dream
dire timber
no magic in the canon OW universe
you can toy with the idea in the HotS version of the OW universe though
which is not canon for OW, but is a thing in HotS, I guess
worthy rose
I’m not surprised
dense estuary
Moira tech is loosely similar to that which Mercy uses only taken well beyond what is Ethical
If I remember right that is why those two are on bad terms. Moira is more “the question should not be why? It should be Why Not?”
(Yes that is a cave Johnson from aperture science quote but it does kinda fit Moira)
peak escarp
Pretty much
Although it's unclear whether they have ever actually met, or just know each other by reputation
twilit geode
Wait if majic doesn't exist what about dragonblade and hanzos ult.
No fucking way that's tech
Unless it's like symetras light technology though why that belongs to a Japanese mafia doesn't make sense
peak escarp
It probably is hard light
Vishkar doesn't have a monopoly on hard light
The crusaders had hard light shields
Orisa has a hard light shield
twilit geode
But hard light is mostly barriers. Plus hanzos dragons come from his arm into a normal arrow
Also he said only a shimada can control the dragons which wouldn't add up if it was tech because everyone could use it
hasty surge
I don't think the Dragons are hardlight
twilit geode
But no majic, weird
dire timber
@twilit geode it could be that the tech is simply a family secret
with only members of the Shimada clan being trained for it and granted access to it
twilit geode
Still the tech sounds very complicated so it will be hard to consistently train only offspring and no one else
The reason I say only offspring is because a clan can mean 100s of people so hanzo wouldn't be as surprised when genji controlled his ultimate
dire timber
I am referring to the family right now, not the organization
twilit geode
I gtg I'll speculate more later
peak escarp
Symmetra's turrets and teleporter are also made of hard light
worthy rose
^^no duh lol
timid eagle
Lucio’s turntable is also made out of HL, along with the stuff he can do.
valid shell
Lucio's turntable might not be canon.
dim horizon
Hard light definitely feels like a concept that has so much more potential. I wouldn't be surprised if we another hard light focused hero further down the pipeline. It seems like there's a lot of stuff/options you could explore and just explain with "It's hard light."
quasi fern
Symm can create anything out of hard light and they give her a wall you can walk through
limpid agate
I wouldn't be surprised if we another hard light focused hero further down the pipeline
May I interest you in Sanjay, Symmetra's boss and one of the seats in Talon's higher council? @dim horizon
dim horizon
Sanjay and/or Maximilien definitely need to find their way into the game at some point.
valid shell
I hope with generous gaps between them, we have enough Talon fatigue at the moment.
limpid agate
I would love to see them as hero 30
dim horizon
Aye. If I had to pick one to be sooner rather than later, it would probably be Maximilien. Evil!Zenyatta, I could see him having a gambling/casino theme to his abilities given his background so far. A robot Gambit of sorts.
limpid agate
I could see Max filling a gangster type. Robot Al Capone.
valid shell
We know so little about his resources and influence that he can be literally anything atm.
limpid agate
Or your choice of Robert De Niro character
cedar galleon
I'll have a new main if they put max in the game
valid shell
Honestly, either of the two could be offed in a future plot development and replaced with a playable Talon councilman.
dim horizon
True. Amongst the cowboys, samurai and warrior monks there's still a few classic archetypes they haven't used yet and the old-school Mafia-style gangster seems ripe for the Overwatch treatment.
And yeah, narratively speaking they currently exist to occupy the role of 'foil' to various other characters. Quite possible they just end up being subverted by an entirely new character.
When I was first getting into the lore I thought Sanjay might exist solely to have there be someone for Symmetra to 'usurp' at Vishkar when she rises through the ranks.
valid shell
Sanjay has the potential to be cool, very cold and corporate evil, like the Corpus from Warframe, or even Cave Johnson from Portal 2.
But he could just as easily be written out of the plot and nobody would shed too many tears.
He's just untapped potential atm.
restive flower
Sanjay could become the support Symmetra once was
valid shell
The vague limits of hard-light allow Sanjay to be anything atm.
restive flower
I don't see him as a Tank
dim horizon
He could turn up sitting in a huge transparent mech-suit made of hard-light for all we know.
"How does that even work?" "Hard light." "Yeah but physically that shouldn't even--" "HARD. LIGHT."
valid shell
I totally see him as a tank.
restive flower
Scatter Arrows is still canon to the OW lore
how do they even work
1 arrow -> 6
dim horizon
We already know how they work. Simple geometry.
restive flower
hoooly crap in the short they actually scatter into like 20
but they're normal sized arrows
valid shell
Who knows.
jade stirrup
Imagine if they reinstate scatter but it does split into 20 very low dmg arrows like 6 dmg each?
restive flower
that would make it shit
Blizzard admitted the point of Scatter and Storm Arrows is to kill Tanks
Scatter used to be able to one-shot Orisa and Zarya
if Scatter did 6 damage, armor would cut it in half and make it worthless against Tanks (except Roadhog and Zarya)
valid shell
Less gameplay discussion here pls.
limpid agate
Wonder if they will expand the Junkenstein story some more, or move on to a new Halloween event
I think they might go the Bride of Junkenstein route
rose escarp
are there any plausible dps type characters that may be added you think?
hasty surge
Is it possible to have a 3rd junker instead of the queen to be added as hero 29?
hasty surge
Does evidence only points to a 3rd junker or does it actually point towards the queen
valid shell
In my opinion, there's no evidence that points towards a 3rd Junker or the Queen, but I know I'm the minority on that.
Jewvia seems convinced she's next.
While I'm positive they blew their load on another hero from Junkertown when they made Hammond.
limpid agate
They were very specific when they said Hammond is not a Junker.
And I dont see anyone else being hero 29. Gamescom came and went, and the MEKA squad are cool for future heroes, but maybe not this soon
valid shell
He still brings Junkertown lore to the table.
Winston isn't from Gibraltar, but you can't deny he's tied to it.
limpid agate
Sure
valid shell
So if Blizzard was going to attach another hero to Junkertown, why awkwardly work in a moon-hamster when apparently they've got the Queen on deck?
It makes no sense.
limpid agate
Theyve seem to have planned the Moon Hamster to be in Junkertown for a while
craggy bramble
hamsters sell more plushies?
valid shell
The Queen has also existed for a while.
limpid agate
Yeah
valid shell
So there's plenty of time for them to parse which one they would have wanted to be playable and be a Junkertown Scrapyard mech-fighting Champion, and apparently they picked Hammond.
So I seriously doubt Queen's close behind.
They've ripped that band-aid off.
"B-B-B-But Orisa and Doomfist!" At least those two are from distinctly opposed walks of life and are rivals.
Hammond and the Queen share identical claims to fame and seem to be allies.
hasty surge
I believe bilzzard would place gameplay over lore so I believe they are more like to release heroes that dictates meta changes the way they want
And lore releases are definitely planned but it also seems like they are able to scrap a hero for another in favour of gameplay
And I don't see why if Hammond and Queen can't be released side by side
hasty surge
Ok
valid shell
I'm not just talking lore: Queen being a mech pilot would place her in a tank position, so that's another reason why she wouldn't follow Hammond, another mech-piloting tank.
But, this channel is for talking lore.
hasty surge
If the Queen is released, Junk Hog and Hammond and the Queen might be need need for a plotline.
Going by your theory, that also mean any of the other meka pilots would not be possible
valid shell
That is correct.
Overlord is the only one with a shot, since he seems different enough, being completely airborne with drones.
Otherwise, Blizzard is not touching another two-live mech-and-pilot combo like D.Va.
They've been explicit about how much of a nightmare she is to balance.
hasty surge
Lol hammond is stated as a junker
http://overwatch.wikia.com/wiki/Junker
valid shell
The wiki isn't official.
limpid agate
Thats because I stopped updating Wikia
And started updating Gamepedia instead.
Where he isn't a Junker: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Wrecking_Ball
hasty surge
I don't think any of the other meka pilots released would have 2 lives
valid shell
So D.Va's the only MEKA with an ejector seat?
And the rest just die inside their metal coffins?
limpid agate
Have you seen Casino's dangling legs?
valid shell
Fondly.
hasty surge
In lore of course not but gameplay yes
limpid agate
They could get creative with it.
Window pops up, ejects way into the sky, coming down slow with a parachute
valid shell
Indoors?
limpid agate
I mean, DVa calls mechs indoors
And then there's Doomfist
But this is getting dangerously close to gameplay != lore (or logic for that matter)
valid shell
I wouldn't even want another MEKA anyways. I wouldn't want another mech, period.
hasty surge
So Binge is an advocate for diversity
limpid agate
In other news, PTR updated
Here's a screen from DVas room
She also has an emtpy mech garage
valid shell
Was it occupied before?
hasty surge
This is dva's game
limpid agate
It didnt exist before
hasty surge
It was just added
valid shell
Neat!
Looks like it's mouse and keyboard, though.
I was hoping it was twinstick.
To translate to her MEKA.
And I was hoping Casino's MEKA had a steering wheel.
peak escarp
looks like a Gundam-like game
hasty surge
It's likely her game requires a twin stick
valid shell
Man, I mentioned it in passing, but I actually wouldn't mind playable Overlord. Where his MEKA itself is out of the fight except for maybe ulting, and otherwise it's his drones that take the field.
hasty surge
Anyways Binge who do you think is the next hero then?
valid shell
No idea. I've given up trying to predict it until the first teases drop.
Brigs and Ham both blindsided us.
I'm always an advocate for Max, though.
valid shell
He was in the backs of everyone's brains until Horizon updated.
limpid agate
Not everyone, I just thought he was a cat
valid shell
We've had a two-hero buffer period since our last Talon, so I'd be fine with Max now.
I still thought Hammond existed, I just shelved him as a hero.
hasty surge
Didn't all the other heroes blindsided us then?
limpid agate
Moira was the biggest surprise
valid shell
Moira was a surprise, but an evil Talon core healer was not.
limpid agate
Yeah
hasty surge
Blackwatch/Talon Tank now then
limpid agate
Eh.
valid shell
Eh, we just got a tank.
limpid agate
Maybe next year.
hasty surge
It's listed under support so
valid shell
So was Symmetra.
limpid agate
Meanwhile, we havent gotten a dps since Doomfist. And Sombra wasnt a real damage hero until this year.
valid shell
Maximilien DPS would please me.
limpid agate
Either way. Queen is my expectation.
Unless they release lore
My mind isnt changing.
hasty surge
I'm sure bilzzard accounts for hero classes
valid shell
Of course they do.
hasty surge
I think we would be getting more supports and tanks rather than damage
valid shell
But this isn't the channel to focus on it.
hasty surge
It isn't but the type of hero released next is a consideration
valid shell
There's no exact science to how much mentioning classes is allowed in passing in this channel when discussing upcoming characters, but try not to linger on it.
limpid agate
Sure. And I dont see the Queen as a support.
And we just got 1.5 tanks.
Unless she is in a mech by default like DVa/Hammond, which would be pretty lame as thats 2 mech heroes in a row and we just got a mech hero short.
valid shell
If Queen ever exists, I'd rather her ult is her mech, which augments her kit.
peak escarp
agreed
hasty surge
Would bilzzard account for mech numbers?
valid shell
Ofc they would.
hasty surge
The queen has an axe displayed
valid shell
Blizzard is likely hyperconscious of the race, gender, size, aesthetic, technology, country, alignment, association, etc. of all heroes.
hasty surge
It's likely that's part of her kit but her using it with her mech is abit weird
valid shell
They're not gonna line up five mech heroes in a row as a whoopsie.
hasty surge
I don't think the queen would be IN her mech
valid shell
Then why even have a mech champion.
Unless she killed her sister in a duel in her mech and hung it up in shame and took on the axe instead.
hasty surge
I meant her mech as a seperate tool
valid shell
Until it was revealed her sister lived.
hasty surge
Like torb's turret or smth
peak escarp
@valid shell actually, it's kinda the opposite
they don't really consider race/gender/etc when picking the new hero
see video
limpid agate
Its time stamped, so just Blizz Dev
peak escarp
the gist of it is, they don't think about gender/ethnicity/race etc. . . . they just pick the hero they feel is needed at that moment, either from a gameplay perspective or for the lore/story
and they have 3/4 heroes in the works at any one time
so they can plant hints months or even a year in advance
like they have been doing
gusty fjord
I want Omnic character
peak escarp
heroes come from 3 sources: a gameplay niche needing to be filled (Brigitte started as a gender-neutral paladin concept then they slapped the character on it), a story beat they wanted to explore (Doomfist was part of the upcoming plot arc, so he was released) or an interesting hero design (the team really liked rolly ball mech and cute mascot hero, so they stuck them together and made Hammond/Wrecking Ball)
limpid agate
You might like Maximillien.
hasty surge
Well max is one of them
gusty fjord
Max it is then XD
valid shell
We have a good female Omnic, a good male Omnic, a neutral nonbinary Omnic, so an evil male Omnic would be good.
gusty fjord
@peak escarp So that's a thing then? 3 sources....
peak escarp
yes
limpid agate
Yup
gusty fjord
So technically speaking, where are we lore wise anyways? I mean, have they hinted on the next major arc so far??
valid shell
OW lore doesn't really have arcs.
peak escarp
the hint we have for the story so far is that Doomfist wants to start a major conflict to push humanity forward
limpid agate
Which was basically Orisa and Doomfist's hero releases, and Doomfist's comic
peak escarp
we haven't gotten much farther than that
limpid agate
The story hasnt moved since
We got Mei/Reinhardt answering Recall, but...
That's about it
peak escarp
I'm eager to see where that goes, but it's going to be a long wait
gusty fjord
But they will show something at Blizzcon though, right?
Max looks stylish enough, but I want to see his full body pic first. If anything, I'm more interested in the friend Zarya had at her comic
peak escarp
yes
Blizzcon is our next expected lore drop, with another animated short
and a new hero
who will have their own origin trailer
which may or may not give us big lore
Moira did
Sombra . . . I don't remember if Sombra gave us any big lore reveals
aside from "leaking" the fact that Ana was still alive
I wonder what's up with the comic pipeline
we've only gotten Retribution so far this calendar year
limpid agate
Probably got canned
They stopped making comics sometime after the Anthology came out.
It probably didnt sell well
hasty surge
Yeah we hadn't got another comic since Masquerade
Wait it was searching
Lol
But retribution is event related I would exactly count that
iron plume
...why wouldn't you?
hasty surge
I think also the fact that they are slowing down lore drops probably because of recons and Michael Chu cleaning up the lore
gusty fjord
@peak escarp Sombra showed that there was an "eye" conspiracy?
iron plume
There isn't any more retcons recently
gusty fjord
and that there is a 3rd party outside of Talon / Overwatch?
hasty surge
Because it's released not out of the blue, it's released becaused of the event. Ok fine it's considered, but it's not like an "extra lore drop"
I suspect they would have internal retcons to ensure minimal number of plot holes
When did we get rise and shine gamescon?
iron plume
yes
all shorts are gamescom/blizzcon
and why is being "extra" a part of it
it is lore, it is a comic
it's more than just said in the event itself
hasty surge
Lore events comes with a comic, it's a package to me
hasty surge
Did we get any lore drops between gamescom and bilzzcon last year and last last year?
hasty surge
Would it be too hopeful for at least one this year? At the rate lore is going it doesn't seem like bilzzard is going to release any lore until bilzzcon
Wait we also dunno had Halloween Terror, but that only moves the "Halloween lore"
hasty surge
Was Hero Dragons Alive and Recall released in 2015 and 2014 gamescon and bilzzcon? They were released before the game right?
past ember
widow is dva from the future
iron plume
ebin meme
pearl gorge
terse oak
@past ember @pearl gorge No shitposting in here please
Any unsubstantiated claims are basically just hearsay and aren't canon
Unless you have some form of proof that isn't some Tumblrina's headcanon then leave it out
@past ember Last warning
regal coyote
@pearl gorge no proof yet
since they dont know each other really
it is like saying you and J.Law is dating cause you "know" her, but in reality you ahve zero chance to ever do that (actually you have less than zero chance, and some pond scum have a higher chance sticking to her than you)
regal coyote
the only known date is... none. sure Sam + Ana, but that is the past
ph and torby - ingrid
regal coyote
aware cause both are celab
iron plume
...yes
which is more than j.law and a random person
why am i questioning this comparison anyway
iron plume
haven't you been muted before
candid wyvern
What fighting games does Lucio play
do you think it's the Starcraft one in MEKA base
iron plume
Lucio doesn't
candid wyvern
He has a Volskaya voiceline
about how he should have brought his stick and pad for a pickup game
regal coyote
what would a videogame of Lucio be like, seeing that you see him on one of the screens of those fucking PC Bang
dire timber
meh
daring turtle
i fucking want luciosu
valid shell
@daring turtle ?
nova elbow
iirc blizzard addressed it by basically saying "lol"
although a theory I've heard is that it's because Lúcio does like to say "oh" multiple times in a row
peak escarp
Yes, Lucio's line on Volskya is about hockey
limpid agate
what would a videogame of Lucio be like
Its soccer @regal coyote
Or Lucioball, rather
The game is called Striker Eleven, a reference to the soccer game Inazuma Eleven
frosty star
@candid wyvern /concur, I said the exact same thing when I saw that
limpid agate
Thats... That's not what Eleven means
Like, in a normal game
Sure
But here
Its just a reference
regal coyote
oh ok, still cool
also, waiting to hear what other VA would sound like saying
we know most can sing on it
we know what bastion would sound like singing
and the rein one is funny
limpid agate
I thought only Rein had interactions with it
I tried all the other heores and got nothing
regal coyote
so far yeah
but we know usually the released version would ahve more voicelines
the dance thing seem the same for everyone though
never tried baby dva yet
limpid agate
The dancing game doesn't have anything character specific
Its just dance emote on the game
regal coyote
yeah, just dance emote and get a screenie
i wish someone have a page with all the translated signs though
since i dont read blizzard/korean
that said, we can assume blizzard owns quite some part of korea.
I mean there is a Protoss hotel.
limpid agate
... Of course
candid wyvern
yuck
haughty thorn
They sponsor dva and she was a starcraft pro
candid wyvern
I forgot how much Blizzard like to toot their own horn
regal coyote
her dad
haughty thorn
Well shit
regal coyote
overlord aint her daddy
limpid agate
His mech has drones he might control, and his name as well as his mech's are references to Starcraft
regal coyote
yes he is most likely the starcraft specialist
also likely to control drones directly
candid wyvern
If she's anything like irl idol girls, no
having a boyfriend would be betraying her fans
unless she keeps it super on the down low
dire timber
what
anyhow, Blizzard is canon in Overwatch lore
and they did develop the same games they did irl, with exception for Overwatch
candid wyvern
did they develop hots
cunning ledge
Hots isn’t actually confirmed to exist
Neither is Overwatch
The rest probably do exist
The heck
Huh
And here I thought the heroes arcade existing was basically a nail in the coffin
dire timber
... I'm pretty sure I did see Heroes of the Storm
cunning ledge
Where was it confirmed
iron plume
there's stuff that references the name
dire timber
I mean, like you said, the arcade?
iron plume
but there's nothing saying it's the same thing as IRL
it may well be just the arcade fighter
dire timber
I mean, I pictured it as the same crossover game it is irl
just without the Overwatch elements
iron plume
it's not just the ow thing
the only thing that references it is "heroes arcade"
but like
there's nothing about it being a moba
dire timber
doesn't it also use the logo?
cunning ledge
It does
iron plume
yeah
but in that world it may just be some "heroes" thing
there is no mention of "heroes of the storm"
regal coyote
yes, so no ow hero in heroes i guess
also they make mrore games
like that fighting game
young raptor
I'd put irl heroes into my game
cunning ledge
Fighters of the Storm has the angel dude from Diablo in it too
frosty shell
However, in HotS D. Va doesn't seem to know what Heroes of the Storm is
worthy rose
@frosty shell are you sugondese?
candid wyvern
stop it LMAO
@frosty shell isnt heroes of the storm like typical contrived mashup shit
dire timber
@frosty shell the OW setting used in HotS is separate from the canon OW setting
candid wyvern
and they just get dunked through portals
dire timber
I mean, for example, there are skins that turn some non-OW heroes into omnics
that is somewhat canon for the HotS version of the OW setting
but not at all for the canon OW seting
so, yeah
not comparable
nothing from HotS affects the canon OW lore
@frosty shell out of curiosity, though, what are D.va voice lines?
frosty shell
The one I was thinking of is "Is this like Fighters of the Storm 2? Because I used to main Garrosh!"
dire timber
well, we do know that Fighters of the Storm is a game that Blizzard made in the OW setting
dire timber
personally, I think Blizzard did make Heroes of the Storm, and then came up with other mashup games based on that
such as Fighters
I'm not sure what to make of Hero of my Storm though
corny pun names that are obvious references are tricky to deal with when we know that the real thing also seems to exist in that very setting
worthy rose
@limpid agate it's either raynor or tychus - the difference is that raynor has a gauss rifle while tychus has a minigun
peak escarp
I want to know how DVa found the time to be a promo girl AND a MEKA pilot AND an actress
peak escarp
She must not get a lot of free time
peak escarp
Not every guy who is friends with a girl is "friendzoned"
Maybe he isn't interested in her?
daring turtle
nah i know
but he like
asked her to dinner at a nice restaurant
and she was like no
and he was like ;(
they COULD just be friends
idk
peak escarp
He didn't ask her out
He asked her to get him on the guest list
AND she said "you've been watching too many holovids", which implies she doesn't actually go to fancy resturaunts
limpid agate
Yeah he didnt ask her out
He just asked to go to the fancy restaurant
DVa is a fan of eating junk food. He isn't as much
peak escarp
He was asking for a favor, not a date
worthy rose
Idk he looked interested in D.va I thought they made that obvious, but it’s also possible they were just friends
Are*
peak escarp
They've been friends since childhood
I would think that if there was any romantic interest, they would have tried it already
Maybe it didn't work out and they chose to stay friends
native kayak
I want to see that hoverbike race lol
limpid agate
Id rather see Casino race
peak escarp
I want Max to be one of Casino's sponsors
gusty fjord
I want Fighters of the Storm to be a real thing so badly
Blizzard can even test the waters and maybe release a "small mode" of it in Overwatch. 4 characters.
limpid agate
@potent vapor Thats not lore.
timid eagle
@gusty fjord I would love to see Doomfist in SFV, no joke.
As for lore, I wonder if D.Va’s new skin has a paragraph of lore.
white cobalt
Which one? Nano cola is lore-ish
limpid agate
It doesnt
white cobalt
What? Dva nano cola isn't part of lore?
peak escarp
it doesn't have a lore blurb
gusty fjord
@timid eagle Nah. Doomfist works more in a "Marvel" game, mainly because he's playstyle is close to somoene like a cross between Spencer/Hulk.
You have the BIONIC ARM!!! super and then you have the super armor of Hulk.
pine isle
In Ana's origin story, there is a group of people shown along with Pharah when she is little
who are the people on the extreme left and right?
cunning ledge
We don’t know
And probably won’t for a while because Ana has a jokey voice like in HOTS where she talks about that picture and those guys are referred to as REDACTED or something like that
pine isle
oh
btw
young Ana was really hawt
Are Ana and Soldier 76 supposed to be the same age?
regal coyote
on the Hana's case and fancy food
I am guessing with her status she can go to lots of restaurants and parties if she so wanted.
after all it is an honor and publicity thing to have hana visit your store.
It is just that Hana is not into thsoe stuff
and if you are into k-tv series and k-movies (yes, especially those where everyone met a tragic end tear jerker) the way friendzoneboy ask hana is almost exactly like that
So I wold say he is at least a bit interested in Hana, and what he Really mean might be, "i wanna go to one of those fancy restaurant with you"
but that is all guess work
and it is not so much that he is friendzoned but I dont think Hana would notice
candid wyvern
Can't date D.va because she's an idol girl
She'd lose half her fanbase overnight if real idols are anything to go by
iron plume
that's why you do it in secret
candid wyvern
Yeah you have to be very, very cautious
because your public image is perfectly manufactured
regal coyote
then again going friends with benefit on the base should be ok, since i am sure due to security reasons no one is allowed to sneak in and take photos
candid wyvern
lmao
hasty surge
Hmm do you guys actually think that meka pilots are like idols and aren't allowed to date?
iron plume
that they're treated like idols is pretty clear
and we've seen that the government/program is very protective of the image with the "not a scratch" thing
worthy rose
any ideas on who signed Ana’s gun on her summer skin?
iron plume
it's more likely that any "black marks" will be covered up
the skin isn't canon, it's just a reference to designer clothes/accessories
worthy rose
Ah
valid shell
@sonic tide @olive karma stop pls
iron plume
shitposting
nothing interesting
iron plume
...you done?
dire timber
@candid wyvern shitposting will result in loss of access
candid wyvern
unnecessary pinging is against the rules
dire timber
this wasn't an unnecessary ping
peak escarp
I still haven't seen this "rule" you keep mentioning
candid wyvern
literally in rule 1 botburger
white cobalt
not necesary to insult
dire timber
pinging you for your attention is not disruptive behavior
candid wyvern
it is when i am already typing and you are fully aware
and yet ping me anyway
@dire timber
just to be annoying
dire timber
if you say so
iron plume
doing it just to be annoying is disruptive
candid wyvern
yeah, which slig does on the regs tbh
What did Junkrat do with the Sovereign's Orb
peak escarp
sovereign's orb?
candid wyvern
its in an image
right at the top
pretty sure thats official art
It probably went on top of his treasure cart
peak escarp
that's from when they stole the crown jewels
peak escarp
okay
candid wyvern
I think I'm overlooking the fact that Junk is a huge idiot too much
peak escarp
well, what would anyone do with stolen treasure?
probably just keep it to admire
or try to sell it, but something like that wouldn't be easy to sell
limpid agate
Oh that's a real thing.
The Sovereign's Orb
I thought it was supposed to be the Holy Hand Grenade
candid wyvern
junkrat should use them to pronounce himself queen of england
seems like a suitable character arc
Holy Hand Grenade is a parody of the orb
if it were that you know junk would keep it
dense estuary
I thought it was a shoutout to the holy hand grenade
never heard of the orb till now
candid wyvern
damned colonials
dense estuary
works out for Junkrat, He could go to the US to one of those shady We Buy Gold places and pawn it.
I mean JR must have a fence though for all the stuff he steals that is not directly money
if physical currency even still exists in the OW setting for Junkrat to steal
candid wyvern
gotta get those credchips
olive karma
You think DVA could have handled the robot attack better? They would investigate into what happened outside the city. She could've contacted the government about what was happening, and possibly gotten air force to help , but she talked to her friend instead. What about that she blew up the mech while the robot was still heading towards the city with it, what if it reached the city? Plus not to mention that's a very expensive mech. Sure, she saved the city, just like Sully Sullenberger saved that plane, but she could've handled the situation better I think.
peak escarp
If she had taken the time to contact anyone else, the omnics would have reached the city before anyone else could have responded
MEKA is the army -they're the first line of defense for Korea
Dae-hyun preseumeably did call for help but there was no way they would have gotten there in time to stop any casualties
DVa did the right thing
And DVa realized what would happen if her mech blew up in the city - that's why she ejects and manually triggers the explosion, rather than wait the 60 seconds to the reactor to melt down
She was a hero
haughty thorn
I can't be the only one who thinks that having 5 teenage gamers as the only defense for your country is really fucking stupid
olive karma
^
candid wyvern
Big anti-fan of the entire MEKA premise
cunning ledge
They aren’t all gamers
If that helps
And there’s also the entire rest of the military
limpid agate
MEKA isnt just 5 people either.
timid eagle
@worthy rose I wouldn't mind learning more about what he did during his days with that biker gang.
limpid agate
There's a lot more soldiers and pilots across Korea's defenses. They're just the celebrity frontline
slim pewter
It isn’t entirely stupid to think that 5 kids are the first line of defense for Korea at that point. Presumably, the entertainment industry has evolved to a point that even their defense is a national roadshow.
timid eagle
Yeah, I was surprised with how tiny the MEKA corps is.
Nevermind if they are really THAT effective.
slim pewter
It is not entirely a farfetched idea that the populace is brainwashed to believe that their MEKA program is sold as an invincible reality star group.
dapper vine
dude what?
slim pewter
Kinda like the Ba Sing Se effect.
dapper vine
oh
slim pewter
Correct.
limpid agate
@dapper vine Shitposting will result in a loss of access
@dense maple You do realize DVa is from South Korea, right?
dapper vine
this proves my point if you didn't believe me
limpid agate
@dapper vine Final warning
slim pewter
This is all theorycrafting at this point, but it is a safe assumption based on how Overwatch is basically a hyperevolved version of our world.
timid eagle
Yeah, that makes sense.
limpid agate
@slim pewter I have no idea what youre talking about
slim pewter
The entertainment industry is perhaps one of the most far reaching SoKor industries right now. If the world was plunged into chaos after Omnic Crisis 1, a coverup would have been plausible.
The SoKor govt would have had enough time — at least a generation — to make a “story” out of it
“Hey one and all, we survives Omnic Wars 1 because we had MEKA” woohoo fanfare heroic gamers saving our noble country all hail Utopia
It’s like the country went under the Ba Sing Se effect in Avatar
slim pewter
Agreed
slim pewter
Never said they didn’t. Just that, I think there’s a deeper psychological effect to MEKA implied.
limpid agate
You keep saying Ba Sing Se effect, I dont know what that means
Also, MEKA was founded after the Omnic Crisis ended
They had no hand in the original crisis
slim pewter
Wait haven’t explained that. In the cartoon Avatar, Ba Sing Se is a fake Utopian city that is surrounded by a wall. Think of Troy. Because of this, no other country can invade them properly.
limpid agate
Ok. So?
slim pewter
This gave their citizens a fake sense of security. And they believe that their country is perfect. Hundreds of years of no war can do that to you. But the govt knows the truth that there’s a war outside. A real war far bigger than the people believe.
Wait brb in 3 mins
limpid agate
I still dont understand what your point is. Its not like their on the brink of doom or destruction. They're trying to not make people panic when everything is fine, so they embellish the news to make things sound even more fine.
What I am taking from your statement is something of a conspiracy
There is none.
dense maple
its not really an uncommon thing seen in the real world in the past too, its used to give citizens a feeling of illogical security
limpid agate
And South Korea isn't disillusioned by a small group of 5 mech fighters protecting the country. MEKA is significantly larger than just 5 mechs.
slim pewter
Is this a fact though, that there is no conspiracy?
limpid agate
Also, the MEKA force stops the omnics every single time at the frontline.
From an interview
It never gets to the backline
Or the reserves
Or anything
slim pewter
My main point is not that there were 5. My main point is.
limpid agate
The frontline has never broken
slim pewter
“It is not entirely a farfetched idea that the populace is brainwashed to believe that their MEKA program is sold as an invincible reality star group.”
limpid agate
Try saying that without using the word brainwashed
dense maple
i think what he's saying is that in overwatch, the SK government dramaticizes the heroism and accomplishments of the 5 celebrity MEKA members in order to give a "hero celebrity" for people to look up to and feel safe due to, AKA the face of the rest of MEKA
dense maple
and they try to imply or make it seem as if the 5 are unbeatable as heroes
limpid agate
They are unbeatable
limpid agate
No, past those 5
slim pewter
Basically, this ^. As with my analogy, it’s not like there’s no army. Pretty sure there is. Otherwise OC1 couldn’t have been survived. And presumably they are really good. But there’s this wall effect. And that wall is those MEKA celebrities.
limpid agate
Past those 5
There is more
An entire army
An entire reserve
And those 5 stop the threat every time
slim pewter
Woops. Too late for the ^ lels.
limpid agate
They are being dramaticized as better than they actually are... But they are still pretty damn good at their job
They stop the Omnic threat every single time without fail
Never having to rely on anything past the frontline
They are the frontline.
limpid agate
And the omnic have never passed them
dense maple
yeah but his point is that they overdramaticize the accomplishments of the 5 to prevent citizens from being afraid of the constant omnic attacks, which get stronger and stronger each time and will inevitably become too strong for those 5, and then the army, and then the reserves, and so on, just over a long period of time, constantly improving unless they find a way to stop the omnics
slim pewter
Oh, didn’t say they didn’t. I was just saying that they are sold as an invincible group.
limpid agate
I dont see the problem.
Why did you have to drop words like brainwash or imply it was a conspiracy
Because its neither
dense maple
because what the SK government is trying to hide from citizens is the inevitable fact that the army will eventually be overpowered in due, but long, time unless they can find a way to cut off the omnic attack entirely
slim pewter
Okay. Will take that as a fact then, if you are so sure.
dense maple
since every time the omnics attack, they learn from it and improve for the next time
and it repeats again and again until eventually they beat the 5
the cycle repeats until they beat the army, and so on
limpid agate
And if it does eventually beat the 5, then theres the army and the reserves
But it hasnt
So theres no reason to alarm people when the threat cannot beat the first boss
dense maple
exactly, theres still an extremely long time to go
but theyre trying to hide the fact of that altogether
limpid agate
They're trying to hide the fact that eventually, they might lose, but it doesnt matter because there is still many many more lines before innocent lives get put in harms way
Thats... Not really a problem
dense maple
yeah, its reasonable to do currently
limpid agate
No it isnt
dense maple
if it continues when theyre actually in danger then its not
its best to reduce panic unless it is vital for citizens to know
limpid agate
If D.Va loses, Busan doesn't fall so quickly
Its not like if she loses, then its defeat for everyone.
dense maple
honestly though this is all assuming their army is anywhere near the level of d.va's skill on average
olive karma
If there's more military, then why didn't she contact them
limpid agate
100 average soldiers are enough to make up for 1 DVa
why didn't she contact them
Thats the whole point of the short
She doesnt even contact her own team
dapper vine
she wanted to do all for herself
limpid agate
She bears the weight of the world on her own shoulders
dense maple
exactly, and thats why i think the omnics are being pretty smart. why waste resources sending tons of omnics to fight, when they can just send a couple to fight 5-10 people or the very best herself, d.va, and learn the most out of that
dense maple
it just tactfully makes more sense of what theyre doing
thats why there are only like 5-8 sent at once for what SK thinks is an "assault"
im sure there'd be many more if it were a real assault
theyre learning from d.va and her team, the best of the army, to improve themselves for the real assault
dense maple
considering theyre omnics and the omnics use those as that expendable, im sure they have more
limpid agate
Zarya has personally slain hundreds of Omnics.
THe original Overwatch team
We see Reinhardt in his short plow through dozens of them
dense maple
theyre only sending a few to not waste omnics that they dont need to
limpid agate
And then 1 OR unit kills half his squad
olive karma
@limpid agate if thats the point, she should be arrested
dense maple
you only need a couple to learn from the fight, so those few can send the data to all the omnics back home
slim pewter
The idea I had before was Korea is selling an invincible group that we know isn’t. Despite having a large backup army for sure, Omnics evolve at a pace Korea doesn’t know. In time, the threat is bound to evolve to a level that will get past MEKA in one way or another. And when that time comes, the idea of their invincible frontline will crumble and people will understand the war as it was during the first one decades ago.
limpid agate
@olive karma She's fighting a war
Zarya is currently engaged in the second Omnic Crisis
Which exists in exclusively Russia
And South Korea
worthy rose
Is she thoughhhh? I mean isnt she in mexico right now?
olive karma
And wasted billions in a conflict she didnt contact the government about.
limpid agate
@worthy rose She went bakc to Russia at the end of the comic
@olive karma What are you talking about now?
olive karma
I just think she could have done more
limpid agate
@slim pewter Yeah, obviously. But until that frontline crumbles, then there is nothing to worry about, because there is still an entire army between Busan and the Gwishin.
@olive karma Again, I have no idea what you are talking about
worthy rose
Im still wondering if those things were omnics or some talon warship things
worthy rose
They were very weird even by omnic standards
dense maple
maybe talon cooperating with omnic who knows
limpid agate
They're also the only Omnic design we've seen that wasn't from 30 years ago
slim pewter
Almost crossing into Matrix levels, design wise
olive karma
Dva saving the city. How else do you think lore discussion started talking about her
limpid agate
Its weird because it was designed to appear aquatic
worthy rose
Is the theory that the kaiju is a living omnium still valid?
slim pewter
Those dang tentacle things that attack Zion. Actually quite impressive that they evolve that much
limpid agate
@worthy rose No
slim pewter
I mean, OR1 to that
olive karma
Or has it switched to zariya?
limpid agate
@olive karma You started talking about arresting Zarya, then said something about wasting billions of dollars...
I had no idea what you were talking about
olive karma
So it switched to zariya ok
dense maple
well, being artificial intelligence, they practically have human intelligence but just plain better and way faster, so of course theyd evolve and learn waaaay faster than we would @slim pewter
worthy rose
Sooo there is an omnium in the sea thats upgrading the kaiju and making....flying squid omnics?
limpid agate
Yes, there is an Omnium in the East China Sea, underwater
dire timber
the omnic would've collapsed 6 buildings right off the bat
dense maple
and SK has not thought even once to make water-based mechas to go over there n take it out?
olive karma
You racist against omnics?
limpid agate
@dire timber Its unconfirmed, but I imagine they would have some kind of anti-missile defence.
dire timber
@limpid agate I caught something about an omnium during the stream, right after Shooting Star
limpid agate
?
dire timber
but then I couldn't find it again
limpid agate
@dense maple How do you shut down an Omnium? Its only been done in 3 ways in the entire history of Overwatch
dire timber
as in, they said something about the omnium in the Korean event stream
worthy rose
Do you think the mechs can function underwater?
dapper vine
The situation shown in short is different from the conflicts before, because in this case the omnics attacked randomly. So it's hard confirm anything from it imo.
dense maple
@worthy rose i think those specific omnics look so weird because theyre slowly adapting to specifically counter d.va and SK military
worthy rose
I mean overlords mech looks kinda aquatic-y
dire timber
@worthy rose the pilots can't
limpid agate
1 - Blow it up > Get Junkertown
2 - Shut it down > It wakes up again anyways like Russia
3 - Send in Overwatch > It stays shutdown permanently, but Overwatch shut down.
Even if South Korea did go into the Omnium underwater
dense maple
i mean blowing it up seems pretty alright