lore-discussion

[dire timber]

it didn't violate her terms on its own

but it had a great potential to do so

as Ana has demonstrated later on

[regal coyote]

ana modified the rifle?

[dire timber]

yea

that's what I've been telling you

[regal coyote]

where is source?

[peak escarp]

The schematics showed it was for delivering healing only

Ana uses both healing and harming ammo

[regal coyote]

my argument is that how would ana know how to invent harming ammo

[regal coyote]

so any harming ammo or schematic there of ana acquired it when she acquires the rifle

unless ana is able to research that, but i think hser training is in theings like sniper and what nto, not biotic

[dire timber]

I mean, it's not very difficult - just use harmful substances in the projectiles

[regal coyote]

so the harmful element might not even be biotic in nature then

[dire timber]

I dunno

I think Ana might've been able to modify biotic ammo

but not sure

[regal coyote]

my assumption is that both types included when ana stole it

so ana is only a wielder of the weapon not developing

so there might be further development on the project, after the schematic is shown

granted we do nto knwo the further development is by ow team or later by helix

also note the different design on the rifle

the ana's rifle is pretty sure a further model down the line

[dire timber]

I think it's implied that Ana modified the rifle herself

in her voice lines with Mercy

Mercy: Ana. I don't approve of what you've done with my biotic technology.
Ana: I'm sorry you feel that way, but it suits my purposes now.

[regal coyote]

true

the schematic rifle does not seem to have that ability, having what seems to be a tank of biotic healing agent

so ana's copy might be soemthing down the line

but yeah, it is much easier to make poison dart/ammo than healing biotic ones

[dire timber]

as a side note, do you think Lindholms perhaps adopted Angela after her parents died?

[regal coyote]

yes

or at least a gardian of sort

specifically ingrid

or might even be some kind of relative

[dire timber]

I think Lindholms were friends with Angela's parents way back before the Omnic Crisis

[regal coyote]

friends or relatives, whatever it is ingrid knows angela and/or their parents

i wont be surpprised if ingrid is a healer herself

most likely retired now but thats just another story

[peak escarp]

She seems to be just a housewife

[regal coyote]

she is also od

she might be an adventurer too when she was young

[peak escarp]

Maybe

But with a family as big as theirs is implied to be, I doubt it

[regal coyote]

when she was younger the omnic war is in full swing though

so it is likely she would be working one way or another

[peak escarp]

Or she could have been home, taking care of a young family

Brigitte's older siblings were all born during the crisis

[worthy rose]

Have you ever wondered if we will get news about liao in the future?

[peak escarp]

I hope we do

[regal coyote]

wait, the age difference is that big?

[peak escarp]

The crisis ended ~25 years ago

Brigitte is 23

[regal coyote]

ok yeah still in crisis time

i know brig's older sibling is old, judging from the grandkids

[peak escarp]

We don't know anything about her older siblings

[regal coyote]

we know there were sisters most likely?

and they had kids

[peak escarp]

Not how many there are, not how old they are, only that Brigitte is the youngest daughter

(Which implies she has at least 1 older sister)

[regal coyote]

assume at least 18 to produce a kid then from the age of the kids then aft least a few years older?

[peak escarp]

I'd say minimum age for her older siblings would be about 28? The oldest grandchild looked about 10 years old

[regal coyote]

there is 8 of them at least from the panel

similar to my guess

redhead with glasses seems 9ish

so give and take 28 is good guess, for one of her siblings

[peak escarp]

And that would have them born during the crisis

[regal coyote]

also for sure all those will not be from same parent so at least another one of sibling is married

yes mid crisis even

[peak escarp]

I'd love to get more info on the Lindholm family

[regal coyote]

likely torby is in the guild with giant mech production against omnic

[frosty shell]

I don't know why they would no each other pre-crisis

[regal coyote]

probably having his own research team, as we know he designed bunch of war toys

hence halso he has arm and fingers

[peak escarp]

@frosty shell who would know each other?

[regal coyote]

maybe during crisis

[frosty shell]

The Zieglers and the Lindholms

I guess it's possible Torbjorn was interested in Mercy's inventing skills

[regal coyote]

make sense since if ingrid were medical personel she might have met an injured young angela

and on that it would inspire mercy to be on medical field

[peak escarp]

All we know is that Angela was a family friend of the Lindholms when she was 14

[frosty shell]

She may not have decided to become a doctor until her parents died

[peak escarp]

It's weird for a child to be friends with a grown man, but if he knew her parents, it makes sense

[regal coyote]

mostl likely she is mroe related in ingrid, and by association to torby

[peak escarp]

If she was related they would have said "cousin"

Or whatever

You don't call your relations "family friends"

[regal coyote]

true

[peak escarp]

The Zieglers may have been in the Ironclad guild, or worked with Overwatch in some way

For a while I assumed they were doctors too, but I was just borrowing the backstory from Winry Rockbell from FMA

[regal coyote]

i was thinking of winry too

unlikely part of ow, but might be early teammates pre ow

[dire timber]

yeah, Overwatch was a small, secret strike team back then

[peak escarp]

That's why I didn't suggest they were part of Overwatch

Only that they might have worked with them

[regal coyote]

working with the guild army or alongside is mroe likely]

imagine those things torby help create

the guild army would be big

on the side note... just noticed mercy is suited up under her labcoat even in non combat situations

[peak escarp]

Probably so she doesn't have to change before going back to the field?

[cunning sand]

No matter how much you try to fill out this lore everyone has to accept that the main game makes no sense when comparing to the lore

It is just so random

[limpid agate]

@cunning sand Gameplay != Lore

[cunning sand]

Why is the lore a thing?

Shouldn’t it be titled separate from the game

And why does it matter how accurate it is

If it was important to the main story line it would be said by one of the devx

[limpid agate]

Could you repeat that in a different way, I dont understand what youre saying

[dire timber]

@cunning sand the story of Overwatch has next to nothing to do with the game

the game focuses on gameplay first

with very gamey abilities

[cunning sand]

Ye

[dire timber]

while the story is more immersive

and explores the setting

[cunning sand]

So why are people arguing over how old people are

It dosnt hugely matter

[dire timber]

because... people are interested in the lore?

[cunning sand]

If someone is 26 or 28

[dire timber]

that's what this channel is for

[cunning sand]

For nerds

I just play the gsme

The lore although cool is just theroy

[dire timber]

well, you're free to leave this channel then 🤷🏻

if it ain't for ya

[cunning sand]

I like the stories and the cinematic but all the crap about hero’s being left or righties

[dire timber]

if you're actually interested, check the pins for animated shorts and comics

[cunning sand]

Whyyy

[dire timber]

why not

[cunning sand]

Not to that

Came out in the wrong order

[peak escarp]

There's no harm in having lore

[cunning sand]

I’ll check them out when on my PC

[peak escarp]

Or in caring about it as much as we do

[cunning sand]

I care about the lore

It is important to have backstory

[dire timber]

@peak escarp there clearly is, just look how upset everyone was over the fact that D.va got any

[cunning sand]

I don’t understand why it matters if a character is 1 year older that someone else thonks

Thinks*

[dire timber]

people were just happier before D.va got an animated short

before we knew anything about Busan or MEKA

[peak escarp]

Getting the wrong age for a character can screw up the timeline

[cunning sand]

I didn’t like the diva short

To many new people

[limpid agate]

1 guy.

There was 1 guy.

[brisk harbor]

There was like 1

Lmao

[limpid agate]

They never introduced her squad, they were background cameos

It was literally just DaeHyun

[cunning sand]

Yeah

But they will still there

[limpid agate]

They were in a picture

Infiltration had more people physically present

Than DVa has squadmates

[cunning sand]

At the start it showed them greyed out dVa still winning the fight although not being fazed my her teammates deaths

[limpid agate]

They didnt die

They're all alive

[cunning sand]

Oh

[limpid agate]

You see them in the next immediate picture

[cunning sand]

Why were they greyed?

[limpid agate]

In an interview

Because their mechs were trashed

[cunning sand]

Ahhh

That makes more sence

[limpid agate]

No one is dead.

[cunning sand]

K

I’m just dumb

Why didn’t it kill her teammates when they were out of mechs tho?

Is there respawns in the lore

[peak escarp]

No

[cunning sand]

Then WTF did they kill zap so early on

Zen

[peak escarp]

It was still fighting DVa, so it didn't have time to finish them off

[limpid agate]

... Zen never died

[cunning sand]

Widow sniper him

[dire timber]

that was Mondatta

[limpid agate]

That was not Zenyatta. That was a different omnic entirely

Mondatta

[dire timber]

a different guy

[cunning sand]

Ahh

[limpid agate]

Zenyatta talks about him in game

[peak escarp]

That was Mondatta

[inland mountain]

when did zen die?

[dire timber]

why can't people see the obvious differences

[cunning sand]

He didnt

[limpid agate]

Zenyatta never died

[dire timber]

they have a completely different head structure

[limpid agate]

Before you ask, because I know you will

Mercy did not create Reaper

[cunning sand]

I know

[limpid agate]

Good

[inland mountain]

moira did?

[limpid agate]

Moira played a large role in the creation of the Reaper

[dire timber]

Moira experimented him, gave him the smoke abilities

[cunning sand]

it was partly her

[dire timber]

then something went awry

[limpid agate]

But is not the sole contributor

Its a mix of things

[cunning sand]

Yeah

[inland mountain]

is everyone on overwatch hero rotser alive?

[limpid agate]

Yes

[peak escarp]

Yes

[dire timber]

@limpid agate what mix of things? I believe it's just Moira's experiments + trauma from the explosion

[limpid agate]

Moira's experimentation, his original Soldier Enhancement Program enhancements, and possibly the Swiss HQ explosion all played a part in him becoming who he is.

[peak escarp]

Plus the SEP conditioning

[dire timber]

I don't think SEP played a part into smoke stuff though

just his strength and the like

[limpid agate]

Yeah, he was a super soldier before Moira turned him into a walking cloud

[cunning sand]

No that was Moria

[dire timber]

?

[limpid agate]

What

[cunning sand]

I was responding to @dire timber

[dire timber]

SEP was an American genetic modification program, way before the Omnic Crisis

[cunning sand]

But can’t type fast on my ipad

[dire timber]

Morrison and Reyes were both a part of it

[cunning sand]

Yes

Weaponising them

[inland mountain]

who is Baguettes mom?

[cunning sand]

Baguett

[peak escarp]

His SEP conditioning may have caused complications with Moira's work, or was what led Reyes to seek more enhancements

[inland mountain]

the annoying one with the stuns

[limpid agate]

Brigitte's mom is Torbjorn's wife Ingrid

[peak escarp]

Brigitte's mother is Ingrid Lindholm

[limpid agate]

If youre trying to find relationships between the cast members

There are none

[dire timber]

@peak escarp I don't personally believe that tbqh

I mean, the second one, maybe

Idk

wish we knew more

[limpid agate]

I think the SEP conditioning is what got him to request Moira's help in the first place

[dire timber]

yeah, that's what I doubt

[inland mountain]

my friend said it was mercy 😂

[peak escarp]

@dire timber it's still all speculation at this point, we don't know enough

@inland mountain Mercy was 14 when Brigitte was born

[limpid agate]

I think that, because we were told that Reaper asked her to take a look at his genetics specifically.

[dire timber]

@inland mountain it's a common misconception, and in spite of the meme, players do actually have a lot of these

[inland mountain]

u guys know a ton abt lore

[limpid agate]

@inland mountain If you meant Mercy was Brig's mom, she was 14. If you meant Mercy played a role in making Reaper, that was an ancient theory that make fake evidence and became popular.

[dire timber]

like, people think that Mercy made Reaper, that Mercy and Tracer don't age, that D.va actually uses her mech as a bomb like it's nothing, and that Mercy can actually resurrect people...

[limpid agate]

There are actual common misconceptions

People like to use the meme though because the context was retconning mild detail

[white cobalt]

Dont forget Reaper being someone with fucky face

i hate that

[limpid agate]

We dont know what his face looks like

[dire timber]

I mean, his face is indeed messed up

we just don't know how

[limpid agate]

Just that it horrified Ana

[dire timber]

^

[peak escarp]

She could have just been reacting to seeing someone who was supposed to be dead

[inland mountain]

are hammond winston, hog and junk rat friends?

[limpid agate]

Junkrat and Roadhog have never met any of the other heroes except maybe Sombra

[peak escarp]

Hammond and Winston yes

Roadhog and Junkrat yes

But not all 4

[limpid agate]

Junkrat likes Roadhog. Roadhog doesn't like Junkrat

[peak escarp]

Junkrat is a fan of Wrecking Ball but doesn't know he's a hamster

[inland mountain]

i would think hammond would know/be friends?

with hog and junk

[limpid agate]

No

[dire timber]

why?

[inland mountain]

they are all junkers

[limpid agate]

No one knows Wrecking Ball is a Hamster, and Winston doesn't know Hammond is on Earth

Hammond is not a Junker

[dire timber]

not a good reason

that's like saying that Tracer's gotta be friends with Null Sector cause they're both in London

🤔

[limpid agate]

Are you American, perchance? If so, do you know David Kang?

[inland mountain]

they all do the battles in junkertown and wrecking ball is the cahmp

[peak escarp]

Yes

[limpid agate]

Ok, but do you know David Kang?

[dire timber]

yeah, but Junkers don't know that Wrecking Ball is a hamster

expect for maybe Bruce and the Queen

[inland mountain]

maybe if we where both in the euivalent of the wwe

[peak escarp]

Hammond is an outsider who came in and fought in mech battles to become champion

[dire timber]

Junkrat is just the audience

[limpid agate]

Oh, in the equivalent of the WWE

So you're friends with John Cena?

[inland mountain]

if i was in the wwe

[dire timber]

Junkrat wasn't a competitor though

[inland mountain]

i didnt know that

[limpid agate]

Junkertown is a city

[peak escarp]

Junkrat is just a fan

[dire timber]

I mean, maybe he tried at one point

but

not that we know of

[limpid agate]

Like, its not literally just an arena

Its a full blown city

Roadhog was a farmer

[dire timber]

yeah, there's gotta be a thousand people there at least

....

[limpid agate]

SFW Discord

Shitposting will result in a loss of access

[inland mountain]

im not gonna post it chill Mod man

[dire timber]

talking about it was already too much

[peak escarp]

It's also not canon, so you shouldn't even bring it up

[potent vapor]

It's going to bother me that the Junkertown Queen has blue hair

At least it isn't lime green or something.

[peak escarp]

What's wrong with blue hair?

[potent vapor]

Dunno. I always imagined her with a dyed white.

or yellow.

I guess the color is to keep in line with the punk aesthetic.

[hasty surge]

We had posters of the queen right?

[valid shell]

@hasty surge https://i.redd.it/vf9nk9nggwiz.png

[hasty surge]

I imagined it in blonde

Fits much of the back ground

[valid shell]

How so?

[hasty surge]

https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/File:The_Queen.png

Lol I just imagined it in blonde like junk's hair ok

[valid shell]

I wouldn't say that fits the background.

You just think it would look better. :v

[hasty surge]

Yes I do

[worthy rose]

blue hair looks hella good on some persons

[valid shell]

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/PL1yE92zIo19XPn6ez3Csxgu5pI=/0x0:1907x804/920x613/filters:focal(542x72:846x376):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/60336921/1JrZR0b.0.png

Her design looks like it's downgraded.

[worthy rose]

Well it could be the Brigitte effect

[hasty surge]

Dang it's blue

On a side note does this Hammond skin look like his junker skin?

[worthy rose]

blue like the stripes on the barbarian's faces

[peak escarp]

It's also zoomed out, so it wouldn't make sense to load it up with details

[dire timber]

wait, so she's wielding an axe?

would that be her primary weapon?

[peak escarp]

Probably

She seems like a melee fighter

[dire timber]

hm, I think the important thing to note, is that they primarily focus on three things - gameplay, story, or design

Brigitte as a hero was originally just a Paladin concept

[worthy rose]

No

[peak escarp]

Hammond was a design they liked

[worthy rose]

Briggite has been shown before paladins and her design choice has been used since diablo

[peak escarp]

A couple designs, actually

[worthy rose]

Well

[dire timber]

...

[worthy rose]

Wait

[peak escarp]

Not Paladins the game

[worthy rose]

Briggite herself not before paladins

But before ash

[peak escarp]

Paladin the archetype

[worthy rose]

Yes

[dire timber]

I mean, a Paladin, as in, a hero type

[worthy rose]

Ohhhhh

Sorr

I get defensive over that

[dire timber]

they had the gameplay in mind first

[worthy rose]

Lol

My b

[dire timber]

and only later did they decide that it would suit Brigitte

[peak escarp]

And then to round it out we have Doomfist being story first

[worthy rose]

Also junker queen would be cool but another junker is ehhhhhhh

We just got a junker

I want another talon memeber

[peak escarp]

Hammond isn't a junker

[worthy rose]

Member**

Yes

Hammond became one

Well a sort of one

[peak escarp]

No, he fought in the Scrapyard, but he's an outsider

Not a junker

[dire timber]

it's gonna be either the Queen or an Oasis archeologist

[worthy rose]

I’ve heard some people refer to him as a junker

Cause he lives in junkertown

[dire timber]

Jeff made it a point to say that he's not

[worthy rose]

Jeff

Lul

[dire timber]

which means the jury's not out on the Queen

[peak escarp]

Also he left Junkertown

[worthy rose]

What about the guy d.va was with in the short as a hero

He could ride a hoverbike

And be support

[dire timber]

nah, doubtful

[peak escarp]

Eh, he doesn't seem like a hero type

[worthy rose]

Or another mecka

Meka

[peak escarp]

Also he doesn't have a hoverbike or a mech

[worthy rose]

D.mon or overlord for me would be the coolest to add

But again

Unlikely

[dire timber]

I'm skeptical about any other MEKAs being added

while they can be expanded on as characters, they seemed more like an accessory to D.va's story

kinda like Pharah's squad

[worthy rose]

Or what if and this is a big what if but imagine all the other 4 mekas as one character but you choose which one to play as before the battle starts

This is even more unlikely

But a cool concept to say the least

[dire timber]

I actually had the idea for that

[worthy rose]

Noice

[dire timber]

an Archives-like co-op event

[worthy rose]

Yeaaa

[dire timber]

which, at the core, is five D.va's

[worthy rose]

That’d be so fun

[dire timber]

but each modified

[worthy rose]

Bruhhh

[dire timber]

to represent each MEKA member

[worthy rose]

Gimme

[dire timber]

you could even keep the voice lines, lmao, most of that stuff is what any of them could say

[haughty thorn]

Casino has the best name out of all the other pilots don't @ me

[dire timber]

play as Overlord and say "winky face" a bunch

[worthy rose]

Lol

That’d be funny

What about that Antonio guy

[dire timber]

of course, the voice would be changed, just like Reyes in Retribution

[worthy rose]

Wasn’t he a potential character

[haughty thorn]

He dead

[worthy rose]

So

[dire timber]

nah, he ded

[peak escarp]

Yeah

[worthy rose]

Reaper is dead

[peak escarp]

He's dead

No

Reaper is not dead

[worthy rose]

Gengi and Ana were “dead”

Anyone could fake death in this lore

[peak escarp]

But they weren't actually dead

[worthy rose]

Exactly

[limpid agate]

Except we see Antonio get shot in the face

[peak escarp]

Antonio is verified 100% deceased

Like Gerard

[limpid agate]

Theres nothing to gain from bringing him back

[worthy rose]

Ya

A talon tank char

[dire timber]

Antonio ain't happening

[limpid agate]

s I said

[dire timber]

sorry

[worthy rose]

I want that sooo bad

[limpid agate]

Theres nothing to gain from bringing him back

You want a Talon tank, go ask for Sanjay

[worthy rose]

Nty

[dire timber]

anyhow on my MEKA idea

I think the abilities would be altered too

so that each mech has different mechanics

[worthy rose]

Then again the team is really focused on owl we see they are lacking in doing stuff like this idea by lucioball

[dire timber]

and I'd also replace D.va's self-destruct with something else

[grand sand]

would be neat to see them as skins for dva 🤔

[worthy rose]

I thought of that too^

[dire timber]

they wouldn't be available normally

[peak escarp]

I don't think they could be skins

[dire timber]

too different

[peak escarp]

They would change the hitbox too much

[dire timber]

but they could be "skins" as part of that co-op event

[peak escarp]

Beast is way bigger than Tokki

[dire timber]

they just, you know, wouldn't be available outside of that

[limpid agate]

They will never be DVa skins. They are all different

[dire timber]

check out what I said though

about an Archives-like co-op event

where each is a reskinned D.va with modified abilities

just an idea

[peak escarp]

Eh, I don't know if they would give us a non-Hero to play as

[dire timber]

but yeah, don't expect them to like, show up among D.va's legendary skins

that's not gonna happen

[limpid agate]

100% not gonna happen

[gusty fjord]

So

I just watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orAA8b1U8q0

and it tells me that HAMMOND

KILLED SCIENTISTS in the Lunar Colony??

wat??? He's a murderer?!

[peak escarp]

Nope

Hammond was off doing his own thing when the apes revolted

[gusty fjord]

Or like, tricked them into the airlock?

[peak escarp]

Nope

Hammond was not involved

[gusty fjord]

Oh thank goodness

But the apes, outside of Winston, killed the other scientists then?

[peak escarp]

We don't know who the leader was, but Simon seems likely

Yes, it was the apes

[worthy rose]

Now, I'm not very good with the lore but does winston know hammond was on winston's ship when he was falling to earth?

[peak escarp]

Nope

Hammond tagged along unseen

[worthy rose]

Ah, I see. Thank you

[valid shell]

@gusty fjord Try........

Not to watch non-Hammeh lore videos.

They're full of sensationalism and lies.

[peak escarp]

Yes

They tend to repeat whatever theory the fans come up with

Hammeh does his research

[tight mauve]

Does winston like bloomin onions?

[limpid agate]

@tight mauve Serious questions only please

[worthy rose]

@peak escarp I’m almost positive Hammond was the one that lead the revolt against the scientist

[peak escarp]

Why do you think that?

[worthy rose]

I heard it in a YouTube video....

Why do you not think he lead the revolt

I mean hammond was significant from the start becsuse he was one of the animals not found when horizon lunar first came out

So obviously blizzard intended for Hammond to be important

Right?

[valid shell]

@worthy rose False.

If it was anyone, it was Simon.

There's two instances that explicitly name him as the ringleader of the unruly apes.

Please be less positive until you have all the facts.

[limpid agate]

@worthy rose We were explicitly told Hammond had nothing to do with the revolt

And it was never implied

Teased

Or otherwise said

[worthy rose]

Interesting

I feel lied to

[valid shell]

Like I said.

Don't watch lore videos that aren't by Hammeh.

[haughty thorn]

Hammeh

[worthy rose]

Who dat

[valid shell]

@haughty thorn Yes that is what I typed.

@worthy rose He's a youtuber/streamer that makes sourced and heavily fact-checked lore videos.

[worthy rose]

I’ll check him out

[valid shell]

With clear distinction between canon information, and his own speculation.

[peak escarp]

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/20812209

Hammond is only mentioned as missing

Simon and Hypatia (two gorillas) are the troublemakers

[worthy rose]

I wish those guys were added instead

[valid shell]

?

[worthy rose]

That would’ve been way more badass

[valid shell]

Just give Winston evil gorilla skins.

There's no need for more gorillas.

Regardless of how le badass it would be.

[worthy rose]

Ik I’m saying instead of the hamster

[valid shell]

I don't love Hammond, but at least he's something different.

[worthy rose]

Yea I wish he was more lore filled he’s kinda like briggite where we didn’t need her in the game but it was fine

And this is from a lore stand point

(but people will argue she shouldn’t have been added otherwise)

[peak escarp]

I like Brigitte from a lore standpoint

She gave us more about the friendship between Torb and Rein, plus more about Torb's family

[limpid agate]

There is nothing wrong with Hammond.

There would be something wrong with another monkey.

[peak escarp]

I was mad about Hammond, but mostly because of in-universe reasons

I'm mad at Harold Winston for having a hamster specimen in a simian research project

[fossil sequoia]

i think winston was a human than became a monkey

[valid shell]

@fossil sequoia Source?

[fossil sequoia]

theory

[valid shell]

Without any evidence?

[fossil sequoia]

yea

[peak escarp]

That isn't possible

[haughty thorn]

Wut

[peak escarp]

Winston was born a gorilla

He was never anything else

[limpid agate]

@fossil sequoia @haughty thorn Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[haughty thorn]

Rip, i was just using emotes

[limpid agate]

Moving swiftly onwards

[timid eagle]

Even if the new D.Va short had fallen...., short in a few areas, they had set a good foundation to build D.Va’s character going forward.

But the best thing about that short is the juxtaposition of D.Va on two interconnected layers: the explicit comparison between her risking life and limb for her country, while said country's media is spewing propaganda to keep spirits high, & the internal complex she's enduring trying to put on a brave and bubbly front while being wholly run down.

[limpid agate]

I wouldnt say wholly run down

[timid eagle]

Perhaps, but she seemed to be working non-stop to get her mech back into fighting shape.

She got out from the hospital in a few days, & she’s already building a replacement for her mech.

However, if there is one thing that I wished the short did better, was to show that D.Va’s mechanic/childhood friend was more than simply existing.

Introduce her friend by having him bring her actual food.

The short shows the dorito chips are her favorite snack while she's working. Have the camera pan out to her eating the chips after the news story catches us up on the events, we see D.Va working and then have the friend enter with groceries/some takeout with vegetables.

This does a few things. For one, it makes him actually helpful and immediately informs the audience why he's here and what his role is: To be the Brigette to D.Va's Reinhardt.

[limpid agate]

You cant tell he's her mechanic in the short

Mostly because he doesn't do anything. He's lazy.

[tranquil sun]

the short isn't about Daehyun

[limpid agate]

Its about DVa, and Daehyun is her best friend.

[timid eagle]

As for my suggestion, it can also help convey some intimacy and personal knowledge: He knows D.Va will live like a pig and not eat anything but junk food if she doesn't have actual food put in front of her. That's not something just anyone would know about her, so him knowing that implies a history, and his willingness to do that implies affection that doesn't need to border on the romantic.

[valid shell]

Dae-hyun exists so D.va isn't talking to herself in her short.

[limpid agate]

^

They gotta stop making characters that exist just so the hero doesn't monologue.

[peak escarp]

Maybe DVa prefers junkfood

[limpid agate]

Also ^

She also probably gets lots of free snacks from her sponsers

[peak escarp]

She probably has tons of it because of sponsorships and being the one promoting the product

[timid eagle]

The only character trait that I think Dae-Hyundai has is he’s lazy?

[valid shell]

I wouldn't say lazy.

[limpid agate]

Blizz said lazy

[valid shell]

Ah.

[limpid agate]

In the Fan Festival itnerviews

Its intentional

More specifically, they said "slacker"

[peak escarp]

His laziness contrasts Hana's avid behaviour

[valid shell]

I've found that people use D.va's real name more often than most heroes.

Nobody says Mei-ling, or Lena, or Olivia.

[limpid agate]

Mei is Mei's real name?

[white cobalt]

Yes, Mei-Ling Zhou

[limpid agate]

The Ling is probably her generation name, assuming she has any siblings.

Or that Blizzard used this

[peak escarp]

I mostly use it because Discord often thinks D.Va is a link

[noble raven]

d.va

[limpid agate]

The heroes I find myself using their real name more often than their nickname are Jack, Reyes, and of course Hammond

[peak escarp]

Or I'll just skip the . and write DVa

[noble raven]

Hana is easier than dealing with that period

[peak escarp]

I use Jack and Reyes to differentiate when I'm talking about pre-fall

Or Akande when I'm discussing the Doomfists

[valid shell]

@limpid agate I just Jack, Gabe, and Amelie to divide the characters between eras.

[peak escarp]

But sometimes I just like using their proper names

[native kayak]

D period Va

[valid shell]

@native kayak Yes that is how you spell her name.

[limpid agate]

I know we know little about all of them

But King is the one we know or can speculate the least about, other than he has artillery on his mech

That its named after

Overlord has, by far, the most unique mech of the group.
D.Mon has a shield mech, and some backstory of being on D.Va's esports team.
Casino has very little official info, but lots of speculation about being a Monaco tied F1 driver.

[peak escarp]

There's some good speculation about Casino being an F1 racer, and possibly having ties to Monaco and/or Max

[limpid agate]

Yeah

[peak escarp]

He could even be one of Casino's sponsors

[limpid agate]

But King. Who the hell is King? What makes him special?

[peak escarp]

Dunno

But I'm excited to find out

[native kayak]

He hella cute tbh

[valid shell]

As long as you're being honest.

[limpid agate]

Gonna make a ballsy guess and say

Symmetra short at Blizzcon

[regal coyote]

most likely

if that is the case then sanjay

also by process of elimination casino is the F1 pilot

D.Mon/D.Va are esports

Overlord is probabaly not a speed build, so wold benefit less from F1 driver, msot likely a tactic specialist

Same goes for King being long range

Oh, it seems DMon getting lots of fan attention.

Granted she is too similar to rein for now it seems, so unless we get Echo fighters

[limpid agate]

DMon can be plenty unique.

But Id rather just get Casino or Overlord

[regal coyote]

one hope would be D.Mon being like an eredicator

but yeah casino with the veritech system would be cooler

[gusty fjord]

Hey

I read a comment on YouTube (shocking, I know)

That kind of made me stop to think

So Omnics are robots, right? They're AI, but much like any other computer based thing there is, they must have harddrives in their heads and whatnot, to "store" memory--unless they're saving to a cloud or whatever

[iron plume]

that's the idea yes

[gusty fjord]

So that said, why not just restore the memory of the omnic that got assassinated?

I don't think he got hit in the head

[limpid agate]

He did

[gusty fjord]

oh

Well that shoots that idea

[iron plume]

it's speculated that it's against their religious belief
and he did get headshot

[gusty fjord]

lol

Damn. They hardcore religious like that?

[limpid agate]

The closest we have to Omnic memories being copied or read

Was The Last Bastion

ANd it was read only, not a full on copy.

[iron plume]

It's probably something to the tune of autonomy of self

like if you're copied over to a new body is that really you
and if someone has access to your copied version do you really have control over yourself
etc etc

[peak escarp]

I don't think omnics can be backed up

their memory appears to be read-only

[iron plume]

I think I know what you meant but that's not read-only

if it was they wouldn't form any new ones
while you could still make a copy

it's more like
an omnic's personality can only be stored on an active omnic "brain"
whatever they have as such

[peak escarp]

I mean, they can't be copied, only written and read

I don't know read/write terminology

[limpid agate]

Copying is writing and reading.

[iron plume]

if you can read something and write something, you can copy it

[peak escarp]

by the original omnic

there's no indication that omnics can make backups or save to a cloud

[iron plume]

I think it has more to do with the host, if that is the limitation

rather than "rights"

in that it's physically impossible to store it on something that isn't an omnic

...1 sec

[regal coyote]

@limpid agate sort of, orisa had some memories too

so yeah you can probably read some

but having same memory piece does not make for the saem omnic

so even if you make a memory copy of mondatta you wont get another mondetta

but yeah you get smart omnic from that

[limpid agate]

I forgot Orisa had memories

[regal coyote]

my guess is you can copy them

but having memory and knowledge does not mean you act like your source

So yeah orisa have memories of fallen guards and obviously extensive date/knlwledge but still childish in a way

but still, obviously better than a blank sheet

[worthy rose]

I think mondatta's memory unit was totaled by that shot

[worthy rose]

Did mondatta get shot in the head? There was no mark on his head and it looked like sparks were flying off his chest

[worthy rose]

the bullet could have caused a shortage because it's metal

[dire timber]

I do think he got shot in the chest

also

https://i.imgur.com/PtMD66g.png

I like to think that this is where omnic consciousness is stored

[muted creek]

Yea. Chest. Not head though for sure.

[desert grotto]

Overwatch lore is gay tbh

[regal coyote]

then fuk off to somewhere else.

Oh, in this case then chopping off heads of omnic is not fatal then?

[candid wyvern]

shooting them in the head is

[dire timber]

I mean, not necessarily

depends where the core circuit is

you know what I don't get?

what are these wird pipes?

[cunning ledge]

Aren’t they pistons for movement?

[dire timber]

yeah, but

[cunning ledge]

Or just structural parts

[dire timber]

many robots in fiction don't have that stuff

and many robots in real life, don't, either

and it's not exactly a good look

[cunning ledge]

I can’t think of anything it might be representing in a meta sense

Do monks sometimes have long silver necklaces?

[regal coyote]

on the side is piston and structural things.

the "backbone" part you can see some wire stuff, so it is contact to all those sensory parts on the head

not sure if core is in head or body

but it makes more sense to be in the chest, more protection.

[valid shell]

@dire timber https://comic.playoverwatch.com/issues/overwatch/13/en-us/pages/3/3-4.jpg

[frosty shell]

In the short, it's clearly not the head

So it could be an inaccurate retelling of events

Scratch that

It is supposed to be the head

Though we don't see any visible damage on Mondatta

It's possible the shock might've been enough

Or the bullet could've been specially designed for killing Omnics

[candid wyvern]

it shows bullet POV

and the last frame before impact is his face

[frosty shell]

Yes, that's how we know it's suppossed to have hit his head

[candid wyvern]

no bullet hole because it's too violent for a PG13 game

[frosty shell]

Yes

that's why they didn't show it

No exit wound definitely is plausible

[valid shell]

When we have a comic panel showing where the bullet hit, you can't claim it's an "inaccurate retelling of events".

That's not how that works.

It doesn't matter if it doesn't fit your headcanon, evidence is evidence.

[candid wyvern]

until blizzard retcon it

[valid shell]

Sure.

[frosty shell]

I corrected myself

[valid shell]

But until then, Mondatta was killed with a headshot.

[frosty shell]

It is supposed to be the head

There might've been an entry wound we couldn't see

[candid wyvern]

mondatta wakes up after 7 years comatosed

and then gets added to the game as a DPS

[valid shell]

No.

[frosty shell]

On TVTropes they pointed out that Mondatta's bodyguards made a strange mistake

They should've retreated back into the building behind Mondatta until the shooter was taken care of

Instead of trying to get him into his car

I wonder about what happens after "Alive"

Other than omnic-human race riots

[candid wyvern]

If they're British bodyguards they're probably not very smart

[frosty shell]

Tracer must've given a report to the police about what happened

[valid shell]

If he was really a religious figure akin to the Pope or Dalai Lama, he would be doing his sermon behind glass anyways.

And I doubt Tracer stuck around. Overwatch activity is illegal.

[candid wyvern]

was she acting as OW though

[frosty shell]

They'd probably forgive her in this instance

I don't think she was acting as OW

She was just at the Mondatta rally for personal reasons

She must've had some sort of permit to go, given that she's carrying weapons

[candid wyvern]

got a license for that pulse pistol mate

[frosty shell]

I assume, unless she snuck in

[candid wyvern]

sneaking around in her inconspicuous orange jumpsuit

complete with glowing blue torso

[regal coyote]

Ok, if it helps we can learn from how an omnic suicide

[valid shell]

Best bot Okoro.

[regal coyote]

in pharah's comic one omnic decides to learn from kurt cobain before he gets controlled, and he kiss the rifle just like kurt cobain too, right in his head

[valid shell]

That's kinda a tasteless comparison.

[regal coyote]

so yeah at leasst for some models the head is where the core is

[frosty shell]

Also, did Omnics take humans as POWs during the Crisis?

Did humans do the same?

[peak escarp]

can we not trivialize suicide? it's a sensitive topic

[candid wyvern]

so is the assassination of religious and political leaders

[worthy rose]

Funny that the death count that day was risen because of tracer's intervention

[peak escarp]

Widow was going to kill Mondatta either way

[lusty shale]

Really it was mercy’s fault

[peak escarp]

What

[lusty shale]

I mean, it was totally safe to Rez. Fuckin healers man. Plus she should’ve been there too, being all diplomatic and shit

[peak escarp]

How?

. . .

No

[worthy rose]

Yea the security was shit that day

[lusty shale]

Yes. Would’ve been a great was to intro the mechanic too

[worthy rose]

They walked slower then my grandma with a broken knee

[lusty shale]

Right?

Blizzard was just bullying tracer with that short

[peak escarp]

Rez is not canon

Also she was still in the middle east doing humanitarian aid

She hasn't responded to Recall

[dire timber]

@lusty shale 1. There was no reason for Mercy specifically to be there.

2. Gameplay isn't lore.

3. Mercy doesn't actually possess the ability to resurrect people

[regal coyote]

4. Mondetta is not "people" and chances are biotic does not heal omnics.

5. Even if mercy can heal dying people/omnic there is no reason she be everywhere at the same time

6. Joining/rejoining overwatch is not the only way to good deeds in the world.

7. She likes chocolate

[peak escarp]

How is that relevant?

[noble raven]

Ow can bribe her with the chocolate to come along?

[regal coyote]

^ chocolate is always good

[brazen flare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBJX2Yc4tno

Lucio story when

[candid wyvern]

never because blizzard hate minority characters

[dire timber]

oof, you reminded me

black female hero when

[crystal belfry]

True we need a black female hero

[white cobalt]

South east asia hero when

[valid shell]

@candid wyvern Reaper has the most appearances of any hero.

Drop your agenda pls.

[steel current]

Orisa counts

Kind of

[dire timber]

barely, if at all

she's a robot, you know

[steel current]

Why does it need to be a hero?

I'd say characters like Efi are good for now

[dire timber]

meh

I could say a thing or two about representation, and about how having such representation among playable heroes is an important aspect of that

but not really feeling like it right now

and it would be a bit off topic too

[worthy rose]

I try not to degrade the characters down to their race and more how they themselves are important in the lore

That’s what matters more, while diversity is good, it’s more how the character themselves fit into the story

[dire timber]

it's not degrading to hope for greater representation though

and I'm not saying to disregard anything else in any way

[worthy rose]

True but

[dire timber]

soo

[worthy rose]

If they pull a battlefield V and throw a random character out for diversity that won’t sit well with many p,ayers

That’s what I’m getting at

[dire timber]

Battlefield V controversy was a joke, and having a female lead shouldn't be such a big deal

[worthy rose]

Well its not that a female lead is the issue it’s how they executed the female lead

Like they just chucked the female out of thin air

[dire timber]

how did they execute it?

[worthy rose]

No one expected it or knew who she was is what got people mad

[dire timber]

... what, do female characters need some reason for being introduced?

[worthy rose]

No that’s not what I’m saying

[dire timber]

so, what are you saying?

[worthy rose]

I’m saying don’t add in characters that were never mentioned or seen or heard of and that goes for any race or gender

[dire timber]

uh

when a character is added

they weren't mentioned or heard before that

that's kinda what makes them a new character

[worthy rose]

Brig was mentioned and seen before being added

Doomfist gauntlet and Doomfist was named before being added

The or-15 bots were seen in numbani before orisa

[dire timber]

Moira wasn't, only teased with a vague picture that no one recognized as a tease

[worthy rose]

She was mentioned by reaper in oasis

As a voiceline

[dire timber]

and besides, what makes you think that a black female hero wouldn't get such teases as well?

[worthy rose]

“I know of an old friend here” before she was added

[dire timber]

if we're still on that subject, that is

[worthy rose]

Bruh

[dire timber]

because frankly, I'm not sure what exactly is the point you're trying to make

just earlier, you were talking about Battlefield V

[worthy rose]

Mhm

That’s an example of poor use of representation

[dire timber]

and that's because... the character wasn't teased before? even though I haven't heard anything about Battlefield teasing new main characters beforehand?

[worthy rose]

Fair point

[valid shell]

The fuck you guys talking about Battlefield for.

[dire timber]

no idea

[valid shell]

Let's move on.

[dire timber]

what short so you expect next?

my list goes

Pharah, Zen, Lucio, Symmetra

[worthy rose]

Hopefully orisa

[dire timber]

one of the four

[worthy rose]

No one wants it but me

[valid shell]

What do I expect? Knowing Blizzard, it'll be Brigitte or something.

[limpid agate]

Im expecting Symmetra

[valid shell]

But I HOPE for Zen.

[limpid agate]

There was still that suspicion of Sanjay getting a VA at the start of this year

[worthy rose]

Oooo zen+ gengi

That’d be a cool short

2 birds with one stone

[valid shell]

Because Genji's starved for lore.

[peak escarp]

https://blog.us.playstation.com/2018/08/28/d-va-deconstructed-how-blizzard-created-one-of-overwatchs-most-iconic-heroes/

Casino is F1 racer confirmed

And King is DVa's biggest rival

[regal coyote]

Korea is actually more pro-Overwatch than most countries, in part because the threat of omnic war is ever present to them (and they never suffered a big falling out with Overwatch like Russia). But at the moment, D.Va is more focused on protecting her country than the situation for the whole world.

oh Yuna is described as tough and protective

And so there is a fallout between Russia and Overwatch some time ago

[limpid agate]

Oooh, lore

King is her rival. At least he's no longer no one.

DMon is tough and protective.

Looks like this pushes out some of those envious teammate theories to me

[peak escarp]

Overlord is the group's maknae

[worthy rose]

Do you guys think Liao will ever come back as a hero

[peak escarp]

I hope so, but others here are convinced he's been retconned out of existence

[worthy rose]

Hm well yea cause they had a lot of opportunities to add him

But rn the next hero no one even has a clue who it could be

So besides the queen I hope Liao comes

[limpid agate]

Not no one

Ive been saying hero 29 is the Queen since before we saw Hammond was a hamster

[worthy rose]

Yes but besides the queen

[limpid agate]

If you mean hero 30 and on

Then yeah, cant predict that

[worthy rose]

Well hero what if hero 29 isn’t the queen, people said hero 28 would be the queen and we got that,

But what are your thoughts on Liao ?

[limpid agate]

When people started saying Queen 28, I was using the exact same argument to say Hammond 28 Queen 29.

As for Liao, they're from the pre-First Strike era.

A lot of stuff from back then has mysteriously disappeared and never been mentioned again

[worthy rose]

Hmm ok

[dire timber]

you know, it's super easy to forget that we know more about Mei's current whereabouts than we think

cause we do actually know a bit about what she did after she received the Recall

[limpid agate]

Mei's Journal, Reflections, Overwatch is Back

All document her wearabouts after Rise and Shine

[dire timber]

mhmn

it didn't quite click until now

because of how much it felt like she was just in the background

it seems that despite her being part of the new Overwatch... the public isn't really aware of that

her exploits are public, but the fact that she's in contact with Winston isn't

I guess she was just a scientist, so what she does isn't really considered "Overwatch activity"

... now I want a Mei comic

honestly, how long has it been since we got a comic?

besides Retribution and other event comics?

... was Doomfist the last one? or Searching?

did we even have anything else?

[limpid agate]

Retribution

Is the most recent

Other than that, Searching

[dire timber]

man, they really slowed down with the comics

it's a shame

they offer such an opportunity to expand on the story

[reef dagger]

Cuz clearly league is more important

[limpid agate]

League makes money

Comics dont

[iron plume]

League being more or less important is irrelevant because it’s handled by a completely different entity

[limpid agate]

Different people

But still eats into budget

[peak escarp]

It was interesting that Chu considers Mei part of the "next generation" of heroes

[limpid agate]

And some resources are shared

Well, I agree

She wasnt a hero in Overwatch

Just a scientist

[peak escarp]

Yeah, I guess that makes sense

You know, I should have guessed King would be DVa's rival

He's got that "snobby rival" sort of look to him

So we've got:
Casino - the cool type, former F1 driver, possible ties to Monaco/Max
DMon - protective, the team mom?, former esports, same team as DVa
DVa - the popular one, fears failure, former esports, same team as DMon
King - the rival, probably a know-it-all, former esports
Overlord - the baby of the group, has drones, former esports? Pilot?

[limpid agate]

Sounds about right.

Id imagine Overlord was the response to the common misconception

Make him an actual Starcraft pro, since the drones fit with that

[peak escarp]

That would make sense

Isn't Overlord a unit in StarCraft?

[limpid agate]

Yes, Zerg

Mastermind Overlord

Are things in Starcraft

They're just a specific group of Overlords in SC1

[peak escarp]

That makes even more sense then

[limpid agate]

Yup. His whole design looks like a mix of Starcraft and Airmech

[peak escarp]

If King's mech is named after historical rocket ammo, maybe he's a history buff?

[limpid agate]

And his name is just Starcraft references

Or he just named his mech after the guns

[peak escarp]

Nevermind - that's not enough to guess at his interests

DMon's mech represents her pretty well though

She's "tough and protective", her mech is the biggest and tankiest one

[limpid agate]

And has a shield

[peak escarp]

I'm loving the character design that went into all the MEKA pilots

Makes me think they have potential to be playable heroes eventually

I'd like all our supporting characters to be detailed like that

[limpid agate]

MEKA and Talon have both had great designs this year

Shame thats all we've seen.

[peak escarp]

Yeah

[iron plume]

well the year's not over

there's still blizzcon

[peak escarp]

The lore we do get is quality (for the most part - I'm looking at you, Searching)

We just don't get enough of it

We didn't get nearly this much information about Mei's team

Sure they were dead, but I'd still like to know who they were

[iron plume]

they're not just all dead, they have been since before the fall

idk what characterizing them would really bring

[peak escarp]

Nothing really

I just like knowing people's backstories

I want info on every name and every face we've ever seen

[iron plume]

fair

[formal steppe]

what was that item that mccree threw out the train in ‘train hopper’?

at the end of it

[peak escarp]

We don't know

[iron plume]

macguffin box

[peak escarp]

It was something Talon wanted

[iron plume]

something vaguely important but with no specifics

[peak escarp]

That's all we know about it

[formal steppe]

oh, alrighty

[peak escarp]

It may be important later, or it may never be seen or acknowledged again

[frosty shell]

It is kinda weird to name yourself Overlord if you were a StarCraft player

[limpid agate]

We will probably never see the MacGuffin Tesseract again.

@frosty shell How many people named "Hanzo" or "Genji" have you played in Overwatch?

[frosty shell]

I play on console

[limpid agate]

I play on PC. Its not uncommon

[iron plume]

that's not really the same thing

[peak escarp]

People name themselves after characters or units all the time

That's usually how I know they're a smurf

[frosty shell]

I did play somebody named "Amelie Lacroix" or something

[iron plume]

hanzo/genji are heroes you control
overlord is a unit

it's still not that unusual

[frosty shell]

Yeah

It still seems likely D. Va's father used to be a StarCraft pro

[peak escarp]

"DVa inherited her love for gaming from her father (who had been a professional gamer when he was younger)."

And it was mentioned before that StarCraft is his favourite game

It was mentioned in the "common misconception" post

[frosty shell]

My headcanon used to be that her father's career was cut short by the Omnic crisis

[peak escarp]

I was about to say "I want to get pictures of all the heroes with their families" but then I remembered

[frosty shell]

remembered what

That some of them don't have families

Back when we all thought D. Va was a StarCraft player, it would've explained why D.Va held the records, but couldn't beat her dad

[peak escarp]

Mercy and Sombra's families are dead

And we already know most of Brigitte/Torbjorn's family

[frosty shell]

They could be pictures from before they died

[peak escarp]

And Pharah/Ana's

True

[frosty shell]

Yeah

[peak escarp]

I'd be happy with that

[frosty shell]

I once thought of giving characters sprays representing people they'd lost

I also thought it would be a good idea to give Soldier a veteran's skin

And you could buy it and the proceeds would go to a veteran's charity

[peak escarp]

I want sprays for all the heroes with military backgrounds of them in their nation's dress uniform

[frosty shell]

The main trouble would be how to internationalize it

[peak escarp]

Or skins, but that's a bit greedy

[frosty shell]

Soldier would be wearing like a "Veterans of the Omnic Crisis" hat

There aren't any vet charities I know of that are for vets from all over the world

[peak escarp]

I also want school uniform sprays, but people would get weird with those

[frosty shell]

And Soldier might not've gone to a school with a uniform

[peak escarp]

True

It wouldn't work for everyone

[frosty shell]

It might also cause some controversy over whether to include same-sex couples in the families

[peak escarp]

But sprays of everyone as kids would be nice too

(The Halloween sprays don't count)

[frosty shell]

I'd love a second round of sprays for the events

That would keep them from getting stale

[peak escarp]

I still think those sprays aren't the heroes themselves as kids, but random kids dressed up as the heroes

Orisa's spray is Efi dressed up as Orisa

Winston's is him dressed up as Harold Winston

And Soldier has the best one

[frosty shell]

I'm not sure if those sprays are canon

Except maybe Winston's

That makes sense

[peak escarp]

Maybe Orisa's

Efi would totally dress as her for Halloween (would they celebrate Halloween in Numbani?)

[frosty shell]

I'm not sure if they celebrate Halloween in Africa now

But this is the future

Though I don't know how trick-or-treating would work in Numbani

I'm pretty sure all the Archives sprays are canon, though

[peak escarp]

Yeah

The general assumption is that Archives = canon, maybe with some small exceptions

Specimen 28 and Sombra's Talon are questionable

[frosty shell]

Yeah

[valid shell]

Why Talon Sombra?

[peak escarp]

I think Specimen 28 represents testing equipment he might have worn when he was younger/smaller, but it's adult sized to keep Winston's hitbox