believable
#lore-discussion
candid wyvern
and the whole point of a good story is that it suspends disbelief
D.va's plot doesn't
it plays out like a hollywood B-Movie
dire timber
iirc, they said they didn't include MEKA staff due to time constraints
but it wouldn't really change the story
candid wyvern
too busy making world of warcraft shorts
dire timber
there would just be more guys in the background in some shots
you probably wouldn't notice
candid wyvern
I'd feel like the entire plot wasn't a drug induced fever dream d.va was having
after losing her 5th comp game of the night
and being stuck in silver
new headcanon right there
dire timber
sounds like crap
candid wyvern
yeah i mean
it's derived from her current lore
so of course it is
scrap and rewrite the whole hero
dire timber
nah, it's crap because it's a stupid "lel, what if the thing I dislike was just a dream XDDD"
candid wyvern
better a dream than an actual serious attempt at writing
I don't get payed to do this
dire timber
you actually seem upset that we had a D.va short at all
that she was expanded on to begin with
... lmao
I got it now
candid wyvern
i mean it could have gone to literally any other character and been better honestly
candid wyvern
Yeah I do dislike D.va for all the previously listed reasons
She's badly written
the entire premise of her plot is dumb
and she has no relevance to the rest of the OW story
dire timber
it showed earlier, with that "D.va main" comment, and now, with complaining about the stuff we already knew
candid wyvern
this short does very little to salvage it
dire timber
she's not connected to the main story, but that doesn't mean hers is bad
it visualizes how the rest of the world struggles without Overwatch
candid wyvern
korean government incompetence shows that reliance on overarching institutions only makes us weak
Doomfist did nothing wrong
dire timber
I mean, Russia didn't rely on Overwatch, and look where it got them
they couldn't even properly pacify the omnium, lmao
meanwhile a bunch of Australians in the middle of nowhere were able to pull that off
iron plume
Australian omnium wasn't military
dire timber
(though the circumstances were a bit different)
iron plume
or at least we don't know it is
dire timber
yeah, I think it was pacified
I think Overwatch was able to do something to turn the omniums non-hostile
iron plume
Russia didn't want to rely on Overwatch, but that was around fall
would they really help
dire timber
they didn't rely on Overwatch for the Omnic Crisis either
dire timber
in fact, I think the omnium only reactivated after the fall
dire timber
I think it's simply that in the Omnic Crisis, Russia temporarily crippled the omnium, while Overwatch was able to pacify them
how old is Zarya again?
iron plume
28
dire timber
she was a weightlifter at the time when the Siberian omnium reactivated
while Overwatch shut down 5 years before Recall
dire timber
iron plume
the omnium was shut down
it doesn't say anything about the Australian one in Roadhog's story
just that it was given to omnics
dire timber
and that ALF blew it up
iron plume
well yeah
dire timber
@candid wyvern please quit acting like your dislike of D.va's story has any bearing on the lore
it does not
dire timber
well, it definitely wasn't hostile
iron plume
well yeah
but it could've been shut down similarly
maybe for the omnics themselves to restart it
dire timber
I believe the omniums had some sort of hostile programming in them, that Overwatch took out completely
while the Siberian omnium was just crippled, with its programming unchanged
... maybe the god programs were the omnium AIs
just throwing it out there
iron plume
pls
dire timber
what, not likely?
they were quarantined by Overwatch after the Omnic Crisis, and Reyes knows something about them that Helix doesn't
iron plume
I'm skeptical about everything "god program" for now
dire timber
there is something to them, we just don't know what
but I think that could be it - omnium AI
or maybe an AI that was placed by someone within the omniums
which then proceed to take control of the manufacturing line, the same way that Anubis took control of the omnics
frosty shell
I don't think the God Programs were Omnium AIs
Pharah might've confused them for Omnium AIs
But I think that Anubis was a massive upgrade
Gaining the ability to hack other omnics with ease and to protect itself
It couldn't be shut down because it was able to survive the destruction of the omnium
And it can back itself up easily, perhaps?
So it was quarantined instead
limpid agate
No where is it suggested that it is an omnium AI
Just that it is an AI that was shut down with the crisis
frosty shell
Also, I think the Australian Omnium was (mostly) destroyed
The civillian Omnics survived, and were kept in place
lilac silo
quick question: are the robots in D.Va's short new omnics or old one? Idk if they stated that cuz they remind me of Talon
frosty shell
We know that even after the Crisis, there were still rogue Omnics
@lilac silo They were made by the factory the Gwishin came from
The Talon resemblance is likely coincidental
lilac silo
ah ok then thanks btw
limpid agate
The Australian Omnium was destroyed.
dire timber
@limpid agate yeah, that's why it's just speculation on my part
limpid agate
@dire timber I didnt read your comment yet, I just woke up and saw the comment that Pharah might've confused them for Omnium AIs
Which was never suggested
dense cedar
Ok so i think the big purple cube is going to destroy Tilted Towers
What do u guys think
frosty shell
@limpid agate OK, I admit my "Pharah confusion" thing is headcanon
eternal badge
zenyatta should hae gotten an animated short he has like zero lore
limpid agate
@dense cedar What are the Tilted Towers
@eternal badge He is up there (or down there, rather) in heroes with no lore.
DVa was just the very bottom
dense cedar
Oh
limpid agate
No
dense cedar
Ok
limpid agate
He has a... Tolerance? Resistance?
Its implied he blew his arm and leg off with bombs
eternal badge
oof
candid wyvern
he has
special armour
known as
the overwatch game is not canon to overwatch lore
dire timber
yep, gameplay isn't lore
eternal badge
oh
candid wyvern
but then his mines are
"concussive"
apparently
so maybe you could bounce around on them if you really wanted to
eternal badge
roadhog must be immune to gas because it literally heals him
limpid agate
He is not huffing paint
And he is not immune to gas
His can is a special concoction that counteracts the effects of radiation
Saying he is immune to gas because it helps him is like saying someone with asthma is immune to gas because they huff a can of it.
dire timber
no shitposting
peak escarp
"There are more in the force protecting Busan, although we didn’t get to show the rest of the force in the animated short due to limited budget and time. Also, the MEKA force stops the omnics every single time at the frontline."
there are more than just the 5 MEKA pilots defending Korea
peak escarp
maybe Busan is considered the frontline - they stop them there so they can't get to the rest of the country?
dire timber
the omnic didn't get to Busan, doesn't mean they weren't able to knock some mechs that way
valid shell
When they say 'more in the force', do they mean more MEKA, or does SK still have a standing army/navy/etc.
peak escarp
SK does have a military force, which MEKA is a part of
dire timber
well, there's more mechanics, for example
dire timber
each mech got one specifically assigned to them
and there's more staff at the MEKA base
and Captain Myung
valid shell
I do like that MEKA is pulled from not just esports.
Hana and Yuna are, but Casino is F1 if I remember correctly?
peak escarp
found the quote I was looking for
people on the forums telling me Athena is a god program
smh
also apparently red eyes on an omnic is proof that they're being controlled by a god program
so the kishin omnics are all being controlled
valid shell
The article spells it Gwui-shin.
eternal badge
wait are those evil drone things attacking busan omnics?
if so those are some weird ass omnics
eternal badge
i thought omnics were done attacking
peak escarp
so did MEKA
and then they broke their predictable pattern
which may be a sign that things are ramping up for DVa and she may need more help defending Korea
eternal badge
man im starting to wonder how the meka squad nearly lost if dva was able to take them down on her own
peak escarp
the squad was injured fighting the big omnic, the one that is the real threat
dire timber
@valid shell they clearly say Kishin in the short
peak escarp
these little squid-omnics are still a threat, and DVa barely defeated them
dire timber
on hint of G
peak escarp
I choose to spell it phonetically
eternal badge
im guessing one day dva and her squad will loose
mostly if those omnics nearly killed dva
iron plume
doubt it
valid shell
It's almost as though 'Kishin' is an Anglophonic bastardization of the intended pronunciation.
dire timber
@eternal badge the Omnic Crisis has ended, but in some ways, it wasn't all dealth with
regal coyote
Wait, so it is confirmed Casino is a boy then
dire timber
the Siberian omnium and the Kishin omnics are the two examples of that
uh
it's pretty obvious?
regal coyote
They say 3 male 2 female MEKA pilot
valid shell
Tf is this headcanon.
candid wyvern
casino is trans
regal coyote
now Hana is female and my guess is D.Mon is female and not a traap
candid wyvern
how do you know hana is female
regal coyote
thanks, my point
candid wyvern
Can't judge a book by its name
dire timber
@candid wyvern no shitposting
valid shell
Your point was reiterating things we already knew and accepted?
regal coyote
before there were those thinking casino might be a girl
candid wyvern
@dire timber no unnecessary pings
iron plume
he doesn't look remotely like a girl what
candid wyvern
what does a girl "look like"
trick question blizzard give every female character the exact same facial structure
so it's easy to tell
eternal badge
they dont have the same face
valid shell
You're trying real real hard to be funny, but this isn't the channel for it.
dire timber
yeah, Orisa looks so similar to Mercy, smh
candid wyvern
Orisa is a robbuttes
iron plume
Brig and mercy don't have the same face either
candid wyvern
maybe they're all related
dire timber
but yeah, Binge's right
candid wyvern
deep lore
valid shell
<@&397922982632226816>
iron plume
that post was ridiculous stretching
dire timber
points to @candid wyvern
candid wyvern
What?
dire timber
this person over there is shitposting
candid wyvern
Stop pinging me
iron plume
like the exact photos they used were clearly a different face
candid wyvern
you've already been warned for it
dire timber
... by you
candid wyvern
Yes
eternal badge
i wonder who the next hero is
candid wyvern
stop harassing me dude
iron plume
but then you overlay one over the other with 50% opacity and it's "totally that guys"
eternal badge
possibly someone new
dire timber
then stop shitposting
eternal badge
ok ok chill out guys
worthy rose
Wow you guys are still arguing
floral herald
Moving on please
candid wyvern
I wish I wasn't
terse oak
^
worthy rose
Its been like 5 hours
valid shell
Prosthetics company.
valid shell
@candid wyvern Dude, stop.
candid wyvern
it makes fists
terse oak
@candid wyvern Last chance
eternal badge
no they dont
terse oak
I won't be so lenient in future
valid shell
They do.
candid wyvern
@terse oak im not even shitposting
eternal badge
oh for real
valid shell
Akande's family owns a prosthetics company.
candid wyvern
I've asked them not to
valid shell
@candid wyvern
candid wyvern
Binge is correct
worthy rose
Lmao
candid wyvern
they make limbs
eternal badge
so how did they doomfist before doomfist make the gauntlet
did he get it from doomfist family
iron plume
no
dire timber
uh, the Doomfist gauntlet preceded Akande
iron plume
the previous doomfist wasn't related
iron plume
he was third doomfist's teacher but not related by blood
dire timber
Akande just modified Ayedemi's gauntlet to his tastes
eternal badge
so talon made it possibly made it?
peak escarp
maybe
dire timber
Akande
candid wyvern
I'm not sure the origins of it are known
dire timber
you know what I mean
candid wyvern
no shitposting binge
iron plume
The gauntlet itself is different
eternal badge
i want so more doomfist gauntlet lore
iron plume
the title is passed over but DF made the new gauntlet himself
peak escarp
the first Doomfist's "gauntlet" was little more than spiked knuckles
iron plume
so it's possible his business is related to that
peak escarp
the second Doomfist had an actual gauntlet
dire timber
@iron plume you sure it wasn't just re-adapted?
iron plume
maybe as a base
candid wyvern
So OG Doomfist was just a brawler
iron plume
but he definitely changed it if it was
candid wyvern
bomb honestly
peak escarp
which the third Doomfist (our boy) killed him for and adapted for himself
candid wyvern
what tech is even in the gauntlet that lets you fly
valid shell
The Savior might have built the initial gauntlet before the Scourge claimed it.
dire timber
what we do know is that Akande built a prototype gauntlet of his own
peak escarp
probably using some tech from his family's company
iron plume
so could still be contain tech his family/company makes
eternal badge
one of my questions is what the hell is the gauntlet made of
candid wyvern
metal
dire timber
I wish we knew more about the original Doomfist - so far he's basically just a face, a title, and a name
eternal badge
but what type of metal its able to destroy a fucking building the metal must be special
candid wyvern
like the meka crew tbh
iron plume
handwavium basically
peak escarp
the gauntlet doesn't let you fly
candid wyvern
VIBRANIUM
valid shell
It doesn't seem to be terribly significant, if Akande beat Akinjide with an imitation.
dire timber
@candid wyvern not comparable
valid shell
The title is more important.
iron plume
some kind of future tech babble
dire timber
but I knew you'd drop this comment
candid wyvern
unobtanium?
valid shell
Less memes please.
iron plume
like most of ow's tech
candid wyvern
what does the gauntlet let doom do
iron plume
...you're the one who's started this
valid shell
Whatever we see him do in Doomfist Origin.
That's our only canon exposure to the gauntlet.
candid wyvern
I already forgot that entire short honestly
eternal badge
doomfist must be really strong if he can take out his teacher who had the doomfist gauntlet and also 3 orisa's
dire timber
but yeah, with the Scourge, we at least got some background - he was Talon's dirty work guy, he recruited Akande into Talon and trained him as his mentor, then he was killed by Akande
candid wyvern
no u
eternal badge
why did akande kill the scourge though
dire timber
with the Savior, we just got... he's a hero of the Omnic Crisis I guess??
@eternal badge to succeed him
eternal badge
what does that mean sorry for being stupid
candid wyvern
etc etc
dire timber
claim his position within Talon for himself
candid wyvern
Doomfist's ideology is pretty much like
valid shell
Go on.
peak escarp
We haven't seen him uppercut people 10 feet into the air, so we can assume that's just a gameplay mechanic
dire timber
we haven't?
eternal badge
he did it to genji
dire timber
^
peak escarp
I thought that was just a punch?
valid shell
We have seen him uppercut 10ft into the air, he just didn't land it.
candid wyvern
can he uppercut himself 10 feet into the air
thats the thing
of course he can punch someone else super far
eternal badge
well it wasn't an upercut but he jumped super high but im pretty sure he cando it
candid wyvern
can he just lift himself with the force of a punch
valid shell
Yes.
candid wyvern
and somehow not dislocate his arm in the process
valid shell
?
candid wyvern
good design
peak escarp
It's been a while since I've seen it, honestly
valid shell
His whole body is augmented, homie.
valid shell
What.
eternal badge
i wonder will the first doomfist or the omnic crisis one who is a hero be a character
candid wyvern
wearing shoes is transhumanism
dire timber
what
peak escarp
The arm he wears the gauntlet on is a prosthetic
valid shell
It does when his entire skeletal structure is reenforced to distribute and absorb the impact of the gauntlet.
candid wyvern
You'd have two characters called Doomfist
dire timber
@eternal badge nah, he's probably dead
candid wyvern
which would be awkward at best
eternal badge
maybe
candid wyvern
dead characters can still be in game
valid shell
@eternal badge Best we'd get is a skin of the Savior or Scourge.
candid wyvern
since blizzard want to kill people off supposedly
eternal badge
i guess it would make sense why they have a poster for him to honor his death
candid wyvern
he's a prime candidate for it
dire timber
they've confirmed nothing
valid shell
If the storyline continues at anything close to a normal passage of time, then Reinhardt and Ana will definitely eventually die.
eternal badge
reinhardt would make more sense to kill it can be like that other reinhardt guy fighting off the omnics instead its maybe rein fighting off talon
for brig
candid wyvern
well we've had like
valid shell
Jack and Gabe are safe, because enhancement.
peak escarp
@valid shell sure, in like 20-30 years
valid shell
Normal lifespan doesn't factor into career combatants.
eternal badge
ana is 70 years old yet she can still fight wtf
valid shell
Reinhardt's body is explicitly described as 'breaking down'.
dire timber
@candid wyvern there was no Numbani museum short
valid shell
@eternal badge Ana is 60.
candid wyvern
uuuh
dire timber
that wasn't an animated short, but a cinematic trailer
valid shell
The Cinematic Trailer wasn't in Numbani.
peak escarp
but this is also 60 years in the future, with nanotechnology to repair injuries
dire timber
and it was an Overwatch museum, not a Numbani museum
peak escarp
I would expect that increased the average lifespan
candid wyvern
not talking to you binge
eternal badge
why did reaper become evil
candid wyvern
ideological differences with soldier is as far as you can put it
also he got blown up
dire timber
and blames them for his current condition
eternal badge
but didn't moira do that
dire timber
I think it's the explosion that made him unstable
candid wyvern
I'd imagine she had to
eternal badge
oh
peak escarp
yes, but he doesn't blame her
candid wyvern
in order to keep him in one piece
peak escarp
he blames Overwatch
candid wyvern
or many, as it may be
dire timber
and I think he blames Overwatch for the explosion
peak escarp
he and Moira seem to still be on good terms
eternal badge
to me thats kind of a stupid reason to join an evil group
peak escarp
^
candid wyvern
as with everything else
peak escarp
Blizzard is taking their time putting the story out
candid wyvern
yeah
peak escarp
they expect Overwatch to last 10+ years
candid wyvern
they'll certainly milk it for that long
eternal badge
kind of wish they put some stories about the heroes out more quicker
peak escarp
all their other IPs have been going strong for a long time
dire timber
I think that after Retribution, Moira was kicked out of Overwatch, but kept in contact with Reyes
dire timber
and kept asking him for "favors", that in unbeknownst to him, were missions for Talon
peak escarp
he would need her to manage his condition
eternal badge
moira experiments and stuff were wrong to voerwatch
candid wyvern
true
peak escarp
candid wyvern
I thought since Retribution was mentioned, it would be related to that
eternal badge
but did gabriel kick her out thats weird if she gave her the powers
peak escarp
Gabe was in trouble for hiring Moira as much as he was for exposing Blackwatch
dire timber
uh, I think Morrison kicked her out
eternal badge
oh
dire timber
and I think he and Ana didn't even know she was recruited
eternal badge
i would love to have powers like reapers tbh
dire timber
uh, no you wouldn't
eternal badge
oof
peak escarp
it's probably not a great feeling, having your cells constantly decay and regenerate
eternal badge
im guessing she will possibly help talon make a super soldier of their own to take someone like winston out
candid wyvern
soldurrr 24444
terse oak
Reaper =/= Soldier 76
candid wyvern
How come reaper gets countered by Winston in lore
terse oak
The Gibraltar video showed Reaper retreating
dire timber
@candid wyvern because gameplay isn't lore
eternal badge
reaper took down winston in rage mode
terse oak
Not being "defeated" as such
eternal badge
but that was luck
peak escarp
in both instances of Reaper and Winston fighting, Reaper seemed to intentionally trigger Winston's rage
dire timber
uh
what did he do in Recall?
in Recall, there didn't seem to be much of a reason for Winston's rage
eternal badge
he wanted to get all the overwatch agents names so he could kill them
peak escarp
Called him a monkey
peak escarp
Idk, maybe he's sensitive about being a gorilla in human society
peak escarp
No
candid wyvern
and threw a bubble at him
valid shell
?
peak escarp
I should have said "anger" not "rage"
valid shell
You do not remember correctly.
dire timber
... you mean, he used a defective shield generator as a bomb
eternal badge
i just really want to see someone beat winston in rage mode
dire timber
@eternal badge not gonna happen, unless the opponent is really, really strong
valid shell
It's almost as though an adult silverback gorilla can body most humans in hand-to-hand easily.
dire timber
I'm thinking like, Volskaya mechs, or the Kishin omnic
eternal badge
im guessing doomfist is going to study winston and find weaknesses and maybe he will defeat but who knows
dire timber
yep
candid wyvern
I think they would probably have a good matchup, yes
but then he could just climb on them
who knows
candid wyvern
dex vs str
eternal badge
im pretty sure winston can defeat dva easily so handling those omnic things would be no problem for him
regal coyote
no point in comparing that.
candid wyvern
Kishin with brain: fly away from winston and barrage missiles at him
Kishin without brain: lose
dire timber
you'd basically need to prepare a trap to deal with an enraged Winston
valid shell
I mean, normal apes are known for going straight for weak points, like the cheeks, eyelids, ears, genitals, etc.
candid wyvern
she can fly super high
valid shell
So a gorilla with Winston's intelligence would twist D.Va's joysticks off immediately.
dire timber
@regal coyote there's probably only so high that the mechs can fly, too
candid wyvern
and then she has a pair of ass shotguns to utilise form 100 feet up
candid wyvern
winston can leap, primal, leap again 
dire timber
not lore
eternal badge
oh
candid wyvern
can genji double jump in lore
eternal badge
but he can still jump pretty hgh
dire timber
I dunno if we've seen him do it
candid wyvern
if he can, put those augmentations into Winston
regal coyote
in lore kind of reality, winston would not win, unless primal (which is basically saiyan + plot armor)
eternal badge
primal is too op
valid shell
"look mom i posted teh funni faec"
candid wyvern
no harassment
regal coyote
but in lore genji can wall run any way he likes
candid wyvern
well, he's a ninja
candid wyvern
have better awareness winston
peak escarp
he did get a space capsule dropped on him
candid wyvern
he had poor positioning
eternal badge
there wasn't a lot fo space in the building too
regal coyote
to be fair he is ganked
eternal badge
so reaper got the advantage
candid wyvern
Does Reaper still shoot lasers in recall
dire timber
I like that we got to see Talon troopers in game
candid wyvern
or nah
peak escarp
lasers?
eternal badge
one of my questions is what did winston do with the talon troopers
dire timber
as part of the Retribution event
candid wyvern
Because in the museum cinematic he shoots lasers
peak escarp
he didn't shoot lasers at the museum
dire timber
@eternal badge I think they ded
eternal badge
oof
candid wyvern
pew pew
peak escarp
he had smoke grenades, which he never had again
eternal badge
he looks liek he just knocked them out
candid wyvern
A gorilla punching you
knocked out if you're lucky
but then they have body armour and such
tough lads
black ops
dire timber
@peak escarp I mean, he probably still got them in the lore
candid wyvern
can't kill people in a PG13 universe
eternal badge
damn if winston killed all those troopers
peak escarp
true
dire timber
@eternal badge I mean, that's armed combat for ya
peak escarp
@candid wyvern Sombra definitely killed people in Infiltration
valid shell
Def.
dire timber
there's gonna be casualties
eternal badge
well sombra evil
candid wyvern
Sombra's probably an anti-hero
eternal badge
how did doomfist now get a death penalty
dire timber
Tracer also shot at Widowmaker with live ammo
valid shell
Eh.
candid wyvern
yeah but note how she missed
dire timber
so, ya know
valid shell
The lethality of Tracer's pulse pistols is in question.
After watching the Cinematic Trailer, Alive, and Doomfist Origins.
dire timber
she shot at Widowmaker with her own rifle
candid wyvern
Is the pulse rifle lethal
eternal badge
he pistols didn't do shit to doomfist
valid shell
@dire timber True!
dire timber
@eternal badge that was so weird
candid wyvern
Probably designed to knock people out
and Doomfist is roided as fuck
too much adrenaline
dire timber
like, at least show something, instead of Doomfist just anding there
candid wyvern
it's like when you tazer a crack addict
eternal badge
i think her pistols are like a taser or something maybe its made to knock you down
eternal badge
i dont think she kills does she
candid wyvern
pulse rifle probably non-lethal
dire timber
I'm not too sure about that
eternal badge
wait did soldier kill those mexicans
dire timber
I think he did kill these mexicans
iron plume
Pulse weapons are a thing
candid wyvern
so probably the high tech equivalent of like r
rubber bullets
which still break your bones
eternal badge
damn morrison became brutal
iron plume
they're not made yet but like
that's a thing that's possible
and they're lethal, they're ballistic
candid wyvern
"""non-lethal""" weapons are no joke even now
some guy got shot in the groin and lost a testicle to Her Majesty's Royal Police Force
Pulse can either be "electricity powered bullets" or "direct transmission of electricity to target"
latter being basically a gun firing any kind of round and former being a tazer
regal coyote
well i mean it is nothing wrong killing people, if they are people you need to eliminate (like the LM thugs) or enemy combatant (depending on enemy and definition)
So yeah overwatch killed omnics and people.
candid wyvern
Nobody being shot with pulse weapons acts like they're being tazed though
So ballistics
Can Omnics really die 
regal coyote
My guess is that reason why jack/ana's trip to take weapons from helix did not kill anyone is most likely cause ana/jack thinks of helix as people on his side, with different loyalty/circumstances
candid wyvern
just weld the cpu
peak escarp
omnics die if they are destroyed
regal coyote
if those were talon troops holding the rifles ana/jack would be more likely to kill a few
candid wyvern
Omnics should form a giant transmaterial cybercollective
peak escarp
which can then be read by another omnic (see The Last Bastion)
regal coyote
well there is a difference of death though yes, like you can chop an omnic up real bad, but as long as the core is fine he is not dead
candid wyvern
So, if you murder an omnic, destroy the HD?
regal coyote
but it is ok to loop of limbs on omnic, it would be non-lethal
peak escarp
that's kinda the debate going on in the OW universe
regal coyote
if you ask me they are fucking walking smart toasters, kill them all you want.
peak escarp
are omnics alive?
candid wyvern
@regal coyote okay Zarya
regal coyote
but we dont know how pain is doen in their programming, but most likely they can easily shut down parts
candid wyvern
Omnics are a very smart and nuanced allegory for racism
and not at all on-the-nose
regal coyote
yes and no
regal coyote
it is a good platform to deal with some racism issue yes
candid wyvern
and then there's humanoid omnics who are just humanoids basically
regal coyote
but also the fact they are property created by humans to serve rather than a seperate species, more like, they are lower than a smart pig, let alone a dog
regal coyote
the thing is, humanoid or not does not matter, the bnody is jsut that, a shell to hold a core
so you can look like a centaur, pony, rabbit and still have the same intelligence level
dire timber
psst
peak escarp
I can understand why some omnics are not made in humanoid form, particularly if they are anti-human
regal coyote
but yes soem omnic are dumb shit, at best a dog level or less, like the slicers
peak escarp
after all, why would you want to emulate something you hate?
dire timber
we had already once treated sentient beings as property
it didn't go well
and was, in hindsight, regarded as a bad move
regal coyote
civ omnics? is that a term for things like zenyatta or other similar (and lower) omnics, that is mainly for non-combat breed?
candid wyvern
leaving the ocean, was, in hindsight, a bad move
but oh well
@peak escarp because bipedal forms with opposable thumbs are fairly optimal
regal coyote
we also have successfully exterminated other humanoid species on the planet, as recent as 5000 bc, and is regarded as a good move
dire timber
point is, don't mind hamster, he genuinely hates omnics as if they're actually a thing, and not just fictional entities
candid wyvern
neanderthals resigned
regal coyote
yes as recent as 5000bc it is thought to still have other sapiens other than H.Sapien Sapien
candid wyvern
sahelanthropus
dire timber
uh, I think it was a little earlier than that
candid wyvern
regal coyote
Was talking about the real "hobbits"
candid wyvern
irish people?
regal coyote
no dont be racist
dire timber
cause, like, modern humans evolved 100,000 years ago
candid wyvern
im allowed to self-deprecate
dire timber
iirc
regal coyote
dire timber
and human civilization started 12,000 years ago
candid wyvern
modern humans coexisted with other humanoid species
peak escarp
Homo floresiensis was from 60,000 to 100,000 years ago
peak escarp
not 5,000 BCE
peak escarp
still off by 10,000 years
dire timber
since we're talking about years and eras
but, um
we should be getting back to lore
peak escarp
yes
candid wyvern
how would overwatch have impacted the paleolithic era
dire timber
no, stop
candid wyvern
i dont see you forwarding any better theorycrafting ideas
regal coyote
back to lore
still think the exposed limbs from meka pilot is weird
but chu did not comment on that
personally i think limbs are less important parts on humans, and is easily replacable
regal coyote
sounds weird and harsh, but yeah i am thinking of a ghost-in-the-shell like situation, where limbs can be replaced fast
regal coyote
i mean, junkrat can make things like that fast apparently, or at least the junekrs can
candid wyvern
i mean his prosthetics are fairly shitty
whereas Symmetra/Torbjorn/McCree clearly have very good ones
peak escarp
we don't know how McCree lost his arm
candid wyvern
whatever the fuck Torbjorn's is meant to be
peak escarp
there are a few theories, but nothing solid
candid wyvern
im sure it's an important design though
regal coyote
function wise junkrat ram is still better than what we can make today rl by long mile
candid wyvern
@peak escarp dropped his revolver in a spitoon and tried to recover it
big mistake
noble raven
I think they just needed ways to tie these characters into the sci fi setting more
candid wyvern
got the ol' spitoon hand
peak escarp
Torborn was confirmed to have multiple arm prosthetics that he can swap out for different uses
including a normal arm
candid wyvern
what's the weird lava portal for
besides uh
shooting molten metal at people, apparently
Torbjorn gets weirder the longer you think about it
peak escarp
gameplay =/= lore
regal coyote
@candid wyvern wait we caan shoot our hand out at people now? cool
noble raven
I just figured it helped with smithing
candid wyvern
obviously not that part
maybe some day
Yeah but Torb should really be more of an engineer than a smith
I'm not really in the industry, though
I'm not sure how commonplace forges are when producing military grade weapons and armour
and payloads that don't work
candid wyvern
Torbjorn is such a good Engineer that he can't even make an object that moves from point A to point B
why wasn't he fired
peak escarp
sometimes the character comes first, sometimes the mechanics come first and they figure out which character would work for that
dire timber
... you know, I'm starting to think that perhaps Casino already lost his legs
peak escarp
why?
candid wyvern
pedal to the metal
or not
it would be a suitably tragic backstory for it to be a good guess
peak escarp
but there's no evidence of that
dire timber
so, which is why he keeps them out in the open - even if they're crushed, it makes little different to him
peak escarp
I don't think the pilots got to design their mechs
peak escarp
probably just DVa
candid wyvern
repair wise, at least
peak escarp
she is an overachiever
candid wyvern
tryhard*
noble raven
They have mechanics, like dae hyun.
peak escarp
she has a mechanic, but does the work anyway
@candid wyvern don't correct me
she is an overachiever
peak escarp
what rules?
candid wyvern
the rules
dire timber
there is one important rule here
and that's
shitposting will result in loss of access
it's a very important rule
iron plume
and you're toeing the line hard
iron plume
that's not what that means
peak escarp
speculation is allowed, provided you have good reason for your speculation
provide a reason for your theory, and we will happily discuss it
dire timber
it should have some basis in lore
candid wyvern
Zarya is a big fan of industrial metal
dire timber
like, what I said about Casino's legs, was based on the design on his mech
where his legs are exposed
which could mean he's not too worried about them
candid wyvern
could be overlord
dire timber
?
regal coyote
no overlord have legs
dire timber
what?
candid wyvern
Legs out all day no fear
regal coyote
we see overlord pilot standing out of damaged mech
iron plume
we have the designs connected to their names
candid wyvern
disabled people can stand sometimes
iron plume
Overlord doesn't have his legs sticking out
candid wyvern
depends on the level of damage
regal coyote
different
tech of overwatch should allow cybernetic bodyparts so they should be able to watch
i mean look at genji
candid wyvern
Is every hero right handed
dire timber
not necessarily
iron plume
we don't know strictly
there's reason to suspect Moira and Sombra as lefties
but anyone could be really
candid wyvern
i mean moira uses both
so that's down to like
"which hand did she pick a wine glass up with in this one specific comic"
or whatever
peak escarp
people have suspected that Sombra is a lefty because she hacks with her left and her gun (in her non dominant hand) wobbles a lot
iron plume
moira's primary weapon is left hand
and she experimented on her right
which suggests it's less important
candid wyvern
not like she needs to aim though
peak escarp
ambidextrous
candid wyvern
Ambidexterity
dire timber
yes, that
candid wyvern
Would Moira's primary weapon even have an effect on Reaper
since it's basically a succ ray of cell decay
candid wyvern
doesn't he constantly degrade and regenerate anyway
noble raven
I would say outpace it
candid wyvern
would it effect him in wraith form 
frosty shell
I wonder if you can trap Reaper in smoke form with a vacuum
candid wyvern
wraith form is the name though
unless he actually uses MAGIC KITE FORM in the lore
and smoke is something seperate
dire timber
actually, it's more that teleport and wraith are gameplay abilities that represent one and the same lore ability
which is turning into smoke and moving elsewhere
frosty shell
Of course, there's the question of how Reaper's brain can function in smoke form
But that's like the Shimada dragons
We'll probably never know
dire timber
the particles are still there
and they can still communicate in some way
so, I guess it kinda works
candid wyvern
why can only LE SHIMADAS control them then
candid wyvern
implying OW wouldn't pilfer that tech from Genji's fresh corpse
peak escarp
family secret, aka they hold the patent and don't want to share
good thing Genji wasn't dead
candid wyvern
no just crippled
iron plume
patents run out fyi
candid wyvern
and bleeding out
iron plume
i think they just don't tell anyone
dire timber
well, they still didn't do it, so...
candid wyvern
not in dystopian hypercapitalist future @iron plume
candid wyvern
patent laws keep changing every time Mickey Mouse is about to stop being a Disney exclusive
wew
iron plume
still not how that works
peak escarp
it's probably a combination of family secret knowledge and proprietary technology that only the Shimada clan has access to
noble raven
Their own form of 'hard light'?
noble raven
Semi hard light let's go
limpid agate
Dragons behave similarly to Symmetras orbs in her comic
It's likely their the same technology
regal coyote
it is just another phantasy science
liek how rein's shield is hardlight tech
it si not exclusive to vishkar
just that vishkar does it really well
dire timber
Vishkar specializes in hard-light solidification
hard-light turning into firm, persistent objects
regal coyote
as said they do it really well
dire timber
mhmn
candid wyvern
wouldnt surprise me
dire timber
she has at least to different arm models
candid wyvern
if they're capable of it, then it is
dire timber
one, that looks like a regular arm
candid wyvern
since she's a walking vishkar bot
dire timber
another, more mechanical, equipped with a hard-light emitter
dire timber
I mean, in a way, that's what sentries and teleporters are
regal coyote
see comic
dire timber
she does canonically have such tech
cunning ledge
I like to think of it as hard light being the only way to make the intricate machinery required for a functional teleported
torpid parrot
question: do you think ana faked her death so pharah would be discouraged from overwatch knowing what happened to her mother
torpid parrot
oh ok
candid wyvern
she did it because she wanted a beer
cunning ledge
True
Well at least the slipstream was supposed to
But they ended up with the arguably more impressive time travel
valid shell
@eternal badge Pharaoh?
regal coyote
i dont think vishkar have many tech others do not ahve
it is just that thye do it much better
like more stable, smaler etc
so no tey are not something that is decades faster than others, but they do seem to do it better
pearl blade
Ok I know that Hammond has links to Winston through Horizon and Roadhog and Junkrat through Junkertown but is there any other interactions he's had in lore?
cold quail
valid shell
@worthy rose ?
worthy rose
Lmao Idk anymore @valid shell I just don’t know where they can take the lore at this point
Hey I’m kind of new to the lore so can someone explain what’s the connection between Mira and Marcy
regal coyote
mira? i think she is still a nobody right now, only a name drop
with like one illustration and a couple screenies
worthy rose
What
cedar moon
peak escarp
Moira used Mercy's published research in her own experiements
it's uncertain whether the two ever actually met
noble raven
Was moira part of blackwatch?
peak escarp
yes
regal coyote
yes
dire timber
@worthy rose they knew about eachother, and about eachother's work
and Moira used a lot of Mercy's work as basis for hers
much to Mercy's dismay
regal coyote
some of each other's work
since moira hides her complete work
part of the reason how her stuff is not repeatable, and other parts, she did alternative research with interesting personalities like talon
dire timber
she sure hides the extent of her experimentation, but she does happily publish a fair share of the discoveries she makes
regal coyote
also we do not know if all research from mercy is publishable
some during her ow days might be top secret
regal coyote
but mercy being mercy, surely she would have published anything pre and most ow
dire timber
I do think there's a fair share of regulations on how biotic technology can be used
regal coyote
might be some
dire timber
which is, it shouldn't be used for anything that doesn't involve medical aid
regal coyote
but some might jsut be agreement
and yet others ... well we know it is weaponized even by ow
regal coyote
well, ana's rifle
dire timber
unless you count Moira
regal coyote
i ignore moira for now.
dire timber
but Ana's rifle - that was still meant for healing
regal coyote
cause even if there is regulation moira would not follow
i think ana's rifle does have attack/damage capacity
dire timber
the rifle was still meant to be used for healing - it was Ana, not Overwatch, that turned it into a weapon
regal coyote
if so why would mercy have complained