I know I just don’t want people to get a fake feeling they are right
#lore-discussion
errant elm
silk badger
errant elm
Then just don’t answer
peak escarp
Feel about what?
plucky pine
Hi guysss
dire timber
hello
flat vessel
Hello
limpid agate
Anyone think is is strange for FIVE people playing fighters of the storm?
@regal coyote No.
Theres no wires
So you cant see how many are plugged in
And how many are just holding onto their sticks watching
That scene is not unlike my locals when theres only one setup.
dire timber
they're probably taking turns
white cobalt
They’re part of the Korean army, but their direct commanding officer is Captain Myung (she doesn’t go out on missions, she manages them from the base). Myung is the voice you hear over the intercom on the MEKA Base point of the Busan map.
more name droppin?
eternal temple
does any character actually say mercy instead of angela
cunning ledge
mercy herself says things like "mercy is here!"
eternal temple
other than mercy I mean
cunning ledge
not that I can think of
eternal temple
Is mercy that kid who tried to get everybody to call them by a cool nickname but failed
cunning ledge
it was probably her codename during the golden age of overwatch
but we don't really see much of that
and most of her interactions are involve calling her by her real name
lean silo
her interactions are mostly with overwatch members from pre-fall
and people like Brigitte who she is very close with
errant elm
Mercy is hot
lean silo
brig wasn't part of original OW, but Rein, Torb and Mercy spent a lot of time together outside Overwatch operations
as far as I'm aware anyway
limpid agate
Winston never says her name
cunning ledge
for some reason I had a vague memory of him saying it when being healed
not sure why
limpid agate
In Uprising:
Jack called her Angela
Tracer called her Dr. Ziegler
Torbjorn and Reinhardt called her Mercy
peak escarp
In interactions, Genji and Brigitte call her Angela
Genji says both Angela and Dr. Ziegler
lean silo
I think he says doctor when he's rezzed
limpid agate
aye
valid shell
@lone jay Stop.
lone jay
Alright lol
hasty surge
D.va and D.mon had a history?
They played in the same esports team
Explains why their ign starts with D. I guess
peak escarp
now I want to know more about their esports team
hasty surge
Hehe mee too!
Jewvia can you explain why you placed casino in tier shooting star?
Why specifically casino and not any of the rest if the mekas
limpid agate
Because 1 face fits in the box better than all of them
And Casino looks more distinctive than the others
It's meant to be all 4
@hasty surge
regal coyote
I would say overlord looks more distinct, but too distinct to be playable, legless hovering thing and what not
Casino also have similar poster around. or protoposter.
lso they mention F1 racer deliberately, and a veritech mech in game is cool af
D.Mon is cool alo, but mostly due to fans liking it.
That said, I strongly think for the sake of fun and variety and lore that Blizz would make Echo Fightsers
A bunch of echo fighters would be great fore lore and world expansion, with little to no effecct on gameplay
I mean, at worst you need to remember the looks of another echo, but they function the same with same hitbox and stats etc
flat vessel
Hello
worthy rose
Maybe dva can get the other mechs as skins
But obviously it will still be dva as the pilot
regal coyote
IF they introduce Echo Fighter types then it is probably for a couple
hasty surge
@limpid agate arh I see I would suggest putting the meka logo instead? Would it be better?
Then "4 other meka" as the description
Ultimately, it's your list
And if were to discuss which meka pilot (out of the 4) is the most likely. I would say D.mon
Because of her history with D.va
Her lore is currently tied closest to D.va
regal coyote
wat history?
hasty surge
Then followed by Casino who was an F1 racer
Do we know any lore from the other 2?
But of couse I would place Daehyun over any of the meka pilots
@regal coyote D.va and D.mon were from the same esports team
I haven't seen Chu's comment but I heard they had some history
regal coyote
please provide screenie for that. I heard it as a theory only.
As for Chu so far I only see comments about the mechanic, and him calling pink meka Tokki
limpid agate
Its not fake news, it was a tweet
Gamepedia is a sourced wiki, it has a link to the tweet
native kayak
Who??
limpid agate
One of the MEKA pilots is an f1 racer
native kayak
Oh wow! That’s awesome
limpid agate
Probably Casino, based on his mech and name, but its speculation
He has 3 main hints towards Monaco
His mech looks like a race car
His mech has a french name (Specifically a Monaco title of royalty)
His other name is Casino
The Monaco Grand Prix is a very famous race.
hollow python
native kayak
apparently his mech’s name is the little mermaid? Lmao
limpid agate
Its the Serene Princess
valid shell
@limpid agate You think Casino is somehow connected to Maximilien?
valid shell
It's a little too suspicious.
valid shell
See, this is where we deviate. Cx
limpid agate
IN just name and appearance
valid shell
You're of the opinion that if we get Hammond, Queen's close behind. And if we get Max, Casino's next.
I feel that getting the first invalidates the second.
dire timber
@valid shell I'm not sure about suspicious, but it could be that Casino and Maximilien are acquainted
valid shell
I have no idea how that could work, but it intrigues me.
limpid agate
Blizzard likes their pairs of too related characters
Orisa to Doomfist, and Doomfist to Moira, for instance
dire timber
I think it could be like Symmetra and Sanjay
limpid agate
Even after the short, I still think Queen is 29
dire timber
Casino could be well-acquainted with Max, but also oblivious to Max being a member of Talon
valid shell
It would be very anime for there to be a mole in the team of beautiful young mech pilots.
limpid agate
Hmmm
native kayak
Who’s maxmillien?
valid shell
@native kayak Omnic Talon councilman from Masquerade and Retribution.
native kayak
Oh okee
valid shell
Talon wants to perpetuate conflict between humans and Omnics, right? Maybe they've planted Casino inside MEKA to leak info to the Kishin or subtly sabotage his team to ensure they don't completely succeed.
dire timber
@valid shell I picture Casino as a mole, but not really a traitor
as in
he serves as an informant for Maximilien
but doesn't know that he's giving info to Talon
valid shell
Pick a villain from this lineup.
Also, Jesus Christ Casino why the fuck are your feet exposed.
Did you design that yourself.
limpid agate
The legs hanging out are very silly. The lengths one goes to, to make their mech feel like a car
limpid agate
Tokki
valid shell
Any significance?
limpid agate
Korean for Rabbit
valid shell
Coulda seen that coming.
hasty surge
@limpid agate do we have anything in current actual confirmed lore related to Monaco? Was it max's casino?
(I just checked the comics sorry the ping was unnecessary)
and ya i would say the pic is better ^^
Also I would expect a rift between D.mon and D.va
valid shell
Yes, that's why we've been discussing Maximilien.
And a Talon connection to Jae-Eun/Casino.
hasty surge
valid shell
So a genderswap of Jack and Gabe?
hasty surge
There are many ways to interpret the word "history" between 2 characters. Having a rift is one of them.
And it's highly that there's jealousy among the other meka pilots since D.va is the one getting all the limelight
@valid shell Gabe didn't want to be commander btw
valid shell
And we have nothing to suggest D.Mon wanted to either.
All we have on her is a name and face.
Right now there's nothing insinuating that there's a 'rift between D.mon and D.va, or that there's any jealousy between the pilots.
valid shell
"I know this is off-topic but do you think overlord could be the next hero? His meka looks amazing and you could fit in some extra lore."
And a reminded as to why I'm spoiled by you guys.
I would have an aneurism if this place was full of conventional fans.
hasty surge
I did say it depends on how you interpret "History" and and I also did say it was speculation.
lore is indeed boring without any speculations, it would be just yes no facts would it?
also do you mean aneurysm instead of aneurism
peak escarp
I was considering writing up a summary of the month's lore releases last month, but we didn't really get anything
just a few tidbits about Hammond
but this month we got plenty, so it might be worth writing up
valid shell
@hasty surge No, I obviously meant aneurism.
Calling out spelling mistakes as a cheap "gotcha" is a little juvenile.
hasty surge
as juvenile as asking "Who's Briggite?"
I have no issues with someone calling out spelling mistakes. Seeing misspell words around is indeed kinda irritating. But if you are someone who calls out the mistakes of others, but if the reverse happens and you have an issue. I think you need some reconsideration.
and somehow or rather I feel you have something against me. If not the reply would have been "Yes that was what I meant" or something similar, instead of sarcasm and insult wouldn't it? we can take this to dms lol
valid shell
lol
worthy rose
moving swiftly forwards
regal coyote
Captain Myung sounds like a sort of Nick Fury
I dont think mechanic bois
is going to get that
i mean he is better as a background character than a player
peak escarp
yeah, she's pretty much like that
peak escarp
you hear her voice on the map
regal coyote
also mechnanic boi ... dont think we need another support mechanic into a player.
I KNOW I KNOW it mkes sense for somone to pilot a new Black meka and save te day
hasty surge
how about a mobile mechnanic boi?
regal coyote
bust that would be down the line
hasty surge
I don't know but I see similarities between Captain Myung and Junkerqueen
valid shell
Like?
peak escarp
they're both a voice on a map
hasty surge
and an leader of an organisation
peak escarp
that's still similarities
hasty surge
the only exception is that Junkerqueen is likely to become a hero, as of now Captain Myung is unlikely
dire timber
isn't Myung basically on the same level as the Horizon announcer?
a faint voice in the background?
the Queen's presence is a bit more clear than that
peak escarp
Myung is kinda in between
the announcer on Horizon doesn't have a name, and is likely just an automated announcement
hasty surge
in fact the queen is the only announcer that has a clearer presence
valid shell
Well, yeah.
dire timber
I think there's an announcer of some sort at Volskaya, too
peak escarp
she's just the unit commander for DVa's MEKA team
valid shell
We don't have a whole lot of backstory for queenie either.
peak escarp
we know she was a former mech champion
and used her status as champion to gain followers and enough popularity to be supported when she took over Junkertown
that's more than we have for Myung
hasty surge
What other maps do we have announcers?
I feel that if Junkerqueen becomes a hero, it pushes Myung's likelyhood as becoming hero. However, currently Myung reduces Junkerqueen's chances at become a hero. It makes junkerqueen seem like another announcer with slightly more backstory.
tawny patio
lean silo
she's got a lot of existing references and lore
bit like brig had appeared before
Also, and this is a stretch - Orisa -> Doom were related, I can see Hammond -> Queen being the next sequential release but i'm just silly
regal coyote
myog is less likely to be a hero on the grounds that she does not really pilot meka.
and as far as the unit is concerned meka is the primary thing they use in korea
It is like in a voltron series you wont have major hero that walks around with no pimped out rides
valid shell
Blizzard won't have another hero with "two lives" like D.Va.
So either they die in their MEKA or they're not playable.
worthy rose
it's very buggy
valid shell
They've explicitly said that balancing D.Va's two forms is a "low point" for them.
They're not doing a one more once.
worthy rose
like those highlights with dva being in the skybox when her mech gets destroyed
dire timber
valid shell
Who are you quoting?
dire timber
why not?
peak escarp
so just change the animation to make him look like he hovers
valid shell
At that point they might as well just make a completely unique frame.
Actually.
Sorted.
He'd be air support.
Akin to Fio.
Because otherwise, why would a VTOL aircraft skim 3ft above the ground.
dire timber
why not
in lore, mechs can fly without a limit
in gameplay, they can't
for gameplay reasons
it'd be just like Zen
cedar moon
Could Symmetra join Overwatch
dire timber
right now, she's faithful to Vishkar's cause
the only thing that could change that, is if she finds out that Sanjay's with Talon
regal coyote
well instead of fly they can have a mech with a fast run racer mode where there is greatly increased speed but no jump
sort of like mounting on a horse in things like hots or... cough... that-other-game
frozen haven
I've always had a question about Tracer's age
does she age like normal or at a different rate?
frosty shell
She ages normally
dire timber
yep
peak escarp
What is it that makes people ask that question?
Does she not look her age? Do people think she's as old as Jack?
People who ask that about Mercy usually think she's in her 50s
dire timber
she's only 37, so...
worthy rose
40
dire timber
nope, not yet
worthy rose
Lol
worthy rose
Who’s the oldest character
dire timber
Reinhardt
peak escarp
Her in game model is a bit rounder, but her concept art looks right
worthy rose
I’m gonna take a guess and say he’s 100
dire timber
no he's not
peak escarp
He's 61
worthy rose
Close enough
dire timber
I think Gabriel is 58, and Jack is 57?
peak escarp
Buncha old farts
dire timber
the original strike team are the oldest characters in the game
and the only characters in the game who actually fought in the Omnic Crisis
that, and maybe Bastion
cinder spear
I want new lore content
so badly
oh, I hope symmetra joins Overwatch. But only the new Overwatch, if you know what I'm saying
worthy rose
😉
valid shell
@cinder spear As opposed to going back in time and joining the old OW?
cinder spear
lol
cinder spear
Well the new Overwatch will be commanded by Winston, if I'm not wrong
instead of Ana and Morrison
dire timber
@cinder spear stay tuned for November, we'll get a new hero then
iron plume
it's also when we get the other yearly short
cedar moon
New hero November???
runic scroll
i feel like even if winston gathers everyone, it'll end up being more of a democratic organization than the old OW
not like winston going "okay gang go do this"
but more like get everyone in a council and discuss their moves
cedar moon
Isn’t Winston the new member of overwatch
runic scroll
he's old OW
iron plume
He was in the old one
iron plume
Yes
runic scroll
that's the thing
i feel like he's the "leader" in that he sent out the recall
but i feel like it'll be a pretty lateral group
cedar moon
Plus Morrison is “dead”
runic scroll
i just don't see winston being at the top and giving commands and stuff
runic scroll
yeah i don't think ana and 76 will go back
they'll just do their own thing probably
sometimes butt heads with new OW
but help each other out more often
cedar moon
I would’ve thought D.va would join Overwatch since she’s in the Korean Army
She’s sorta like Zarya
iron plume
By her position in the universe, she is
runic scroll
idk if dva would even have seen the recall signal though
marsh crest
Hey guys I was busy
iron plume
A soldier on guard of her country against the omnics, after being famous for something else before
runic scroll
isn't it mostly, if not all, OW agents who saw that?
runic scroll
yeah
marsh crest
....,..bye now
iron plume
it's not out of the question that they will reach out to her later though
if we ever see the "later" that is
cedar moon
Bye
limpid agate
On the topic of Winston being leader
There the soldier interaction
"Think you can do my job" "Someone has to"
Which implies Winston is the defacto leader
mortal storm
that profile pic says a different story
regal coyote
The character age is assum time did not progress after the last "current time" comic
Shooting Star is a bit after the rest of the thing though and we are not sure how long ia passed. But we know some vagilinte activities are happening here and there
Not EVERYONE has to be black or white.
Some can be not-ow but still assisting.
Some Can be assisting evil acts without being talon.
and yet some can be quite neutral, ending a hand here or there depending on the price.
So yeah D.Va probably stay in korea, but there is room for colab
one example would be after a big fight where there is breathing room, D.Va can be sent around doing investigative work near asia to find out mroe on sauces and clues on that attacking entity, which would let her meet more people.
(no they should be smarter to have more people ready for action this time)
Though i dont think our friendzone mechanic will be playable.
peak escarp
did I ever share my findings about the date in Shooting Star on this channel?
I don't want to repeat myself if I did
regal coyote
Wait is there exact date now?
Last I heard I only get that it is after some returned (overwatch) activities all over the place
that would mean it is post-recall
peak escarp
the news broadcast at the end has Thursday 19 in the corner
and DVa is 19, so she's her "current" age
regal coyote
but thing is, even if they are not officially recalled yet people like rein are doing vigilante work anyways, so did McCree.
peak escarp
so logic dictates this is the same year as Recall (which I and many other people assume is 2076)
there are only 2 Thursday the 19ths in 2076 - one in March and one in November
regal coyote
November then
peak escarp
based on the weather, it could be either
regal coyote
March may still be a bit wintery
peak escarp
I also compared the sunrise times for March and November to the light level when the camera shows the outside of the base, and it's about the same at both dates
the sun rises before 7:23 in both March and November
at first I was certain of the March date because it has a full moon and DVa's fight happens under a full moon, but then I realized that the news broadcast most likely isn't the following morning
regal coyote
Supposedly the last omnic attack/defeat happens week ro so ago, and from the recovery crew there is no snow and what not, more likely in nov
it can stillbe march, with a warm winter though
peak escarp
after a near-death experience, they'd keep her in hospital for a while
regal coyote
so the event of the combat happens before that, in either oct or feb.
peak escarp
apparently it doesn't snow much in Busan
it is coastal, which means a lower elevation and less snow
peak escarp
the interesting part is that my calculations for my timeline places Recall in March as well
regal coyote
and some snow in those area
limpid agate
All I can find is this picture of Dorado
peak escarp
lol
regal coyote
so if that is the case new-ow activated and is in a bunch of activity right after recall?
limpid agate
No snow, not even on the mountain
peak escarp
there is one thing that could hint at it being later in the year
some people pointed out that in some foreign language dubs the news broadcast can still be heard after Daehyun starts talking
and it mentions sightings of former Overwatch members being active
regal coyote
yes i heard that one and there was someone who isolated the clip
also on busan, there is a ski resord, but higher up the mountains it seems
peak escarp
a similar thing happened with Recall - the newscaster can be heard mentioning Mondatta's rally "later tonight"
regal coyote
so at the LEAST 2076 is confirmed
peak escarp
at least the same year as Recall
2076 is a placeholder date, technically
it's assumed that the age listed in the hero bios is the age they are at Recall (except for Orisa, who was created after Recall)
limpid agate
Orisa being built and Searching are still, likely, the most recent events
peak escarp
yes
I've spent more than a reasonable amount of time looking for context clues that would tell me when everything happens in relation to everything else
regal coyote
Also the mroe i reread the hero bios the more "unreliable" it seems
seems like msot bio is at least written in an in-universe perspective
that is on top of tetcon
the bio still list the attacks pattern on busan as "every fre years"
while in shooting stars it has been upgraded already to "every few months" ignoring the special incident in the cinematic with d.va
I was about to say, that searching would be one of the newest
peak escarp
the bios have not been updated since pre-beta
MChu said at one point that he'd like to go back and revise them, but they never did
limpid agate
Most hero bios are outdated.
Mei's saw retcon last year
And she came out alongside DVa
peak escarp
they are mostly correct, but the more time passes the more the exact details are becoming known
Mei wasn't found frozen, she woke up alone and walked to the nearest station
etc.
regal coyote
well
peak escarp
I do consider them canon until something newer comes along and contradicts it, but they're very easy to let go of once new info comes out
regal coyote
if we treat it as in-universe publications then inaccuracies would make sense though
would say the same for the jack vs gabe conflict
especially Chu already basically said "No, gabe did not start shit cause of jealousy"
peak escarp
definitely could be blamed on the unreliable narrator angle
regal coyote
^
this
makes mroe sense
and frankly i prefer that way, it adds more immersion
so yeah I do enjoy articles published as Atlas News
peak escarp
I wish we could get Atlas articles more regularly
last one we got was for Retribution (and it was an archive article)
peak escarp
regal coyote
I am sure an Atlas Article per month or two is not THAT expensive.
sure you need an hour or two to write, and maybe an hour for a picture, but that is it
peak escarp
they could easily give us one text article a month and I'd be happy with that
(side note: I love how the people in the comments are roleplaying like they're in-universe responding to the news)
regal coyote
I did that too :3
Best way to respond.
Was about to put comments on how The illuminati/EvilEye is behind Overwatch
we should totally try to contact chu and ask for that
it takes minimal effort on the dev team for this, since most story/world background is done already
We dont even need big concrete things to be posted, simple things like"d.va joining a charity esports convention" or "mei found a new breed of snow monkeys"
thsoe would make us happy enough. Something simple yet world-building without fuckin on the main storyline
peak escarp
yeah
I know people would complain that this sort of lore doesn't add anything
but I love worldbuilding lore
regal coyote
i think it is the opposite
small flavor lore builds a better world than big events
since small ones are basically how many in-universe people see the world
how they live and breathe
peak escarp
people complained that Shooting Star didn't add anything
it added tons of worldbuilding info about MEKA
when people say they want lore, what they really mean is they want the story to progress
regal coyote
well the whole map+shooting star basically give us korea i a way
before that we have basically ZERO on korea, and bare minimal on D.Va
now you get her background flushed out, and her complete personality
hollow pier
@regal coyote
regal coyote
yes?
regal coyote
Does Blizzard owns many parts of Korea?
Serious question, on the in-universe world
Seeing there are so many signs of Blizz references everywhere, both in busan map and in shooting star
I can for sure say there are NO ALIENS on earth for now in-universe, but there is at least a Protoss Hotel.
Also is "Shooting Star" the MEck Group Team Name for the Meka?
It was on screen for sure
valid shell
It's the TV program.
They wouldn't say "Today we set our sights on Busan" if it was a dedicated element of MEKA.
frosty shell
Is it possible Shooting Star takes place in 2077?
That would force it to be August 19th
However, November 2076 seems to make more sense
native kayak
Yay new hero in november!!
I’m new to the game, who was the most recent before hammond?
dire timber
Brigitte
wide gale
new hero's confirmed?
native kayak
No lol but someone said based on the months heroes have gotten released in the past the new one should be in november
And oh ok th
Ty
regal coyote
SquireGirl
regal coyote
People guessing Casino being maybe playabe in future, that and FriendzoneBoy
peak escarp
he has a name
regal coyote
Hate to say that but if name is quite foreign to most countries/people, it would not be a good name.
Something simple should be used, like a codenam.
Things like Hana is easy and nice to remmber.
This is especially true if the hero name is not a codename, causeing difficulty in soem countries. (Yes I am aware some heroes have some unrelated names used in some languages, not even a phonic at times, just to make it easier)
valid shell
Considering you forgot it's Dae-Hyun with a dash, I guess it is pretty forgettable.
regal coyote
To be fair the dash is not that important
DaeHyn or without works just as good
It is just one of the ways to seperate the two blocks of korean
but yeah it is not easy to remember, and quite generic of a name really
It is like if we actually get a character that is just called Sam.
that would be quite shitty.
I can accept things like Tokki as a nam, though it is foreign, it is easy to spell and remember
worthy rose
well I guess I will call him collada-hyun (dad joke)
limpid agate
@native kayak That was me
We get a hero every March, July, and November.
The March/July heroes are sometimes revealed in Feb/June before being released in July
The November hero is revealed at Blizzcon.
peak escarp
The November hero is the only one who isn't teased/revealed the month before
They get announced at Blizzcon and go live before the end of the month
limpid agate
They get teased
Just not revealed
Moira is the only post launch hero to not receive a teaser
And the only hero overall other than Genji.
Even Sombra with the ARG got Twitter teasers
peak escarp
You know what I mean - the 2-3 Twitter teasers right before they get announced
Sombra was a bit of a special case though
limpid agate
@lofty wharf #176236425384034304
frosty shell
I bet they released Moira without any teasers to purposefully contrast with Doomfist
Who was the most hyped-up hero yet
peak escarp
I like when heroes get teased with an article or something
Wrecking Ball's teasers were boring
limpid agate
Doomfist only had the one tweet
And it was a tweet to an article
Contrast to Brigitte or Soldier 76 who got 4 tweets
regal coyote
not fair though
even chu/jeff said orisa is part of the doomfist hype
so technically doomfish got lots of hype, comparable to sombra
dusk needle
❤
potent vapor
Blizzard reapproached teasing the crap out of their characters after what happened with Sombra lol
or maybe the writers were preoccupied with Diablo 4 or something hah
limpid agate
Not really, no
Even if we go outside Twitter teasers
Orisa had 3, and then had PTR buildup with the museum
Doomfist's biggest teaser was Orisa.
potent vapor
I think Hammond's teaser on twitter was fine and I don't think an article would work considering how isolated Junktown is.
limpid agate
Brigitte has 4 tweets, and a presence in Rein's short
Hammond had 3 non-lore teasers leading up to his reveal (But you were able to predict who it was by the background)
potent vapor
For Hammond, I do think a teaser in Junktown would work since they did artwork for a poster and everything.
limpid agate
Plus a room in the HLC rework
It was just Moira who got... A cameo in Masquerade and a voiceline from Reaper
potent vapor
For Brigitte, she just needed a teaser in that German map.
limpid agate
Brig was fine
potent vapor
Maybe a shield and a mace lying around.
limpid agate
Theres no reason for her to have a teaser in Eichenwalde
She has nothing to do with it and no reason to be there.
Her shield/mace were made after the short, as far as we know
potent vapor
Dunno. I do like teasers of heroes by adding stuff to maps. It's for the "game-only" crowd who don't read articles or follow twitter.
limpid agate
Its not really clear
Most heroes do have them in game
Brig was in sprays
And a voiceline thats now gone
potent vapor
maybe Emily is next as a hero lol
limpid agate
Every post launch hero has had a presence in game before their release.
Even Orisa, even though her's was after her teasers began
Thats the only real exception
Emily has no reason to be the next hero
Junkerqueen is who I view to be most likely, with a Meka pilot as another possibility.
I don't think Dae-Hyun has any real chance, but I put him on there anyways.
hasty surge
Jewvia you mean real chance as a hero or real chance for hero 29?
limpid agate
He has no real chance at all.
But this list is specifically for 29
Which is why he's there
He has no chance for 29 either, but I put him on for completion sake
Should probably just pull him off though
limpid agate
Yes
Hamid is an archeologist in charge of the Petra expedition.
He has ties to Oasis
hasty surge
Ok got it
limpid agate
As well as the Ilios and Thailand digs
valid shell
@hasty surge What do you mean random?
hasty surge
I reason for the given name, or logic, idea
Like joker for Moria
Was fio mentioned somewhere?
valid shell
I mean, I doubt the name was premeditated before Chu gave the tweet.
But Fio is now her official name.
hasty surge
So chu was the one that "gave" her name?
hasty surge
Rights
limpid agate
@hasty surge Hamid has no evidence for 29
Honourable Mentions are
The top 9 characters who have some semblance of a chance, but not for hero 29
All 9 names in there are real, official names
tranquil sun
isn't Athena already in the game?
worthy rose
As much as i really want them to add another meka hero. How are they gonna differentiate them dva? Arent the mechs kinda the same just with different designs?
limpid agate
Nah, they have different weapons
Casino has an extra engine on his. Cant tell much else.
DMon has a shield, no visible guns or gunfire from her mech.
King has a could rifle looking guns, but more importantly is he has lots of missiles. His mech is named after a Korean artillery
Overlord has a minigun and drones. Also noteable is, his mech is a VTOL rather than a walker like the rest.
Singijeon is King's mech
regal coyote
Casino have guns on hands, also from the parking position it seem to be in a "racer mode" rather than standing like other mech.
hasty surge
I also realised Jewvia replaced Leonora with liao?
errant elm
I’d love to see Maximillien since I see him as a hero who’d bring smth new in the game
Cough Summoning Cough
cunning ledge
Queen and Hamid pls
worthy rose
Why is everyone interested in hamid? Have we even seen them before?
dire timber
messages on Petra's electronic equipment
he's an Oasis archeologist, in contact with the teams working in Ayutthaya and Illios
dire timber
check the comics and blog posts too
worthy rose
id love to see more of the backstory of genji and hanzo
dire timber
there's a lot in their biographies on the site
in their youth Hanzo was dutiful and set on one day leading the clan, while Genji was a playboy, with little interest in the family business
(their Young Hanzo and Young Genji skins are canon for that period)
worthy rose
young genji was one of the first skins i got
dire timber
after the death of their father, Sojiro Shimada, Hanzo was set to succeed him
the clan elders pressured Hanzo to confront his brother about his reckless lifestyle
they fought, and Hanzo inflicted grievous injuries upon Genji, leaving him for dead
worthy rose
and then zenyatta found him right?
dire timber
not Zenyatta
candid wyvern
overwatch
dire timber
Overwatch had set up surveillance over the Shimada castle
candid wyvern
Genji only spent time with Zenyatta after OW disbanded
dire timber
Overwatch had extracted him and delivered him to their medics
worthy rose
i love bastions video
dire timber
and among them, was Angela Ziegler
though saved from death, Genji was scarred all over, lost both of his legs, and his arm
unwilling to live the rest of his days as a cripple, he accepted Blackwatch's offer to recruit him
he was turned into a cyborg by their roboticists
worthy rose
is that brigette with rein in his animated short
dire timber
the events had deeply shaken him, caused him to become driven by an intense rage
as you can see in Retribution
he was tasked with dismantling the Shimada clan, and once he succeeded, Overwatch provided him with a completed armor
once his task was done, he left to travel around the world
and eventually he met Zenyatta, who took him in as his student
so, there you have it, Genji's backstory
ah, I forgot - after he "killed" Genji, Hanzo had abandoned the clan
and also started wandering aimlessly
and yeah, @worthy rose, that's Brigitte in the short
worthy rose
and the orisa bots were introduced in that one too right?
dire timber
which one?
worthy rose
reins
dire timber
that's the first chronological appearance
worthy rose
they looked like first generation orisas
dire timber
but we've seen them before in other content
dire timber
hm, I guess
candid wyvern
but what happened to hanjo
dire timber
@candid wyvern well, after he "killed" his, brother, he was overwhelmed with guilt, and wanted nothing to do with the clan anymore
and like I said, he began wandering aimlessly, with folks occasionally hiring assassins to kill him
worthy rose
i liked the dva short
candid wyvern
It adds some integrity to a character
dire timber
we've seen who she is as a person, we've seen more of MEKA
candid wyvern
which wouldn't be necessary if D.va wasn't written like a garbage stereotype in the first place
and we learnt almost nothing about MEKA
a few names
dire timber
we've seen the base, we've seen the squad
their names, their mechs, their faces
we've seen Busan
candid wyvern
their mechs are barely in the short
they're in the map
busan, in the map
base, in the map
names and faces for characters that are very unlikely to matter
and no idea what they are actually like
dire timber
whiner
people doing nothing but disparaging Blizzard whenever they do big lore drops like this one is a fine way to make them stop taking the effort to develop such lore drops to begin with
candid wyvern
its not a big lore drop
4 names and faces for characters that may or may not ever be relevant
HUUUUUUGE LOOORE DUUUDE
if they were relevant, have them actually do something in the short, tbh
dire timber
dude
this was an enormous lore drop on D.va
they did dedicate a lot of effort to making this happen
candid wyvern
okay what lore
she fights omnics
already known
thats all that happens in the short
candid wyvern
they could have made a short about events we were not already aware of
dire timber
ah, right, you don't give a crap about worldbuilding
candid wyvern
all it does it make d.va a slightly less obnoxious character since it turns out she's not the huge asshole she is in-game
dire timber
you just want them to drop a Tracer or a Winston in there somewhere
candid wyvern
I care about worldbuilding and this short did nothing to build a world
it just animated something we already knew all about
gg ezclap
very creative
dire timber
and now, that changed
candid wyvern
like i said, names and faces for characters that may or may not ever be relevant
no details about what they do
or who they are
dire timber
I swear cynical assholes like yourself are a poison
candid wyvern
just incredibly unimportant surface details
sorry that I expect something of substance
dire timber
actively discouraging content creators from creating any content
dire timber
cause then it "hurr, I don't care about the designs you spend 20 hours on "
candid wyvern
i dont care if you spent 20 hours making me a chair
if it breaks as soon as i sit on it
make a better chair
someone spent ages designing these meka pilots
and then Blizzard did absolutely nothing with them
amaaaaazing
dire timber
no, MEKA designs are great, the way the short expands on D.va, Busan, and MEKA is great, and you're just angry it didn't go down like one of them fanfics
candid wyvern
i dont read fanfics because i don't have the auts
dire timber
imagine if Hero were released today
candid wyvern
i dont like hero either
dire timber
"whaaa, what is Soldier doing in Dorado, why was there no Reaper, there's nooothing"
ok, fair enough
I'm just tired of all the stupid fucking whining
the short was great and it expanded on D.vas's background
dire timber
it fleshed out her character, it fleshed out MEKA, even gave us a clearer picture of the Kishin omnic
candid wyvern
and in turn, Sombra
fleshing out her character wouldnt be necessary
if she was ever well written to begin with
honestly
that's the only thing this short does imo
makes d.va slightly more bearable as a character
dire timber
it also, you know, expands on her lore?
I wanted to see the rest of her MEKA squad, I wanted to see what her life was like
and I did
but you know, it seems that people clearly didn't
because people aren't actually interested in worldbuilding and character lore
candid wyvern
you saw she eats gamer snacks
surprise surprise
you saw some faces of people
legendary
dire timber
it wasn't just that, and you're being deliberately disingenuous
dire timber
it's really fucking not
candid wyvern
"d.va is not as bad of a character as we initially made her out to be also here's some faces"
thats the whole thing
candid wyvern
what lore
what story
what happens in the short
nothing
no events of note
nothing new
d.va does her job and goes home
dire timber
it showed us who D.va is a person, what her life as a MEKA pilot is like, it showed us her MEKA squad
dire timber
I don't. it's simply that you just don't give a crap about lore and worldbuilding
dire timber
instead you wanted some pew pews and teaming up with Winston and Tracer, probably
candid wyvern
but lore and worldbuilding need to be relevant
and engaging for the audience
not introducing irrelevant side characters and then IMMEDIATELY tossing them aside
dire timber
this was engaging, people are just whiny as fuck
candid wyvern
none of the other MEKA members get even 1 second of actual screen time
we see
nothing
of them
they are just faces and pretty mechs intended to remind us "oh yes dva has team members but she's the beeeest yeeehaw!"
dire timber
yawn
you're so boring and whiny
keep punishing Blizzard for creating content
that'll pay off so well
dire timber
except they're making these for free lol
candid wyvern
and?
candid wyvern
it's intended as advertisment
I'm perfectly within my rights to yawn and say "hey how about something we haven't actually already seen"
dire timber
yeah, but maybe if the reactions to the content introduced weren't utterly negative, they'd be encouraged to produce more
dire timber
we haven't seen any if this
candid wyvern
they'd be encouraged to produce more of the same bad content
since "hey everyone likes it"
dire timber
this isn't "bad content"
candid wyvern
I think it is
I don't want them to produce more shorts like "Shooting Star"
gimme torbjorn shorts boooi
candid wyvern
yeah you act like it
dire timber
this was a lore bombshell
and people are acting like it's nothing special because it wasn't some lame hero mashup
people just wanted a "oh these guys know eachother now"
and not to actually see some worldbuilding
candid wyvern
good short
dragons
honour and glory
probably infiltration
mediocre shorts
hero
dire timber
honor and glory didn't give us anything new, by your own standard
twin pollen
Imo I think all the shorts were good
candid wyvern
more development in the first half of honour and glory
than the entirety of shooting star
actual character development immediately obvious
dire timber
what development, that Rein received the Recall and was one of the crusaders?
we knew that
candid wyvern
that rein was a retard
when he was young and hot blooded
and we go "well hey ho he isn't like that now what happened"
and then he gets owned by an OR unit
shooting star and probably rise and shine are just eh
swift pivot
Shooting Star gave us lore too
candid wyvern
though i haven't seen R&S in a while
swift pivot
We know have more insight about MEKA
dire timber
dude, just
candid wyvern
and the fact that they are criminally understaffed
dire timber
launch the Busan map and look around
candid wyvern
maybe the korean government should assign more than 5 people to defend a whole city
the Busan map is not the short
dire timber
we had none of that
candid wyvern
stop bringing up the map lol
dire timber
none
swift pivot
The map is lore as well
candid wyvern
yes
dire timber
the Busan map was developed alongside the short
candid wyvern
the map is separate to shooting star, though
candid wyvern
you can't say "this thing is good because this tangentiallyrelated thing is good"
swift pivot
If Busan is separate to Shooting Star, Eichenwalde is to Honour and Glory.
candid wyvern
yeah
dire timber
it's not tangentially related
candid wyvern
i never brought up eichenwalde as a map
i only spoke about the short and what we already knew about rein
slignerd is the one who can't seperate criticism of a short from criticism of the entire last ptr patch
because he's moving the goalposts
dire timber
then watch the short, and again - you'll see the MEKA squad, you'll see snapshots of them fighting the Kishin
candid wyvern
wow the meka squad fight omnics
swift pivot
I don't get this discussion as a whole
candid wyvern
that wasn't already entirely known
and snapshots is exactly the problem
no real screentime
dire timber
@swift pivot people are whining because whining is cool & edgy
candid wyvern
nothing important about them
swift pivot
Like every bit of lore is great
dire timber
and so, they deny that Shooting Star gave us meaningful lore
candid wyvern
Slignerd is deflecting legitimate criticism of shooting star as whining
dire timber
because they hoped for a hero mashup
candid wyvern
and saying "you should be glad you got anything at all"
which is about as pertinent as a feeding torbjorn saying "you should be glad I don't AFK"
dire timber
@candid wyvern "hurr lore don't matter" isn't legitimate criticism
dire timber
it is
candid wyvern
and there's about 1 fluid ounce of what bad lore there is
dire timber
it showed us who D.va is as a person, it showed us that she's overexerting herself because she feels that everything rests on her shoulders
dire timber
it showed us that the Korean government manipulates her public image, and minimalizes the actual harm done to the pilots
claimed D.va got through without a scratch
candid wyvern
because that's the personality she perpetuates
dire timber
which, again, you'd notice, if you only cared about the details
candid wyvern
lol
korean government being shit was 2016 knowledge fam
but again, if only D.va was well written to begin with
eh
dire timber
but again, if only you weren't a whiny asshole
candid wyvern
your entire argument is just insulting me
it's very convincing
use the n word next
i know you want to
candid wyvern
I never said you did
just that you want to
strange you'd get so defensive 
wypipo truly do be like
dire timber
?
this exchange is so darn pointless
point being, we got some great D.va lore, and people are being whiny about it, because "hurr, who cares about worldbuilding"
and then denying that it's lore and worldbuilding at all
even, though, you know, it literally showed us what kind of world D.va lives in?
dire timber
she existed in a void
candid wyvern
woooaaah dude did you know d.va is a fuckiiiin superstar
who can defend the entirety of korea on her own
with the utmost competency
dire timber
it's funny how showing instead of telling is a concept that is lost on you
like a summary is no different to you than tye actual thing
candid wyvern
you mean like the rein short that shows how he probably blames himself for the entire fall of eichenwald
and how "I was called, I must answer" likely refers to all the times during the battle of eichenwalde that his team needed him but he wasn't there
and people died
due to his incompetence
and how he's been trying to redeem himself for that ever since
as opposed to d.va being an epic gamer and fragging out through man advantage 1v5 true pogchamp OW Curios highlights reel
dire timber
meanwhile D.va carries the weight of the world on her shoulders, scared that the smallest could cause it all to crumble
candid wyvern
maybe she should ask korea to hire more than 5 people
to defend an entire country
the entire premise is stupid
dire timber
wow, maybe because that's not how storytelling works?
candid wyvern
but muh worldbuilding!
dire timber
"hurr, why won't they just do X lel xd"
candid wyvern
worldbuilding, perhaps, should have some degree of realism
instead of, may i repeat, 5 people defending an entire continent
dire timber
lmao, are we really about to have the realism complaint
candid wyvern
and nobody actually monitoring the korean coast
idk
that seems pretty dumb too
lucked out that her brother just happened to be there
dire timber
the thing is, they're exceptional, with the aptitude to operate the mechs
candid wyvern
where's the actual staff
dire timber
they're there specifically to defend against the giant omnic
candid wyvern
yeah true there's only 5 fighter pilots in the entire world
also only 5 pro gamers in all of korea
as if
dire timber
almost as if this is a work of fiction
and making the number of MEKA pilots stupidly large would be detrimental to the story
candid wyvern
the story being
dire timber
because "realism" doesn't make good stories
candid wyvern
d.va is sad because meka is severely understaffed
so her entire story is based on an incredibly dumb premise
ty
dire timber
the story being, you're an asshole who'll deliberately misconstrue the contents of the short and ignore its merits
😴
candid wyvern
no combat support
nobody to repair your damage mechs for you
nobody who even monitors for when attacks are actually occuring
5 kids aged 18-25
defend the entire country
it's such an absurd plotline that it beggars belief
dire timber
they're assigned to defend against a single specific threat
dire timber
you're ignoring the fact that once defeated, it usually layed quiet for months
dire timber
and that backup was available, they just wouldn't arrive on time
candid wyvern
it's a military operation
i suppose it makes for good commentary on government incompetence and just how bad bureaucracy can be
i bet d.va put loads of phone calls in to ask for more resources
but kept being left on hold
that's why she's so stressed
dire timber
they were also on low alert, due to the fact that they had just defeated it last week
and I mean, maybe
candid wyvern
low alert = staff presence of 0
optimal military strategy is livestreaming your operations
it's such a dumb premise lmao