and it could still be a curveball with someone yet unnamed
#lore-discussion
iron plume
errant elm
So basically we know nothing
steel current
It is probably the Queen tho
errant elm
Need hints... Blizzard give pls
iron plume
We only start getting something with the week-before-PTR teases
steel current
In my opinion
iron plume
and even then the first hint is almost always a misdirect
dire timber
remember when we saw a piece of armor in the Talon council room, and everyone thought it was some big tease for a Talon tank?
steel current
Yeah
errant elm
What hints direct towards the Queen though?
steel current
That was a year ago I think
iron plume
Hammond’s teasers had queen posters in them
dire timber
@errant elm her presence in all the Hammond stuff, her prominence in Junkertown, and... that's pretty much it
people think it's a lot like Brig
steel current
Highly requested
We know how she looks like
Hammond in general
dire timber
before her release
errant elm
Isn’t she like the leader of Junkertown?
dire timber
yea
errant elm
So wouldn’t it be normal to have the leader and ex-mexh fighter in stuff for a mech fighter from the place she rules?
dire timber
I doubt she'd be a mech pilot as a hero, honestly
errant elm
That’s what I mean
dire timber
I think maybe she could use some pieces of her mech as her armor/weaponry
iron plume
not the whole history
dire timber
to kinda offer a nod to her backstory without letting her gameplay feel redundant
nah
I don't want another hero with mech calling
honestly
brisk harbor
Lol dva mech call is so bugged
iron plume
I think neither does blizzard
errant elm
I don’t want another hero that has to do smth with a mech after what we got recently
steel current
Probably not
iron plume
yeah that works
errant elm
Like only a mech arm?
steel current
Maybe just in her design
errant elm
A mech arm with a cannon?
errant elm
Like a cannon on her left arm with armor plates randomly on her left arm, shoulder and left side of her torso
steel current
We need more precise hitscans in the game
errant elm
Nah we got enough for now
steel current
Then some with big burst then
errant elm
Hanzo’s not hitscan
molten minnow
Wow, just got off work and checked out the new DVa short. Kind of surprised that they're shipping her to some no-name considering all the DVa fanboy...
brisk harbor
Yeah because he'd be broken as shit
errant elm
We got widow, mcCree, soldier, Hammond, Ana and probably some more
brisk harbor
The new guy got friendzoned
brisk harbor
Reaper
steel current
A DOUBLE shotgun
brisk harbor
Hog
errant elm
Roadhog realer dva
steel current
AND THE BACKSTORY IS THAT SHE KILLED DEMONS
errant elm
Fk off lol
steel current
THAT RIGHT DOOMGUY IS THE QUEEN
Now I'll stop
Like this channel too much to get banned
steel current
Yeah agree
errant elm
I would be okay if they stayed isolated, but atleast have smth going on in junkertown
steel current
Hog just wants to stay away and Junkrat is not the guy to lead a Civil War
worthy rose
Hot take: Talon controls the sea omnium
steel current
That'd be good
limpid agate
The colour scheme of the Kishin Omnics does match Talon
Black with Red lights
That is an interesting point of speculation
lapis cloak
It's sorta weird tho, the giant omnics you can see dva battling in the "We Are Overwatch" trailer and the tiny snippet you see from this cinematic only have one similarity to the tentacleboyes that attacked
being the 6 red lights
the red color in specific
either the timing + not gargantuan size of the attackers is supposed to make us think it was talon, especially since an effectively terrorist attack is meant to spread fear between omnics and humans OR they really are the normal kishin omnics and there's just a massive amount of plot holes and lack of explanations
worthy rose
What are the tentacle things anyway? Rando omnics
lapis cloak
If you get a close-up of the eye thing as it gets close to d.va, it just looks sophisticated and autonomous enough to be an omnic
and not a drone
like it was moving its eyeball n shit
but if it were a drone it would just be like a camera
so I'm thinking some sort of omnic developed by talon?
remember the fucking heavy assault
i honestly think that was a cyborg
due to size + weird screams it made
so it's safe to assume talon is pretty far advanced
wheat cypress
How can I find an another server?
hearty epoch
what if they were talon omnics
or talon drones or whatever
o no wait someone mentioned that above lol
steel current
@wheat cypress wat
obsidian shuttle
Why the fuck is south koreas best defence in the future teenagers in mech suits
this is the same universe where they can make massive force fields out of light
dire timber
I mean
they were put on low alert
since the Kishin consistently attack once per few months
sand kraken
Why not
dire timber
... speaking of which
Symmetra's new ult basically feels like just more evidence that Hanzo's dragons are hard-light related
obsidian shuttle
you'd think that if they were in conflict, they would invest in more than 5 - 6 mech pilots at least
valid shell
@dire timber Her new basically?
dire timber
@valid shell her new ult
I wanted to fix it right away, but server died
and, I know, gameplay isn't lore
valid shell
@obsidian shuttle I'm assuming it's because SK's standing army got chunked by the initial Omnic attacks.
dire timber
but darn if the only two ultimates that manifest across the entire map don't feel similar
obsidian shuttle
@valid shell this isnt some under developed country. South korea looks as advanced as Wakanda in the marvel universe. there is no way they cant invest a few more people into mechs
valid shell
I mean, I guess.
obsidian shuttle
it doesnt matter, the shorts still amazing, even if it doesnt make as much sense as the other ones
sand kraken
They say it was only an introduction of something bigger
D.va will definitely get more lore
low plover
wheres my lucio lore tho
just want my frog to have more lore than frogger at some point
gusty fjord
So
Guys
is Hana's friend at the short a member of the Meka squad?
Or is he like a mechanic?
dire timber
he's a mechanic
gusty fjord
Ohh
gusty fjord
So he's not really a "front line" fighter like the Meka V then?
dire timber
nah
gusty fjord
Ohhh personal mechanic. Gotcha
sand kraken
No
hasty surge
Like brigitte to rein
white cobalt
Just the pins
tawny patio
I personally
Loved the cinematic today 
limpid agate
So D.Va's friend Dae-Hyun
Is voiced by a Power Ranger
I think Johnny Young is the VA
limpid agate
I could be mistaken
And its just a guy with a similar name
Actually I am 100% mistaken
Disregard my post
brisk harbor
Why did the authorities say Dva returned without a scratch
brisk harbor
Ok that makes sense
lapis cloak
Also dva sorta stole the show from the other 4 meka pilots because she was "reigning world champion" at some popular esport I guess
And she picked up a larger audience streaming combat
She's like shroud turned US drone pilot
limpid agate
Metzen still gets credits
peak escarp
He's the Stan Lee of Blizzard
limpid agate
Also, Reinhardt sings Karaeoke
https://twitter.com/westofhouse/status/1032389867991326720
This is in game
Twitter
limpid agate
Moira
gusty fjord
Ohhh
peak escarp
He is able to rapidly degrade and reconstruct his cellular structure
Or something sciencey like that
hearty epoch
ye
storm dirge
Ahem! so the reason Gabriel Reyes asked Moira to turn him into Reaper is: his Supersoldier Enhancements aren't superhuman enough for him
peak escarp
he didn't ask her to turn him into Reaper specifically
he probably just wanted more augmentations
it was Moira who chose to make him into a wraith and he was not happy about it
storm dirge
since he notices his own supersoldier augmentation aren't superhuman enough
peak escarp
that makes sense
peak escarp
we don't really know why though
limpid agate
Or enhanced them
peak escarp
it could have been to get more enhancements
limpid agate
He was not unhappy about it
peak escarp
there's a popular theory that he was having complications from his SEP conditioning and he wanted Moira to fix it
limpid agate
It wasnt until sometime between Uprising and the present where he went bad.
And his body was fucked beyond repair
Most likely the Swiss HQ incident
storm dirge
enhanced humans that Overwatch uses to levels playing field between humans and omnics during wars are only as superhuman as Earth-616!Captain America in Real World settings
limpid agate
He didnt seem displeased through Retribution/Uprising
peak escarp
maybe Moira was able to reassure him
convince him that these changes would be useful
limpid agate
Reyes : Fine. No ill effects so far.
Moira : Let me know if that changes.
Moira: That could be an unforeseen side effect...
Reyes: I was making a joke.
Soldier 76's enhanced Strength are limited to stalemates Zarya
harsh topaz
Where did you get that @limpid agate ??
harsh topaz
Oh ok
peak escarp
that's Retribution dialogue
limpid agate
peak escarp
they say that during the mission
storm dirge
@limpid agate reminds me of being Zombie-like Carnivore as side effect of those that bioengineered to don't need Water and Oxygen anymore
valid shell
didn t mercy make reaper??
limpid agate
No
peak escarp
Binge you know better
limpid agate
Welp, now that we got the short... Junkerqueen hero 29.
On the bright side, I can now replace random NPC Leonora with MEKA Pilots
graceful mica
what do you guys think? I'm more interested in additional ideas btw https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/m-e-k-a-squad-new-heroes/195319
prisma wren
um............jewvia what do you mean by junkerquen hero 29?
i dont think the short was anything special tho
lean silo
also
i'm not sure how the SEP actually handled batches
but Reaper was evidently soldier 24
Morrison was soldier 76 and recycled that name as a vigilante
I'm gonna assume 76 means he was a later "batch" than 24 and as a result Reyes could have been undergoing some genetic problems that Morrison, as a later-gen SEP specimen (for lack of a better term), wouldn't have experienced
dusk needle
How would the queen even play part in the story
lean silo
As a possible addition to the theory about his conditioning being why he wanted Moira's help
dusk needle
i would see her being released for maybe about another year or so
lean silo
i mean, she's affilliated with Hammond, Junk and Hog
Hammond she knows as Wrecking Ball, i'm not sure if they even know he's a hamster.
dusk needle
Prob not
peak escarp
that would make sense
dusk needle
But I feel as though that junkertown isnt really the focus right now
peak escarp
assuming the SEP subjects were numbered sequentially
lean silo
And she yells at Junk and Hog if you're playing one of them on attack at the Junkertown map
yeah
That's kinda her big impact though
peak escarp
we know the Horizon specimens weren't numbered sequentially
lean silo
i mean tbf, Hammond also doesn't really have story impact other than being vaguely related to the junkers
dusk needle
true
dusk needle
there not much info on her so
lean silo
Probably Blizzcon they'll announce the next hero, in November.
I know they announced Moira at Blizzcon last year
lean silo
First new release was Ana, then that awful ARG they did with Sombra (which they swore they wouldn't repeat), then um...Orisa, I think it was. Then doom that summer, even though he was just supposed to be lore. Fans loved the concept enough to make it into a real thing
Then it was moira, then brigitte, now hammond
dusk needle
Love overwatch but the devlopment of it is slow
lean silo
i wasn't around for Ana but for Moira there definitely wasn't anything pointing to her besides a cameo in a comic ages ago
So they'd obviously had Moira in the works for a while
She was basically only recognizable by her hairstyle.
In that comic I mean
dusk needle
but they probably have to deal with toxicity issues and mass "troll sym" reports
lean silo
Hammond has been around a while too, he was hinted at in Horizon early on with his specimen number and name
iirc
whenever they put that report on the monitor
nah they don't manually deal with reports, it's automatic
limpid agate
jewvia what do you mean by junkerquen hero 29
lean silo
anyway judging from past releases
limpid agate
@prisma wren I mean, I expect her for hero 29
lean silo
29 is probably queen, because of the buildup
limpid agate
I had thoughts that 29 might be shown in this short
dusk needle
wait
dusk needle
what is hammond number?
lean silo
There's been past evidence and buildup for every hero so far, even Orisa.
limpid agate
Hammond is 28
dusk needle
It might as well be her
lean silo
Though we didn't know what Orisa was at the time
They still haven't fixed the Numbani airport lmao
gusty fjord
I want
a Talon based Tank character
Because lore wise, where we anyways?
The "Good guys" are who?
Who are on "team" overwatch anyways? Like the "good guys" in this narrative they have so far?
peak escarp
Winston, Tracer, Mei, Reinhardt, plus probably Brigitte, Torbjorn, Bastion and Genji
gusty fjord
Hanzo is indecisive?
peak escarp
Hanzo hasn't decided how to respond to Genji saying he needs to pick a side
gusty fjord
Is there a reason for him to defect though?
Team Overwatch is:
Winston, Tracer, Mei, Reinhardt, Brigitte, Torbjorn, Bastion, Genji, Wrecking Ball
Team 3rd Party:
Junkrat, Roadhog, Hanzo??? Zarya??? Zenyatta???
Team Talon:
Doomfist, Widowmaker, Repear, Sombra??? (She has ulterior motives, it seems)
Wh else am I missing?
limpid agate
Wrecking Ball is not Overwatch
peak escarp
Wrecking Ball is an independent hero right now
limpid agate
Overwatch is:
Winston - Leader
Tracer
Mei
Reinhardt
Brigitte - Probably joined with Rein
Genji - Implied to have taken their side
Torbjorn - Implied to have joined
Bastion - An accessory to Torbjorn
peak escarp
he's not even with the Junkers anymore
limpid agate
Talon is:
Doomfist - Leader
Reaper - Leader
Moira - Leader
Sombra
Widowmaker
Symmetra - Unknowingly through Vishkar
And...
Everyone else is mostly independant or working with a company
The exceptions are two duos.
Junkrat/Roadhog doing what they want
Ana/Soldier 76 who are hunting Reaper
gusty fjord
That's a good spread
With that said, I wish they'd introduce a "heavy" Talon member.
dense estuary
so having seen the short, Is this the first time we have seen D.Va's partner/mission controller?
gusty fjord
They have the Sniper, The Hacker, The mad Scientist, The eccentric leader, and the Guy with the itchy trigger finger.
They need a guy with explosives
I think so ,yeah
limpid agate
@dense estuary Thats her mechanic and best friend
And yes
Its the first time we've seen Dae-Hyun
Or heard of him
gusty fjord
Oh right. Lucio I forgot
limpid agate
@gusty fjord We know 2 other characters
valid shell
Yes, her great friend.
gusty fjord
What team is he on? 3rd party?
limpid agate
Maximillien, an omnic. And Sanjay, a higherup in Vishkar
brisk harbor
Lol Lucio lore
dense estuary
Lucio is independent so far as we know for now
limpid agate
If I didnt mention them, they're independant or working for a 3rd party organization
gusty fjord
I love Lucio. It pains me that we have nothing on him
valid shell
That's not true.
limpid agate
Its just 4-8 Overwatch heroes, and 5 Talon heroes
valid shell
We recently got a tidbit.
gusty fjord
I want Talon tank
limpid agate
If you want a Talon tank, pray they make Sanjay a tank
brisk harbor
We've been getting so many talon characters
gusty fjord
A tank that has good mobility...? Or maybe a tank that can fly
dense estuary
I would class Symmetra as Neutral-Vishkar, So far she has not done any work for them.
valid shell
Let's not get to discussing Original Character Do Not Steal ideas.
gusty fjord
Fair enough
limpid agate
Her comic is nothing but her doing work for them
limpid agate
Sanjay is Talon
valid shell
How do we know that A Better World wasn't work for Talon?
limpid agate
And she did it all for Sanjay
It benefits Vishkar
But it could also benefit Talon
We dont know the extent of Sanjay's influence
dense estuary
Does Vishkar know Sanjay is with Talon or does he use Talon for dirty deeds to keep the heat off Vishkar
hasty surge
Question charlet chung isnt the korea va for dva?
valid shell
For all we know, Vishkar could be oblivious to Sanjay's methods and intentions.
limpid agate
@hasty surge No
valid shell
@hasty surge She's American.
valid shell
She can speak Korean, but I'm guessing they'd want someone fluent.
And by fluent, I mean a native speaker.
And by native speaker, I mean Korean.
dense estuary
Sanjay needs to complete quotas for Vishkar, How better to sell your "bringing safety and order" than have a "terrorist attack" happen.
peak escarp
Charlet is fluent in English, Korean and Japanese
dense estuary
By using Talon, Nobody can implicate Vishkar
valid shell
That's probably why Sanjay's in Talon.
hasty surge
But they don't want to get a korean va to voice dva for english and korean?
dense estuary
Vishkar execs back in India may not even know
valid shell
Open war means collateral damage, which means rebuilding.
hasty surge
I think that would be alot more accurate
valid shell
Which means work for Vishkar.
brisk harbor
They probably jus like the actor
dense estuary
Also if they are truly a megacorp I bet Sanjay can use creative accounting to expense the Talon jobs
and the numbers get lost in corporate accounting
hasty surge
Vishkar maybe be part of talon if sanjay is the leader of vishkar
dense estuary
afaik Sanjay is just a high ranking exec but probably not C-Level
Not high enough that Vishkar and Talon have direct relations but high enough he can keep his work with a terrorist group hidden.
peak escarp
we don't know Sanjay's role in Vishkar
he was Symmetra's handler in her comic, and was present for the unveiling of the finished project
dense estuary
of course funneling Vishkar money to Talon is not hard, I am sure Talon has a ton of "legit" business fronts
Sanjay overpays for a limo here, A hotel suite there, jet charter over there....
I mean yea I am sure the record keeping in the OW 'verse is much better due to better computing but there will always be ways to shift the monies to bad people who do bad things without the authorities knowing.
And if any reporter from the Channel 6 I-Team starts to nose around, Sanjay has Talon whack them or otherwise influence the network to pull the story using the Vishkar side of things.
worthy rose
if someone talks shit about Shooting Star direct them to this
Anyway
Vishkar isn't part of talon, but they're associates
Talon destroys, Vishkar builds
That's how it works
limpid agate
@worthy rose DVa characterization is the one thing it accomplishes, other than some minor details
Ive already spoken about this earlier that it has a lot of drawbacks.
Its somewhere between Hero and Rise and Shine to me.
peak escarp
I'm realizing how weird it is to see DVa without her warpaint
timid eagle
Aren't those things supposed to be whiskers?
dense estuary
id add one of my theories for why Sanjay would directly use Vishkar money to Talon front corporations to fund operations that benefit Vishkar. Job security, If upper management finds out and tries to can him he can threaten to go to the press with "evidence" the company funnels money into Talon.
one of those cards someone keeps in their back pocket for a rainy day
peak escarp
whiskers, warpaint
either way, it's weird seeing her without them
also, DVa listens to Lucio's music
that's a neat detail
limpid agate
So does Dae-Hyun
peak escarp
nice to see Lucio's international popularity
cedar moon
What did moira do to get kicked from overwatch
limpid agate
Well for starters
Before she joined Overwatch
Her research was shut down by Overwatch because she didnt take ethics into her work
She was kicked out when they found out Reyes hired her
limpid agate
She also does what she wants, so long as it reaches a scientific conclusion
Including human experimentation
Not only on herself but also Reyes
limpid agate
You need to be more specific
gusty fjord
I think it's before a match starts
like when there's that countdown
It's a mix of the "Situation Critical" but with the addition of the inception horns blaring??
limpid agate
Youre thinking of the music that plays when overtime is approaching
gusty fjord
Man, seeing Okoro in the motion comic makes me wish we had a walking Omnic as an ally. Zen "floats" XD
I want an Omnic with an equally bubbly personality as Tracer
@limpid agate Yeah, it's this one. Thanks. XD The horns always throw me off.
@limpid agate So the pins are my source for the lore right? I'm really falling into the rabbit hole here. I love it.
peak escarp
excellent
iron plume
I think it’s supposed to be the general future security gear
elder swallow
Yeah @limpid agate it is cool
rose hedge
I'm curious about D.Mon
iron plume
What about her
errant elm
Tbh who doesn’t want Dmon in-game
rose hedge
Just the name has a ring to it
iron plume
Balderich's armor is still ultimately the same shape as Rein's
it's unlikely we'll see the same thing with Casino
iron plume
It has a much longer profile
we could see the same mech in Casino's style but not that thing
jaunty path
I'd be ok with a reskin. But yeah I guess MEKA has a different Weapon system for each Mech adapted to each pilot
It would be way cooler to have the actual pilots and mecs
dire timber
the silhouttes are too different
regal coyote
@limpid agate maybe some of them
a few of them are most likely "recovery crew" for the meka department
also, why is there only one repair crew in with hana
you would think there would be more servants for hana and the lead repair mechanic
like some interns where they would help with trivial stuff and allow you to bully if needed, etc
hasty surge
She has daehyun to bully
regal coyote
well true, but that is her friendzone so yeah it is worse than bullying
hasty surge
I don't get why their coastal is so unprotected
I doubt the korean government would leave only 5 mekas to defend them
brisk harbor
They spent too much money on dva screens
hasty surge
I assume they would also have enlisted soldiers to fight
hasty surge
I imagine 5 mekas for the kishin omnic and the rest of the soldiers for the smaller ones
iron plume
they're not on vacation, they're injured
The idea is that mekas are the last line of defense
because the omnic has adapted to go through / go by unnoticed by the traditional systems
brisk harbor
Their regular defense isn't even good
iron plume
yes, because the kaiju is constantly adapting for it
and it's easier/more efficient to have a skilled small force up to date against an evolving enemy than the entire army
it's still not very sensible
but that's the idea
brisk harbor
They should at least have like 15-20
hasty surge
I would imagine they would have both
brisk harbor
I'd understand why making 1000 would be shit
hasty surge
And not leave everything to the mekas
regal coyote
@brisk harbor well their mech is trashed, and they are on leave i guess partly cause in previous cycles the omnic will not be attacking in a few months
iron plume
that's like the entire point of what I mentioned
regal coyote
there is more i would say though
hasty surge
On leave injured but no one is fixing their meka
iron plume
they have mechanics
regal coyote
while i understand having a small squad of elite anti-gweiju specialists, i still think the city should at least have some point defence anti missile system or something
hasty surge
I would like to see what other reinforcements they have rather then the 5 mekas
iron plume
dva is fixing her own because she's a nerd
regal coyote
^
hasty surge
@regal coyote yes that's it lol
iron plume
and/or has ptsd
regal coyote
i do think they ahve mroe mechanics thatn that
iron plume
basically that's also a point about her
regal coyote
and hana-duo is doing their own tweaks
hasty surge
And daehyun was supposed to be helping her
iron plume
they're not supposed to be on the base fixing their own shit, they have mechanics for that
inlcuding personal ones
hasty surge
Ok at least he seemed like he did
regal coyote
but i do agree they should at least have some mroe generic mka ready in case of things like that and their main meka is in repair
hasty surge
I would assume the normal meka pilots have the generic ones
iron plume
plus they were injured
regal coyote
i do agree with rule of drama
but it would be more interesting to see some generic redshirt show up trying in vein to help
still mkes hana more heroic, and plugs in plotholes
tawny patio
I actually doubt they’d have spares tbh...
regal coyote
they dont have to be Meka elite grade
iron plume
thing about a generic redshirt showing up
is then the question is why weren't there more
regal coyote
they can be like normal ass flying mech the police would use
iron plume
because if you establish that there are "lesser" mekas on call
there's no reason for there to be just one
regal coyote
i am sure normal powersuit types is available in overwatch easy, given flying cars everywhere and cheap mech parts
iron plume
Not having anyone is dumb, but it's at least consistent with itself
one person showing up wouldn't be
tawny patio
It’s not like that’s cheap machinery
And when you have the attacks down to a calendar why have a spare?
The cops wouldn’t have a meka
And the few pilots only need them annually
regal coyote
rue
at least consistant
oe else they can have the F1 pilot with eyepatch and one broken arm charging in yelling "dont worry, i will protect busan"
tawny patio
Which is part of what makes the cinematic work
They weren’t prepared
Even D.Va’s mechanic says it’s too early
regal coyote
agree they are not prepared.
that is also only reason i think the story can work
no one expect an attack, not even the police or regular defense
and we know the fight can go into the city, since the last broken meka is recovered in the city, both overlord and dmon
dire timber
I think the simple fact is, they didn't expect an attack
they assumed the had at least a month to prepare
backup from the Korean army was available, Daehyun said as much
it's just, like D.va said, they wouldn't arrive on time
peak escarp
there are more than just the 5 MEKA pilots we saw protecting Korea
Ben: There are more in the force protecting Busan, although we didn’t get to show the rest of the force in the animated short due to limited budget and time. Also, the MEKA force stops the omnics every single time at the frontline.
regal coyote
DAMn they are THAT good
peak escarp
also DVa does not have PTSD
regal coyote
i dont think she has
she is jsut that type of "super motivated" type of people
she want s to be great
Sure she might one day fall like the classic asuka but that is unlikely currently
peak escarp
PTSD is everyone's default buzzword for mental trauma, but it's an actual condition with symptoms
Bastion shows some signs of it
valid shell
Bastion also isn't human, so his "PTSD" could just be sensationalized glitches.
peak escarp
true
dusk pawn
!ça y est c'est enfin l'été
peak escarp
we speak English here
iron plume
so giet out
regarding bastion: obviously “realistically” it’s glitches
but since this is fiction and all it can represent human conditions
peak escarp
it's obviously supposed to represent PTSD or triggered mental trauma
Hana's little memory flashback didn't send her panicking or make her shoot at walls
it was just a memory of what motivates her to try so hard
hasty surge
daehyun said rest of the squad are on leave
warm pivot
Dose anyone like to role play
peak escarp
Not the place for it
hexed lotus
so is dva a layered character? that is, is how she is depicted in-game and by the media different from what the short was trying to tell us?
peak escarp
Yes
In the game we see her public face - DVa, the celebrity, the happy-go-lucky streamer
But in the short we saw her private face - Hana Song, combat veteran who carries the weight of the world on her shoulders
peak escarp
I hope she gets more interactions/dialogue where she lets her guard down
brisk harbor
I mean when she's in public that's how she expresses herself
Dva will probably get new dialogue in the Busan map
warm pivot
Dose anyone like to role play
valid shell
Not the channel for that.
limpid agate
And while Im at it
Mei also does not have PTSD
Being sad that people died is not the same as PTSD
errant elm
Lol if people think that’s PTSD half the world population has PTSD
proven cloak
I was about to say about the same thing
errant elm
The only hero with PTSD is Bastion
limpid agate
Thats the same one
hearty epoch
d.va is like all might from my hero academia
the best in terms of city defenses/heroism and popularity but deep down shoulders a lot of emotional weight and burden alone
PLUS ULTRA D.VA
detroito suuummaaaaassshhhhh
rain arrow
@limpid agate there has been a lot of people defending the animation by adding things to it that just aren't there, it's TLJ thing all over again
limpid agate
TLJ?
rain arrow
The last jedi
smoky lance
never seen it
limpid agate
Thats not problematic for the same reasons
TLJ's biggest flaw is that most of what went wrong wouldn't have happened if people just communicated.
Shooting Star's problem is that its rushed and the dialogue doesn't feel natural, but like forced exposition and progression
rain arrow
@limpid agate not what I mean. With media like this, people project theories and assumptions into it in mto fill holes and things that either don't make sense or never explained. In order to make something seem like it's more than than it is
limpid agate
The only thing Ive been seeing is the whole PTSD argument
Which aint true
The other part is DVa characterization, which is true
But... Thats all, and I do not weigh that high enough to balance out what I didnt like about the short
rain arrow
I would hear that she's lonely, the PTSD thing, and she hates the media
Also because she's so used to carrying the team, that's why she didn't ask for help
Etc etc
regal coyote
I think it is rushed, but some of the stuff is semi-deliberate
for example the dialogue is made to be like dubbed anime.
Also the whole progression is typical of an episode of superrobot trope anime
Some of the stuff you KNOW to be related in the future, one trope line or another
I guess the problem is that this is extremly asian anime style story and camera angle even to a certain degree, which means it might not go well with the rest of the cinematic shorts
also I feel like some shorts are left out for reasion of either rushed production, or too anime like, or just the limited length of a short
like numerous times i can see the mechanic where he should be sighing uddering the korean version of baka to himself
especially parts where he is clearly trying to have a fun time together with hana
fluid gulch
So I'm not the only one that felt like Shooting Star had no heartfelt meaning? Like it was just D.va defending Korea and really nothing more. It doesn't show a struggle, really. Other than she almost died and the ending about having true friends, it was just like a filler episode. Compared to like the last bastion or rise and shine, it had no feeling behind it. Like I had tears when snowball sacrificed himself for Mei, but when D.va boew up her meka and fell 100's of feet into water? Nothing. It was nothing special to get sentimental over, really.
limpid agate
You are not the only one
It had some cool things, but a lot of people were disappointed
fluid gulch
I am very disappointed, it didn't escalate the lore one bit. I just wish they could put out more animated shorts, but if it took them that long and it ended up being that bad, then just don't bothered.
sand kraken
Jeff said there'll be more lore soon. The cinematic was an introduction.
dire timber
don't hold your breath
it was more of a vague "we have more in store for D.va", in the same sense that they have more story planned for the new Overwatch
it just so happens that it's been 2 years now
sand kraken
I mean, Blizzard is working on tons of other stuff at the same time. Plus creating a cinematic this good takes time.
So I guess it's ..fair?
dire timber
yeah, I know
it's just
"this is just an introduction, we have more planned for D.va"
means basically nothing
sand kraken
How can you be so sure?
We don't really know anything yet, so I guess we'll have to be patient.
sand kraken
^^^^
errant elm
New heroes (big maybe)
worthy rose
how exactly did torbjorn lose his arm?
iron plume
omnic attack
operation White Dome, some time after the omnic crisis
this was shortly before Brigitte was born
runic scroll
shooting star felt super cliche and I could pretty much tell what was going to happen after watching 30 seconds of it
oh, busan will be attacked, dva will fight, look like she's winning, get in trouble, win by self-destruct
i actually appreciate cliched stuff when it's well done, but it was just very cliche, predictable things happening at predictable times
you could say honor and glory was cliche as well because "oh he lost a mentor then matured from it" but i think it was much better handled
the way the story unfolded and showing how rein actually grew from it
dire timber
I don't get the whiners on this one
seriously
we've been starving for anything to expand on D.va
runic scroll
i mean, i'm not even complaining about "it doesn't move the story forward" or anything
i just feel like the short in itself was incredibly cliche
everything happening as predicted around predicted timing
this was the first short that i thought was actually boring during my first watch
obviously this is my personal opinion so w/e
frosty shell
I knew what was going to happen in Rise and Shine b/c of Blizzyleaks
runic scroll
honestly, i don't agree with the claims that the new dva short doesn't reveal much about her character as other shorts did about their characters
honor and glory is just distilled down to "rein was cocky and not a team player, that cost him something huge, and now he's confident but humble and a team player"
brisk harbor
Lol mei short
runic scroll
shooting star is distilled to "dva is seen as this perfect star with bubbly personality and confidence, but she's human too, is just as afraid of things as other people are, but she endures it because of her sense of duty. she's also a very down-to-earth person who doesn't let her fame get to her head"
i just feel like honor and glory, as an animated film, was done much better
peak escarp
It was a good snapshot of her character, and an infodump about MEKA
runic scroll
yeah, that bit i agree
peak escarp
I enjoyed it
runic scroll
a lot of overwatch shorts are pretty cliche, but i think most of them are very well-executed cliche
i feel like shooting star's action sequence wasn't very well-executed
peak escarp
I hope the Blizzcon one progresses the story though
runic scroll
it was nice eye candy
but what happens during the fight and when was too predictable that i was pretty much watching it only because i wanted to be proven wrong
peak escarp
Shooting Star is at least present day, not a flashback
runic scroll
i wish the new skin teased would have been the garage dva though
and not whatever that lime green thing is supposed to be
peak escarp
I like Nano Cola DVa
runic scroll
oh is that what it is?
brisk harbor
Pretty gud skin
peak escarp
It's her outfit from the cola promos
brisk harbor
I like the hairstyle
runic scroll
hair is nice
i just don't like the color scheme
i feel like the new short kind of goes against this part of her official bio though
"Seeing her new mission as a game"
because the short showed how seriously she takes this job
which i prefer, actually
you could say that it just means she considers a battle as a game to be professional in, therefore still serious, but i feel like it still clashes a bit
limpid agate
She is serious
But she is also still reckless
She didnt stream anything in the short though
THe flashback or the main fight
hasty surge
I feel that the part she aaked for help was kinda forced though
limpid agate
Yeah
peak escarp
She probably takes her games seriously too
They could have made it longer, make her decision to ask for help seem more like a big step
I do like how they showed her making the decision to sacrifice her mech for the good of her city
She obviously loves her mech, but she loves her people more
gusty fjord
Forget what I said. I want Lynx Seventeen to be the new hero. XD We need a "Good Guy" hacker haha
peak escarp
I have no particular preference who is like for the next hero
Anyone we've seen has the potential to add to the lore
gusty fjord
@peak escarp What is the timeline for hero additions anyways?
peak escarp
March, July, November (Blizzcon reveal)
Heroes get teased on twitter a couple times in a few days before a full reveal and PTR release, and then they're put on live servers 2-3 weeks later
From first tease to full release is usually about a month
hasty surge
Daehyun as possible hero 28?
valid shell
No.
hasty surge
I think I would go for Daehyun and the mystery hero in Ayutthaya
valid shell
Another MEKA pilot, there's a chance. D.Mon maybe. But that nobody? Never.
hasty surge
Ok maybe not 28 but Daehyun is likely to come before any of the meka pilots
valid shell
Explain.
hasty surge
I'll attribute it to screen time plus we already have a meka pilot. It's unless we will get any others in the mean time. You can tell that Daehyun wants to do something. His current position is much like Brigitte. Works closely with an overwatch/in game hero, wants to do something and would likely step up. We don't know anything about the rest of the meka pilots. It's unlikely blizzard would suddenly 'give' a story for one of the meka pilots. And push it ahead of
Daehyun, whom they had set the stage for.
peak escarp
we already have a _____ isn't really a good reason not to have someone as a hero
valid shell
What, would he??? Ride a bike?? Because he mentioned it?? ?
peak escarp
we already have a Horizon specimen, we got Wrecking Ball
we already have a Talon leader, we got Doomfist
we already have four Overwatch founders, we got Ana
valid shell
He's a nobody.
eternal temple
we still need punch kid
valid shell
No we don't.
eternal temple
YES
peak escarp
they're not going to make a kid a playable hero in Overwatch
hasty surge
Anayways The next hero would be released in november. We should be getting a tease soon if Jewvia's 3 months relevance holds true.
peak escarp
Moira's only "tease" came in Masquerade, which was in July
Sombra was teased all summer before she was released
there's no set pattern to teases
hasty surge
@valid shell you know that Alejandra and Katya Volskaya isn't gonna be a hero. And they don't fit my description lol.
valid shell
@hasty surge Why not?
eternal temple
I feel like Hammond came really fast after he was teased
peak escarp
according to Jewvia's theory, any character that appears between Wrecking Ball's release and Blizzcon has a chance of being the next hero
valid shell
They're associated with heroes and have aspirations, just like D.Va's friendzoned roadie.
What illegitimizes them?
gusty fjord
@eternal temple Glad to see a fellow MHA fan. 😄 and a fan of my favorite hero too!
That said, I was mostly asking
What is the interval of Blizzard releasing new heroes? Is it every year?
Every year and a half?
ebon laurel
Every 4 months I think
valid shell
@hasty surge Why not blonde Omnic boyfriend girl? She's been in 2 cinematics and the Uprising intro.
gusty fjord
Wow, seriously? I swear it felt longer than that...
ebon laurel
Well
ebon laurel
O
gusty fjord
XD
ebon laurel
Makes sense
valid shell
Ecks dee
gusty fjord
I've been a longstanding fan, but only started PLAYING last 3 weeks ago
ebon laurel
Right
gusty fjord
So Blizzard will "tease" a new character this blizzcon then? Is that how this normally goes?
peak escarp
Hero releases are March, July, November (revealed at Blizzcon)
Map releases are January, June, September (revealed at Gamescom)
Events are February, April, May, August, October, December
gusty fjord
I should mark this on my calendar. LOL
peak escarp
gusty fjord
When you mean "revealed" that's when they're first shown or what?
Because Busan just released right now, so I'm assuming it'll be part of the main rotation by September?
hasty surge
@valid shell I kind feel like you are trying to pick a fight.
You pointed out a minor character in a cinematic.
Sure Katya has aspirations, but she isn't likely to 'step up' and become a hero and fight
Alejandra is a kid, doesn't work closely any in game character. The appearance of soldier 76 just gives her the reassurance that the heroes are still out there and she does not need to worry
valid shell
I'm just proving a point that despite Daehyun having an animated face and his own VA, doesn't make him any more likely to be hero 28.
Or any hero, ever.
He's just a safe nobody jobber created so D.Va didn't spend her cinematic in silence or talking to herself.
valid shell
Same reason Athena was conceived for Recall.
brisk harbor
Ye
hasty surge
Nobody can be certain for now who is hero 29, just uncertain guesses.
That would be my fault thanks for pointing out
True that @valid shell, why not ask one of the meka pilots to take over his role then
prisma wren
I doubt they would do junker queen tho
brisk harbor
She is pretty likely
valid shell
I doubt it.
prisma wren
i mean, they already did hammond who is part junker
valid shell
If we were going to get a mech-piloting junker we wouldn't have gotten Hammond.
prisma wren
exactly
hasty surge
I'm just pointing out that he is one of my guesses. Dislike it as you may. He is still part of my guesses for the upcoming hero or upcoming heroes
prisma wren
um
peak escarp
nothing says she has to be in a mech
brisk harbor
She isn't even the champion if I recall
peak escarp
she is a former Scrapyard champion
prisma wren
what would dae hyun do?
brisk harbor
Daehyun just seems like he would be in it for glory and fame tbh
prisma wren
ride on his broken hoverbike?
prisma wren
its broken btw
hasty surge
Except it wouldn't be broken lol
prisma wren
hes kinda like briggite
gusty fjord
My main question is though, what does Blizzard prioritize however? Gameplay or Lore?
valid shell
Who's Briggite?
hasty surge
He's a mech so support armour
hasty surge
From dva
gusty fjord
Because if we factor in Gameplay with it, we'd have to seriously consider what role the character will play first
brisk harbor
He's envious of dva
gusty fjord
Before who that character is
peak escarp
they tend to do both @gusty fjord
prisma wren
@valid shell brigitte
hasty surge
@valid shell so can I say that you are extremly certain that he will not beome a hero?
prisma wren
reins squire
valid shell
Yes.
brisk harbor
And Daehyun doesn't really seem physically fit like Brig
peak escarp
with Brigitte, they had an idea for a shield-and-mace hero, and decided to slap her character onto the mechanics
valid shell
You can say that.
gusty fjord
Ana (Support)
Sombra (DPS)
Orisa (Tank)
Doomfist (DPS)
Moira (Support)
Brigitte (Support)
Wrecking Ball (Tank)
hasty surge
You wanna take bet? @valid shell
gusty fjord
So at best we'll have a DPS focused character
peak escarp
for Doomfist, the character came first and they had to figure out what he could do
prisma wren
@hasty surge pls stop insisting
brisk harbor
I will bet my lifeline that Daehyun won't be hero 29
hasty surge
@prisma wren he's just mocking your spelling for Brigitte lol
gusty fjord
So at least THAT would give us some hint at list
prisma wren
@hasty surge i figured thta out
valid shell
Just like I was extremely certain that Harold Winston wasn't going to be a hero, despite people in this chat at this moment being positive.
prisma wren
its hard to type on a small phone
valid shell
You know who you are.
hasty surge
@prisma wren not insisting he will be 29 lol
prisma wren
um
brisk harbor
Lol he won't
prisma wren
nvm
eternal temple
I think blizzard wants to have more support and tanks now that they combined the dps
hasty surge
Ya that's true
valid shell
Meta discussion doesn't belong here.
prisma wren
i hope it will be a tank tho
valid shell
Stop while you're ahead.
hasty surge
Talon/blackwatch tank?
valid shell
You're still going.
prisma wren
um
valid shell
Stop doing this thing.
hasty surge
Lore wise talon and blackwatch are missing a tank.
gusty fjord
Yeah, I agree with him
hasty surge
But I suppose that would be a charcter who is more agressive and can do stealth work
prisma wren
blackwatch is gone
valid shell
I'd like a human male. From an unrepresented region.
gusty fjord
@eternal temple Define stereotypical?
That they expanded on her "gamer" personality?
Or added another side to it?
eternal temple
Like she does all this diva shit in her highlight intros but in the short she was a super no nonsense soldier with slight ptsd
prisma wren
@valid shell explain?
gusty fjord
@eternal temple I took it as another side of her
valid shell
@prisma wren A male who is a human.
prisma wren
..........
brisk harbor
Nice explanation
valid shell
Dunno what he wants from me.
prisma wren
i meant the unrepresented part
gusty fjord
So BJhaven wants an "eye" character then?
Like the whole org Sombra is trying to find?
valid shell
@prisma wren The Caribbean. Or SE Asia. Or a second South American.
brisk harbor
When did he ever say that
valid shell
Or Canada.
hasty surge
Currently we have the thai hero from ayutthaya
brisk harbor
Wut
valid shell
Thai, yes.
prisma wren
@gusty fjord what do you mean i want an eye character
hasty surge
If he is actually from ayutthaya
valid shell
We've needed a Greek since launch.
hasty surge
Is illos the only map without a hero link?
gusty fjord
You know, from the whole evil org that is seemingly working behind the scenes?
valid shell
Nah.
gusty fjord
I agree, Illios as well
valid shell
There's a few now.
prisma wren
when did i say that?
peak escarp
@eternal temple the DVa we see in the game is her public persona, the bubbly streamer celebrity - the Hana Song we saw in the cinematic is her off-screen, talking to a childhood friend and dealing with having to protect her country
gusty fjord
Oh derr, wrong person. Mah bad
eternal temple
@peak escarp that makes a lot of sense
peak escarp
she can be both people
gusty fjord
ditto to that
peak escarp
just look at any streamer and compare their streaming self to them in real life
brisk harbor
Stop now
prisma wren
k
brisk harbor
Thank u
eternal temple
is dva canonically a streamer
prisma wren
yes
gusty fjord
Yeah, I think?
gusty fjord
That's awesome
hasty surge
Probably illos is the only map
Hollywood is unlikely
Bw is most likely never
eternal temple
I thought it was not-StarCraft
peak escarp
she's a streamer, former esports champion, actress and promo girl for several products, as well as being a member of the Korean army
she plays Starcraft 2, but not at the esports level
she's a pro at a different game
eternal temple
I kind of want a wilderness or nature map
Are there any places in lore that could be that
prisma wren
bastion?
eternal temple
is that outside of eichenwalde?
prisma wren
dont think so
eternal temple
Or the black forest
hasty surge
Wildness map that could ve interesting
The closest one we have is blackforest though
valid shell
How much lore will we be gleaning about the other MEKA pilots from their rooms?
peak escarp
their rooms are not open
although, like Hammond, if they ever do become playable their rooms might open up
DVa's room contains some trophies, her computer, and a traditional tea set
limpid agate
What we have is their cameo in the short, and their mechs
Also they all seem to play Fighters of the Storm and eat junk food.
valid shell
Although I suppose we didn't get Mei's coworker's rooms in Ecopoint.
A bunch of tiny rooms likely isn't intuitive for a map, all for the sake of easter eggs.
peak escarp
like I said
if there is any hint that one of them is going to become a hero, that's the first place a hint will show up
their door will be open
or their mech will be gone
hard dove
when pewdiepie become a hero in ow?
valid shell
@hard dove Shitposting will result in loss of access.
hard dove
:c
hasty surge
I haven't actually looked at the map yet, are we able to see Dva's room?
lyric basin
my mad just got friendzoned
also i think d.mon was the first one to get famous and stuff, but then when d.va came she got all the fame and d.mon was jealous
its a pretty cliche theory
cunning ledge
@hasty surge yes
dire timber
@valid shell we didn't really get Mei's room either
regal coyote
Anyone think is is strange for FIVE people playing fighters of the storm?
I mean most likely this would be a 1v1 game. And at best there might be a 2v2 feature in some gases. But 5 people? it does not make sense
Unless this means D.Va is playing the game alone online or something and other people are somewhere else
cunning ledge
quick swapping players between rounds?
iron plume
five people are all playing the one character, voltron-style
cunning ledge
wait no
it's like all those wii games where players two through five can do random background things
regal coyote
Wait wait, from now on D.Va's mech will be nicknamed tokki!
Tokki the pink!
Yay!!!!
Just like D.Mon is nicknamed Beast.
"Dae-hyun works primarily as a mechanic on the mechs (specifically on Tokki–D.Va’s mech). There are other mechanics who help to maintain the different mechs and have other responsibilities around the base." -- Chu
ebon laurel
That's cute
hasty surge
What does Tokki wo tomare mean?
silk badger
Dank.
peak escarp
that would be "toki wo tomare"
not Tokki
FIVE people playing fighters of the storm
two play, the others watch
then swap the next round
tranquil sun
i alwsys enjoy the testing footages at the end of their videos
the weapon ends up really awesome and everything, but the way they use it is so bad it's funny
and damn do i want that 76 jacket
valid shell
@slim pewter That's not lore related.
slim pewter
Woops. My bad. Sorry.
languid zodiac
Ridley from Smash is Like Diablo that wants to be in Smash. Nintendo could just make Diablo an alternate costume for Ridley
valid shell
@languid zodiac Diablo isn't Overwatch lore related.
valid shell
Explain how it's relevant to OW lore.
cunning ledge
Serious Overwatch lore discussion here please
Diablo exists as an arcade game character, I believe
But that's it
cunning ledge
Along with a bunch of other minor references
cunning ledge
yes?
languid zodiac
Dudee
Diablo is like the most iconic Blizzard character
Besides some overwatch people
peak escarp
Diablo is not Overwatch related
valid shell
How embarrassing.
errant elm
@languid zodiac How are we fake fans when you post about Diablo and smash in a strictly OVERWATCH LORE channel?
peak escarp
let him leave