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Hanzo will only join Talon if coerced
He’s not a junket tho
Mage i'm pretty sure you can see every hero joining talon in a certain situation.
Junker*
otherwise, he's not interested
not really
Grr I want evil people to be sad about Shut up 😦
McCree would also never join
thanks
Basically any overwatch agent that hasn't turned
dont try to make everyone take side
Zen is most probably the most improbable
^
some people are going to be neutral-ish and fickles around their own goals
Liao in talon
Bastion is neutral
it's just some people who just work for themselves
and not everyone wants to be the classical hero/villian
Unless someone fucks up his forest
Bastion in talon would be funny af
I’d say Bastion is the most neutral. Lol unless his programming is messed with again.
But I think as long as Ganymede is there
^
yea sombra is talon so its a possibility
Bastion would be able to cope
or at least working with them
Orisa in Overwatch side or nah
She’s not in Overwatch
new map looks like orange hana mura
what if overwatch are actually the bad guys 
Talon probably has more money
I mean, I still kinda think they are.
what would make you think that tho
Eh, ow has a lot shady buisness we've seen.
I need someone in talon
Wut
ptr queue takes forever
what if mercy is talon lmao
Bastion in talon is really scary tho
Widow doesn’t miss on a snipeout
They’d die
let me fantasize fsksgkygkif
And Ana survived bleeding out because Talon sent people
bastion is strong but he's still just an omnic war bot.
It’s easy to brainwash her
most ow members have gone vs his kind time and time again.
Everything she had died or left or just went up and about
Dude. Bastion is like the weakest hero lore wise
poor bastion
eh not the weakest
Rein can kill one easily
but def down there.
Oh yeah. Sorry. Not weakest. But definitely bot inspiring feats wise.
An OR-14 has more chance against a Crusader than Bastion. Lels
Agree. Orisa is best hack target.
MEKA not so much. Because hacking a MEKA is not the same as being skilled in controlling it like Song.
Or you know
yeah
A swiss hq ruins map would be pogchamp
That stupid giant robot in Volskaya lels
same
or even like a talon base
eh actually
Well Rialto is more like a talon city.
the mansion got a council room and everything
If Overwatch vs Talon Overwatch wins
Else the game would’ve benn called Talon
no they're just seperate movies
true but stories never truly end. lmao.
Maybe avengers is doing full reboot lol
How would Overwatch and talon end
OW wins with a few of Talon joining them
Why talon join them lul
Widow and Reaper become good
Talon is 2 rich and has too many men for OW in the current state
Widow only becomes good when talon allows her 2
and Reaper, doubt it
Yeah sure in current state
at this point ow needs funds
I was talking when OW has properly reformed
and from what we know about heroes, we need a rich guy, whith parents mrutally murdered
10 years
rich people should have their parents murdered before they can be heroes as we know it
the best hope for New OW
is some of the current heroes joining them
and some OGs coming back
OW is like 3 members right now
so a rich guy with dead parents is the trope of hero they need
New ow is like secret group
A lot of people would be opposed to the reformation of overwatch
i think while the game is still relevant would be the best time
you mean like a DBZ movie, or Avatar or worse the new ghostbusters? (srsly who make the new ghostbusters should drink lots of bleach)
If ttg gets a movie
ow movie might be good tho
Why can’t Overwatch
the shorts are good
OW movie won’t be good
The thing is with ow, is that you would really need to do it full CG
or else it would suck
Guys look at Warcraft
If OW would have a movie it has to be now before they get the lore wrong
Lol first strike
yeah but that's warcraft, a game which has been out quintuple the time of ow
If they wait OW would have to much lore for the directors to not make mistakes
I'd rather just simply longer animated shorts that are more episodic slowly telling a movie
or lucio
Symmetra
And like the main cast is like what new overwatch and talon
Mcree kinda
Soldier and ana could be in
Thing is new overwatch still needs people
Movie is a bad idea
and they need a lot
Even though they're not in new overwatch
yeah you can get a bunch of fotters
that will get one shot by reaper on the battlefield
they need heroes.
Rein, Brigitte, Torb, Bastion and Genji join?
They could
Bastion doubt it
But they need more
brig and rein yes
Bastion is with torb
Bastion is with Torb
They probably will all join
I must answer always?
It’s just a matter of time
yeah it seemed like that was his call
What does Talon have?
They have tons of troops
All their op leaders
Reaper sucks at fighting but he can't die
Well fuck a duck
you can't really kill reaper
Reaper lost like 3 times
He jus sucks
the real question is
even with all this talon vs ow mumbo jumbo
there still leaves a much larger threat
the omnics
still something which sneaks up on every part of the world.
The overwatch lore is just so diverse
There'd have to be like multiple movies and I don't think that'd be a good idea
to be fair it's fun speculating but I wish we had more concrete stuff.
Nah
they just need 3 things
make short stories
for characters
make more comics
I think most of you guys need to catch up on a lot of stuff
like, I had to correct you on some pretty basic stuff
like Mercy and Tracer aging normally, or Lucio, Zen, D.va and others not being part of Overwatch
I knew those things lmao
Why do people think mercy doesn't age
I shudder to think what I missed
Eventhough Mercy’s aging she can still be a doctor though?
People irl look young
mostly speculation.
At like 60
mostly because of "Are You With Us"
it showed Jack and Ana as younger than they should've been at the time
which made people think it was an Omnic Crisis picture
I mean Mercy’s probably going to join OW sometime right?
which had Tracer and Mercy on it
@errant elm she'll only join if she sees it as the best way to protect people
otherwise
she believes Overwatch was shut down for a reason
Blizzard isn’t going to completely leave a hero out
and that reason, being, you know
To be fair you could also dictate that his hair grew grey fast due to stress but that's again just my personal speculation.
Blackwatch activity, and Moira being allowed to weaponize her tech without her knowledge or permission
Maybe after Talon has been taken down
and it'll take a bit of convincing
I dont think she really would trust them anymore
We just need smth to give OW stability
Yeah but she has to get story someway pr another
Mercys tech is getting screwed up a lot
@gray pilot nah, they should've looked older in those picks
Ana and Moira...
it's confirmed
yeah def
ik that
but still little things you can add to make it slightly make more sense.
Hammond joining OW when?
there's a difference between almost
and being a scientist.
quite a large margin there.
Hammond will save OW from a defeat against Talon
I cant really see hammond joining unless they add some lore
To him
And there's no way for him knowing it exists
As of now winston probably doesn't even know he is still alive
And then we’ll see Winston looking happy in the sky as he sees Hammond flying in
A tear on his cheek
And everyone regains motivation
Tbh Hammond flying in and saving OW would be pretty legit
That’s what I’m talking about
No sombra hack on cooldown cuz she hacked Orisa
then what if she emps
5 year cooldown

But the hack has been made useless cuz Efi comes in and fixes orisa
Hack efi then
Oof
This channel always becomes a mess when a new cinematic drops.
Remember when ppl thought efi was a hero
"lol waht if teh bird is actualy controlling bastion XDXD"
Remember when people though Hammond was a chimpanzee
Yes I do remember that
Remember double Winstons playable in regular matches?
Ganymede controls bastion
What if we got a stripper hero?
But than she becomes Hammond
And still fucks everyone up
Okay I’ll stop
feels extremely unease for a discussion to have both stripper and efi in it
If the Meka team were to be playable heroes, what would their abilities be?
Please no echo fighters
Except in a mini game or smth
one character jump up and stand on top of the mka and yell really loudly, then they mash all meka together to make a giant robot, and reach for the underground pulling out a fiant sword from a volcano, and split the enemy in half, of which it explodes a few seconds later after the theme song
Honestly they'd probably just be echo fighters
^
Lol
Wait
no it is super hero animation
you can only attack if you yell out the move name first
What if we got this ancient hero
and you cannot transform unless you scream the catch phrase, and transform process took like a minute in front of the enemy, and they will not attack you
Who like is that old that he lived during the time there were no omnics
@regal coyote so like I’ll yell ultimate attack that takes days to form
The fuck is this topic.
And nothing happens with the enemy
Same
@errant elm nami
You mean as like a kiddo
I could infer that Rein was a kid and the omnics were peaceful
Just some old guy who was born before the omnics excisted
He’d be d e a d
so i feel like blizzard doesn't really understand korea and assumes they can treat it like an extension of japanese pop culture
Lol
Yes
Overlord's drones would heal and attack
like you send them to your allies using the auto lock
huh
Is this fanfiction?
Are you pitching an OC?
Oh yeah mb
Because that doesn't happen here.
Is this even lore anymore?
No fanfiction.
Yeah that would be realistic for overlord
Overlore
holy shit
Lmfao
I swear
Nani el que
we're still talking about what the other mechs could be equipped with
and that can be talked about
without gameplay context
the temple is inspired by an actual temple in busan
It is lore cuz he has prove
am I wrong
@valid shell speculating is not, discussing what we know of their mech would be
Overlord has a drone
I think the mechs could be each role in game
get that stick out
but the writings on Dva's cast has things like "Dva-chan" "Hana-chan"
in Korean writing
like,w e know overlord have a central gun, and has drones, and is able to hide its legs, so some transformtion module it seems
but that kind of title isn't used in Korean
Does Overlord even have legs
This binge guy is always trying to look for things people say that are non lore related
it looks like a VTOL type mech to me
it's literally Japanese and people in Korea only use it as a joke
I don’t think so
the way green princess parks in the garage shows it can somewhat transform too
and not to the frequency that you'd see people plaster it on someone's cast like that much
Overlord is the blue guy
it's his codename
like how Hana is D.Va
her whole squad have their own codenames
I want D.Mon the most
she seems to be the D.Va rival I always wanted
oh, also, the "kuishin" name for omnics is also very un-korean
yes, the word exists in Korean, but it's more reserved for something that's very elusive
not something that has a towering presence and destruction
i'd assume blizzard wanted to name it like Oni from Japanese lore
and then assumed the direct translation would be kuishin
demon would be akma
Her squad was part of the overwatch in the golden age of ow?
No
oh you're talking about this dmon guy
yeah anyway, i'm pretty disappointed by Blizzard acting like they're this developer team that has deep understanding of Korea and stuff
but treats it like a derivative of Japanese pop culture
it's really not that hard to hire a Korean person or ask someone with a Korean friend to see if it doesn't feel weird
the female D.Va rival who I wanted but I always said she would have a faster and sleeker mech with a DPS role. But it seems I got half of what I wanted. I possibly got the girl, but her mech turned out to be a big brute tank instead
but hey, all Asians are the same, right?
instead Casino seems to have the fast and sleek mech
Not all Asians are the same
something that's very elusive = sounds about right to me, showing up like that with the sneaky tentacle omnic
we do in UK
did i really need to put a /s on that
Personally I call anyone from Asia (Indians, east Asians like Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc) asians
because guess what
they're all Asian
but everyone is the same really. in the end all humans are the same ... if you skin them
creepy
lol
oh
but seriously though, i hope blizzard does more cultural research before they try to act like OW is a game that represents inclusivity and diversity
because what they did shows to me that they didn't care enough to research korean culture
korean traditional garb as a whole is called hanbok
similar to japanese traditional garb as a whole is called kimono
the skin in OW is called palanquin because that's apparently what the wooden carriage translates to in english
yeah i'm just disappointed about dva's cast having dva-chan and hana-chan in korean as if they're a part of the korean language widely used by koreans
because it's an exclusively japanese way to address someone
this a agree
other than weebs trying to be japanese, and even then they would only use it as a joke
Koreans are all weebs
and not to the frequency that you'd see it that many times on someone's cast
Makes we wonder what the themes of the other mechs are
Disgusting weebs
Perhaps Casino is meant to be race car themed
maybe he was the F1 driver
that Chu mentioned
for sure he is
look at the mech transformed and the pointed tip of the mech
since apparently his name is unisex
so now that dva isn't a SC pro, i demand to know what game she was a pro in
like what genre
obviously it doesn't have to exist
pokemon pro
and he looks kinda ambiguous in gender
I hope we get Casual dva with the hat
I think it could be a mecha game
with twin stick controls
like her mech
that's why she was able to transfer her skills
She also seems to have some experience in engineering
she's a mecha geek
would make me love her more
considering Ryusei is one too
he was also recruited as a mecha pilot from playing a game
that's what D.Va reminds me of from that part
anyway @regal coyote
Where do you see the transformed mode of Casino's mech?
Is it the Busan map?
I still need to take a look
look at how the one in the busan is parked and how it looks in combat
yes
and a sleek speed mode?
so some meka have transformation ability
dude Casino needs to get in
i would say the blue one might have it
I w g p
yes, like a YF
I want another helix member
then he transforms into a lower to the ground speed mode which is shaped more like a race car
the mobility on this thing
exactly so he is the F1 racer
basically a jet mode and a gerwalk mode
Does d.va’s mech have games on it
Maybe it transforms into what they’re professionally good at
it's a race car shape and it stays on the ground like a car, but it has similarities to a jet too because it might hover instead of having wheels
basically it's like one of those cars from Cyber Formula
the futuristic race cars
with jet engines
only shit people have cars on the ground.
alo cars float and hover
cyber formula... i dont think we can reach zero, or can he?
fuck he does look a bit like that green hair guy speaking of which, in old school cyber formula
lol
(too bad no more of the series ever. the director fucks things up with his wife on the side, case in point gundam seed destiny)
his mech in race car mode would travel along the water's surface
he can only fly up in battle mode
his wife is dead
RIP
oh =.=
@cedar moon
D.Va's mech would transform into a giant game cartridge lol
real talk though
D.Mon's mech not only has a shield but I really hope it has a beam sword too
and actually
I've seen someone else think that too lol
not surprising but it's nice
the yellow one is a slower d.va clone, with bigger gun arms and more missiles.... so king is like one of those missile mule mech in old macross
from busan map the missile are huge
yet another anime magic how he can stuff hundreds of those things in his mech
priority goes to D.Mon I feel, for who of MEKA gets added next
more like burst damage
support
drones would suffice
it is tried and true playable concept though, look at GvG
Maybe next event is the Kinshi attack :0
Luka uses the Ghost drones
usually the speedster is the assassin type, and the assassins in this game are DPS, like Genji and Tracer
Casino can be DPS
true
wait the blu does not seem to even have legs
but it does ahve drones attached to his back wing
Yeah I thought so
it's a VTOL
or looks like one
at least
it's probably the least mech out of them
legs are decorations only
more like aircraft
you people on top can never understand
but he's still part of the squad
nah man
legs can kick
I bet D.Mon can kick with those rocket boosted legs
that should be an ability
We have a puncher
yeah D.Mon
DMon is different that is super robot
Now we need doomfoot
overlord is reality type and follows more normal physics rules
Physics in overwatch?
yes, like the basketball
Oh sht
anyway sorry for going on for so long about MEKA since the release of the short
I just love mecha and I was looking forward to seeing D.Va's team for a long time
Can't help it
it's also really fun to speculate
Doomfoot would be too op
we havent got a weaponized feet person
Just stomp and everyone is stunned
Now i want it
just stomping around
theres also gonna be a DPS poison chemicals guy at soem point if the little guy in the hazmat suit ever happens
Doomfoots ult would be like rein earthshatter
Maybe
Or that would be a smaller ability like orisa and her mini grav surge
yea, Ana and Widow are the most people can tolerate for DoT I'm sure
So in the new cinematic is that Hana's friend or brother?
Friend
Alright, was a little confusing at first for some weird reason
She literally says "good friends" so
Yea
Dae-Hyun is her best friend and mechanic @vague brook
Can we have our animated series with a flood of lore now please?
Perhaps one through Activision Blizzard Studios (Film and TV arm) done with their partnership with Dreamworks (See Skylanders on Netflix) where a number of Blizzard staff have been spotted over the last year
@limpid agate and friendzoned friend? 😛
So I guess Tokki has 2 mechanics now
D.Va and Dae-hyun
And yes I'm gonna use her mech's name to refer to her mech sometimes
One thing I dont like is how Blizzard keeps creating characters that don't do anything just so the hero can have a dialog rather than a monologue.
Same with the rest of the squad
Dae-Hyun did about as much as Lynx-17
Since we now have different meka’s we should indeed use tokki
Dae-Hyun will see more though
Dae-Hyun was working on smth at the end and it was hidden
And not in an accidental way
Overlord has probably the most badass names though
He's called Overlord
His mech is called Mastermind
Yeah but do you really want a hero to be called Overlord?
Yes
Overlord would be cool
I named my computer overlord
He might be that summoner archtype everyone (ie me) wants
Besides he would actually bring new things to the table
Okay, you’re right
Also worth mentioning, if he is a Summoner
He is the only one of the 5 who has reason to be a Starcraft pro
Couple questions:
- the pilots that are crossed out just have their mechs out of commission or are rip?
- was one of them Dva’s mom?
We don’t know if it is a support drone
I don't know why people say the mechs are similar when they're not
@severe oxide They're all alive
They're seen later in the short
You see them in an interview later, all injured
Well they could be any other drone
I just watched the short once without looking for details yet
The beam doesn’t really suggest dps
First thoughts?
Her sister maybe then
I dont think they're family
@limpid agate I'm very interested what you think of the short
Most likely rivals
They have similar names and similar battle names
Why would you pick a battle name similar to your rival
you don’t
I was disappointed by the short. @rain arrow
you both pick a name with a gimmick
They could be friends
Her name is Yuna Lee
and then they’re your rival
If anything they look kinda like the gamer tags people in the same team would use
It was not bad, but it was not that great either.
@limpid agate why is that? Not to debate but curiosity
My favourite part of it was the origin story stills
They probably became rivals after naming themselves
Since when is Lee a Korean last name
@sharp orbit Where did you get last names?
Well I can't confirm
@limpid agate It’s just an introduction
Im gonna check that now
In the MEKA base
lee is a korean last name
I guess
It's scary how much Korean engineering >>>>>>> German engineering and Swedish engineering
Defense Matrix is even more overpowered in the canon, and the mechas are built to take on Kaiju-omnics.
Crusaders
Rein’s armor is mostly lindholm tech by now
Torb probably just reverse engineered Rein's original suit
Korean engineering can’t even withstand a single blow from an omnivore without starting to fall to pieces
And made the current armour
Omnic
@severe oxide They are most likely friends who became rivals after naming themselves similar
You’re just making headcanons now
@rain arrow The short looked nice and had some cool details and developed her personality to show her semi-serious side, but... It didnt accomplish much after that. The dialogue felt like it was mostly forced exposition, the kaiju was just put into a flashback still as defeated. Other than the Origin Story stills, the rest of her crew is never even seen, let alone their mechs or them actually fighting in them. DVa is still detatched from the rest of the cast, and even the plot that happened was just DVa being the best at everything and not needing anyone else, even if the point of the short was the exact opposite. She didnt develop as a character over it, and the asking for help thing felt forced, especially as she still did most of the job herself afterwards.
Also her buddy is a mechanic, and he's shown to be relaxing and eating while DVa does all the mechanic stuff.
I thought that was silly and just pushing her more into "best at everything" territory
I really need to see the rest of the mechs in action, especially Beast and Casino's mech with its possible transformation gimmick
What own project?
So now we know one of the ults in the game, rather than being based on a canon ability, it’s just based on a single traumatic even in the hero’s life
At the end we saw him working on smth
Do you mean at the end, where he is finally helping DVa with her mech's legs?
It’s as if Genji had an ult based on him dying
This is what he is working on
Mercy has an ult where her parents die
Is that Dva’s legs?
Yes
They look like hoofs
They're not attatched
Didn’t know Dva had hoofs
Man
@limpid agate thanks for the explanation
What's with them making another Tokki like by themselves
Where's the support from other MEKA maintenance crew
It's like they've been left on their own
Maybe they want to do it alone
Dae-Hyun is Tokki's maintenance crew
Do we have any details placing this short temporally?
Nope
Are there normal people here
Not even in the news reports?
Like timeline?
Others are scaring me
This is the first mention of DVa outside the "Overwatch is Back" article
Sure come and join a Dva discussion
And DVa was famous for a while already
Yay!
I dunno I was going on and on about the mechs like a madman
There’s no reason to not assume it’s present
It can be any time
There’s no like “mondatta shot last month in London “ written somewhere or something
I mean what else is there to discuss
Lmao
November is the next thing
Mhm
But unless found proof saying smth else I’ll say it’s present
@sand kraken jewvia is here so things are more....civil
Who is here?
Scary mod
@sand kraken jewvia the mod
Dunno her or him
Senjewvia
Wait until Jewvia leaves, then it’s me posting funny screen grabs from poorly drawn panels from the overwatch comics
Oops sorry lmao
Yeah the one in orange
The whole of the Reflections comic is like a huge visual shitpost
Jewvias views kinda line up with mine but I won't say more
Ah I see
Are you the same person?!
What?
His views line up with Jewvia’s
No, Jewvia can actually argue points
Uh huh.. whatever you want to say
Whatever the case, more information coming so that's exciting
Bionade?
Bionade?
Yeah I'm already excited
Ana's grenade
Yeah
She says walk it off
that has nothing to do with the nade
Np
she says it any time she heals
But is hero 29 really going to be junkerqueen?
We already have a new mech hero and a mech related short
I will be very surprised if we saw another Meka before atleast a year
Or ever really
Next year maybe in 2 years
Either way is possible
This time they can gain a mech for an ult for a few seconds
But I can see D.Mon being in
To keep the variety up
Id rather get Overlord
He does have a cool name
Depends on if Dmon uses her shields as weapons
^^^^
I think she'll have a giant beam sword
Change the behavior
She can't spam it like Brigitte
It's one swing at a time
At higher damage
If Dmon has shields as weapons it would be like a barrier in the middle of Rein’s and Brigitte’s
D.Mon and La Princesse for me
No but like the secondary shield would be to similar
Those are the ones I want the most
Especially since La Princesse seems to be able to transform
Probably to a race car like mode
For super speed
I’m not really feeling La Princesse
Lucioball is cannon. Its a video game
I like speedsters so I want it
Would be hard to implement it in the game
Also wonder if this is DVa's game?
Possible
And just for completion sake, here's Maplestory
Aww!!
i wanna dig into busan so badly
Pachimariii
but that'll have to wait
Ikr!!
Blizzard should make little pachimari arcade games
Like a 2d platformer, a candy crush etc
@untold cradle apparently there are a lot of little Easter eggs on the map
Also, just some companies
Like most maps
interesting
Obligatory starcraft reference
Some tech company with Omnic Lucio as its mascot
Drone security, I assume similar to Hyde before they went boom
Hyde?
Hyde Global, the company that Junkrat and Roadhog blew up in their comic
Oooohh
Wait boys
Isn’t showing the meka’s a bit like Doomfist’s gauntlet
Blizzard shows it, people want it, Blizzard gives it
So a high chance for a new meka
The Queen
There’s this Liao guy right?
Probably not the next hero but maybe in the future
Yeah def not the next hero
Maximillien, Liao maybe
An Overwatch founder
And that’s all what we know?
That is all the lore we got from him I think
And maximillien is?
Oh yeah that boy
Wasn’t there some “leak” of a rts hero and people thought he could be it?
Rts hero?
Some vague leak about 3 heroes. The first I don’t remember, second had like electric walls or smth and the third controlled other units
But that was some time ago
Before Moira even
Maximillien doesn’t look like the fighter type
True
So Liao?
So the Queen?
Liao is a nothing right now
Lol
he could be brought back but I’d expect some more fanfare beforehand if they do
We atleast know he exists
Yeah, it could even get revised and say he didn't ever exist
And the queen would be odd with all the mech stuff recently
aside from Queen, there’s Sanjay, Hamid, Lynx and Maxi
Yeah but Moira was a thing
Who are Sanjay, Hamid and Lynx?
Sanjay is the vishkar manager who’s on talon council
Hamid is an Oasis archaeologist mentioned on Petra
Lynx is the omnic Zarya worked with in Searching
they’re all pretty stretchy leads
Hamid sounds like something that could work