lore-discussion

[cedar moon]

Tbh I want junkerqueen only for voice lines and interactions

[errant elm]

But like to expand on lore what heroes could they add

[frank gorge]

i thought we got d.va out of the way

[dire timber]

I mean, it's probably assisted

[errant elm]

I don’t mean what heroes need lore

[dire timber]

but she does shoot them down

[frank gorge]

add lucio's dad tbh

[dire timber]

Lucio's dad is probably dead

[frank gorge]

oh

[cedar moon]

How

[brisk harbor]

If they add Junkerqueen we can learn why Junkrat and Hog got kicked out

[dire timber]

he's only referred to in past tense

[frank gorge]

oH RIGHT

because he's- yeah

[cedar moon]

Symmy doesn’t like killing

[errant elm]

But junkrat and hog are isolated from everyone else

[frank gorge]

sym doesn't even know lucio's dad made the skates

[errant elm]

And they’ll probably never meet anyone

[dire timber]

"Your father was a Vishkar employee. He understood our vision. A shame he never educated you."

[frank gorge]

oh

[cedar moon]

Holy shit

Low blow

[errant elm]

They can’t just add a hero that is with Overwatch right?

[frank gorge]

so Lucio stole skates and an extra loud speaker, and then became famous

speaking of adding overwatch heroes

[brisk harbor]

They can

[frank gorge]

where the fuck is liao

who the fuck is liao

[dire timber]

Liao is in the retcon limbo

[frank gorge]

who are the other people in the photo

[errant elm]

But how would that work?

[dire timber]

Shrodinger's Liao - until mentioned again, they're both canon and non-canon at the same time

[frank gorge]

dont tell me they're only there to make the photo seem more complete

[errant elm]

We’ll just suddenly have a new person that’s with the new OW?

[brisk harbor]

Overeatch literally split up

Yeah pretty much

They could get winstons message

[errant elm]

Sounds cheap and easy

[severe oxide]

I hate that out of all the community suggestions and influences, they decided to make canon the D.Va doritos

[dire timber]

over the course of two years, we only got Mei to join

[frank gorge]

junkrat and roadhog were shown alongside talon in moira's gameplay trailer, but that's probably just because they needed bad characters to be together

[errant elm]

They could do it for one hero but not more

[dire timber]

Rein and Genji are "on the way"

[errant elm]

Brigitte?

[frank gorge]

hanzo is in a state of limbo, almost

[errant elm]

Torb and Bastion?

[frank gorge]

genji seemed to direct the call to hanzo, but he didn't do anything

[errant elm]

Yeah what’s happening with Hanzo?

[frank gorge]

hanzo is implied to be traveling right now

and eating cake

[dire timber]

Genji returned to Nepal, for reasons

[errant elm]

So Hanzo is useless right now

[worthy rose]

Everyone is useless right now

[errant elm]

Genji returned to Nepal, Zenyatta?

[worthy rose]

The story has gone nowhere

[frank gorge]

are the overwatch league sprays canon?

[dire timber]

I think all besides the bar one

[frank gorge]

if so, hanzo somehow met up with zarya, sombra, and mccree

oh

[errant elm]

What’s McCree doing?

[frank gorge]

so bastion is now a member of the lindholms

[dire timber]

the bar one is incompatible with the lore

[frank gorge]

nice

[errant elm]

Zarya needs to do smth against Sombra?

[dire timber]

but otherwise, the teamups line up

Bastion is with Torb

Brig is with Rein

[frank gorge]

some game elements line up with canon

they said bastion's passive "ironclad" is named so to signify the armour and repairs torb did to him

[dire timber]

yeah

[errant elm]

So if Blizzard just gave Rein Brig Torb and Bastion to Overwatch

[frank gorge]

so canonically, bastion is now MY TURRET 2

[errant elm]

Genji and Zen go and do their stuff

[dire timber]

canonically, Torb's not that affectionate towards his turrets

[frank gorge]

torb is super tsundere towards bastion

lmfao

[worthy rose]

rlly?

[errant elm]

What is even happening right now? Why did Winston recall OW?

[dire timber]

@errant elm you know, all the stuff happening

[frank gorge]

he's like STOP FOLLOWING ME, SHOO FINE I'LL MAKE YOU ARMOR BUT ITS NOT LIKE YOU AND I ARE FRIENDS

[dire timber]

the second Omnic Crisis in Russia

[peak escarp]

Winston saw the state of the world and decided they needed to do something

[dire timber]

the Kishin in Korea

(and yes, I'll keep calling it Kishin)

[sand kraken]

K I'm back

[errant elm]

Yeah but why aren’t they doing.... somethung?

[sand kraken]

Has this chat quiet down?

Everyone ok again? xD

[dire timber]

(I rewatched the video, there's no way they're saying "Gwishin")

[peak escarp]

Kishin is better than calling it Kaiju

[errant elm]

So just recall OW and then nothing happens?

[frank gorge]

is it canon that doomfist wants hanzo in talon

or is that just a game interaction

[dire timber]

ah, he also wanted to do something about Talon

[sand kraken]

O

[dire timber]

so yeah, these are the problems the word is facing

[peak escarp]

@errant elm it's only been about a year in-universe since the Recall, and we haven't even seen everyone's answer yet

[errant elm]

So why aren’t OW doing something?

[frank gorge]

because the lore hasn't progressed

[errant elm]

Yeah so give us some fk answers

[frank gorge]

they'd do something if the lore went forward a bit

also wait

[peak escarp]

Maybe they have done something and we just haven't seen it yet

[frank gorge]

the other day there was a talk about why genji would be promoted

[errant elm]

Like the game is called OW, but OW does nothing

[frank gorge]

genji has a different ID in the recall than his blackwatch ID

the same ID given to higher ranks

[peak escarp]

Yes

[frank gorge]

so it's implied that at some point, genji was promoted to the main ranks of overwatch and given his better armor

[peak escarp]

Yes

[frank gorge]

which is why he was in the mission against doomfist

[errant elm]

Oh yeah they went and fought doomfist

[peak escarp]

This is something I theorized back when Retribution came out

[frank gorge]

moira's ID is really low at the time of recall, implying that they did not trust her at ALL

[errant elm]

What’s happening to Mercy btw?

[frank gorge]

mccree's is the same as normal overwatch agents, so its implied that mccree was trusted

mercy in current lore is just

"im doctor"

[peak escarp]

McCree was Reyes's 2ic

[errant elm]

So Mercy’s basically nothing?

[frank gorge]

at the moment

[errant elm]

Blizzard needs to make some moves

I think they are taking it slow because they want the game to last a long time so the lore needs to dure for a long time

It’s bot like WoW where you can just get another world in

[peak escarp]

Mercy is working as a field doctor somewhere in the middle east

[gray pilot]

hmm this vid made me really rethink the D.va cinematic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO21IGThWuk

[brazen flare]

They should do macree next

We need macree lore

[peak escarp]

I'd like to see McCree respond to the Recall

[errant elm]

What would McCree even do?

[brazen flare]

well it would be his backstory

[peak escarp]

But he has plenty of lore already

[brazen flare]

like every other cinematic

[errant elm]

No backstory

[dire timber]

anyhow

[errant elm]

Dva wasn’t backstory

[brazen flare]

Was the cinematic sith symetra a story animation or just a genberal one

[dire timber]

I want Team Lindholm to join up with Team Winston

[peak escarp]

Mei wasn't backstory - it happened in the present

[brazen flare]

that was basiclaly backstory

[dire timber]

and I want Genji to join Team Winston

[errant elm]

Yes get Rein with OW

Maybe Genji could join Zenyatta

[peak escarp]

Rein is with OW

[dire timber]

I think Genji and McCree should show up at the same time

for old times' sake

[peak escarp]

Genji is with Zenyatta

[cedar moon]

Question

[dire timber]

Rein, Brig, Torb, and Bastion should first meet eachother

[gray pilot]

I wish they would've named d.va's short self destruct

[dire timber]

and then meet up with Winston

@gray pilot ... why?

that'd be an incredibly a lame name

[errant elm]

Yeah but like we see that Zen and Genji meet again

[brazen flare]

which charecter do we know the least about then

[peak escarp]

@dire timber it's implied that they already have

[cedar moon]

If jack Morrison is the leader and “died” is Winston’s leader now

[gray pilot]

Because it matches her personality in the short

[dire timber]

it's implied they met with eachother

[errant elm]

We want to see it happen

[dire timber]

but not that they met with Winston

[peak escarp]

Right

But Rein said he was going to

[dire timber]

yep

they're probably on their way

[peak escarp]

So it's only a matter of time

[dire timber]

the way Genji is

[errant elm]

We’ll probably see a cinematic or comic of people (re)joining OW

[peak escarp]

I can see Genji returning, maybe bringing Zen in

[errant elm]

I don’t think Zen would fit OW

Zen should be on a mission of his own

[peak escarp]

Only 2 more months til Blizzcon

[errant elm]

Zen wants peace between omnics and humans

So joining OW who fought against the omnics wouldn’t be right

[white cobalt]

D.Va is one of the most beloved heroes in Overwatch, and her animated short was a good way for us to highlight that. D.Va’s story has not merged with the main Overwatch story yet because we are building up to something bigger. The Overwatch universe is about heroes coming together. There are more chapters to come in D.Va’s story that will show her interactions.

something bigger

[peak escarp]

OW fought the omnics in the past

[white cobalt]

https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/6002/overwatch-fan-festival-interview-with-jeff-kaplan-about-busan-dva-and-torbjörn-remake

[peak escarp]

Then it worked on peace between people and omnics

New OW would be a great platform for Zen to teach people

[rain arrow]

@white cobalt I'll get that up in a sec

Good find

[errant elm]

Meh, I think that Zen being alone or with Genji would be better

[peak escarp]

I think someone shared that earlier

[errant elm]

Maybe get in touch with OW but not joining

[deft ice]

just saw the new cinematic, ccan anyone tell me whjat are kishin omnics?

[white cobalt]

The bigger omnics

[errant elm]

The big fat baddy

[deft ice]

ah

[hasty surge]

I think taehyun good me a good repair hero

[peak escarp]

Kishin are the omnics attacking Korea

[errant elm]

Repair hero?

[hasty surge]

what about kaiju onmics

[deft ice]

are only specific countries still under attack by omnics every now and then?

[errant elm]

Russia and South Korea I think

[peak escarp]

Only Korea and Russia, that we know of

[hasty surge]

sorry I meant support hero something like brigitte for reapirs

[deft ice]

hmm

[hasty surge]

aus was destroyed

and england made peace

[deft ice]

i thought england was with only the humanoid omnics

[peak escarp]

"Peace"

Russia and Numbani has humanoid omnics too

[dire timber]

@hasty surge Kishin is used to describe both the colossal omnic and the units from the short

[rain arrow]

@white cobalt given to the mods, great find

[deft ice]

are the humanoid ones the only one that can speak and think like humans?

[peak escarp]

Unknown

[errant elm]

What if we got an omnic hero?

[deft ice]

damn

i want moreeeee

[peak escarp]

We haven't seen non-humanoid omnics that much

[deft ice]

btw was the guy in the video her brother?

[errant elm]

Friend

[peak escarp]

Best friend

[errant elm]

Good friend

Best friend

[hasty surge]

@dire timber I see thanks

finally a video to move the story forward lol

[deft ice]

cool

[hasty surge]

better then expected not just some story we alr know off

[deft ice]

they havent showed any cinematics with the heroes having non heros as friends

[errant elm]

But we don’t really know anything bout special recurring omnics other than the giant one at Busan rught?

[deft ice]

till now

[sand kraken]

Yup I think so Sam

[errant elm]

So an evil omnic hero is off the table?

[sand kraken]

Idk

[peak escarp]

Brigitte was just a friend in Honor and Glory

That was before she was a hero

[deft ice]

true

[sand kraken]

Hmm..

[deft ice]

tho i dont see that guy becoming a hero

[peak escarp]

Maybe Daeyeun will be a hero some day

[errant elm]

Honestly we could give up on the story progressing until hero 30 if we get junkerqueen

[sand kraken]

Am I the only one who kiiinda wants Daeyeun to be a hero?

Just my opinion

[dire timber]

unlikely

[deft ice]

if i knew what he does exactly i could see it too

[errant elm]

I would like it, but I’d rather have Dmon

[dire timber]

he's like a Harold Winston tier civilian

[deft ice]

but all i saw was that hes a tech guy

[dire timber]

just some dude

[sand kraken]

If so, I'd like to know more about him

[deft ice]

they didnt know other mechs in the place where they stay too

show*

[sand kraken]

Maybe he's childhood friends with D.va or something

[north reef]

he might have a hover bike if he becomes a hero

[dire timber]

he is

[sand kraken]

oh?

[dire timber]

they said that during the stream

[sand kraken]

Yeah a hover bike!!

That'd be cool

[silk badger]

ooo

[sand kraken]

@dire timber Ahh I see

[dire timber]

I'm not sure if vehicles are viable in Overwatch

[errant elm]

But what would his weapon be?

[sand kraken]

Maybe he's another tank too

[deft ice]

mech like weapons i guess?

[errant elm]

Hover bike would probably be an ability

[sand kraken]

^^^^

[errant elm]

Maybe he has like a mech arm as weapon

But he’s not in a mech

[sand kraken]

Yeaa

[deft ice]

we have doomfist for that tho

[sand kraken]

2nd doomfist

[hasty surge]

also did anyone realised why did the Korean government leave their coastal so exposed? it seems unrealistic in war time lol

[errant elm]

It’s different enough

They have the Meka’s to defend

[deft ice]

good question, why is Dva's place the closest

[errant elm]

Cuz she defends the city

[deft ice]

yeah but what about other pilots

[errant elm]

Unknown

[peak escarp]

DVa's mech is called Tokki

https://twitter.com/westofhouse/status/1032317006853242880?s=19

Michael Chu 🎭 (@westofhouse)

Tokki! 🐰

Casino: La Princesse Sereine
D.mon: Beast
King: 신기전 (Singijeon)
Overlord: Mastermind8 https://t.co/Iwrxk4Ew2T

Twitter

[errant elm]

But they might not been that driven in their job as Dva

[silk badger]

Their meka's are destroyed (I think?)

[peak escarp]

They can build new ones

[sand kraken]

Yeah

[silk badger]

Yeh-

[peak escarp]

Like DVa is at the end

[deft ice]

like, idk if they stay in that place too

[errant elm]

The others were partying

[silk badger]

Oh

[deft ice]

it is a huge building after all

[sand kraken]

Yeah she's re building her own mech at the end

[errant elm]

They just defended against the regular omnic attack

But suddenly another attack came to soon after

[deft ice]

yeah

maybe they all live in that building

[sand kraken]

^^^^^^

[deft ice]

but the rest were out

[hasty surge]

also why speak in english lol

[errant elm]

Could be

[hasty surge]

where's korean?

[sand kraken]

There's a korean version

In Overwatch KR

[hasty surge]

the rest of the mekas was destroyed though

[errant elm]

How realistic is having Efi has an hero someday?

[silk badger]

Well...

[rain arrow]

@errant elm according to Jeff, the dva short was meant to be more of an introduction and the staff has been working on something bigger that includes her and maybe, just maybe, the rest of her team

[silk badger]

Depends.

[sand kraken]

Ooohh!!

[peak escarp]

Efi is 11

[sand kraken]

More D.va movies in the future?

[deft ice]

been 2 years and finally an introduction lol

[rain arrow]

Now that's something I can get behind

[peak escarp]

She's not going to be a hero any time soon

[errant elm]

Yes I’ve read it @rain arrow

So we call it a peace? Lol

[rain arrow]

@sand kraken sounds more like it's an avevgers like thing

[sand kraken]

YEAAH

[rain arrow]

@errant elm sounds good! With that information, I can give some wiggle room and not treat it as something complete but just the beginning!

[sand kraken]

Omg I'm so happy!!

[errant elm]

Aiit, let’s go power rangers

[hasty surge]

https://youtu.be/ZsUM8UO_ptc

[silk badger]

Woo! D.va lore! xD

[sand kraken]

Yeah!! I absolutely love D.va TwT

[silk badger]

Same!

[rain arrow]

I would love to see dva expanded on more in that big project! Episodic? I'm completely on board! Makes the short make a lot more sense, it's just a start

[sand kraken]

Yaay!!

[hasty surge]

I hope for all of her mekas to be off tank lol

[sand kraken]

I hope to see more about D.va's past

[silk badger]

How so? And same

[errant elm]

I’m hoping the next hero is a stand-alone character or only related to one other hero

[deft ice]

is there even much more to know about her past?

[errant elm]

Her past is just gaming

[deft ice]

genius gamer turns mecha pilot

[peak escarp]

She's only 19

She doesn't have much past

[deft ice]

yeah

[rain arrow]

Let's see the results of that attack! Maybe her mech buddies aren't as devoted as she is! Maybe that omnic attack was a setup to kill dva by one of her allies! Who is jealous of her Fame?! Yes, completely on board

[silk badger]

OOOHHH HELL YES

I'M ALL UP FOR TWISTS

[deft ice]

but the omnics tried to attack the city too

[rain arrow]

It would make total sennnnnse

[errant elm]

PLOT TWISTS!!

Now let’s wait for another 2 years

[rain arrow]

@deft ice yessss but even they thought the attack happened too soon! What if it was on purpose? Kill dva.. She beat them rather easily.. What if her allies we're actually PILOTING THEM!

[peak escarp]

. . .

[errant elm]

Tbh another Meka hero coming? They said they have big plans

[peak escarp]

You don't pilot omnics

[rain arrow]

@peak escarp exactly

[peak escarp]

They're sapient entities

[rain arrow]

@errant elm maybe an old ally? Turn talon?

@peak escarp yes but what if it was only made to look like an omnic attack?

[silk badger]

Wait

[peak escarp]

Those were clearly omnics

[dire timber]

let's not jump to baseless zany theories

it would not make sense, it would be fucking stupid

[sand kraken]

@errant elm @rain arrow Where did you guys know about that new D.va cinematics are on the way?

[peak escarp]

They showed up on the sensor as omnics

[rain arrow]

@sand kraken interview with jeff

[deft ice]

but lol

they had tentacles

i can see the "fanart"

already

[north reef]

it probaly was just a tactical move by the omnics since they know dvas friends mekas are currently broken

[sand kraken]

Ahh where can I see that? YT?

[silk badger]

If they were piloted (which I know they weren't), the so called "ally" would have to have multiple others to help her.

OH NO

[rain arrow]

With this being considered just as part of something bigger, way more possibility, would make the short make a lot of sense

[silk badger]

i'm scared-

[peak escarp]

Jeff saying it leads to something bigger doesn't mean we're getting more DVa shorts

[dire timber]

lmao, what is it with the people complaining about the lore always just think it's "bad" because it doesn't follow fanfiction-tier writing

[silk badger]

Oof.

Not sure, honestly.

[north reef]

maybe a dva based map

[deft ice]

i hope they start amping up the amount of story releases

atm the pace is really slow

[peak escarp]

They have consistently put out 2 shorts per year since launch

[rain arrow]

@deft ice well the interview confirmed that they've been working on something that will bring the universe together

[peak escarp]

I don't see that changing

[silk badger]

I would, one day, like to see a short for maybe Moira?

Unless they already did that and... I just didn't see it.

[north reef]

i want to see a mcree short

[deft ice]

yeah but doesnt say how long it'll take

[silk badger]

yES

[dire timber]

my bet is on Pharah, Zen, Lucio, Symmetra

[peak escarp]

They've put out fewer comics this year

[rain arrow]

@deft ice very very true, guess we will wait and see

[dire timber]

one of these will get a short next

[deft ice]

but they did hire that sci-fi writer tho

[silk badger]

True.

[deft ice]

so there is some hope

[silk badger]

reeeee

[sand kraken]

Where can I see the interview?

[rain arrow]

It definitely gets my hopes up, I can forgive the short hands down

@sand kraken one sec

[sand kraken]

Okie

[peak escarp]

There's nothing to "forgive"

[silk badger]

...

[peak escarp]

It was a good short

[rain arrow]

@sand kraken
https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/6002/overwatch-fan-festival-interview-with-jeff-kaplan-about-busan-dva-and-torbjörn-remake

[dire timber]

no, but you see, we didn't get enough of her being a celebrity, even though the very point is that she doesn't care much for that

:^)

[silk badger]

Lmao.

[peak escarp]

We saw her not caring about the spotlight - that's something we didn't really know before

[rain arrow]

@dire timber oh? What about Jeff admitting they didn't add everything to her because they will save it for further expansion

[dire timber]

oh, but how does that expand on D.va? :^)

[rain arrow]

XP straight in the interview

[sand kraken]

Yes!! More D.va confirmed!

[dire timber]

uh, yeah, they didn't cram the entire story into an animated short

cause that's not what the shorts are for

[peak escarp]

They didn't add everything for everyone because they're saving it for further expansion

[dire timber]

the short, however, did expand on D.va's character

[rain arrow]

@dire timber what's that you say? There's so much to her! They expanded so much in her..oh..but Jeff flat out admits they left it out just to highlight her.. Not go into detail

[north reef]

dva is the military

[rain arrow]

:O

[dire timber]

sigh

[silk badger]

Oh hi, you just coming in?

[dire timber]

how long until we can kick this guy out?

[silk badger]

Whomst-

[peak escarp]

@rain arrow that isn't exclusive to DVa

Every hero still has things to be expanded on

[dire timber]

@rain arrow there is much to her, and they did expand on her

[rain arrow]

@peak escarp he said they left it out purely to expand later on her.. Not the others, only that short

[dire timber]

Jeff simply said that there's more in store

[rain arrow]

@dire timber agreed, there is a lot to her.. But not as much as your assuming...as a short by itself, it lacks, BUT with this expected expansion, it can change a lot.

[peak escarp]

He probably meant it in a general sense of "we have more story to tell"

[dire timber]

he said that she hasn't joined the main Overwatch story yet, because they wanted to start by showing who D.va is

[silk badger]

I feel like this expansion stuff is being repeated.

[peak escarp]

Not "we specifically have more DVa story in the works"

[rain arrow]

Not here to fight with you, clearly that's not doing too do anything, just saying... You can assume it to be what you want

My phone.. Why

[silk badger]

._.

[dire timber]

uh

[sand kraken]

Wouldn't it be cool if we get a D.va K-pop skin?

[silk badger]

Ooo yes

[sand kraken]

^^^^^

[rain arrow]

@sand kraken I think wait till she's in a kpop video first...

[dire timber]

we do get the nano skin

https://i.imgur.com/v1cA6hL.jpg

[peak escarp]

Want

That's a nice epic

[silk badger]

I want that-

[sand kraken]

Omg D.va in a K-pop mv

I will selll my soul for that

[peak escarp]

And DVa has no lore-related skins

[rain arrow]

@dire timber btw.. Trying to get me kicked out cause you don't like my opinion.. That's very very immature and frightening

Be civil

[silk badger]

Wh

[sand kraken]

Maybe we will get more lore skins in the future

I kinda want cripple Dva

[rain arrow]

@sand kraken maybe her team mechs instead of just a recolor?

[sand kraken]

Yeah!

[silk badger]

She be unplayable, lmao.

[sand kraken]

Ah but still

[rain arrow]

Maybe...

[sand kraken]

That'd be fun tbh

[rain arrow]

Definitely

[peak escarp]

Making assumptions and claiming them as fact is akin to shitposting

[silk badger]

Hahaha just limping around like "FUCK I CAN BARELY MOVE"

[sand kraken]

Yeah xD

[silk badger]

XD

[sand kraken]

Inb4 Daehyung: DVA WTF UR INJURED

[silk badger]

"BOI IMMA FIGHT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT"

XD

[sand kraken]

Hahaha XD

[rain arrow]

@sand kraken I think it would be nice if she got some coffee
Voice lines with them talking

[silk badger]

It be me

[rain arrow]

.... My phone why

[sand kraken]

Yeah that' d be very nice!

[silk badger]

Ooo

[rain arrow]

@sand kraken but only she can hear it so other heroes would just think she's taking to herself

TALKING

[sand kraken]

Lmao xD

[silk badger]

Sounds like me at school.

[sand kraken]

Same

[rain arrow]

Would be a nice bit of works building

World..

[silk badger]

F

[sand kraken]

F

[silk badger]

I like how I join the discussion but it dies shortly after I join. Lol.

Anyway...

What's a good character to discuss?

[dire timber]

D.va

lol

[silk badger]

Oh.

[sand kraken]

Me

[dire timber]

after all

[sand kraken]

Jkjk

[silk badger]

Hahaha

[rain arrow]

@silk badger reaper is still mostly in shadows (pun intended} try there

[dire timber]

we did have a huge lore drop on D.va today

[silk badger]

Maybe I might discuss a bit about Reaper, and yes, true.

[dire timber]

there's not much to say about Reaper, honestly

[brisk harbor]

Is reapers bio false

[dire timber]

he wants to have his revenge against Overwatch and we don't actually know why

[rain arrow]

@brisk harbor there seems to be a lot of weirdness with him

[dire timber]

like, we don't really drove him to end up like this

we don't know what happened in the Overwatch HQ

we just

don't know anything

[brisk harbor]

Because a reaper is mentioned that has been around for decades

[dire timber]

decades

[brisk harbor]

Oh

Sorry

[dire timber]

my theory is that it's an urban legend based on Reyes' Blackwatch operations

[rain arrow]

@brisk harbor we know that he disliked how overwatch handled criminals and let them get away with a lot and wanted to end problems immediately

[dire timber]

and when Reyes got his smoke abilities from Moira

those abilities became a part of the urban legend

[silk badger]

I just don't understand why he would turn on Overwatch? I'm probably missing something.

[brisk harbor]

We don't know

[dire timber]

then, when he turned against Overwatch and joined Talon

he chose to embrace the legend that formed around him

[rain arrow]

@silk badger talon would get the job done, by any means

[dire timber]

and embrace the mantle of "Reaper"

[brisk harbor]

Jeff kaplan debunked our he hates soldier theory

[north reef]

reapers animated short; the reaper vs a fan

[silk badger]

Oh.

[dire timber]

tbh, people always kinda knew that there was more to the story

like, what Jeff said?

[brisk harbor]

True

[dire timber]

to me, it was nothing new

[silk badger]

I've never heard anything about the theory Jeff explained.

I haven't been playing Overwatch that long tbh. xD

Or looking deeply into the lore to be exact.

[dire timber]

at the the time of Retribution, Reyes didn't hold any grudge against Morrison, or against Overwatch

[slim pewter]

The disconnect is the fact where Reaper did not even need to blow up OWHQ. But it was blown up anyway. Lots of fans seem to be under the impression that Reaper/Talon did it to take out Morrison.

[dire timber]

he truly wanted to keep the world safe

by any means necessary

without being bound by the rules

[slim pewter]

Reyes is Blackwatch. He believed in keeping the peace.

[dire timber]

@slim pewter ... you know, I think Moira did something there

[silk badger]

Moira screwed him up?

[dire timber]

I think after the Venice incident, Moira was kicked out

but Reyes and Moira stayed in contact anyway

[slim pewter]

There’s little to suggest he hated OW. If he wanted to, he could have killed Morrison ten thousand times given that in lore he has immortality.

[dire timber]

I think Moira asked him for some "favors", which unbeknownst to Reyes at the time, were missions for Talon

[slim pewter]

Moira is one of the nastiest characters, agreed.

[silk badger]

Yes-

[dense estuary]

Thing is I would call her more lacking in ethics rather than outright evil.

[slim pewter]

Moira could have held Reyes at proverbial gunpoint. Remember that Reaper’s immortality is eerily similar (not sure if it’s the same) as Moira’s regeneration tech

With that weird drawback of having to take lives before having to work properly

[dire timber]

I think it wasn't that - I think it was like genuine partnership

that they simply kept under wraps

[slim pewter]

Aligned perspectives and goals?

[silk badger]

I don't understand Reaper, lol.

[slim pewter]

That’s a great viewpoint.

[dire timber]

a partnership that Moira wanted to use, to eventually recruit him into Talon

[slim pewter]

Lol Reyes is well worth his position of BW.

[dire timber]

so, it began with "favors"

[slim pewter]

But Moira is also fantheorized to be the cause of the fuckup of Reaper’s anatomy right

[dire timber]

which culminated in the Overwatch HQ clash

after which, Moira revealed herself to Reyes as a representative of Talon

and proposed to get him into the organization

[slim pewter]

Mercy is aghast at what happened to Reaper. Whereas she successfully went the route of cybernetics with Genji, she might not have known to whom Reyes went (Moira). Maybe the partnership indeed is rooted in some sort of mutual stuff between the two

Wish for a Reaper short. A proper one.

[silk badger]

Hell yes

[slim pewter]

Not just juking it out with Winston or Sombra etc

[silk badger]

Low-key, I want to see what Reaper looks like under the mask, Ana's surprise makes me really curious.

[slim pewter]

DVa’s was nice but I think it was too lighthearted except for the obvious Korean reference of overwork and sole responsibility due to societal expectations.

[dire timber]

I think what happened to Reyes is the modifications Moira gave him went wrong due to the damage he sustained in the explosion

[silk badger]

I'm going with the assumption that half of his lips, torn up to the cheek, is missing.

Oh

[slim pewter]

And I won’t blame Blizzard for it since the last few ones were heavy. Bastion and Rein were painful for me.

[dire timber]

he wouldn't have survived that

but he did

thanks to Moira's enhancements

[silk badger]

REIN'S WAS SUPER PAINFUL

[slim pewter]

But Reaper deserves his short because he seems to be this big glue in many of the stories.

[dire timber]

the problem is, it left him in a state of perpetual suffering

[silk badger]

I ALMOST CRIED

Damn.

[slim pewter]

Perpetual suffering is apt.

And eternal bloodlust.

His Death Blossom is freaking scary.

[silk badger]

yeS

Also

Like Tracer, does Reaper never age because of Moria's enhancements.

?*

[slim pewter]

Yes. He is immortal.

Canon and confirmed.

[silk badger]

Ahh okay.

[slim pewter]

Conditional immortality but immortality nonetheless.

[silk badger]

I have no idea why that came up in my mind.

[slim pewter]

He has to absorb life force to keep himself alive.

[silk badger]

There has to be a way to kill him, haha.

[gray pilot]

I wonder if they'll introduce a fully immortal character but like with no quirks

I mean

you could just lock him in a room

he can't escape from

and he'll eventually just die out.

[silk badger]

Oh.

The more I know.

[slim pewter]

Correct. We saw a bit if his weakness in the Sombra short.

[silk badger]

My girlfriend's gonna be terrified of Reaper when I tell her, haha.

[slim pewter]

When Sombra shut the airtight door in Volskaya, he glowered. Because even his smoke form cannot pass through.

[silk badger]

Holy shit

Poor Reaper though, he has to rely on other's lives to actually live, himself.

[gray pilot]

Meanwhile mercy gets to look young because

[gritty creek]

Which channel can be used to rant about the new cinematic

[gray pilot]

... her suit?

[slim pewter]

Such irony, right. You could almost say that his purpose is to kill people to survive. The title Reaper is almost an insult if you think about it.

[gray pilot]

special cream?

who knows.

[silk badger]

Her suit is confirmed to slow down her aging.

And true

[gray pilot]

idk, I still like to believe she has developed the best anti aging cream

ever

[silk badger]

Mei couldn't age because she was in a cryo-chamber, Mercy's suit slows down Mercy's aging.

[gray pilot]

I wonder if soldier is as old as he seems

what is his age anyway?

[silk badger]

Probably 57.

[dire timber]

@silk badger what?

no, Mercy suit got no features like that

[silk badger]

Wh0

Wha-*

[dire timber]

Mercy is only 37

[silk badger]

I thought I heard somewhere that it does-

I am so confused.

[slim pewter]

Soldier is 60 somewhat.

[silk badger]

Oh

[dire timber]

please don't believe random bullshit on the internet

[slim pewter]

Rein and Morrison are almost the same age.

[silk badger]

I'm sorry.

[dire timber]

people believe lots of stuff that's just wrong

[silk badger]

...

[dire timber]

there's so much misinformation out there

[silk badger]

Well, sorry.

[dire timber]

you wouldn't believe

[gray pilot]

I mean to be fair

there is a lot of misinformation because there's no actual information.

[silk badger]

Good point. ._.

[gray pilot]

Ow lore is pretty vague when you think about it

very few things are cut and clear

[dire timber]

there is plenty information

people conflate their lack of knowledge for no information

[silk badger]

.-.

[dire timber]

they haven't done their research, so they think there's nothing to research

[slim pewter]

There is a lot but a lot more BS by overimaginative fans.

One of the worst I actually believed is that the rifle 76 uses is made by Sym’s company. What utter BS. And I swallowed it whole lels

[silk badger]

What the fuck

[slim pewter]

Apparently it was stolen by Morrison somewhere. Lol

[silk badger]

It don' look like anything Sym's company would make.

don't*

[slim pewter]

Exactly. How about the rumor that Lucio is Alejandra’s dad. Lol. Easy to create shit when you have two dots and people wanna ship it.

[sharp orbit]

You know, the gamer turned mecha pilot thing has been done before. So I don't really find it ridiculous with D.Va since it's nothing new to me and I think it's pretty cool

[dire timber]

I used to think Mercy rezzed Reaper

[sharp orbit]

Also what I'm wondering is if MEKA has multiple bases

[gray pilot]

I never really believed in that, it seemed to weird.

[sharp orbit]

I imagine they do

covering each side of South Korea

[gray pilot]

I mean you could always theorize it was like one of mercys first res and it failed but

idk

[sharp orbit]

and they all have their own squads

[dire timber]

Tracer and Mercy both age

[slim pewter]

MEKA I think is kinda like Pacific Rim lol

[silk badger]

Tracer ages???

[dire timber]

yes

she does

[sharp orbit]

@slim pewter Yeah like the bases in Pacific Rim

MEKA probably has bases at each coast

and within the central areas

[silk badger]

Oh

[slim pewter]

Which is why SoKor is still so Utopian.

Whereas the rest of the world is screwed to oblivion

[silk badger]

I was about to say, I thought her Chronic Accelerator prevented her from doing so.

Then I thought about it harder

[sharp orbit]

Also D.Mon's mech has a head which is cool

[silk badger]

It's just to keep her in the present dimension.

Coughs

[sharp orbit]

and I just realised that her mech is porbably demon themed

so it's not just her name

[silk badger]

Voltron

[sharp orbit]

it's the mech colour

[silk badger]

*wHeEze

[sharp orbit]

red

and the name

Beast

[dire timber]

she's only 26

[sharp orbit]

written on the front

[dire timber]

Tracer, I mean

[silk badger]

I know.

[slim pewter]

We should get a MEKA sniper.

Like some freaking Heavy Arms sniper

[silk badger]

I literally said that her Chronic Accelerator was to just keep her in the present dimension.

[slim pewter]

But meh. Too many robots already

[sharp orbit]

That's probably the glasses guy

there's never too many robots

the more the merrier

[green palm]

Zenyatta short when??

[sharp orbit]

but yeah glasses guy is the yellow mech pilot

he looks like the long ranged shooter type

[green palm]

Also when will we get liao

[slim pewter]

Zenyatta x Genji ahort.

[green palm]

Yessss

Need more Zen lore pls

[slim pewter]

Man. The zen on that one

[sharp orbit]

he might have a LONG RANGED BEAM SNIPER

LOL

no but seriously that would be cool

[slim pewter]

A MEKA sniper is so good. And the ultimate is a long range satellite beam attack

Woohoooo

Kinda like FO3 solar beam. Lels.

Okay getting carried away

[dire timber]

@green palm I even have a Zen short all planned out

[sharp orbit]

or his beam sniper does max output shot

[green palm]

Give us Liao already Blizzard 😭

[sharp orbit]

a fuckhuge beam

[dire timber]

already pasted it her today

[green palm]

Do tell

[sharp orbit]

but it has a long charge time

[green palm]

Can you repost

[sharp orbit]

as his ult

[green palm]

Or dm me

[dire timber]

"in the opening arc, Zen talks with Mondatta, and decides to leave the Shambali
then, some time passes, and Zen meets Genji
they clash, and get into a fight, which Zen wins by outsmarting Genji, in part due to Genji's impatience
from that point onward, Genji accepts Zen's offer to become his student"

[slim pewter]

Zen and Genji talking right before that Genji x Hanzo short.

Daaaamn.

[sharp orbit]

also he can use scoped mode in his cockpit

which the player can use

[green palm]

That'd be awesome!

[valid shell]

just got a new short

[green palm]

It's been almost a year

[valid shell]

already speculation about the next

[dire timber]

people are so whiny about this short, honestly

[green palm]

Blizzard needs to make up for all the time passed lol

I loved it

[dire timber]

like, it was great

[green palm]

It's still not the best imo

But D.Va is adorable and it was really good

[dire timber]

it fleshes out so much about D.va, about her life, about her personality, about her MEKA squad

[green palm]

We finally got to see a sad D.Va

[dire timber]

we got to see D.va's human side

[green palm]

Yes

[slim pewter]

D.Va’s is great. I just feel that the undertone of D.Va short flew over a lot of heads.

[green palm]

Usually she's just sassy and bubbly

[sharp orbit]

I loved the D.Va short

[slim pewter]

That she is protecting an oblivious utopia. Locked out from the world.

[sharp orbit]

plus it delivered on what I wanted

a peek at her team mates

and their mech designs

[slim pewter]

A country that sees her as a gamer

[dire timber]

yep

[green palm]

"The destruction caused by the omnics here, it reminds me of home"
Now we know why

[sharp orbit]

I really wanted those things the most

[slim pewter]

But shems actually a soldier

[jaunty fox]

Shows that D.va's image is carefully managed.

[slim pewter]

A very expendable soldier

[dire timber]

I wanted to see D.va's human side, and we got that

[gray pilot]

even at the end it says she came unscratched meanwhile she has a broken leg.

lmao

[green palm]

D.Va is the superior engineer compared to Brigette, just saying

[jaunty fox]

The whole GG gamer gurl thing is an act.

[dire timber]

I wanted to see details of her surrounding, the rest of the MEKA team

and we got that

[green palm]

Omg i noticed that too

They tried to make her seem invincible on the news

[jaunty fox]

Propoganda.

[green palm]

When she had a broken leg and arm

[jaunty fox]

And nearly died.

[green palm]

And literally almost died

Yea

[slim pewter]

Yep.

[dire timber]

yeah, that whole "gg nerf this winky face ;)" gamer girl act made her come across as obnoxious and kinda psychotic actually

[gray pilot]

well she is the icon of the city, if she goes down or something negative is spread

[sharp orbit]

The difference from what I imagined is that I was thinking they would actually show her team mates in the animation and talking and fighting with her

[slim pewter]

It’s a bit of a potshot on SoKor’s situation really.

[sharp orbit]

but they skipped over that

[slim pewter]

The perfect image.

[gray pilot]

moral just plumets

[valid shell]

@green palm Who's Brigette

[sharp orbit]

but hopefully another time

[slim pewter]

You’re not allowed to show your weakenes

[jaunty fox]

They all died I think.

[sharp orbit]

like if they add any of them in the game

[gray pilot]

the other mech pilots didn't die.

[dire timber]

nope

[regal coyote]

actually D.Va can still be toxic af duing gaming

[sharp orbit]

Who said they did

[dire timber]

they didn't die

they're just injured

[sharp orbit]

oh

nvm

[regal coyote]

lots of people have different personality behind the controller

[dire timber]

broken arms, bandaged heads

etc

[regal coyote]

and we KNOW she games lots

[dire timber]

@regal coyote yeah, but people aren't just that

[regal coyote]

look at all those snacks and left over next to all controllers

[jaunty fox]

Dva's whole public personality and public image is controlled by the Korean govrnment.

[dire timber]

and while she's very determined while gaming

[regal coyote]

you can also make out which seat is hers, cause of the leftovers

[dire timber]

she's still a kind girl otherwise

[sharp orbit]

yeah

[gray pilot]

It was also cool seeing show she self destructs.

[sharp orbit]

It was nice to see D.Va's normal self

[jaunty fox]

It seems she doesn't even like the spotlight.

[sharp orbit]

it seems the way she acts in the game is just her gamer mode

[dire timber]

I think she enjoyed it at first

when she was new to the pro gamer scene

but over time

it became too much for her

she kept it going

but she wasn't really so much into it anymore

[slim pewter]

Yeah.

Her line “but the enemy is ever evolving”

[gray pilot]

I kinda wish we got to see her control the defense matrix

[slim pewter]

It hits you both as a gamer and as a soldier

Because the challenge is ever rising

[jaunty fox]

It almost seems she just wants to go back to her days where she just hungout with her best friend.

[slim pewter]

And she must keep up

She knows a gaffe on her part

[regal coyote]

not all gamer likes the limelight, not everyone i like guys in Runaway

[slim pewter]

No matter how small

[regal coyote]

some just want to game, thats all

[slim pewter]

Is the end of Utopia for Korea

[gray pilot]

I still feel sad for the dude though, he got hard friendzoned. Kappa

[sharp orbit]

It was nice to see her mech's bootup sequence

on the HUD

[slim pewter]

Well. He still needs to get Dad76’s helix of approval so hyuk hyuk

[regal coyote]

also, srsly, consider meks is not that much of an impossible tech, shouldn't they at least build more backup parts>

[sharp orbit]

And her HUD design is different and has more to it than in the game

[jaunty fox]

Dva shut him down pretty hard.

[sharp orbit]

game one is more simplified

[regal coyote]

I mean, obviously all other meka is in repair?

[gray pilot]

Next time we see d.va she'll be like iron man and have multiple mechs out at once.

[sharp orbit]

would be cool to get the HUD from the short

like the reticle

[dire timber]

@slim pewter S76 and D.va aren't actually related

just saying

[sharp orbit]

as an option at least

[gray pilot]

I don't think anyone would actually think s76 and d.va are related

unless you're really new.

[slim pewter]

I know. That was a joke aimed at that particular ship lulz

The DVa short has an ambiguous timeline doesn’t it

You don’t know in which part of the decade it is

Before or after the recall

Or the ban

Or were there signs that I missed?

[gray pilot]

You mean the overwatch ban?

[slim pewter]

Yep.

[gray pilot]

it's probably around the time of recall

ban was prob 2 long ago

[slim pewter]

Oh yeah. Forgot. Morrison was still Morrison when ban happened

[sharp orbit]

oh yeaaah

[gray pilot]

speaking of recall

[slim pewter]

So timeline should be about recall

[sharp orbit]

since I'm crazy about these things

[gray pilot]

when will we actually see them

you know

recall

[jaunty fox]

It didn't happen too long ago.

Maybe when Dva was about 18.

[sharp orbit]

it's nice to finally see where D.Va's mech missiles shoot from

glad that's finally laid to rest

[slim pewter]

I love her gun. Dammit.

[gray pilot]

@jaunty fox what didn't happen long ago?

[sharp orbit]

they have pop out pods

[slim pewter]

I want that.

[jaunty fox]

The Dva short.

[gray pilot]

ah.

[slim pewter]

The handgun mind you.

[sharp orbit]

and the missiles shoot from those pods

and that too

[gray pilot]

I thought you meant the ban for a second and I was like wut

but yeah it's def recent future.

it may even be after recall

[sharp orbit]

it's nice to know where her handgun is stored in the cockpit

[gray pilot]

would make sense

[jaunty fox]

I'd say it happened maybe a year before the story.

The game anywy.

[green palm]

i wish they wouldve tied in how dva ended up in overwatch

[gray pilot]

cause if you think about it, no reason for it to before, since even if it happened it wouldn't affect her

[green palm]

or the new age

ow

[gray pilot]

unless they recruit d.va for ow

[green palm]

i thought they did?

for the new age ow

[slim pewter]

I think she was sent by SoKor

Not really recruited

[green palm]

oooo

[slim pewter]

Or whatever. Never sure. Lol

[jaunty fox]

Like how did Dva or Lucio or Zen get involved with OW.

[green palm]

^

i wish they'd tie it in 😭

[gray pilot]

well you could put genji with zen

on that one

[green palm]

is zen even in ow tho

[cedar moon]

Ppl say they don’t like how dva won

[gray pilot]

lucio is weird, he was prob random recruit

[cedar moon]

Nani el que

[regal coyote]

D.Va at this point would not and unlikely to ever be part of overwatch

[green palm]

i think she would be we saw how she likes fighting for her country

[sharp orbit]

But I can see her aiding Overwatch at least

[green palm]

and is willing to die for it

[regal coyote]

though it is not unlikely overwatch and meka would joint forces against soemthing like a common evil omnic i guess

[sharp orbit]

yeah

that

[slim pewter]

Hanzo as well.

[cedar moon]

How about instead of joining Overwatch

Some join talon

Like moira

Scree

[slim pewter]

But we know OW destroyed Shimada post exile

[green palm]

moira slaready is

already

[gray pilot]

moira is already kinda working for talon

[sharp orbit]

These are the kinds of things I'd imagine we'd see if we got an Overwatch episodic series

[green palm]

yea

in the sidelines

[cedar moon]

I already know that tf

[gray pilot]

mcree is pretty much full on ow

well

[regal coyote]

nah i dont see hana joining talon

[green palm]

MAKE AN OVERWATCH TV SHOW PLS

[gray pilot]

more like his own thing

tbh

[regal coyote]

srsly no way

[green palm]

d.va wouldnt join talon

not after what the omnics did to her home

[gray pilot]

they would prob just rather make new heroes for talon

[regal coyote]

hanzo can go any way. for him he is finding his own path, but i think he is msotly neutral

[gray pilot]

and then have talon hire junkrat and roadhog

[green palm]

hanzo is kinda like mccree now

imo

[regal coyote]

you know what, not everyone ahve to be on one side or another

[green palm]

both "outlaws"

[cedar moon]

Hanzo joins talon when

[regal coyote]

some people are like catwoman

[gray pilot]

I mean

obviously

we do have heroes like junkrat,roadhog,sym

for a reason.

[green palm]

i'd like to see d.va in ow

i want d.va/tracer interactions

my two mains <3

[cedar moon]

Sym joining talon id be SHOOK

[gray pilot]

sym wouldn't join talon, there's no real benefit for her.

[green palm]

scientific advancement

with moira

[brisk harbor]

Symm could join

[green palm]

that could be a reason she' join

[brisk harbor]

She is already getting manipulated

[gray pilot]

but sym is more technological not scientific.

[green palm]

yea

[slim pewter]

On another note. DVa’s mech is actually not that big right

[brisk harbor]

By Sanjay

[cedar moon]

Isn’t vishkar already with talon

[dire timber]

Symm wouldn't condone Talon

there's no way

it stands against everything she believes

[slim pewter]

I mean. Rein still holds the distinction of tallest hero

[green palm]

in the short it didn't look big imo

[slim pewter]

At 7’6”

[green palm]

in the game it looks much bigger

[slim pewter]

Followed by Roadhog at 7’3”

[green palm]

but that's also bc of hit boxes

and being a "tank" in general

she has to soak up damage

[gray pilot]

I could see like

idk a mind control plot

where they take control of ana and soldier and create a dark trio

or something weird like that

🤷

[brisk harbor]

Junkrat is actually taller than expected

[green palm]

ana being taken control of 😭

[brisk harbor]

He just hunches all the time

[green palm]

poor grandma

[brisk harbor]

Lmao

[green palm]

yea junk is tall but u cant tell bc of his hunch

[gray pilot]

Actually

I wonder if hanzo will pick a side or stay neutral

that's the real question

[green palm]

do you guys think liao will ever be added

[gray pilot]

prob not

[green palm]

:'(

[cedar moon]

I just want an existing char to join talon ree

[green palm]

all i want is to know something about him

[jaunty fox]

Moira is the tallest woman.

[gray pilot]

There are no characters that would really join talon

[dire timber]

@jaunty fox @green palm D.va and Lucio aren't part of the new Overwatch

[gray pilot]

though

[jaunty fox]

She's like 6'5.

[green palm]

oh i thought they were

[dire timber]

nope

[cedar moon]

Why no t

[dire timber]

only Winston, Tracer, and Mei are

[brisk harbor]

I think hanzo will stay neutral until genji gets in trouble or smthing

[green palm]

been playing for years and i dont even know my lore smh

[cedar moon]

Lmao

[slim pewter]

What if that red bulky tank in OW photos

[gray pilot]

I could see hanzo in talon but game has kinda said that won't be happening.

but I really can't see hanzo in ow

[slim pewter]

Is actually a MEKA

[gray pilot]

so yeah prob neutral

[slim pewter]

Lels

The original Rein model.

[cedar moon]

Hanzo in talon genji be shook

[gray pilot]

I mean

genji is weird atm

he's more like a good neutral

[slim pewter]

Hanzo in Talon might make sense.

[green palm]

id say hes definitely good bc of zen

zen kept him good

[slim pewter]

Remember his only conflict is his prob with Genji.

[brisk harbor]

Hanzo most likely isn't gonna join talon

It's not like he has goals either

[slim pewter]

Past that, Hanzo is a trained gangster any which way you look at it.

[brisk harbor]

Other than redemption