What did we get from this short though?
#lore-discussion
errant elm
iron plume
the other four mechs were inoperational
errant elm
Like things that are important
iron plume
that's what the first frame with all five of them means
errant elm
Ahh
But we got different mechs, lovestory and Dva is a human and sudden omnic attack
And the map
Has anyone tested the map?
burnt flower
We got a lot from this short. Mainly that Hana is a lot more complex, nuanced and intelligent than people give her credit for.
burnt flower
I'm not sure it was a 'love story'. Daehyun is her friend, and they even called him her 'best friend' afterwords.
muted creek
Yo. Joined just now cause of my overwhelming need to talk about the new DVA cinematic... is that wierd?
next wave
This short was awful. We got nothing new except this new 2d character
burnt flower
rolls eyes
of course, men and women have to be in relationships with one another and can never just be friends.
burnt flower
I guess I'm just dating all of the guys I know in my personal life now.
next wave
But we dont evem know if this takes place in pressent
errant elm
It could be smth else but he wanted to say smth but he couldn’t
errant elm
It’s present if not said it’s not
next wave
Thats just how i feel. For me this is the worst short from them all
errant elm
First we thought Dva was just like nerf thjs
muted creek
...I want fics made of it and the after math.
errant elm
Now we see that she would do anything to protect her town
muted creek
She one tough and dark girl
Think she got a bit of ptsd? She young but then again with what she is going through...
next wave
But we don't see it x0 She just says it.
"Hey look. I care about things, and i have some issues. Im 3d now!"
pulsar oyster
I think it was a rlly good short, especially the quality, but 1 year for that... hmm like compared to the other ones I don't think it's at the same lvl, but it's still a rlly good short. xd
dire timber
@next wave dude, just stop
muted creek
haters gonna hate
dire timber
if you're just gonna be a cynical asshole, you can do it elsewhere
next wave
Im pretty sure i hate it cuz i dont like it but ok
muted creek
Lot of time goes into those things.
muted creek
ah, let us not be with the cursing and the anger
dire timber
it's just obnoxious
pulsar oyster
I love the Dva Char development , I like that she's more complex and mature than she appears
ebon laurel
Guys, everyone is allowed to have a different opinion
ebon laurel
Same
muted creek
Ramen
next wave
And i like the mech desing at the end of the short. Probably new skin
errant elm
How do we not see that she cares about her town, when she blows up her mech launching herself into the sea...
fair ridge
She could've died
muted creek
Yep...and just realised we get a new hero ever 4 months or so...
next wave
Well. Ok. You're right
muted creek
gotta wait for the new year
dire timber
I think it's weird how quickly people jump to talk about "PTSD" every time a character has a traumatic experience of any sort
next wave
^
muted creek
I admit, I didn't want to sound casual with that
muted creek
Well, there was that momentary flashback.
errant elm
If she loses
muted creek
Just thought that was dark for a sec there
honest magnet
Dva has lore now 
errant elm
What was that flashback abour?
dire timber
that's not an automatic indicator of PTSD
next wave
Do u thinkt the dude could be a playable hero in the future? They mention bike, that can self-destruct like dv.a's mech
dire timber
PTSD is when seemingly innocuous things trigger these traumatic memories, all the time
not when, you know
muted creek
Ah, right.
dire timber
it's not just when you remember a bad experience
muted creek
Gotta watch it a third time
errant elm
I think we won’t see that dude
next wave
bastion had ptsd in the short
dire timber
Bastion's reaction to a woodpecker is a good example
muted creek
Oh yea... damn. Robot with ptsd. How did I not think about that?
errant elm
We might see another meka in the future but not that dude
Maybe if he gets his own meka
next wave
But motorbike would be more intresting
muted creek
Didn't think Bridgette would e a hero but here she is
errant elm
I’m hoping for the red or blue one
next wave
In couple of years we're gonna get next doomfist. A punch kind from the 1st trailer /s
dire timber
I don't think we'll get any more MEKA heroes
muted creek
So... after gerbal man, hero or villain? What do you think?
errant elm
How would you implement a guy with a motorbike in-game?
errant elm
Hero
next wave
I dont know! But it would be something else
We have a hamster in giant mech ball.
Why wouldn't we have a bike
cunning ledge
is nano cola skin confirmed?
gloomy grail
It is confirmed
dire timber
not confirmed, but Jeff said it could be a thing
gloomy grail
and will most likely air with the release of the map
next wave
Where did he said that? I thought gamescom isnt streamed
muted creek
I want a Zenyatta cinematic next.
dire timber
cunning ledge
jeff was at the korea thing
gloomy grail
Yeah, either with the release of the map or it is an Origins skin.
muted creek
I want a Zenyatta cinematic next.
dire timber
@muted creek I even have the story all planned out
errant elm
Yes zenyatta or sym and lucio
gloomy grail
It would be an epic skin
cunning ledge
@gloomy grail how would it be an origins skin?
next wave
Ooh ok
muted creek
Story? Oh, the fic?
errant elm
Zen is about peace between omnics and humans right?
dire timber
"in the opening arc, Zen talks with Mondatta, and decides to leave the Shambali
then, some time passes, and Zen meets Genji
they clash, and get into a fight, which Zen wins by outsmarting Genji, in part due to Genji's impatience
from that point onward, Genji accepts Zen's offer to become his student"
muted creek
Yea
dire timber
@errant elm the Shambali in general are
muted creek
Oh... not bad
dire timber
but Zenyatta believes that they need to be more personal about it
gloomy grail
It would be Origins because it connects to her lore and advertising while in MEKA Squad before OW (I read some articles about it, it is a possibility, but I really believe it comes out with the map).
errant elm
That would be cool
cunning ledge
oh so you mean a skin that shows her lore
not an actual origins skin
because origins skins are the ones you get with that edition of the game
gloomy grail
Yeah my bad I didn't mean that
errant elm
I feel like they might add a bit pf Genji saving Zenyatta maybe
muted creek
Anyone ever see that fan comic with Zenyatta kcking the crud of an omnic bullying another?
that does a nice speech thing
muted creek
Might I link it here?
errant elm
I don’t think fanficition is allowed
dire timber
eh, I wouldn't recommend it
muted creek
Eh, Ill just put it in general?
dire timber
I guess
errant elm
Sure
cunning ledge
#general-discussion or #fanart if you think it fits
dire timber
you know what really makes me wonder?
muted creek
There. If anyone wants to see it
dire timber
how would Zen move in a close quarters fight
worthy rose
Eh, short was meh
muted creek
Think they do that in the comic too
dire timber
like, the only way he fights in-game is energy blasts
dire timber
and melee kicks
I think we can expect a lot of energy blasts from his orbs
but when Genji enters close quarters
I think we can expand the multiple-hand punches
muted creek
Then Zen does that one with the leaf stuff like in LOK
dire timber
like you can see in that one emote of his
errant elm
Or he uses his ult
muted creek
Nervy pinch? Of wait... that wouldnt work on Genji
dire timber
D.va did "use her ult" and it wasn't just "lul press Q"
it wouldn't be the case for Zenyatta either
I swear, people trying to shoehorn Zen's ult into a story
why
there's no story purpose for that
next wave
I would like a zen+genji short
dire timber
I think punches from multiple hands would be a sufficient nod to that
errant elm
Is the dva mech visible on the map?
dire timber
why would it tbh
errant elm
Well if not than they might not add another mech into the game
muted creek
Guess those are indications of how much damage?
errant elm
Need repairing
But if the dva mech is not in the map than they can’t have another mech as hero cuz that would be odd
errant elm
I’m hoping atleast one playable
Either the red or the blue
Honestly they would all be pretty interesting to have in-game
narrow nymph
Wouldn't drop the idea of a complete reskin, including character models
If soldier 24 reaper skin and say jazzy lucio had a lovechild, it would be Overlord
Blizzcon introduces more content than lore, right?
Because this was definitely one for the lore
dire timber
btw, important notes
errant elm
Tbh all the mechs except maybe the green bring smth new: red has shields as weapons, blue has a drone, yellow has artillery
dire timber
the Kishin attack every few months
errant elm
They gave us a map
errant elm
That’s what I keep saying
I feel like everyone is ignoring the fact that they suddenly attacked
Blizzard wouldn’t do that for nothing
narrow nymph
I figured there's an exaggeration pointed out which fits quite nicely with the narrative here
Hana is the only mech in operation, despite the damage
So that intro alluded to
burnt flower
If we get a Zen short (featuring Genji) I will literally be over the moon with it.
Both Gaku Space and Feodor Chin have said they'd love a Zen/Genji short together.
So Blizz, hop to it.
Give the people what they want!
narrow nymph
I was hoping for a gimmicky D. Va Lucio crossover
errant elm
Eww
narrow nymph
Because these isolated ones with Mei and D. VA are here to push the whole "let's make this a movie about them"
burnt flower
And I don't have a problem with that? I honestly think D.va needed the spotlight to herself for once and more importantly, needed more lore.
So I'm perfectly okay with this.
💯 💯 💯
iron plume
why wouldn't it be
regal coyote
can we make a guess of the mekas?
yellow ranger seem to be just a similar mech with focus on missile ability
errant elm
Has Mei been rescued alreadyb
regal coyote
so that is least exciting
errant elm
Alright
regal coyote
the green one seem to be smupper and energy canon variant
dire timber
regal coyote
the red ranger girl seems to be close combat type.
errant elm
Do we know why her friends died in the cryo-freeze?
regal coyote
the blue ranger seems to be a new type variant
iron plume
the red one is big tank
regal coyote
i want the blue one, it is basically a newtype mech.
errant elm
I want blue or red
iron plume
The other scientists died because the energy ran out
regal coyote
for the uneducated fucker or westernerrners newtype is a term for gundam things, basically it is kinda like esp people controlling drones/bits/fangu/etc that attacks
i dont think drones can be used according to the story
errant elm
Okay no need to be mad
errant elm
No they can’t be used against the big robot but in-game they can
regal coyote
just an ancient UC gundam fan
errant elm
But if the energy ran out how did Mei survive?
regal coyote
and psionic/RC controlled bits and weapons of meka is norm, and tradition, all hail lady lala
sample of how these can be used https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8h3pZ-NNGs
dire timber
@regal coyote
green's built for speed, with an aerodynamic shape
red's built for durability, with a strong structure and an energy shield
pink's built for flexibility, with a pair of blaster cannons
yellow's built for artillery, equipped with missile battery
blue's equipped with a beam and a support drone
errant elm
But we don’t know what the drone does
worthy rose
None of the others will get in as a hero unless their mech is drastically different to D.Va's
so you should just ignore the ones with similar mechs
errant elm
He could just be used for repairing outside of combat
regal coyote
errant elm
Red and blue are the ones who set them selves apart most for me
regal coyote
Green: speed mybe but just a guess, footage does not show much other than simple tein jet and both hands shooting
so not different or special enough to warrant in game character (skin maybe)
dire timber
I really doubt any of them is going to be a hero
iron plume
none of them are getting in game
dire timber
they're just there to flesh out MEKA
regal coyote
Pink: the best one with the cut pilot, also self destruct is canon now, must be in game.
errant elm
We can hope though
dire timber
meh
I'm not really interested
I'd like them to show up in a comic some day, though
errant elm
Even if we don’t get one of these
regal coyote
Yellow: seem to have a different body shape like the re one, but is mainly long range missiles? also hand laser, seems to be longer range, similar to the gren one but seems mroe powerful (rule of cool, longer gun means mroe power)
errant elm
I want a flamethrower, shiels as weapons and drones
errant elm
A comic would be cool
regal coyote
like how one pilot have wto wear pointy shades and be half naked when piloting.
muted creek
Comiiiiic
errant elm
About how they all got together and stuff
regal coyote
andand they have to yell standing on top of their meka, usually the red one (no red one cannot get half naked which is shame, traditions... :( )
red one, can red one at least be a reinhardt skin?
errant elm
I think we are wandering to far from serieus lore
regal coyote
we can see a hand shield and jet
errant elm
Abandon
regal coyote
probably some kinda gun or melee?
errant elm
Shields as weapons
regal coyote
would ahve different play style too, one of the more playable ones, but there has to be move variation. maybe give her missiles too
shield as weapon?
maybe she can throw the shield.
errant elm
It seems attached to her arm
regal coyote
it a mech so easily it can be anything, including a mounted fist detetchable
you know, honorable hero emch can shoot their fist out, mzinger style
muted creek
That... is actually a good question
muted creek
Her body heat?
regal coyote
which is good
errant elm
What if it wasn’t an accident
muted creek
Gasp!
dire timber
it probably was
regal coyote
since the dead redshirts pod malfunction indirectly allows for more energy keeping mei alive
errant elm
What if someone or something killed her friends
dire timber
why?
muted creek
Bad mugs?
errant elm
Idk
dire timber
seriously, the whole "it happened intentionally!!" is the laziest of all the "clever" theories about the event
errant elm
It seems weird that everyone dies and only Mei survives
dire timber
some people tried to connect it to Sombra lmao
regal coyote
I had the theory of mei being so friendly to ball that snowball keep her alive in expense of the others. but seeing that snowball aint too bright i dont think this is true.
dire timber
it's all baseless nonsense
regal coyote
not mei herself for sure, she cares about her buddies
dire timber
nah, it's simple - Mei lucked out
errant elm
There has to be some explanation
regal coyote
i dont think it is runing out of power
i think it is malfunction, as in the pods are not meant to function for that long
dire timber
well, they were failing one by one
regal coyote
probably they expect help within a few months
dire timber
Mei's just happened to be the one remaining
errant elm
How did Mei get out than?
dire timber
?
regal coyote
so it is like trying to run your shit ass iphone for 10 years, it aint happening
and mei is lucky she get a great one that survive
errant elm
How did Mei get out of cryo-freeze?
dire timber
because the Recall signal activated the revival process
regal coyote
we suspect it is the recall signal that activates the wakeup call for the pod
dire timber
before Mei's pod broke
dire timber
wel, they were supposed to stay frozen until rescue arrived
regal coyote
cause afte their long sleep overwatch falls into civilwar and is taken down
so no one takes care of overwatch stuff
only an ape who works alone in some island
errant elm
So winston saved Mei
dire timber
basically
regal coyote
winston unknowingly save his (thought to be lost) friend
errant elm
So that’s Mei’s story
regal coyote
remember it is proven mei knows winston
dire timber
yep
errant elm
So her whole story just ends there
dire timber
nope
regal coyote
funny how winston's old friends are all thought to be lost
dire timber
she's got a mission
regal coyote
be ht crazy snow lady or oversized hamster
regal coyote
mei is not combatant regardless
she is doing research
so msot likely she is going around old ecopoints collecting date and what not
muted creek
Save world Global warming. Some dark threat behind Talon
regal coyote
also doing tv show educating people maybe
errant elm
They are doing research for climate change
regal coyote
she had a following for sure
dire timber
she won't go doing missions with Winston and Tracer
regal coyote
well, not sure
errant elm
Probably not
regal coyote
she might help them in things backend
dire timber
I do like to think that Rein and Brig already teamed up with Torb and Bastion
regal coyote
like give them info, cook up some science toys and what not
well consider bastion is following torby it is only a matter of time
I mean, rein/brig has to eat turkey too.
or something like that
errant elm
Blizzard just gives us lore updates not frequent enough
regal coyote
i mean rein would get executed if he did not show up for food for no reason
muted creek
That gives the fans time to speculate and make their own
regal coyote
i mean, not coming for family dinner? no response for months? you know ingrid would murder them two for going off grid for a while.
also, pretty sure brig need to visit the cats too
dire timber
@errant elm uh, today
errant elm
Yeah but before today
pearl portal
daily update: Jetpack cat is canon
dire timber
@pearl portal shitposting will result in loss of access
regal coyote
daily update: hana is still ex esports champ
pearl portal
for starcraft
regal coyote
she is still a gamer trash that likes junkfood and energy drink, and dont clean up after herself. (look at ehr seat and piled up food junk everywhere from her)
also her friendzone is a ncie cute guy
errant elm
Pong is
remote ocean
Casino looks like Moira's Korean cousin
lean silo
i feel like the short was way too cheesy
also what role do those tentacle robots even play other than being plot devices?
iron plume
...
dapper shuttle
Mechs have names. Red is BEAST, Green is La Princesse, Blue is Mastermind and Yellow is hard to see but I think it ends in -eon
iron plume
okay so are you just going ot call everything a plot device
regal coyote
I can totally see the green ranger calling his mech princess and hugging it :3
oh what is NEKA's name
does meka have a name?
pink meka we all love
worthy rose
im sinning the city to think 5 teenage is enough to defend a city
and sinning them x100 for practically no any other sort of defensive system at all
lean silo
I noticed that, it seems neglectful
iron plume
that's not new
none of the authorities in ow universe know what the fuck they're doing
lean silo
this does seem to be the case
they're relying too heavily on individuals and one technology
worthy rose
its like they dont know what war mean and put teaenage on war
lean silo
i mean, they wanted attractive young symbols
worthy rose
when i see the ptsd scene , "war, war never change" is all i can think of
iron plume
it's a common theme in superhero fiction
which OW basically is
if the authorities did their job there wouldn't need to be superheroes
worthy rose
whats the last animation short
cunning ledge
?
worthy rose
that last year right?
iron plume
last year's blizzcon
regal coyote
@worthy rose it is the classic mech animation trope, it has to be young and teenage pilot msotly
iron plume
a year ago was rise and shine
regal coyote
also thw whole music/idol and hero theme too, and the colors and hopefully they follow the strict rules of their personality
worthy rose
but look at all other mech animation, the city DO have defensive weapon
worthy rose
its just doesnt work effectively on that big boss
regal coyote
yellow is for friendship and what not
worthy rose
if you are saying EVA
regal coyote
nope
regal coyote
not eva, eva dont really have mech either technically
I am saying voltron and other classic, with colored ranger theme
worthy rose
ranger is different, the government never acknowledge the existence of a threat
regal coyote
or we can even hope for the base to fly up in emrgency (looks pausable in that format)
depending on different series, some ranger series (or sentei) is actually stuff like intergalactic police or etc
worthy rose
voltron etc, those city has defensive automatic weapon
regal coyote
yes i do think the citys eem to have defense weapons
just that it may not be enough for the giant omnic threat
worthy rose
we saw no action when there are five medium size octopus
regal coyote
also, we do not know if one day D.Va decide to stab her mech into another one, and combine into another giant mech
in which case the mech can do things like rip a sword from the ground anywhere they want
worthy rose
nah, just click head with widow. the meta is that
regal coyote
what amaze me is that when there is a warning and yet the city do not even respond into emergency mode, it is business as usual
at the least they should make a bomb shelter call right?
worthy rose
putting individual young as your war weapon is fine i guess?, but maybe you put up shift for teams !?
regal coyote
well teenager hero is a trope so we can keep that
worthy rose
so that there wouldnt be only DVA to defend lol?
regal coyote
that is the problem
i mean i can see the other mechs are trashed yes
but there should be a white colored mech/ or a black mech at least (usually a super unstable prototype )
also the pilot are not all injured even thouse the mech are trashed in last incident
you would think the budget of the korean government with all the tech and glorious city can at least put up with a few mor egeneric backup mech
Hell, even gundam ahve a few backup generic mech, or some other weapons
haughty thorn
So, did the other pilots die?
iron plume
no
sharp orbit
And Overlord a support
With the drones being used to attack and heal
It's nice to finally see the rest of D.Va's squad and their mechs
It's what I wanted for a long time and mentioned multiple times here
And it's cool how Overlord uses drones
Finally remote devices in Overwatch
He's got them funnels
@regal coyote
lavish solar
So all of dvas abilities except call mech are canon now.
dire timber
I doubt the rest of the MEKA team is going to be turned into playable heroes
dire timber
@lavish solar I mean, the self-destruct isn't exactly canon
it just
kinda happened
once
sharp orbit
Those are some serious doubts
dire timber
@haughty thorn childhood friend
haughty thorn
Good to know
haughty thorn
He got friendzoned OMEGALUL
dire timber
I don't really like that term tbh
dire timber
like, it implies that getting into a relationship is some sort of goal
it's a crappy term
sharp orbit
at least add D.Mon, but ideally her and Overlord
regal coyote
@sharp orbit yes it is bits, funnels, fangu etc
sharp orbit
even better all of them
regal coyote
love to see that in action
sharp orbit
so we can have the entire squad in a team
regal coyote
also are you sure one of them is her brother? not likely
sharp orbit
with one extra person as the sixth lol
regal coyote
if hana were to have a hero brother she ould be shown in balck later in a special mech
regal coyote
d.Mon?
sharp orbit
She's the other girl
dire timber
the one in the red tank
regal coyote
oh she the pilot of Beast?
sharp orbit
She looks the part at least
dire timber
where?
haughty thorn
Can't the omnics just go a different direction?
dire timber
where can you see it, I mean?
sharp orbit
Just under her shield window
her cockpit window
also D.Mon has the best cockpit position hands down
it looks comfy
it's also a badass and sexy cockpit position
works for both guys and girls
as seen in anime
regal coyote
also yellow ranger's mech look quite similar to D.Va in-game
just small bit of hand differencee
sharp orbit
Overlord is definitely a support type
with support drones
and VTOL style
hovering around
dire timber
@regal coyote yellow is not support
like I said
missile battery and all
that's artillery
sharp orbit
Overlord's controlling will be quite unique I'd say
regal coyote
something something the blue mech causes huge mental stress to the pilot
sharp orbit
due to the flight system
haughty thorn
I can't be the only one who thinks this whole pro gamers being drafted into the army thing is stupid, right?
sharp orbit
Nah Overlord is support for sure
regal coyote
artillery yes, but "support: in this sense is long range support not the overwatch idea of healers
dire timber
oh
sharp orbit
Overlord is healer type but with good attack options too
the miniguns and the drones
drones can attack and heal
regal coyote
@haughty thorn depends, you can get the whole shanghai dragons to a meka team, but if you keep that piece of shit coach you aree still going nowhere
regal coyote
D.Mon is the super robot type
sharp orbit
and she should have a laser sword too lol
sharp orbit
beam sword please
regal coyote
green one is the "reality" type
sharp orbit
for D.Mon
regal coyote
D.Mon has to be on fire, and grab a sword out from the ground, a phisical flaming sword
regal coyote
and she has to yell the attack name every time she attacks
sharp orbit
you can see it in the image of her in the cockpit
dire timber
like, I'd understand if it were empty
regal coyote
we are only shown 3 of the 5 hangers
dire timber
but it should be there
regal coyote
yes it should
dire timber
4, we see 4 mechs
sharp orbit
ayyy
She's not the Ryusei in terms of character
I imagine she's the Rai
the cool headed type
and occasionally teasing D.Va
regal coyote
no D.Mon is red
sharp orbit
just like what I always wanted
regal coyote
follow the color, red is hot head
dapper shuttle
BEAST is right on the nose of the cockpit, barely visible but it's there
sharp orbit
not this time
dapper shuttle
dead center of your screenshot Slig
regal coyote
a name like beast is not cool mind type
sharp orbit
she can still be cool head
regal coyote
that would be Overlord
regal coyote
she probably go full Gurren Lagann
sharp orbit
just like I always said I wanted
sharp orbit
but yeah, I want them to add at least one other of D.Va's teammates to the game. Hopefully D.Mon. And if a third, then Overlord too
The best thing would be to add all of them
I can always hope
but at least one or two
sonic dock
.>
haughty thorn
If they run out of hero ideas they probably will
sonic dock
oof
dire timber
@sonic dock I think D.mon is a partner from the pro gamer days
like, that they started out together
kinda as rivals
sonic dock
oo tru
dire timber
but also as partners
sonic dock
i c
dire timber
hence the name similarity
sonic dock
hoo knows tho lol
dire timber
unlikely to be related though
sharp orbit
Rivals
just like I said
hoping D.Mon teases her too
Need that interaction in the game
dire timber
I really don't think the other mechs will be turned into heroes
cause, really, how would that go?
dire timber
kinda playing favorites
regal coyote
i rule out king cause that is too similar in format
sharp orbit
I'm sure they'll add at least one of them
regal coyote
^
sharp orbit
Really don't see why you should doubt any get added at all
but if it had to be one
Then D.Mon please
haughty thorn
Cause there's better heroes to add 
sharp orbit
if another one after her, then Overlord
sharp orbit
Support mecha would be sick
dire timber
I just think, outside of a Hammond-like situation, is there much point in a mech pilot hero if they don't leave it at any point?
sharp orbit
and it's a VTOL type
cunning ledge
so there can be a regular sized person who is big enough to fill a tank role
haughty thorn
It would be too similar
dire timber
I think other MEKA pilots being playable heroes just isn't feasible
sharp orbit
baby modes being similar would be the only similar things about them
haughty thorn
And them being mech pilots
errant elm
Honestly how many different things can blizzard add before things become similar
haughty thorn
They would just be pistols or rifles lmao
errant elm
In baby-modes: green - rifle, red - shotgun, yellow - sniper, blue - laserbeam? Idk bout blue
dire timber
you know how I think the other mech pilots could be introduced into the game?
sharp orbit
I just want my MEKA squad ok
dire timber
as part of some Archives-esque event
errant elm
Minigame
errant elm
All Meka’s against the omnics
sharp orbit
nah proper heroes please
iron plume
that's not happening
sharp orbit
more mecha pilots wouldn't hurt
regal coyote
@dire timber damn this cool
sharp orbit
I mean
haughty thorn
They can just re use dvas assets
dire timber
@iron plume what isn't?
haughty thorn
errant elm
Tbh I want atleast one of them added but I’d take the minigame
dire timber
my idea, or MEKA heroes?
iron plume
full heroes
sharp orbit
I mean you guys can confidently say it isn't happening all you want
iron plume
your idea is a maybe but I don't think it's this year
sharp orbit
but I can also confidently say it could happen
regal coyote
agree
errant elm
But what was the dude working on at the end?
sharp orbit
we don't know shit
dire timber
@sharp orbit how do you imagine it, exactly?
regal coyote
i think it should be like 2 year, not his one but maybe next
dire timber
we get 3 heroes a year
errant elm
And why did they hide it?
sharp orbit
on whether it will happen or not
dire timber
one in March, one in July, one in November
do you expect Blizzard to just shove a MEKA pilot into each of these?
for a full year?
errant elm
How many different things can blizzard make before they need to start making similar things?
haughty thorn
sharp orbit
It's up to fucking Blizzard
iron plume
by the time they do they'll slow down the hero schedule
errant elm
I’d say maybe they add one in 2 years from now
sharp orbit
I'm just saying what I hope
dire timber
and I just think it's not feasible
errant elm
So you want blizzard making one hero a year? Or heroes that are a bit similar?
sharp orbit
well we clearly have different opinions on this
I think it could happen and hope it does
dire timber
maybe they release them all at once as part of some MEKA event, where you pick one of the five, a lot like Retribution
dire timber
but I doubt MEKA pilots could ever become part of the roster
dire timber
alright
errant elm
But guys realistically, how many new ideas for heroes can you come up with?
dire timber
@errant elm about 3 per year 😁
errant elm
Alright 3
sharp orbit
He has actual points cool
errant elm
Tell me your ideas
iron plume
I'd hope blizzard has people that are better than me at that
regal coyote
wait wait
iron plume
my ideas for heroes isn't a lore discussion
errant elm
Ryusei stfu we get it
regal coyote
how about this, maybe blizz is going to introduce... ECHO WARRIORS?
dire timber
I mean, I haven't come up with gameplay, but I do have that one character concept
regal coyote
that would be nice
errant elm
Tell me
regal coyote
cheap and easy on game balance, sicne there is basically none to speak of
errant elm
Obviously everyone wants flame thrower
dire timber
a black female hero from Caribbean, Haiti specifically - a modern day pirate kind of character
haughty thorn
Pyro
errant elm
No echo warriors
regal coyote
so yeah a different skin a different voice pack but basically same character
errant elm
And she’d use a sword or a cannon?
regal coyote
saves the process of developing a new mechanic and balancing, just artwork
oh and VA
dire timber
nah, she'd probably use a minigun
regal coyote
either way it is good and easy for blizz and happy for fans
haughty thorn
Heavy
errant elm
What other weapons are there
regal coyote
another thing is she might use a big melee and a minigun, or a chargable gun like the big omnic in uprising
sharp orbit
Another thing I would be excited about is the cockpit view of the other MEKA pilots
errant elm
Oh yeah Hammond has miniguns
haughty thorn
4
errant elm
So that would be kinda the same
dire timber
what makes heroes unique isn't necessarily the weapon alone
errant elm
Sure okay the pirate idea is nice
sharp orbit
It's the weapon behaviour
dire timber
the abilities are the most important, actually
iron plume
it's the total kit
errant elm
But wouldn’t another minigun hero after the pirate become to similar
sharp orbit
well yeah
errant elm
Like the Meka’s?
dire timber
also, another hero I wanted is Hamid Faisal
the archeologist mentioned on Petra's equipment
regal coyote
Hamid yes
errant elm
And he’d use? A pickaxe? Explosives?
regal coyote
i hope for a robot eagle
errant elm
Me personally I have this idea of twin sisters
dire timber
a whip, maybe
regal coyote
pickaxe, whip, explosive, akimbo pistol, these are all standard equipment for archaeologists
errant elm
They are Argetinian and are nearly polar opposites
dire timber
uh, one question
regal coyote
so you want the ice-climbers in overwatch
errant elm
Smth like that
dire timber
how exactly do you think it should be handled?
regal coyote
@dire timber answer maybe nazi to your question
dire timber
...
regal coyote
i think for twin switch
dire timber
what
cunning ledge
what
errant elm
Well your shift key is used to switch between sniper and shotgun
dire timber
what's this about nazis
regal coyote
realistic one would be an ability to wswitch character
errant elm
One has a sniper that fires faster than widows but does less damage
regal coyote
if you choose one character then the other one becomes your "option" ai controlled character that follows you around and shoot as you shoot (weaker obviously)
dire timber
wait, what
sharp orbit
sounds like assist
haughty thorn
Ai in overwatch
errant elm
See it as the lost vikings in heroes of the storm
regal coyote
example, we call them mario/luigi ok for now
sharp orbit
like Arios Gundam's assist in Gundam VS
errant elm
But when you switch the other does nothing
Just let me explain my idea instead of screaming bs through it
regal coyote
mario have a shotgun and luigi have a simple rifle, so if you control mario luigi follows and mirrors, and if you fire and luigi sprays a 3 shot burst in the general direction also
errant elm
Yes
sharp orbit
so it's double body hitbox
errant elm
No hamster
regal coyote
if you switch to luigi then mario would fire shotgun at general direction when you fire
errant elm
No
regal coyote
ai controlled mode damge is 50% or so
errant elm
Hamster stfu
sharp orbit
but I guess that's the disadvantage to the tag gimmick to balance it out
errant elm
There are 2 characters
And you can switch between the two controlling one and leaving the other doing nothing
errant elm
They’ll both have 150 hp
regal coyote
yes but not for overwatch
sharp orbit
I know
regal coyote
the way you describe it is too complex for overwatch
sharp orbit
but I'm saying I knew what he was getting to
errant elm
No you keep screaming through it hamster
regal coyote
it is like the vikings in hots vs other characters
errant elm
It’s to complicated cuz you keep screaming your own ideas while I am simply explaining it
And when one dies you can keep controlling the other one
regal coyote
does the other one respawn give soem time?
errant elm
They’ll both also have a mobility ability
regal coyote
cause in the case of vikings they all have their seperate respawn
olive karma
HA I WAS RIGHT! DVA DOES BLOW HER MECH UP IN LORE
regal coyote
i dont thinkk the "doing nothing" would work well in ow
olive karma
Therefore South Korea is in debt
regal coyote
cause in hots at least they would attack you can set them to attack creeps in a lane
errant elm
Yes it would work cause else your hero is in plain sight
regal coyote
with no creep the idle one does not provide enough function\
errant elm
In OW you need to walk each character back to position after dying
haughty thorn
Can't you spawn camp the other one though?
errant elm
Why would you?
olive karma
Also Dva's character is poorly made, she has too many profestions
errant elm
And no
regal coyote
my concern about this is that the idle one does not provide enough function
regal coyote
actually i had thought of a viking type in ow before but realize it is hard to balance the idle one
olive karma
@terse oak boom
regal coyote
my idea was to allow the idle one to be in "defense mode" where they dont take headshot and has a shield that reduce damage
soe ffecctive they a turret of sorts
errant elm
It’s not that hard you just hide the shotgun guy on flank routes and control the sniper
When someone flanks you go shotgun and kill the flanker
regal coyote
i was thinking shotgun and long rifle instead of sniper
same effect, but easier to balance
errant elm
Sniper would work better
olive karma
On my first day of Discord, I went on lore discussion saying DVA is putting South Korea in debt from her exploding her mech. I was almost banned for shit posting. on my FIRST day. But now? IM RIGHT
errant elm
Cause with sniper you can distance yourself from the battle
olive karma
How much you think those cost?
dire timber
probably it does cost a bunch, but your implications was that she does this, like, all the time
errant elm
This is pretty much shitposting actually
dire timber
she doesn't
errant elm
A whole country is not in debt for one exploding mech
olive karma
And I didn't say they're in debt
errant elm
Dude no prove
iron plume
that's an entirely different sentiment
olive karma
I said putting. Which is tech a theory
regal coyote
well, if the system is around the same price as her racing bike (at least the tech) then while it is expensive but may not be THAT expensive relatively
errant elm
“Dva is putting South Korea in debt from her exploding mech”
errant elm
But she is not putting SK in debt
olive karma
Obv
dire timber
I did expect D.va to detonate her mech in the short
and, just like expected
it's not a common occurence
she did it in an emergency, when there was no other options
errant elm
No of course she’s “putting SK in debt”
olive karma
My point was, I thought DVA was wasting money.
iron plume
and she isn't
dire timber
while the way you spoke about it, was as if she was going about shouting "nerf this" and detonating the mech in every fight
errant elm
Gtfo
How can you “think” that she is wasting money, when she was litterally saving the whole city risking her life.
dire timber
the mech would be a bust anyway
errant elm
Oh I could die doing this, but it would cost the government money. So let’s do it! NERF THIS! What’s going on in your head Marvin
olive karma
Tell that to the government, look how the investigated Sully sulumburger
She could contact an airforce
errant elm
Can someone just ban him for shitposting
dire timber
dude, she saved the entire goddamn city of Busan
errant elm
<@&397922982632226816> can you just warn, mut or ban him?
dire timber
the omnic was ready to send all the skyscrapers falling
errant elm
Preferably the last
floral herald
🤔
errant elm
Tbh maybe I shouldn’t say that as I was shitposting before but idc
olive karma
I suppose this is just my hate for dvas character. Not in game but in ACC lore. I feel its bad developed. Sorry if we don't see the same way. Bye
errant elm
You confuse me
dire timber
what
errant elm
What have I just witnessed
olive karma
About the character develop or money problem?
errant elm
All your bs
olive karma
Hey, I may be wrong about the money, but I still have good reasons why I dislike her character
errant elm
But yeah, are there any other possibilities for hero 29 other than junkerqueen?
But it’s not bad developed?
haughty thorn
Apparently every person ever mentioned in lore
olive karma
It would be cool if a new character could blind the enemy
errant elm
I mean possibilities we have proof of
olive karma
Idk. I agree with pog. Basically anyone we see. Including dva's friend
silk badger
What's going on, lol.
silk badger
And a new character (Wrecking Ball.)
I doubt it'd be this year that they'd give us hero 29.
olive karma
I'm just using an example. Maybe Brian will be the next character 🤔 lol
silk badger
I'm not very up to date.
errant elm
Heroes are released in March July and November
silk badger
Oh.
errant elm
Since launch it has been that way
silk badger
Mkay.
dire timber
lmao
people love to complain about animated shorts being "bad" for not engaging in fanfic-tier writing
silk badger
Low-key I almost cried watching that.
Actually high-key.
I'm too passionate about what I watch for some odd reason.
obtuse star
I thought it was great
but i think the large scale opinion is that Bastion's and Reinhardt's were better
olive karma
I enjoyed those better as well
worthy rose
So dva has the most boring mech of the entire squad
brisk harbor
cunning ledge
The rest were probably designed off that one
So it makes sense
(Out of universe obviously)
olive karma
What exactly does DVA do for a living? She's a pilot, a proffestional gamer, actress, celeb, mechanic. Like what
valid shell
Finally found wifi to watch the short.
cunning ledge
All of those things?
valid shell
It's mediocre.
olive karma
Wow. She should be teaching
sand kraken
She's a workaholic
cunning ledge
Did ya see the map too Binge
olive karma
Lol
iron plume
she's a former professional gamer
and her celebrity stuff is for show by the meka program
her primary job is meka pilot
olive karma
Alrighty then
dire timber
@valid shell why do people say that
sand kraken
though I believe she still plays games (IF she wants free time)
valid shell
0 to 2 is still only a 2.
dire timber
it showed her human side
it fleshed out so much about her, about her life, about her personality, about her MEKA squad
valid shell
rain arrow
But her personality doesn't match her portrayal in the game or even more, how she's considered a celebrity.
sand kraken
Maybe she'll appear more in the comics idk