#lore-discussion
frosty shell
A few days ago there was a discussion on Discord about how Zenyatta's photo is used for this article
IRL it was probably because they hadn't created any other Omnic models
I've heard that the Russian omnium was shut down without the aid of Overwatch
But I couldn't remember a reliable source for this
peak escarp
I feel like I've read that somewhere before too
from Zarya's bio: "Although Russian forces defeated the robots and shut down their omnium, the region was devastated by the conflict."
frosty shell
Oh
That's where
Also, the cinematic trailer shows attacks on Rio, Paris, and Moscow
But that might not be canon considering many of the images used in the cinematic trailer are non-canon
nova elbow
well
Lu'cio (compose key isn't working aaaaah) started a bit of a revolution in Rio, didn't he?
Junkrat and Roadhog did a heist in Paris
and we know Russia is having troubles with Omnics again
so... it could go either way
weary copper
cunning ledge
that is implied
or at least whatever the robot version of PTSD is
bastion remembers what its orders were during the crisis
and has at least once had a flashback by accessing the memories of a fallen bastion
this is obviously supposed to represent PTSD a war veteran might have in real life
(bastion never actually fought in the crisis)
regal coyote
Remember to include status
People like the Shimada's does not seem to be affected much. I mean they are decendants of the main branch of a family even, people would offer best protection they can.
Such is the system.
And seeing old buildings on hamstermura we can assume the part of the city is not affected?
I mean sure it is not great but still they would ahve enough resources for themselves.
Actually we did not know if Bastion had previous tour of duty before this drop that causes his long slumber.
so he may or may not have faught in the omnic war.
But yes implied PTSD for bastion.
Was interested, did doomist fight in omnic war?
With his status he could easily have avoided the fighting.
On Roadhog, his war lasts longer than just Omnic War. After the war australian governmanet raped his land by gifting ti to the omnics, so he fault in the ALF movement against the omnics until they took down the omnium.
gray crag
guys?
valid shell
@gray crag Go ahead.
gray crag
ayt..??
dire timber
@cunning ledge uh
Bastion did fight in the Omnic Crisis
like, it's stated in his bio
cunning ledge
i prefer to ignore that because it's just in a bio which are often inconsistent, and instead look at how his pod crashed into the forest and he never moved from there
you could argue that he was in combat before that but eh
dire timber
um, yeah?
why exactly do you think this would be the one and only occurrence where E54 was deployed?
cunning ledge
because they are extremely disposable
peak escarp
I think the debate is whether this Bastion is fresh off the line or not
dire timber
I think it's silly to think Bastion hasn't seen any conflict at all, where it's kind of a part of his character design that he did
it's like trying to argue whether or not Widowmaker was actually the one to kill her husband
cunning ledge
I always thought that too
it's a bit odd that his "PTSD" flashback in TLB isn't even his own memories
(ignore pronoun use its just easier)
dire timber
it really is
like, if I were to use "it", then it'd keep getting mixed up with other "it"s
while "he" is more intuitive
anyhow, Bastion's got a name that you can use to refer to him specifically
E54
all the other Bastions are always B73
regal coyote
not always B73
and not sure if he is the only one with E54 as the tag, even though supposedly that means daughter of our lord Jeff
But I agree our bastion should have seen real combat before the slumber
valid shell
Except with the case of a robot, you can have it so that Bastion's never seen combat, and is still an effective fighter.
Because humans need training, and robots only require programming.
dire timber
@regal coyote yes always B73
like, all the Omnic Crisis Bastions were marked B73
and so were all the Null Sector Bastions
and Orisa explicitly refers to Bastion as E54
while it's true some other E54s might have existed at some point, this one is the only known Bastion with that label, and the only surviving one
so I think that treating E54 as its name
would make things a whole lot easier
regal coyote
my guess is that E54 either have a really limited run or are all destroyed supposedly
but E54 probably a production model so ther was at least a small run of it at one point.
dire timber
"E54 is one of the Bastion units" is way more intuitive than, you know, "Bastion is one of the Bastion units"
regal coyote
also any proof on the "only b73" bit? i always wonder
regal coyote
think we ahve seen the model number of the null sector bastion, and from memory they are not B73 or B73-NS?
regal coyote
not that you mention i remember the NS part in the name, cause it kinda reads like bastion, just like the ones reads like Orians
regal coyote
can we assume the B73 series being the msot up to date series of bastion then?
we can say the same about the OR, though orisa does not count since she is a custom build
also i assume the prple style armor NS is using provides little difference in terms of performnce, most likely only style and looks difference
nova elbow
perhaps the whole E54 line was glitched and the rest were destroyed as soon as they entered combat
and so our Bastion was the only survivor because of the failed activation
worthy rose
according to the gamepedia wiki our bastion got wounded in battle and went into a dormant state at black forest
peak escarp
Gamepedia is wrong
worthy rose
then after it got woken up by ganymede it wandered out to sweden where torbjörn was tasked with the capturing of it
peak escarp
Bastion never made it to the front lines - it's drop pod landed off target in the forest.
Also there's about 15 years between Bastion waking up and it meeting Torbjorn
worthy rose
I don't know which revision of the wiki was that but it may have been changed since
the last time I checked it
peak escarp
The wiki is written by the public, so it's prone to errors
It's not a reliable source
worthy rose
it's just the generic effect of the crowdsourced information storage websites
peak escarp
The people who update those websites don't do enough research and they have too few sources on most pages
frosty shell
I assume our Bastion isn't the only E-54
Maybe it got put on the drop ship by mistake?
Only B-73s were supposed to go to Eichenwalde, perhaps?
And one E-54 got loaded on
Which is why it was never activated, perhaps?
Bastion's bio says he was "severely damaged in one of the final battles of the war"
I doubt Eichenwalde was one of the final battles
This is probably just an inconsistency in the bio
Or perhaps Bastion was damaged in a later battle
Which would explain why they couldn't find it
More evidence for "the" Bastion not being the only E54
Torbjörn knew what an E54 was
However, he might be the only E54 around now
The B-73 might've been an updated model
Also, Alyssa Wong's tweet makes it seem pretty likely that there'll be a Halloween comic or something of the sort
Either that or D. Va lore
Both of which are OK in my book
timid eagle
Hoping that we will get both D.Va lore and a Halloween comic.
The Ronin, the Preist, the Viking, and the Huntress meet up to defend the castle against the revived Doctor Junkenstein was such a good set up, but it was never reflected in the mode itself.
peak escarp
"Severely damaged" could just mean damaged from being dropped in the forest
The damage doesn't necessarily have to be from combat
haughty thorn
I understang
limpid agate
He never saw combat
worthy rose
Anyone know when the next archives event is?
limpid agate
April
worthy rose
Oh wow
worthy rose
That sounds cool
limpid agate
3 and a half hours from now on Wednesday. Gamescom starts, and OW gets a reveal either at that time, or 45 minutes later
peak escarp
there's also a Korean Fan Fest going on, with Jeff Kaplan and Ben Dai (director of the animated shorts) as guests
so something might come from that
worthy rose
Im pretty out of the loop about these things
Do you subscribe to somthing tonstay updated?
Or just pay alot of attention?
limpid agate
The second one
peak escarp
being active here is a big help
limpid agate
Ive more or less been running this channel for 2 years
peak escarp
people are always talking about new things
worthy rose
Wow, im glad ive joined here then
limpid agate
October 2016 was around the time I made my first list of lore.
If you want to see all the lore has to offer, check pins
At least, all the big things
Theres also the bios on the playoverwatch website, and interactions in game (which are more for personality than substantial story)
worthy rose
Will do
dire timber
@peak escarp Orisa has no model number
her name happens to be based on "OR15", and she is a retrofitted OR15
but that doesn't mean Efi ever gave her that "OR15-A" designation
she just named her "Orisa"
@frosty shell I think the idea behind "our Bastion" being the only known E54 is to allow us to just call it E54, the way Orisa does
"weeeell, it probably wasn't the only one ever" doesn't matter much
the difference is there for us to distinguish E54 from the other Bastions in out-of-universe discussion
nova elbow
does it annoy anyone else that the shorts all say "Blizzard Entertainment presents" but then never show the title?
ebon gazelle
regal coyote
@dire timber sither way orisa is like etsy shit, one of a kind
the only problem is, where did the rest of the OR-15 go
it seem only a limited run of OR-15 exist all for numbani defense
in that one picture there is at least 7-8 though
less than that is killed in the airport
so we can guess there might be a small number of OR15 stille xisting?
dire timber
I dunno, but the OR15 protection program was discontinued
and the parts of the broken OR15s were sold to Efi
regal coyote
while the whole series are decomissioned, numbani ahve omnics rights unfortuantely so even unused OR15 cannot just be executed.
canceled means no further OR15 is produced yes
and the production run of OR15 is short, from numbani ordering it to after doomfist incident
dire timber
it could be that Doomfist destroyed all of them
cause I don't think we're going to see any more OR15s anywhere
regal coyote
so basically ALL the OR15 are deployed together in one go against doomfist
regal coyote
f not the surviving OR15 would be having a fate worse than out bastion
dire timber
but they were being destroyed at the airport, and on the streets
regal coyote
i man, for bastion he is taken in by a master engineer, and have enough similar parts of B series to use as repalcements
the surviving OR15 would ahve nothing
the introduction of OR15 picture make it seem like they are quite abundent for numbani defense even as a pilot program
dire timber
I do wonder whether omnics are capable of changing vessels
regal coyote
so to deploy ALL fo them from different missions to a single route/spot in the city to stop doomie is nto impossible but difficult
dire timber
have their core unplugged from one chassis, and plugging it into another
regal coyote
I guess you can assume OR15 does not get day off as an omnic
well i dont know hore flexible that is
but for sure it is easy for them to have another body for sure
I mean replacing artificial limbs is easy job, taking into account that humns do it with relative ease so we can assume omnics do it much easier.
dire timber
what I do know is that the concept of "backups" is bollocks
once the core is gone, the omnic is gone
regal coyote
not sure if it is something drastically different though, like a quad leg design to a 2 leg stomper
not sure how the core works in omnic
but I assume there is a way to kill them for good, like if not mondetta is revived already
but not sure the corcumstance to kill them for good
like, if the memory bank is in tact can it be reactivitaated?
but whatever it is you can kill them
what is scary is that orisa have past memoried of dead bodies
must be a pain living with all those multiple past lvies
dire timber
I imagine the omnic core as the omnic's brain
and if you critically damage it, the omnic is gone
regal coyote
not sure how omnic is defined as legally dead
dire timber
e.g. what Widow did to Mondatta
regal coyote
in widow's case she comes in prepared
we do not know if it is a regular bullet or specialized assassain's bullet against omnics
regal coyote
in that case then we have two problem
- from where the bullet hit the omnic's brain is NOT in the head
so while it is only game mechanic, a head shot is not deadly to an omnic
- can some/all of mondetta's memory be read?
we know the memory storage unit of omnics are qutie good at preserving memories, from bastion's shot
we also know memories can be backed up ro copied, efi can do it at least
carmine tiger
Why did Reaper change from head of blackwatch to talon
frosty shell
We don't know why Reaper joined Talon
He might've sympathized with them before Overwatch fell
Or he could've gone to Talon because he thought they were the best path forward
regal coyote
we know he is NOT talon at least during venice, and msot likely still not talon during uprising
i think the medical plan is for sure one of the reasons he join talon
frosty shell
As for Mondatta, I can't tell where he got hit because the short doesn't show it
It may be that the omnic brain is too complicated to be backed up
Or maybe omnics can reincarnate?
Or maybe Mondatta's consciousness was transferred to the Iris
Assuming that the Shambali beliefs are connected to Buddhism, he may have preferred an immaterial consciousness to a material body
However, the only way he could do good work on Earth was through his material body
So he stayed alive for as long as he could
Once his physical shell was damaged, he became part of the Iris
Also, it's possible Omnics don't take deactivation as hard as humans do death
Especially if they've become outmoded
I assume the OR-14s had to be retired as well
It's definitely possible that the minds could get transferred over after deactivation
Which makes me wonder: Is Numbani going to build more Orisas?
Orisa can't replace all of the OR-15s by herself
regal coyote
maybe numbani people decide to counter these villians with superb abilities by gethering up a league of people with Extraordinary skills and abilities, or people who would avenge for the good of others, maybe with supreme friendships. They would need some rich people with dead parents though
Cause as we know it extraordinary people with brutally murdered parents are best and only way to fund and power a group of heroes.
dire timber
@regal coyote Moira could have already been a part of Talon during the Venice incident, though
regal coyote
agree
but certainly not gabe
i would say it is even mroe likely than not that moira had been working with talon one way or another even during her blackwatch days
maybe not as spy or something but certainly she is offering "technical and medical advice" of one form or another
frosty shell
Like many people think the smoke abilities of the sniper and assassin are based on Moira's tech
And they might've been brainwashed a la Widowmaker
Which Moira had a part in
regal coyote
well there are some traditions to be followed
snipers may have psionic and ususally have fucked mind (merging with monsters optional, but strange skin tone suggested)
quad leg robotic things have multiple mmories of dea things
and maybe even heroes durning dark for the sake of doing good
point is, blizz likes some archtype and sooner or later those types or variants would be in overwatch, playable or not is debatable
like, despite hots it is unlikely we have a decade cain type of character in ow that is playable
on the venice snipers, the smoke thing is likely an ability related to moira tech
dont see why they should be brainwashed though
oh speaking of which the slasher would be fun as a playable character as we know it from the glitch of korean
dire timber
@regal coyote wait, what on earth are you talking about
psionic?
what?
but yeah, no indication of snipers being brainwashed the way Widow was
conditioning of that sort is likely a tricky procedure, not something to do en masse
peak escarp
why would Moira have had a part in Widowmaker's brainwashing?
that's not a genetics matter, that would be psychology or something
dire timber
I was also skeptical about this, but after Retribution, I feel that it's a bit more likely
peak escarp
Moira's involvement, if any, would be altering her physiology to make her heart beat slower (resulting in blue skin)
which could be done with genetic therapy, according to the rules of the OW universe
dire timber
yep, Moira altering Widow's physiology is pretty much certain
but whether she conditioned her before that is up in the air
peak escarp
and altering her physiology didn't happen until after she murdered Gerard and went back to Talon
dire timber
mhmn
peak escarp
she wasn't blue when Overwatch rescued her from the initial kidnapping
dire timber
@dapper shuttle we know that the archeologists affiliated with Oasis
the scanning drones
they're on Oasis, Petra, and Ayutthaya
valid island
Hello booiiz
dire timber
I didn't mention Illios, but the messages confirm that Petra, Illios, and Ayutthaya are part of the same project
valid island
Hello??
dire timber
yes?
do you have anything lore-related to say, or are you just here for some pointless casual talk?
if it's the latter, I'd recommend #general-discussion
valid island
"Yes?"
Really
dire timber
this channel has a very specific topic
dapper shuttle
What do you think about the sunglasses on Ilios Yayer-Oz?
valid island
Wow I can't read...
dapper shuttle
sounds about right
dapper shuttle
bye
valid island
Bye
dapper shuttle
So yes, Oasis is affiliated to the archeo faction, but unless Oasis is directly linked to Talon and they're best buds, the archeo guys aren't with Talon
Talon sent an assassin to start a war
doubt she's on security guard duty
dire timber
Oasis is in a similar situation to Vishkar
we know both Oasis and Vishkar have one of their own on the Talon council
but we don't know whether Oasis and Vishkar's leadership even know about it
dapper shuttle
Do you think I'm right about the timing, her being in Ilios very shortly after Masquerade?
peak escarp
that makes sense
dapper shuttle
😊
So, if we know what Widow is up to, do you think there's some clue out there that'd let us know what Sombra, Reaper and Moira are up to?
Where should we check
peak escarp
probably not
slow burn and all
but they might add something later
so it's a good idea to give every map a once-over every major patch
especially patches that add new heroes and maps
dire timber
@dapper shuttle you could check whether there's something related to Searching in Dorado or Castillo
dapper shuttle
Well there's a graffiti that says "RIP COL-" and the rest is covered by another tag
so los muertos might be thinking that sombra is dead, cuz of the explosion she planned
if someone was watching the scene, all they saw was zarya carrying an omnic on her shoulder, out of a warehouse on fire
the same zarya that's been asking around about sombra
doesn't take a genius to assume zarya killed sombra
worthy rose
so i just heard about lore today so i was wondering where i could get started with lore
limpid agate
Pins
worthy rose
genuine question ik it sounds silly but are Brig and Rein in a relationship?
limpid agate
@worthy rose No 2 heroes have a romantic relationship, as far as we know.
The closest one to a tease is Genji/Mercy
And even that is just mild teasing
worthy rose
genji and mercy????????
.-.
they are 100% bed buddies
as in pillow fights and kisses
brisk harbor
?
worthy rose
Ummm McHanzo?????
limpid agate
Hanzo and McCree have never met
Its a popular fan ship because, way back when McCree was revealed
They were the only two dudes that were not old men or non-humans
The roster at the time of his reveal was Winston, Torb, Rein, Zenyatta, Reaper, Hanzo, and McCree
There is no lore bases to McHanzo
It only exists because Lucio/Junkrat/Genji/Doomfist didnt exist
worthy rose
(It is a really cute ship though if you ever want to check it out)
limpid agate
I dont
Its not lore, so I dont care
Goes wtih 99% of ships
Genji/Mercy is the only one with any base
worthy rose
I can’t get behind it though
limpid agate
And thats just because of Reflections and the Valentines voicelines that never went live
dire timber
@short vortex why the fuck would that be a relationship
valid shell
@worthy rose It doesn't matter how much of a low-effort 'east meets west' ship McHanzo is, it's completely baseless.
tidal anchor
Reinhardt is Brigittie's Godfather, right?
limpid agate
Correct
patent gust
Does the AI that translates for Hammond/Wrecking Ball have a name? Like J.A.R.V.I.S. in Iron Man? If it doesn’t it should.
young raptor
i think all we know is that it's not an omnic
valid shell
@patent gust You can call the mech Wrecking Ball.
That's the convention we've stuck to.
patent gust
Right. I was just wishing that the AI had more of an identity separate than Wrecking Ball. Since I feel like that’s the mech’s name/Hammond’s alter-ego (new identity?)
I guess the question is whether the AI and physical mech are one in the same, or two entities that work together but can be removed from each other.
valid shell
Nah.
We already have three robots with varying degrees of sapience.
Having a mech that's just a simple AI is something unique.
Too far in one direction and Wrecking Ball becomes Orisa with a hamster inside. Too far in the other direction, we get a MEKA.
It strikes a nice balance.
patent gust
You’ve got a point.
valid shell
I usually do!
regal coyote
@valid shell agree
and the omnics are not the only ones with AI
snowball have AI too, with att least a pet level of thinking
valid shell
It seems to understand higher concepts like humor and self-sacrifice.
regal coyote
really smart dog woul ddo it too
so yeah a smart animal/pet
i would say wball is a smarter siri of sorts.
or the typical piloting software AI for ships in a scifi setting
Oh the widowmaker brainwash thing, i am not saying moira is not involved, but being a shrink is not her specialty. Her specilty is biotic and/or genetic modification.
So for sure moira is the widowmakermaker, when it comes to her body upgrades, and even her numbing of emotions.
but for things like brainwashing i suspect there is another person involved
also the psionic type of reference on the talon snipers is mostly cause how similar some of their stuff is to Ghosts/Spectre of other blizzard stuff. I mean as we know it in hots nova have widowmaker, and in ow widowmaker have nova/karrigon
regal coyote
nope
mercy is not involved
tech might be developed by mercy but it is moira who is doing the upgrades
and gabe's other conditions was something from way back as soldier:24
dire timber
@worthy rose no indication of any Mercy's involvement
Reyes was first genetically enhanced as part of the Soldier Enhancement Project, which improved his speed, strength, stamina, just like Morrison
later on, over a decade after the Omnic Crisis, Reyes recruited Moira, who then experimented on Reyes, giving him his smoke abilities
the only involvement of Mercy's is that Moira used modified Mercy tech without Mercy's permission or knowledge, using it in ways that she never intended.
worthy rose
Good point, good point, I forgot about the whole modified thing ;-;
regal coyote
actually we do not even know what upgrades reyes got from the super soldier program
he could well have different upgrades from jack
also there is chance reyes's upgrades causing problem causing him to get moira for help, for whatever reason.
And yes everyone and their mom can molest mercy's experiment results and create things she dont agree with.
I mean even torby does that
We know mercy does not like that ana rifle
Guess she is fine with soldier's healing canister though, since it is merely healing and not weaponized.
flint briar
Poor mercy, getting her heals turn into weapons
dire timber
@regal coyote why do people act like SEP is such a mystery
it's really just in the name
it's all about the upgrades ala Captain America
and why do people insist that Reyes had any genetic issues due to SEP?
that sounds like a big assumption based on Chu saying that "Reyes wanted Moira to help him with genetics"
which could easily just be a request for upgrades
not a therapy of any sort
it's like, jumping to an assumption, and treating the assumption like it's canon
regal coyote
because even things like capt america process have glitches
especially when it comes to the cloned versions and derived versions.
So the early version of the process might be flawed.
Remember, in the original capt america there are many who would use the process or variant there of to create different super soldiers and some are flawed.
hell even black widow is supposed to have a version of supersoldier serum in her from the red room.
yes there is a chance gabe just wanted upgrades
but if that is the case that would mean moira have at least created similar warrriors before reaper?
in a way a proto-reaper would be cool af really
something powerful, but less controlable and flawed
valid shell
Depending on when Moira became involved with Talon, the Heavy or Assassin might just be proto-Reapers.
regal coyote
Heavassassain might be part of it yes
heavy is unlikely, quite different skill set and ability
though it might still be moira's doing
also the reaper assassain, most likely some kind of enhanced speed
might even be stolen stuff from genji's project
valid shell
Yup.
All the Talon units might be reverse-engineered from Reaper, Genji, Tracer, etc.
Maybe even Ana's brainscans for the Sniper.
dire timber
I mean
Tracer wasn't an agent yet back then
she was just a pilot
but Slipstream tech could've indeed been used
regal coyote
what slipatream tech?
from what we know there is no way to make a tracer
it is at best an accident
the slipstream is a giant plane, and unlikely talon being able to micronized that to portable status, let alone as part of an agile warrior
I would say it is more from a version of genji's dash attack.
but obviously the assassains themselves are without years of training as genji.
Not sure if there is anything gained from ana's scan though
for all it is ana's cybernetic eye is destroyed during the incident, and her flashy bits is none too impressive, being an unmodified human base.
Now now, her biotic eye thing might be recovered by talon though
ans if voicelines were to be believable there is for sure ability to repeat the process of making a functional ana eye
errant elm
What actually happened at horizon, monkeys gone mad and wild and killed the scientists? Winston and Hammond escaped. Are there any more survivors?
I feel like OW lore was kinda lackluster, but I think that Moira has been an interesting character lore wise.
iron plume
What you mentioned is basically all we know
peak escarp
@dire timber it is assumed that Reyes was having complications from his SEP conditioning and hired Moira to help with that because of his expression in the image where she's working on him
This isn't something he wanted
when people asked Nesskain about it, he said it was a frightened expression
if he was looking for upgrades to his abilities, this wasn't what he had in mind
errant elm
I really want to see something revealed about Horizon, they were like regaining connection with the lunar base right? Maybe we’ll see some survivors. I also want to see something with Mei, but that’s cuz I am a Mei main.
timid eagle
Mei will probably have something related to Earth's environment, rather than the Lunar situation.
frosty shell
Evidence that SEP had something to do with Reaper's condition is that Moira has the Soldier: 24 folder in her lab
frosty shell
Maybe
peak escarp
and didn't Chu say Reyes hired her because he was having genetics issues?
dire timber
nope, he hired Moira because he wanted her help with something genetics-related
that's pretty much what Chu said
peak escarp
ah
dire timber
there wasn't anything said specifically about Reyes experiencing any genetic issues before that
peak escarp
I'm rewatching the What's New panel from Blizzcon 2017 where they talk about Moira, and I just realized - she experimented on herself and got her gross claw hand before she met Reyes
I've seen people assume that Reaper's face should look like her arm because her arm was an early attempt at gaining wraith abilities
but that's not the case
timid eagle
That, and the general reaction to WHAT Gabe had become.
A high-functioning psychopath, that is.
peak escarp
I'm sure we could get a mod to arrange that for you Wallynator
raven vortex
You can stop
valid shell
@peak escarp We can see from her origins vid that Moira's process was experimenting on the rabbit, then herself, then Reyes.
peak escarp
She did experiment on herself after her work on Reyes (to perfect the wraith ability), but the disfigured arm wasn't part of that
timid eagle
I always liked this spray, as it showed that Moira's obsession with tinkering with genetics had started at a young age.
cedar moon
It’s sad and cute
regal coyote
why would that be sad
her passion successfully made her up to the minister of genetics in Oasis no less
frosty shell
What if her differently colored eyes are what inspired her to go into genetics?
knotty iris
tardy finch
valid shell
@tardy finch Source?
haughty thorn
Why are her eyes different colors even when she was young?
lean silo
valid shell
@hearty bear Possibly.
hearty bear
i've seen people say that he's gonna be the next homoman
hearty bear
right
peak escarp
At one point (SDCC 2016 panel) Michael Chu said Jack was a year younger than Reyes
We know that Reyes was 50 during Retribution 8 years ago, so Reaper is 58
Making Jack 57
honest cipher
😂
silk badger
Ohh okay.
I can live peacefully, now that my question has finally been answered after months of searching.
peak escarp
Glad to help
silk badger
nwn
silk badger
Headcannon that Reaper listens to Barbie Girl whenever he goes on a killing spree.
valid shell
@silk badger Source?
silk badger
Wh-
limpid agate
@silk badger This isnt the place for that
This channel is for Serious discussions strictly related to Overwatch's lore.
silk badger
oof sorry
tidal anchor
Is there any scientific explanation about how mercy is able to revive people?
limpid agate
Mercy cannot rez
tidal anchor
So it's strictly a gameplay thing?
rose escarp
yes
tidal anchor
I see, thank you.
silk badger
Ohhh
Wow, and all this time I've actually thought Mercy could rez outside gameplay.
Role-play is confusing.
brazen river
overwatch lore is RUINING my IMMERSION
regal coyote
well i suspect you are not dead but in critical in most cases anyways. not as rediculous as "pikachu fainted" but you get the idea
that said, mercy can for sure at least stablized soemone in super critical condition
i mean the injury on genji pretty much calls for last rits and a quick (small) coffin measurement but mercy manage to keep him alive and give him parts that matters
and he is now super functional, and even with a nice hard butt
dire timber
phew
silk badger
I never said I was roleplaying here, I meant roleplay in various other places, lmao.
Also gotta fucking love that Mystery Skulls icon.
spiral dove
Are Rein and Brigitte related?
cunning ledge
reinhardt is her godfather
rose hedge
New short on Wednesday
What are the odds it is related to the war Doomfist wants to start?
nova elbow
low? that would require Blizzard to actually advance the story
D.Va short seems most likely imo
but they could surprise us
dire timber
D.va could be likely
she was neglected for a very long time
while being one of the most popular heroes
nova elbow
and they've been sort of alluding to it with the stuff on the Busan map
I reckon a Pharah short would involve her joining Neoverwatch so that probably won't happen just yet
unless that's exactly what's about to happen
her and Sym do have comics already, unlike Zenya and D.Va
but then so did Reinhardt/Brigitte
olive karma
Who was the omnic assassinated by widow maker again?
nova elbow
Mondatta
olive karma
Thx. Why couldn't they have just transferred Mondatta's consciousness to another body?
frank gorge
hey, new animated short coming on wednesday
also i assume due to mondatta's "awakening" he wouldn't be the same if they tried to rebuild him
nova elbow
it's a good question
possibly Omnics choose not to take backups as they wish to be human (and also store important data in their heads)
or perhaps something to do with whatever makes them conscious means that they can only possess one body each
tidal anchor
But he is confirmed dead, as stated by zenyatta's and tracer's interaction, I think.
frank gorge
i assume we'll never hear more about soundquake or other characters mentioned in the cinematic trailer
nova elbow
I wouldn't count it out given Doomfist's existence
but that was driven by high fan demand, which isn't as significant for Soundquake
I guess it just comes down to if the dev team comes up with a good idea for Soundquake
dire timber
@nova elbow there's no reason for Pharah's short to involve joining Overwatch any more than S76's did
@olive karma there's no reason to believe "transferring consciousness" or "consciousness backups" are even possible.
nova elbow
other than that making sense in real life
but we know... well, nothing about how omnic consciousness actually works
dire timber
nope, even in real life, closed circuits are a thing
people are way too used to all kinds of data being just a matter of copying stuff on an USB stick
there's no omnic backups - the fact that Mondatta stays dead is a clear indicator of that
olive karma
So like, not joking, what if there was a USB of is conscious. Because if we're in the future with advanced ai, it would make sense to be able to remake them. But I like Whizzers take saying its a choice to be more human
dire timber
I believe that omnic consciousness is all stored in a core unit
olive karma
Like a cloud?
dire timber
... no, like a CPU
dire timber
the core, the omnic brain, would be able to interface with the network
it would be able to transfer information, or memories, but it would be unable to transfer the consciousness itself
once the brain circuit suffers critical damage, it's gone
the omnic's gone
olive karma
So each omnic cannot have their mind copied, and they work separately solo not connected to anything else, so if destroyed, they're dead
dire timber
yep
that being said, I do think it might be possible to disconnect the brain circuit from a chassis and connect it to another
olive karma
That makes sense.
peak escarp
think of it like a person
if you took a person's memories and gave them to someone else, it wouldn't be the same person
regal coyote
@dire timber on omnic you are not totally right
There can be backup on memory and it is available. the fact you can read a (dead) omnic memory proves that point.
That having said, being able to read memory is different from backing up a "self"
or a "ghost" so to speak as in ghost in the shell
So technically you can clone omnics and give them the same memory, but their personality would not be the same totally
It is another omnic with same memory so to speak
peak escarp
we don't have any proof of backing up memory
regal coyote
For memories, we know bastion can read other omnics, and we know orisa have memories of some of the deat ones.
peak escarp
only that omnics retain memories in their hard drives after death
olive karma
Lucio's legs look too unnatural to be real
peak escarp
Orisa kept the hard drive of the OR15 she was made from
Bastion read the hard drive of a dead Bastion unit
regal coyote
yes memories, which is part of what we are
peak escarp
they are confirmed to be real @olive karma
it's just Overwatch's stylism
same as Pharah's arms and legs
regal coyote
so yeah if you find a full omnic backup you can get most of the memories (probably not using shit tech like harddrive but whatever it is)
olive karma
@peak escarp they're bent back like a horse. But OK
peak escarp
what?
regal coyote
that said even with same memory it does not record all experiences, so the omnic resulted from a "clone" would not be the same
peak escarp
Lucio's legs bend normally
regal coyote
Oh on les, it is styles, most serious crime on legs and ankles is hanzo, as admitted by chu
My point being ... even if you load all of mondetta's memory in a body you wont get another mondatta that is the same.
but yes if you do that at the least you get some smart omnic, legal or not
I am sure someone can and are willing to do it, people like moira
peak escarp
what I'm saying is that there's nothing to suggest that backing up an omnic's memory is even possible
regal coyote
obviously not moira herself, but soemoen with the same mindset and a different stance/specilization
olive karma
I would send a pic of his legs from an angle but I can't?
peak escarp
regardless of how much sense it makes
upload it onto imgur and send the link
every instance of omnic memories being read has been from their original chassis
regal coyote
my point is yes it is possible, but it is only useful in the sense you get info from it, as memory is not "ghost" but only a small part of it
olive karma
Don't know how man. But for me the bend back oddly as if he should be leaning forward
regal coyote
from the mouth of chu his legs are human in an exoskeleton
yes it looks stupid sometimes
it is art style
peak escarp
it could just be stretch animations
regal coyote
and surely your opinion is way beneath lord chu which is the be all end all of lore
peak escarp
they do that all the time to push the cartoony-ness of Overwatch's animation
regal coyote
to mke motions look more "smooth" between frames they do stretches
olive karma
Ya I know. He has legs, the game is a cartoonist art style, they just look too odd for them to be straight
regal coyote
most famous is mccree's fuckied up elongated faces in his rolling animation
you dont think mccree's head is plastic right?
olive karma
Like they're being bent
regal coyote
yes it si animation problem, but by ore it is still leg inside
olive karma
OK then
dire timber
@olive karma well, lore-wise, his legs are fine
frank gorge
its the style of ingame animation
it bends to make it look a bit more cartoony
its why lucio's legs can look so messed up
because of the way animation works in the game
regal coyote
all i can say
it is the animation process
dont tell me mccree can make his dead do that
frank gorge
lucio's dreadlocks just shooting straight up into the air is funny
he looks like spongebob's house
peak escarp
good old T-pose
frank gorge
this is more of an A pose
frank gorge
ok this is a literal A pose
he looks like the letter A
sso uh
zen's legs aren't actually posed?
like, they modeled part of them in the sitting position?
peak escarp
yep
frank gorge
what does orisa's tpose look like
dire timber
@frank gorge Lucio's default appearance has this bizarre contrast with Equalizer that I can't describe
limpid agate
We only have reference kits for the launch heroes
dire timber
like
I can't picture Lucio changing his Equalizer look for Classic
the hair is so much different
limpid agate
Equalizer is cool and probably used for shows
Classic looks like a more casual outfit
peak escarp
we don't have a reference kit for Orisa
frank gorge
equalizer, that's the one that was his original design when they were first doing designs?
peak escarp
but we do have some model sheets
regal coyote
well he an MC so he probably have lots of looks for stage
same can be said with d.va
peak escarp
frank gorge
lmfao
haughty thorn
What do you guys hope the animated short is going to be about?
coral nexus
i hope its a lucio or zen cinematic
haughty thorn
I hope it's about the fight in the swiss hq
coral nexus
you never know
limpid agate
Im expecting DVa
Gamescom and Korean Fan event are at the same exact time
Jeff is in Korea
The others are at Gamescom
So DVa short is my guess
haughty thorn
Dva ResidentSleeper
coral nexus
🤔
haughty thorn
Reaper 76 HYPERDANSGAME
valid shell
No.
brisk harbor
Soldier 24
dapper egret
Theres no way it's not dva, and I say that as a zen onetrick that is starved for lore
winter wigeon
"The world is changing once again hanzo
and it's time to pick a side"
Genji to Hanzo on dragons cinematic
Clans confirmed 😂😂😂
brisk harbor
?
dire timber
no shitposting
my bets are Pharah, Symmetra, or Zenyatta
and D.va as well, I guess
limpid agate
With the Korean fan event
Most of my chips are on her
Also with other things
The DVa retcon
The MEKA F1 pilot
Busan
Shes gotten a lot of minor things, but nothing substantial
Lucio got his dad, but... Thats still not much compared to the DVa buildup
nova elbow
Lúcio's dad?
limpid agate
His dad made the Vishkar... Uhhh
Its either
Core Tech
Or Cortec™ (spelling variable)
cunning ledge
Let's be honest there's no way it's just Core Tech
That sounds nowhere near cool enough
But yeah this was revealed in a voice line he has with Mercy
limpid agate
Lemme find the quote
Yeah its Core Tech
The core tech was his life's work. Owned and patented by Vishkar. But it's mine now.
dire timber
where's this from?
cause if it's not confirmed by something official
then it's also just an interpretation of the audio
limpid agate
Its from the subtitles
nova elbow
what was Mercy's line?
dire timber
"I never realized you father was the one who developed Vishkar's sonic technology. "
@limpid agate still curious, what subtitles?
nova elbow
yeah, he just means the core technology that powers the sonic stuff
not Core Tech™ or something
nova elbow
interesting tidbit though
limpid agate
There are subtitles, they're just not in game
serene delta
you guys heard a new cinematic is gonna be released
valid shell
ofc
serene delta
who do yall think will be in it
im hopping for some type of short with a new map or smth
hoping*
limpid agate
DVa probably
valid shell
@serene delta I doubt it will be a new map, since it takes time to make cinematics.
So they'd have to pull from the current selection.
So it will either be a current map, or a new setpiece, like Last Bastion.
limpid agate
There will likely be a map as well as the short
But the short doesnt have to be from the map
dapper egret
If only there was a stadium-like map based in korea for a professional gamer to compete in within a cinematic
valid shell
That would make for a dry setting.
dire timber
um, I'm not sure if Lucioball stadiums are even canon
we know that the scenery outside them is
but the stadiums themselves? doubtful
serene delta
lucio ball stadiums dont take as much time and effort as a real 2cp or payload map would
id love to see another control point or 2cp map in korea
valid shell
Someday.
But I doubt a D.Va cinematic would take place there.
If we were getting a new SK map, we wouldn't have gotten Busan Lucioball.
limpid agate
The stadiums themselves have no reason to be canon. Lucioball isnt real for obvious reasons.
But the scenery outside should be
Compare Sydney Harbour Stadium to Going Legit
dire timber
@valid shell I mean, Sydney Harbor was released just before Junkertown, iirc
valid shell
True!
valid shell
I'm all about different formats for cinematics.
limpid agate
Id rather one of her livestreams for part of the cinematic
Rather than a mockumentary
valid shell
We've seen dialogue-heavy ones like Honor and Glory, Rise and Shine, and there's been completely silent ones like Last Bastion.
dreamy oxide
I want more lore on D.va's backstory i think a gamemode where you would fight agaisnt the giant omnic in the sea would be really nice.
frank gorge
i just want another side to d.va, preferably one where she's not all "HA GOTEM WINKY FACE"
frank gorge
rip d.va personality
i mean i wanted a pharah cinematic last year but we didn't get that
it might not even be a d.va cinematic
i really want a d.va cinematic because she's starved of lore
limpid agate
Theres more pointing to DVa than just the poster
frank gorge
but i'd also like to see some zenny boy lore
silk badger
We need Zenny boi lore
valid shell
You're not wrong.
brisk harbor
Dva can be serious sometimes
Like her line in eichenwalde
Well more sad
But it's different tone from her usual cheery attitude
potent briar
brisk harbor
Pharah has infinitely more lore than the characters u listed above
More pharah lore would be gud but I believe other characters deserve more
scarlet willow
Lucio lore is, that he’s written out
limpid agate
@scarlet willow Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
timid eagle
I’m waiting for the day when Pharah & Ana will meet again. Imagine a short where Helix Security has to track-down the infamous Shrike, only for Pharah is reunited with her mother.
Pharah would be filled with mixed emotions, & probably wouldn’t be able to comprehend what her mum did.
haughty thorn
An omnic crisis map would be pog
peak escarp
what does that even mean?
valid shell
Is this some kind of Fortnite streamer meem?
limpid agate
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
Also, there is an Omnic Crisis map @haughty thorn
Its Eichenwalde
haughty thorn
PogChamp is a twitch emote
limpid agate
No one cares
haughty thorn
limpid agate
This channel is for lore, not Twitch memes
valid shell
"Look mom, I posted the funny frog again!"
limpid agate
I wonder if we will get a lore related map this time
Can someone list the core maps added post launch please
limpid agate
Thailand isnt core
Okay so
Every year they get:
1 Major lore map
1 Minor lore map
1 New map out of nowhere
Horizon
Eichenwalde
Oasis
haughty thorn
Horizon lunar colony
timid eagle
A lot of people hate Blizzard World for "not being cannon or lore-related" or whatever, but I like it as a 'What-If?' where Blizzard becomes so popular in the future, they can have their own multimedia conglomerate and stuff.
Besides, did the developers say that Blizzard World exists/doesn't exist in the Overwatch world?
iron plume
it is canon
the references to overwatch heroes (like the scoreboard) are iffy, but its existence isn't
timid eagle
Ah, that's a relief.
limpid agate
It is canon
But it is not important
Oasis when it came out was unrelated to everyone until Moira 11 months later
Blizzneyland will never be relevant
At best, itll be the backdrop of a short or event
dapper egret
They broke yearly tradition with lack of summer games cosmetics, it's not out of the question theyll break it with maps too
limpid agate
Thats not the same at all
tidal anchor
If it cannot be both, would you guys rather have more explanations about things in the past, or something that continues the story onward?
iron plume
onward
we have all the backstory of present heroes, even if some are in broad strokes
OC and history of overwatch would be nice, but not as interesting as continuing the recall story
hard stone
your way to define broad strokes is broad indeed, especially when it comes to Hana and Zen. 😃
sharp lintel
If the short is about blavkwatch's past I'll give up on the game giving more story to any more unexplored characters like Lucio or zen
errant elm
Tbh OW would have been 10x better if they made an army of Snowball’s (Mei’s companion) to fight against the omnics.
valid shell
@shadow nacelle This is an English server.
shadow nacelle
@valid shell не понял
iron plume
хватит спамить пинги, долбоеб
ebon laurel
🤔
iron plume
back to your usual programming folks
regal coyote
Serious thought
WHAT IF the new animation is not lore?
like, what if it is some LEGO animation?
in which case soery, i refuse to accept heroes being lego is part of lore.
same goes for claymation
cunning ledge
there's no way it's that
although I am secretly hoping that lego is made canon to the lore somehow
obtuse geyser
Maybe different lego sets could tell stories from the lore
cunning ledge
if the primary lore source for the future is lego sets then something is horribly wrong here
tidal anchor
I agree.
valid shell
If it was lego, they wouldn't announce it.
They would just release it, like the anniversary cake stop motion.
regal coyote
yeah, ow characters who can instantly build items for use and pick up loose bodyparts
granted, symmetra can do that first part
valid shell
This is a non-conversation and not lore related.
regal coyote
But there is chance for nerf and/or lego animation, just saying
if we see timmy/brian running around with nerf guns made canon i wouldsay "fuck this shit" also
valid shell
There's a chance for Overwatch on ice. Doesn't mean it's a valid lore topic.
iron plume
They did announce the stop motion
valid shell
Before it aired?
iron plume
they announced there'd be a "special surprise" or something like that
regal coyote
@valid shell it is related dude. it is speculation on animation short coming on wednesday, which is msotly lore material.
I am just saying there is chance of non-lore material instead, with the claymation being cited as a nice pretty but non-canon production by blizz itself.
valid shell
"It might be lego or nerf lol" isn't applicable.
We can talk for ages about the chance that things might be non-lore.
regal coyote
also it is not improbable that they would do something for the two lines of toys included, since both nerf and lego is on the korean thing timetable, also lego was announcing some "coming soon" with support of some twits
I am saying, if they show something liek timmy/brian playing with an overwatch nerf, would that be lore
or ignorable.
now fan publication we obviously ignore, but a blizz official publication is effy one (except for hots)
nova elbow
the short on Wednesday is not going to be Lego, that makes no sense
spiral dove
Any theories on Liao?
iron plume
no
right now they're a name in an old post, and their actual appearance was canceled
they might be included or added later, and might not be
As of now they basically don't exist
dire timber
@regal coyote there won't be anything to do with Lego, where the hell did you get that from
regal coyote
Last we hear something about "special surprise" I was overjoyed. Turns out it is not animation short, instead we get a nice claymation.
It was lovely really, but no lore in it.
worthy rose
what possible short we could get?
brisk harbor
Dva
young raptor
zenyatta
hot plinth
regal coyote
some other character
tawny patio
All the sources I usually go to for predictions say D.Va, but with no concrete evidence for once it could just be that’s what they hope for
They mostly accurately predicted the new legendary skin characters, they were a day off with Wrecking Ball release and they were two days off for Summer Games release
(Note these are people I play with)
So I’m gonna dare to believe it’s a D.Va cinematic
limpid agate
First Thursday release for Summer Games
Hammond though should have been normal expected dates. Both Tuesdays
tawny patio
The first thursday was the 2nd 👀
regal coyote
was hopefully getting some other korean character? playable or not it should be cool
tawny patio
kid from the museum as a hero when
tawny patio
Tbh what would a D.Va short even be about beyond exactly what her bio write up says about her...
Unless I’ve missed something there’s no characters in or around her area to tie her with anyone already around rn
And to make it an isolated skit would be a drag
dire timber
my wishlist is Pharah, Symmetra, and Zenyatta
but signs point to D.va
@tawny patio we got the Busan map, and there's an Overwatch event in Korea at the same time as Gamescom
which makes people think it's gonna be D.va
regal coyote
storywise i would say symmetra/lucio is going to get another comic or short for sure, it is a matter of time.
the pharah arc though, I dont know if it is time yet. My guess is most likely a Pharah focus story would include her meeting Ana/76
since pharah would not have the right to recieve a recall signal, mostly 76 give the coin to pharah, so to speak
Actually scratch that both Ana/S76 have no right to get recall signal also. Legally dead people ahve no rights
errant elm
Maybe we’ll get a Korean hacker guy
raven swan
Just gonna sit and listen in...
errant elm
Maybe there’s another evil corporation in Korea
Who’s focussed on money
And Dva knows about them and tries to stop them as they tried to bribe her in some way (maybe to lose a tournament, or smth meka related)
Maybe they have their own AI based army and they want to sell that to the government, but they need to stop the Meka’s if so
Mark my words
limpid agate
@errant elm I recommend you read the lore before coming up with zany baseless theories
errant elm
Korean evil corporation
raven swan
Wow. @limpid agate No sense of fun.
errant elm
What in the lore says that it isn’t possible? True I haven’t read it
limpid agate
errant elm
But how else could they make Dva interesting, to me she’s just a really good gamer who fights big omnic
limpid agate
@raven swan Serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch
errant elm
Lore speculation?
raven swan
Omnics that crawl out of the sea! So cool!
native kayak
will there be another archives event?
limpid agate
@native kayak April
native kayak
Ooh ok thank you!
raven swan
@limpid agate who said it was serious? Overwatch is a work of fiction containing a freaking battle hamster.
Seriousness be damned.
errant elm
^^
cunning ledge
the channel description did
errant elm
But in what way is me trying to come up with an idea for Dva lore not lore related?
limpid agate
@errant elm Did I ping you with the warning?
raven swan
I want to see a character that fights ocean omnics. Like a deep sea diver defending a research outpost.
errant elm
No
limpid agate
No, I pinged the guy telling me to have a sense of fun
errant elm
Fair enough
limpid agate
Read the bio I linked
errant elm
But in what way is my idea against Dva’s lore?
limpid agate
You should see the biggest flaw
errant elm
Aiit
limpid agate
But for every problem:
- Korean hacker guy - Baseless character speculation
- Evil corporation - Baseless organization speculation
- AI Based army - MEKA was originally this. It didnt work. Thats why DVa is a Pilot. Because AI dont work.
- Some AI company trying to sell their shit to the government - They know it didnt work the first time. Even with no MEKA they wont do it
If you can find me a single thing in all of Overwatch to support your claim, Ill consider humouring you. But there isnt anything
errant elm
Alright like, but without the AI it is possible
errant elm
So how would you see blizzard making Dva’s thing?
You want them to like, just show you the attacks on Korea and how she became a Meka pilot?
There has to be something that isn’t revealed yet
errant elm
Korean Kaiju = Korean leader?