Shame it isn’t lore though
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
I think Meteor is their Nike/Addidas . . . a way to put a brand name on sports gear without paying royalties
dire timber
it's my least favorite of the new Summer Games skins
that being said
it's fun to see Winston actually get an interesting Legendary skin again
Specimen 28 was a big disappointment
peak escarp
I like the sunglasses
worthy rose
oh I saw an "early doomfist footage" video
and it's on the wiki too
don't know where's that video from, but it's pretty sure from an event
peak escarp
not really lore related, but cool
frosty shell
And the Lunar New Year stuff wasn't fake, it was just so generic that it wasn't provable
worthy rose
it also features an early version of orisa shield
limpid agate
@frosty shell It was wrong.
It said expect Genji/Hanzo skins, and maybe Tracer
Neither got skins, Tracer did get her epic
frosty shell
Not really, it said "expect skins for the usual," not an exact prediction
He probably didn't know which skins they were getting so he just guessed who he thought would get ones
Blizzyleaks (or his information source) likely didn't work on the art team, which is where the skins came from
limpid agate
He said it on the immediate same post as
"I only want to speak to what i know about"
frosty shell
I would say that him saying "maybe Tracer" meant that despite his warning at the beginning of his post, he was still guessing as to the specifics
valid shell
@limpid agate
limpid agate
@lone nimbus Shitposting will result in a loss of access
carmine stream
ежжи бля пизда хаммонд хомяк ставь лайк если не знал
limpid agate
@carmine stream Говорите по-английски.
tranquil sun
when is the next short coming out?
dire timber
I think a month or so
rigid anchor
cunning ledge
Summer games has no connection to the next short
clear pendant
Idk anymore
jaunty path
D.va Short pleaaaaaaaseee
Maybe during her time in the Busan Police
Or her rise in the MEKA
jaunty path
Well she was a police officer in Busan before joining the MEKA
regal coyote
ok, beach look d.va is cute yes. but grandma Ana is lovely
the rest is meh so far.
I mean it is not bad, but not special either
D.Va is a movie star, but not sure if there is any known featured movie with her as an officer
dire timber
@jaunty path that skin isn't canon
before she was recruited by MEKA, she was a pro-gamer
and she also doubled as an actress, I guess
but there's nothing in the lore about her being a police officer
regal coyote
Actress is canon
due to all posters and what not and her appearance on TV
though I suppose it is sort of an USO-show like situation
so when not in combat type mission she does mvoeie/watever star type of things
both as propaganda and as her own stardom career
regal coyote
well
why else would things like her combat footage be aired?
I mean surely it is a decision that D.Va herself cannot make alone
dire timber
the idea behind using terms like "propaganda" is that there's a hidden agenda behind it
regal coyote
please dont be political about it
traditionally department responsable for these stuff in military is called and refered to as propaganda
so I am using it as the neutral and technical meaning of the word
It is something that is done by all parties and all government, and not necessarily a bad thing
limpid agate
@tranquil sun @rigid anchor @Who put you on the planet,EAUGHH#7449 Shorts come out with Gamescom and Blizzcon. The reason why you connect it to Summer Games is because both happen in August. They are unrelated entirely. Gamescom is where you will get a short.
@regal coyote Stop trying to inexplicibly defend random skins
So what if DVa is an actress
Hero of my Storm is not some buddy cop movie
regal coyote
??
not defending anything "D.Va is a movie star, but not sure if there is any known featured movie with her as an officer"
Just saying .
not defending, but saying that i do not see proof of her acting in any way as a cop
peak escarp
She seems to have done a lot in her life for someone who is only 19
peak escarp
Nothing like a teenaged pro gamer turned celebrity turned combat veteran to make you feel inadequate
deft shard
So im new to this who's lore are we supposed to talk about?
cunning ledge
Any lore you want to
deft shard
Ok
worthy rose
any overwatch lore
valid shell
@worthy rose Yes.
peak escarp
I'm trying to compile a list of any new lore we've gotten in July
There isn't much, but so far I've got:
- Junkrat's riptire was inspired by watching Wrecking Ball fight (from the art stream)
- Pharah's raptora suit has an internal AI (from the SDCC panel, may have been retconned/the idea might have been dropped)
- Junker Queen was able to take over Junkertown because of her fame and popularity; the Scrapyard champion isn't automatically the ruler like we thought (from a Michael Chu comment on the forums)
prisma wren
is summer games out?
peak escarp
not until Thursday 11am PST
valid shell
I stopped thinking that chamption = royalty when they specified she's a FORMER champion.
peak escarp
it's still an actual common misconception that I see in the fandom
limpid agate
- Pharah's raptora suit has an internal AI (from the SDCC panel, may have been retconned/the idea might have been dropped)
They said that was the plan in early development
It doesn't have an AI anymore
valid shell
Feat not, Hammond adopted that factoid.
peak escarp
yeah, but it would have been something new for Pharah and we haven't gotten much for her in a while
limpid agate
Who knows what Gamescom has in store
lyric pulsar
hello
iron plume
it's a scientific base intended to monitor various aspects, mostly related to climate
and Mei is a climatologist
regal coyote
@limpid agate yes the Raptorian AI thing was dropped, and the idea reused in w-ball of hammond
so basically it is canon that w-ball have some AI.
Pharah suit does not have AI, unless otherwise said later on.
But the rip-tire thing is pretty coolr eally
thorn kestrel
Why was the moon station made?
regal coyote
research?
worthy rose
lunar colony [research] [gone wrong]
vagrant thistle
I think it was to test animal's reactions to living on the moon or something
iron plume
It was intended to test effects of long-term space habitation
and the animal testing wasn't the only thing the lunar colony did
regal coyote
also the colony or colony group is HUGE
according to overwatch mps we can see
the ones we know about is Harizon
peak escarp
So I guess the rest of the colonies just quarantined the apes off and acted like they lost contact and don't know what happened?
vagrant thistle
Technically we don't know if they all had apes.
They may have been for other types of research
iron plume
it's unlikely they did
the question is how do they continue operation after one of the parts of the complex got murder ape'd
peak escarp
It would be easy if not all parts of the complex were connected
Or if they could be locked off by big air-tight locks (like bulkheads on a ship)
iron plume
But aside from like the purely practical terms
would they not want to retake it? do they just "we don't go to ravenholm" it?
peak escarp
Would you want to go subdue half a dozen highly intelligent great apes?
iron plume
not if I'm a random scientist on another part of the complex
yes if i'm the corporation that has invested a lot of money into it
peak escarp
Lucheng probably decided it was a write-off and let them have it
iron plume
eeeeeeeh maybe
peak escarp
(I dunno, there's a lot of holes in this writing and it's easier to ignore it than it is to fill the holes)
Abandoning the colony when contact was lost works if that was the only colony up there (which seems to be the implication)
But if Horizon is only part of the colony and there are still other active sections up there, it doesn't make any sense
peak escarp
I think the Horizon we see is all that's up there, and the apparent size of the colony when viewed from Earth is exaggerated so it can be seen easier
iron plume
either way something is a stretch
peak escarp
The scale on the maps is always exaggerated to make gameplay easier or to make things "read" better
iron plume
the view on the moon isn't really a map thing though
peak escarp
We currently have no proof of anyone/anything else on the moon aside from the Horizon Lunar Colony
All we have is what we're told, and that is that Horizon was overthrown by apes and Lucheng lost contact with the entire colony
frosty shell
We have to keep in mind that these are apes with human-level intelligence
And the cost of sending things up into space is probably pretty high
So it may well have been that it wasn't worth it for Lucheng
My theory is that the huge circle on the moon is a particle accelerator or some kind of scientific facility
That's one of the good things about not getting new lore- you can make up headcanons to hand wave away the plotholes
HLC might be in the center of the big ring
dire timber
new hero when
limpid agate
November
silk badger
I heard new hero
white cobalt
limpid agate
She is who I am expecting, but I had to use a pronoun. In hindsight, could have used it
regal coyote
unlikely it, as it would mean lynx, a rather underperforming piece of toaster
JQ is one of the likely future hero yes
limpid agate
JQ is specifically for hero 29
After that, she goes back in new hero limbo
Like Max and Sanjay
Who had potential for the last 3 heroes, but none for 29
regal coyote
2 aussie related ero in a row. could be.
since hamie is not technically aussie but moonie
limpid agate
The fact that they had to say Hammond is NOT a Junker helps the Queen
nova elbow
when did the Horizon uprising happen? was it pre-Omnic Crisis?
limpid agate
No
Thats impossible
The Omnic Crisis was 30 years ago
Winston isn't even 30 years old
Hammond is only 14
The Horizon Uprising was 13-11 years ago
regal coyote
also mei communicated with human winston
just that fact alone makes it not 30 years ago
limpid agate
... What
WHere did you get that from
She never knew human Winston
She knew monkey Winston
dire timber
@limpid agate I mean, when you're talking about someone whose identity is unknown, it's best to use "they"
limpid agate
Ok
dire timber
@regal coyote Lynx wouldn't be bad as a hero
you don't need to be so pointlessly edgy about it
@limpid agate for some reason I can't help but feel like Hamid is next
like, I know we've got more material for the Queen
and that she's been teased for longer
but still
limpid agate
I want to learn more about Hamid
But, and this is a very vague speculation that I dont take too seriously
I think his best chance is hero 31
dire timber
not 30?
limpid agate
Based on how many heroes became playable exactly 1 year after their first debut
dire timber
ah
limpid agate
Ana - Debuted in Soldier Origins
Sombra - DEbuted in Dorado
Hammond - Debuted in Horizon Lunar Colony
Its only 3 and not a real pattern
But if Queen is 29, that makes it 4
And again
Its not real
But its something funny I picked up on
Also funny, Brig and Doomfist are 2 years after their debut in the same slot
Again, it aint areal theory I believe in
dire timber
well, maybe there is something to it
not intentionally, but rather, because of development time
limpid agate
Heroes take around 12-8 months to make
8 months and on they're more or less concrete on their choice.
So odds are, when picking a hero, they look at what people are asking for at the time of selection
This time last year, people wanted Hammond
November last year, people wanted the Queen
dire timber
I mean to be fair, they kinda already made these characters, in a way
limpid agate
Yeah
dire timber
even though they were just namedrops
limpid agate
Yeah
But probably had concrete designs for a while
Like, look at the Queen
The only difference between last year and now is she has a cape, and her hair is blue
Also whatever is blow the torso, we didnt know the first time
And then Doomfist
He was the Successor with a design since Numbani was a map
regal coyote
so did brig since ppl talk about her from rein comic
worthy rose
How come they dont make full films of overwatch? It doesnt have to be recall or anything but they could make movies dedicated to a couple of characters
Just like marvel and dc
Im sure they could make tonnes of money from it
sacred remnant
Widow T H I C C Is all the lore I need
severe oxide
oh hey, it's the second worst type of lore drop right here: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/i-wonder-how-torbjorn-sleeps-with-that-mechanical-arm-at-night/181779/13
the "no fucking shit, everyone knew that" type of lore drop
I guess third worst, the second is the "literally telling again something we already knew word for word"
first worst being retcons
dire timber
I remember that "things you don't know about Overwatch heroes" video
and
it was all things we already knew
😄
dire timber
I don't really mind retcons
peak escarp
Of course it was stuff we knew, we practically stalk the devs looking for lore
But to the average Overwatch player, most of that would be new information
I wouldn't really consider that comment as a "lore drop" - it's a common sense answer to a stupid question
dire timber
people are already trying to claim that it's something about a Torb rework
and going on about retcons
why are people so fucking stupid
peak escarp
Because OW lore is a joke apparently
dire timber
it's not, people are just stupid about it
acting like the fact that they know nothing, means that there's nothing
a projection of their own ignorance
peak escarp
Exactly
If they bothered to do even an ounce of research, they'd find plenty of lore
Yes we've had a bit of a drought lately, but that doesn't mean there's nothing at all
valid shell
People also argued that Brigitte's teasers were actually teases for Torbjorn's new weapons.
People here.
Who post frequently.
worthy rose
@peak escarp you know what's more joke than ow lore?
valid shell
You know who you are.
dire timber
@valid shell do you mean Hamster?
peak escarp
@worthy rose do tell
worthy rose
hots lore
peak escarp
But HotS is a crossover game
And last I checked, they're getting a comic series, so they do actually have lore coming out for that game
It has about as much lore as Smash Bros.
And that's actually quite a bit (for a crossover game)
I'm not about to defend one franchise by throwing another under the bus
dapper shuttle
Hi, it's me again. Got some screenshots for you to click on them if you wanna see something moderately cool
Sunglasses on Ilios Lighthouse https://imgur.com/FcjnSBt
They are Widowmaker's https://imgur.com/WmF2vL5
She's reading a greek newspaper about attacks during a carnival (100% Venice, 100% Rialto, more Rialto things coming "soon™") https://imgur.com/8wpohcb
peak escarp
Admiring her own handiwork?
dapper shuttle
Could be what she did in Masquerade
so she went to Ilios after the events of Masquerade
peak escarp
Greece isn't far from there
Nice place for a vacay
She could work on her . . . tan?
worthy rose
that color is actually the combined diffuse+actualskin texture merged with the diffuse being with 35% opacity and that mixture also having some temperature changes
it was a bit exhausting to research but in the end I solved the puzzle
peak escarp
interesting
worthy rose
the actualskin texture is just the skinparts in their "blue" color on a fully black background an it's an 1024x1024 texture while the diffuse contains the purple-colored one
and the diffuse is sized 2048x2048
peak escarp
neat
worthy rose
also I needed to change the exposure on the rendered image and it was the solution
valid shell
@worthy rose Don't shill your trash here pls.
peak escarp
regardless, this isn't the place for it
tidal anchor
How can I start following the lore? Where do I start? I have only watched a video explaining the "complete" lore of overwatch, but I assume there's much more?
peak escarp
check the pins on this channel
all the animated shorts, comics, origin trailers are there
below that are the in-universe articles that provide more background info
and if you have any more specific questions, this channel is always active with people who know the lore inside and out
peak escarp
they're listed in the order they were released in
as for timeline order . . . that's a more complicated question
tidal anchor
I'll watch them in the order of pinned messages, if I get confused I could just ask. :3
peak escarp
that's a good way to do it
valid shell
@tidal anchor Check out Hammeh's videos for quality lore compilation.
tidal anchor
Will do! Thank you.
For who watched it, can you tell me if TGN's "complete OW lore guide" comprehensive or not?
peak escarp
it's fairly comprehensive, up to when it was released
some details have been revealed since it was released - such as Reinhardt being a survivor of the Battle of Eichenwalde and Balderich being one of the people originally recruited for Overwatch (he passed his invitation on to Reinhardt when it was clear he wouldn't survive the battle)
also the TGN video says McCree was the leader of Deadlock - McCree was 17 when he got busted, and was not their leader.
tidal anchor
I see. And I watched some of the in-game dialogue interactions, some seem to reveal some more lore.
peak escarp
a few of them do
but be careful with in-game interactions - most of them are not canon, and just represent a sort of "what if" situation between heroes that may have never met
peak escarp
those interactions specifically are a point of contention around here
I think they represent a hint at a canon relationship between Genji and Mercy that has been hinted at in other places, but others think they aren't canon
tidal anchor
I find it cannon, just not... important.
May I ask what's your personal favourite dialogue?
peak escarp
I enjoyed the interactions from the Retribution event
particularly Genji telling McCree that he agreed to become a cyborg so he could walk again
😭
tidal anchor
I'll have to check those out, don't think I've heard them.
Hanzo and genji are still aren't on good terms, right?
peak escarp
their current relationship is complicated
Hanzo knows Genji is still alive, but Hanzo is still angry at himself for what he did
tidal anchor
I like that hanzo decided not to join Talon.
peak escarp
he hasn't apologized to Genji, even though Genji has forgiven him
tidal anchor
Specifically the interaction with doomfist.
I see.
If my brother beat the fuck out of me to the point I have to become a cyborg, I'd be mad.
peak escarp
Genji was mad
he had a lot of anger for a long time, and had pretty severe dysphoria about his half human, half robot body
he didn't find peace with himself until he left Overwatch and found Zenyatta
tidal anchor
He has forgiven him. I never would, probably.
dim root
I would like to know how mccree lost his arm. As there was a retrib line between mccree and genji that forshadowed that
tidal anchor
I've noticed most heroes have some kind of technology in their bodies.
I find that very interesting.
peak escarp
Hanzo seems to be on his own quest for self-acceptance right now
valid shell
@tidal anchor Genji, Doomfist, Junkrat, Torbjorn, McCree, Symmetra.
Also Sombra is augmented, and Ana was augmented.
And with Hammond's release and his forehead plate, and Winston's ever-present visor, it makes me wonder if they're also augmented.
tidal anchor
Ana was augmented?
tidal anchor
Learning something new everyday
Doomfist:Hanzo, you should consider joining us. I think we'd see eye to eye.
Hanzo: I would have little to gain from such an arrangement. No, I will find my own path.
By far my favourite interaction.
Other than the Genji-Hanzo roasts.
wary walrus
Hello
valid shell
@tidal anchor Widowmaker's also been scouting Hanzo since launch.
And we know Talon approached Sojiro Shimada, their dad.
So Talon REALLY wants the Shimada Clan in their pocket.
wary walrus
Dont blame talon for trying to pimp up the squad
tidal anchor
Talon would be much more powerful with the Shimada clan on their side.
peak escarp
yes
tidal anchor
Did genji kill his own family or something?
peak escarp
the bargain for Genji to get his cyborg body was for him to help dismantle the Shimada clan
what exactly that meant is unknown, but there was probably killing involved
wary walrus
Not dying is fun
tidal anchor
Man, I have a lot of catching up to do.
valid shell
Feel free to ask any questions!
wary walrus
Also there are giant engineered hamsters from the moon that pilot mech suits
tidal anchor
I should probably watch all the shorts at least, probably most of them will answer my questions.
wary walrus
The comics help as well
tidal anchor
Will give them a read too!
peak escarp
Watching the TGN lore video now
rose jetty
Oh nice!!
peak escarp
It gets most of it right, but there's some small details wrong
rose jetty
What details?
peak escarp
I'll make a list when I'm done watching
rose jetty
Okay thank you 😊
peak escarp
I won't mention stuff it got wrong due to not having the information yet
The video is almost a year old
But there's some things that we've known from the start that they got wrong
peak escarp
incorrect information in the lore video:
- McCree was not the leader of the Deadlock Gang (he was 17 when he was busted)
- D.Va was not a champion Starcaft player (her game of choice is unknown)
- There were not 28 specimens on the Horizon Lunar Colony - we do not know how many specimens there were
- also, not all specimens were gorillas - specimens included gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans and at least one hamster
- Hammond did not lead the rebellion on Horizon - the actual perpetrator is unknown (although specimen 9 Simon is a likely candidate)
- Mei was not the leader of the climatology project at Ecopoint: Antarctica - the leader was Captain Oppara
- Mei was in cryostasis for 9 years, not 10
- Mei has returned to Overwatch - she stated her intent to return in Rise and Shine, and in her journal, she mentions "my colleague Winston"
- Doomfist retrieved his gauntlet after returning to Talon, not before
- Bastion's location is not unknown - Bastion is currently under the care of Torbjorn
also a few Timeline issues - Pharah fighting Anubis, Lucio fighting Vishkar, Vishkar's work in Dorado, and Junkrat teaming up with Roadhog happens closer to Recall. The assassination of Mondatta happens after Recall. Bastion reawakening happened about 15 years ago.
I'm impressed that the video does not speculate about Mercy's involvement with Reaper's condition, even though it predates Moira's reveal so at that point it was still a mystery
most other lore summary videos go all-in on the "Mercy made Reaper" theory
limpid agate
- D.Va was not a champion Starcaft player (her game of choice is unknown)
Was that before or after the common misconception?
Because that was retcon
Blizzard official sources told us she was a Starcraft champ
Explicitly
peak escarp
Chu said it was a misconception within Blizzard as well (leading to some official sources saying she was a Starcraft champ), but I'll give you that one
the official sources were supposed to be an in-joke, not to be taken seriously
I don't see it as a retcon, just a correction of a misconception gone out of control
tidal anchor
Thank you for the list, I appreciate it.
limpid agate
I know Chu outdoes Zhang
What I meant to say was
We had an official source that was not a joke
It was quite literally the hero's debut
peak escarp
then it was a case of us being given incorrect information from the start
the most shocking part is how long it took to get corrected
as you can see @tidal anchor, there's a lot of things we debate about in the lore channel
tidal anchor
I can see that.
I actually enjoy debating things.
So, who knows? I might join in someday.
peak escarp
if you ever develop your own theories on the lore, we'd love to hear them
just make sure you can back them up with sources because we will try to tear it apart
valid shell
I'm usually the rude one.
flat marsh
What i f,
Widowmaker was actually blue.
peak escarp
she is
limpid agate
@flat marsh Shitposting will result in a loss of access
flat marsh
I'm sorry, I didn't notice.
I'll make sure not to do it again.
Seriously though,
I'm curious on how Tracer's cronal-
Cro-
Thingy works. I know it keeps her in the time set and everything, but what makes it do that?
limpid agate
Cronal Accelerator
What makes it do that is science
The devs like to write things in a way of "Firm Science"
Things that sound sciencey enough
But not too descriptive
peak escarp
chronal
tidal anchor
Do you think Blizzard will go to the "magic" route?
peak escarp
it works because the story needs it to
flat marsh
Hmm-
Never knew. I wonder what s c i e n c e is used to make the chips and stuff-
limpid agate
If they were gonna make Magic a thing, they would have done it with Moira and Reaper
peak escarp
they've already established that magic doesn't exist in Overwatch
tidal anchor
I don't remember where the quote originated from, but I like it.
"Magic is just unexplained science."
Or something along those lines
flat marsh
Just science and technology
limpid agate
Arthur C Clarke
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
flat marsh
But y'know,
How does it keep her there? Like, how does it go "Okay Lena, you can't phase out and crap, aight?"
limpid agate
The only unexplained thing is the dragons
And that is basically identical to Symmetra's orbs
And is very likely just hard light
flat marsh
But how does the light come to exsist with the dragons?
peak escarp
to put a sciencey sort of explanation on it, the chronal accelerator probably forces Lena's molecules into temporal sync with the current timeline (using some high tech rechargeable power source), rather than allow them to vibrate at a random temporal frequency
flat marsh
I see-
peak escarp
the dragons are probably hard-light emitters embedded in the skin, which take years of training to learn to control
flat marsh
Mmm..
Yeah, but wouldn't that would mean anyone could do that with years of practice?
rose escarp
i guess its a shimada bloodline trait or something
flat marsh
But they're h u m a n s
peak escarp
or maybe they own the patent on it and control it very tightly
flat marsh
That's what I was thinking
peak escarp
and that's part of why Talon wants to ally with the Shimada clan
and abuse of that technology is why Overwatch wanted to shut them down
flat marsh
Ooo, yeah.
flat marsh
Oh heccus yeah
rose escarp
what
peak escarp
watching Recall?
tidal anchor
Dragons gave me chills.
peak escarp
I love the music in Dragons
peak escarp
that cue when Hanzo throws Genji off, slides across the floor to the arrow and nocks it . . . . ooh
gets me every time
cedar moon
Watch it lmao
peak escarp
fun fact - the animation of Hanzo using Dragonstrike in Dragons was recycled for the HotS short where he fights Alexstraza
it's the exact same animation
cedar moon
I liked the music when genji deflected scatter
shut vessel
Yeah they’re all really well made
sacred remnant
Despacito
rose escarp
no
cedar moon
S t o p
shut vessel
It says shitposting will result in loss of action so I would watch it
worthy rose
Cool
valid shell
Could be rehashed, or could be 'it's identifiable and will make nerds squeal'.
worthy rose
Wasn't there something about the news board or whatever it's called in lijang night market being translated
peak escarp
yes
didn't turn out to be about hero 28, but it's about the CEO of Lucheng Interstellar being a former Horizon scientist
worthy rose
Wasn't there something about artifacts in illios being found
valid shell
Yup.
timid eagle
I’m considering freezing myself until GamesCon arrives. I’m hungry for lore that’s set in the current timeline.
fringe blade
I saw an overwatch meme video, and it had this idea that I thought was pretty cool. I think it would have made more sense if Hammy was a raccoon. They are smarter than hamsters, and are not much larger than hamsters either. What do you think?
terse oak
I'll report back when Gamescom shows the vid seeing as I'll be there 👀
@fringe blade Also this is essentially shitposting, let's be real
fringe blade
What do you mean?
brisk harbor
They probably didn't want it like Guardians of the Galaxy
fringe blade
Yea, that was probably one of the main reasons. A hanster just seems to be a weird choice of animal
oak valve
@fringe blade well a racoon in a ball dosent make as much sense as a hamster in one
tidal anchor
For gamescom(assuming we will get an animated short, like last year.) Do you guys something from the past? Or something that pushes the story further?
regal coyote
a racoon makes mroe sense than a super overgrown sized hamster
but my guess is that the scaled up hamster AND the racoon would be both taken into consideration at one point. And most likely the rocket racoon thing si oen of the reason they do hamster instead
Yes you can have a guinea pig in a giant ball too but generally guinea pigs are realtively frighty dumbfucks. (sauce; i have guinea pig pets, or had. last one dead 2 weeks ago... :( )
On hard light, there is NO SAUCE proving the dragons coming from the tattoo
for all it is the hard light thing might be just inside the weapon. and the whole trait thing of bloodline maybe some device decyphering the wielder's dna or brainwave.
So they dont have to store the tech in their meaty body
so even if genji had the tattoo and is damaged he can still sue it. I mean part of his DNA is there.
on the other note, we do not know if the current genji sword had component of his original dradon wielding weapon.
the young genji models shows no tattoo visible and a non-tech weapon.
so while the looks might be canon (sicne they are same as sprays and what not, still consistant) they might not be able to control dragons at that time.
worthy rose
I dont think the dragons will ever be explained
brisk harbor
With this rate of lore were getting ur probably right
iron plume
with any rate
worthy rose
Even if the lore was going quickly i still wouldnt think that theyd explain it
iron plume
none of the lore we have was focused on explaining the science
overwatch universe's technology is 100% handwavium
worthy rose
They even picked hardlight because they said they wouldnt have to explain it
In fact have they ever explained the science behind any of the characters?
cunning ledge
They showed how Mei built her first prototype gun I guess?
iron plume
I'd hesitate to call that explaining the science
cunning ledge
Still relies on “wow cool climate tech”
worthy rose
Yeah i i still dont know how the gun shoots ice
iron plume
because there's no way that thing is supposed to work
iron plume
it's not explaining the science
regal coyote
so fantasy science explanation is good enough
worthy rose
I know doomfist is just "top grade prosthetics"
regal coyote
like how fat GL explains the force
cunning ledge
The most realistic weapon is probably junkrat’s frag launcher
iron plume
we are talking about whether they explained the science
regal coyote
or all thsoe weird star trek tech
worthy rose
The chrono accelerator is what confuses me the most
Considering time is something invented by us
cunning ledge
What
cunning ledge
I’m not up for yet another chronal accelerator discussion while having to type on mobile
iron plume
but time itself is a fundamental physical concept
worthy rose
Time travel will never be possible, there are no time particles are anything like that
How would you even begin to build a chrono accelerator?
iron plume
no one argued about time travel?
you would study tracer's condition
then try to build something to stabilize her
then look at the tech and go "hm, wonder how else I could use that"
worthy rose
A condition that takes her out of reality?
iron plume
yes?
worthy rose
I know its the rules of the overwatch universe but cmon
iron plume
you'd use the technology implemented in the plane as a base
cunning ledge
It was teleportation tech first remember
worthy rose
Why would a cloaking device take you out reality?
iron plume
of course it's not realistic
because her condition wouldn't exist realistically
but within the universe it's researchable
it's caused by technology
you can study that technology
and you can carry out tests on herself
and it's not a cloaking device
worthy rose
Then what is it? A time travelling jet?
iron plume
getting somewhere instantly > getting somewhere fast
would also get you past any defenses
worthy rose
But why a jet? Why not a watch or something?
iron plume
eyeroll
frosty shell
A teleporter would have to store the state of the atoms within it and transport it elsewhere
So perhaps it worked by taking something out of being and then transporting it to somewhere else?
Which would explain how Tracer got mixed up in things
frosty shell
Something I just noticed
Doomfist must've been in communication with somebody from Talon before he broke free
He seems to know that Morrison and Amari didn't "die" when they were supposed to have
iron plume
would certainly fit the trope
limpid agate
Not necessarily Jack and Ana
The thing he does know
Is Reaper
Reaper being Ex Overwatch
THey seem to know each other
@bright dock We dont allow that here
thorn kestrel
WHOMST THE FUCK IS PHARA DADDY
limpid agate
@thorn kestrel Phrase your questions in a way that is not a shitpost
thorn kestrel
Who is phara dad?
limpid agate
Sam
thorn kestrel
Better @limpid agate
limpid agate
He is a Native Canadian civil servant.
limpid agate
Hints in comics, in game, and Michael Chu
thorn kestrel
Noice
peak escarp
I don't see why not
The only hero who can't seem to die is Reaper
Tracer has to consciously activate her recall ability - if she takes severe damage and/or knocked unconscious she can't recall
peak escarp
No, she'd just lose her anchor to the timeline
Like in the Doomfist fight
If it gets destroyed, it doesn't kill her, she just has to be found again
regal coyote
Just realized though, how authentic is THIS as one of Moira's outfit.
Afterall it is made by Blizzard, so to speak. And as such it is at least an advertising tool?
This being not a skin means there is mroe details, since gameplay does not have to be considered. On the other hand this is in the physical world so some stuff needs to be modified to mke things functional for the wearer.
sacred hamlet
Less words please.
iron plume
you're in the wrong channel for that
olive karma
Are there any new formed countries after the omnic war in OW?
drowsy epoch
Can mercy really bring people back from the dead
brisk harbor
No
drowsy epoch
Ok so it’s just for her gameplay purposes
cunning ledge
Hanzo pulled the ol’ leave him to die with mortal injuries without actually killing him
Probably because he didn’t want to kill him
drowsy epoch
He then became edgy Genji
peak escarp
Overwatch had been watching the Shimada clan as a potential threat
it's likely they had people within the organization who could have stepped in
frosty shell
Kurjikstan exists in this world but we don't know when that was founded
@olive karma
shut vessel
Did moira work on reyes or was it mercy
tidal anchor
Aren't there some theories that mercy made reaper?
If they exist, I'm not sure if theres evidence to back it up.
lean silo
There used to be lines hinting at it in the beta I think? And there's still the "What happened to you?"/"You tell me, doc." interaction
But anything towards that has been retconned and it's official that Moira is the one behind Reyes's transformation
It's hinted that Moira did use some of Mercy's work to make it happen, though
peak escarp
it was mostly stuff taken out of context and fans looking for a solution
the "What happened to you?"/"You tell me, doc." interaction sounds more like Reaper asking Mercy to explain his condition
not him accusing her of being responsible
hoary comet
Could you technically fuse Genji machine parts with Orissa parts?
limpid agate
The Zen skin is
Obviously
Not canon
But there are a few interesting things about it
Specifically, the symbol on his hat for team Iris
Is that new?
peak escarp
I feel like I may have seen it on Nepal somewhere
peak escarp
it's part of this logo
valid shell
Well, good find that's at the entrance of the Iris-related map.
In bright yellow.
Regardless, good find.
shut vessel
Well iris is part of the eye
peak escarp
exactly
shut vessel
Oh cool
violet cosmos
Glad I have a cool fun fact about that skin now
shut vessel
Where do you think this skin ranks compared to the others
shut vessel
Yeah I would say the same
shut vessel
Not a zen main but it’s cool
I think cultist may be the best
But we have to see if the new skin has any unique things
shut vessel
Oh
I hope they give genji a batter skin to go with it but that’s probably really unlikely
Because that’s like three baseball skins for the event
violet cosmos
He needs to have a skin where he's an anime princess
limpid agate
A lot more sports skins than last year
This is probably the biggest for those so far
But only 3 Meteor branded skins
limpid agate
Meteor is a company
They make sportswear
In game, a lot of summer skins have the Meteor brand on them
violet cosmos
Oh ok
regal coyote
so some day we might have a sports star from meteor as a hero, or at least a named character
tiny crow
Why not the queen of junker town. And did you know they wanted a junker omnic with magnetic capabilities but junkers hate omnics so give those powers to the queen and make her a tank, we could get more than just supports.
iron plume
they wanted a junker omnic with magnetic capabilities
have a source on that?
regal coyote
caus the junkers are smart enough to not let any omnic pieces of shit into their area, and pretty sure there would be NO omnic with magnetic ability near that area alive.
so basically there is NO WAY you get a junker omnic
they talked about a "HERO WITH MAGNETIC ABILITY" and that the tether of WBall is from that idea
dire timber
@regal coyote why the fuck do you have actual negative feelings towards omnics that you feel the need to express constantly
like
why do you actually care
jesus christ
peak escarp
his aggressive hatred of omnics is really disturbing
iron plume
hamster vs punikki let's go
regal coyote
well, if the current, though insufficient, lore is to be believable the omnics started the whole war with no reason at all one day without provokations.
and it seems the same thing happened in russia after the omnium there was deactivated.
IF these are actuall true info and not propaganda then tey would be at best ane xtremely unstable species, to say the least.
the thing is, until we have some info on how everything started, the omnic seem to be a bit not trustworthy
I am not saying ALL omnics are bad, but in general they are still a threat
fleet agate
Dude, Overwatch is a game
regal coyote
then again we have little info, like how we get so many omnic even though the omnium are supposed to be deactivated?
are they retrofitted military bots?
and as far as the junkertown thing is concerned, theya re a threat
iron plume
the civilian omnics didn't suddenly rise and start killing people
regal coyote
why are there civilian omnics in the first place if the omnium are activated for war only and are deactivated after war?
also, do the omnics willingly go to war? or do omniums all ahve the ability to pull an anubis and all omnics have to answer to?
iron plume
because there are other factories that made robots, and they could be retrofitted?
the omniums don't take over anyone
the hostile omnics are the ones who are made in the war omniums after reactivation
regal coyote
and as far as junkertown goes they are a problem to start with. While it is partly being the aussie government being spineless and willingly give HUMAN lands to omnics causing a bunch of people to lose their property and homs.
wait wait, so all/most omnics we see today are those that exist BEFORE the omnic war then?
peak escarp
just like in the real world, where the Australian government gave aboriginal land to European settlers?
Zenyatta is 20, the omnic crisis ended ~25 years ago
regal coyote
yes, spineless and unfair to the native aboriginal people
peak escarp
he was built after the crisis
it's reasonable to believe others were built after the crisis, with the intent of being civilians
regal coyote
wait wait, they say the omniums are deactivated after the crisis, so how are omnics built after that?
or does it mean omnium is NOT needed for omnic production?
(we ignore special omnium that are still at war here like russia and korean sea)
peak escarp
they probably allowed some to be reactivated as part of the peace accord, to allow omnics to control their own reproduction?
regal coyote
so the peaceful area omnium are in limited functional status then, to produce parts and things for civilian level omnics
peak escarp
we don't know enough about the omnic crisis
peak escarp
things rarely ever happen unprovoked
maybe that's just the story told to the public (and us) to keep opinions anti-omnic
I mean, if omnics were being produced for manufacturing and other menial jobs, and one day they developed sapience, they'd probably realize they were being exploited and revolt (see Detroit: Become Human for a somewhat ham-fisted representation of this)
regal coyote
I would say the detroit case is much more in-depth though
then again we have little info on the omnic's case and anything is our speculation at best
peak escarp
True
I feel like the omnic crisis is something they're saving for a big release
They almost did, once
nova elbow
why do the actions of a few represent a whole species? is every human ever awful and unstable because [insert clichéd bad person here] was a human?
lean silo
I mean, I don't want to go too in-depth, but people already follow that logic with white people
"White people in the past were shitty, so all white people today are shitty"
Think about it from a biological standpoint, if a group sharing a trait were to pose a threat, then seeing that same trait in another group would likely provoke a response as well
It's why birds don't like other things flying overhead
nova elbow
sure, but that doesn't make it right to think that way
regal coyote
also sadly sometimes it is better to be mean than be dead
also, in the case of the omnic at first the majority of the omnic would be human killing machines it seems, I mean the first ones after reactivations are all geared for wars against humanity.
also remember most of the older generations in the world is still remembering the war, so people still have that fresh in mind
nova elbow
so Zenyatta, the robot monk who studied with a peaceful, world-renowed spiritual leader, comes up to you and you're gonna be afraid of him?
regal coyote
well, if you wake up and suddenly obama sits next to you would you be afraid?
or mybe at least say Elon Musk.
I mean obviously there are special cases, but for the people in the world for many areas it is still "better safe than sorry" when it coems to omnics
nova elbow
Obama I would probably be more amused
Elon Musk is creepy and I would be afraid
in any case, I didn't say that Zenyatta suddenly appeared out of nowhere, I mean like, you bump into him on the street
regal coyote
Sure in places like numbani youa re fine, and in england the humans seem to be the bad ones even.
but in russia surely it is at war
and even kroea...
and junkertown for sure.
it does depending on where you are, who you are from, and what you know about omnics/zen
and zen is probably way less famous than mondetta to the general public
so you are just seeing a floating guy omnic going towards you no more no less.
oh he floats balls around
nova elbow
so... what makes you hate omnics?
regal coyote
well, it is an intelligent species that has shown to be a massive threat to humanity only a few decades earlier, with elements of ti still at war with humanity, and more increasingly so
in a way you can see end of omnic crisis I as end of world war one... it is mroe like a pause or ciecefire than end of war, and the worse is yet to come.
and if species confilcts obviously i would stand onthe side of humanity.
coexist is good, but only if humanity is ensured to be able to continue
nova elbow
but there is coexistence
regal coyote
not sure in this case
things can blow up at any time
the overwatch timeline is much more volatile than it seem
mroe like the quiet and peace after first world war as I say, maybe without the great recession
but yeah, you can see the fuse burning, esp in the russian front, and it is spreading.
nova elbow
there was fault on both sides for the world wars, though
regal coyote
yes, especially the aftermath of world war one
which is extremely similar to the terms the omnics are having as the losing side, it seems. though we dont ahve enough info on this.
I am not saying a robot hitlerr on the rice, but you know something abd is going to happen
also there is another concern
in reality omnic is superior relative to humans, the smart models at least.
in this case by natural selection it is a matter of time humans should be replaced.
now as humans, obviously it is better cheat and whatever it takes than being phased out.
nova elbow
is it?
limpid agate
lofty meadow
dire timber
@limpid agate what other flags are in?
limpid agate
Not sure
Checking now
@lofty meadow Shitposting will result in a loss of access
Netherlands
Italy
Spain
Romania
Portugal
New Zealand
Jordan
Israel
Ireland
Finland
Denmark
Beligum
Austria
Argentina
Also a Meteor spray
dire timber
still no Iraq? despite Oasis?
limpid agate
Countries with in game representation still missing flags are:
India
Nigeria
Iraq
Thailand
dire timber
and on the other hand
Netherlands, Romania, Israel and Argentina?
these feel a bit out of left field
iron plume
pretty sure they've been in OWWC
limpid agate
Italy, Jordan, and Irealand I expected
The large dump of the rest though
Is surprise
dire timber
that's... disappointing
worthy rose
ok just making sure
regal coyote
flags as icons are something we can have a bit more of, though I understand adding only a small amount each event.
I men it takes minimal effort to make for most of them, and you get lots of people happy
so it is a win-win-win for the msot part
valid shell
O SHIT we've got a Canada flag now!
limpid agate
Busan looks...
Kinda ordinary
They have the hypertrains there too
The only other thing of note is how big of a celebrity DVa is
Epic Skin when?
nova elbow
maybe they don't want to add too many flags at once so that they're easier to get? idk why they can't just let you buy avatars
iron plume
they didn't add any in year 2
also what you said and also they should be in normal boxes
but that's not a lore topic
frosty shell
Something language-related I wonder about
In universe are some of the characters also known by their translated names
Like is Widowmaker also called Fatale in French
valid shell
@frosty shell In the French version, it seems like she is, yes.
And Roadhog is 'Turbo-Hog' in Russian.
And he's 'Chopper' in French.
frosty shell
But in-lore is she also called Fatale
peak escarp
It's hard to say
frosty shell
Maybe the French police called Roadhog and Junkrat Chopper and Chakal
Not a bad idea
peak escarp
We haven't gotten any in-universe articles that aren't in English
frosty shell
Well, we did see "Overwatch attaca"
frosty shell
We also got Quien es Sombra
But apart from that no heroes that I know of
Fatale is the only name I can think of which is different in the native language
"Widowmaker" has more meaning
And it was supposed to have been given out by Talon
dapper shuttle
album with the few interesting things i gathered from the busan gamefiles
which is really not much
but you'll get a good res on the dva billboard, in case you wanted one
rose escarp
oh I just why shes called widowmaker oops
peak escarp
lol
so many people were complaining that "Wrecking Ball" was too literal of a name and he should just be called Hammond in the game
I'm surprised nobody brought up Widowmaker's name being too literal
modern anchor
I'd sell my soul for proper zenyatta lore
peak escarp
I think we all would
limpid agate
Skin when
peak escarp
screw the skin, give us a D.Va stream
complete with OW-universe ads
a first-person pov stream from her meka as she fights the colossal omnic, and suddenly a gorilla, a girl that moves crazy fast and two knights show up to fight it too
rough oxide
Weird
The korean says “Nano Cola”
English just says “Nano”
Also pls no more dva skins
Ty
limpid agate
DVa is pretty average when it comes to skins
Hanzo and Winston are the only launch characters with less
Everyone else has the same or more
And her only extra epic skin is the very first
rough oxide
She’s just overly popular
I wish Winston had cooler skins
His best one is yeti imo and that was from ages ago
Catcher looks good tho
quasi mango
I know is wouldn't work game play wise but we need a baby Winston skin
peak escarp
you're right, that wouldn't work
rough oxide
We could have parent winston
With a baby winston on his back
Like real gorillas
normally the mother carries the child but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
lean silo
No. Winston was raised by a scientist.
So make a Harold Winston skin for Winston with a baby Winston on his back.
quasi mango
Or better yet we could have an origins type skin for Roadhog and he could have his mask off, or an origin Junkrat were he looks normal and not like he just blew someone up
peak escarp
heroes that don't have an "origin"/flashback/younger skin: D.Va, Junkrat, Lucio, Roadhog, Zenyatta
I'm being a bit generous, including things like Ecopoint for Mei and Lunar for Wrecking Ball
dapper shuttle
Would be fun to see pre-radiation hog and junk. I doubt hog has always been that fat.
And zen, well he would look just as old as he does right now, only his clotheswould change
peak escarp
pretty much
dapper shuttle
and zen, would probably walk
dapper shuttle
since he seemed to have picked up levitation after meeeting the shambali
peak escarp
I'd love to see D.Va get a military uniform skin with a prototype meka
and Lucio pre-rebellion
woven sundial
That'd be dope but she already has quite a few legendaries
And since she just got one it's doubtful she'll get another soon
peak escarp
getting a legendary doesn't rule you out for getting one again
McCree got Lifeguard in Summer Games 2017 and then Van Helsing at Halloween
it would be most appropriate for the Archives event though
woven sundial
How far in the past is archives exactly?
dapper shuttle
Hammond got his "past" skin in the form of the lunar duo skins
woven sundial
I mean relative to where the current lore is
peak escarp
it varies depending on the event
peak escarp
Retribution happened 8 years ago, Uprising happened 7 years ago
this is counting from Recall as "present day"
woven sundial
Has dva had her mech for 7 or 8 years?
peak escarp
. . . I'm pretty sure that's racist, Acid
woven sundial
^
dapper kernel
Who said anything about race
peak escarp
but considering she's only 19, it can't be too long
short scaffold
!warn @dapper kernel Keep the racist jokes out of this server. It's absolutely not appropriate
twilit nacelleBOT
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dapper kernel
Toxic
peak escarp
I hope the Korean army wouldn't be recruiting underage pilots for their project
short scaffold
I didn't ask for your opinion. I told you what to do @dapper kernel
dapper kernel
Neat
peak escarp
she probably got recruited recently, when she turned 19
dapper kernel
An opinion doesnt have to be asked for tho, I present my opinion where I please
Thx
short scaffold
@dapper kernel if you have an issue with the rules then take it to modmail. I won't tell you again
dapper kernel
Cool
woven sundial
It'd be interesting to get an exact age. I wonder if the Korean military picked her up as part of the program right at 18
Maybe they had her in mind before then?
peak escarp
according to a quick wikipedia search, modern day South Korea has conscription for compulsory military service at age 18 (mandatory for males, optional for females)
so maybe they could have recruited her at 18, and she was patriotic enough to enlist
woven sundial
It seems kinda weird that this professional gamer would drop her career for that though
And what part of RTS games transfers to piloting a mech that doesn't have to reload?
Seems like there are better people for the job
more qualified I should say
rough oxide
It’s military service is a mandatory 2 year minimum between 18 and 35
peak escarp
the game she was famous for (not Starcraft) was probably very similar to meka piloting
woven sundial
I didn't know that about South Korea
So you can choose when you join? One person can enlist at 18 and another can enlist right before turning 36? And what happens if you don't enlist?
rough oxide
This isn’t lore related so I’ll keep it short
Basically after you become 18, makes are required to enlist in the korean military for a minimum of 2 years service. This must be completed before you turn 35. So you voluntarily enlist any time between the ages of 18-35. If you don’t complete this service it’s a crime and you will face legal repurcussions
There are specific exemptions for athletes (and other special roles I believe)
peak escarp
interesting
but the military wouldn't recruit/accept enlistment from anyone under 18?
so D.Va can't have been a meka pilot for more than a year
peak escarp
I feel like a lot of the hero stories are things that happened relatively recently in the OW timeline
D.Va being recruited by MEKA, Lucio's rebellion against Vishkar, Zarya ditching the competition to fight the omnics
there's some obscure hints that make me think Lucio's rebellion actually happens after Recall
I'd kill for anything that helps clarify the timeline
also, we were talking about official non-English lore
I forgot about the emails from the Sombra ARG
but again, those don't mention any hero names
rough oxide
I don’t know much about the lore tbh
But I know enough to know Michael Chu is ass
I heard they recruited a new writer though, I’m keeping an optimistic outlook
peak escarp
Michael Chu does not deserve most of the hatred he gets
the lore he writes has been mostly consistent
people blame him for things he wasn't responsible for
shitting on Chu has basically become a meme
rough oxide
i mean if you're the face of lore in a game that has as little of it as OW does while being a game that BEGS for well written lore and depth then you are responsible
the game has been out for like 2 years now and there's so little established, readily available lore
you have to watch cinematics, cutscenes, listen to voice lines, read obscure comics and snippets from the universe
lore shouldn't be hard to come by
if you have a game with the potential that OW does and you don't provide at least some semblance of structured lore that is easily accessible you are doing the game an injustice
limpid agate
To play the other side
Lore not existing makes sense
When was the last time you paid for lore?
How much did you spend on the 16 comics?
Or what about the 9 cinematic shorts?
The Plan? The Doomfist Anime?
dapper shuttle
The way I see it, those were ads to have non players buy the game, and players buy merch
limpid agate
The videos dont even get Youtube ad revenue because they dont have ads
dapper shuttle
also everytime they release a comic or a short, they have hundreds of websites and blogs and all that jazz talking about and praising the game
it's an ad campaign, in the form of quality art
if it's free, you're the product
limpid agate
And when was the last time you spent money because of a trailer or comic?
Even if it can be chalked up to ad revenue
Releasing shorts outside Gamescom/Blizzcon is sure to be a loss
limpid agate
Blame whoever killed First Strike
peak escarp
he just writes it, and someone else (someone corporate) decides what gets put out