Robot Hammond is the first concept of Hammond
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
novel quarry
okay cool
Character development in ow is always super cool
severe oxide
I'll take what they just said on stream as canon lore from now on
limpid agate
What?
severe oxide
"They did genetic experiments on hammond by giving him Torbjorn's genes, that's why he's a mechanical genius and has his same eyebrows"
novel quarry
lol
severe oxide
"I knew Torbjorn had a big family, but that's surprising"
severe oxide
I mean it has to be, otherwise IDK how it would roll on its own
(or how he wouldn't be killed by the centrifugal force)
severe oxide
he said, in comparison to other heroes, who fight for justice or power
novel quarry
I think reaper fights to kill
spark nova
Hi
severe oxide
probably more than just that
iron plume
Reaper is driven by revenge
spark nova
Helo
novel quarry
lmao
" DIE "
^my favorite reaper voice line
limpid agate
Hammond's cosmetics will go live on PTR after the stream
severe oxide
yep
I like how everyone on the overwatch team is adamant about calling him Wrecking Ball
no one is ever gonna call him Wrecking Ball
limpid agate
They call the hero Wrecking Ball
novel quarry
LOL RIGHT
limpid agate
But the artists, or at least Ben
Is very particular about being specific
Hammond is Hammond
severe oxide
yeah, but everyone just says hammond for the hero as well
novel quarry
3 syllables
and everyone speculated him as hammond first
limpid agate
The mech is Wrecking Ball
novel quarry
OOHH
I hope "GET REKT" is a saying that comes back
maybe they'll make that a voice line for him
I said that so much back in the tf2 days
novel quarry
I bet roadhog doesn't give a fuck about him
severe oxide
He got the inspiration for making his Rip Tire from Wrecking Ball
severe oxide
yep
I'm relaying stuff they're saying on stream
I wonder how much they're making up on the fly and how much they had discussed previously, but it's gospel either way
novel quarry
Jeff: I actually came up with the idea for Hammond when I accidentally stepped on my pet hamster. My hamster was injured, and I figured that wouldn't have happened if my hamster had a large mech. Then it hit me~
limpid agate
He says "Get Wrecked"
limpid agate
š¤·
I like the concept art
Blue Overwatch predates Rise and Shine
Wait... No, my bad
Rise and Shine changed it from Blue to Green
modest cove
severe oxide
"we're running out of eyebrow shapes"
white cobalt
using torb's eyebrows
white cobalt
So this "explains" Hammond living so long: https://i.imgur.com/dVHyQXT.png
genetics enhancements
cunning ledge
We already knew he was enhanced so surely that was the obvious assumption?
white cobalt
Yeah, but we had the "how Hammond can live so much?"
and "He is so big for a hamster"
white cobalt
Relevant how? what do you mean?
limpid agate
@white cobalt We already knew
It was in his bio
@crimson ether Dva is fighting a war against a kaiju omnic
Symmetra works with Vishkar, a company that builds cities out of light And makes dictatorships
crimson ether
What about sym and lucio
formal adder
can hanzo be deleted thanks plz
crimson ether
Isnāt vishkar evil?
limpid agate
Except Vishkar has a member of Talon in its higher up
crimson ether
Iām so bamboozled
formal adder
arent we all
dire timber
@crimson ether Vishkar is all about order
the thing is, they achieve it through some quite shady means
crimson ether
Isnāt bastion in Germany or something
limpid agate
Read the comics
Bastion is with Torbjorn
Oh hey he looks like the Queen
Queen in a spray
brazen flare
when will he be out fully
ebon laurel
Oh shit that's cool
limpid agate
Countries with no map icons still:
India
Iraq
Nigeria
Ireland*
Italy*
Jordan*
The last 3 are new countries this year
But they havent added any flags last year.
Ill be surprised if we dont at least get the two EU icons
urban folio
Queen looks like zarya with blue hair and not ripped
iron plume
So, not very much like Zarya at all
terse oak
@copper oak English only and not in this channel please
potent vault
dont forget israel. we still dont have a country flag, which means everyone from israel is forced to use the Dreidel to show their pride.
iron plume
Israel doesn't have a hero or a map
we're talking about countries that do
The original summer games flag dump was for countries that had one before summer games
But then the 2017 ones didn't add any that were given one since
potent vault
oh ok
iron plume
actually India is weird, since symm was there from the start
limpid agate
This year we got Moira, Rialto, and Petra
So if they add Ireland/Italy
They might add some of the others
iron plume
Iraq and Nigeria should've been for year two and the new three for now
they might've kind of abandoned the idea
ebon laurel
If I'm not mistaken they probably don't have a welsh flag either
But who wants a welsh hero, that'd be weird
woven nymph
Where can I read the comics?
cunning ledge
anyone heard any skin specific voice lines for hammond?
i've tried both legendaries with no results
harsh bison
They may still be working on skin specific voice lines and character interactions
novel quarry
Its difficult to get the hamster to talk directly into the mic for voice recording
limpid agate
Hammond doesnt speak
He has a human VA
But he doesn't speak.
There shouldnt be skin specific lines
Especially since the two skins are just lore skins
Its not like he's making disco or soccer jokes, Wreck lines work on all three just fine.
novel quarry
based on the voice lines though, its difficult to tell if wrecking ball is
a. translating for hammond
b. speaking on hammonds behalf
or c. speaking independently of hammond
because its implies that it does all three, but gets confusing if all of those are true
it begs certain questions
limpid agate
Its mostly A and B
If he is just saying something that sounds like first person dialogue
Its probably translation
If he says "He says"
Its speaking on his behalf
And some likes like the errors or "What he said" are C, but those are few and far between
cunning ledge
I see four types of hammond lines myself
Unintelligible hamster squeaks, hamster squeaks that are translated and said through the mech, hamster squeaks that the mech explains the meaning of, and the mech saying things to Hammond directly.
worthy rose
I think there's a chance that hammond overheard / saw one of the deviant gorillas planning their uprising and hid into the vents to be invisible to the gorillas
granite flume
Probably not lore-related, but what's with Doomfist's bubble level spray? Name is "They said..."
I don't understand what it has to do with him
iron plume
Punch kid says āthey said he could level a buildingā in the museum short
level pun/reference to that
granite flume
Ah
That makes sense
Thank you!
(Though I think he said skyscraper, but I get what you mean š)
cunning ledge
(it was skyscraper yes)
valid shell
@versed birch k
terse oak
@versed birch This is the lore channel friendo
versed flame
do you think reaper is acting as a double agent to get rid of talon from within?
harsh bison
@versed flame I'm interested to hear the information to back this up.
worldly atlas
^
versed flame
yeah that would be cool
worthy rose
I heard hammond is voiced by the one and only dee bradley baker
wary sonnet
Anyone got any good hero concepts
timid eagle
Well, I always thought the game lacked a hero from Taiwan and the Philippine Isles.
cerulean mortar
limpid agate
Reminder this is the lore channel.
narrow sparrow
The Queen needs to be a new hero, QUEEN OR RIOT
worthy rose
Queen 29
narrow sparrow
OI
valid shell
@narrow sparrow Possibly.
We'll see.
I personally doubt it. We're getting too many unfocused crowd shots of her with inconsistent designs.
I'm betting NPC.
iron plume
Brig wasnāt a crowd shot
valid shell
Except her design's been getting less detailed.
iron plume
her last pre-hero appearance had her as a big secondary character
Queen had one shot in hammond origins
regal coyote
colors, image on the teaser as a poster, in sprays of hammond
seems to get more exposure
feels like blizz is low key hyping her up
but like doomfist, it is most likely not the next one, maybe one after the next
valid shell
She hasn't been hyped up or had any more appearances than Sanjay or Max or Mirembe, but for some reason she's 29 confirmed?
cunning ledge
for a second i thought you meant age and i got very excited
regal coyote
i am thinking of hero 30 not 29 for her
but really sanjay have reasonable hype but his design does nto seem to catch the fan's eyes so far, max is in a good spot and people like him, so did Queen where people adore.
mirembe seem to be less well known. kinda sad but yeah. =.=
dire timber
reminder that we got a hamster before we got a black woman
peak escarp
Diversity isn't a series of boxes to be checked off
We also got a hamster before a Japanese woman, an Indian man or a full-blooded native american/first nations person
regal coyote
^ this
plucky meteor
peak escarp
Yes
spare fog
we actually need more white man
peak escarp
We do need more
regal coyote
oh for fuk sake, we are not saying we are againstt having a black woman in game, in fact we want that.
spare fog
and soldier
peak escarp
McCree, Soldier, Torbjorn and Reinhardt are all white men
regal coyote
it is just that we should nto set piority on who is having mroe rights to show up first.
the game have many things still not represented\
lyric turtle
whatever
regal coyote
like, there is no islander yet, and few asians (that are not east asian)
also vast majority of south american area is unmentioned let along having a hero
peak escarp
Having a playable black female hero is important, but not any more important than any other race/gender combo
spare fog
@regal coyote true i forgot
regal coyote
sombra is mexican, and the only one of latin america.
peak escarp
Sombra is Mexican not South American
lyric turtle
lucio????
regal coyote
lucio is only one person for a whole continent
regal coyote
and lucio have almost no lore, other than he is a really cool dj that steal/take stuff from vishka
plucky meteor
Tbh we should implement a hero for each country
cunning ledge
in a perfect world yes
peak escarp
That would be a lot of heroes
spare fog
@plucky meteor i agree
regal coyote
there are LOTS of things that is not touched, and i dont think we should put one aspact mroe important than the others, for the msot part
lyric turtle
video games are a perfect world
cunning ledge
what
so what you're saying is that because it's a video game it must be easy to add a character for each country
regal coyote
and we cant just throw characters just to be the tolkien fill of each pigeon hole, it would be worse than not having any
cunning ledge
is that seriously what you are saying
regal coyote
so yeah, i prefer it to be slow but meaningful.
also, while not playable, efi is a black female (idk but i would say she is a black femle unless otherwise said)
cunning ledge
also adawe
regal coyote
and orisa is basically her playable avatar
cunning ledge
but she barely exists
peak escarp
If you're looking at the lore, we also have Mirembe and Gabrielle Adawe as black women
regal coyote
^
peak escarp
And a few unnamed designs
regal coyote
it is ok dear, the bitching wont stop no matter what diverse archtype you are willing to fill
we can have a black trans woman omnic-kin vegan who vapes and does crossfit but people would still think it is "just another common character"
peak escarp
That would be a nightmare
pure kernel
Excuse my ignorance, but isnāt Brazil part of Latin America?
dire timber
@peak escarp I do think a black female hero would be a decent addition though
and we do need more of such characters
peak escarp
I agree
dire timber
Hammond is 28, right?
limpid agate
Yes
dire timber
I hope we get Faisal for 29 and a black female character for 30.
limpid agate
29 is Blizzcon
peak escarp
(I'm secretly proud that nobody suggested Pharah, Ana or Symmetra as black female heroes we already have)
limpid agate
Most likely Junkerqueen in my eyes
dire timber
@peak escarp I mean, they're brown, not black
peak escarp
Exactly
But I see them brought up on the forums all the time as a response to that complaint
dire timber
oof
limpid agate
I don't care either way
But don't blame shit on sjw
People wanting to play a black chick doesn't make them an sjw
peak escarp
It's just a matter or trying to represent a broad spectrum of people, rather than one/a few cultures/races that not everyone can identify with
scenic flare
Efi Oladele made Orisa 
peak escarp
It's the same reason why it's a big deal that the OW roster is more-or-less balanced gender-wise
No other triple-A game even comes close
iron plume
That depends on how strict you are with genres in that statement
covert oyster
I mean, I guess I can see why this discussion came up, Overwatch is already pretty good with diversity, but adding that would've sealed the diversity. In any case, I was surprised Doomfist didn't start a shitstorm.
iron plume
because Mass Effect most definitely comes close
peak escarp
Just look at the Smash Bros games - Smash for Wii U had a roster that was 20% female and the internet had a fit
iron plume
āsealedā
whut
peak escarp
I meant to say no other game with a roster of 25+ characters
covert oyster
By sealed, I mean no-one would have room to complain.
covert oyster
Aye.
scenic flare
tekken is diverse
lyric turtle
dire timber
@heavy pond Representation matters.
It serves to humanize repressed groups is popular consciousness, to assert that they have a place within the society, rather than forcing them to stay on the sidelines.
weary copper
maybe the junker queen will be black
dire timber
I'm counting on some aboriginal heritage
But that doesn't quite cut it, honestly
What I envisioned is a black woman from Haiti
It would add to the diversity of the cast, and explore a new region, flesh out the Caribbean
As opposed to, you know, Africa again - that would start getting a bit repetitive.
@limpid agate These days "SJW" is just a slur for anything remotely egalitarian/inclusive/progressive
It's a word that went wrong.
covert oyster
Mhmm.
dire timber
What I'm saying is that you're missing the point completely
And that I somewhat expected you to
Overwatch prided itself on its diversity, and I think that it should own up to it with at least one black female character
That's all I'm saying š¤·š»
They, uh, actually did.
Well, you're not wrong about the gameplay at least
But that's not mutually exclusive
Nobody's saying you can't do both
They had started out with a diverse cast right off the bat
Preeetty sure it was part of the design philosophy all along
All kinds of Asians, Europeans, Australians, Americans, several people of color...
Symmetra, Pharah, Lucio
I'm not sure what your point is, anyway.
It's not like Overwatch priding itself on diversity was in an incorrect statement in any way.
iron plume
I feel like thatās an easy thing to say when yours always is
dire timber
And I'm saying that diversity and representation matter, whether or not you're allergic to the idea.
iron plume
Itās not a strict requirement
But it is a good thing
And itās one that Blizzard clearly embraced from the start of OW
cunning ledge
Relatable experience though tbh
Maybe someone in #general-discussion would want to
Just saying
cunning ledge
As have been said
But no heroes obviously
When people judge the game for representation I doubt theyāll bother to check external lore
Maybe, just maybe, theyāll find out about efi
But all most people care about is that you canāt play as a black woman
scenic flare
most people really don't 
dire timber
@scenic flare It's what's most important to those concerned about representation
There, is that a better phrasing?
limpid agate
I dont really care about representation in that sense. If they want to make a playable black woman, I would be all for it.
If
They make a black woman relevant.
The closest is Orisa.
The others like Adawe and Mirembe are minor characters.
When it comes to NPCs, you have Efi and that's about it.
But until we get a character that matters, I dont care much to push it.
Im not gonna rush Blizzard to pull someone out of no where that no one cares about.
Unless we start seeing more of Mirembe or Adawe, or the introduce another character
That can wait
timid eagle
I would like to play as a hero that can transform.
As it's main mechanic.
As for other heroes....
crystal loom
bastion lol ez clap
timid eagle
He doesn't count.
Anyway, I hope to see some more lore-related bits later this year.
limpid agate
Gamescom is your best bet
And Blizzcon
Those are the last two major occaisions that arent just events
timid eagle
Hmmm.
Is there a good chance a new animated short will premier at Gamescom?
After Retribution, I'm hungry for lore and character expansion.
D.Va and Zen, specifically.
We got some good info with Gabe before his full transformation.
limpid agate
Good chance we will get one, yes.
timid eagle
For speculation, which hero would get the honors?
limpid agate
Mercy, Lucio, DVa, and Zen are good candidates IMO
timid eagle
I would also like to see some backstory for Jack during that time when he and Gabe "died" at the HQ.
It bounces back and forth between the two and you hear what had happened from their POV's, switching back and forth.
craggy bramble
hammond goes by wrecking ball because it's a name he chose for himself right?
that's kinda neat
subtle dawn
it's his 'stage name' from his time fighting in junkertown
cunning ledge
Itās also that itās the name of the mech
And Hammond is just the pilot (whose name isnāt known by those who know the mech)
worthy rose
I'm gonna call Hammond Miley Cyrus because of the memes š
cunning ledge
Serious discussion here please
In reality anyone who even vaguely knows the lore will call him Hammond
And people who donāt might be slightly confused as to why this hamster is called Wrecking Ball
worthy rose
Is there even lore about Brigitte, exept the stuff we know from the Reinhardt animation
cunning ledge
She has an origins video, like all post release heroes (and 76 and tracer)
It heavily implies she has joined or will join new overwatch
worthy rose
Oh.
weary copper
I just realised
in the animated short for winston
the failed shield thing
became tracers pulse bomb
dire timber
hm, does she? have we seen her use it in the comics?
remember that gameplay isn't canon
cunning ledge
it's not there in uprising
the comic
i also highly doubt that a malfunctioning shield would be related to a bomb that works on pulse technology
the shield is hard light and the bomb is pulse technology
they're both blue but they're not the same
iron plume
wouldn't hard light be formed by a pulse
I don't think it's directly related, but it could well be where he got the idea
since it worked against reaper
regal coyote
if we think about it even on a semi-realistic view, they were overwatch operatives, which means they would ahve used an array of different tools and equipment during their mission, not limited to those available in gameplay
I would wager simple things like andes and bombs and guns would be available to EVERYONE.
that does not mean they ahve to use everything all the time.
so yeah it makes sense for jack to carry a pistol, or reaper to have nades and what not on them'
hell i would even say they would all carry thigns like utility knives and tools on them somewhere.
But i dont think that is an important part of lore ... similar to things like the format or underwear of an superhero wear being lore, but it servers little importansce to the grand theme of things, other than for the r34 people
Yes granted it is a part of fan base that helps things getting popular, it is not the focus.
short scaffold
@tribal hawk Keep it civil please
dire timber
@regal coyote why do you always end up saying random shit out of nowhere
why did "r34 people" do to warrant a mention here?
regal coyote
lets face it, like it or not, there are many different types of fans and facet of the fandom. and even those who make slashfics and the r34 people is one of them, and yes some of their actions of these people, even if you dont agree with them, does further fandom and the popularity of this game. Yes, that is part of the reason why chu would keep genji's package in tact, like it or not.
so it is all related, a balance between lore, getting the in-game world more diverse, while also maintaining acceptance of the real world fan base, and keeping the game of not getting banned or such anywhere rl. which is important too
it is alsow hy the whole emily-tracer thing is subtle in game, as it can not be anything more than that
but yes, media outside game, they provide more lore content, and i wish to see more interesting stuff happening.
worthy rose
The lack of a story mode in this game is bothersome to me.
cunning ledge
it's a competitive multiplayer fps
where's the need for a story mode conceptually
or at least that's what blizzard is probably thinking
i know games like starcraft do actually have a campaign
bronze sky
We don't need it
But it would be great
If we had campaign modes for each hero
It doesn't have to be much, maybe just a little mission they were in
regal coyote
@dire timber ...
Suggestion 1 is meaningless.
Either he is playable, or made to be a name drop or sub character
whatever it is, he is too far away from even a face. But yeah,a s said i want indiana jones x lara croft.
Suggestion 2: I dont see why we should nail it to Haiti or whatever whichever it is
thing is, we dont know how the area is like after the omnic war.
a mroe reasonable way would be maybe have a new aquatic floating city built in the carriabians. that would upgrade the tech of the area in lore too. some kinda enviro tech would be good.
youg et under water lab portion in map also.
A nice sporty marine specialist black girl would be great. maybe a robot sidekick?
Suggestion 3: Not worth it.
Too much giving in to all the fanfic thing.
If you ask me though, sure why not. But it feels forced. Especially it seems chu was supposed to do the genji-mercy line. (personally i dont care either way)
Suggestion 4: I am waiting on it
it has to be done extremely subtle though, to go under the radar in game (so game dont get banned)
now how to do it in a comic, showing the person a bit less typical in their young age would do well.
Bonus point if you have something like an older lady as the trans, with her youth picture showing young boys like looks and waht not.
youc an even explain away as to the more uptight conservative real life fuckers also without getting into trouble (just say, what do you mean? you can think whatever it is this is a comic)
I remember that when asked about certain muppet being gay the designer just say "it is a muppet and does not have lower part below the waist"
Now on my part: I wish to see eagles going with the new archaeologist.
valid shell
That's
A wall.
@regal coyote A game can't be banned for having a trans character, what decade do you live in.
In Russia, maybe, but they'll just do what they did with Emily and doctor her out of their version.
Wait. Are you Russian? I don't recall.
If so, your worry is on point.
cunning ledge
party is the russian one
regal coyote
russia is just one country that is doing it, but as a business you want to avoid pissy fuckers as much as you can
so give the fact an "emily treatment" would be best
that way you get it in game, without loss of profit (which is an important thing, blizz is company after all)
also, trans is much less readily accepted rl still unfortunately.
iron plume
"the russian one"
and while it won't be banned, it will be slapped an 18+ which means recalling and reissuing everything
as for Emily, it wasn't even really doctored out, it's just not explicitly stated in-game
there's no one who pays the slightest bit of attention who doesn't know about it
if that's the way they go with a trans character there shouldn't be an issue
regal coyote
the wonders of out of gam content is that since it is out of game at worst it is the extra comic that is banned or not-issued, and would not affect the game at all
as long as it is not shown in game then it goes under the radar of lots of places legally
dire timber
@iron plume if the only real indication that the character is trans is a spray of them as a child... how would that be received?
dire timber
but no real trouble?
iron plume
but that's not that much different
if you mean legally, your first mistake is assuming the russian government is consistent about anything and it's thus possible to tell what the fuck they'll do
dire timber
just exclude the spray from the Russian versions I guess
iron plume
I think it's fine if they don't state it outright
like Emily isn't called "tracer's gay gf emily"
regal coyote
^
pliant radish
Reflections is banned, but I'm pretty sure all the in-game refs are the same
iron plume
it's not banned, it just isn't translated
regal coyote
also if your spray is a little boy leading a few boys and girls you can explain away that "one of them is the now old lady"
whiel not saying out right the leading boy is the old lady
iron plume
Even a solo shot wouldn't be out of the place
you don't have to say "SEE THIS IS THE HERO AS A CHILD"
make the implication since the other Archives sprays are
bronze sky
People could assume he is her son or smth
regal coyote
can we kick ling <@&397922982632226816>
bronze sky
It wouldn't be a big deal if its not obvious
regal coyote
would confuse it as their kid though
iron plume
no other archives spray shows the hero's kid
regal coyote
thanks :3
iron plume
and a lot of them show their younger selves
cunning ledge
torb and ana, right
dire timber
@regal coyote why do you insist on making the trans hero old
why not just, you know
an adult
regal coyote
well i love to have older hero
dire timber
we already have so many
regal coyote
in the sense that you show them as mroe learned with more depth ins tory and mental development
young heroes are commone everywhere
i am not saying having super old one
dire timber
just make them, Idk, Sombra age
regal coyote
I am thinking about somewhere aroudn early 30s
dire timber
30 years old
regal coyote
that makes for more story development before the "current timeline"
so we have general idea around 30-40 too
valid shell
Because we've had so much for all our 50+ year old heroes.
regal coyote
well yeah though being an old person i am happy to see the old folks still care and still fighting
bronze sky
I think reinhardt is the oldest one?
regal coyote
also having a 30 soemthing trans would show that it is indeed who they are and no stupid "its a phase mom" kind of joke can be made
valid shell
@bronze sky Reinhardt's 61, Ana's 60, Torb is 57, Jack/Gabe are around 54, and it goes down from there.
regal coyote
also it would be ncie if they make trans hero NOT a thai or a filipeno.
bronze sky
Well that explains his back pains
unkempt sierra
why not thai or filipino ?
spare fog
i preferend another monkey over a hamster
valid shell
@unkempt sierra Because mtf prostitutes are an industry in SE Asia.
unkempt sierra
oh...
valid shell
Trans people are more accepted culturally, but the sex worker stigma comes with it.
spare fog
is mcree and hanzo actually gay
spare fog
thanks asking for a friennd
regal coyote
would be ncie to nevigate away from the sex worker pitfall.
limpid agate
Reminder this is a sfw discord
regal coyote
as much as i would love to see a SE asia hero
limpid agate
Thailand could use a hero though
valid shell
Yup.
regal coyote
yes jewvia we are not talking about nsfw topic here
remember even jeff loved that one guy with a fan thai concept, the one with the fish thing :3
dire timber
some would obviously end up turning the trans subject into a Thailand thing
I think it's best to keep them separate
that's the one cultural stereotype that can't be made cool
it's the one thing that'll be lowkey degrading one way or another
@valid shell the big problem MtF persons are faced with is acceptance, the big problem FtM persons are is visibility
I think an MtF hero would be easier to handle, but I could be biased due to the fact that I already conceptualized them somewhat
peak escarp
Someone was mentioning the ages of the original strike team earlier
Gabe is 58 (was 50 during Retribuition), Jack is 57 (confirmed to be a year younger than Gabe by Chu at a panel in 2016)
regal coyote
@dire timber agreed
maybe it would be easier if we make this person somewhat more generic in other aspacts.
hmm a canadian would work well also.
or soemthing like that
where the related local population would NOT be offeneded for their representative to be mtf to start with.
and without any stigma
or other related stuff.
dire timber
on one hand, a Canadian trans hero wouldn't be an issue, on the other... I think after Sam, people are lowkey expecting native representation
peak escarp
I'd be proud to have any hero represent my country
regal coyote
can it be both though
someone with native blood AND a trans?
also mkes sense if it is a relative of Sam also.
if anything it would continue the "familywatch" thing
limpid agate
I'd rather just get characters we know
regal coyote
yes
but as we know it it seems that the overwatch development team likes to drop a few out-of-nowhere character once in a while to keep things fresh
but yes i hope the next hero (and H30) to be someone we know
dire timber
@regal coyote mashing these concepts together would feel a bit forced
bronze sky
No seriously why is the majority of healers are female
dire timber
healsluts
bronze sky
We only have lucio and zen
And zen is a robot so idk if he had genders
iron plume
implying healsluts play anyone but mercy anyway
dire timber
Zenyatta best healslut
iron plume
Zenyatta is healdom
dire timber
yes
iron plume
fr tho it's a bit silly of a complaint but I do want a dude healer
main especially, since it's 3/3 female as now
bronze sky
I wanna see more of the scientists who "modified" genji
Was it just Angela? Just one doctor? Really?
regal coyote
there are mle healers
bronze sky
I need answers
peak escarp
Zen still counts as male
dire timber
@bronze sky I dunno if that's going to be a thing, unless we explicitly get a roboticist hero
limpid agate
We have 2 guys and 4 girls.
regal coyote
we may get more healers soon
but really there are other roles we need, both for gameplay and for lore
limpid agate
If you discount non-humans, females also outnumber males in tanks
peak escarp
Mercy isn't a cyberization engineer, so other people had to have worked on Genji
iron plume
inb4 torb made the actual body
peak escarp
And even when it came to saving his life, she probably had assisting doctors/nurses
bronze sky
I would love to see a character that genji has a love/hate relationship with because he built the body
peak escarp
She's just the one who gets all the credit
iron plume
"assistant doctor" isn't really hero material though
bronze sky
Body engineers?
iron plume
unless they're involved with the tech or did something important after
dire timber
Mercy stabilized Genji, but it's Overwatch's roboticists that turned him into a cyborg
iron plume
A cyborg specialist would be kinda cool
limpid agate
I think we have enough Overwatch RnD.
iron plume
maybe with adjustable cybernetics as the hero concept
bronze sky
A weird healer that gives adjustable cybernetics
limpid agate
We have 5 ex-Overwatch agents that made equipment for Overwatch.
bronze sky
A builder that builds on other players
dire timber
Cyberneticist? Roboticist? Idk what the term is.
limpid agate
Out of 12
peak escarp
5?
dire timber
But honestly, I think that the enhancements could be Torbjorn's work.
limpid agate
Winston
Torb
Mei
Mercy
Moira
They all made either their own gear, or gear for their allies. Past and present
dire timber
He's no stranger to prosthetics
iron plume
Ana didn't make hers?
peak escarp
I didn't think of them
bronze sky
Could be, but they enchanced his reflexes and such
I don't think its sheerly torbs work
iron plume
hm okay
either way I don't see what's wrong with it
they're not making the same thing over and over
limpid agate
There's still Winston.
Who has some of the more impressive accomplishments
Like solving the chronal displacement and building the Chronal Accelerator
Or making a functional tesla cannon that does more than just shoot sparks in a cone around the barrel
Yes I know thats all it does in game
iron plume
well it does mention scientists as one of the things in the pitch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/403021440309526541/468131309445971969/unknown.png
And the idea of the heroes being the best and brightest
limpid agate
And at this time, we have 5 Overwatch scientists out of 12 ex-Overwatch heroes.
I'd like to take a step back from adding more RnD.
iron plume
Scientists/Engineers make more exciting opportunities is all I'm saying
because you can go "he made this cool thing and uses it"
limpid agate
Right, but they're supposed to be arming Overwatch
It feels silly when half of the heroes use their own gear
ANd the half of the remianing use generic arms.
iron plume
They make others' gear too and not everyone from overwatch is a hero
limpid agate
Genji was partially Mercy.
Tracer was Winston
Reaper was Moira
Ana in the present (Not the past) is Torb/Mercy's work
iron plume
Mei and Winston's gear aren't their Overwatch "job", too
limpid agate
Soldier, McCree, Ana in the past, and I'm forgetting someone.
Reinhardt. His armor was Torb, fine thats fair.
iron plume
Reaper's condition is Moira
limpid agate
His shotguns are of unknown origin.
iron plume
and presumably it was intended to be beneficial
limpid agate
But his wraith powers are Moira's work
regal coyote
i dont think we need origin of every weapon, especially the more commonplace ones
gabe had been using shotguns before his powers
so it is reasonable he took his prefer weapons and personalized it
to start early shotgun used by gabe probably is not something too special
inf anythiign it is something that is reasonable obtainable
dire timber
@limpid agate the hero and their gearmaster?
you forgot Rein and Torb then
with Brigitte taking over for Torb eventually
weary copper
bastion was made by torb
cunning ledge
the bastion unit line was designed partly by torb
as a human peacekeeping robot
but i suppose tangentially yes
worthy rose
The most solid revelation there is between bastion and torb is whatās shown in their comic together
olive karma
I wanna know what happens to Bastion when he entered the city after waking up
iron plume
he didn't enter the city
he was going to due to his programming, but after his flashback he turned back to the forest
he was later found by some officials who called Torb, which is the story in the comic Binary
olive karma
OK thx
cedar moon
Iād like to see a spray of Brigitte making a turret
fickle shale
a nightmare becomes true.
fickle shale
torb jr
cedar moon
New meta
valid shell
@cedar moon ?
cedar moon
Oh nothin sorry
viscid scroll
Are there canon couples in the lore?
viscid scroll
Via voice lines?
limpid agate
@viscid scroll 4
Genji and Mercy is NOT one of them
Tracer and Emily
Torbjorn and Ingrid
Widowmaker and Gerard
Ana and Sam
Emily is Tracer's girlfriend.
Ingrid is Torb's wife.
Gerard is Widow's ex husband. She killed him. That's why her name is Widowmaker.
Ana and Sam made Pharah, we dont know if they were married or divorced or what.
subtle dawn
i specified hinted at, not confirmed
wasn't saying genji & mercy were a canonical couple
limpid agate
Genji sent the doctor that saved his life a Christmas letter. It can be ship tease or just a christmas letter to the person that literally saved your life.
subtle dawn
i'm aware
limpid agate
If someone asks about canon couples, its best to tell them about canon couples.
Especially when there is 3 more before the one you speculated.
All of which are more important than Emily.
Since all 3 are directly responsible for heroes in the game
subtle dawn
ana and sam don't exactly seem together at this point in the lore
prisma wren
wow
limpid agate
Correct. Neither is Gerard.
prisma wren
2 moderators fighting
limpid agate
Because he's dead.
But it is still an important and canon couple.
And Gerard himself is the most important of those 4 characters, being the most prominent Overwatch NPC.
At least for Overwatch of the past.
Present Overwatch obviously has Athena
ionic socket
I'd love to know more about ana's lore!
I just know she gets shot by widowmaker... somewhere...
unborn tundra
Itās in one of the comics and Iām pretty sure it was the scope of her gun that got shot, and splintered into her eye
cedar moon
Dang
unborn tundra
Not her herself
ionic socket
Oh man...
Thats horrible
Are there any updates on her parrot's name in the lore anywhere?
She has one for her pirate skin
unborn tundra
I donāt think itās canonical
ionic socket
Drat. Curse you blizzard
limpid agate
Legacy: http://bit.ly/2fnRgkS
Old Soldiers: http://bit.ly/2fDN6sC
ionic socket
cedar moon
Did Ana become Shrike before the eye event
ionic socket
š š š
unborn tundra
Wut
cedar moon
Sorry
limpid agate
No
Shrike is exclusively post Overwatch
After she was thought to be dead
And she wanted to stay that way
But also wanted to fight
So she became Shrike.
unborn tundra
Why did you use an alternate website when you couldāve used the real one
limpid agate
Thats the official madefire animated version
The "real one" is still images
Those are animated.
And just as official
unborn tundra
Oh ok
viscid scroll
Is there anything in the lore that entails why Reaper became so distant & skeletal?
unborn tundra
Moira backstory i think
limpid agate
Its a build up of a lot of things
For his condition
He had a genetic issue he wanted Moira to look into. She is the biggest reason for his ethreal powers in their current state.
But for him looking undead (That's a mask not his face)
š¤·
Its tied to the Swiss HQ explosion, most likely
Where Soldier 76 and Reaper fought to the death
And the world thought both were slain
As for why he is so distant
It starts with Retribution
And its just a build up of a lot of things
At some point, Reaper joined Talon
@stoic lava So do we
He has none
cedar moon
He has a little with Symmetra
limpid agate
Symmetra, DVa, Zenyatta, Orisa
cedar moon
Vishkar*
limpid agate
They all have little reason to exist.
Also Hammond but hes still new
DVa is a mech pilot fighting a kaiju
unborn tundra
Still has the worst lore imo
cedar moon
Na h
unborn tundra
Orisas lore is down there with dva
ionic socket
So whats the story behind necropolis?
Are there any hints on the map in game?
O thanks
limpid agate
No
Thats wrong
@stoic lava @ionic socket
Necropolis is where Ana and Soldier 76 are hiding out after Old Soldiers
Its in Egypt, near Cairo
Ana has been camping there as Shrike for a while. She hordes stolen Overwatch healing tech there.
Her and Jack use them for their weapons.
If you were talking about Numbani, it was not obliterated, the city is fine.
Just the airport.
Its an airport
What
She knew about the OR14 parts, then bought a scrapped bot and rebuilt it.
She didnt stumble upon Orisa being broken and nurture her like a sick bird
unborn tundra
Dinint
limpid agate
Okay. So what. Doomfist didnt obliterate Numbani, which is the original point
Did Doomfist punch a bunch of robots into scrap in the airport? Yeah
But he didnt destroy the city like you suggested.
valid shell
@stoic lava Sure.
timid eagle
Looking at Lucio's new emote is interesting, as his gun creates a turn table out of solid light.
harsh bison
Gonna be honest, I don't like the emote.
worthy rose
Hmm
bronze sky
We know that lucio's tech is similar to Sym's anyway
cunning ledge
LĆŗcio uses sonic sound tech developed by his own father when he worked at Vishkar
Symmetra uses hard light tech
Thereās a neat thing there with sound and light being similar but itās not the same
soft carbon
... so for the entire time Hammond was reigning gladiator champion in Junkertown, nobody knew he was a hamster?
Must have been a top-tier recluse.
cunning ledge
Probably only Bruce and the Queen knew
iron plume
Junkers donāt seem like the kind of people whoād get up in each otherās business
And yeah he probably had a mechanic who knew, likely Bruce
cunning ledge
The mech is literally being built in the Wreckyard in the origins video
iron plume
well technically he couldve barked commands from inside the pod
regal coyote
actually i dont think people care much about who hammond is, people can be mutated there, as long as it is nto a fucking omnic they are ok with it. Bruce most likely know, but do not mind. And if the queen find out after the fact she would probably chuckle. :3 If anything the junkers admire survivors, and for sure hammond is survivor af
As for doomfist and umbani, no he did not destroy the airport, only trash the lobby of the airport a bit. In all reality the damage of the airport is minimal, at least for the functional parts. And as we know it, the trash he created after destroying those omnics are picked up by eif and necromancered into Orisa.
So yeah in reality the airport should be fixed (though the in game map stays the same for the ffect)
twin pollen
How do you guys learn all this stuff? Is there a place to find all the info?
cunning ledge
hey
if you check the pins in this channel there's a list of basically everything
the animated shorts, origins videos, and the comics are the main source of info
then there's the text based blog posts and other random sources
twin pollen
Ah sweet. Thanks!
cunning ledge
no problem!
there's no real chronological order of cinematics and comics to worry about
mostly because the story hasn't actually progressed much and it's pretty clear which ones were in the past
but if you're wondering about anything feel free to ask
twin pollen
Alright will do
worthy rose
Does hammond command wrecking ball what to say or does it talk on itself?
cunning ledge
there are four types of hammond lines
Unintelligible hamster squeaks, hamster squeaks that are translated and said through the mech, hamster squeaks that the mech explains the meaning of, and the mech saying things to Hammond directly.
worthy rose
Sometimes it translates directly what hammond says, sometimes it speaks on hammonds behalf and sometimes and it also has default phrases
Its a very strange combination
cunning ledge
the mech has a low level ai so it definitely has the capacity to understand what it is translating
and as hammond and the mech appear to have a sort of symbiotic relationship it makes sense
they're so in sync one can speak through the other
worthy rose
It has a line that says "he says hes sorry" so did hammond say that in squeak or did it to that by itself?
worthy rose
Yeah, didnt explain why though
cunning ledge
...because the mech has a low level ai
cedar moon
If it was a full direct translation, Iād think Hammond would refer to himself in the third person
regal coyote
he might have said "the great and honorable hammond" for all it cares
the wball translator is probably having some primittive AI, sort of like a smarter siri
not to the point of thinkign perfectly on its own but does have a bit of a personality
i would guess maybe hammond took the AI part from the moon base when he crash land his pod.
cunning ledge
19
regal coyote
she is also active militay so can msot likely kick your ass with ease
autumn lynx
Ok, thank you
regal coyote
but from lore it is 18+, to be in ,ilitary at least
lost fjord
You can know the age of every characters in the overwatch's wiki @autumn lynx
autumn lynx
OK
spare fog
we should get an alien as next character
regal coyote
no
cunning ledge
technically hammond and winston are both aliens
assuming they were born on the colony
pure kernel
Mind blown
regal coyote
so did that weird guy who sneaks into the country not speaking even engrish
pure kernel
Deport them
regal coyote
but well, technically there are mroe robots in space than humns in overwatch
so yeah a space robot inasion is not impossabe in omnic war 2.0
cunning ledge
there are more robots than humans in space in real life
pure kernel
I wanted an omnic from space
cunning ledge
it would make a lot of sense to use omnics for space missions
if only they weren't massively prejudiced against
pure kernel
But Hamboi is ok
valid shell
I would love a Hiroo Onoda-esque Omnic from space or the ocean who doesn't know the Omnic Crisis is over.
iron plume
so beginning-of-cinematic Bastion
valid shell
Sure, except they haven't been asleep.
blazing lance
Mimic omnic character would be dope. His ultimate picks from a character not in play or something
velvet nymph
who is lucio
regal coyote
he was a skater boy
now he is a superstar
his fater was a scientist exploited by vishkar
valid shell
Less memes please guys
novel quarry
Yeah guys come on
the overwatch lore is serious business
valid shell
It's moreso to keep the chat from turning into "who can misspell Brigitte's name in the most le epic way".
opal pebble
im pretty sure winston was not a gorilla before
limpid agate
Shitposting will result in a loss of access. @opal pebble
limpid agate
Genetic engineering
peak escarp
since gorillas and humans evolved from a common ancestor it's plausible that, with some genetic conditioning, they could be made to speak
the basic anatomy is there
worthy rose
Sombra's real name?
worthy rose
lol
regal coyote
on gorilla and being smart, i think it is mroe than genetic engineering
some medication or upgrades may also be added it seems, like some kinda therapy
also there might be transplants
hammond has it
delicate storm
What's the best way to read the lore?
delicate storm
Sweet thanks
marble zodiac
ALRIGHT, PICTURE THIS. Tracer is ACTUALLY a talon member but since she can time travel, shes acting as a double agent in the future/past
peak escarp
she can't actually time travel
she just manipulates her timestream relative to everyone else, which makes her appear to move backwards/forwards in time
marble zodiac
yeah its been two years Im just throwing shit out there now
covert oyster
Looking at the illustrated timeline, it's somewhat funny to see, "DJ makes music" in the middle of, "Everything has gone to shit"
dense estuary
Hey when things are going to shit there will be fighting and fighting needs a soundtrack
considering the holographic and light tech in overwatch setting id imagine the light shows at a Lucio event must be amazing.
covert oyster
Oh hell yes.
slow gazelle
ok so idk why but i thought this was cool it being torb lol
valid shell
@slow gazelle Delete link please.
slow gazelle
Am I not aloud to post it here?
tranquil harness
The most important Overwatch lore is regarding Hanzo's dainty ankles.
valid shell
@slow gazelle Why would the lore discussion channel be the place to post dankdank twitch clips?
brisk harbor
Oof
slow gazelle
@valid shell sorry I donāt really use discord to much so Iām new to it and didnāt realize what chat I was in
But I took it down
valid shell
All good.
slow gazelle
@valid shell where can I post it at?
valid shell
slow gazelle
@valid shell thanks didnāt realize there was a video section lol
cunning ledge
#overwatch for gameplay talk!
cedar moon
Any members of blackwatch who joined Overwatch instead of talon
iron plume
The known ones that aren't with Talon are Genji and McCree
McCree is going solo in the present, Genji is iffy
we don't specifically know he joined
but the dialogue in Dragons suggests he at least considers the offer
regal coyote
interesting thing is that after he disabled tracer he did not really go for the kill
so he does what he needs to, and is not a killjoy
honest pulsar
I wonder that if in game u can shoot through tracers cronoexcelorater like widow maker does in the animated short "Alive"
honest pulsar
Oh...
valid shell
Yup.
honest pulsar
valid shell
Yup, I've seen the short.
regal coyote
thanks for the short though
peak escarp
No
The Doomfist fight happened in the past
And this isn't the place to share hero concepts
cedar moon
K
terse oak
Likelihood of Bastion chilling with people?
cedar moon
Outlook, negative
iron plume
After Binary, not out of the question if one of those people is Torb
cunning ledge
pretty likely in fact
iron plume
idk if āchillingā is likely
heās with torb, but I have doubts on him meeting the others quite yet
cunning ledge
did someone ping me?
limpid agate
Okay
Someone brought it up
But was gonna say
I like how two of the sprays have a lore connotation to them
One being Overwatch and one being Torb's family and Reinhardt.
Which include Mei and Bastion now
Up one from Reflections
cunning ledge
the first one is calaveras in reflections + two other characters vaguely related to alcohol?
third one is d.va watching esports while taking a break inside her mech i guess
wait no
she's not in the mech
limpid agate
First one doesnt make much sense
Other than they are all wanderers that were in Dorado
regal coyote
i guess they happen to be in the same bar
limpid agate
What I enjoy is Bastion not understanding what he's watching
regal coyote
we know both mccree and sombra hangs in the same bar
but yes it is strange zarya is there really
esp sombra and zarya not in good terms
cunning ledge
winston with the sideways hat is pretty good too
harsh bison
Since this is the lore channel, may I bring up the Blizzard is thinking about killing off a character?
cunning ledge
oh god not this again