#lore-discussion
royal ether
limpid agate
Then I cant help you
vivid osprey
Mehh
runic sigil
I'll give you a hint. His arm isn't looking too normal.
Also, when talking about Tracers age you have to first decide what viewpoint you take. Do you take the viewpoint of an observer on time. Meaning they judge her age on the time passed relative to themselves between now and her day of birth or are you looking at it from Traders perspective. Her biological age would always correspond to what Tracer is experiencing. Her lawful age might be a bit harder to define.
Similar when you move close to the speed of light. Everything around you would appear to almost stand still. You would still continue to age though.
When you slow down you would appear older than someone who was the same age before you did this. But your documents would still have you listed as your official age.
iron plume
Word of God is that she ages normally
runic sigil
Even if Winston brought back Tracer in the exact spot in time she was supposed to be. The fact that she restores herself from a few seconds ago on rewind indicates that she reverts her biological structure as such also reverts the tiny bit of aging she did in that time period. While not influencing the world around her. Doing this once wouldn't have a huge effect. But do it often enough and you can cut off an increasing amount of time from your biological age.
The reason I say she reverts aging is cause she cures every wound and poisoning afflicting her.
This should also mean she doesn't remember what happened in the period of time she rewound though.
I'm not arguing with the devs that have specified her age. Since the government wouldn't change the age listed there to reflect this. They would probably keep the simple calculation of current day - date of birth = current age
That is also why Mei should be older on paper than biologically after being frozen for a period of time.
runic sigil
So are you saying rewind does not affect her biological aging at all?
limpid agate
As far as we know.
No
It doesnt.
If it did, she wouldnt age normally and would be effectively immortal
runic sigil
If that is the case it shouldn't cure wounds or poisoning either though
limpid agate
No, it does.
Dont try to apply real logic to fake time travel
It undoes injury
But it doesnt undo age
Tracer ages normally is what we were told
runic sigil
Isn't that part of the idea when discussing lore?
limpid agate
We discussed this to death. Thing at the top of the food chain that is infalliable, is the lead writer making comments and clarifications on this type of thing.
runic sigil
I am agreeing with the statement that she ages normally. But can undo that aging done for a short moment in her rewind. This doesn't influence the way her body ages only the fact that the aging her body does naturally can be reverted
limpid agate
That's not aging normally
runic sigil
Yes it is. You are just changing the position in time the natural aging process is at. If you look at it from Tracers perspective she would age naturally for the amount of time she can recall being alive.
cunning ledge
Daily reminder that in uprising, time travel is specifically called “not an exact science”
That is blizzard saying to not think about it too hard
runic sigil
Fine. Can we talk about Sombra's translocator than and how it impacts Sombra when she uses it?
cunning ledge
She instantaneously teleports from one place to another
That’s pretty much it
I’m betting it was based off the space part of the chronal tech and not time
runic sigil
To do that the translocator would need to store the current configuration of her atoms. Since it carries over her injuries it has to have some kind of link with Sombra to keep track of chances. Since it is not using her initial stage when throwing it out.
tepid abyss
Feelsbad when tracer can get killed in start/ end of blinks and recall
And doom in the start of meteor even when he's all blue
cunning ledge
@tepid abyss #overwatch is what you’re looking for
formal holly
what do we know about tracers chronal accelerator?
regal coyote
@limpid agate actually even if tracer's biological time is affected by her time travel a bit, the time she gaine/lose during her powers are on is si minimal that maybe over the years she gains and lose averaged out a few weeks of time.
I would still say that is "aging normally"
I mean being a few weeks older basically have little effect on health and looks, somthing a nice protein mask would fix easily at least
runic sigil
It depends on how often she rewinds. Taking an extreme situation, taking 6 hours of sleep into account and assuming she'd be recalling as often as she can I came to this conclusion. Considering she can rewind once every 12 seconds and it takes 1.25 seconds to complete the rewind. After that time she reverts to 3 seconds ago. Meaning that in one day with 6 hours of sleep she could rewind about 4 hours of time in total. In one week this would add up to aprox 29 hours.
This is assuming the very limiting factors added into the game for balancing reasons. In reality the amount fo time she can rewind and cooldowns are less impactful.
dire timber
I wouldn't treat gameplay as an infallible source
but honestly, I think that her aging is properly "synced up" with real time
twilit sand
Could she life forever through rewinding?
autumn lynx
A good theory for Sombras translocator would be quantum entanglement where 2 particles are exactly the same, even if they are millions of kilometers apart and something happens to one. Say one particle get's cut in half, the other would too. That would allow her to keep any wounds she had while still teleporting.
iron plume
I was with you until a particle getting cut in half
also quantum entanglement doesn’t work on macro sized objects
autumn lynx
Yeah it does
runic sigil
If you can figure out a way to entangle all of the particles making up a human being it would work. Currently we have no way to do so though, but Overwatch is set in the future so that allows for some jumps in technology to be possible.
autumn lynx
Well we have already been able to make quantum computers, and we started making them like 5 or 6 years ago, so I'm sure overwatch could definitely have some tech like that.
brisk lily
i mean they have to be kept in a vaccum but maybe
autumn lynx
Yeah, but think about how it would work in the future?
brisk lily
maybe
runic sigil
Quantum computers are a lot easier than quantum entangling a living being. Current science suggests that it is highly implausible if not impossible. But you should allow some room for disbelief to be a thing.
autumn lynx
True, but quantum computers work using quantum entanglement so we have the means to entangle the particle, we just need to figure out a way to do it on people
Then there is the possibility that Sombra uses another means of teleportation with her translocator.
peak escarp
The translocator is built from the stolen design of the chronal accelerator
So it would use the same technology
fringe carbon
why doesnt sombra just hack tracer chrono accelerater and send her back to like 1692 or sth
peak escarp
That's not how it works
Tracer doesn't actually time travel
The chronal accelerator just let's her control her relative time
worthy rose
Sooooo whats with red winstons electrical eyes?
limpid agate
It's just a cool side effect
ruby rune
ruby rune
owch
regal coyote
@limpid agate i think we should not focus too much on cool side effectgs.
think of it as those anime effects you see, it is just that.
So no, winston doont actually go SSJ style fire and lightning when he is angry
Same goes for the lightning effect in that animated shot when genji is running.
fringe carbon
maybe he just activates ofa
valid shell
@fringe carbon ?
fringe carbon
anime reference fight me
runic sigil
It might be energy build up in his body. I imagine his hairy body can generate a lot of static energy. Maybe his body contains a higher charge than an average human body. We are already capable of making sparks fly from us to a lower charged conductor
cunning ledge
or, you know, it just looks cool
runic sigil
You can explain all the lore etc. away with "they thought it'd be cool"
Hanzo creating a giant Dragon spiral, how? Who cares they probably just thought it looked cool.
cunning ledge
looking into things can be fun
but I really don't think this is a thing they put thought into
regal coyote
^
worthy rose
Nobody is in lore rn .0.
Somebody tell me how mchanzo started, I’m very curious to what provoked it
neon quiver
I think it was due to their interactions during Junkenstien's Revenge. That is when it was at peek popularity.
limpid agate
Nope
The reason why it started was because, at the time of McCree's reveal
Those two were the only dudes that were not old men or robots
But this is the lore channel
valid shell
@worthy rose They're both conventionally attractive unmasked male characters and the 'east meets west' dichotomy lets shippers pretend they're being dynamic.
limpid agate
Not the shipping channel
worthy rose
@limpid agate what about genji?
worthy rose
@valid shell thank youuuuu! you'd at least think they have spawn voice lines but i guess it's just fans being fans.
valid shell
There's literally nothing canonically. I think Reyes mentions Genji's brother to him during Retribution? That's the closest McCree comes to even knowing Hanzo exists.
It's the same thirsty creatively-bankrupt people who baselessly ship Zarya and Mei because "they like the contrast".
civic timber
hey nothin wrong with shippin' bois
civic timber
lol whats wrong if it isnt canon?
valid shell
Then it isn't relevant here.
civic timber
in general i mean unless that was all you were talking about it for lol
worthy rose
@limpid agate we know but I’m just trying to figure out if there is any lore connecting to the ship because I had no idea how it started
lost fjord
Why tf would there be any in game lore about a ship between mccree and hanzo
@worthy rose
limpid agate
There is no lore
worthy rose
@lost fjord I wasn’t saying there was, most people ship people like Reinhardt and Ana because they have a history together, I’d think mccree and Hanzo would have at least in spawn voice lines or something bluntly similar. So don’t jump to conclusions thinking the game input the ship
limpid agate
They dont have a romnatic history
Ana has a history with all of the Overwatch founders because they are all co founders
Thats it
worthy rose
That’s what I’m saying
I’m not Hinting that they’re romantically involved
I’m saying they have known or met each other before
And I thought that might have been something like mccree and hanzo
This discussion is fked
limpid agate
Thats flimsy enough to give reason for Moira banging Winston.
worthy rose
Ew when was that a thing
limpid agate
Its not
worthy rose
Good
limpid agate
There are 4 canon ships
Tracer/Emily
Widow/Gerard
Ana/Sam
Torb/Ingrid
And of those, Gerard is dead and Sam thinks Ana is dead
pallid nymph
We know his name is Sam?
peak escarp
As far as we can tell, McCree and Hanzo have never met
pallid nymph
I honestly could care less about the animations. I wish they'd put out at least a comic per month.
valid shell
@pallid nymph We know his name is Sam.
peak escarp
Sam was first heard from Chu at a Blizzcon 2017 voice actor panel, and again recently in-game in an interaction between Ana and Pharah
lean silo
McCree and Hanzo do have an ingame interaction. Cree tells Hanzo "that sake ain't half bad" but he prefers harder liquor and Hanzo tells him he lacks sophistication
or something
That's literally it.
No indication they've ever met. McCree obviously knows Genji but that's where it stops
Also, Genji/Mercy does have a lore backing in that they clearly exchanged correspondence (the Christmas comic, you can't tell me it's a coincidence that Genji's writing a letter and Mercy's reading one) and Mercy saved his life but that's neither here nor there
pretty much every other ship is entirely baseless and basically just there because people like it.
wasn't there a line where Ana flirts with McCree at one point
peak escarp
McCree: It's an honor fighting by your side.
Ana: You always were a charmer.
hasty surge
Ana is quite a flirt for an old women
young raptor
Ana I must say you are looking quite well
Or wait did Ana say it to rein
I forget lol
Haven't seen rein ana that much lately
Yeah Ana says rein you are looking quite well
lean silo
"for a man of your age, you're looking pretty good, Jack!"
"guess all that stuff they pumped into me has to be good for something"
runic sigil
I wonder if they'll get more in depth about the super soldier program. Although I'd prefer them moving forward in time now.
Especially the Sombra storyline seems really important. Or even Junkrats big secret
young raptor
Hanzo asked him about the treasure and junkrat said he don't know nothing about it. IDK about you but I believe him kappa
lavish solar
The only ship between two in game heroes that has any possibility of maybe being true is Genji and Mercy
pale parcel
Yo
young raptor
@lavish solar hammond and winston 
iron plume
home key errors nice
frosty shell
Many people say Mei is bae, but I'm pretty sure Mei is 南
lame pun in a language I don't even speak for the win
hasty surge
it's not even a pun....
frosty shell
The pun is bae-北
pure kernel
Just say it
limpid agate
@frosty shell The funny thing about your pun is
She is from central China
So neither direction applies
scenic holly
lololol
cunning ledge
@scenic holly ?
scenic holly
just clicked enter, n i had that pre typed for some reason omegalul sorry
@cunning ledge
minor blaze
Ya
valid shell
He asked why, not if.
worthy rose
@worthy rose not sure, hopefully they continue it instead of just adding characters with their backstories
limpid agate
@worthy rose When was the last time you paid for lore
runic sigil
They seem to have been focused more on new content in the game itself. As to opposed to out game lore bits
limpid agate
It being passed off as a marketing expense has long since passed
iron plume
but then the thing that would've allowed us to pay for lore was canceled
peak escarp
I'd like to pay for lore if they would let me
limpid agate
It was a specific, contained story.
peak escarp
From what we've seen, even just the character designs from First Strike have been retconned since then
Reinhardt should look like he does in Honor and Glory
First Strike Ana looked badass though
shut spindle
yo
what's everyone saying
I got a theory
tracer is from birminghamn
Birmingham
cunning ledge
any evidence?
scenic blade
killl me
cunning ledge
@scenic blade serious discussion here please
Shitposting will result in loss of access.
hollow raptor
hammond is going to take over the world
i have evidence
he will create an army of little robot hamsters like himslef
also hi
frosty shell
My headcanon is that Tracer comes from a more refined family, but ran away from home to rebel as a teenager
limpid agate
@hollow raptor Shitposting will result in a loss of access
frosty shell
Then she became a pilot to get back on track or something like that
Would explain how she became a pilot so young, and her punk skins
cunning ledge
...interesting
hollow raptor
your just gonna forget about the little robot hamsters
frosty shell
Also explains why her accent doesn't sound like any actual British accent
She changed it to sound more "street"
hollow raptor
ok
frosty shell
Mockney is a thing:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mockney
hollow raptor
can we go back to the robot hamsters
frosty shell
OK, what's your evidence for the robot hamsters?
cunning ledge
just ignore them, that's the only actual way to deal with the persistent trolls
hollow raptor
well hammond is one of the smartest monkeys in the space staion
and dr hammond said he will get into alot of trouble
like if he built a mech suit from an escape pod
frosty shell
@hoary hound yep
limpid agate
@hollow raptor Final warning.
hoary hound
@frosty shell So,if Tracer was as such, do you think her family funded tha training for her to be a pilot or not?
hollow raptor
k ima go
frosty shell
Maybe, this person came up with a similar theory independently: https://old.reddit.com/r/OverwatchLore/comments/6n8eej/what_are_your_headcanons_for_individual/dkckzud/
hoary hound
@hollow raptor Needs a lot more logic/explanation...
hollow raptor
yeah bit how is it shitposting
valid shell
@hollow raptor Completely unfounded and explicitly untrue "theories" are shitposting.
hollow raptor
i dont think you fully understand the concept of shitposting
shitposting is posting stuff that dont make sense
valid shell
Then please, by all means. Post evidence that Hammond has ever built a robot of himself.
Otherwise, shitposting.
hollow raptor
he probably has the capabilities to built a mech of himslef
valid shell
Source?
hollow raptor
my imagination
hollow raptor
there is non
valid shell
Then why did you lie?
hollow raptor
- that was a joke*
i didn't mean to write that
but i still think there is a possibility
anyway ima go
valid shell
Read the channel description please.
hollow raptor
yes its serious
i apologise for that
but i still think there is a possibility that will happen with no evidence
valid shell
Sure. There's a possibility of anything happening.
But it's not worth discussing without evidence.
So, please don't.
worthy rose
Ugh my family plays league and they’re saying that the concept of Hammond was copied from Rumble, all except the look and the abilities, and I don’t think it’s true but is it
cunning ledge
cute animal in giant mech is a trope i've seen a few times in games
weary copper
thx didnt know
cunning ledge
no problem
weary copper
its not loading for me
weary copper
thx that one works
worthy rose
@cunning ledge what games are those
worthy rose
Thank youuu
valid shell
@worthy rose https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wOsP8UvgLZ4/Vx_5knbDzBI/AAAAAAAAOt0/_FlMZ9OSdY89pWQbAk92Up7xaPz00iFSQCLcB/s1600/rumble.png
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worthy rose
thank you everyone UwU
cunning ledge
^
urban folio
Wrecking Ball looks like an omnidroid
lost fjord
Well ruckus mech does have a voice, and 2 machinegun, and the goblin (ruckus) is a little thing in a big mech
limpid agate
Back to Overwatch
worthy rose
alright
so, we know hammond is a hmster in a ball
unique concept, never seen that before, Blizzard copyright
that koreans wil;l kill with
royal ether
Im thinking
We dont know too much bout hammond
but from what we already know the only company making mekas are is korea
wait
nvm
iron plume
His mech isn’t from a company, he built it around the escape pod
sturdy fable
So
Should Hammond not have already died of old age considering how old Winston seems to be and the life span of a Hamster?
cunning ledge
Hammond and Winston are both heavily genetically modified
sturdy fable
I suppose, but is it canon that it affects their aging?
sturdy fable
My point exactly, maybe this was not considered
sturdy fable
Can I has source? Curious
But what if they just didn’t think “what’s the life span of a hamster?”
cunning ledge
you can't just say there's a plot hole by going "but what if you don't assume the logical scenario"
iron plume
it's on his bio post
sturdy fable
I’m not saying there is, I’m pointing out a big if
iron plume
woven idol
Why is everything biotic in the ow universe
cunning ledge
biotics is the mystery medical technology that means a heal stick/heal grenades/etc makes a slight bit of sense
woven idol
And does light-hard constructions an overwatch fiction or does it exist real life
*hard-light
fringe carbon
@valid shell that cute animal is a yordle and theyre kinda fucked in the head
and that goblin lookin ass dude defo aint cutr
cute
valid shell
K
obtuse geyser
The goblin looks like Its a skylander
fringe carbon
LOL
i remember those
heal stick?\
@cunning ledge we already have those
sryinges
limpid agate
@fringe carbon We dont have Mercy's Nanobiotic tech
Thats purely science fiction
Most of the tech is
Mechs, Omnics, power armor, laser cannons, talking animals, cyborgs, time travelling jets
pearl blade
Hard light
fringe carbon
we got heroine tho
alpine ridge
Thats like a nanoboost
cunning ledge
no
cunning ledge
serious discussion here please
fringe carbon
ana has it
cunning ledge
not in the lore
fringe carbon
smh
cunning ledge
as far as we know it isn't real
and i don't mean that she doesn't shoot it at anyone
she literally doesn't have the giant syringe thing on her left arm
wait hang on now I feel unsure about that statement
let me check
it is actually there but it's small and hard to notice
probably because it's only there as a character design thing
it's also got something yellow in it, which is odd because it's blue in-game
so I think that's more evidence that it isn't a canon ability
cunning ledge
Jack in Old Soldiers?
fringe carbon
usually retard wow ur right
cunning ledge
She's not alone in either of her comics
valid shell
@fringe carbon She's canonically travelling with Jack atm.
Look at Old Soldiers, Reflections, and Necropolis.
fringe carbon
.
limpid agate
@fringe carbon Lets not insult people
Especially when they're trying to explain something to you
limpid agate
I was warning you. If you have a complaint, please contact @sullen pagoda
fringe carbon
done
valid shell
Ask a question, get pinged.
limpid agate
The first one is a question
And the second line is an incorrect answer
"Who could she shoot it at"
Jack Morrison
He was with her in both comics.
And that is assuming:
A - She has nanoboost
B - Nanoboost canonically works
cunning ledge
the arm syringe is probably only there because it's part of the character's design
for some reason I remembered it not being there but it is, in a few panels
cunning ledge
no?
cunning ledge
it's also not there in reflections
but we all know how reflections is for details
(or, y'know, she's just not wearing it)
worthy rose
Could you believe that wrecking ball originally wasnt gonna be with hammond?
Or something
valid shell
What do you mean, or something?
ripe citrus
hammond adds nothing to the hero concept really
worthy rose
he does
they wanted it to connect to something instead of be out of nowhere
and the previous concepts just didnt work
snow inlet
Am I the only one that feels like they should have just named wrecking ball Hammond? and if u disagree can you tell me why plz
limpid agate
No, youre not the only one
90% of players agree with you
The reason why they didn't is because he was Wrecking Ball to them for years, and the mech is called Wrecking Ball.
Unlike DVa, where DVa is the hero
The mech itself is the hero here, and Hammond is just piloting along
It even has its own AI
The hero is 2 characters.
Hammond and Wrecking Ball
snow inlet
@limpid agate Okay thank you
worthy rose
i thought it was to follow lore like with reaper, you know since he goes by that name in junkertown
limpid agate
What
snow inlet
@worthy rose wym?
worthy rose
gabriel went by the name reaper to hide his identity, so thats what they named him along with jack
so i figured theyre doing the same thing with hammond and his safety pod
limpid agate
All the mechs in the Scrapyard
Go by their mech names
Not by the pilot names
Bludger
Kelvin 506
Wrecking Ball
worthy rose
makes sense makes sense
runic sigil
So Junker town is getting really animal themed now. Roadhog, Junkrat and now Hammond the hamster all spending a great deal of their development into a hero there.
I am curious to hear Junkers response on Wrecking Ball being controlled by an oversized hamster.
cunning ledge
Quite a lot of heroes are animal themed
12/28 and even more of you include things like reaper’s mask
runic sigil
Outside of Winston I can't think of other obviously animal themed heroes. Unless you count specific skins. Maybe Genii and Hanzo's ult but I would say the characters themselves are animal themed.
In the case of the dragons it is more of an cultural influence
cunning ledge
you really can't think of any?
D.Va - rabbit
Reinhardt - griffin/lion
Roadhog - hog
Winston - literal animal
Hammond - literal animal
Bastion - has a bird (might not count exactly)
Genji - sparrow
Junkrat - rat
Pharah - bird of some sort, possibly falcon because horus
Widowmaker - spider, specifically black widow
Ana - shrike
Lucio - frog
worthy rose
Reaper - turkey
cunning ledge
what
worthy rose
Reapers mask resembles a turkey skull
iron plume
it's a barn owl
worthy rose
Reaper's mask resembles the blackwatch logo
limpid agate
Its both
cunning ledge
and the blackwatch logo in turn is a skull, a dropship, and it has a sword/knife on it
junior heart
can anyone tell actual stuff about dva
peak escarp
I wonder what her military rank is
I think she's the only hero with military experience we don't have a rank for
Wait
Do we know Pharah's rank?
Or Tracer's pilot rank?
limpid agate
Tracer is a cadet
The military members we dont know ranks of are Doomfist and Roadhog.
I think Roadhog fought in the first crisis?
I know Doomfist did
frosty shell
Tracer likely was ranked higher than cadet when she exited OW
We don't know if Doomfist fought in the crisis
It just says he "lost his arm in the aftermath"
Roadhog fought in the Australia Liberation Front, nothing in his hero page about fighting during the Crisis
If something else said he fought it the crisis, please point it out
Do we know Zarya's rank? She probably has one
frosty shell
Oh yeah
Finally, someone brings up Searching and it's not to criticize it
(not saying it's wrong to do so)
Also, as for the religions of Overwatch characters
cunning ledge
Reyes isn't
frosty shell
IIRC Morrison's dog tag says he's christian
frosty shell
and reyes says he's not
I'm pretty sure in his Commando skin it says so
*morrison
And Zenyatta is probably Buddhist, and so is Genji
cunning ledge
I.. I don't think that counts or that's how it works
Shambali Iris Religion™ is what they have
frosty shell
Genji recites a Ku-ji mantra
cunning ledge
the parallels to real buddhism won't be brought up
frosty shell
Which is esoteric Japanese Buddhism
I'll call it Robuddhism
(Zenyatta's)
Ana's religion is hard to pinpoint
I did hear something about her hood being a headscarf
But she can't be too observant if she wanted to be tattooed with the symbol of a pagan god
She could've gotten more conservative over time, maybe
I don't think that Overwatch would actually get in trouble with China (or Russia) if they said something that vaguely suggested something political
Only if they endorsed a specific political message in relation to China would they probably get mad
I don't think Russia is really big on censoring foreign media (Reflections wasn't posted there because of a specific law banning homosexual imagery in many contexts)
The main games that have been banned in China are ones where you can fight against the Chinese army
That being said, Blizzard probably wants to avoid politics even if censorship won't get in the way
frosty shell
Shambali is just the name of the group of monks
We don't know the name of the religion
We can call it "the Shambali's religion" for the sake of it
And we don't know what the Iris actually is supposed to be
Only that "we are all one" through it
limpid agate
The iris is the subject of their faith.
Its unknown whether its an entity like brahma, a state of being like nirvanha, or a place like heaven.
frosty shell
Also, I'm pretty sure the concepts for the maps and for the heroes were created before the lore
limpid agate
Athena's body, Athena being named Iris, and a Numbani concept being called The Iris
Are all non canon
frosty shell
Yes
And how do you know "the Iris" was a Numbani concept?
I'm pretty sure the concept for Numbani predates Overwatch
frosty shell
Heroes announced after the initial announcement but before release:
Zarya-Reason: Hero seems to have made the cut primarily because the Overwatch team heard demands for a more physically-unique female character
McCree-Reason: Unknown, but it is known that Matthew Mercer asked to be the cowboy after seeing McCree's concept art
Soldier: 76-Reason: Unknown??? (He doesn't appear in any of the concept art, maybe had to be developed on his own from Metzen's character. Also, it's possible he had to be developed with Overwatch's lore in mind)
Lúcio-Reason: No idea, maybe it was hard to find a voice actor for him????? (In the concept art from the cinematic trailer)
Junkrat & Roadhog-Reason: Junkrat's concept was entirely reworked to make him Roadhog's partner
D. Va-Reason: Likely due to D. Va's finicky programming, given her unique concept
Mei-Reason: Perhaps the "Frostbite" concept stuck around for a while, so the team was still working on Mei late into the cycle
Genji-Reason: Genji's abilities took a long time to develop after Hanzo became a separate hero
ivory bobcat
Hey.Any geologist here in rl? Pm If You are
valid shell
@ivory bobcat Does it have to do with OW lore?
dense estuary
I thought 76 had been around since the very first iterations of OW
limpid agate
@frosty shell Soldier 76 was created to fill in the story.
They used him as the defacto story example at Blizzcon
Whats the point of your list, Im confused
worthy rose
S76 is a character by Chris Metzen
but that's not the Overwatch iteration I guess
yeah, it is an independent comic series from 2005
timid eagle
@frosty shell They also needed a more contemporary FPS character (sprint, self-heal, gruff military man etc.) to bring such players to the game. It wouldn't surprise me that Widowmaker was created for similar gameplay reasons.
limpid agate
Widow was one of the first characters in the game
Widow, Tracer, Pharah, and Reaper.
I think that was just them wanting to make some fun characters to play around with in early testing.
And snipers are an easy staple
raw willow
So how does Lucio tie into the Overwatch world? He's a DJ freedom fighter which is well and good but he doesnt have any direct ties to Overwatch, Blackwatch or Talon
cerulean oriole
The same question is valid for Symmetra as well. She doesn't have anything to do with Overwatch nor Talon or anyone. She was with Vishkar
cunning ledge
@raw willow he doesn’t
For the reasons you’ve listed
Lúcio and symmetra can be tangentially related by vishkar-> Sanjay -> talon
D.Va is the only hero with no possible connections
cerulean oriole
What about the Junkers?
raw willow
Theyre just criminals that wanna destroy stuff
And well they gots a bounty on their head which McCree is after
iron plume
Mccree is not after their bounty, in game interactions aren’t canon
cerulean oriole
Yeah but why did they end up "joining" Overwatch ?
cunning ledge
Junkers -> Junkertown -> Hammond -> Winston -> Overwatch
iron plume
They’re there because they’re notable characters in that world
cunning ledge
@cerulean oriole they didn’t?
iron plume
that doesn’t mean they’re connected
They are now through hammond in a roundabout way, but that’s not a requirement
cerulean oriole
Okay, perfect 👌
cerulean oriole
Apparently after he was champion and I guess...king(?) He went for other adventures ....???
I guess?
iron plume
he wasn’t king of JT
cunning ledge
The queen has always been the queen as far as we know
cerulean oriole
Yeah, but in the origin you see the queen holding the crown and I guess giving it to hammond (?)
cunning ledge
That’s for being the mech arena champion
cerulean oriole
Oh okay
cunning ledge
Arena champion doesn’t equal junkertown leadership
cerulean oriole
People kept assuming he became king because they saw the crown
cunning ledge
Although it was kind of implied it did before Hammond lore
worthy rose
S76 is placed into the game as a homage to Chris Metzen (as he was leaving blizz)
cerulean oriole
Nice
regal coyote
closst would be ...D.Va > Movie Star > Jack probably watches tv
pure kernel
Eww
frosty shell
List of maps with which heroes have been to them in-lore:
Hanamura-Genji, Hanzo, Zarya (Searching), McCree (stopped a robbery at Rikimaru), D.Va? (presumably, scheduled to appear according to poster), Junkrat & Roadhog?? (seen robbing a Japanese arcade, may be the one in Hanamura [possibly Mercy to save Genji?]
Horizon Lunar Colony- Winston, Wrecking Ball/Hammond
Temple of Anubis- Pharah, [Ana refers to being "back home"]
Volskaya Industries- Sombra, Widowmaker, Reaper (Infiltration), Zarya? (never actually seen in a visitable location, but has been to Katya's office), Ana? (says she's on the watchlist, but that could mean all of Russia)
Dorado (not counting Castillo)- Soldier: 76 (Hero), Sombra, Junkrat & Roadhog (robbing a bank), Zarya (Searching)
Junkertown- Junkrat, Roadhog, Wrecking Ball/Hammond
Rialto- Reaper, McCree, Genji, Moira (Retribution), Widowmaker??, Doomfist??, Sombra?? (Masquerade)
Route 66-McCree, Reaper (where he "picked up the damn ingrate")
Watchpoint: Gibraltar-Winston, Reaper (Recall), Tracer (Reflections), Reinhardt, Genji, Soldier: 76, Ana (have voice lines about being stationed there) [Sombra has a quote about "not having to hack into it" anymore]
Blizzard World- Sombra??, D.Va??, Junkrat??, Soldier: 76?? (if the skee ball scoreboard is canon)
[Tracer, Bastion, Torbjörn, and Winston wanted to go there in the trailer]
Eichenwalde- Reinhardt, Brigitte (Honor & Glory)
Hollywood [Reyes is from Los Angeles]
King's Row-Tracer, Reinhardt, Mercy, Torbjorn, McCree (Uprising), Zarya (Searching), Widowmaker (Alive), Junkrat & Roadhog (A Moment in Crime)
Numbani-Orisa, Doomfist, Tracer? (We Are Overwatch trailer), Lúcio? (signs for a Lúcio concert used to be there)
Ilios-(nothing, but connected to archaeologists)
Lijiang Tower- Zarya (Searching), [Mei says she's glad to be back home when she's there]
Nepal- Zenyatta, Genji
Oasis- Moira
Ayutthaya-(nothing, but connected to archaeologists)
Black Forest- nothing, but it's near where Bastion was
Castillo- Sombra, McCree (Reflections), Junkrat & Roadhog (planning bank robbery)
Château Guillard- Widowmaker
Ecopoint: Antarctica- Mei
Necropolis-Ana, Soldier: 76
Petra-(nothing, but connected to archaeologists)
Tell me if I missed anything\
cerulean oriole
I think Reaper in Gibraltar as well.
autumn lynx
It's in there
fringe blade
So where do you guys think the next map might be set?
cerulean oriole
I don't know, maybe another planet 😂😂
cerulean oriole
or Canada?
fringe blade
Okay
Wait
look
Cut maps
Amazon
Berlin
Cairo
Galapagos
India
Iron Star
Kyoto Temple
London
San Joaquin
The Bayou
The Iris
cerulean oriole
A lot of places apparently
fringe blade
Berlin, London and The Iris are out, since they have been made into Black Forest, King's Row and Nepal (probably?)
Kyoto Temple is Hanamura
Galapagos might be cool
Like a tropical island
cerulean oriole
Yeah
If I'm not wrong, it could be like an underwater map
It would be really cool
fringe blade
Yea, maybe with lowered gravity?
What do you think about a tropical island-ish map?
limpid agate
@frosty shell
Winston, Genji, Tracer (Doomfist fight)
This was not in Numbani, the background implied it was China.
potent falcon
dASDasd
regal coyote
@limpid agate china maybe, but maybe also japan, due to wording.
frosty shell
I can't find anything which rules in favor of it being in a certain place
I could only see one Chinese sign, and that was the one for Lucheng Interstellar
Most signs were in English
The architecture doesn't resemble the map we're on, but it could be a different part of Numbani
(But a different part is not our map, so I guess I'll change it)
The background is pretty consistent with the Overwatch lore, so this suggests the animators knew what they were doing
quasi siren
I would like a map of Lucio favela and the light city in brazil
Maybe a payload or deathmatch map?
regal coyote
Lucheng Interstellar seems to be an international company. And in japanese Kenji it would have read the sam
we still would need more info on that doomfist vs winston fight
lean silo
It looked like Numbani to me, but I should watch it again
peak escarp
Re: the Doomfist fight, I think someone went through every frame and concluded that based on the languages on the signs, it's probably in Malaysia
frosty shell
OK, interesting theory
Would explain the skyscrapers, Malaysia has a lot of those (although in the future, everywhere has skyscrapers)
How canon is Blizzard World, I wonder?
cunning ledge
It exists as a place
But most of the overwatch Easter eggs and interactions are non canon
limpid agate
@frosty shell This is why its not Numbani
limpid agate
Read the text under it
frosty shell
still like the malaysia theory
limpid agate
Could be
That sign says -----s house
Then you have Happy Squid
And as you said, Lucheng
Also Axiom is pictured, but Axiom is another international brand
So the setting is
Generic asian territory
Also worth mentioning, the Summer Games brand exists here too
frosty shell
Yes, I noticed that
But there's no confirmation it's Asian
Even if that's the most likely option
limpid agate
Stad(ium) of an unknown name
Wherever it is
Its not Numbani
Its either a city in Asia
Or an asian city in a non-asian country
frosty shell
What makes it so sure to be Asian? English is the main language on the signs
limpid agate
Could be somewhere like Singapore
frosty shell
Yes
limpid agate
There is heavy Asian influence in the background
But the main language is English
So it could be an English speaking Asian country, or it could be an Asian speaking city in an English Speaking country
Either way, it aint Numbani
The national musem leans it to be the former, though
Rather than the latter
Theres a chance that it is an Asian speaking city in an English Speaking country
But its more likely that the National Museum is part of an English speaking Asian country
frosty shell
The number of background signs matching brands from other places in Overwatch means the Overwatch team must've given very specific instructions to the animators
frosty shell
Probably
limpid agate
Madarin is their third
English is their first
And those are the three on the Museum
That is the most likely Candidate
limpid agate
👍
valid shell
Honestly, I doubt Wolf Smoke Studio put much thought into it.
Considering Tracer and Genji are in their post-Overwatch outfits, and Doomfist looks identical to post-breakout.
dire timber
Hah, I was gonna say this
That the animators were told to base the city on Singapore
worthy rose
Are you sure it wasnt numbani?
It could just be a part of the city that isnt shown ingame
cunning ledge
it's definitely not
full sky
do you think Blizzard is prepping for the whole faction thing at blizzcon
with junkertown being a faction so its part of the reason why hammond is in junkertown
cunning ledge
I haven't seen any legitimate evidence for that
I'm pretty sure Hammond isn't even in Junkertown any more
he's off doing his own stuff
autumn lynx
Yeah, Hammond went free roam and now doesn't really live anywhere.
iron plume
I think it stems from that stupid poll
cunning ledge
The theory existed before the poll
But yes it’s an inane theory
The junkers is literally two people how could it be a faction
iron plume
and Blackwatch doesn't exist anymore
valid shell
It doesn't help when youtubers propagate that the OW plot is Overwatch vs. Blackwatch.
worthy rose
Would you guys of prefered that wrecking ball would be his own thing? Or do you like him with hammond?
cunning ledge
Well
weary copper
There should be just 3 factions in my opinion
cunning ledge
As far as I can tell his “wrecking ball” days are over
weary copper
Overwatch, Talon and Solo
cunning ledge
He’s left junkertown
Unless he’s kept the name then it’s a bit odd that it’s the hero name
valid shell
Rather, it's Overwatch, ex. Overwatch, Talon, and solo.
regal coyote
well it is like superhero comics
So you get the overatch (versions) and the Talon (mybe versions, probably not)
and then you get good and bad solo people
stuff like junker duo is a pair of solo trouble makers
hammond is probably friendly solo people that helps from time to time
worthy rose
dang, karahe got famous here
I've just read a localized article about her barcode post
iron plume
also, "his"
worthy rose
Hanzo and Genji should have a skin where their weapons have dragon lore skin.
And it fits this channel because lore c:
cunning ledge
serious lore discussion here please
worthy rose
mkaysry
hearty ravine
Unleash the dragon
valid shell
@hearty ravine ?
golden urchin
canon dva goes to school
valid shell
@golden urchin Probably.
valid shell
@golden urchin Where?
golden urchin
heroes of the storm
worthy rose
hots is not canon
golden urchin
i mean i don't think she would say "Can we finish this up? I have a test tomorrow I have to study for." for nothing.
ik its not canon
but still
untold ingot
Yeah
hearty ravine
@valid shell oh I was saying unleash the dragon from the hanzo and genji youtube video
worthy rose
I want an overwatch the movie
limpid agate
@eager pond Dont spam emotes
eager pond
no no no I was copying em
dont delete :(
these are the last 2
sorry for annoying u
:9
short scaffold
@lost moon No server invites
lost moon
Ok sorry
worthy rose
How come, in gameplay, they refer to them as wreckingball instead of hammon?
Cause hes a wrecking ball
You dont go around calling dva "meka"
regal coyote
more like, other than winson no one knows of hammond's real name, so calling him by his name wracking ball
cunning ledge
in gameplay they call him wrecking ball because that's the name of the hero?
cunning ledge
like how every other interaction uses hero names apart from when it's relevant to use more personal names
regal coyote
RL though, it is a shit name, unless you are some pop star fan of which you probably should drink bleach anyways :)
cunning ledge
so what you're asking is
why is he referred to as wrecking ball
and the answer is that most people know him as wrecking ball
and very few know him as hammond
worthy rose
Seriously?
regal coyote
actually supersuper you are probably wrong... NO ONE probably known him as hammond
hammond unlikely tell that to msot people that he is a giant hamster
so we dont know if he tells the old junker his name, and winston is not human
worthy rose
I mean why did the devs decide to call the character wrecking ball in the select screen
And not hammond
regal coyote
bruce is a maybe, junker queen. knowing how smart hammond is he may just give him another name
valid shell
Why did they call Mako "Roadhog"?
regal coyote
ans srsly junkerqueen wont care either way as long as hammond is not an omnic
cunning ledge
why did they call angela zeigler "mercy"?
weary copper
and Jamie Junkrat
cunning ledge
wrecking ball is a stage name
regal coyote
Well, I DO THINK it is better if the dumbfuck dev mke a name shorter and easier to pronounce than wrackngball
worthy rose
He isnt called wrecking ball himself
cunning ledge
not the name of the actual machine
regal coyote
it is sucky to do in callout
valid shell
Yes he is.
regal coyote
so people going to use hamster anyways as call out
worthy rose
No the mech is called wrecking ball
regal coyote
just like asians would use monkey as callout
cunning ledge
this is such a non argument i don't know how this has managed to continune
valid shell
Hammond and his mech are the gladiator known as Wrecking Ball.
regal coyote
but yes i do side with the devs to use a mech name as hammond's name on screen, though probably not a shit name like wrackingball
armordildo si a better name if asking
valid shell
Like, Gravedigger isn't the name of just the monster truck.
regal coyote
armordillo or how ever yous pell that word
thanks binge for explaining, good way to say it
but i prefer easier name... even things like "wracka" is a better name
I mean sure "zenyatta" is hard to pronounce in call out, but it is easy to have consensus to call him "zen"
i guess eventually we call it "hamster"
regal coyote
probably a feat for you to go dumber than already are.
srsly half the time we being super dumb and silly here, for one reason or another
worthy rose
who is bruce?
cunning ledge
Roadhog gets his hogdrogen from him and in the origins video Hammond is seen building the mech inside the Wreckyard
regal coyote
not sure if he is hog's only source of hogtrogen.
but bruce is at least 2 of the people who can make it
the other one being hog himself who mix up the cocktail in the first place and have a machine for that at his home.
i guess more than roadhog woul d use hogtrogen then?
worthy rose
it's hogdrogen
So a guy called roadhog wears a specialised pig mask to inhale hogdrogen
Is that a coincidence?
valid shell
Dude has a theme.
limpid agate
Counteracts the effects of radiation
cunning ledge
^
worthy rose
it heals him and reduces the rad effects
cunning ledge
it healing him is probably just the gameplay representation of it counteracting the radiation
regal coyote
so my guesss is since people are mking it Hog would actually counter red for other people too?
so it is actually a product in junkertown rather than a roadhog special
also, note the high regard of junkerqueen from roadhug, makes me wonder what she did back in the days
rough quartz
Ayy you guys, what happened in the lore after the Talon Volskaya attack? Do we have any info on sombras plans?
valid shell
@rough quartz Sombra might not have any plans for Volskaya, she might just want her in her pocket for emergencies.
rough quartz
@valid shell wow thats anticlimactic, isnt there any progress in lore on that in 2 years? With Zarya or sth?
valid shell
@rough quartz Read Searching.
novel quarry
Do you guys think Winston has any romantic feelings for the human characters of overwatch?
limpid agate
No
novel quarry
Everytime I hear Mei say she likes his glasses, I wonder
rigid kettle
damn why them characters so thicc🤔 👌 💦 💦 💦
limpid agate
@rigid kettle Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
rigid kettle
Im asking a question
novel quarry
What makes you say no, Jewvia?
limpid agate
Theres nothing to suggest he does.
novel quarry
I felt like romance between him and mei was blooming
limpid agate
He spends all his time by himself or with Athena, and his best friend is Tracer. Past that, he doesnt have much meaningful interaction with anyone except maybe Mei, and thats just because they are both Overwatch scientists.
There is no romance
novel quarry
who's to say romance can't bloom in the workplace?
limpid agate
This isnt a shipping channel
Theres nothing to suggest there is any romance between the two
limpid agate
Speculation is allowed
Shipping is not.
There is no solid foundation to 99% of ships
The only ships that do have relevance here are:
Torbjorn and Ingrid
Tracer and Emily
Widowmaker and Gerard
Ana and Sam
And of those, Gerard is dead and Sam thinks Ana is dead.
novel quarry
Wait
What about rein and ana? Are they not a thing?
limpid agate
Why would they be
novel quarry
Remember that voiceline where Rein says she looks as lovely as ever?
limpid agate
Remember that voiceline where Ana calls McCree a charmer, or says Jack looks good
novel quarry
And they're both older
limpid agate
Ana had a kid with Sam.
That kid is Pharah.
That is all there is to suggest relationships.
She never even speaks of "her husband" or "her ex" or "her boyfriend". We dont know what Sam was to her. We just know they had a kid.
And thats as far as you get into Ana's relationship status
Trying to speculate which members of Overwatch she got busy with, if any, is just shipping. This is not a shipping channel.
regal coyote
have to say, winston having romanti with any human is fucking disguesting
it is things people should be opening exxecuted like a slaughtered cow for... no animal fuckers please.
That said, i feel sorry for the big guy, maybe there would be an omnic for him to love?
novel quarry
That's fair @limpid agate
I wasn't thinking of it like that, but I guess you're right
I also wasn't thinking about winston fucking or anything
regal coyote
jewvia is part right
but at least we can msotly be sure that at one point in time there was an Ana-Sam ship, resulting in Pharah
Blizz wont dare just drop these two in a drunken barn dance
there was suggestion/hint that gabe may have/had a family, or someone he loved
frosty shell
Maybe a Mei-Winston comic where they fight gorilla poachers could be cool
regal coyote
though not sure if it is a lover or a close family
no hint on it being realted to overwatch
novel quarry
Are you saying Reaper could be Pharah's father?
limpid agate
No
Not a chance
Pharah was born before Overwatch was founded
Before Ana met literally anyone else in the cast
Ana probably hasnt ever been with anyone in Overwatch
novel quarry
wait
Are you sure?
limpid agate
Pharah is 32
The Omnic Crisis started ~30 years ago
Overwatch was made 30 years ago
novel quarry
maybe I'm getting my lore mixed up then
but i thought for sure that like
Wasn't pharah a huge fan of overwatch?
limpid agate
Of course
She was raised by her mom, surrounded by heroes
That doesnt mean one of them is her dad.
Look at Timmy from the cinematic trailer.
He loves Overwatch
And his parents are probably normal people
Or Alejandra, same story
Big fan
Just some baker's girl
novel quarry
wait
you mean the girl from the soldier trailer?
novel quarry
Is that not sombra?
novel quarry
Well I mean
she obviously grew up and changed a little bit for her talon incarnation
limpid agate
Soldier 76 didnt exist 20 years ago
cunning ledge
that doesn't excuse the time travel
novel quarry
Like, doesn't the game of overwatch kind of take place outside of the canon?
limpid agate
Soldier 76 is specifically Jack Morrison after the world thought "Jack Morrison" died
Gameplay isnt canon
Thats all
novel quarry
I thought soldier was just really old, and was alive for so long because of his super soldier powers
limpid agate
That just means that Junkrat and his 5 twin brothers teaming up against Lucio, Symmetra, Widowmaker, Ana, Orisa, and Doomfist isn't canon
He's 50
Or more like 56
Somewhere in that range
weary copper
I have a question
novel quarry
I though he was at least 76 years old
that's what I thought they were going for with his name
weary copper
Isnt Genji X Mercy a thing?
limpid agate
No
weary copper
with the box of chocolates and everything
limpid agate
Line was never in game
cunning ledge
those lines were never in the actual game, yeah
weary copper
oh
novel quarry
interesting...
I thought I knew so much about the overwatch lore, and it was all wrong
I read the comics and stuff whenever they come out
and I listen to youtube videos with all the voice lines
limpid agate
Yeah