One thing to mention is
#lore-discussion
frosty shell
Which is HotS, by the way
dire timber
I know
limpid agate
Reinhardt would be a baby in the present
worthy rose
i mean dva is what, a starcraft pro?
frosty shell
But I doubt there's many streamers older than 30
dire timber
@worthy rose not specifically, actually
iron plume
it's kind of iffy
worthy rose
oh is it just implied?
frosty shell
She's actually a game-that's-not-Starcraft-but-helps-her-pilot-the-mech pro
iron plume
we know she plays
dire timber
she plays Starcraft, but it's not the game that made her famous
iron plume
and we also know Sc is not why she's in meka
worthy rose
oh ok so shes famous for games but starcraft is just a game she plays
dire timber
she's a Starcraft player, but not a Starcraft pro
dire timber
hm, I guess
iron plume
just that she's more famous for something else
worthy rose
inb4 osu
iron plume
well presumably it's a game that's closer to meka controls
since they recruited her from that
worthy rose
ah so like mech warrior or some overwatch lore equivalent
iron plume
we don't know for sure tho
dire timber
by the way
@worthy rose there's nothing to indicate that D.va ever had anything whatsoever to do with Junkertown
iron plume
it is
worthy rose
like a non canon skin
dire timber
yeah, but skins aren't indicative of anything
iron plume
they're not indicative but they may serve as hints
dire timber
Torbjorn has Deadlock Gang skins
dire timber
Pharah's and Reaper's hint at their cultural background, true
worthy rose
mercy in the viking one
dire timber
yeep
worthy rose
Somehow, Starcraft is still well-known in the future.
iron plume
Mercy isn't from anything nordic tho
worthy rose
i mean how old is starcraft and its still a popular esport
iron plume
plus like
worthy rose
how old is baseball/football and its still a popular sport to play
dire timber
yea, it's an example of a completely irrelevant skin
iron plume
Blizzard is such a big deal that they have a theme park
they probably released a new SC at some point
iron plume
wouldn't it be a disney park with a blizz section then tho
dire timber
Idk
worthy rose
hopefully they do so they can make damn animated shorts
valid shell
I feel like Blizzard doesn't want to be obligated to release this hypothetical "Starcraft 3".
dire timber
Starcraft 3 definitely happened in the world of Overwatch, though
like, it's been 60 years
they're probably on Starcraft 5
peak escarp
Mercy's viking skins are a reference to her Valkyrie suit - the valkyries were the ones who escorted slain heroes to valhalla
iron plume
maybe it's like a sc2 renaissance tho
worthy rose
they could pull the WoW thing and say its the same game with updates and packs
iron plume
but yeah I feel like being vague about it is the point
worthy rose
and that makes sense regarding the suit
valid shell
I wonder if Blizzard could allow themselves to make D.Va's championship game something NOT by 2076's Blizzard Entertainment.
iron plume
that's actually an interesting point
valid shell
I doubt it.
iron plume
BW doesn't have anything that's not already a thing IRL
valid shell
It's explicitly as video game.
worthy rose
memes aside thats a good point
valid shell
It's likely some kind of twinstick FPS.
With??????? RTS elements??????????
Since she makes so many RTS references.
iron plume
APM bruh
peak escarp
probably an arcade game
worthy rose
16 bit hero
iron plume
I mean her references could just be because she started in Sc
peak escarp
16 Bit Hero is the arcade on Hanamura
iron plume
since Chu said her dad played it and whatever
worthy rose
64 bit hero
worthy rose
also i thought that chu was not to be listened to
iron plume
d.va lore need fixing
dire timber
??
iron plume
nah
peak escarp
Chu is the final say on lore
worthy rose
something about brigs age not matching up
iron plume
Chu has faults but he's still the prime god word on OW lore
worthy rose
unless im remembering the wrong person
dire timber
he's literally the only person in Blizzard staff who actually knows the lore
even Jeff doesn't
iron plume
like even if he doesn't make any fucking sense his word is law
peak escarp
if Chu says one thing and Jeff says another, you trust Chu
dire timber
^
worthy rose
ok then im remembering wrong
iron plume
and despite the memes he rarely makes no sense
peak escarp
people just rag on him because "common misconception" became a meme
iron plume
it's not just that tho
worthy rose
i do remember someone saying like the biggest hole is how brig and mercy (?) knew each other as kids or something
peak escarp
he's also a bit of a troll
iron plume
so he gets all the shit for it
dire timber
Sam made me angry
worthy rose
(i play the game for money mostly so idk all the lore, just assume im remembering wrong)
iron plume
Ray lol
dire timber
it was one of these weird vague 3 letter names
iron plume
Flo lol
peak escarp
the smug look on his face at the panel when he said "Oh, you mean Sam?"
dire timber
what's with 3 letter names in fiction
Ray, Fio, Sam
something recently in Star Wars
iron plume
Chu
worthy rose
?? this is the first ive heard of the 3 letter name issue
dire timber
I see it happen a lot as of late
iron plume
all of Chu's throwaway names are three letters
peak escarp
it's gotta be something short and catchy
iron plume
like there's names we know from comics and the game and whatever
iron plume
and there's names we only know from people asking Chu on twitter
dire timber
4-6 letter names are balanced
iron plume
the latter kind is all three-letter long
dire timber
3 letter names are good in moderation
dire timber
Ray is complete bullshit in particular
iron plume
"Who's Pharah's father"
Sam
worthy rose
well that sounds... odd
iron plume
well the thing is
that's all basically irrelevant
and people give him shit for ony answering irrelevant Qs
but if it's anything actually important, they either want to think on it more or want to not give it away
dire timber
Sam is firm canon now, too, it got included in-game
worthy rose
i assume to hide it for future leaks and such
iron plume
so most of his Q&As are stupid shit like that
dire timber
I still hope that it's a short for a longer name
iron plume
like what's Brigitte's favorite ice cream or whatever is
although even with that in mind, "why did Rein call her that"
"Because he liked the name"
pissed me off
iron plume
fair, but also like
peak escarp
"Where did Brigitte's name come from?" "Rein picked it."
peak escarp
Chu that's not what we meant and you know it
iron plume
like you don't have to pick the question
iron plume
you could answer something else about her favorite food or whatever
not like anything about that would be relevant to future lore
so you can make something up for whatever
dire timber
it wasn't a question asked by someone else?
valid shell
As something that resembles a writer, that shit pisses me off.
Passing up the opportunity to do some characterization or worldbuilding.
worthy rose
i mean im assuming he didnt want to try to come up with something on the spot
maybe they just didnt think of why rein chose the name so he would rather take time to come up with something and maybe sneakily place it in eichenwalde in an update
valid shell
Was it on the spot though?
valid shell
The article seemed like they were all meditated answers to the most popular questions in the Q&A.
iron plume
it wasn't like an interview, they filtered the questions
peak escarp
I choose to believe they have all these answers that we want, they've just decided not to give them to us
because they're trolls
iron plume
it's a good point for why he doesn't answer something like
actually relevant
because they want to present it in a controlled fashion, in a comic or an organized post
but like
peak escarp
it would be nice to get another AMA with Chu, so he can choose which questions to answer
iron plume
was "why rein named her that" really going to affect future lore
valid shell
Q: What treasure did Junkrat find in the ruins of the Omnium?
A: Something valuable!
iron plume
well the thing about that is
The treasure may actrually come up as something relevant
and they could want to keep that open
But the rein name thing is like
why
dire timber
I hate how we still know absolutely nothing about crucial historical events in the lore
peak escarp
even something as simple as "it was his mother's/sister's/aunt's name" or "it was the name of that female crusader in Honor and Glory"
iron plume
โ
dire timber
such as the Omnic Crisis or Overwatch HQ blast
cunning ledge
what I really hate is when we don't know significant things that in-universe most people/the public already know
peak escarp
or even "Reinhardt just liked the name", since we didn't actually get an answer to "why did Rein pick the name?"
valid shell
It's a little annoying that the same people who would care about a Brigitte lore Q&A probably already kept up with her teasers, including White Dome, but they still decided to just repeat what we already know instead of giving something new.
severe oxide
she's called Brigitte because they named her Brigitte is one of my favorite shitty OW lore memes
cunning ledge
of all shitty ow lore memes, it's one of the shittiest
severe oxide
alongisde common misconception and fully working cyborg ninja genitals
limpid agate
Im still a fan of quoting why First Strike was cancelled
But Im the only one who does that
severe oxide
what was the exact quote?
cunning ledge
I was going to say "wow if only there was a way to pay for lore" was kind of a meme
but you've kind of already done that for me
limpid agate
Its a specific contained story. If we go down this path, it really closes all these doors
severe oxide
the doors, right
limpid agate
The story in the player's heads is often even cooler than what we can deliver to them
brazen flare
will jetpack cat be next?
cunning ledge
queen seems most obvious for next hero
brazen flare
I wonder how many charecters till they say thats enough
severe oxide
remember when they made fun of the people working on cracking the ARG for getting fooled by the SkyCode, when the actual lore was a countdown that lead to some Lumerico documents about a coffee machine
cunning ledge
oh yeah that happened
anyway I think jetpack cat will never happen because really
three animal heroes?
there's no way that could happen
severe oxide
I honestly wouldn't be able to tell you what that arg was about
cunning ledge
hahahahaha
severe oxide
something like Lumerico bad
cunning ledge
yeah that's pretty much it
severe oxide
literally nothing came from it
severe oxide
every other sombra appearance in lore never mentioned it again
severe oxide
reinhardt was after bastion wasn't it
cunning ledge
yes
brazen flare
mei hasent got a proper cgi trailer
cunning ledge
Rise and Shine?
brazen flare
how have i never seen it
severe oxide
idk
cunning ledge
Rise and Shine: http://bit.ly/2xcMYoH
enjoy
just kidding don't it's horrible and a waste of a cinematic
brazen flare
Mei is one of the charecters i play best as
severe oxide
it's a waste of a cinematic but I wouldn't say it's horrible
brazen flare
They need to do more proper like story cinematics
severe oxide
we also got majorly confused
brazen flare
whats her name, irish lady
cunning ledge
two if you count "that one video is the actual real video winston sent out"
brazen flare
she needs one
severe oxide
since we saw her just like, walk out of anctartica
cunning ledge
Moira doesn't have a cinematic
brazen flare
she needs one
severe oxide
also the whole fucking pointless Snowball sacrifice
brazen flare
her story seems interesting
severe oxide
man that was idiotic
cunning ledge
But the origins videos are fairly consistent for lore
brazen flare
bastions one was amazing
cunning ledge
yeah I agree totally veex
brazen flare
and i loved reinhardts
severe oxide
yeah those were good
peak escarp
we learned:
- Mei was not found in cyrosleep, instead she woke up alone
- the names of her collegues
- Winston's message is the "Are You With Us?" video
- how/why Mei built her cryothermic blaster
- Mei answered the recall
cunning ledge
my top three cinematics starting with the best are Dragons, Honor and Glory, and The Last Bastion
brazen flare
mei deserved better than this tbh
severe oxide
I'm alone in this but I for me Hero was the one that left the biggest impact
cunning ledge
@peak escarp true
what I meant is we only learnt one thing 'moving forwards' in the story
that mei found the message and probably joined
brazen flare
wow, mai with her hair down is very cute and attractive, if i wass straight i would
cunning ledge
peak escarp
did we?
severe oxide
it's her legendary skin, the one wearing pajamas
@peak escarp they're written on their pods
limpid agate
Yup, they were in the map since Blizzcon 2016
cunning ledge
yeah, ecopoint map lore stuff
severe oxide
in anctartica
brazen flare
I have her bee outfit
peak escarp
well, we also got a picture of them, which we didn't have before
limpid agate
There you go
brazen flare
what happened to mais other colleagues tho i havent watche dthe whole thing yet but im fine with being spoiled
severe oxide
she did?
cunning ledge
I'd be very surprised if she didn't
peak escarp
she met with Winston, then went out to investigate other abandoned ecopoints
cunning ledge
@brazen flare just watch it?
peak escarp
according to her Journal
severe oxide
we knew what happened to them already. They ded
brazen flare
how did they die
limpid agate
We knew they died since Mei became playable
brazen flare
and she didnt
limpid agate
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cunning ledge
technology wasn't perfected
severe oxide
station lost power and only her pod survived
cunning ledge
also that
severe oxide
while the others malfunctioned
brazen flare
"Zenyatta/Lucio/D.Va" i agree that they really need some good sotry cinematics
moira too tho
severe oxide
moira can wait, since we already know a lot about her. Though her story is pretty key to the overall lore
brazen flare
who do we know the least about
limpid agate
DVa
severe oxide
dva zen lucio, pick one
it's debatable which one has the least lore, they're all pretty scarce
we knew 1 thing about Dva, and it ended up being a "common misconception"
valid shell
Zen's better off than the other two.
brazen flare
well hopefully the next one will be about one of them
valid shell
He's connected to the Overwatch protagonist and a major event in recent OW history.
severe oxide
again, it's debatable which one is better off, by whatever small margin
limpid agate
DVa has 1 paragraph
valid shell
How would you argue that the other two are better off than Zen?
severe oxide
zen will likely receive more lore because of his connection, yeah, but that connection is also the one that drags him down, since he's become just an appendage to genji
valid shell
Still a connection.
It's not really debatable. We're all unanimous that all three have been mistreated in lore, but they're still on different levels.
severe oxide
Lucio has the thing with his dad that was recently revealed, which is more added lore than zen has received since like ever
valid shell
It still just connects Lucio to a company that's already barely relevant to the story, and only through Sanjay, through Talon.
limpid agate
I would say Zen and Lucio are debatable of each other. Lucio and his dad exist, but are not relevant. Zen trained Genji's mind and was Shambali, but thats about it
But DVa is
Objectively
The worst off
brazen flare
what about high noon?
limpid agate
No ties to anyone, no reason to exist, 1 paragraph of lore
brazen flare
we dont know much about him
valid shell
@brazen flare ?
limpid agate
@brazen flare Thats just McCree focusing his shots
severe oxide
yeah Dva is literally just her debut info
brazen flare
I meant mcree
valid shell
Then say McCree.
brazen flare
i couldent remembe rhis name
severe oxide
actually, even less than her debut info, because of the common misconcenption
brazen flare
yea say a charecters name that i cnat remember when i can say his catchphrase which you should know
severe oxide
we don't know much about McCree's origin, but we know plenty about him since he joined overwatch, and have seen him in lots of lore material
brazen flare
Hes like a time peice, id love to understand more about why he is like he is
brazen flare
and neets who end up in mech suits
severe oxide
and DJs who fight evil corporations with sounds
brazen flare
I want to know how lucio got/made his weapon
severe oxide
and pikachu rolling around inside a big pokeball
his weapon was developed by his father, Vishkas stole his work, he stole the weapon back
valid shell
Did Vishkar steal his work?
severe oxide
it's what Lucio says
severe oxide
yeah but he implies he's the legitimate owner now
whatever the actual law
that's what he thinks
obtuse geyser
We know pretty much all there is to know about lucio tho
obtuse geyser
He is gonna have his concert
limpid agate
Did he even free Brazil from Vishkar's influence? The Luciboall map shows Vishkar still having a presence
Looks to me like he failed that
The arena itself not being canon is no reason for the map outside the arena to also not be canon
brazen flare
Of course he lived in a favela
peak escarp
in A Better World we saw that Vishkar's new Rio city center still got built
frosty shell
I like the one thing that Chu said about how the world is the protagonist of Overwatch
Also, Jeff made up Ray, not Chu
Two things I'm sure they have plans for are the family Reaper stalked and what Junkrat's treasure is
Because Jeff seems to know what's going on with them
Jeff has gotten lore facts wrong, but he'd never make something up without asking the writers
dire timber
Ray is definitely nothing but an inside joke
frosty shell
Yeah, he doesn't have any lore
However, I'm pretty sure Chu didn't make up Sam on the spot
He probably has a whole backstory for Pharah's father
Before Rise and Shine came out, my idea for a short would be one about the scientist's families/friends working to save them even after Overwatch shut down/gave up
But I'm fine with what happened
Although blizzileaks did spoil the plot 8 months ahead of time
Admittedly, I feel like I'm too willing to let things slide in the lore
The main problem with D.Va's lore is how hard it is to connect her to anyone else
peak escarp
She'd have to leave Korea and do something to interact with the other heroes
Or someone could come to her, but that seems less likely
fringe carbon
So if hammond is 14 does that mean hes currently going through puberty?
valid shell
Hamsters aren't humans.
peak escarp
A popular scenario is for Lucio to play a concert in Busan and DVa to show up when the show gets crashed by ______
valid shell
@fringe carbon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamster
fringe carbon
smh
peak escarp
They usually say Talon, but I can't think of why Talon would crash a Lucio concert
valid shell
Vishkar.
peak escarp
Vishkar seems more like a company that would take care of things quietly, not attack openly at a public event
Eh
valid shell
SK gets damaged by the most recent Kaiju attack and hires Vishkar to rebuild.
peak escarp
That would be an interesting scenario
That still keeps her with the other peripheral characters though
I want to see her join the main plotline
fringe carbon
so is vishkar like umbrella?
valid shell
@fringe carbon No.
heavy cloud
valid shell
@fringe carbon Vishkar isn't a pharmaceutical company.
And doesn't seem to develop any dangerous inventions or weapons.
valid shell
@fringe carbon https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Vishkar_Corporation
fringe carbon
u really like linking wikipedia shit dont u fam
valid shell
Easier than typing it out.
Feed a man a fish, teach a man to fish, that old proverb.
prisma wren
shitposting will result in loss of accsess
lean silo
access*
mini-modding is probably the most annoying thing to come across tbh
but honestly, I can't really see blizz taking an interesting in expanding lucio/dva lore beyond posters
white cobalt
Could sombra know about Hammond?
valid shell
@lean silo It's necessary when none of the mods give a fuck about this channel except for Jewvia.
lean silo
Do the mods give a fuck about any of the channels?
I only ever see them in gd except for Brave in the other 2 main channels on occasion
Generally there's not really a problem in the other two tbf
this one's a little more regulated
valid shell
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limpid agate
I'm not omniscient
If someone is shitposting, tell them no
@Cuyowski#0680 No one knows
Sombra knows things, but no one documented hammond is Wrecking Ball
Maybe Sherlock Holmes can deduce it, but sombra isnt sherlock. She only knows what she can hack
So it's very likely she doesn't
@white cobalt
white cobalt
Welp, time to wait some weeks to see if they release lore (comic) or until Blizzcon
limpid agate
Gamescom
low spruce
yo, um i just reallised something: is sombra a cyborg? I mean I got Cyborg: 76 a while ago and I heard a voice line change 'Cyborg: 76 online' and got me thinking. Doesn't Sombra consistently say that upon spawn? Or is that refering to her hacker nature?
limpid agate
No
Sombra is not a cyborg
Her "online" think is just because she's a hacker
She wears her computer, thats as close as you get @low spruce
valid shell
Depending on your definitions, Sombra might actually be a cyborg.
If any vertebrae are actually replaced, she's a cyborg.
empty holly
Oh hey guys
I just found something in the Collector's Edition Book
This is somewhat lore, but more so real life lore and how it relates to Overwatch
limpid agate
What is it
empty holly
A picture of Ana(?) fighting alongside a lot of the other Overwatch members
limpid agate
Which one
empty holly
On top of a mech, tearing away at it
limpid agate
I dont understand the problem
empty holly
In a Pre-Ana book
limpid agate
Ana was always a character
Just because she became a hero after the game came out
Doesnt mean she wasn't a character
We knew about Pharah's mom being a core member of Overwatch since Soldier 76 was revealed in July 2015
A year before launch, and her playable debut
empty holly
Yes but the fact that she was alongside all of the playable characters was another hint at her being in the game
There are other photos that do similar
Well, one other
limpid agate
Ana was in a lot of photos
But most people chose to ignore that and demand Sombra first
Or worse
Assumed Ana was Sombra
empty holly
To be fair
Remember that clue
There was a photo of seemingly Ana with the text "Who is Sombra?"
empty holly
Seemingly Ana
limpid agate
We only thought it looked like Ana after Ana came out
empty holly
At the time
empty holly
However it was safe to assume that her appearance would be different
limpid agate
Sure
But it was not safe to assume
Her appearnce would match a newspaper about a mexican ally of Reaper's
All the stuff we had about Ana was
Overwatch sniper with thin long legs
Not hunched over sniper with a long cape
Also the beret
empty holly
And
Multiple new heroes were confirmed by that point, so it wouldn't be fair to assume just the 1 addition
limpid agate
What
empty holly
This would normally be annoying to look through, but this NeoGaf article was the source for the "Sombra" Ana Theory
In it, they compiled a lot of the evidence they thought supported their theory
One was that Blizzard had been testing multiple new heroes
limpid agate
1.) Blizzard has said they're currently testing two new heroes, and implied they're either a Support and a Tank or two Supports.
empty holly
Yep
limpid agate
It was not implied. Also, this is what kicked us into the whole 2 heroes are worked on at all times mindset
That they have been consistent with
Plus, before that
Genji/DVa/Mei made them say
Mutli-hero launches will never happen again
2.) The map this short takes place on is Dorado. This gives us our first clue. Way back in November, people noticed that there's a table in Dorado with files for Soldier 76/Jack Morrison and Sombra. Given Soldier 76 is Jack Morrison, this only leaves the mysterious Sombra file, which would fit with a Soldier 76 vs. Sombra animated short.
This was about something lost in translation, with people thinking Hero would unveil a new hero
``` Completely wrongAnd invalid assumptions
limpid agate
And what they thought
Was based on invalid assumption
At the time
There was nothing suggesting the two were linked
And also
There was nothing on Route 66
empty holly
Exactly
limpid agate
Which they explicitly stated
4.) Reaper has a dialog line that says "Where is Sombra when you need her?" This implies she's a field agent and presumably a villain, something the game is rather low on (there are only five right now between Reaper, Widowmaker, Junkrat, Roadhog, and Symmetra).
This was true.
5.) In the first GameSpot Overwatch video, there's a sniper scope with a similar symbol to the one on Sombra's mask.
Sombra's mask is the same invalid assumption
empty holly
Yep
limpid agate
This just told us support sniper
7.) And today, Blizzard put up a teaser for their Soldier 76 video saying it takes place on Dorado, and someone who is very plausibly Sombra is in the teaser image.
That was a window, not a person
8.) Some people seem to think that Sombra is Pharah's mother given she has some similar clothing elements like the jacket collar and is also a sniper. Pharah's mother is supposed to have died at some point in the past, but Jack Morrison (Soldier 76) and Gabriel Reyes (Reaper) were also supposed to have died in Overwatch's civil war, so it's entirely plausible she """died""" in the same event. It's worth noting that Reaper wears his exact same old outfit, but with a black trench coat and mask added, and it's very Blizzard like to use the exact same plot gimmick on three separate characters, so this isn't an entirely implausible theory. I've included an image of the old Overwatch group below if you want to make comparisons.
This entire theory is based on the misplaced idea that Sombra (A hero who only had 2 mentions, both in Dorado) was the same character as the one with the mask found on Temple of Anubis (Which was a mask with a sniper scope)
There were two parties
The ones who genuinely believed both of these were the same character and couldnt justify it
And the ones who said there was nothing to say they're the same, Sombra is Sombra and Ana is Ana
There was nothing suggesting the two were the same
Just a crack theory
Like Mercy rezzing Reaper
Doomfist monkey
Etc
empty holly
Hammond monkey
limpid agate
Yes
Thats another
People were adamant "Hammond is a monkey, Hammond is a chimp, he cant be anything else. Small harmless specimen? What are you talking about, chimpanzees dont rip peoples faces off"
limpid agate
People are quick to make baseless assumptions
empty holly
Hammond is evil
limpid agate
Yes, there were too many things people assumed
With no reason
And then feel cheated when their baseless assumption is wrong.
empty holly
E3 is a great example
limpid agate
There was nothing to suggest Hammond was a monkey other than the other animals being monkeys. There was more to suggest he isnt. Ive talked about that too much and hoped I was done with it
Mercy rezzing Reaper
Is the biggest clusterfuck this server has ever seen
For years, people kept coming in here
Saying that
limpid agate
๐คท I blame clickbait Youtubers.
People dont like to read for themselves
And most Overwatch youtubers
Dont know what they are talking about
And say stuff that makes no sense like it is 100% fact.
peak escarp
My assumption wasn't baseless, I just got too hyperfocused on one thing and ignored all the other signs
which is probably just as bad as making incorrect assumptions and running with them
limpid agate
That baseless thing was more about
Mercy Reaper/Ana Sombra/Doomfist Monkey
Hammond being a monkey just had minimum base
empty holly
The idea that the Sombra ARG would have a satisfying ending
limpid agate
It was expected to be a lore dump since the start
And it was
By the time we got the countdown that ended by October
We knew it would just be a Blizzcon release
peak escarp
people thought Doomfist would be a monkey?
limpid agate
Unironically
short scaffold
@peak escarp please
valid shell
@peak escarp https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/006/196/583/large/burak-cinar-story.jpg?1496736754
^ This picture fueled a lot of HAMMOND = CHIMP CONFIRMED????? sensationalism.
peak escarp
first of all, the grammar in that write-up hurt my brain
empty holly
They took his home, he took the fist that can reverse it.
peak escarp
there's so much wrong there I don't even know where to start
empty holly
Hammond searched the city, saw big posters about famous Doomfist.
valid shell
You don't have to start anywhere.
empty holly
It's just...there
valid shell
Hammond's a hamster, Doomfist is a human, no need to talk about it.
empty holly
G-Force
valid shell
@empty holly https://niceme.me
empty holly
Alright guys I know who the next hero is
The Junker Town Queen is actually
A gerbil
white cobalt
...
empty holly
In a pyramid
white cobalt
Hope you're not shitposting
empty holly
I actually am interested in seeing what they'd do
But I think she might just stick with being a lure character
valid shell
I don't expect her ever being playable.
white cobalt
JunkerQueen is a strong contender but I prefer we don't have a 4th junker lore
empty holly
The thing is
valid shell
Still, that would be 4 of the heroes with their roots in a single city.
empty holly
Hammond is more of a moonbaser
valid shell
That's way too busy.
limpid agate
Im still expecting Queen 29
empty holly
Eh
limpid agate
Unless someone pops up at Gamescom
empty holly
I don't want it
valid shell
I don't think they're going to chain her back-to-back with Hammond.
limpid agate
But I expected him
valid shell
I'm glad that they committed to the facts the teased a year ago and didn't just make him a chimp.
white cobalt
I'll be happy if they gave us a hero from Ayutthaya
empty holly
Ooh
white cobalt
Or related to
limpid agate
Related to, we have Hamid Faisal
empty holly
Could be nice
valid shell
I'd like Greek, Thai, and Iraqi heroes.
limpid agate
An Oasis tied archeologist, who knows of digsites at Ilios, Ayutthaya, and Petra.
valid shell
I probably missed one.
limpid agate
Jordan and Italian
valid shell
Italian, yeah.
empty holly
I doubt he would be a hero
valid shell
Why not?
empty holly
I guess you never know
valid shell
Well, yeah.
None of us work at Blizzard, so we don't know.
But why do you think he's not eligible?
limpid agate
Why wouldnt he be a hero eventually
valid shell
We have a DJ, a climatologist, an architect, and a hamster.
limpid agate
His teaser was dropped just like Hammond was with HLC
Queen with Junkertown
Sombra with Dorado
Etc
Assuming QUeen becomes 29
empty holly
It's the signature that makes it more likely
limpid agate
THe what
valid shell
I'll never understand why people think non-combative characters like Maximilien and Hamid can't be heroes.
empty holly
The fact that a name is assigned
limpid agate
Hamid could easily be a combatant
empty holly
Makes it more likely
empty holly
I would love to see an Archaeologist
empty holly
You can never have too many scientists
white cobalt
Who knows
valid shell
I doubt he'll have a hat and revolver.
limpid agate
Lara Croft also comes to mind
valid shell
That niche is kind of taken.
white cobalt
I don't mind having scientist in game
empty holly
More like whip(?)
white cobalt
Moira, Angela, Mei, Winston, Hammond
valid shell
We already have Mei, Winston, Moira, Mercy, and more scientists I'm probably forgetting.
Hammond isn't a scientist.
empty holly
Hammond is an engineer
valid shell
He's an engineer, closer to Torbjorn or Brigitte.
valid shell
Oh, Junkrat too.
empty holly
Also a free will
valid shell
Can't forget him.
white cobalt
Could you consider Mako a scientist? Because hogdrogen?
peak escarp
the only science we've seen Winston do has been engineering too
limpid agate
@peak escarp Also solving time travel
valid shell
It's not like the two are mutually exclusive.
empty holly
Yeah but he's an engineering scientist
valid shell
Mei has done some engineering in Rise & Shine, that doesn't revoke her PHD.
empty holly
Mei is a research scientist
peak escarp
and Winston is probably self-taught too
empty holly
Who becomes a public informant after getting out
Winston is an engineering scientist
peak escarp
I don't imagine many universities will give accreditation to genetically engineered gorillas
empty holly
But he also does research
Online degrees
With his buttery smooth voice, he can pass as human through voice chats
peak escarp
makes sense
empty holly
But probably he learned from Winston
Remember that he made the rocket to go to Earth
Which means he had a good bit of knowledge beforehand
regal coyote
we need a pat + owner duo as a hero
empty holly
Mako + Bruce
regal coyote
may work well as an archiologist with whip + falcon
empty holly
Done
regal coyote
i can accept soemthing liek a starlord + Blue though
regal coyote
also love to see both the cowboy and the archaeologist comparing hats
also the eagle has to be a falcon, scruffy white one
regal coyote
acually rather easy
empty holly
Let's hear
regal coyote
since one featur would be to command the feature to attack a target
another would obviously be a buff to the eagle
then give it a mid range gun, and a small cc
empty holly
I would honestly prefer a summoner class architect
regal coyote
well in a way this is similar to a summone
empty holly
Resurrecting creatures to fight on his behalf
regal coyote
your eagle dies? it respawns after coodeown
empty holly
Go Magical Leoplauridon, I choose you!
empty holly
No I meant
regal coyote
if not a certan someone making light constructs monsters
empty holly
Archeologist
Typoes
A summoner class archeologist
With a resource system instead of cooldowns
But the Indy is more likely
Given that they are excavating ruins, not bones
quasi schooner
I know this isnโt strictly lore, but no one in the actual channel will talk to me. When is Hammond out of ptr?
dapper egret
Turrets are absolutely the closest we're getting to a summoner class
void ferry
Everyone is saying that sombras getting a new summer game skin after the ptr invisibility gun thing
versed flame
do you think reaper is into widow
cunning ledge
unless you want to talk about how Sombra is in fact mexican
@versed flame I don't think Reaper is into much apart from general feelings of hate, vengence, pain, etc
there's no reason to believe he would be "into widow"
versed flame
Hmmm ok
dire timber
are sombra buffs live on PTR?
versed flame
check
dire timber
is it not a buff?
cunning ledge
apparently sombra mains don't like it
i have no idea
anyway something something lore
versed flame
sombra is reapers long lost daughter
versed flame
lol theyโre the only two Mexicans in the game
And he had a thing for Ana
Ana has pharah
Reaper has sombra
Makes sense
dire timber
Reaper isn't Mexican
cunning ledge
Reyes was born in LA yeah
dire timber
and quit jumping to idiotic conclusions, please
it does not "make sense"
"lul they're both Latino, they must be related or sumthing XDD"
is not the kind of reasoning we follow over here
cunning ledge
w-what
dire timber
he's a Latino American
versed flame
I think slig just canโt accept the possibility that reaper might have had a thing with Ana that resulted in sombra
wraith spear
could you explain that a little bit more for me
dire timber
born and raised in LA
and Reyes didn't have a thing with Ana
that's fanfic bullshit
versed flame
Lmao
floral herald
Yeah lets be sensible here.
Last time I read i'm pretty sure he is from LA.
iirc
cunning ledge
it's literally just explicitly canon
versed flame
His name is Gabriel Reyes, do you not think heโs Mexican @floral herald
dire timber
he's not
versed flame
You know you can be Mexican and be a Latino right?
dire timber
Hispanic brown people are not automatically Mexican
floral herald
but still doesn't change the fact he is from LA
dire timber
and he's canonically from LA
cunning ledge
dire timber
again, you're pushing fanfic bullshit
floral herald
Can't you be hispanic and from LA? lol how about that?
versed flame
Yeah heโs from LA, heโs Latino, Reyes is a common last name for Mexicans just like Gabriel is too so I donโt know why itโs so far fetched @floral herald
dire timber
you could argue he had Mexican heritage
versed flame
Source Iโm Mexican from LA lmao
dire timber
but, he is not from Mexico himself
dire timber
not what I'm saying at all
versed flame
@floral herald are you Mexican
floral herald
No
dire timber
what kind of question is that?
floral herald
Anyway, this may be deterring too far from the right topics.
versed flame
If youโre not Mexican I suggest you stop talking like if you were because youโre coming off as a know it all when you have no idea about backgrounds
Yeah I agree
Not everything you disagree with is shit posting
I suggest you open your mind more
floral herald
Ok moving on.
versed flame
Thanks @floral herald love you.
dire timber
I suggest you quit pushing bullshit
and then lecturing people when they call you out
short scaffold
the next person to continue this gets a mute
this is your cue to stop right now and drop it entirely
floral herald
So, hamsters in mechs. How about that?
short scaffold
wacky ay
wooden jackal
I'm excited
versed flame
same
versed flame
New tanks to shoot
short scaffold
I know people have an issue with it
dire timber
I'm pretty excited about it
short scaffold
And there's a valid argument on the topic of it fitting in the game
dire timber
it's pretty fun
short scaffold
but I'm not too concerned
wooden jackal
im curious to see how he'll play
floral herald
I think it's fine
versed flame
Thereโs wack people on ow so itโs okay to have wack heroes
dire timber
it does fit in the game, it fits into the established lore
cunning ledge
I find it hilarious that the entire time he's been in the junkertown arena no one knows he's a hamster
just a mystery figure in a mech
short scaffold
His name should be hammond ๐
dire timber
@short scaffold but then he wouldn't be next to Winston in hero selection
versed flame
Lol just more and more bullshit oooooof
floral herald
I agree, having his name as wrecking ball in-game is exhausting lol.
wooden jackal
everyone will probs jus call him Hammond anyways
cunning ledge
also iirc if he was "hammond" he would mean hanzo and genji aren't next to each other
wooden jackal
feel like using wrecking ball in game for callouts will be shit
versed flame
lmao I will
short scaffold
yeah no one will
floral herald
@versed flame you poor soul
short scaffold
the overwatch community knows him as hammond, because we've been hearing about Hammond, and not about Wrecking Ball
wooden jackal
ye ik that's what I said u nerd
dire timber
I'm fine with him going by Wrecking Ball - like you said, people will call him Hammond anyway
versed flame
Hahaha
dire timber
@cunning ledge I mean, Hanzo and Genji aren't in the same category as Hammond
unless you mean Hero Gallery
cunning ledge
yeah
cunning ledge
I wonder if Junkertown will get a map update when Hammond launches
versed flame
I think they might change it a bit for an event if theyโre really feeling generous
dire timber
it's weird how he stayed in the mech all the time while in Junkertown
cunning ledge
lack of queen voice lines was a bug all along
dire timber
but now he's always outside whenever not rolling
cunning ledge
yeah, I was wondering about that in the origins video
cunning ledge
because it's not like gun mode is non-canon or anything
hmm
I'm interested if his adaptive shield thing and ultimate are canon too
they clearly put effort into first person animations for them
twilit sand
I wonder what other weird ass stuff we can find in Australia
Tbh that could be said when talking about the irl Australia
dire timber
fuck, wrong discord
don't mind the messages I sent before, they were meant to be sent somewhere else entierly
regal coyote
just remember, due to the ALF the current aussie is like fuking mad max now with nuclear fallout and what not.
So yeah there would be more mutated shit.
On the other hand, there is also a part of aussie that is not affected and msot likely to be quite nice. Like the city we get to see in the map, and the comic
slig, you should be happy you did not accidently send erotica selfie onto this channel
Let's jsut say, I have seen people doing it on accident, and they are not happy
cunning ledge
hamster pls
regal coyote
well it is true about aussie in overwatch
and you know they are after that cliche
they even have a thunderdome
granted it is for mech fight
restive flower
So did Harold Winston name Winston after himself?
Because as shown with Hammond, they do name the specimens
timid eagle
Winston actually adopted the name of his mentor after his passing.
Around the time when he was leaving the colony.
fluid yacht
no duh
Imagine when tracer was lost in time.....where was she? Falling through nothing? Looking at nothing but darkness? I wonder....HMMMM
regal coyote
tracer's power and condition is limited
so even if it is out of control she would be booping in and out of current space-time in the vixinity of her would-be location
so no she cannot travel to far future or back in time to kill someone's grandma
she has some space-time power but she is no flash
worthy rose
tracer can only control her own time
dire timber
@timid eagle that used to be the case
but now we know otherwise
Winston already went by the name before the revolt
and he was registered in the surveillance system as such
worthy rose
Is tracer even the protagonist anymore?
pure kernel
She was the protagonist?
cunning ledge
I like to think that Winston is the current primary protagonist
not that it matters with the lore not actually going forwards at all
haughty marten
dire timber
@worthy rose I don't think she was ever the protagonist
like, the game is telling a story of so many different characters, so many "protagonists" of their own right
dire timber
yep
she's the poster girl and the first one to join Winston's team
and she did have plenty things going on, both with the new Overwatch and the King's Row Uprising
but ultimately the story goes well beyond just the stuff she's involved with
worthy rose
tracer is the game mascot
worthy rose
Tbh at this point id say reaper is the protag
dire timber
villain protagonist with a fallen hero background
worthy rose
Exactly ๐
sour umbra
versed flame
people should double check their replies so that not every single one of them is edited lmao
fringe carbon
idk what u mean.
dire timber
what
limpid agate
Tracer is the protagonist
Reaper is one is the main antagonists
But every character is designed to be the hero of their own story
urban folio
valid shell
@sour umbra Source?
prisma wren
his left toenail is missing?
limpid agate
This is the lore channel
valid shell
@split basin #general-discussion
split basin
Oh
royal ether
when she was doing that slipstream thing
yea
but what if when that event happened and then she wasnt aging normally
she was blinking in and out of existence
royal ether
therfore she shouldnt really have an agae
limpid agate
Except she does. And it is 26.