lore-discussion

[limpid agate]

Im borderline convinced Lawrence is just satirizing you

[compact hare]

Talon has no conection with horizon at all

[limpid agate]

It doesnt make sense

[woeful coyote]

It’s called a plot twist

[limpid agate]

Its called bad writing

[compact hare]

Its blizzard

They dont pull plot twist from their arses

[limpid agate]

Correct

And when they do

It pisses people off

[woeful coyote]

Hamster

[limpid agate]

Hamster wasnt out of their ass

We knew for a year

Hammond was a small harmless animal

And people kept saying "no hes a monkey"

[woeful coyote]

The Hamster part specifically

[limpid agate]

"No hes a chimp"

[compact hare]

It couldve been anything

[limpid agate]

^

All we knew was small harmless animal

Could have been a rabbit

Or a cat

[compact hare]

I would prefer if he was a chimp but him beeing a hamster isnt against what we knew

[limpid agate]

Or a hamster

He was a hamster

It made sense with what we knew

[rose hedge]

I prefer him being a hamster

He's cute

[woeful coyote]

Who was Simon btw?

[compact hare]

I dont like him

He is creepy

[peak escarp]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/278653958?t=02h27m19s

[compact hare]

A gorilla

[limpid agate]

This is what Hammond was doing

[peak escarp]

from Seagull's chat with Jeff earlier

[compact hare]

@limpid agate So hammond knew the rebellion would happen?

[peak escarp]

"I gotta get outta here, these monkeys are crazy."

[limpid agate]

No

Where did you get that idea

[compact hare]

"which would soon come in handy""

If he was learning that i assume he had some purpose on doing it

[limpid agate]

@compact hare Watch that twitch clip

It says it explictly

From jeff

Hammond didnt revolt

He wasnt part of it

He wanted to get off Simon's wild ride

[compact hare]

So simon caused the rebllion?

[limpid agate]

So there you go.

Explicitly stating

Hammond is nothing to do with it

Simon is the likely source

Considering we have multiple emails about Simon explicitly

[woeful coyote]

I have a question

[compact hare]

Will simon be a villain?

Lel

It would be fun

[woeful coyote]

If only humans can fit in the spacesuits, how did Hammond and Winston get into their pods and launch?

[limpid agate]

Simon will never be a hero

[compact hare]

I was saying villain tho

[limpid agate]

@woeful coyote Watch the origin trailer

[rose hedge]

What happened to the scientist taking care of Hammond and Winston?

[limpid agate]

@rose hedge ⚰

[compact hare]

Probably dead

[rose hedge]

;w;

I'm sad now ;w;

[compact hare]

Maybe they are beeing held hostage

But probably dead

Simon doesnt seem like fun boi

I wonder if hammond was the name of the scientist taking care of him or he has a original name

[rose hedge]

I wanna kick Simon's butt now

[compact hare]

Well they where experimenting with animals

And the animals where intelligent at that

[rose hedge]

But he was nice!

[compact hare]

I dont think they knew that

[rose hedge]

:c

[compact hare]

Winston even had a escape plan for him

Maybe he was privilleged over the other monkeys

Since he could talks and all

[peak escarp]

they made the animals intelligent

[woeful coyote]

Which trailer explains how he got in the pod?

[peak escarp]

they weren't intelligent to start with

[compact hare]

I know

But they where still experimenting with them

Even after they became intelligence

[dire timber]

so far Lawrence has claimed that:

• we should assume that all dead characters are alive until we see their corpses
• Harold betrayed the other scientists
• Talon started the Horozon Lunar Colony revolt

that's... quite a track record

[compact hare]

Lol

The first one isnt that bad of an assertion

The others are...oof

[woeful coyote]

The first one is the first rule of movies

[rose hedge]

...

That's a problem o3o

[woeful coyote]

If you don’t see a character die, assume they aren’t dead

[rose hedge]

Oh

Well then!

I like this!

[compact hare]

W should just consider the scientists as missing

It would be a better compromise

[dire timber]

the first one is nonsensical, too

[peak escarp]

I'm generally under the assumption that if they tell me someone is dead, I'll believe them unless proven otherwise

[rose hedge]

I can agree with that!

[peak escarp]

the absence of proof is not proof

[compact hare]

Well they didnt directly say they are dead

[dire timber]

there's absolutely no reason to believe Antonio, Gerard, or Vialli are alive

and plenty indication that they died exactly when we know them to have died

[rose hedge]

Pfft

[compact hare]

I think they are dead

[peak escarp]

from Winston's bio: "But his life was thrown into chaos when the other gorillas led an uprising, killed the mission scientists, and claimed the colony for their own."

[rose hedge]

Slig it's already proven Widowmaker killed Gerard in his sleep.

[compact hare]

But theres clear room they can be alive

[rose hedge]

Oh no ;;

[peak escarp]

according to this, the HLC scientists are dead

[rose hedge]

The cool science guy is dead ;;

[compact hare]

Is gamepedia official

[peak escarp]

no reason to believe otherwise

gamepedia is a fan-run wiki

[compact hare]

Meh

Yep apparently they are really dead

Maybe harold escaped since his suit is missing

But apparently now HLC is a monkey communist uptopia

[peak escarp]

basically

I doubt it's a utopia though

[compact hare]

Well its an utopia for the monkeys

[woeful coyote]

Schroedinger’s Harold

[compact hare]

They can just eat the hydroponics till they run out

[woeful coyote]

He’s both alive and dead

[compact hare]

And the storage

[peak escarp]

a bunch of genetically modified aggressive monkeys together in an enclosed space with limited resources

doesn't sound like a happy place

[compact hare]

Well for monkeys it might be

[woeful coyote]

Why hasn’t anyone... you know... gone to the moon and dealt with the problem?

[peak escarp]

would you like to volunteer?

[compact hare]

Why would they,theres a moobase full of god knows how many monkeys

That have killed many humans

[woeful coyote]

Because there is valuable research data

[peak escarp]

genetically modified apes that have already killed a bunch of scientists don't sound like something easily dealt with

[woeful coyote]

The science!

[peak escarp]

the science will still be there when the apes die off

[woeful coyote]

But they have hydroponics

[compact hare]

The apes will die unless they learn to cultivate hydroponic

And reproduce

[rose hedge]

Okay listen

Everything knows how to reproduce

[peak escarp]

I doubt reproduction would be an issue

[compact hare]

LOL

[peak escarp]

assuming they can reproduce

[compact hare]

Maybe they dont have female apes?

[peak escarp]

they could have been sterilized by the genetic therapy

[fringe pewter]

...that could be it

[compact hare]

I doubt they where sterelized

[peak escarp]

the specimens included some female names, so I think there were female specimens

[compact hare]

So yeah reproduction isnt an issue

[woeful coyote]

Since HLC is a playable map, can we assume that the reason a battle occurs there is because Talon wants to get ahold of all that valuable data?

[compact hare]

Food,water and maintenace are probably the biggest one

[valid shell]

Playable map doesn't mean it's canonically a battlefield.

See: Blizzard World.

[peak escarp]

Talon hasn't shown any interest in the moon

[compact hare]

Talon Lunar Colony when?

[peak escarp]

or any interest in data collection

aside from Moira

[compact hare]

Is the doom of HLC public knowledge?

[valid shell]

Yes.

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/20812209

^ This is an in-universe article.

[compact hare]

Also when you think about it its been what 30 years since the doom of horizon

Either the apes died out or learned how to make food and water

[peak escarp]

30 years?

Winston left about 10 years ago

[compact hare]

I thought winston was part of overwatch

[peak escarp]

yes

he joined Overwatch after landing on Earth

he wasn't in the original strike team

[compact hare]

So overwatch has ended like 10 years ago?

[peak escarp]

Overwatch disbanded about 5 years ago, counting back from Recall

[compact hare]

Wut

I thought it was more time

But if it was tracer wouldnt even been born

Lol

Just thought of that

[peak escarp]

the Swiss Base explosion was 6 years ago, Uprising was 7 years ago, Retribution was 8 years ago, Mei went into cryosleep 9 years ago

[compact hare]

There where 2 omnic crisis right?

[peak escarp]

Mei recognized Winston when she woke up, which means she knew him from before going into cryosleep

[compact hare]

The world recovered pretty quickly from them

[peak escarp]

so Winston was in Overwatch a minimum of 9 years ago

the first Omnic Crisis started about 30 years ago, was a global war, and was stopped by the Overwatch strike team

the second Omnic Crisis is just beginning - you can see references to it in Recall, in the news broadcast Winston is watching

[compact hare]

Oh i thought it was just talon

[peak escarp]

Talon is their own thing

[compact hare]

So the invasion of kingsrow was during the first?

Or second?

[peak escarp]

Doomfist wants the second omnic crisis to happen because he believes conflict drives human development

[dire timber]

King's Rown Uprising was its own event

[peak escarp]

yes

[dire timber]

7 years before Recall

it doesn't really have any connection to the Omnic Crisis

[compact hare]

I thought it had lol

So it was just a random robot uprising

It just looked too organized

[dire timber]

I mean, it's very different

[peak escarp]

it was an omnic uprising with the goal of getting rights for omnics

so kindof a civil rights movement

[compact hare]

I thought the omnics wanted to kill humanity

[peak escarp]

except with terrorism instead of peace marches

[compact hare]

Like the original ominic crisis one

That didnt look like terrorism

That looked like a straight up invasion

[woeful coyote]

What happened to the Interstellar Journey Space Station btw?

[dire timber]

the original Omnic Crisis was when the omniums began producing automated armies that systematically attacked humanity

[compact hare]

Probably still there

[dire timber]

30 years ago

the original Overwatch strike team put an end to that

[compact hare]

I know

[woeful coyote]

The wiki says it suffered an emergency failure

But what kind of failure?

Was it a monkey invasion from the moon?!

[dire timber]

on the other hand, King's Row Uprising was started by an extremist omnic group, Null Sector, on their own free will

[peak escarp]

I don't think we know what happened to the Lijiang space station

[woeful coyote]

It seems like something that will be elaborated on in the future right?

[compact hare]

Those extremist groups have a ton of resources

[peak escarp]

it's mostly just a background detail at this point

[compact hare]

Holy shit

[peak escarp]

they might build on it

[dire timber]

and Null Sector, in contrast, did have demands

[compact hare]

Well they are omnics

They can aways create more of them

[dire timber]

"securing the future for omnics", or so they say

[compact hare]

Isnt the last fringes of the original omnic crisis still in russia and korea?

And maybe south america

[dire timber]

I kinda can't help but see Null Sector as some sort of robot Nazis

[worthy rose]

@dire timber that wasn't turing green sw0?

[dire timber]

the aesthetic fits

[peak escarp]

Korea gets attacked every few years by a giant omnic that lives in the ocean

[valid shell]

Were Nazis purple?

[peak escarp]

that is a leftover from the first omnic crisis

[dire timber]

not exactly, but

[compact hare]

Null Sector was an extremist/terrorist group that utilized violent methods to achieve omnic rights. They operated out of the United Kingdom, in the heart of London.[1] Their implied goal was to create an omnic nation

[dire timber]

very ruthless, mechanical, obsessed with efficiency

[compact hare]

So they are basically the ominic crisis but more local

They dont want to exterminate humanity as a whole

[peak escarp]

in Russia, the omnic crisis never really ended . . . they've been fighting the omnics on and off and they refused help from Overwatch

[compact hare]

Just in the UK

[worthy rose]

and the lady has been allying with some of the omnics

[compact hare]

Wait 7 years ago blackwatch still existed?

[peak escarp]

Blackwatch was suspended

after the events of Retribution the year before

McCree was still active though

[compact hare]

Understood

I will just read the wiki

[dire timber]

I would much recommend all the blog posts, animated shorts, and comics instead

[valid shell]

@compact hare Check the pins.

[compact hare]

Does anyone know what are they hiding in temple of anubis?

[peak escarp]

it's good to see what sources all the info comes from

rather than just digest all the info by itself

[compact hare]

Noice

I like that on the pins

Its a great idea

[peak escarp]

and of course, all of us have gone through it all so we are here to answer questions and argue over the answers

[compact hare]

In universe blizzard is kinda like disney right?

[peak escarp]

Blizzard is still Blizzard

all their other games still exist

[valid shell]

Just an idealized super successful Blizzard.

[peak escarp]

Overwatch the game just doesn't exist

[compact hare]

Blizzard is basically a superpower game distribution company

(What about activision tho huhuhuhuu)

[peak escarp]

maybe they're a little bigger, since they have a theme park and produce videos for museums

[compact hare]

Well Dva is a superstar e-sports and she is mainly know for SC2

[peak escarp]

her main game hasn't been identified

[compact hare]

I thought it was still sc2

[peak escarp]

she likes SC2, but she's not a pro

[compact hare]

But she played other things

[peak escarp]

(they retconned that)

[compact hare]

Rip

[valid shell]

Better change your avatar.

[compact hare]

Wait oasis is in iraq wot

[valid shell]

Yes.

[peak escarp]

yes

[valid shell]

That is where it is located.

[compact hare]

I aways thought it was saudi arabia

[peak escarp]

you were close

[compact hare]

Because of the huge building in the middle and all

[peak escarp]

that's kinda what it's based on

[compact hare]

Since the saudis have some unhealthy addiction with building big towers

[valid shell]

Big buildings can be anywhere.

[peak escarp]

it was inspired by oasis cities in the middle east, like Dubai

[valid shell]

Blizzard likely wanted to free up D.Va's championship game to make their own fictional one for her.

Probably with twinsticks to translate to her MEKA.

[compact hare]

It would be fun

[peak escarp]

maybe they're having trouble coming up with something, and that's why DVa hasn't gotten any lore

[compact hare]

I just noticed winston uses his armor at all times

Why doenst he get a little more confortable at home?

[sour umbra]

Peanut

Butter

[compact hare]

Agreed

[sour umbra]

Dipping

Bananas

In

Peanut

Butter

[valid shell]

@sour umbra Stop.

[sour umbra]

Maybe

Aay

Please

And

Get

Some

Manners

[valid shell]

<@&397922982632226816>

[sour umbra]

[compact hare]

Rip

[valid shell]

@compact hare We've seen Winston in casual clothes on Christmas.

And his graduation ceremony, though that's kinda noncanon now.

[sour umbra]

And his safari skin

[valid shell]

That's not canon.

[sour umbra]

It could be

[compact hare]

@valid shell Didnt know that thx,im watching recall and i just wondered like,he is at home why is he wearing a full body armor

[sour umbra]

He's stuck

[compact hare]

He isnt

He has a spare

[peak escarp]

he does put on more armor at the end of Recall

so it's kinda half?

[compact hare]

I guess

Forget it

[sour umbra]

Nevermind

[compact hare]

Also does reaper have a body?

[peak escarp]

yes

[compact hare]

I thought he was just smoke

[peak escarp]

he's solid enough for Winston to grab and to get thrown into a wall

[compact hare]

True

[peak escarp]

but he can break down into smoke and reform

[compact hare]

So he can become smoke at will

[peak escarp]

yes

[sour umbra]

He can become wraith at will

[compact hare]

Thats smoke

[sour umbra]

But probably limited

[peak escarp]

in Infiltration he becomes smokey after taking some damage, so I think it might be involuntary when he's injured

[compact hare]

Also the im not a monkey im a scientist line is the funniest think i can ever see

Or hear

[worthy rose]

Sooo if we get queeen

Do you think she will use her own mecha? Or just be herself?

[compact hare]

I think it will be just her

Also would doomfist be considered the leader of talon?

Like everyone is pretty much working towards his goal

Even the people in the council

[valid shell]

@compact hare I think he has the most pull at the moment, but he's still on equal standing with the others.

[compact hare]

He for now seems like the strongest there

He in universe is one of the most powerful people

Like we havent seen moira's power but she seems nowhere near him

[sour umbra]

maximillien

And doofist is a leader of talon

[compact hare]

He is a robot with money he isnt powerful in combat strenght as far as i know

He isnt the per sei leader but he sure acts like it

They have a council

[sour umbra]

Well that doesn't mean he won't a leader

Wouldn't*

[compact hare]

I dont even know if maximillian is part of talon tbh i assumed he was just in cahoots with them

[valid shell]

?

[peak escarp]

Maximillien is on the Talon council

[compact hare]

Apparently hanzo doesnt care about killing omnics

[valid shell]

He's at the table.

Reyes explicitly says he'll be taking Antonio's place.

[compact hare]

Oj

[valid shell]

(Along with Vialli.)

[compact hare]

I dont get how the council works

[valid shell]

And we don't know if Hanzo actually killed that Omnic Shimada goon.

The only Omnics we've seen canonically die were from headshots, Mondatta and Okoro.

[compact hare]

People who just have power enter it?

[valid shell]

And Hanzo shot the goon in the chest.

[compact hare]

Well it seems he shot to kill

While he didnt shoot the others

[sour umbra]

Most bastions, most or-14s died canonicly

[valid shell]

Well, yes.

[compact hare]

Well normal omnics arent the same as war omnics tho

[valid shell]

But I mean humanoid models.

[sour umbra]

Industrial omnics*

[compact hare]

even if we assume it didnt kill the omnic

Hanzo still shot him without hesitation

[valid shell]

Because he knew he's less squishy than humans.

[compact hare]

Maybe

He also refers to genji as a thing but that might be because he is now a hybrid

Rather than a full omnic

Also what happend to mexico?It looks more dangerous than today

[peak escarp]

isn't Mexico a pretty dangerous place?

[compact hare]

Theres 3 guys beating a omnic in full daylight with no one in the street

At least its cleaner than today

[peak escarp]

I honestly don't know much about Mexico

just what I see in movies

and it isn't very flattering

[compact hare]

Real mexico isnt as bad as the movies

But its bad

Most cities have petty criminals tho not full on gangs

Also how did alehandra get to the store in time?

[valid shell]

http://nesskain.tumblr.com/post/175354152370/overwatch-illustrations-i-did-for-hammonds-origin

[peak escarp]

plot device

[valid shell]

Here's a better look at the Hammond stills.

[peak escarp]

you can see Junkrat in the crowd at the Scrapyard

[compact hare]

At least we know he knows hammond's wreckingball

[valid shell]

Mm hm.

[compact hare]

We have a better shot of the queen too

[peak escarp]

he's probably a fan of Wrecking Ball

looking forward to their interactions

[compact hare]

Well he seems rooting for it

[valid shell]

So what's going on here: https://78.media.tumblr.com/b82e20e4bce45b2310aadad42ae251d3/tumblr_pb248sX77f1r84g4co3_1280.jpg

Is Hammond's escape pod the power source for Wrecking Ball?

[compact hare]

He is tranforming his module in the wrekingball

[peak escarp]

it's the core

maybe power source?

[compact hare]

Might be

But what would be in a scape module

[limpid agate]

It might be the cockpit

[compact hare]

I was thinkign that

[peak escarp]

you can actually find that spot on the Junkertown map

[valid shell]

It looks strangely suspended inside the outer hull.

[peak escarp]

it's in Bruce's garage

[valid shell]

Would be neat if Bruce sponsored Hammond and kept his secret.

A tenuous connection to Roadhog.

[peak escarp]

https://imgur.com/h2KaEpF

[compact hare]

Doubt it but it would neat

I guess he didnt take care of his garage well

The boiler is hella rusty now

[valid shell]

I guess he stands up in - or even on top of - his original escape pod when in gun mode, and drops down into it when rolling?

OH.

[peak escarp]

. . . Junkerqueen's kneepads are omnic faceplates

[valid shell]

The pod probably does stay upright when he's rolling, like a gyro!

That makes sense.

[compact hare]

It would make a lot of sense

[valid shell]

It probably is somewhat suspended inside the outer Wrecking Ball hull.

[compact hare]

So the pod is the cockpit

Is has a system where the ball rotates around it but it stays still inside the ball

I dont remember the name for it tho

[scenic vale]

Was there any secrets in the reveal trailer that people caught onto?

[compact hare]

Not rn

Theres a suspicious note i cant read

But it looks more like nothing

[valid shell]

Where?

[compact hare]

Some early prototype of the capsule

Its in the desk under a cable

[hasty surge]

Damn wrecking ball isn't the queen's mech

[compact hare]

Lel

It would be really weird

But it would make sense with her character

[valid shell]

Would it?

[compact hare]

At least in a stetic sense

The junkertown reckingball

[valid shell]

A statuesque and intimidating figure like the queen folding herself into a ball and rolling around?

[compact hare]

Lol

[valid shell]

It wouldn't make any sense at all.

[scenic vale]

Does Hammond have any voice lines yet?

[compact hare]

I was imagining her using it not like it is used now

but as a weapon

[valid shell]

@scenic vale No voice lines, but the whole spread of hello/acknowledge/thanks/etc.

[compact hare]

@scenic vale I thought his robot talked or something

[valid shell]

Hammond squeaks.

Wrecking Ball translates.

[compact hare]

Lol

Useful

[valid shell]

It's actually pretty great.

[scenic vale]

That’s pretty cool hahah

[valid shell]

Doesn't seem too weird or comedic.

[scenic vale]

Get bastion a translator that would be interesting lol

[compact hare]

I wonder what woudlve happend if bastion didnt stop during his cinematic

And just kept going to the city

Probably a massacre of innocent civilians

[terse silo]

'Nam

[compact hare]

And then get shotdown by a Or-14?

[scenic vale]

Idk why I really want a road hog solo animated short

[peak escarp]

he's got a default voice line

[scenic vale]

I want to know more about him

[peak escarp]

can't remember what it is though

[compact hare]

Roadhog doesnt really have much of a personality to go on tbh

[sour umbra]

Wym

[peak escarp]

@scenic vale have you read Wasted Land?

[compact hare]

He is just...roadhog

[scenic vale]

I’m not sure I’ll have a look now

[peak escarp]

its one of the comics

it shows how he met Junkrat

[scenic vale]

I also want to know the reason he wears a mask even if it’s to help him breathe

[sour umbra]

👍

Probably asthma

[limpid agate]

@scenic vale Its to help him breathe

@sour umbra Radiation sickness

[sour umbra]

Asthma*

[terse silo]

I personally want an Orisa short

[compact hare]

Is australia still a radioactive wasteland?

[sour umbra]

Kinda

[limpid agate]

Not really, no

[sour umbra]

Abandoned

[limpid agate]

The country isnt abandonned

Just the outback

[compact hare]

Sidney is probably still fine

[sour umbra]

Nope

[limpid agate]

We've seen Sydney

It is fine

[sour umbra]

Wasn't it attacked in the first is short

[compact hare]

I remember it

[limpid agate]

@sour umbra Dont answer questions you dont know the answer to

[sour umbra]

As one of the flashback pics

[limpid agate]

That was 30 years ago

Before it became Mad Max land

And completely unrelated

[scenic vale]

Do you guys think Hammond is good or evil?

Or neutral

[valid shell]

Hard neutral.

[compact hare]

Chaotic Neutral

"A chaotic neutral character follows his whims. He is an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but doesn't strive to protect others' freedom"

[peak escarp]

eh, I'm with Binge

[scenic vale]

I wonder what his intentions are at the moment

[peak escarp]

he seems more true neutral to me

[limpid agate]

He's neutral

It doesnt matter chaotic or true or what

He's neutral

[peak escarp]

we don't know what his motivations really are

[limpid agate]

He is "searching for adventure"

[compact hare]

True Neutral

[peak escarp]

plus true neutral is the alignment given to animals in RPGS 😛

[compact hare]

A neutral character does what seems to be a good idea. She doesn't feel strongly one way or the other when it comes to good vs. evil or law vs. chaos.

[dire timber]

you know, I wonder, how do Junkers know that Wrecking Ball isn't an omnic?

[peak escarp]

they probably have some way of testing

[dire timber]

I like the idea someone tossed, that Bruce knows

and that he vouched for him

[peak escarp]

maybe something low-tech, like waving some magnets over them and seeing if it messes with their circuits

[scenic vale]

Is Hammond still champion if he has left junkertown? Maybe the queen took over and became the champion

[dire timber]

uh

[limpid agate]

QUeen was champion first

Then she became queen

[dire timber]

the Queen isn't becoming a champion

she's not taking part in the fights anymore

she supervises them

[compact hare]

Sadly

[valid shell]

People seem to think that Champion and Queen/King of Junkertown are synonymous.

[scenic vale]

So she retired from them and Hammond took over

[compact hare]

She already was retired when hammond came i think

[dire timber]

I mean, maybe there were a few other champions along the line

but Hammond has repeatedly been the champion ever since he arrived

[compact hare]

I guess Doomfist would be considered the most powerful In Universe because he can learn his opponent's weakness very quickly during a battle

[dire timber]

??

lol

[valid shell]

Winston canonically beat him.

So, no.

[dire timber]

what a way to describe that

[fringe pewter]

Ana is strong lore wise

[valid shell]

Winston beat Doomfist once and Reaper twice.

[compact hare]

Well it was a 3v1 @valid shell

[fringe pewter]

She punched Reaper once and won

[dire timber]

all that talk about "power levels" is always so trite

[compact hare]

I guess winston would be the strongest then

In power level

[dire timber]

like, that's not how combat works

[valid shell]

Then specify "in a 1v1".

[fringe pewter]

Winston almost fell to Reaper had Reaper just did the job

Twice

[compact hare]

Well reaper is his counter

Lel

[fringe pewter]

duhhh

[dire timber]

please don't bring gameplay talk into this

[compact hare]

Tbh i think winston has less advantage against ranged

Specially reaper's shotguns

Since they are made for short-mid range combat

Winston has to get close

[fringe pewter]

Widowmaker is pretty decent lore wise

[compact hare]

Its the same as the cinematic trailer

[deep viper]

Sombra is his counter

[compact hare]

In Universe

No

[valid shell]

#overwatch for gameplay.

[compact hare]

Sombra's weapon is more mid-range than shortrange

Reaper's weapons are literally made for shortrange combat

[prisma wren]

Any thing new today?

[compact hare]

And winston's most powerful attacks are melee while his weapon is the same as reaper's

[fringe pewter]

Reaper can turn into his wraith whenever with no limits

[compact hare]

So i would guess he has the upper hand

[fringe pewter]

His shotguns too

[valid shell]

@prisma wren A lot of things are new.

[compact hare]

Winston beating him twice shows he is alot stronger

[valid shell]

Have you been tuned in?

We have a new hero.

[fringe pewter]

Doomfist is very quick to learn

[prisma wren]

What?

[valid shell]

Dude.

[compact hare]

At least in intelligence

[peak escarp]

Reaper seemingly can't die, but his shotguns aren't that great

[fringe pewter]

Bruh

[prisma wren]

shit man

[fringe pewter]

bruhh

[compact hare]

Like winston is a scientist

[valid shell]

Tab out of discord and go to the Overwatch youtube now.

[prisma wren]

ive been asleep

[valid shell]

Go go go go go.

[prisma wren]

k

[fringe pewter]

Go get!

[prisma wren]

thx everybody

[fringe pewter]

Welcome

[valid shell]

❤

[cerulean widget]

lol

[compact hare]

Winston has phisical strenght and constitution and intelligence

[peak escarp]

brace for reaction in t-minus 2 minutes

[cerulean widget]

just made that guys day

[fringe pewter]

Symmetra could be OP AF if it wasn't for her naivete

[compact hare]

Reaper has weapon advantage and is immortal

[deep viper]

I wish this hamster could demech

[compact hare]

He even defeated both russian mechas

[cerulean widget]

same tho

[fringe pewter]

Hard light creation.

With nothing but a thought and flick of the wrist

[compact hare]

Isnt symmetra autistic?I remember reading that somewhere

[fringe pewter]

Yes

[compact hare]

Also hard light probably would need energy to keep it up

[deep viper]

yeah she has assburgers

[fringe pewter]

But she can master her hard light creation

[compact hare]

From what i know you cant just leave a hardlight lampost from nothing there

It has to have a source

A constant source

[fringe pewter]

Her arm and gun

[peak escarp]

we don't know how hardlight works

and they probably won't explain it

[compact hare]

Oh you are talking about combat capabilities?

[fringe pewter]

In the OW Universe, no

Yes

[compact hare]

I was thinking In universe use

Lel

Like hardlight isnt hard to figure out

[fringe pewter]

Orisa could be VERY strong.

She's just a literal baby rn

[compact hare]

Isnt she 1 month old

[fringe pewter]

Yepppp

[compact hare]

Like she is a literal infant

[fringe pewter]

Yes

[compact hare]

In time,in mental age she is probably in her 20's

[deep viper]

Its a computer, it doesnt have mental age

It has programming

[fringe pewter]

Explain the Omnics then

We can't

[compact hare]

Also does anyone wonder how many people have roadhog an junkrat killed?

[fringe pewter]

Least now yet

[compact hare]

@deep viper Its an ai

[fringe pewter]

I say about a few hundreds

[compact hare]

It can obviously learn

And it was created with free will but taught justice

[limpid agate]

@compact hare At least 1 human

[fringe pewter]

That is for sure

[compact hare]

Well i guess their trailer is mostly a criminal ad

[limpid agate]

That's all we have seen

[compact hare]

So maybe its not trustworthy

[limpid agate]

Everyone else they were shown killing are omnics

Or, security bots

[compact hare]

Like the trailer says they kill people everywhere they go but i think this is a case of untrustworthy narrator

[fringe pewter]

They just want money

And explosions

Which you know

Can kill people

[limpid agate]

Some consider Omnics people

Junkrat and Roadhog dont

So thats why I said at least 1 human

[fringe pewter]

So to them, they just deal with tin cans

[compact hare]

Worse yet the trailer was created in "kings row" so i guess its even more a case of it

[peak escarp]

they also can't show mass murder and actually killing people violently

[compact hare]

I know

I was just wondering how many

[peak escarp]

because the lore has to meet the game's rating

[fringe pewter]

They barely cop out Reaper snapping a guard's neck

[limpid agate]

@peak escarp They've shown lots of people die

[peak escarp]

Reaper likes his aggressive hugs

they're like his signature move

[compact hare]

He just wanted a hug

[fringe pewter]

hug me said the Guard to the persona of Death

[limpid agate]

We see the aftermath of Genji literally slaughtering a room of goons with a sword

[peak escarp]

but realistically, that scene would be much much bloodier

[compact hare]

I wonder who outhacked sombra

[fringe pewter]

What?

Oh that

That's this group called the Conspiracy

[compact hare]

I hope we know that in at least the next 10 years

One thing i like about talon

They actually murder people

I hate villains who's only bad things are offscreen

[limpid agate]

@fringe pewter Its not called the conspiracy

It is a mystery with an unknown name

[scenic vale]

I wonder who the people at the top of the chain are

[fringe pewter]

Could've sworn that was the name. But it's this organization unbeknownst even to Sombra now

[compact hare]

Ultimate villain is obvious the indian corporation

[limpid agate]

Its unnamed

@compact hare Vishkar is below Talon.

[peak escarp]

more like parallel

[limpid agate]

Nice edit

[compact hare]

Want me to delete it?

Done

I thought vishkar was in cahoots with talon

[peak escarp]

Sanjay is in Talon, but we don't know what position he holds in Vishkar or if Vishkar is completely in bed with Talon

[limpid agate]

^

[peak escarp]

Vishkar seems to be a legitimate company that does shady stuff that is still legal

[scenic vale]

The logo for the conspiracy is a big eye this could possibly be a hint

[fringe pewter]

Like kill people

Because that's legal

[peak escarp]

that was Sanjay

[fringe pewter]

Oh yeah.

[ionic socket]

Ooh i love shady corporations

[scenic vale]

Efi has a similar eye design on her face and zen says embrace the iris

[limpid agate]

Every bad thing we've seen Vishkar do was under Sanjay

[peak escarp]

again, we don't know if he was under orders from Vishkar to use any means necessary to secure the project, or if he took that initiative on his own

[scenic vale]

I’m getting this from the wiki btw

[peak escarp]

Efi's makeup is probably unrelated to the Iris

[valid shell]

Vishkar might just end up being well-meaning and actually want a better world, but go about it in a brutal and cold fashion.

Or they might be mustache-twisting villains.

We don't know.

[peak escarp]

Vishkar makes improvements by gentrifying and exploiting lower-class populations

much like modern corporations do all the time

[valid shell]

And ancient 'corporations'.

How do you think the pyramids and great wall got built?

[scenic vale]

Do you ever think we will get a hero with ties to Hanzo and genji?

[peak escarp]

probably not

[valid shell]

Hanzo and Genji have ties to Hanzo and Genji.

[limpid agate]

No more Shimadas

Thanks

[peak escarp]

I don't think there's anyone left in the Shimada family

[compact hare]

Remove shimada

[ionic socket]

Where is ana currently?

[scenic vale]

Dm I was reading about a different shimada but just realized they are deceased

[worthy rose]

tbh shimada is a pretty common name in Japan I assume

[valid shell]

@ionic socket With Jack in Necropolis, Egypt.

[peak escarp]

Ana's last known location was with- yes

[compact hare]

What happend witht he shimada clan tho?

[peak escarp]

what Binge said

[valid shell]

@compact hare Genji (and Blackwatch, probably) dismantled them.

[compact hare]

Oof

[peak escarp]

judging by the screens on Necropolis, they seemed to be tracking Reaper's movements

[ionic socket]

Whoa necropolis sounds like a cool place

[valid shell]

The Shimada Clan is still around, though.

They have enough manpower to put guards at Shimada Castle.

And Widowmaker implies the clan can still be resurrected.

[compact hare]

Wait why does hanzo have to sneak in?

[peak escarp]

and they have enough influence to send assassins after Hanzo

[compact hare]

If he is one of them

[peak escarp]

he betrayed them

[compact hare]

oh

[peak escarp]

after he "killed" Genji

he left the clan

with crime families, the only way out is in a pine box

[valid shell]

Betrayed is a bit of an overdramatization, but they probably see it that way.

[prisma wren]

How come binge never plays overwatch?

[valid shell]

Hanzo has had assassins sent after him, probably by Shimada.

Hm?

[prisma wren]

U dont play overwatch

[valid shell]

What do you mean?

[prisma wren]

unless u play on console

[valid shell]

Nah, I play on PC.

Usually during events though.

[prisma wren]

oh

[valid shell]

I'm not a le epic esports OWL comp gamer.

[prisma wren]

yea i was wondering why you were not on my games tab 😅

ok back to lore

[compact hare]

Where is hammond rn?

Has he left australia?

[limpid agate]

Yes

[fringe pewter]

Traveling the world now

[peak escarp]

he has, but we don't know where he's going

maybe he'll look up Winston and join Newverwatch

[compact hare]

It would be cool

[fringe pewter]

I wonder what his allegation lies.

[peak escarp]

they do seem to be giving us a lot of "second generation" Overwatch heroes

[fringe pewter]

He was friends with Winston but was always fighting in Junkertown. Also, was known to be a troublemaker.

[compact hare]

I would prefer more talon heroes tho

They feel like a small threat compared to the omnics

[limpid agate]

Sanjay and Maximillien are always candidates

But Im still expecting the Queen first

Unless Gamescom changes that.

[compact hare]

I would love queen and sanjay

Maximillien really does not seem like the field hero type

[limpid agate]

I still picture him as a mafioso style hero.

[compact hare]

He feels alot more like the guy who is in the back giving money to some shady yakuza

[limpid agate]

I watch too much Scorsese. He looks like the kind of guy De Niro would play

[compact hare]

Than going all in guns blazing

[valid shell]

@compact hare Does Mei seem like brawler?

[golden urchin]

One of Hammonds emotes is making fun of D.va

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/A3SZJA8MTU961530150723099.jpg

[compact hare]

@valid shell Well she does have the spirit

@golden urchin Guess who i wont be maining anymore

[pure kernel]

yes

[valid shell]

Dunno why people write Max off.

[pure kernel]

wdym

[prisma wren]

@golden urchin thats so funny

[valid shell]

As eventually becoming playable.

Did Brigitte look like hero material at her first appearance?

https://comic.playoverwatch.com/issues/overwatch/2/en-us/pages/2/2-4.jpg

[peak escarp]

her arms look weirdly long

[valid shell]

Better than these arms: https://comic.playoverwatch.com/issues/overwatch/10/en-us/pages/10/10-1.png

[peak escarp]

thus the importance of working from a reference

[ionic socket]

Thats a cute photo btw

[prisma wren]

is it just me or will the ptr not work?

[valid shell]

Works for me.

[prisma wren]

this is weird

and everybody in the general chat is having the same problems as me

[golden urchin]

restart

[prisma wren]

i did

[golden urchin]

restart again right now

[prisma wren]

ok?

still not working

it says the is a new version of overwatch available

wtj is wrong

@golden urchin is it working for you?

[valid shell]

@prisma wren I'm in. Dunno what's up on your end.

[karmic drum]

The PTR is broken.

The update didn't work properly.

So the game isn't letting you play anything.

[prisma wren]

chat having same problem as me

[golden urchin]

restart it

its working now

[prisma wren]

ok

not working!

oh wait

they patched it?

[misty torrent]

Everyone having fun working a murder-hamtaro into the lore? 😀

[peak escarp]

after I got over the inconsistencies, he fits quite nicely

[limpid agate]

@worthy rose SFW

Also this is lore

Shitposting will result in a loss of access

Moving swiftly onwards

[mossy apex]

Is there anywhere to post a picture? I had a funny picture I wanted to show that's a knock on the new character... wasn't sure if lore was the right place to post it :/ @limpid agate

[limpid agate]

Lore is for story, not memes

Reupload your meme and put it in #general-discussion

[mossy apex]

Oh I didn't upload it yet... also sorry, I just joined x_x

Thank you for the info

[cunning ledge]

Hammond/Wrecking Ball telescope line is "He says the view is.. acceptable"

if anyone was wondering

[iron plume]

Hammond is officially more fleshed out than Brigitte

[cunning ledge]

I know right

so

a few voice lines imply a sort of symbiotic control system

[iron plume]

although I'd expect him to say something about seeing that before

[cunning ledge]

where both entities have a part in it

[iron plume]

huh

[cunning ledge]

I've heard "control link established" and "current command: [something along the lines of attack objective]"

also he says "weapons licked" when swiching to assault mode

which I want to take as the hamster thoughts infecting the mech

[last inlet]

weapons licked

[cunning ledge]

as in

weapons locked

also with piledriver the mech often says things like "clear impact area"

as though it doesn't understand it's being used as a weapon?

[minor portal]

I like to believe hammond doesn't have a gyroscope in his mech and when he is rollin around he is getting spun around all to hell.

[cunning ledge]

the internal core is an escape pod

that bit probably stays level

[minor portal]

I prefer my idea.

[cunning ledge]

ok testing junkertown voice lines

I hope the queen says something

anything

"analysing location: hot. dry. unpleasant. ideal for hamsters."

in attackers spawn pregame

now I really, really want to think that the mech ai was forced into this symbiosis unwillingly

nothing from queen at the door

nothing from queen at the scrapyard

gonna try on defence this time

so it seems like that hammond has literally zero first spawn lines apart from control link established

it's just the change mode line for whatever mode you're in

gonna try wp:b now

because of winston's office

there's not a hell of a lot of personality in his lines for most things

apart from, y'know, the way they're said

[iron plume]

well they're supposed to be the mech
so I can see why

[cunning ledge]

there are a few "puns" like "rolling with the payload"

and the novelty of the lines being translated hamster squeaks half the time is great

but there's nothing as cool as "the payload and i move as one" or even just "winners stay on the payload"

at least he's better than brigitte

that's for sure

gonna try volsk for voice lines now

because uhh

mechs

or something

"possible environment warning: low temperatures detected."

[iron plume]

translation, "I could kick you out into the fucking snow i swear to god"

[cunning ledge]

something like that yeah

that was in the attackers spawn

might get something else on defence

oh heck

capped A and got "perfect synchonisation"

i fuckin knew it

(also an evangelion reference?)

got the same temperature line on defence

rip

[ebon laurel]

Pretty sure perfect synchronisation is when you're on fire? Correct me if I'm wrong

[cunning ledge]

possibly

that sounds right to me

[hasty surge]

wait a min Hammond has a Iron Clad mech?

Wrecking Ball’s tinkering capabilities and iron-clad mech

soo Hammond is iron clad related too

[cunning ledge]

iron-clad is also just a general term

it's not saying it's related to the Ironclad Guild

if it was then it would have no hyphen and capital letters

[dire timber]

please

why do people keep reading so much into stuff like this

it's like insisting that D.va is Jack's daughter cause she's technically a 'soldier'

[sour umbra]

I think that if something is iron clad it's probably a way of engineering

[cunning ledge]

or

you know

literally clad in iron

[hoary cargo]

why widowmaker is purple

[cunning ledge]

@hoary cargo her blood pressure and heart rate is lowered dramatically to make her a better sniper

[hoary cargo]

oh thanks

[cunning ledge]

in real life that would kill you almost instantly but somehow it actually works

but yeah

Talon modified her to be like that and become the Widowmaker

it's theorised Moira had a part in it too

[iron plume]

moira magic

[hoary cargo]

wait so moria is evil ?

[cunning ledge]

If collaborating with an international terrorist agency makes you evil then yes

[prisma wren]

lol

[cunning ledge]

in a science sense she's more amoral than evil

[hoary cargo]

k

[cunning ledge]

she also probably killed people as part of the blackwatch squad

but those were probably mostly talon grunts

[worthy rose]

moira is morally grey (as they would say at r/wow)

[dire timber]

some pretty dark shade of grey, though

[cunning ledge]

^

there's a tvtropes for that, as always

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlackAndGrayMorality

[iron plume]

moira is not grey lmao

she's evil

[cunning ledge]

she's evil for sure but her reasons for actions vary

[iron plume]

"she just doesn't have morals"

you know what we call people who don't have morals

we call them fucking evil

evil people have reasons lol

like for some reason people think "evil" means "evil for the shits and giggles of it"

and if you do evil shit for any actual reason it doesn't count

like no, yes it does

[worthy rose]

that's what I meant by "as they would say at /r/wow"

[teal meadow]

is hammond a friend or a foe?

[cunning ledge]

hammond is clearly supposed to be a good guy

even though he's probably killed people in the arena

[iron plume]

yeah but they were junkers and thus don't count

[cunning ledge]

probably yeah

[dire timber]

@iron plume yeah, definitely agreed there

about the evil thing

a complete lack of morals absolutely qualifies as evil

[hoary cargo]

i think monkey with masterchief armor is evil

[cunning ledge]

w-what

Winston is literally one of the primary protagonists

perhaps even the primary protagonist because he's the one supposedly driving the story

[hoary cargo]

when his red it means his evil because red is evil

[dire timber]

??

what

[cunning ledge]

serious discussion here please

Shitposting will result in loss of access.

[lavish solar]

I wish I could add a reaction to that

[dire timber]

what reaction do you want to add?

[lavish solar]

Thonk

Idk if that is even a reaction on this server though

[hoary cargo]

did i to something wrong ?

sorry

i gonna be serious

[lavish solar]

If you’re new to Overwatch lore you did nothing wrong

Everyone here thought you were joking when you said Winston was evil

[hoary cargo]

uff

[teal meadow]

but winston is evil

[iron plume]

just
no

[nocturne crypt]

im evil

[teal meadow]

filthy gravity loli

[iron plume]

stop shitposting

[nocturne crypt]

ure shitposting

so go away

[dawn canopy]

shitposting will result in loss of access to this channel

[nocturne crypt]

im not shitposting?

[dawn canopy]

final warning

then you have nothing to fear

[nocturne crypt]

so what does a "shitpost" consist of

[teal meadow]

do we at least know why hammond wanted to escape?

[short scaffold]

probably because he's being experimented on

[iron plume]

Because shit went down when the non-Winston gorillas overtook the station

[short scaffold]

that too

[iron plume]

presumably he wouldn't fare too well with all the scientists dead

even if he was experimented on

[dire timber]

https://i.imgur.com/Iqdgju2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7xr5pQH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vTY1QXz.jpg

[timid eagle]

Winston does have a bit of a temper tantrum when he hulks out, but relatively speaking, he’s a model student. Especially compared to his other colleagues on the Lunar Colony.

[dire timber]

seeing the apes at the beginning of the Hammond Origin Story was pretty darn horrifying

[timid eagle]

Yeah, and Hammy himself is a teddy bear-sized hamster. What did they feed him when pumping whatever kind of chemicals in his system?!

[cunning ledge]

gotta fit that big brain in there somewhere

[timid eagle]

And I agree. If it weren’t for H. Winston narrating his journal entry, seeing Hammy being the one who started this mess places the hamster in Chaotic Neutral, at best.

And, he could’ve been the one who tricked those scientists and launched them outside the colony, which is just as horrifying.

[cunning ledge]

@warped cypress not lore

<@&397922982632226816>

[obtuse star]

No it's not

[cunning ledge]

thank mr sprite

[olive karma]

You know what's weird. Overwatch is the only shooter game I own that's gameplay has no correlation with its lore in its regular gameplay

[cunning ledge]

well when the universe is more interesting than "people fight each other a lot" that's what has to happen

[dire timber]

@timid eagle I mean, there's not much indication that Hammond has much to do with anything that happened there

[iron plume]

it doesn't necessarily have to happen

[dire timber]

he seems to always just be off doing his own thing

[iron plume]

if there are two sides, and in-game you have restrictions based on what side you're on, you cna have an interesting universe and a gameplay that's somewhat canon

[dire timber]

nah

pointless

[iron plume]

but restricting sides in OW would be lame

[dire timber]

@cunning ledge what I don't like is how the map objectives seem to have some sort of lore, but the lore in question is frozen in some sort of limbo

[iron plume]

I'm not suggesting to add this to OW, i'm just saying it does exist

[dire timber]

like, is anyone ever going to EMP that omnic settlement?

[olive karma]

It be cool if the gave a reason for something like Payload and why your doing it

[iron plume]

with lore that's more than pew pew

[dire timber]

is Deadlock Gang going to do anything with these stolen weapons?