It was just hidden
#lore-discussion
woeful coyote
:3
Also, using the electrical box as a reference we can now estimate the size of the Wrecking Ball
limpid agate
Small
woeful coyote
Monkey size?
valid shell
I'm anticipating a reverse-Reinhardt shield, where the camera pulls back into 3rd person when it's rolling and mobile, and first person when it's stationary.
woeful coyote
We got Hammond hints and a monkey sized ball, id say there be a connection
I’ve always wanted to be the Indiana Jones boulder
Now I can fulfill my lifelong dream
U think it’s a reference to that game where you play as a monkey in a ball?
shell stream
I'm realizing now after looking at it so long, the teaser image does have a lot of "spherical" imagery about it
woeful coyote
Like how sym is a portal reference
swift loom
The boulder might not necessarily be the hero it could just be hammonds main form of transportation
swift loom
Like the ball might not even be Ingame
valid shell
I doubt they would model and animate and record sound for it if it's not part of the hero.
woeful coyote
It could be his ult
valid shell
This is the only way a literal chimp (or dog) could put up a fight without having a health bar of 100.
woeful coyote
Or he could just be in it and not come out
valid shell
^ Much more likely.
woeful coyote
A dva without the demech
valid shell
Also, there's the moral implications of shooting an animal. Winston already triggered a lot of people on launch.
And he barely got by because he's just human enough.
swift loom
How would the ball attack though
woeful coyote
So shooting humans is okay, but shooting puppies isn’t?
valid shell
@swift loom We see a deployed head and gun on the poster.
woeful coyote
Lol
valid shell
@woeful coyote And yes.
That's how it's always been.
Let's not get into this discussion, it goes nowhere.
woeful coyote
Fair enough
woeful coyote
WAIT... did they reuse lucioball physics?!
worthy rose
are people talking about the "rolling through "clip here?
woeful coyote
It would simply be a matter of increasing the weight of the physics model
And... making it able to turn into a mech
worthy rose
thanks
swift loom
@valid shell how do we know that poster is the same ball in the teaser?
shell stream
there's also the accompanying text with the teasers talking about a storm, and Chu's quote: "Not quite a storm...maybe Thunder?" we should consider
valid shell
It has the same tread-like grips on it.
Also, why would Blizzard release a poster of a metal ball and then model a metal ball and have them be unrelated?
That's just foolish.
swift loom
Well not really
limpid agate
Thats the point of the speculation here
woeful coyote
Also... the mech present in one of the scrapyard spawns has K-NG^2 on it
limpid agate
It makes more sense than it doesnt
valid shell
@woeful coyote You're thinking on terms of Blizzard cutting corners and saving money again.
They don't need to re-use the Lucioball physics.
They can afford to make a new one from scratch.
swift loom
I don’t think Hammond is junkertown related
valid shell
And I think he is.
woeful coyote
I’m just saying ball form probably uses similar physics to the lucioball, just without the bounce
valid shell
We'll see who's correct this month.
woeful coyote
So basically it rolls like a lucioball
lean prawn
robot please
valid shell
@lean prawn ???
Junkertown hates Omnics.
@woeful coyote They probably used the Lucioball as reference in testing, like how Orisa was a Bastion gun on Zarya.
woeful coyote
If lucioball comes back, u think we might have a replacement ball?
valid shell
But the finished product will be unique.
woeful coyote
Lol, would be kind of funny to use Hammond as a soccer ball
Maybe some voice lines for the ball too
But to sum it up, my powers of detecting foreshadowing are superb
woeful coyote
And the least likely, but most amazing shot was made
I basically did a half-Court basketball shot with a blindfold on
limpid agate
I would have rather gotten Jetpack Hammond than super monkey ball. But whatever.
woeful coyote
Lol save it for the jet pack cat hype
valid shell
I'm fine with a monkey ball if we never see Hammond except in victory poses, like Ganymede.
woeful coyote
I’m still hoping for the old lady on a bear wielding dual AK47
valid shell
Ecks dee.
woeful coyote
The ultimate was going to be the bear also pulling out AKs
valid shell
Is this your OC Do Not Steal?
worthy rose
did anybody notice the posters/the slight change in background for the new clip
the poster looks like it has mechs similar to the mech seen in junkertown
valid shell
I'm hoping for Recluse.
woeful coyote
@worthy rose no because it auto set my resolution to somewhere around 240p
worthy rose
oof
woeful coyote
WOAH THE POSTER IS DIFFERENT
worthy rose
no it did
woeful coyote
The wrecking ball poster isn’t identical to the one above
limpid agate
?
worthy rose
the background is different from the earlier post
limpid agate
1 sec
woeful coyote
Ball form is much more prominent in the poster on the wall
limpid agate
We moved forwards and panned right
worthy rose
we have moved in the camera angle
woeful coyote
I mean from the poster in junkertown
woeful coyote
Ah
worthy rose
oh wait i cant post a pic of the new posters from the new clip
the ones that has equa written on them
valid shell
@worthy rose Post a link.
worthy rose
give me a sec
this image of the mech
it looks kinda like the mechs seen in junkertown
i dont if anyone agrees with me
but it my opinion
i could be wrong
worthy rose
oops
limpid agate
Those posters exist in game on Kings Row
woeful coyote
Could u imagine what kings row will be like with wrecking ball? A literal re-enactment of Indiana jones
worthy rose
i could see that
especially with the alleys in the second part
woeful coyote
It’s a beautiful combination of Super Monkey Ball, Indiana Jones, and a Droideka
I think I’m in love
Finally a melee character I could get used to
limpid agate
Indiana Jones
Maybe the demand for Hamid Faisal will go up
Just so people can do that
woeful coyote
LOL
Indiana Jones and the Temple I Can’t Spell
A blockbuster in the making
But honestly, there is no way this is not a Super Monkey Ball reference
It’s a monkey, in a ball
Literally the whole concept of super monkey ball
worthy rose
i like the added detail in the clip of the ground shaking
true depth of what the devs/animators can do
woeful coyote
Shaking a tripod does take much skill
I remember that in one of the Star Wars movies they created the rumble camera effect by taping the camera to... I don’t remember exactly what, I wanna say hairdryer tho
I like how nobody else thought Hammond and wrecking ball could possibly be connected
modest cove
do you guys think junker queen's voice disappearing means she will definitely be a future hero, even if she's not 28?
woeful coyote
It could be a case of a dual character hero
Hammond being the ultimate
But that’s very unlikely and the gameplay mechanics of it would be weird
modest cove
queen throws a giant pokeball and hammond comes out?
worthy rose
anythings possible
like the devs didnt think of creating doomfist as a hero until the players wanted it
so if people want someone like the Queen
um sure they will do something
woeful coyote
Why would the queen just stand there like riptide ult if Hammond is controlling wrecking ball? Why does Hammond fall from the sky like a dva mech?
It just wouldn’t work out in my opinion
Maybe, he and the queen work together like junkrat and road hog?
modest cove
it would be hilarious if they make monkeyball just because people were talking about it
woeful coyote
Maybe he displaced the queen?
Would explain her voice disappearing from junkertown
modest cove
could be hammond wreaks havoc in the mech fighting pits and is 28
and then queen is 29 and is looking for revenge
woeful coyote
It’s already pretty much confirmed he is champion of the scrapyard
modest cove
really hoping the reveal is tomorrow morning. i have a day off
limpid agate
Tomorrow is patch day
I think they may be too busy for a reveal too
Wednesday/Thursday is my expectation
woeful coyote
Well, let’s look at the facts:
doomfist’s teasing consisted of changes to that one map, specifically the objective.
We have changes to two maps: lunar colony, and junkertown.
We have an obvious Hammond teaser in the form of the graffiti.
We have a monkey-sized mech.
Unless we are getting the queen too, as a dual hero reveal like junkrat and road hog, why would she be missing from junkertown?
modest cove
the ball seems to be similar size to samus ball form, so it COULD fit queen
i would totally take a samus clone
woeful coyote
Could the absence of her champion leave her without anyone for combatants to fight in the scrapyard, making her scrapyard lines obsolete? Could she have left junkertown with Hammond for some reason? Could she have been removed from the throne, possibly by hammonds doing?
limpid agate
doomfist’s teasing consisted of changes to that one map, specifically the objective.
That was Orisa's, not Doomfist.
We have changes to two maps: lunar colony, and junkertown.
We have changes to HLC, and then voicelines that were missing for a couple months, which could just as easily be a bug.
We have an obvious Hammond teaser in the form of the graffiti.
Correct
We have a monkey-sized mech.
Correct.
Your list has nothing to do with Hammond being tied to Junkertown
Especially since the "changes"
Are the Queen's voice disappearing
woeful coyote
Well, tomorrow is patch day right?
I expect some changes relating to Hammond, in lieu of another Twitter teaser
Perhaps the updates to lunar colony being added to the normal version?
Also, my list does tie him to junkertown because his mech is the scrapyard champion
woeful coyote
Regardless, he definitely is tied to junkertown
woeful coyote
His mech is literally advertised as the scrapyard champion though
limpid agate
I have not been saying "Hammond is certainly Jetpack Chimp"
I have been saying "I speculate Hammond is Jetpack Chimp"
What we have is:
- A monkey sized orb
- Posters for Wrecking Ball
- Mural for Horizon
- Blueprints for a ball escape pod
- Model of a ball escape pod
woeful coyote
The changes to lunar colony... could be misdirection like orisa
limpid agate
What
woeful coyote
Orisa was teased with doomfist’s glove
If Wrecking Ball isn’t a mech, and is in fact an omnic, then Hammond most likely built it, because it looks similar to his escape pod, and is too small to be a human mech.
Also, it is a fact that omnics do fight humans in the scrapyard
That’s canon
And the equal rights posters for omnics could be hinting at it being a omnic
It explains why those posters are there!
woeful coyote
It could be an omnic built for the scrapyard by Hammond, explaining the equal rights graffiti, and the misdirection created by the Hammond teasing
They did tease orisa’s creator in a similar manner
woeful coyote
Plus, if Wrecking Ball is a mech, why does it need a head, and isn’t it small compared to other mechs?
limpid agate
Why would they hail one as a champion
woeful coyote
Romans hailed their gladiators as champions
Gladiators were basically criminals, slaves, and captured soldiers
You don’t let someone you like fight to the death, do u?
limpid agate
The Romans hailed their gladiators as champions. The Junkers throw civillian omnics in to be slaughtered
Look at all the corpses
woeful coyote
U see corpses, I see spare parts for custom omnic fights
All the other mechs have visible pilots, why fully encase the pilot and not even have a view screen? Relying solely on the head camera seems like a pointless weakness
I’m not saying it isn’t a mech, I really want it to be a monkey in a ball, but I like to consider all possibilities
Currently there are only two possibilities since it is too small for a human to fit inside:
It is a monkey mech
It is a omnic
I prefer monkey mech, but honestly both possibilities are equally likely and equally unlikely
limpid agate
Im not denying that the ball is Hammond.
I'm saying that the ball might not be Wrecking Ball
It might be
But it also might not be
The two possibilities are about even in my eyes
woeful coyote
It is, I can see the core if u pause it right
woeful coyote
The core opening is closed and shielded
limpid agate
A hatch
And hex armor
Even if it is Wrecking Ball
Its seen major revision
Like Brigitte
woeful coyote
the divet around it is visible
But the circle opening is closed due presumably to it being in ball mode
Take a look
limpid agate
1 sec
woeful coyote
That’s the core and surrounding indent, but the core’s, what i assume to be vent opening, is closed
limpid agate
Even in the possibility
That this is Wrecking Ball
Which, again
I am saying feels equal to the possibility that its not
The design was massively reworked
The orb in the video and Wrecking Ball look massively different
woeful coyote
I can see the grips visible in the poster though
limpid agate
Not one of Wrecking Ball's noteable features or the Orb's noteable features are shared.
What you call a core
I call a hatch
But its low quality and hard to tell
woeful coyote
Could be the wrecking ball’s viewscreen and not a core
Just a orange window
Would also explain why u can’t see it in the video, since it would be shielded in ball form to protect the glass from debris
Could also double as a hatch
The facts are we have a soccer ball, a spherical mech/omnic poster, Hammond graffiti and lunar colony teasing (with spherical escape pod), and a round mechanized ball that obviously isn’t just a ball
limpid agate
Correct.
woeful coyote
The presence of the Wrecking Ball poster leads me to assume it is wrecking ball, especially since the poster became more prominent and visible after the change in angle
limpid agate
Key word is assume
woeful coyote
It was purposely concealed/hard to see though
limpid agate
So was Jetpack Cat's blueprints in Brigitte's 4th teaser
valid shell
I remember when people thought all the Brigitte teasers were actually teasing a Torbjorn rework.
Good times.
limpid agate
People always come up with silly things
I knew people who genuinely believe the ARG
Was a ruse
And Sombra was gonna be an NPC to announce new heroes
Like Liao
woeful coyote
The facts seem to lean towards Wrecking Ball and Hammond being somehow related
limpid agate
Lean towards is not certainty
lean silo
What if Hammond is a hamster? That would explain a lot.
Like a really big hamster.
The ball. The carrots.
limpid agate
@lean silo Super Monkey Ball works too
lean silo
Honestly, I paused the vid a few times
woeful coyote
That’s literally Super Monkey Ball
lean silo
And the ball even looks like it's made from materials matching the environment on HLC
But it's blurry so I can't really identify
It's got the same sort of greyscale with yellow colour scheme though
limpid agate
Its too blurry. The most noteable features is the hex armor and a valve
Thats the wrong image
woeful coyote
It fits
lean silo
"No, I do not want a banana."
woeful coyote
If Wrecking Ball is Hammond’s creation, it was probably made from his spherical escape pod
restive flower
There's some speculation going around that the Junkertown Queen is actually part of Talon's inner circle, and someone who has a similar hairstyle is shown in the Talon meeting in one of the comics
But why would she work with omnics (Maximillion)?
woeful coyote
Pic?
limpid agate
Lemme load up Masquerade
@restive flower Different parts of talon have different goals.
restive flower
https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/File:Talon_Council.jpg
Near the bottom towards the right.
limpid agate
But
There is 1 thing that she likes that is a common goal with Doomfist.
War
She would be more than happy to fight more omnics.
woeful coyote
Also, are there similar pods found on Gibraltar?
restive flower
yea
woeful coyote
A tweet replying to the teaser mentioned similarpods found on Gibraltar
limpid agate
Not a bad theory
I like it
@woeful coyote Link?
I looked and Winston's pod is different
His is smooth, while the orb has hex armor
woeful coyote
The armor could be an addition for the Scrapyard, since the original exterior was meant for surviving reentry - presumably without making a huge crater - and not for being shot at
The scrapyard has no rules, so guns are definitely in play there
Also, and this is a big, huuuuuuge stretch, isn’t the box that is the Rialto objective about the perfect size to fit Wrecking Ball?
If the junkertown Queen is in fact a part of Talon’s inner circle, why wouldn’t she occasionally ship out her champion to help fulfill the goals of Talon? I’m sure that she could even check Hammond as carry on luggage with the proper animal carrier!
woeful coyote
Lol exactly!
shell stream
so how about the storm/thunder clues? Possible hints for its moveset? Or is it just because it sounds like thunder as it rolls around?
perhaps....Soundquake?
prisma wren
Yeah well that pic that Jewvia posted the hairstyle looks like one of the overwatch agents
limpid agate
Bionic Pecs
limpid agate
Fan nickname
prisma wren
Oh yea
limpid agate
prisma wren
One has a hawk nose
olive umbra
@limpid agate, the guy in the image you posted only has that small amount of hair whereas the person in the bottom of the table in mascarade has half a head of hair
limpid agate
Theyve been depicted with more hair
prisma wren
Maybe.........
olive umbra
true, but that cant be the junkerqueen in mascarade anyway,
prisma wren
Why not?
olive umbra
the person dosent have the platted hair goin down their neck and over the shoulder
prisma wren
Theres a miracoulous device called a shaver
olive umbra
skins dont count, they are more of a look into the past and not a current look
prisma wren
How she appeared was different then when she came out as a hero
limpid agate
Same goes for Ana
And Sombra
Not Moira because her first reveal to us was after her concept was confirmed and she was being worked on as hero 26
woeful coyote
Did Hammond make his escape pod out of a power cell like the one shown in the horizon lunar colony ad visible in the teaser?
limpid agate
WHat
woeful coyote
That power cell looks exactly like the thing Hammond drew on his escape plans
peak escarp
power cell?
limpid agate
valid shell
How is that a power cell?
woeful coyote
Because it says power cell on it
And the ad is about power
U can’t see the text in that pic cause of the low res
This Reddit post includes a high res version of the teaser pic
Or not...
It’s high res when I look at it lol
Here
This is the best I could get of it
The lettering visible says -“er cell”
Which, given the theme of the ad, the full lettering presumably says power cell
modest cove
I'm going to say 80% chance its hammond and no red herring
peak escarp
I'm still going to hold out hope that it isn't Hammond
mostly because I enjoy being contrary
but also because I don't feel like the evidence is conclusive enough for me
lapis cloak
The argument about the junker queen lines being removed in preparation for the release is very convincing
peak escarp
I don't think it's the Junker Queen either
lapis cloak
Then why would they get purposefully removed
limpid agate
Still think thats a bug
half shell
The new clues about Hammond in horizon lunar colony are also very convincing
Our only lead for the queen is the removed voice lines.
And the poster, but it doesn't lead to the junker queen directly
Only a mech that is associated with the junkers
valid shell
@burnt perch ?
restive flower
oh i just found out about the new tweet
hmmm. a ball. i guess junker queen is unlikely now.
burnt perch
More than likely hammond
restive flower
i dont like it
burnt perch
Why is that?
restive flower
hammond doesn't seem like a tank, and he screams mobility creep
burnt perch
I thought so too
I thought he could have the mobility like an ape
Have some type of tech that allowed him to swing like Spiderman but thats just my opinion
restive flower
Spider-Man
#RespectTheHyphen
burnt perch
Oops lol
But I do like this tank though
If it is Hammond perhaps it will still have some type of tether
dire timber
so, the next hero is a metal ball?
half shell
Most likely yes, metal ball with an ape. Inside
burnt perch
I seem this tank as a battering ram for those choke points
half shell
I hope it will counter snipers
burnt perch
I just want this tank to be able to act like a chain chomp on Super Mario Galaxy and I will be happy.
void ferry
The ball was probably a deformed pod that he used in battles as a wrecking ball
near oxide
So someone above said new clues about Hammond on horizon lunar colony, haven’t been here for any previous teases, but have they update maps to have teases before? Since I saw that “tracking” thing in that map that showed that Winston and Hammond where both missing. I assumed that was always in the game.
Otherwise I’d love if it has nothing to do with Hammond. Nothing at all. Just for the reaction.
burnt perch
It's sven
half shell
@near oxide did you forget numbani? They entire spawn was smashed before orissas release
ivory arch
and then it has been the same since forever
timid finch
Omnic hero confirmed
regal coyote
No it is a round whackingball like object, just like Hammond's saiyan style space pod
Lets hope hammond can at least turn gold, or maybe green, if not blue.
Unlikely blue cause hammond is an inferior piece of monkeycrap and even Winston only turns red
lavish solar
When is the numbani government gonna get their stuff together and repair the airport
iron plume
it's not happening in-game
chilly peak
Did you see Soundquake - Armadillo datamined stuff?
chilly peak
People thought Hammond crashed in Australia. But what if he was Soundquake in Overwatch and after disbanding he went to Australia and became Wrecking Ball. Makes more sense
iron plume
what's the datamined "stuff"?
chilly peak
"Soundquake - Skill - Armadillo
"Turns into a ball for 3 seconds rolling in the direction of Soundquake's line of sight. Enemies hit are drastically pushed aside.""
iron plume
that's not a thing, and it's been posted over a year ago
the only actually datamined aspect of it is that something is called armadillo
chilly peak
oh yea, and meanwhile perfectly fits to teaser
besides, it doesn't matter if something was posted over a year ago. Heroes are made years in advance
iron plume
the skill isn't anywhere in the game
datamined or not
there is literally one word
that could refer to anything
dapper egret
That's a ridiculous assumption. Things are iterated on in a daily basis in hero development. The fact that they threw around an idea of 'what if the hero could roll in a ball?' A year ago means almost nothing to the current concept
Literally what
That's not a 'fits perfectly' thats a 'hey that idea we had way back was kind of cool maybe we could tweak it to fit here'
iron plume
there's nothing suggesting they even had that
the "rolls in a ball" thing is brought out of nowhere
chilly peak
lol it wasn't an idea xD they already had this hero internally
iron plume
you're getting this out of nothing
regal coyote
only thing confirmed is the name "Armadillo" as internal name
thr rolling ball thing is speculation
but with a name like Armadillo it is msotly a tank
chilly peak
out of nothing? Blizz accidentaly put into data how skill works and now on teaser we can see this ability
iron plume
"how skill works" is not in the data
it's a comment someone made speculating
the only thing from the data in that post is the name armadillo
chilly peak
ok as I can see, this soundquake thing and description of skill is idea made by regular user
so yea, my bad
only codename Armadillo was datamined
sorry I have a hangover xD (excuses...)
tired tinsel
Anyone else thinking that the release is gonna be the junker queen instead
since they have done the bait and switch for ana and sombra, doomfist and orisa
dire timber
@lavish solar what does it matter
it's not like time passes in-universe the way it does irl
it's just a stage with props
Numbani as it is now is Numbani as it was when Doomfist attacked
plus the payload
chilly peak
I think map doesn't have to be at the one point of time. I'm more like telling a story.
iron plume
no
it's an old-ass speculation based on nothing
terse oak
^
Based on literal fuck all
Can we dismiss any perspective that views this as soundquake until any evidence to the contrary is available thanks
iron plume
soundwave
you tried
dire timber
ionic socket
iron plume
no it just fucks up sometimes
regal coyote
it is weird
on one hand that ball is for sure part of hero 28 if not 28 itself
but if this is related to junker then it cannot be omnic
valid shell
regal coyote
wait think i used to have role too. oh well
you can see the head and chest glowy bits on the mech
tender wyvern
no
limpid agate
Probably
tender wyvern
the poster is reffering to queens mech
limpid agate
The order of liklihood is:
1 - Hammond Escape orb
2 - Hammonds Escape orb AND Wrecking Ball
3 - Just Wrecking Ball
tender wyvern
yeah
limpid agate
Some would disagree and swap 1 and 2
worthy rose
I dont think queens mech would turn into a ball
I mean doesnt it look a little small?
tender wyvern
I mena some people are speculating it could be hammon inside the mech and hes somehow gain poweer in junkertown
limpid agate
But it is pretty much Hammond, more than its just some random loser in Wrecking Ball
tender wyvern
yeha u got a point there snow
worthy rose
Im sure wrecking ball is more of a metaphorical name than practical one
dire timber
a theory I heard is that Hammond dropped in Junkertown
the ball from the teaser is too small for a human
wild bolt
Unless it's like a Samus suit
valid shell
It's not going to be the Queen.
cunning ledge
yeah
that's pretty clear now
guess she might stay as an announcer after all
also the lack of junkertown voice lines thing was just a bug
valid shell
I'm fine with that.
valid shell
We don't need a third Australian, no matter how many thirsty boys want her to choke them out.
cunning ledge
hmmm
limpid agate
29 if ever
cunning ledge
>tfw no new canadian hero
>reeee new australian hero
cunning ledge
I still feel like they could mildly retcon the mech arena into actually being a seperate place which could be a 3v3 map or something
blizzard pls just give us another Necropolis/Castillo
those were great
dire timber
Potential 3v3 maps:
- Junkertown mech arena
- Omnic underground in King's Row
- Overwatch HQ ruins in Switzerland
cunning ledge
I've had a lot of random ideas for 3v3 maps
one was an Overwatch compound basement where half was a Moira lab and half was a section of the training room Genji and Tracer fight in in the Uprising comic
white cobalt
@limpid agate This cable was on the previous patch? https://i.imgur.com/wQN0H4T.jpg
limpid agate
Thats new
cunning ledge
the heck
cunning ledge
I distinctly remember trying to climb that ladder when I first got the game years ago
have I gone insane
white cobalt
They changed a bit the desktop too: https://i.imgur.com/hgZFIyq.jpg
cunning ledge
...huh
ok
I guess there's another ladder in that map somewhere I was thinking of
peak escarp
that cable has always been there
white cobalt
Also why they're using this photo: https://i.imgur.com/XOXFfGM.png
worthy rose
I woulda thought that if a chimp from space landed in junker town that the residents would kill it and scrap the pod for parts
cunning ledge
aha
I heckin knew it
we've been mandela effect'd
although it isn't there in Recall for whatever reason
limpid agate
Fuck it was in game already
peak escarp
I was collecting comparison pictures for all the maps that have changed a while ago
so I've got a few from as far back as I could find
regal coyote
i hope hammond not from aussie,, but sooner or later i want junker queen for sure
someone with a mech and a tough ass evil red sonja ribe is always cool
worthy rose
hey, I can give you the old hlc map if you want to compare
peak escarp
it was supposed to be to prove a point that the only reason maps got changed was for animated shorts (Hanamura for Dragons, WPG for Recall, King's Row for Alive, EPA for Rise and Shine), but that kinda fell apart when we didn't get anything after the Anubis and Lijiang Tower changes appeared
limpid agate
Also Numbani airport
peak escarp
also that
I had Numbani airport as an exception, since it was for a hero release rather than an animated short
but the argument doesn't really hold up anymore
so I dropped it
worthy rose
Who knows what blizzard is thinking 🤷
cunning ledge
micheal chu-oh wait
worthy rose
Chris met- oh wait 😔😔
So do you think that ball is gonna have any more significance than just being there as a hint?
Like could it be linked to hammonds gameplay somehow?
dire timber
@peak escarp I do think there's a Pharah animated short in the works
cunning ledge
same
peak escarp
I think so too
but I was expecting it shortly after we discovered the changes to Anubis
last year, Reinhardt's token was added to Balderich's throne on Eichenwalde in the halloween patch
a few weeks later, we got Honor and Glory at Blizzcon
golden urchin
that cord was never there btw
valid shell
What of Hammond's pod was excavated from Petra.
And Hammond died on impact 10 years ago.
Might as well connect everything at this point.
shell stream
I like that theory
shell stream
yeah but...as mean as it sounds, I'm seriously hoping for dead monkey and someone else salvaged his escape pod
limpid agate
For what purpose
shell stream
scrapyard fighting mech of course
limpid agate
I mean what purpose would a dead monkey have..
Theres no reason to make that a character
Its bad enough we are already getting a second moon animal
Going further off the deep end doesnt help thing
shell stream
hammond might have more significance, maybe plays a part in some animated short helping winston escape the moon, who knows. I'm just not excited about a monkey character when we've already got an ape
shell stream
re-animated cyber monkey doesn't sound too farfetched
limpid agate
There is no precedent for any of that except Monkey
It does sound too farfetched
Hammond being a hamster
Is less farfetched
shell stream
I can agree with you there, but I feel like the devs could come up with some way to spin a serious believable backstory to either of those scenarios
dire timber
meh
I think Hammond dropping in Junkertown and becoming a mech pilot is the one idea that's possible
if only because the metal ball is too small for a human
shell stream
also we don't really know what hammond's pod really is do we? How do we know anything could even survive a trip through space, and a crash landing on earth, while inside that thing?
dire timber
Idk
worthy rose
Winston wouldve had to land in the water
So surely hammond would have to aswell? I dont think even he could build a pod that could withstand being hurtled into earth's surface
shell stream
thats also most probable too, since there's more watermass than landmass
worthy rose
Hey guys, reaper doesnt reload his guns
So why are there shotgun shells on his chest?
limpid agate
Why does Soldier 76 have a pistol
runic prairie
A e s t h e t i c is why
sweet flicker
why does roadhog have that sword thing on his back
peak escarp
it looks like a cleaver
sweet flicker
but why does he have it
valid shell
Why does Reaper/Reyes have grenades?
limpid agate
Since his reveal at Blizzcon 2014
chilly peak
What if Queen will be announcer, like Athena? And in Options we could select from one of them.
More vicious 5...4...3...2...1...
bloodthirsty "triple kill"
or she will humiliate us when saying "Defeat"
flint briar
that would be fun. perhaps for a junkertown arena event of some sort?
half shell
Will there be another reveal today? I reckon there will be
chilly peak
it is possible. Brigitte's final teaser has been revealed day before PTR patch
regal coyote
WHY THE FUCK are people thinking of zombie monkey as a character now.
Sure this is superhero science fantasy, but we dont need shit like zombies here
pure kernel
Clue today bois?
worthy rose
Do we even need a clue at this point?
pure kernel
yes
chilly peak
like what? Hammond didn't survive and Junkers revived him? xD
frosty star
@chilly peak I kind of like the idea of having a choice of announcer
frosty shell
I doubt the Junkers have enough mechanical expertise to make a cyborg
I'm guessing the mechs might've been left over from the Crisis
Also, I'm wondering how Volskaya's mechs work in combat
IRL humongous mechas are generally considered impractical because they would be super slow and hard to balance
Do they transport them via airlift like I saw in that clip from Pacific Rim
iron plume
when talking about science in overwatch, assume anime rules
iron plume
we've seen a bit of mech action in Infiltration
frosty shell
They probably would be useful on the field, once they settled in
We know Titans were used in the Omnic crisis
But we don't know how many were built, or how fast they move
They look pretty unbalanced
Also, where'd Sven get his Titan from?
The existence of Kurjikstan bothers me
I can accept that the maps don't have a 1:1 correspondence with real-world places
Here's a question for those of you who know more about video games
How many video games use actual maps of real-world locations when making their environments?
iron plume
that's a pretty broad question
the Fallouts use overall map with cities/towns and landmarks but the details are different and it's not to scale
Some CS maps are replicas of real places I think
Racing games for obvious reasons
frosty shell
According to this one article I found, True Crime: Streets of New York used the actual map of Manhattan
autumn lynx
Even some of Pokemons maps are designed after irl places in Japan and stuff.
frosty shell
But Kurjikstan just seems so out-of-place
limpid agate
Its a fake country in the stans
frosty shell
Overwatch doesn't feel like the game that makes up whole countries (with the exception of Numbani, and that was founded in the future)
limpid agate
Could be Tajikistan splitting
frosty shell
Maybe, but why'd it choose to call itself "Kurjikstan"?
There is no "Kurjik" ethnic group
frosty shell
Unless the Kurds and Tajiks get together and the couldn't agree on the name
Yeah, that's why they made it up
limpid agate
Yeah that also makes sense
Mixing the two
But
They made it up
So they dont get problems with stuff like that
frosty shell
Yeah
We've discussed this all before
To Blizzard's credit, some governments are portrayed somewhat negatively
The UK government is tone-deaf to the conflicts between omnics and humans, for instance
And the Mexican and possibly the Brazilian governments are still somewhat corrupt
The trouble with my Kurd-Tajik theory is that they don't live anywhere near each other
So maybe it's a merger of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan?
regal coyote
kurds are being hurded around anyways, they dont have a place.
so maybe they moved? and the tajik accepted them?
peak escarp
there's plenty of games set in real-world places that use accurate maps
Watch Dogs comes to mind
it's set in Chicago
limpid agate
Lets see if something happens in half an hour
regal coyote
🤞
limpid agate
Shame
cunning ledge
rip
peak escarp
the last one was posted at 5pm PST, so it could happen later
white cobalt
OW World Cup is more important now
obtuse geyser
Brigitte x jet pack cat
cunning ledge
@obtuse geyser Serious discussion here please
Shitposting will result in loss of access.
worthy rose
serious discussion
overwatch lore channel
valid shell
@worthy rose Explain?
worthy rose
Maybe he finds talking seriously about a fictional world silly
limpid agate
@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access
obtuse geyser
Just a question, does genji x mercy count as lore since Its origins is from a comic?
cunning ledge
Directly shipping it isn't allowed
But discussing what evidence there is of their relationship is
There's no relationship beyond 'she saved his life once and now they exchange letters'
So there is no canon ship
People were coming up with that way before the comic anyway
The canon "ships" are literally just Torbjorn and his wife Ingrid, Ana and her husband Sam, Tracer and Emily, and (in the past) Amelie and Gerard
peak escarp
there's also the valentines lines
cunning ledge
I honestly still kinda think those are just ship baiting memes and not entirely applicable to canon
At least in some regard
But you're right, those are a thing
iron plume
the chocolates talk is a bit elaborate for a meme
that said even as a not-meme it only suggests friendship
worthy rose
I wanna know what junk and road would look like if the explosion never happened
untold cradle
probably regular human beings
peak escarp
only suggests friendship?
peak escarp
the valentines tradition is to give chocolates to romantic partners
people usually don't give friends chocolates for valentines day
worthy rose
Not unless your trying to win a girl over
worthy rose
Maybe genji is interested but mercy isnt?
peak escarp
the lines indicate they both give the other chocolates
worthy rose
"Hey i bought you some chocolates"
"Thanks"
peak escarp
Mercy: I got you some chocolates, Genji. Swiss, they're the best!
Genji: Thank you, Angela. Perhaps you could share them with me?
Genji: Angela, I have some chocolates for you. ...Not Swiss.
Mercy: *sigh* I suppose it will have to do. Thank you, Genji.
worthy rose
It does sound one sided to me
peak escarp
I've heard them in the game
peak escarp
there's a datamined interaction between Genji and Hanzo for valentines
worthy rose
Def sounds like mercy is acting casual and friendly whereas genji is trying to get some
peak escarp
Genji asks if Hanzo got any chocolates, and Hanzo says that was Genji's hobby, not his
chilly peak
worthy rose
Gamepedia is the best for quotes
chilly peak
I hope we will get new set of seasonal events and Valentine's Day will replace Lunar New Year
well, it's not just mine hope
peak escarp
I don't know if Valentines is international enough for them to make an event
but then again, how much of the world does Halloween?
valid shell
The valentines lines have never been in-game.
valid shell
Nope.
peak escarp
cunning ledge
gottem
valid shell
I meant live.
They were on the PTR.
Same with Hanzo's chocolate interaction with Genji.
peak escarp
PTR or live doesn't matter
they were still in the game
it's not like those voice lines alone confirm their relationship
they just hint that there might be something between them
iron plume
you know in case nothing else hinted at that
cunning ledge
if there was going to be one today it would have been a few hours ago
chilly peak
Brigitte's 3rd teaser was revealed Feb 25th, two days later 4th teaser and PTR with her on the very next day
so if Blizzard will use the same pattern, in one hour we will get 3rd teaser and tomorrow - PTR
valid shell
@old breach ?
cunning ledge
if the next teaser is just something else happening to that rialto wall i won't even be mad
frosty shell
In the beta for the game, there were apparently a lot of pop culture references that got removed
*voice lines
cunning ledge
yeah
frosty shell
Like the H-O-single G one
cunning ledge
I distinctly remember Symmetra saying "this was a triumph" among others
frosty shell
She also said "the cake is not a lie"
Also Pharah said "You want me to morph into a ball?"
cunning ledge
guess they toned down the funny le memes for the release
frosty shell
Yeah
cunning ledge
(and then added some back in anniversary)
frosty shell
From what I've heard, gamers grew to really hate "the cake is a lie" by the time Portal had been out for a few years
peak escarp
But the cake is delicious and moist
frosty shell
"To be fair, one needs a fairly high IQ to understand Overwatch."-Moira
old breach
I sell overwatch bready edition
frosty shell
Winston says "I can haz peanut butter"
peak escarp
Shitposters are back
frosty shell
It seems like a lot of basketball quotes were added in for Summer Games
Maybe those were for when you got the ball in the hoop
Correction: the Morph Ball line was added in after the game was released
peak escarp
A lot of voice lines are very meta
Well
They're pop culture-y, which I guess the heroes could know
But it's all pop culture that's contemporary to us, so it makes them all sound like fans of the classics
iron plume
nostalgia moves in cycles
peak escarp
Meta would be more along the lines of DVa saying "play of the game"
Which I think she does have as a line
cunning ledge
wiki says it's datamined
and it sounds like she's mocking athena's voice
so very meta
also this which i've never heard ever
iron plume
ugh thank god it's not in
cunning ledge
yeah it's pretty horrible
peak escarp
There's also a few interactions that reference things that happened in the shorts/comics (Widowmaker: let's hope this goes better than the time at the museum)
Would that count as meta?
cunning ledge
I think that's just continuity
peak escarp
Continuity is good
prisma wren
Guys who is that girl pushing the carts in the retribution comic?
prisma wren
so shes talon?
valid shell
Talon bombed the Blackwatch Oslo base, correct?
And she planted the bomb.
So she's very Talon.
Or at least on Antonio's payroll, making her Talon by association.
bitter imp
I dont get it. Is talon bad? Is blackwatch bad?
Wheres gabriel in this? Is he part of blackwatch talon and overwatch?
valid shell
@bitter imp Blackwatch was a subsect of Overwatch.
I say WAS because Blackwatch (and Overwatch) are both gone now.
valid shell
What.
drowsy epoch
Probably not lol
drowsy epoch
You just have the same name
valid shell
No, I'm not.
I've had this handle for decades.
@bitter imp To answer your question, Talon is technically bad, but all the members have their own reasons for their affiliation.
drowsy epoch
For example Sombra
bitter imp
no further text
limpid agate
Hero - Goal
Doomfist - Start a war to help humanity become stronger
Reaper - Revenge on Overwatch
Moira - Research without any barrier
Sombra - Learn who controls the world, presumeably to control them
Widowmaker - Kill to feel alive
Also Max, Sanjay and the deceased Vialli all seem to be in it for $$$
Seem, we dont know if they have other goals
Well, we do know Vialli just wanted money
That's why he died
limpid agate
No
Its the guy that took over after Antonio
Masquerade: http://bit.ly/2vjz5Ej
Doomfist throws him off a bridge
gray sky
Hm
cedar galleon
We can assume Antonio was in it for the money too?
gray sky
Why didn’t genji join talon
lean silo
genji met zenyatta and made peace with himself
and at his core, Genji's just not that kind of guy
even Hanzo, who Doomfist tries roping in in a voice line pregame, doesn't see an appeal in Talon
it violates his honour
cedar galleon
^^
valid shell
@gray sky Genji just might have joined Talon, if he was still in his edgy phase.
But he left Overwatch before the fall and Zenyatta helped him recover.
worthy rose
Where would a beginner overwatch player like me, go to get an introduction to the lore?
lilac silo
@worthy rose I suggest watching the first animated short, the one where Reaper and Widowmaker try to take Doomfist’s glove. Then from there watch the animated shorts for the other heroes like Mei, Genji and Hanzo, and Sombra, etc.
There’s a lot for the lore but watch those and then start reading some comics. But there’s a lot so find the fam wiki page it helped me a lot
worthy rose
Thx
valid shell
@worthy rose Check the pins.
worthy rose
Oh wow I have a lot of catching up to do! Thanks!
worthy rose
Id assume that sanjay wants vishkar to expand globally
Ya know, world domination blah blah
hasty surge
so it's definitely hammond?
half shell
No we dont know anything more than 2 days ago. They haven't hinted anything since.
hasty surge
hmm?
half shell
There a still a big chance it will be Hammond. There isn't anything that proves it be otherwise really
dire timber
I mean, I think people are a bit too sure of that
all we've seen so far is a metal ball
cunning ledge
there's still a chance it's the queen mech or whatever
can't be sure of anything right now
cunning ledge
that's assuming the ball is the actual hero
half shell
I was very skeptical about people being sure it was Brigitte last time, even after the 3rd hint. I thought it was just too obvious.
I dunno we're just still not sure ¯_(ツ)_/¯
turbid garnet
Can some one explain to me who Liao is
vivid osprey
....
dire timber
a name
allegedly part of the original Overwatch strike team
might no longer be canon
worthy rose
we'll see how it will turn out
there's a chance it will be a huge disappoinment, or a character no one thought that will come
hmm
chilly peak
Wild speculation: it will be Junker Queen with 3 ultimates (like old Symmetra, press Q again to choose another ult).
And she can summon:
-Bludger
-Kelvin 506
-Wrecking Ball
round torrent
Hmmm... interesting
serene olive
next hero is going to be jetpack cat
dire timber
wew
you know, I did consider the idea of an animal inside a mech a while back
though not hamster specifically
chilly peak
here we go
reef river
omg
Ahahahahaha
Blizzard: “Jetpack cat doesn’t fit into overwatch world.”
Also blizzard: “hold my beer.”
dire timber
I thought about a mech as an alternative to the jetpack, actually
a jetpack cat would have too small a hitbox
dapper egret
I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY TWO DAYS AGO, SEARCH 'g-force memes will never die'
TOLD ALL OF YOU
NONE OF YOU LISTENED
rain flame
wow
mild minnow
A hamster? wth
scenic vale
Yup check overwatch Twitter
iron plume
team 4 is officially shitposting
half shell
Who is team 4?
worthy rose
a heckin' hamster
severe oxide
What the fuck?
dapper egret
So everyone is saying jetpack cat is impossible due to hitboz being terrible but get this: jetpack tiger
severe oxide
Get this: jetpack Egyptian/Canadian woman
severe oxide
The hamster?
hasty surge
yes
severe oxide
Most likely
severe oxide
Yep
hasty surge
time to push brigitte aside
anyways back to lore
I like how this pushes winston's lore ahead
finally the latest thing isn't orisa anymore
modest cove
The one odd thing is... Is this the first time theyve revealed a hero without giving any info like name/abilities?
hollow kernel
What the actual fuck blizzard
timid eagle
I want to pinch those chubby cheeks! :3
hollow kernel
what does it do after getting destroyed
timid eagle
But I want to more know about this guys backstory.
modest cove
Some people think he is junker queen's ult. Its a big stretch but would explain why we havent gotten an intro video or name yet
timid eagle
Could they reveal two heroes today?
hollow kernel
I wish the hamster was a joke
timid eagle
Because a jumped up ape from the moon is more plausible. /s
hollow kernel
I want a damn chimp
white cobalt
Carrots
valid shell
Sure, me and @limpid agate brought up rabbits a couple times, but still.
white cobalt
Tiny cage
heady flint
goodness hammond makes me sad. why jeff??
white cobalt
I was thinking a Hamster is tiny to be a hero
white cobalt
Also that could explain why nobody was worried about Hammond
valid shell
Yup.
Me and Jew were right. People would care about a missing monkey.
Not a missing rodent.
valid shell
Better than a poor man's Winston.
worthy rose
Even in that omnidroid i cant take the little thing seriously
How the heck would he build it? He doesnt have hands like we and primates do
valid shell
@rancid totem That's what this probably is.
rancid totem
Good
valid shell
He's called 'The Champion', which confirms he's Wrecking Ball.