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limpid agate
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Still rolling on

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The two being one and the same

cerulean widget
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jetapack cat never had any ground tho. that was just community hype

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hammonds name is all over stuff and literally a picture of asmall monkey was the leak

limpid agate
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What leak

cerulean widget
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the teaser from ow twitter

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go look at it

limpid agate
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Thats not a leak

cerulean widget
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excuse my verbage but you know what i mean

limpid agate
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No, I dont. People like bringing up fake Hammond leaks often enough

cerulean widget
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plus the changes to horizon and the secret monkey compartment?

lean silo
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Jetpack Cat was a joke iirc

cobalt cipher
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There are too many clues pointing to Hammond to think that Queen will be next

limpid agate
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Yes, Jetpack Cat was a joke, where they said "We had this concept, but it was too silly to fit in the universe"

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Solution

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Make Hammond the concept

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Now it fits

cobalt cipher
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Although I wish Blizz does something with her, I really liked her posters

limpid agate
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Especially in two ways:
1 - We don't know what animal Hammond is.
2 - Jetpack Cat doesn't have to be a cat.

cobalt cipher
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We do know

limpid agate
cobalt cipher
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Chimpanzee if I remember correctly

limpid agate
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Nice guess

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But we dont know

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We have never seen hammond or been told what animal he is

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He could just as easily be a different type of monkey or ape

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Or not a primate at all

ebon laurel
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Yeah, everyone just assumes he's a chimp

cerulean widget
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he is refferenced as one of the smaller test subjects in the horizon document and they are specifically testing on primates

limpid agate
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Interestingly

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The mural in the teaser shows a dog

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A dog is a smaller test subject as well

cerulean widget
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and two chimps? one depicted in space

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?

ebon laurel
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I just don't think a dog would eat bananas

limpid agate
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Its not two chimps

cerulean widget
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i think youre pulling at hairs

limpid agate
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Its 1 chimp and 1 ape

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One has a tail 1 doesnt

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Its again

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2 different animals

cerulean widget
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both primates, neither dogs or cats

cobalt cipher
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Hammond escaped through vents

cerulean widget
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i appreciate your devils advocacy buy you are just being a naysayer for the sake of naysaying at this point.

limpid agate
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All I am saying is

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We dont know what he is

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Most likely some kind of primate

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But its not impossible for him to be something else

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Furthermore, he could be a chimp, and just as easily still be Jetpack Cat

lean silo
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I would think he's a primate but for one detail

limpid agate
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Which was my original point

cerulean widget
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its possible for them to ship mcree/hanzo but not at all likely

limpid agate
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Hammond and Jetpack Cat are, I believe, the same character

lean silo
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And that's the cage

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Well then he would be Jetpack Chimp

limpid agate
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Thats fine

lean silo
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PLOT TWIST IT WAS BRIGITTE'S CAT

limpid agate
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Jetpack Cat doesnt have to be a cat

lean silo
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That would be terrifying

limpid agate
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They've shown us concepts of Jetpack Cat being other animals

lean silo
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Having Hammond be the pet of another character

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Just lurking unseen

limpid agate
cobalt cipher
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It is suggested that he escaped through ventilation system, and one would need thumbs to do that

lean silo
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The entire time

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i mean a different animal could easily possess some sort of augmentation

cerulean widget
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2/6 of those are chimps, again making your outcome less likely

limpid agate
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Which outcome

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You need to be more specific

cerulean widget
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I appreciate the stimulation of your idea but at this point we are coming too close to assume anything else.

limpid agate
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Im not sure if you are stil ltalking about hammond being a non-primeate

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Which I dont give a shit about, really. He can be anything but is probably some kind of monkey

cerulean widget
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That hammond is indeed- 1 a chimp 2 the next hero and 3 modeled after a mobile jetpack like kit

limpid agate
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Or if youre talking about jetpack hammond not being likely

lean silo
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I just badly want another animal because I dislike chimps.

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...

limpid agate
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Okay. Why do you disagree with taht

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That Hammond cant be a jetpack wearing animal

lean silo
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So you say Jewvia is playing devil's advocate when there is ample evidence to it?

cerulean widget
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Those are the facts we have to work with and saying hammond could be a dog at this point is moving away from logical forethought

limpid agate
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Fuck the dog

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Move off from the dog

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I dont care about the dog

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The important thing

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Is Jetpack Hammond

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What is wrong with Jetpack Hammond

cerulean widget
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Jetpack monkey hammond

ebon laurel
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Was about to ask why this discussion is so serious, then I remembered the channel description

cerulean widget
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we basically have monkey confirmed

limpid agate
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So whats wrong with Jetpack Hammond

lean silo
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I doubt the character itself would have that in the design but it would be a gameplay element either way

limpid agate
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It doesnt need to be specifically one of those 2 monkeys

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As long as Hammond has a jetpack

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Congratulations

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You inherited Jetpack Cat

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He doesnt need to be a cat

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He doesnt need to be some free flying flamethrower chimp

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So long as Hammond is a small animal with a jetpack

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He is jetpack cat

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So whats the problem with my theory

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Which Ive been saying for a long time now, not just since recent things. Ive been saying Jetpack Hammond for 28 ever since Brig dropped

lean silo
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Bit like they introduced Efi then kinda proxied her through Orisa instead, even though in this case Orisa is her own char

limpid agate
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And the past month has only further pushed me towards thinking its gonna be Hammond

peak escarp
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if they decided a cat with a jetpack was too silly for Overwatch, why would a chimp/monkey/whatever with a jetpack be any better?

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we already have an ape with a jetpack

limpid agate
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@lean silo The thing is, Efi's debut explicitly had her talking about her inspiration of the OR15s, her being a genius robotics girl, and how she had a secret project she was gonna build

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Whereas Hammond is just

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Small missing animal

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@peak escarp The silly part is the cat aprt

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There is no precedent

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For a second animal hero

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Hammond is the second animal hero

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If Hammond is 28

peak escarp
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which is why I don't think they'll give us another animal hero

limpid agate
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He will most likely be given that kit

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BUT, lets say they did.

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And lets say

peak escarp
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Winston is human enough to work

limpid agate
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It was Hammond

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Would you then agree

peak escarp
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and any animal too much like Winston would be redundant

limpid agate
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IF we were explicitly told, we are getting Hammond as a hero. Would you then agree he would most likely inherit Jetpack Cat's concept?

peak escarp
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no

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why should he have a jetpack? other people argued for him to have a mech

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they've got about as much credibility as the jetpack idea

lean silo
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i mean people are arguing that Queen should have a mech so having two mechs in a row would be weird

limpid agate
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Why should he have a mech? There is:
A: No known Mech Cat concept
B: Junkerqueen on the horizon, another mech champ

lean silo
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^

peak escarp
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or maybe Hammond was found by Talon and given upgrades like the Heavy from Retribution?

lean silo
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Is the Heavy even a person

valid shell
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Wuh.

peak escarp
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or Sanjay made him a hard light suit

valid shell
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Why do people keep trying to put Hammond into Talon.

lean silo
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Is Hammond even Talon? That's all judt speculation

peak escarp
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those ideas have as much credibility as anything else

valid shell
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It's not even speculation, it's a crack theory.

lean silo
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Answered my own question

peak escarp
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we know nothing about what Hammond could be

limpid agate
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Those ideas have 0 background

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Jetpack Hammond admittedly has low ground

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But low

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Is still some

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And its ground is a year of Blizzard memeing about Jetpack Cat

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And how it being a literal cat would be too silly

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Solution: Its not a cat its a second monkey

valid shell
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It's mostly the fact that both Hammond and Jetpack cat are unresolved teases within the same bracket that could be combined.

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Hammond somehow falling into Talon and getting??? turned into a Heavy?????????

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Is baseless.

lean silo
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I mean it's a small animal

peak escarp
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Jetpack cat has been resolved

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it was used as a nod in Brigitte's release

valid shell
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Like how Doomfist was used as a nod in Orisa's release?

limpid agate
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^

valid shell
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And then we got Doomfist anyways?

peak escarp
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Doomfist was a thing since the 2014 trailer

limpid agate
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And Jetpack Cat was a thing since 2015 Blizzcon

valid shell
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Just a name and a glove.

limpid agate
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Whats your point

lean silo
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But I mean he was always just a background character

limpid agate
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The time frame is identical

lean silo
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He turned into basically a glove in the Numbani payload

limpid agate
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Just shifted 1 year over

valid shell
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Doomfist was never intended to ever be playable when he was first mentioned.

lean silo
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Then they released him

valid shell
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Listen - nobody wants a fucking jetpack animal less than me, but pretending that Jetpack Cat has 0 precedent to become playable is just foolishness.

limpid agate
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I dont even want Jetpack Hammond

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Believe it or not

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Im saying, I believe that is the most likely outcome to come out of the July hero

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And I've been saying that for 4 months now

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Im sure everyone here is sick of hearing me repeat myself on this shit. I know I am

white cobalt
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Changing a bit the topic, the telescope in the PTR changed locations?

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i mean in Horizon

peak escarp
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then why do you keep saying it?

limpid agate
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What am I supposed to do

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NOT speculate hero 28

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Discuss new lore

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@white cobalt Did it?

lean silo
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It's still in attacker spawn.

white cobalt
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Im asking, because i'm remembering the landing points

limpid agate
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Ill check ptr

valid shell
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That's proactive!

limpid agate
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I think its the same though.

valid shell
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Much more helpful than "how old is mercy?????" when there's multiple sites that can tell you.

limpid agate
white cobalt
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Oh, they're the same, i was expecting a change on it. Like Hammond landing in another site or if he was stickied to Winston

white cobalt
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Also the footprints are 2 different sizes right?

peak escarp
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hands and feet

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large apes walk on their knuckles

white cobalt
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Yeah

peak escarp
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yeah, there's two sets of prints there

white cobalt
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a pair of feets are big like a gorilla

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and the others are more tiny

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Im wondering if those are from Winston and Hammond or maybe the other specimens which are shown in their security cameras.

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Winston doesn't have a cage like Hammond.

worthy rose
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rank. zarya

valid shell
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@worthy rose ?

peak escarp
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Zarya is a sergeant, if that's what you're asking

peak escarp
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Someone said it would be Wrecking Ball?

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Looks like they might have been right

worthy rose
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does this make the dog hero joke possible

shell stream
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lorewise, do the scrapyard mechs have pilots? Or are they autonomous?

untold cradle
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pilots

swift loom
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theres a frame which you can see a slight glimspe of something that may look like a spacesuit curled up

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hammond = armadillo confirmed

worthy rose
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Could be pangolin

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Or a robot hedgehog/echidna

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Cuz those animals go on a ball like form

swift loom
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hm

worthy rose
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@worthy rose gotta go fast m8

swift loom
scenic vale
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Is it not wrecking ball?

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Idk I just assumed it was

swift loom
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it doesnt seem like it

untold cradle
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looks too small and too advanced tbh

shell stream
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that was my first reaction too, that's actually a weapon rolling by, not the champion

swift loom
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the weapon does seem quite large though

scenic vale
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I’m gonna go watch it a few more times

shell stream
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could be an ult, sends a big ass wrecking ball across the map

untold cradle
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the lights on the ball look like some sort of door

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ejection for whatever is inside?

swift loom
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i have a feeling it might be hammond related

untold cradle
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it has to be

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small chimp is the only thing that could fit into that

swift loom
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hammond could pilot the ball like the balls in jurassic world

untold cradle
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if we are assuming that this is some sort of pod/mech

swift loom
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another dva style character perhaps?

untold cradle
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i mean that's what many people suspected JT queen to be

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it might be that this is just what hammond uses

valid shell
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Queen is confirmed to be a mech pilot.

scenic vale
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So guys hear me out. The teases we are getting could be set in the past and the thing rolling by is Winston’s escape pod rolling by and the big reveal ks Hammond

valid shell
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Though looking at the mechs idling in Junkertown, it's likely more of a Ripley from Alien-style exosuit over a D.Va-esque MEKA.

lean silo
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Why would an escape pod with visible blueprints roll

untold cradle
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i don't suspect this to be a mech pilot; its probably just what the character inside the sphere uses to traverse

lean silo
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And yeah I don't think Junkertown would have such smooth mechs like South Korea does

worthy rose
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@valid shell I thought its a bit like the one which was in elysium

swift loom
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jeff did state a while back that there would be news for korean viewers

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perhaps hammond lands in korea?

swift loom
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i dont think it's junkerqueen related

scenic vale
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Me either

untold cradle
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its just not JTQ related

sweet flicker
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plot twist: its someone nobody knows abt

untold cradle
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another moira?

swift loom
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@sweet flicker you have a point

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jeff hasnt stated anything about the hero

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he hasnt said that they have been hinted at

sweet flicker
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just a 100% random

scenic vale
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When do you guys think the character will be revealed?

untold cradle
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i still think that signs are pointing to hammond being the next hero

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there's just been too much stuff pointing at his reveal such as the changes and hints on horizon

sweet flicker
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i could see that. what did the blueprints for hammonds pod look like again?

swift loom
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we get to see winstons pod but not hammonds

shell stream
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Wrecking Ball being a scrapyard contender (and reigning champ?) is too much of a coincidence to me for this to be hammonds pod

sweet flicker
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tbh i like the idea of the wrecking ball

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i imagine they would be highly mobile

swift loom
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the concept seems a little rough

scenic vale
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Would the wrecking ball be an omnic or controlled by a human though

untold cradle
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notice on the right

sweet flicker
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ok so you know the rocketship and rubix cube thing

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is the rubix cube spherical enough for us to assume thats like

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the example hammond used for his pod

worthy rose
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it's rubik's cube

sweet flicker
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bc it was the closet thing to a circle he could find

shell stream
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judging by the poster, the mech itself looks like its a ball shape. Even has lights on it

sweet flicker
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but like its more than 6 sides on the cube

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so not exactly cube

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but

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shape?

worthy rose
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it's a 3x3 cube

sweet flicker
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go to 2:10

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and pause

untold cradle
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tbh it just seems like it's hammond's time

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unless he is another red herring, i strongly believe that its gonna be hammond

worthy rose
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It's probably a jebait

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Cuz every other hero is a bait

scenic vale
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Imagine if they threw 2 heroes at us at once to truly through us off haga

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I’d love that

valid shell
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@worthy rose ?

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How so.

scenic vale
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Throw*

sweet flicker
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that would throw the meta off so much tho i think

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2 at once

scenic vale
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True

sweet flicker
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the chaos

untold cradle
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even the sticky note design that hammond put near winston's blueprints is similar to what we see in the teaser

dense estuary
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So a big metal ball in the latest tweet.

scenic vale
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Lucioball 3

sweet flicker
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i didnt even see the sticky note

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thats a good point

untold cradle
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its hammond's time folks

sweet flicker
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inb4 hammond is a rip off winston, just the same everything but tiny

lean silo
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lmfao

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even the same model

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discount Winston

sweet flicker
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his ult "primal anger"

valid shell
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Less memes please guys.

dense estuary
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I’d rather see the junker queen if anything because of all the Mad Max shoutouts they could do.

worthy rose
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People thought sombra then it was ana then it was sombra then they show of EFI and they brought beetle then we get df and then we were like who is the next hero and we were looking at sanjay

valid shell
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But.

worthy rose
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And so on

untold cradle
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so hammond primarily uses his pod for traversal?

valid shell
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We already have two Mad Max Australians.

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Why would Queen change anything.

untold cradle
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or is that just a tease?

valid shell
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@untold cradle There's no uses. He used his pod to hitch a ride on Winston's.

worthy rose
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Not gonna fix all the autocorrect

untold cradle
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so just a tease

valid shell
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Moreso an explanation to how he got onto earth.

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Because reentry from the moon is a complex process, and they can't just handwave it when Winston's escape is so significant.

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So they rolled both their escapes into one.

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A good move on Blizz's part.

shell stream
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looks like maybe hammond's pod landed near junkertown, and somehow ends up being repurposed into a fighting mech - Wrecking Ball

untold cradle
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makes sense

valid shell
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@shell stream I doubt it.

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Australia and Europe are hardly close.

untold cradle
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at this point JTQ is probably 29

reef river
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oh dang. y'all see the new teaser from today?

untold cradle
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the sphere we see in the teaser is too advanced for JT technology

shell stream
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hammond's pod could have detached at any point during the ride back to earth

worthy rose
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that ball is similar to the kugelpanzer (spherical tank)

untold cradle
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but wrecking ball is the champion of the JT mech fights, and its been confirmed that JTQ is a mech champion

dense estuary
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Main problem is if the pod detached before the entry burn it would probably have been going too fast

untold cradle
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so its assumed that WB is her mech

sweet flicker
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but in the teaser it landed in like rialto (thats where the scene is, right?)

valid shell
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Nope.

sweet flicker
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the pod

valid shell
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Queen is a previous mech champion. Wrecking Ball is the CURRENT champion.

untold cradle
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yikes

dense estuary
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Then again the setting antigravity so maybe returns no longer have scheduled burns.

untold cradle
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i still think its unlikely that hammond dropped into JT though

valid shell
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Same.

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FORMER gladiatorial mech champion.

untold cradle
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ah

valid shell
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Of course, Wrecking Ball having the moniker 'THE Champion' might also be because it was a champion at some point, but that's less likely.

shell stream
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@sweet flicker I don't think the teaser is actually rialto... I think they just took a section of wall they thought no one would recognize and put some new objects on it specifically for this teaser

valid shell
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Honestly, all the heroes on deck don't make sense for Blizzard's established pattern. They all have too much exposure.

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This next hero should be an Orisa or a Moira, an unknown hero with very little teasing used to fill gameplay or story niches.

sweet flicker
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i just remember hearing smth abt it was like from rialto so i just assumed that. my bad.

untold cradle
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yeah its just a section from one of rialto's walls

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doesn't necessarily mean that it is rialto

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as an area

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or setting

valid shell
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Honestly, they likely didn't have a stretch of wall in King's Row big enough for all these teasers, so they retextured a Rialto wall and hoped nobody would notice, but everybody noticed.

shell stream
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it definitely is a section of rialto, but I'm assuming that lore-wise it has nothing to do with it

untold cradle
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more likely wanted to portray KR since anti-omnic stuff

hollow tree
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so... Hammond is a small monkey inside a ball?

white cobalt
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Could be the ball for Hammond? His ship

hollow tree
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that's what i'm thinking

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in Lunar Colony, Winston seems to make a plan to escape in an escape pod, and tie a ball behind it to carry something/someone else

white cobalt
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Is Hammond the one with the idea to attach a ball/ship to Winston rocket

modest cove
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I'd rather have queen than a little monkey dude

ionic socket
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Yes hammond made a model of his escape plan with toys by attaching a hook to winstons escape pod

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@white cobalt

golden urchin
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did anyone else notice the queen doesn't talk anymore on junkertown???

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if you play an omnic, roadhog, or junkrat she doesn't even comment on them

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it's like shes missing

ionic socket
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Yeah its athenas voice now

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Idk but im putting my money on junkertown queen as next hero or someone from there

shell stream
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I'm 100% certain the teaser is Wrecking Ball that we can see in the posters on JT, so definitely connected

golden urchin
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theres no chain or rope tho

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could have broken off though

ionic socket
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🤔

golden urchin
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i don't believe hammonds escape pod would be circular

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because it was the ships escape pod

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why would it not be able to fit a human

white cobalt
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This is the same video but slowed a bit

valid shell
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Hm.

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I had no idea that existed.

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That's totally Wrecking Ball.

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It even has the grippy bits from his poster.

rain flame
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maybe another omnic?

valid shell
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Definitely not.

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Junkers wouldn't let an Omnic compete.

worthy rose
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Why does the original video have to be so low res NotLikeThis

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But a monki 🤔

valid shell
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When discussing Wrecking Ball.

golden urchin
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ok, not going to lie

worthy rose
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What about bigweld from robots Thonk

golden urchin
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it does have hexagon shapes like hammonds escape pod in his room

untold cradle
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the omnidroid pogchimp

golden urchin
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i don't believe it will be hammond

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but we won't know until next week or tomorrow

untold cradle
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imagine if there was an omnidroid like omnic in universe

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would be sick

valid shell
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I've never been the biggest Queen fan, since she'd just be a reflavoring of Junkrat/Roadhog's aesthetic, but I'd be fine with the third Australian hero not being Australian at all, and actually a second moon hero.

golden urchin
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but,,, think about the voice interactions between the queen and junkrat and roadhog

worthy rose
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Well mako isn't exactly Australian

golden urchin
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like junkrat would try to be nice and be like "isn't it great we are working together"

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and then the queen would STAB HERSELF

valid shell
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Sure, the lore would be fun, but the diversity of the cast would suffer with another Mad Max Aussie.

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I doubt that they have the best quality steel in Junkertown, considering everything is salvaged scrap, so an escape pod from a state-of-the-art moon colony that survived re-entry would have a significant advantage if turned into a mech.

limpid agate
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What the actual fuck is this

golden urchin
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she won't be fighting in a mech

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at all

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we will not have 2 mech heroes

valid shell
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Who, Queen?

limpid agate
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The tweet

valid shell
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It's literally her modus operandi.

limpid agate
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Fuck is this

valid shell
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Why wouldn't she have some kind of mech element.

golden urchin
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shes too boss for that

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she's a bad b

valid shell
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Nice meem.

shell stream
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we know the queen is a pilot, but...do we know she doesn't control her mech remotely?

valid shell
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Because then it ceases to be a mech.

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And becomes a battlebot.

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A second mech hero wouldn't hurt D.Va. We have multiple shotgun heroes, and they're all different enough to not step on each other's toes.

golden urchin
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i just feel like

worthy rose
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Who do you think would win in a fight

golden urchin
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why a mech with the junkertown queen

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we wouldn't have another hero that pops out of their mech

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its just wasted potential if she has a mech

untold cradle
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because she was the former mech gladiatorial champ

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makes sense

golden urchin
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she seems so good with hand to hand combat and her gun and spear

valid shell
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That's not the only way a mech hero could work.

worthy rose
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Reinhardt or Orisa

white cobalt
valid shell
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@worthy rose Later.

worthy rose
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K

rain flame
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what if hammond used his escape pod then when he got back to earth lands in junkertown, reuses his pod into a mech and fights the queen, kills her (which explains why her voiceover is gone) and steals her weapons and implements them in his mech

golden urchin
#

it's wasted potential if she doesn't pop out of her mech

#

then again its just rehashing

rain flame
#

just a thought

valid shell
#

Doubtful.

golden urchin
#

that is the worst theory i have ever heard

#

literally the worst

rain flame
#

thanks

valid shell
#

@golden urchin Why not fight on foot and her mech is her ultimate?

untold cradle
#

@worthy rose i mean if we're talking about present day rein then orisa would just use fortify to migitate his attacks and then shoot him

golden urchin
#

omg

#

wait

#

that would be so hot

worthy rose
#

I mean both at their peak of power

valid shell
#

The OR-series was pretty much created to defeat the Crusaders.

golden urchin
#

her mech would function like winstons angr mode

valid shell
#

Watch Honor and Glory.

golden urchin
#

as in it gives her more health

#

but it would take a while to get into it

untold cradle
#

if peak then rein could probably still lose

#

orisa is an upgraded OR-14

golden urchin
#

and she would fight close combat gladiator style

#

in her mech

untold cradle
#

rein got absolutely clapped by just one of those things

valid shell
#

Anyways. As much as I fffucking hate Hammond, I'm putting my money on Hammond in his souped up escape pod and rebranded Wrecking Ball in Junkertown.

untold cradle
#

i guess rein would have more battle experience, but orisa is just a counter to him in-universe

limpid agate
#

I dont know what is going on.

#

But I agree on Binge's opinion

untold cradle
#

the monkey ball actually wasn't a joke huh

limpid agate
#

Hammond in his orb shaped escape pod

valid shell
limpid agate
#

Im trying to load it but my internet sucks

valid shell
#

It looks very similar to Wrecking Ball, down to the grippy bits, and seems to have the hatch on Hammond's escape pod.

untold cradle
#

so hammond actually landed in JT somehow

valid shell
#

Landed, washed up, something.

untold cradle
#

can't wait to see the lore on this

golden urchin
#

where is the wrecking ball in junkertown

worthy rose
#

So I watched a bit of honor and glory

golden urchin
#

i wanna go look for it

ionic socket
#

Probably never LUL

#

Cant wait til they do something with the storyline other than character intros...

worthy rose
#

So Orissa technically is an omnic

untold cradle
#

she is an omnic

golden urchin
#

not gonna lie, her weapon lowkey looks like a sniper

valid shell
#

@worthy rose It depends.

limpid agate
#

tfw the Lucioball was the teaser.

golden urchin
#

or like a saw

shell stream
golden urchin
#

its not lucioball

valid shell
#

Orisa was built from the parts salvaged from robots that are based on Omnics. Does that make her an Omnic?

#

It's subjective.

golden urchin
#

thats a different mech

valid shell
#

But she's considered an Omnic in-universe.

golden urchin
#

or is that her mech

worthy rose
#

Is she sentient though

limpid agate
#

Yes

#

Okay I see the hatch

valid shell
#

Sentient or sapient?

#

Dogs are sentient.

limpid agate
#

And what looks like

valid shell
#

Do you mean does she feel?

limpid agate
#

Hex plating

golden urchin
#

ewww if hammond has a mech and is a tank that would be so yucky

worthy rose
#

Yes

golden urchin
#

i don't want 2 monkey tanks

untold cradle
#

i'd assume she has some sort of feelings

shell stream
#

I'm starting to think that tread pattern on the outside is armor around the escape pod

untold cradle
#

preprogrammed or not

valid shell
#

@worthy rose It's unclear. She didn't undergo some miraculous awakening, Efi programmed her from scratch.

#

So Orisa might not be sapient.

#

Where the fuck even is this on a map.

#

I've been looking.

golden urchin
#

wait

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theres 3 potential landing spots?

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i thought there was only 2

#

i vividly remember only 2

limpid agate
#

What do you mean where is it

golden urchin
#

am i dumb

limpid agate
#

Its what you see through the telescope

valid shell
#

I mean I can't find that landmass.

limpid agate
#

Oh

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That's Spain

ionic socket
#

O

golden urchin
#

thank u

limpid agate
#

Winston considered Zaragoza, Lisbon, Algiers, and Gibraltar

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As landing spots

ionic socket
#

Isnt junkertown in australia?

untold cradle
#

yep

ionic socket
#

Welp

golden urchin
#

watch overwatch pull a moira and just have the hero literally be dr. winston

#

and hes the one that set up the possible locations to look for winston

limpid agate
#

Gonna launch Overwatch and look at Winston's pod

#

For comparison

untold cradle
#

pulling a moira

golden urchin
#

yeah

worthy rose
#

We have seen that most of the omnics in the game are peaceful when you play as either bastion or zenyatta

golden urchin
#

moira came outta nowhere

valid shell
#

That's a bit of a leap.

untold cradle
#

hmm

#

anything is possible for OW's lore team

golden urchin
#

hammond landed whereever winston landed

limpid agate
#

There are 3 details on the ball

golden urchin
#

unless he 1. broke off during the approach to space

shell stream
#

I still thinks its possible hammond's pod detached before landing

golden urchin
#

yeah

limpid agate
#

Red - A valve
Blue - A hatch?
Not circled - The hex pattern on the orb

worthy rose
#

Any violent omnic would be violently put down

golden urchin
#

and, jewvia

#

the hexagon pattern all over it

shell stream
#

tire tread

golden urchin
#

kind of like the toy hammond had attached to the escape pod

limpid agate
#

Yeah

#

PTR is down

valid shell
#

That's still an insane distance for Hammond's pod to veer off from Winston's trajectory.

limpid agate
#

Someone got apicture of the toy

golden urchin
#

the toy is on live servers

#

is it not

limpid agate
#

What

golden urchin
#

wait nevermind

limpid agate
#

No

golden urchin
#

im dumb

#

please no buly

#

im gonna look up overwatch and click on every conspiracy theory

coarse yacht
#

oh my god i just saw the rolling through video holy gUYS

untold cradle
#

kinda off topic, but mercy would probably beat medic since superior technology

valid shell
#

@worthy rose TF2 isn't relevant to OW lore.

#

Let's not discuss this.

white cobalt
#

this toy?

limpid agate
#

Yes

ionic socket
#

Yea

#

That looks like it

#

The ball thing

limpid agate
ionic socket
#

In that blueprint

limpid agate
#

Compared to the hex armor orb

white cobalt
#

like his plan

limpid agate
#

Under looks fine

#

This is also live not ptr

ionic socket
#

Ooo thatd be cool to see a hook

#

O tru

golden urchin
#

its hammond

white cobalt
#

yeah, ptr is closed

limpid agate
#

But the glass has the pattern

#

Probably nothing important though

valid shell
#

Please, enlighten us.

limpid agate
#

If its a shitpost, we don't want to hear it

#

If you're serious

#

Go on

valid shell
#

Links.

#

Upload it to imgur and post the link.

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Or your preferred image hosting site.

shell stream
#

pretty sure the hex pattern - or tread - was put on after the fact. Looks like a junker style thing

limpid agate
#

Probably

golden urchin
#

i was positive it was junkertown queen

#

but now i feel like its gonna be hammond which disapoints me

valid shell
#

Source?

#

Be interesting if the Junkers have no idea it's a chimp inside and thinks he's just a mystery mech pilot.

ionic socket
#

Well they wanted to release elfi and we got doomfish

white cobalt
#

...

ionic socket
#

Maybe this hammond thing is a red herring

limpid agate
#

@kindred pier What did I say about shitposting

valid shell
#

@kindred pier Jew explicitly said not to shitpost.

#

Why did you intentionally break the rules.

#

Why do you do this thing.

ionic socket
#

Oh dear NotLikeSoldier

valid shell
#

Let me guess: Bigweld from Robots.

#

It'll make us all ecks dee.

weak narwhal
#

If its a mech its literally bakugan

valid shell
#

Stop being so predictable.

ionic socket
#

Inb4 everyone gets a keylogger on their computer from random links

prisma wren
#

So that teaser just came out?

#

the one with wrecking ball?

white cobalt
#

Btw, speaking of the ball isn't a bit tiny?

limpid agate
#

Wrecking Ball and Hammond Escape Pod are the two best cases right now

white cobalt
#

Maybe more or less like Hammond's cage

valid shell
#

Honestly, I'm warming up to this.

prisma wren
#

I think its pretty cool

coarse yacht
#

maybe its like a wrecking ball junkertown queen controls if it is her?

golden urchin
#

its hammond.

prisma wren
#

it does look a bit like hammonds escape pod

golden urchin
#

its his escape pod.

valid shell
#

I didn't want just a funni monkee with a le epic jetpack, but if he's got Junker elements applied to him, it softens the blow.

golden urchin
#

his escape pod is circular.

#

he is not junker

valid shell
#

Well, yeah.

golden urchin
#

why does that matter

white cobalt
#

Unless Junkerqueen goes full Samus/Metroid style

prisma wren
#

So?

valid shell
#

If he's going to be a hero, he'd need a ranged ability.

golden urchin
#

why does that matter

limpid agate
#

Theres the possibility that he has ties to Junkertown

#

Possibility

golden urchin
#

how

#

how is that a possibility

#

and laytech is getting banned

#

bye!

limpid agate
#

No that time he was serious

valid shell
#

@kindred pier You're presenting it in a really cringy way, but you're not wrong.

limpid agate
#

^

valid shell
#

Just say what you want to say instead of posting screenshots and links.

#

Use your words.

limpid agate
#

Youre posting pictures from movies instead of just

#

You know

#

Explaining it

valid shell
#

Some of us are on data and can't watch youtube videos.

weak narwhal
#

I think one of the bigger clues is those weird notches you can see in the picture

limpid agate
#

"I think it will be like the Droidekas from Star Wars"

weak narwhal
#

Those arrows

prisma wren
#

So ur saying wrecking ball if hes a hero he going to be a droideka?

valid shell
#

Again - some of us can't watch videos.

#

Use your human adult words.

limpid agate
#

Then you explain.

valid shell
#

"Rolling droids from Star Wars: The Phantom Menace."

prisma wren
#

XD

valid shell
#

If they don't know that, then why even bring it up?

white cobalt
#

Anyways, back to topic

limpid agate
#

Its these droids that roll as balls, then turn into walkers with shields and shoot shit

#

Im ending this argument

shell stream
#

ok wild speculation here -- but maybe he died on re-entry, was found by someone and reanimated into a cyborg ala Genji, and is now forced to pilot the mech in scrapyard battles under the command of the Queen

limpid agate
#

Sounds wild

white cobalt
#

Isn't pretty "advanced" to be from Junker?

limpid agate
#

Him landing in Australia is less wild

coarse yacht
#

imagine that backstory

limpid agate
#

And I still think thats nutty

weak narwhal
#

Where did winston land

limpid agate
#

Europe

white cobalt
#

Makes sense if lands on Australia.

valid shell
#

I can accept him landing in the ocean and washing up on Australia, at most.

limpid agate
#

Potentially Lisbon, Algiers, or Spain

shell stream
#

or even better, had his consciousness programmed into the mech

prisma wren
#

whut?

valid shell
#

Australia is a sixth of the planet away from Europe. That's an extreme angle.

white cobalt
#

Other thing is probably his hook got detached from Winston's pod

weak narwhal
#

Rialto is in italy so hammond getting detached while entering orbit

white cobalt
#

and lands onAustralia

weak narwhal
#

and landing there is fairly likely compared to Australia

shell stream
#

its better than another monkey hero, I'm just trying to make it sound better

limpid agate
#

As much as I hate another monkey hero

#

Its less realistic

valid shell
#

I'm fine with a monkey hero if he's vacuum-sealed inside a mech and only appears in highlight intros.

coarse yacht
#

wait stupid question but was hammond with winston when they entered orbit canon or is that also a theory?

valid shell
#

@coarse yacht He tethered his pod to Winston's.

golden urchin
#

it's not

ionic socket
#

^

golden urchin
#

its literally his escape pod

coarse yacht
#

O

limpid agate
#

@coarse yacht Winston was escaping, Hammond attatched himself to his escape pod.

#

Hammond's escape pod is also a ball

#

Or ball shaped

#

Based on his blueprints and toy model

untold cradle
#

it's hammond with advanced JT mech

valid shell
#

Not confirmed.

limpid agate
#

From his blue prints and his toy

#

Its implied

#

But not 100%

#

We know the Junkertown Champion is named Wrecking Ball

valid shell
#

I'm guessing he'll be a reverse Reinhardt, camera pulling into 3rd person for mobile ball form, and back to first person with legs/head/gun deployed.

limpid agate
#

In before the ball is just his ult

valid shell
#

Ew.

#

No thank you.

golden urchin
#

guys

#

its not the junkertown queen

#

or anybody from junkertown

valid shell
#

Stop thirsting homie.

golden urchin
#

its literally hammond

limpid agate
#

No one is saying its the Queen

#

Theyre saying

prisma wren
#

So ur saying that he will be like you were playing a droideka in battlefront?

limpid agate
#

Hammond might also be Wrecking Ball

golden urchin
#

how

valid shell
#

Wh

#

What.

golden urchin
#

why is this even a speculation

#

???

valid shell
#

Have you been reading the conversation?

weak narwhal
#

Well hammond isn't dumb

golden urchin
#

there is no evidence at all.

weak narwhal
#

SO its not out of the question

limpid agate
#

Ball shaped mech
Multiple posters of Junkertown
Including a Wrecking Ball poster

golden urchin
#

hammond did not land in australia

limpid agate
#

Correct

#

Probably

weak narwhal
#

But its possible he traveled\

limpid agate
#

Keep in mind

weak narwhal
#

what else is a chimp going to do

golden urchin
#

traveled all the way across the world

limpid agate
#

Winston and Hammond also landed over a decade ago

golden urchin
#

so he traveled across the world to australia

valid shell
#

There was no evidence of an Oasis hero also being Irish and also being a Talon councilman and also being ex. Blackwatch and also being an evil healer and also being potentially the Widowmakermaker, but here we are.

golden urchin
#

for no reason

#

when there was a war

prisma wren
#

So he would have a lot of time to do things

limpid agate
#

What war

#

There was a war 10 years ago?

#

Thats news to me

untold cradle
#

hammond landed with winston and just walked to australia or he landed in the sea and eventually got to australia

limpid agate
#

Or he just went to Australia on his own accord

#

For a reason we dont know

golden urchin
#

guys listen to yourself

#

you just want a junker

shell stream
#

or he floated in orbit for 10 years

golden urchin
#

its not going to happen

untold cradle
#

i dunno, what reason would he have to go to australia?

limpid agate
#

I think its a stupid idea

golden urchin
#

it's not going to happen my guys

valid shell
#

Dude.

golden urchin
#

theres no reason he would go to australia

limpid agate
#

I dont like the idea of Hammond being the Junker champion

valid shell
#

Nobody here WANTS Hammond to be a Junker hero.

limpid agate
#

But its not impossible

weak narwhal
#

Collecting the junkrat and roadhog bounty

limpid agate
#

It makes sense

golden urchin
#

it doesn't make sense

limpid agate
#

All the clues are there for it to be a thing

#

@golden urchin So why did Winston join Overwatch

#

For no reason

#

After landing on Earth

valid shell
#

But we have recent teases of Hammond in a ball-shaped pod, and a ball-shaped Junkertown mech champion, and occam's razor, homie.

golden urchin
#

winston made overwatch

limpid agate
#

HAHAHHAHAHAA

#

Okay Im done with this

valid shell
#

O so now you're playing "I was just pretending to be retarded".

prisma wren
#

Winston did not make overwatch

limpid agate
#

Im ending this conversation, moving on

#

That is correct.

valid shell
#

Dude, you have to have 0 chill to keep this fucking shitshow on task.

limpid agate
#

New hero season brings out the worst

valid shell
#

And not post le epik Incredibles pictures.

limpid agate
#

@kindred pier Shitposting will result in a loss of access

#

Keep that in mind

#

Thats why I have no chill

#

You entered this conversation with an Incredibles meme

ionic socket
#

Inb4 laytech disappears forever

valid shell
#

If there wasn't a mod here to keep control it would just be people posting "DAE TRACER GAY????"

ionic socket
prisma wren
#

Pls

#

Stop shitposting

limpid agate
#

If you have a complaint about my moderation

#

DM @sullen pagoda

#

DO NOT discuss it here

valid shell
#

Anyways.

limpid agate
#

Ok

valid shell
#

Moving on.

limpid agate
#

Moving swiftly onwards

ionic socket
#

So did elfi die?

valid shell
#

What?

prisma wren
#

NO

ionic socket
#

What happened to het

#

Her

lean prawn
#

who's elfi

valid shell
#

She's a child.

ionic socket
#

Like ... orisa came out

valid shell
#

Living in Numbani.

ionic socket
#

Annd.. nothing

coarse yacht
#

you mean efi???

valid shell
#

Did you expect to see her on the battlefield?

ionic socket
#

Oh efi lol

lean prawn
#

efi's alive and well

prisma wren
#

Yeah

ionic socket
#

O okies

limpid agate
#

Efi is still alive

lean prawn
#

collecting grant money and playing mother to orisa

valid shell
#

We haven't seen Emily since her introduction, but nobody's saying she's kill.

ionic socket
#

Wish blizz would tell us something

#

O true emily

untold cradle
#

so if we're still going with the whole "hammond is a junker" thing, then does that mean that he's current gladiatorial mech champ?

valid shell
#

@untold cradle Wrecking Ball is the current champ.

#

If Hammond is the Wrecking Ball, it only makes sense.

ionic socket
#

Ew i hope hammond isnt wrecking ball that would be such a cop out

untold cradle
#

and we're assuming that WB is a modified version of the escape pod

valid shell
#

There's a reason Blizzard updated Horizon.

limpid agate
#

I hope he is not Wrecking Ball

valid shell
#

We might have found it.

limpid agate
#

But

#

Theres a chance he is

coarse yacht
#

maybe they took the escape pod from hammond and got rid of him or something

lean prawn
#

i dont think it's gonna be a junker

untold cradle
#

yikes

valid shell
#

There's a ban.

limpid agate
#

@fading topaz No fanfiction

untold cradle
#

ono

limpid agate
#

Moving swiftly onwards

valid shell
#

Blizzard updated Horizon and revealed Hammond's method of escape, which was a spherical pod attached to Winston's. Now we're seeing posters of a Junker mech gladiator called Wrecking Ball. And now we're seeing a fully modelled and animated sphere with the same grip texture as Wrecking Ball, and what looks like the same hatches as Hammond's pod.

#

This is shaping up to be a cohesive origin, as much as I dislike it.

limpid agate
#

Shitposters wasted my clipboard space.

#

Considering it has

#

An actual wrecking ball

ionic socket
valid shell
#

@ionic socket ?

ionic socket
#

Yesh that looks promising

limpid agate
#

They're laughing at my suggestion

#

The missing arm makes it look like, you know

#

Not a champion

ionic socket
#

True

coarse yacht
#

okay so maybe that USED to be wrecking ball

valid shell
#

But it could be used for parts in conjunction with Hammond's pod.

ionic socket
#

Isnt the junkertown queens suit somewhere

#

?

shell stream
#

doesn't look much like the poster

valid shell
#

Nah.

coarse yacht
#

JUNKERTOWN QUEEN HAS A SUIT????

valid shell
#

We haven't seen Queenie's mech.

coarse yacht
#

oh aww

ionic socket
#

Or there is some mech...

valid shell
#

Stop riling up the thirsty boys.

ionic socket
#

Idk i saw it in someones video..

#

Poop

shell stream
#

so what do we know about the politics of Junkertown, isn't the reigning champ the King/Queen?

coarse yacht
#

dude we can be excited for a character, even if they arent hero 28

valid shell
#

Not with misinformation.

limpid agate
#

The Queen became queen because she was champion

#

Is all we know

valid shell
#

The current champion is apparently Wrecking Ball, but the Queen is still the Queen.

#

So who knows.

untold cradle
#

i'd imagine its a scenario where you challenge the current queen or king in a mech battle to become the new king/queen

white cobalt
#

Could this drop Queen like next hero, and left the next (Blizzcon) Sanjay, Max?

untold cradle
#

since it doesn't really look like JT has any in-depth poltics

limpid agate
#

Sounds very orcish

worthy rose
#

Where can I find the Hero 28 Teaser??

limpid agate
valid shell
#

Of course, Blizzard's pattern is unclear and is mostly our own conjecture, but does Hammond qualify as a Orisa/Moira-esque blindside hero? At least from the perspective of pig-disgusting casual normies who don't overanalyze lore.

untold cradle
#

i mean i dunno exactly what advanced politics JT would have since they all more or less has similar values (hate omnics, mech fights etc.)

lean prawn
#

those omnic posters on the left tho

limpid agate
#

Considering I read more people saying

#

"Hammond is a red herring, its the Queen"

#

Than I did people saying its Hammond

worthy rose
#

thank you! that shits crazy af @limpid agate

untold cradle
#

hammonds been left out on the lore drying rack for about a year

#

it's about time they did something with him

limpid agate
#

Every hero so far

#

Has had a different hero asked in their place

lean prawn
#

except doomfist

#

wait no we got orisa

#

nvm

worthy rose
#

Hope we get a tank

limpid agate
#

Ana - Sombra
Sombra - Liao (Just ARG salt)
Orisa - Doomfist
Doomfist - Hammond
Moira - Junkerqueen
Brigitte - Literally anyone else

Hammond - Queen

fringe pewter
#

We need a few new tanks and then Support

untold cradle
#

hammond challenging the queen for the role of leader of JT

fringe pewter
#

Yes

untold cradle
#

if the whole gladiator fight for the spot theory still stands

lean prawn
#

if a new tank is gonna be introduced it'll be more for gameplay than to fill out lore

limpid agate
#

Origin short is Hammond killing the Queen

#

That would piss off a lot of fans

fringe pewter
#

He go ooh-ooh, the Queen fucking explodes

limpid agate
#

Or not

fringe pewter
#

He go aaah- aah, the Junkers die

limpid agate
#

I dont like the idea

#

But it would be interesting

fringe pewter
#

It would yeah

untold cradle
#

it'd be interesting to see what a character like hammond could do to potentially change JT

shell stream
#

I'll keep my fingers crossed for dead monkey

fringe pewter
#

How about Monkey that kills innocent people

valid shell
#

But we can agree that Blizzard didn't model and animate and sound design the ball in the teaser for nothing, right?

untold cradle
#

since he most likely has extremely different ideals growing up in the lunar colony

valid shell
#

It's obviously part of the upcoming hero.

lean prawn
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what if we get a null-sector hero

fringe pewter
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Same

untold cradle
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it has to be

fringe pewter
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Hhhh no

untold cradle
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i don't think blizzard would put so much detail into it just so that it would be a prop

lean prawn
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is hero 28 going to be more gameplay or lore

fringe pewter
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Probably both

untold cradle
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unless we're all getting severely baited, which i doubt

limpid agate
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Queen became Queen because she was champion
Wrecking Ball is current champion
Wrecking Ball is potentially Hammond
Employ orcish power struggles
Hammond Origin short is him killing and dethroning the Queen
New hero: Hammond, King of Junkertown

fringe pewter
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....that makes sense

limpid agate
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I hope none of it is true

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Except the first two lines, obviously

hollow barn
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why cant wrecking ball be he queen

valid shell
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Or Hammond just becomes the Queen's champion.

fringe pewter
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Orrr

lean prawn
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i dont like the monkey as a new hero

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we already have a space monkey

fringe pewter
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Wrecking ball is just wrecking ball

limpid agate
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I dont like Hammond as a hero either

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But thats a shame

valid shell
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@hollow barn Because Wrecking Ball is the current champion, and the Queen is explicitly a former champion.

fringe pewter
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It doesn't speak, breathe or anything

limpid agate
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It looks like we are getting Hammond

fringe pewter
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It just

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Wrecks

hollow barn
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whre does it say that? so i can look

valid shell
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On her wiki page.

limpid agate
valid shell
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Godspeed.

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Noooo don't handfeed them.

lean prawn
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what about the other posters?

valid shell
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Teach them to fish.

limpid agate
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I wrote the page

lean prawn
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specifically the ones about omnic equality?

limpid agate
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What about them

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They're just there for the setting

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It's King's Row

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The ones that were out of place were the Junker Posters

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And the Horizon mural

lean prawn
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i'm gonna cross my fingers for another omnic hero

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considering that they're the only posters not covered up

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well, besides lucio's

valid shell
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Maximilien is pretty much the only option for a (named) Omnic hero.

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Lynx 17 would be a poor-man's Sombra.

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Hal-Fred is a joke.

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Thespion 4.0 could be interesting, maybe.

lean prawn
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something from null sector?

valid shell
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Possible, but Max is a much better option for an 'evil Omnic'.

lean prawn
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would more of talon's upper brass make the lore more interesting though?

valid shell
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At this point? No.

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We're suffering from a bit of Talon exhaustion.

lean prawn
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and what would max do in game anyways?

valid shell
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With Sombra - Doomfist - Moira.

lean prawn
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being a pet/summoner-based hero doesn't fit him

valid shell
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What would Mei do in-game if you saw her first in Rise and Shine?

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What would Symmetra do if you just saw her in her Vishkar uniform?

untold cradle
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I’m looking forward to a new junker hero

valid shell
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Maximilien has plenty of potential.

untold cradle
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Or something at least relating to junkers in lore

lean prawn
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exploring junkertown politics

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sounds like a blast

valid shell
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We already have two Australian Junker heroes.

untold cradle
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Since they’re one of the few neutral factions that have any real relevance

valid shell
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Why do we need a third when there's so many other countries with no heroes?

white cobalt
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Thailand/South Asia or South America could be good

lean prawn
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a southeast-asian hero would be nifty

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more indonesian than indian

valid shell
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Caribbean please.

charred imp
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I want a Laotian hero

lean prawn
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liao-sian hero

valid shell
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You mean Laotian?

charred imp
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Don’t judge I’ve never seen it written out only heard it

valid shell
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Or, hell, I know this is unexpected coming from me, but how about a Canadian hero?

charred imp
lean prawn
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are there any other themes that overwatch can explore?

valid shell
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Sure.

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Give us another Ecopoint that was forgotten when Overwatch fell, and the survivors went feral.

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Give us an underwater Omnium full of Omnics who didn't get the memo that the war is over.

lean prawn
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kind of like the korean kaiju mech?

valid shell
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Sure! Though the Kaiju is weird because we have so little info on it.

woeful coyote
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I WAS RIGHT

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WOOO

valid shell
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@woeful coyote You were close, I'll concede. Cx

woeful coyote
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Best lore theorist evar

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It’s definitely monkey sized

lean prawn
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there's a dog in the corner

valid shell
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It's not going to be the Queen in the Wrecking Ball, like your initial theory.

woeful coyote
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A human can’t possibly fit in that

valid shell
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So that's shot to shit.

woeful coyote
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It’s either a dog or a monkey

valid shell
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...But you were right to think that Hammond's escape pod is probably connected to Wrecking Ball.

woeful coyote
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It is a mech, so something is inside it

lean prawn
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or a really small robot

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null sector

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please

valid shell
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The Junkers wouldn't allow an Omnic to compete.

woeful coyote
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^

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I hit the nail on the head with this one

valid shell
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After a dozen swings that missed.

lean prawn
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wait how did you confirm it was going to be on the junker side of the lore?

woeful coyote
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The junker posters, specifically the intentionally barely visible Wrecking Ball one

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Why hide something if it isn’t connected?

lean prawn
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to misdirect attention?

woeful coyote
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It’s like foreshadowing an epic fight that never happens

valid shell
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Because it might have been intentionally put behind other teases to paint a roadmap, like your initial theory.

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Don't think I'm going to let you pretend you got it in one. B3

woeful coyote
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But it wasn’t painted over like the queen’s image