It's the weekend so nothing new
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
white cobalt
I feel annoyed by the max icon in the game
Like was for a hint or because looks "cool"
limpid agate
Gotta wait another 33 hours minimum
white cobalt
Or like the teaser for "jetpack cat" in Brig origin
lean silo
I thought that was a joke
limpid agate
@white cobalt Cool. Some here argue it deconfirms Max any time soon
lean silo
I'm pretty sure someone did a fan trailer
limpid agate
I've been saying for months Hammond is Jetpack Cat
If we get Hammond, I dont care what animal he is
I've just been expecting Hammond, and for him to have a jetpack
white cobalt
Controversial to be a dog or cat or rabbit
lean silo
I found it
This is a fan trailer but
It's objectively brilliant
You can't deny this
white cobalt
Unless they go full surprise and "hey guys isn't Hammond, but we have Max"
lean silo
But yeah this is what I'd like to see as Hammond's design
If they drop him ofc
and stop tossing us around
white cobalt
I remember when everyone was expecting Doomfist around March from last year, then was Orisa
And was like "uh cool a quadruped, but where is Doomfist?"
lean silo
Orisa was basically Doomfist lore in disguise.
cunning ledge
Serious discussion here please
ebon laurel
Jeffpack cat lmao
cunning ledge
Shitposting will result in loss of access.
ebon laurel
Sorry for replying to that, if that means anything
worthy rose
ewe
pearl wyvern
Okay sorry
But seriously here I don't think it will be Hammond. They never give proper clues and it's always a real suprise when they add a new hero.
cunning ledge
You think Sombra was a suprise after all the clues? Or Doomfist?
digital mural
Doomfist
pearl wyvern
But we never knew what sombra would do. I phrased that message wrong, I meant we never knew how they would function.
versed flame
honestly the lore is a mess who even cares at this point
cunning ledge
Serious discussion here please
Venting about not caring about the lore isn't a valid or useful discussion
worthy rose
look, if you don't care about lore just mute the channel
versed flame
tag me bois
I don’t come here often
@cunning ledge wasn’t venting fam
@worthy rose I don’t want to mute it though
limpid agate
Hope we get something useful in 26 hours
Until then, its just more parroting the same stuff for me.
regal coyote
hmmm... parrot you say?
white cobalt
parrot new hero confirmed
valid shell
Source?
ruby rune
#hammondhype
ionic socket
#junkertownqueen hype
valid shell
Stop.
cinder pulsar
but he also plays soccer
and is also a metal frog
and his picture as a female is used as clickbait for overwatch highlight videos
peak escarp
he's also an international celebrity and it's entirely plausible that he picked up his love of hockey after becoming famous and going on a world tour
valid shell
@bronze matrix Lucio might not spend much time in Brazil considering his criminal status.
peak escarp
he led a rebellion/revolution against Vishkar
I don't think they would just let that go
that doesn't make it any less illegal
how so?
peak escarp
Vishkar was legally given the authority to renovate the favelas in Rio
Lucio incited an unlawful rebellion
what's illegal about it?
limpid agate
There's a difference between bad and illegal
peak escarp
landlords and corporations impose restrictions on people and exploit workers all the time
limpid agate
That line pretty much says Vishkar was the law
Explicitly, actually
cracking down on what the company perceived as lawless behavior
Vishkar was the law.
peak escarp
and they get away with it either because they keep things looking lawful on the outside, or they pay off anyone who would press charges against them
limpid agate
What they're doing cant be illegal
Because they are deciding what is illegal
Thats why its called Lucio stealing weapons and leading a rebellion
Not
The Policia coming in and arresting everyone for doing illegal shit
Lucio is the one who was breaking the law.
peak escarp
not sure about the Brazillian legal code, but Lucio could be charged with theft/grand theft (depending on the value of what was stolen), inciting a riot, and maybe even resisting arrest
he's seen as a people's hero
maybe they can't persecute him without provoking a public reaction
quick bolt
@limpid agate
brisk bay
limpid agate
@quick bolt What
valid shell
@quick bolt ?
fossil sequoia
tracer is lesbian
sleek bronze
That is true
valid shell
@jaunty torrent Don't shill your shit here.
vivid osprey
IM BACK
valid shell
@vivid osprey Congrats.
limpid agate
Serious discussion strictly related to lore. Every word of that has meaning. @vivid osprey @fossil sequoia @jaunty torrent
vivid osprey
YOOO
limpid agate
Final warning
lean silo
I think you misunderstood the warning.
That was not a "welcome back"
Also I don't think anyone actually knows who you are
timid eagle
Has there been any new info for the Shambali as of late?
That organization seems to be the most.... Inactive out of the known groups in the OW universe.
limpid agate
None
timid eagle
Bummer.
prisma wren
when can we expect a new teaser?
ionic socket
Junkertown queen release next week, calling it now
limpid agate
@prisma wren Tomorrow
At the earliest
@ionic socket 28 would probably go on PTR this week.
But they are far from a live release
And it aint gonna be the Queen. She's coming at Blizzcon
prisma wren
Yay! thx for the info i apreciate it
peak escarp
I would argue she has a non-0% chance
woeful coyote
I think I have a plausible theory for the upcoming hero, though it’s probably not one that anyone would like
Blizzard could not have a set order for all the possible upcoming heroes that are referenced in the latest teaser, and have them all pretty much ready to go. Then they would just release the one that the teaser generates the most hype for.
Possible heroes include, from least hype generated to most hype generated: Wrecking Ball / The Champion, Junkertown Queen, Leonora, Hammond
With Hammond being the most likely one to be hero 28, and hero 29 most likely being Hamid Faisal, who is referenced on all 3 of the only maps yet to be tied to a hero (Illios, Petra, Ayutthaya)
Although personally I would love to see Wrecking Ball as a hero
It’s design looks really cool
limpid agate
Hamid is only referenced on Petra
valid shell
I would argue Maximilien has more hype than most heroes you listed, on par with Queen, but under Hammond.
limpid agate
Where he talks about Oasis having ties to Illios and Ayutthaya
Rather than himself specifically
Also, I've been saying Wrecking Ball is the Queen's mech for a while. Both are shown to be "Champion" of the gladiatorial mech arena, but one is a mech and one is a pilot.
Thats my speculation on that, at least
valid shell
And if Blizzard operated on your theory, we'd already have Liao, since they've been discussed the most with the least amount of actual information.
limpid agate
We also wouldnt have Moira/Orisa/Brigitte
valid shell
We already know Blizzard has made concept art of what looks like a human/omnic duo, from Hanamura arcade and other locations like Sombra's bedroom.
woeful coyote
I’m just saying it could be the case for this specific teaser referencing multiple possible upcoming heroes
limpid agate
Ive made the argument that this teaser is teasing just 28 and 29.
valid shell
Or Blizzard has tuned into us being a mess of speculation and is fucking with us, like what they did with Jetpack Cat.
limpid agate
Teasing Hammond again, and setting up the Queen for 29
valid shell
And Sombra's skycode.
limpid agate
Skycode wasnt Blizzard
valid shell
I know.
limpid agate
That was just some idiots in the arg.
woeful coyote
But why Rialto?
limpid agate
Why King's Row?
valid shell
But they trolled us about it in Sombra's emotes and voicelines.
This could be them fucking with us about our obsession with the Queen and space chimps.
woeful coyote
Unless the teaser isn’t Rialto
limpid agate
Its Rialto, but dressed up to look like King's Row
It is literally Rialto, but its probably meant to be London
woeful coyote
But what is the queen of the Australian wastelands doing advertising herself and her arena in Rialto?
limpid agate
They could just be old posters
If theres a Mural for the HLC
Which has been shutdown for over a decade
Its probably not all new news
woeful coyote
Yeah but Australia has never been a part of Italy or London
valid shell
There's plenty of posters/graffiti in places that it doesn't belong.
Like, Soldier/Junkrat/D.Va/Sombra have high scores in a theme park in America.
valid shell
Do tell.
woeful coyote
We have graffiti from South America (lucio stuff), we have the Omnic stuff from England, we have Junkertown ads from Junkertown, and we have the Hammond and lunar colony stuff
Now, since the Hammond/colony stuff literally overlaps the Junkertown stuff, and the wrecking ball ad being barely visible in the corner, it can be said that Hammond takes precedence over the queen
AND
The lucio stuff and ball could reference more info on his backstory as teased by that voice line referencing his father that was added in the update, meaning that maybe a lucio animated short is coming soon. Or it could just mean lucio ball, either way win/win.
THEN
We have the omnic stuff, which could mean anything
valid shell
I don't know what you're getting at.
woeful coyote
It’s clearly from England though, because there is pro-omnic graffiti as well, which would not be present in junkertown
It’s not just A teaser, it’s multiple teasers
limpid agate
Yes, people have speculated that
That its teasing the next few months of lore
Hammond 28, Queen 29, Lucio short.
woeful coyote
And then possibly hero 30 which is related to Petra, illios, and that one map I can’t spell
Which isn’t referenced here because it’s coming in 2019
Also lucioball
Don’t forget lucioball lol
BUT
you’re forgetting something
The graffiti from England
Where does it fit in all this?
valid shell
Maximilien is an Omnic.
woeful coyote
Yeah but Rialto is all about Leonora
limpid agate
Rialto is also all about Talon
Which is where Maximillien sits
Leonora is an artist. Maximilien is a Talon leader.
valid shell
Leonora is also just a poster. Max has shown up in a comic, a cutscene, and has been referenced in-game.
And has a player icon.
Oh, and in Moira's short.
woeful coyote
So if we were to assume that what I think is graffiti from England is just in fact generic omnic/antiomnic graffiti, then it would be the only graffiti that would not be out of place in Rialto, which would make an omnic the most likely candidate for hero 28
woeful coyote
Where is it?
limpid agate
London
They used Rialto
Then used assets from King's Row to dress it up as a "new area" thats not in game
valid shell
There's probably not a stretch of wall suitable in King's Row.
limpid agate
So they can be more flexible, while also using the in game redering engine.
woeful coyote
So the only graffiti not out of place is the omnic related graffiti
limpid agate
Why would there be anti-omnic propoganda, omnic equality posters, etc.
In Rialto
Where there are Omnic artisians like Leonora, or the Opera with the omnic lead
And the better question is
Why are they in English and not Italian
Its supposed to be London
But they used Rialto, and heavily edited it
They even added sound so you could hear the lack of water
Because that part of Rialto is right next to water
Which is not quiet
woeful coyote
I think I figured out why they chose london
limpid agate
You dont need to pause for dramatic effect, you can just say your thoughts
woeful coyote
And tracer lives in London right?
I think that Hammond will be making a visit to an old friend, that’s why they chose London
valid shell
Potentially, except for the friend part. Hammond hitched a ride on Winston's pod without his knowledge.
I doubt they're chums.
woeful coyote
Why else go through the effort of making it look like a London wall, when you are slapping graffiti onto it from Australia, South America, etc
valid shell
It could just be Blizzard's way of making a cohesive teaser(s), and not an actual location that exists in the world.
limpid agate
Lucio's posters are not exclusive to South America
We've seen them in London before
woeful coyote
Also, speaking of Rialto, aren’t the ads for Leonora in English?
limpid agate
No
peak escarp
he had a new year's eve concert in London
woeful coyote
The omnic waiter speaks English
woeful coyote
@peak escarp doesn’t explain the Junkertown graffiti
limpid agate
peak escarp
I never said it did?
limpid agate
This aint English
I dont think Rialto needs Omnic Equality posters.
Omnics partake in the high arts there
woeful coyote
Hey... is Leonora in a Symmetra pose on that banner?
limpid agate
Not one I've ever seen
woeful coyote
It looks like her potg pose
limpid agate
Not at all, no
valid shell
Her left hand doesn't even make anything close to Leonora's pose.
prisma wren
so leonora is an omnic?
valid shell
She's not a human.
valid shell
D'art Omnica.
limpid agate
It really doesnt
woeful coyote
Just lemme show u the pic
Her bottom hand is in the exact same posture, pointer finger extended
valid shell
Why would Blizzard rotate the camera on Symmetra's victory pose, edit out her right hand, change the angle of her head, model the rest of her body, reskin her as an Omnic, and brush it to look like concept art?
peak escarp
Leonora doesn't have her pinky out, for one thing
limpid agate
The only thing in common is they have their index finger out
valid shell
And they're both technically female.
woeful coyote
Well, you just proved a point for me
valid shell
What.
prisma wren
an syms middle finger is touching her thumb but leonora isnt
woeful coyote
Blizzard fully fleshed out this character, it isn’t some reskin
valid shell
Wuh.
limpid agate
I dont understand your point
peak escarp
it's just art
valid shell
When have designs for NPC characters ever been reskins?
peak escarp
not even a character model
woeful coyote
It’s detailed though, like a photo
limpid agate
What about Thespion 4.0? Okoro? Lynx 17? Mondatta?
limpid agate
But he got a full 3d model
prisma wren
no he wasnt
limpid agate
Zen doesnt have a Mondatta skin
woeful coyote
He doesn’t?
limpid agate
No
woeful coyote
Could have sworn
valid shell
Nope.
limpid agate
The biggest difference is they have different heads
valid shell
You just saw convincing fanart.
prisma wren
Overwatch has some weird looking agents
prisma wren
just saying
valid shell
And besides, they're both Shambali Omnics. They're allowed to look similar.
limpid agate
Los Muertos bot
limpid agate
The only one of those characters to ever be reused
Is the Shimada Omnic
And thats in the non-canon HotS
valid shell
No point has been proven.
woeful coyote
The amount of detail they put into a character that appears only in a single banner just seems not right unless she is at least a possible hero
valid shell
Dude, it's Blizzard.
woeful coyote
The whole gallery is an exhibit of her work after all
limpid agate
You were saying
valid shell
There's a shitload of unused character concept art all over Numbani.
limpid agate
Hero 24 will be Numbani, and maybe not Doomfist
People were going on about that specific omnic
Oh Fashion event
Oh Unity Event
Oh Fashion Omnic
Why would they have such a detailed design not be a hero
etc etc
Its Blizzard. They like making details.
woeful coyote
Okay, so to throw us off the scent blizzard slaps whatever it can rummage out of their artists trash bins into maps lol
All this unused concept art lol
peak escarp
not everyone you see in OW will be a playable hero
woeful coyote
Leonora is probably a concept art for a symmetra skin
valid shell
What.
woeful coyote
I mean the proportions are there
valid shell
You mean vaguely female?
woeful coyote
Yes
woeful coyote
I mean it looks like a sym skin right?
valid shell
Security Guard playing Hearthstone in the Cinematic Trailer? Roadhog skin.
limpid agate
They're both females who pilot mechs that have nothing to do with the rest of the Overwatch universe.
Junker Queen is a D.Va skin, that's all this teaser is
valid shell
There's nothing implying Leonora will ever by anything, let alone a Symmetra skin, let alone playable. I feel like you're trying to save face for thinking she was in Symmetra's pose.
peak escarp
where does it say Leonora uses hard light?
woeful coyote
I’m saying she might have been created as sym concept art
limpid agate
We're saying thats silly
valid shell
Why her? Why now?
There's hundreds of unused character designs everywhere.
Why have you latched onto this one being significant?
limpid agate
And if that was true
valid shell
The fact that it's more recent makes it less likely to mean anything.
woeful coyote
I mean concept art for a unused skin
limpid agate
You should just drop it.
woeful coyote
Fine
limpid agate
Youre going further and further off the deep end
woeful coyote
But the queen is most likely Brigitte in a diva mech btw
valid shell
Wh
prisma wren
whut?????????????
valid shell
What does that even mean.
prisma wren
wth
woeful coyote
Since they used parts of her original design for brigitte
valid shell
Who's?
woeful coyote
The queen originally had a mace/maul thingy
limpid agate
Hahaha what the fuck is even going on right now
prisma wren
i no understandy lawrence
peak escarp
we've never seen the queen's weapon
woeful coyote
Yes we have
limpid agate
woeful coyote
That one
peak escarp
it looks like a battleaxe
limpid agate
Its probably just placeholder for now
prisma wren
Its looks like a big wrench to me
valid shell
I don't know why you seem to think Blizzard doesn't have the means to produce concept art to burn, or to make original designs without reskinning existing heroes.
prisma wren
so your saying the queen of junkertown carries around a grabit?
valid shell
We've been explicitly told that the Queen was "just a voice" at the point of Junkertown's launch.
That goes for her art as well.
woeful coyote
She’s not a voice anymore tho
limpid agate
So
woeful coyote
She doesn’t greet you anymore
valid shell
At the point of Junkertown's launch.
valid shell
That piece of concept art wasn't created with a playable hero in mind.
It was just a big tiddy Mad Max girl.
limpid agate
Look at her
This is Brigitte
This is Brigitte 1 year later
This is Brigitte when they decided "Lets make her a hero"
She went under changes over the 2 years she existed
prisma wren
Remind me again what the latest animated short is
prisma wren
So honour and glory
valid shell
Hell, this is Doomfist with his head mutated to fit into his Numbani Successor silhouette:
prisma wren
What is your point
valid shell
That concept art and first appearances are not representative of the final product.
If Junkertown Queen ever becomes playable, she won't look anything like her initial design.
woeful coyote
I didn’t want to say it, but I don’t see any difference at all
valid shell
Jewvia's example was more cohesive.
valid shell
Playable Junkerqueen will likely pull the axe out for an emote and that's it.
woeful coyote
If they add the queen, she will probably be a melee-oriented version of dva, since she has her axe/mace thingy, and she presumably owns the mech Wrecking Ball, which has been shown, and looks really cool.
Plus there are unexplained features of Wrecking Ball
Actually Wrecking Ball might be her ultimate
woeful coyote
Presumably, Wrecking Ball can curl up into a ball
valid shell
Or has a wrecking ball weapon.
woeful coyote
it’s head and upper torso are formed in such a way that if the head retracts, there would be a perfect half-sphere
The top of the head would be flush with the top of the torso
valid shell
Scroll up.
prisma wren
way up
woeful coyote
I don’t think it was actually posted
prisma wren
yes it was
valid shell
Either way, this landscape for upcoming heroes looks like a second moon animal, a third Australian, potentially a second Indian, and a second (kinda) French character.
When there's still a lot of countries without representation.
prisma wren
Indian?
woeful coyote
Don’t forget our mystery archeologist!
woeful coyote
So, I think that if Wrecking Ball is the queen’s ult, it would basically be a cross between a droideka and that giant boulder from Indiana Jones
valid shell
Canada still only has a half a hero (and not even the main half) while America has three.
What bollocks.
woeful coyote
Giant boulder... WITH GUNS!
valid shell
@woeful coyote Hero kit speculation borders on fanfiction, which is against the rules.
Sorry, homie.
woeful coyote
I wasn’t speculating kit, I was speculating the function of Wrecking Ball based on its visible design aspects
It obviously has a ball form of some sort, and obviously has a non-ball form
valid shell
You're speculating that the Queen and Wrecking Ball are even connected, which is baseless.
woeful coyote
It isn’t baseless
prisma wren
How so?
woeful coyote
The queen and Wrecking Ball are both champions of the arena
Wrecking Ball is a mech
So the queen is speculated to be its pilot
prisma wren
This channel isnt for fanfiction
woeful coyote
It’s on the wiki
prisma wren
so?
woeful coyote
“It is possible that the Queen's mech is Wrecking Ball, based on both being hailed as champions of the Scrapyard”
woeful coyote
Plus, Wrecking Ball has hinted at mechanics, unlike the other mech advertised about
By mechanics I mean it’s Ball form
valid shell
How do you know it has a ball form?
woeful coyote
Because it clearly has the ability to retract its head to form a ball shape with its upper torso
Also it’s name
Wrecking Ball
valid shell
The Rock can't turn into a rock.
prisma wren
Clearly?
woeful coyote
The rock doesn’t LOOK like he can turn into a rock
prisma wren
there is no actual proof
valid shell
And Wrecking Ball doesn't look like he can turn into a wrecking ball to me.
So there's nothing clearly about it.
prisma wren
And the name dosent really matter
woeful coyote
@limpid agate can u post a pic of Wrecking Ball here plz?
valid shell
prisma wren
I dont think ur supposed to @ the morderators
woeful coyote
So, as I was saying, the head clearly can retract to be flush with the torso
And now that I look at it, the torso appears to have grips like the bottom of a sneaker
valid shell
Listen - I was trying to ease you into it, but you seem set in your ways. Speculating potential kits for possible heroes has never been encouraged here. It doesn't make for great discussion.
woeful coyote
I’m not speculating a kit, I’m hypothesizing the purpose of Wrecking Ball
prisma wren
Your simply just posting stuff that you believe is possible
valid shell
It's usually one person just word-vomiting their ideas.
valid shell
You began this specifically with saying Wrecking Ball is the Queen's ultimate.
woeful coyote
THE BACKGROUND
prisma wren
U just noticed?
woeful coyote
Yes
prisma wren
@valid shell he actually has a point
Its does look like the wrecking ball
except the head is retracted
woeful coyote
Also, there is a retractable gun barrel to the right of its core in the main image
It has to be retractable otherwise it would get in the way of its spheriness
prisma wren
I don't think its a gun
prisma wren
I dont think they would allow that for a scapyard fight
limpid agate
“It is possible that the Queen's mech is Wrecking Ball, based on both being hailed as champions of the Scrapyard”
Yeah thats speculation.
Its not saying
prisma wren
Yay Jewvias back!
limpid agate
It has to be Wrecking Ball
woeful coyote
It’s implied by the latest teaser sorta
limpid agate
Meh
woeful coyote
They hid the wrecking ball graffiti
prisma wren
Sorta?
woeful coyote
Like it’s a secret to be found
woeful coyote
The design for the wrecking ball does seem highly detailed and thought out though
woeful coyote
It turns into a ball
limpid agate
And left it intentionally vague
woeful coyote
^
limpid agate
Look at this
What do you see
You see a saw
And uhh
A monster truck
Its hard to tell
The posters are faded and tiny
woeful coyote
You see the driver
limpid agate
Then heres the real thing
peak escarp
I see a goblin
limpid agate
Literally just a Goblin Shredder
woeful coyote
^
limpid agate
This is the Poster you see the most of the mech
You see a full cockpit
And flamethrower
Low and behold,
woeful coyote
The wrecking ball is a unique design, and you don’t see the driver
It’s very ominous
woeful coyote
Plus it also holds the title of scrapyard champion
peak escarp
maybe it's secretly an omnic
limpid agate
The poster makes it hard to see what it is
woeful coyote
The whole omnic thing
valid shell
Pst.
woeful coyote
Definitely no automated bots in junkertown
prisma wren
?
valid shell
Wrecking Ball is the current champion.
prisma wren
yea
woeful coyote
Plus mech implies it has a driver, since if it was not piloted internally it would just be a oversized RC robot
valid shell
There's not going to be two more Australian heroes, a third is already a stretch, and if it's going to be one or the other, it's going to be the Queen.
So Wrecking Ball has very little chance.
woeful coyote
the ball form is foreshadowed by its appearance in the posters background
That’s what I was getting at: Wrecking Ball isn’t a separate hero
valid shell
But
woeful coyote
It’s either an ultimate or something like divas mech
woeful coyote
Well she is the queen, if the queen of England asked to borrow your car, would u say no?
valid shell
Junkertown Queen is a FORMER champion. Wrecking Ball is THE champion.
You're stretching again.
woeful coyote
Maybe they are throwing us a curveball?
prisma wren
It feels like Lawrence is just insisting the same thing over and over again
valid shell
What do you mean.
woeful coyote
It doesn’t seem like a coincidence that Wrecking Ball is barely visible in the teaser
valid shell
I feel like you've only just gotten really into Overwatch lore.
Like, at the time of this teaser.
You're putting way more significance into it than it deserves.
valid shell
Lawrence.
limpid agate
Ill say this one is at least less unreasonable than Leonora the Sym skin
But Wrecking Ball is never gonna be a hero unless its somehow the Queen's mech.
valid shell
Yup.
woeful coyote
^
prisma wren
Yea
valid shell
And that's unlikely, because an already decorated mech fighter borrowing someone else's machine is narratively ridiculous.
woeful coyote
Maybe it’s like a secret identity
prisma wren
srsly
woeful coyote
I didn’t think so either tbh
valid shell
As long as you're being honest.
woeful coyote
But since it is a mech, for its pilot to not make an appearance like dva would just not feel right if it is made a hero
woeful coyote
Also... if Wrecking Ball were made into a dva type hero, how would it redeploy?
woeful coyote
If anything I feel like they would make it an ultimate
valid shell
That would make it functionally distinct.
woeful coyote
It would be the pilot (possibly the queen) as a offense hero, and ultimate wrecking ball as a tank hero
Turning from offense to tank as an ultimate would be a very interesting gameplay mechanic
prisma wren
We have to many dps heroes as it is
woeful coyote
Maybe not offense, but if Wrecking Ball is the ultimate then definitely something transitioning into tank
A very fast tank
We won’t likely get more conclusive info on the queen and possibly wrecking ball until blizzcon though
limpid agate
Agreed
woeful coyote
Something that gamechanging sounds like a rather big reveal
woeful coyote
This teaser seems like a upcoming stuff teaser instead of a specifically Hammond only teaser
limpid agate
This specific teaser, sure. I can see that interpretation
But if
In 12 hours
They release another Hammond teaser
I highly doubt its gonna have the queen in there too
woeful coyote
Yeah
And if it does... and that is a big IF, then we might be getting two heroes!
But that’s unlikely
peak escarp
we are getting 2 more heroes this year
limpid agate
They did it for Mei/Dva/Genji
peak escarp
just not at the same time
woeful coyote
What if Hammond pilots Wrecking Ball?
limpid agate
For what purpose
woeful coyote
Well he is supposedly a lot smaller than Winston, and there doesn’t look like much room inside Wrecking Ball for a normal sized pilot
limpid agate
Youre stretching again
If you have nothing to back it up on
Its a huge stretch that makes no sense
Hammond has no reason to even be with the xenophobic Junkers.
woeful coyote
Wrecking Ball does also look rather advanced for a bunch of mechanized hillbillies
valid shell
The only way he could even be in Australia is if that was where Winston touched down after escaping the moon.
limpid agate
Which it isnt
woeful coyote
Where is it said that Hammond hitchhiked with Winston btw?
limpid agate
Theres no way he would accidentally end up on the other side of the world
@woeful coyote PTR
New HLC
woeful coyote
Ohhhhh
woeful coyote
WAIT
valid shell
"That drawing looks like Wrecking Ball."
woeful coyote
Lol
woeful coyote
What if his cord snapped?
limpid agate
Thats still no excuse for landing, literally the exact opposite side of the Earth
woeful coyote
Slingshotted him
limpid agate
I think youre underestimating the size of the planet Earth
valid shell
Honestly, this conversation is like "what if Maximilien's brain was uploaded into Mondatta's body and piloted Wrecking Ball with Hammond as an ult and Sanjay on air support".
It's senseless.
There's nothing connecting Wrecking Ball and Hammond.
limpid agate
Of course its senseless, you forgot his birthname. Liao
woeful coyote
I don’t think Hammond is smart enough to make Wrecking Ball honestly
Judging from his expertly calculated escape plan shown above
moon -> earth
valid shell
Well, his pod still had to survive reentry, even if Winston's was spearheading it.
woeful coyote
Just like the Apollo astronauts calculated it lol
It’s not like we know if he made the pod
valid shell
He's not dumb. Winston's just smarter, and he recognized that.
And Winston is genius levels.
woeful coyote
So Winston is a genius, and Hammond is just normal smarts
valid shell
Human intelligence, at least.
He can draw, write, and form basic plans.
And can apparently use tools, he didn't pry off ventilation grates with his teeth.
woeful coyote
Is there any hint at what kind of weapon he uses?
Since he is significantly smaller than Winston, it’s not like he can carry a huge powerful gun
regal coyote
actually there is a chance they release TWO heroes at once, but in another way
kinda like one "Humnd and pet" combo as a hero
regal coyote
like a human/toaster with the ability to communicate with its pet
regal coyote
yes one "hero" with tqwo characters
limpid agate
But not with anyone we know right now
valid shell
@woeful coyote Chimps are still strong af.
regal coyote
like a hammond on a dog. so to speak
woeful coyote
@valid shell u don’t bring a chimp to a robot laser Gatling gun fight
Unless the chimp has some cool tricks
Hammond is presumably not combat-oriented, or at least not in any way we’ve seen so far
regal coyote
in thsi case yoru chim may have a multi-melta so pretty sure your monkey will do fine
valid shell
Mei wouldn't be considered combat-oriented either.
limpid agate
Lucio and Zen aint exactly soldiers either
woeful coyote
I was looking at the wiki, and it says the Scrapyard is also used for human vs omnic matches
Is that true? I thought there were no omnics anywhere near junkertown, and I can’t imagine any reason why an omnic would want to go there
limpid agate
In olden days, people used slaves as gladiators
short scaffold
woeful coyote
I was just thinking, I know it’s a long shot, but there is no mention of Wrecking Ball being a mech and not an omnic right?
peak escarp
everything we know about Wrecking Ball is on that poster
limpid agate
The other posters are mechs.
woeful coyote
But those mechs are much less advanced looking than wrecking ball
I personally think Wrecking Ball is a mech, I’m just saying it’s possible it could be a omnic of some sort
brazen river
I know im an idiot, but what is wrecking ball
limpid agate
The current champion of the Scrapyard
Probably a mech.
It will never be important unless the Queen (Also the champion) is the pilot
brazen river
Well its not going to be a junker if its called wrecking ball
woeful coyote
I have a counter argument to back my junker Hammond theory
brazen river
Go ahead
woeful coyote
If Hammond’s plan didn’t fail epically, wouldn’t Winston notice the hitchhiking escape pod latched onto his once he landed?
Unless Hammond detached high up in orbit, or soon after liftoff, he would have been found
brazen river
It has already been said that winston was helping hammod escape
woeful coyote
?
peak escarp
why would he?
woeful coyote
Where was that mentioned?
peak escarp
and if Winston was helping Hammond, why did Hammond have to make his own schematics on post-it notes and stick it onto Winston's blueprint?
why not just include Hammond's pod in the escape plan to start with?
woeful coyote
Queen
But what if - and don’t bite my head off here - we don’t get the queen? What if she is a red herring?
limpid agate
Thats dumb
woeful coyote
I’m not disagreeing with you there
limpid agate
Like, that is a really really stupid idea. There is no nice way to put it
People ask for the Queen specifically for 9 months
Lets make a Monkey take her slot instead
woeful coyote
Technically Hammond isn’t Australian if he is a junker tho
peak escarp
people have been asking for Liao since 2014
woeful coyote
He’s a moon monkey
limpid agate
Liao is different
Liao is irellevant.
The Queen is the third major Australian character
We dont even need 3
3 is way too many
But the Queen is a fine exception
But making Hammond the 3rd Junker
Is absurd
woeful coyote
Maybe she isn’t originally from Australia either?
dapper egret
woeful coyote
Oh yeah
peak escarp
officially, Hog is Australian
whether he is Maori or not has yet to be confirmed/denied
like Reyes, he could have a nationality that is different from his ethnicity
woeful coyote
I find it funny how people on reddit and the forums automatically assume that Hammond would be piloting Kelvin 506 if he is a junker
Kelvin 506 is a part of one of the scrapyard spawns, and if anything Hammond would be piloting Wrecking Ball as a junker
limpid agate
Hammond isnt going to be piloting anything
This is a forced stretch
To try and make everything in 1 picture mean 1 thing
Like Doomfist Hammond
woeful coyote
I did say it was unlikely
worthy rose
The poster looks like an omni droid from the incredibles
With a big whole in its chest
brazen river
With the posters the queen seems like a melee and nobody wantd another melee
brazen river
Doomfist is melee
limpid agate
And the queen is a mech champ
limpid agate
DVa isnt a mech champ
She is a mech hero
But she is also just some gamer in a mech
brazen river
Bruh
limpid agate
The idea "mech" is not something that can just be put in once, then said "Yup thats too many"
Its one of the more versatile things
Could be anywhere from...
brazen river
The queen is a queen in a mech
limpid agate
From this
To this
The queen became the queen because she was the champion
Shes not just a queen that happens to have a mech
She earned her position through being a gladiator
woeful coyote
Kelvin and Bludger, the two mechs other than wrecking ball, are both a WoW reference
Kelvin is a gnome, Bludger is a goblin
limpid agate
What gnome mech is that
I know Bludger is a Shredder
Like, this is literally a Goblin Shredder
limpid agate
Meh
brazen river
Wrecking ball is the current champion of the junkers so shouldnt he/she be the king/queen
limpid agate
This is a Gnome mech
@brazen river Thats why I think Wrecking Ball is the Queen's mech
woeful coyote
I honestly see similar design choices as Kelvin 506 and the gnome mech
They have a similar aesthetic look
limpid agate
I dont see the similarity at all
brazen river
Wouldnt that already revealed
limpid agate
Not one Gnome or Flamethrower mech in all of Warcraft looks like Kelvin. Not one I know of
Whereas Bludger is literally just a Goblin Shredder.
woeful coyote
It’s cause kelvin doesn’t have huge dinnerplate headlights
limpid agate
I think youre stretching again like you did with the last few conversations
woeful coyote
The pilot looks like a gnome
limpid agate
Meh
remote galleon
@limpid agate Rumble, League of Legends
frosty shell
And as for Liao being any unnamed male, it sure seems like Liao was supposed to be female
half shell
I think they will drop another hint this evening
Also they are probably trying to fool us with the junker and Hammond stuff.
Remember /r/emreMains?
valid shell
@frosty shell How so?
regal coyote
ffs it is noot a gnome, granted there are short ass people like torby this is not actually warcraft/warhammer fantasy
If it is hammond he is unlikely to be junker
granted, if hammond is a hero he WILL either have a companion or a mech, since being such small target would be a bitch in terms of game mechanics\
worthy rose
I wonder if wrecking ball has a wrecking ball 😁
lean silo
I still want him to not be a simian, tbh
But I'm biased because I actually straight up dislike chimps
don't ask
lean silo
Just another reason not to like them.
Though
Because they can be unpredictable and violent
that's just another reason for him to be more "chaotic" than Winston
lavish solar
Yeah she used to work at a zoo and she was feeding it
But that’s off topic never mind
lean silo
...did they get the finger back?
lavish solar
Nope
lavish solar
Yeah she’s fine
lean silo
...yeah, it's offtopic, but damn.
ionic socket
Inb4 junkertown queen release this week
frosty shell
Liao in First Strike was probably female
half shell
Do we know for sure that hammond is a chimp and not another kind of monkey?
iron plume
we don't know anything about him for sure except that he's a small specimen
lean silo
No, but it's HLC and he likes carrots.
iron plume
may not be a simian at all
lavish solar
I hope he’s an orangutan
lean silo
I hope he's like
Something completely unexpected
Like a rabbit enhanced with mech arms or some shit
HLC worked with simians so
iron plume
Nothing suggests they exclusively worked with simians
lean silo
I'm looking up HLC and it states "human and ape research" on the wiki
i'll have to dig through the refs
cunning ledge
there is an explicitly named "Simian Research Division"
cunning ledge
so it's not like they can't invent another division
lean silo
so there was more to it
lean silo
yeah that too
I'm still desperately hoping it's something ridiculous
Also, jeez. People act like Reyes was this much nicer dude before he became Reaper
But he was still a dick to Winston
And I mean it isn't like Reaper and Reyes are different people
iron plume
They might as well be though, story-wise
obviously it didn't appear out of nowhere
but massively traumatic events like that can change people
An almost complete change has happened twice to genji
iron plume
first the murder and then studying with Zenyatta
lean silo
storywise they're two different entities, but i just dislike seeing people act like Reyes was a good guy
there's a reason he led Blackwatch
iron plume
The reason he was in blackwatch is he doesn't play by the rules
but that's not the same thing as bad guy
iron plume
He did it with the same goal as Overwatch did
lean silo
I personally like Reyes as he is, he's more interesting than morrison
and i mean he was still kind of a dick
iron plume
he wasn't a nice guy but he was a good guy
lean silo
yeah that's probably a better way to put it, my bad
nice =/= good
do we really have much lore on McCree besides his one comic and the events?
cunning ledge
Not really
The only mention outside of what you mentioned is that obscure pseudonym side joke in a news article
The Joel Morricone one
lean silo
oh yeah, lmao
and he tells Sombra
"I don't know what you've heard, but my name ain't Joel"
regal coyote
@cunning ledge well "Simian Research Division" does not mean shit shice we know for sure now there are doge in space like cosmo
well but yeah he cannot be a doge, he eats bananananas and carrots
cunning ledge
as far as we know there are no dogs in the HLC
space/moon dogs exist
lean silo
hey
dogs eat carrots
and banananaa
an
I mean, they can
most dogs don't.
but carrots are good for them
(^:
But yeah I wouldn't see it being a dog
regal coyote
also the compartment too small to be chimp orangatan
even if they can curl up and live on bare necessity
dire timber
@cunning ledge Simian Research Division pretty much proves that Hammond is an ape though
cunning ledge
That's what I think too tbh
It was on Harold's shirt iirc
So the whole base was probably it
But there technically is room for Hammond to be another animal if they really wanted to
With only mild retcon
But yeah probably an ape
I like to imagine a chimp
dire timber
I think so too
I hope they really give him that "sneaky burglar" vibe that I was talking about
not sure how that would work with gameplay though
cause it's not like the maps have vents of any sort
white cobalt
also we dont know why the people in Horizon was pretty lax?
Like yeah, a chimp leaves his cage
peak escarp
well if the apes escaped, where could they go?
there was no worry that they'd get to earth or cause problems
they probably should have worried though
white cobalt
The thing is i perceive their reactions like "Oh, is Hammond, no biggie, ask the the other guy"
worthy rose
A capuchin monkey can be trained to steal things
regal coyote
^
worthy rose
What do you think hammonds weapon would be?
lean silo
I'm really hoping he has some sort of personal mech because anything his size isn't going to be fun to deal with hitbox-wise
worthy rose
Ehhhh
lean silo
He was in a cage
half shell
Ii'm hoping something long to mid range
lean silo
I mean, it's gonna be another Ana-level hitbox issue otherwise lmao
people complained about Ana's hitbox a long time ago 🤔
but
That's neither here nor there
he'd probably be something mobile
half shell
anyone else refreshing the overwatch twitter page?
I expect another hint pretty soon
usually they hit like 8 or 9 pm CEST
peak escarp
they usually make posts on the hour
half shell
I know, still refreshing 😛
peak escarp
if they're going to post anything, the most likely time is in 25 minutes
11am California time
half shell
last hint they dropped in the middle of the night (for europeans)
half shell
mmm guess not today then
limpid agate
Shame
half shell
still a slight chance they drop it one hour from now.
limpid agate
It could be later, yeah
Looking at Brig right now
White Dome - 1700
Ingrid Letter - 1100
Flail - 1100
Shield - 930
The most likely time passed
But its still possible to see something later
So now we just wait, who knows when we get teaser 2, if ever
regal coyote
lets hope teaser 2 is not a fucking timer like that old sombra shit
half shell
No they learned from that, they won't do an ARG again
limpid agate
Whats wrong with a timer
It would tell us exactly what we need
And give us a time limit to expect our next thing
regal coyote
a timer of like 1 week or so is ok
a timer for more than a month is pretty shitty really
at least post every week or so, even if it is something smll and less important, a month long timer is just anti-hype
half shell
I think the timing for Brigitte was perfect. Just every other day
Without the weekend
iron plume
the timer wasn't the problem
the problem was that it led to nothing but another timer
worthy rose
Sup guys been a while
What have talk been talking about
On the topic of the twitter post
cunning ledge
Mine is that but in no particular order
reef river
man, I'm surprised we haven't gotten any followup teasers yet
usually when they're teasing a release we get something every 2-3 days
cerulean widget
everyone thinks hammond for sure right?
peak escarp
I'm not convinced
I still think Hammond is a red herring
like Emre, like Jetpack Cat
limpid agate
like Jetpack Cat