Junker Queen had 0 chance for 28
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
why does she have 0 chance?
wicked mountain
It says 2 time horizon and one time build your future in space or something and Hammond lived in space and he lived with monkeys there right?
chilly peak
you can't say "0 chances"
limpid agate
When was the last time Junker Queen was teased?
peak escarp
everyone has a chance
limpid agate
September 2017
wicked mountain
And there are a lot of monkeys on the posters
chilly peak
we can't be sure of anything
limpid agate
Every hero gets teased 4 months before their reveal
peak escarp
wicked mountain
I hope it’s Hammond
peak escarp
she's right there
peak escarp
heavily shadowed
limpid agate
Sombra had the arg
peak escarp
but you can see her hairstyle
limpid agate
Even Ana was in some pre-release promotional material
cunning ledge
Hammond/Queen dual hero release
wicked mountain
What does the missing screen in lunar say on ptr?
reef river
interesting. I hadn't thought about the 4-month tease
limpid agate
Yeah, Im gonna remove the "Ana is the exception" part.
Even she was teased before launch as the primary caniddate
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
wicked mountain
They all had numbers right?
limpid agate
The Queen had a shot for November hero
@wicked mountain Hammond is Speciment 8
Winston is Specimen 28
hollow tree
they are still working on backlog of hero release, so yeah, it makes sense to see they tease 4 montsh prior
peak escarp
I still don't think your theory holds up
Orisa's "tease" in Sombra's web is far too vauge for anyone except diehards to even notice
and it wasn't actually her - just a spider-like omnic
limpid agate
It was a quadraped omnic, and drawn in a Pre-First-Strike-Cancellation era
Which was long before Orisa's final design
chilly peak
this teaser is something different. There are many totally unrelated things.
Elements from Junkertown, elements from King's Row, elements from Horizon
They expect from us to analize each separately, but I think it's decoy and we need to look at the bigger picture
wicked mountain
Whos that omnic on left?
limpid agate
What omnic on the left
wicked mountain
Idk what it is
limpid agate
If you dont tell me what Omnic I cant tell you who it is
wicked mountain
With Equa above it
chilly peak
just an omnic I guess
wicked mountain
Maybe it has something to do with hero 28?
chilly peak
on King's Row there are many posters like this
potent vault
isnt that maximilian
peak escarp
it's just a generic omnic for an anti-omnic pro-omnic poster
reef river
maximillian is hammond in a robot suit?
peak escarp
kinda looks like Okoro from Pharah's comic
frosty star
Likely it'll be Hammond, too many references to Space and Horizon honestly, unless it's a serious misdirection of houdinni proportions
limpid agate
Max is not in the picture
Do you mean this Omnic
Its on posters in game
I dont think its anyone special
frosty star
i'm trying to figure out what is that yellowish spray to the left of that poster
limpid agate
Like this
potent vault
tbh
peak escarp
apparently it matches a spot on Rialto, just outside defender's 1st spawn
frosty star
oh that basement area?
potent vault
Anti omnic city
Brick walls
Lucio concert
the map having storm audio
alot of graffiti in the city
an actual skin called "Graffiti" for the only hero that is from there
its probably kings row
the skin thing is just some little thing
chilly peak
but it's not, I haven't found place like this
cunning ledge
oh neat
chilly peak
I FOUND IT!
frosty star
could just be reused textures
cunning ledge
That means a Talon connection is a slightly possibility
peak escarp
it's probably meant to be King's Row, but they used a spot on Rialto and reused King's Row textures
and added a light and a steam vent
potent vault
hm
can someone find a picture of the same area but in the retribution night map?
peak escarp
and a locked power box
frosty star
if it is in fact Rialto (doubtful) could even be a teaser at Antonio (i think that's the one from Ret)
peak escarp
Antonio is dead
chilly peak
give me a sec
frosty star
we don't necessarily know that
frosty star
he got shot then flew out the window
peak escarp
we've been told he was dead and have been given no reason to believe otherwise
potent vault
wait lemme check something
frosty star
oh that's cannon, him being deceased?
peak escarp
both McCree's narration and the Retribution files say he was dead
potent vault
ok going ingame to check some things
peak escarp
and since nobody confirmed to be dead has come back to life in the OW universe, we have to assume he's still dead
chilly peak
frosty star
ah kk
potent vault
nah fuck it its late
chilly peak
but they added posters
potent vault
the hp of antonio will be low asf if he died from that shot
peak escarp
yes
chilly peak
apperently not
limpid agate
Nice find
peak escarp
but it's dressed up to look like KR
frosty star
honestly i think it's just reused textures
frosty star
the wall lamp though doesn't match any lights that I remember
potent vault
it looks like rialto and king's row had a baby
chilly peak
guys, I'm telling you, it's map maker.
On Rialto, there are elements from Junkertown, King's Row, Horizon, Dorado, Numbani.
Doesn't matter what is on those elements, but the fact itself.
I think Blizzard is trying to tells us that we will be able to add elements at will, or something like that
I'm not crazy xD
reef river
"the storm"
frosty star
omg if they added a map maker...
potent vault
i imagine overwatch map maker
people will just place spawns at skyblocks hold W and get free xp
or just place them in the air
peak escarp
a map maker would be interesting
reef river
i remember seeing a video a while ago about the design of Rialto, and them saying how some corners and buildings were specifically placed in order to work out some draw distance technology issues
so that could be problematic with a map maker
potent vault
nah maybe the map designer decided to reuse it because he was in a rush, they did say they worked on retribution since the end of uprising, so maybe they needed last minute changes
frosty star
likely the latter
follwing up that Queen discussion over here, I think she may be the first fire-type hero
limpid agate
Unless that's Hammond
Jetpack Cat's original concept gave him a flamethrower
Wonder if that will hold up, if Hammond inherits the concept
frosty star
hmmm, though judging by some of the decor around Junkertown and the weapons near the chair, it seems like she's got a lot for a flamethrower like kit
cunning ledge
I really, really want her ult to be to get in the mech
frosty star
same
limpid agate
Her mech could be an exoskeleton style
But if the Junker Mech Champion has 0 mech related abilities
Im gonna be upset
dense estuary
Junker mech IMO should kind of resemble something that could have been built off a power loader
(that thing from Aliens). Seems more proper junkers would build a combat walker off something built for industrial use.
limpid agate
Junker tech seems to be like Goblin tech
One of the mechs is quite literally a Goblin Shredder
frosty star
I would love to see one of those Alien-esque suits modeled for a Hero exoskeleton
dire timber
new tease?
cunning ledge
Hell yeah
dire timber
hm, what do we have, besides that tweet?
limpid agate
The past 4 months of speculation
scenic vale
Nah maybe the new tank is Hammond riding his dog
golden urchin
please don't shitpost
paper sonnet
It's not going to be hammond, it'll be the that red looking omnic in the poster to the left.
limpid agate
Why
limpid agate
If you want to say Hammond is the red herring
Second place is Maximillein
Not generic omnic rights poster
valid shell
What did I miss?
cunning ledge
One gif of a Rialto wall with posters on it
Posters include Lucio, a few new Horizon ones, Junkertown scrapyard, and KR Omnic stuff
There's also a chance it's supposed to be King's Row and they just used a part of Rialto that looked like it for some reason
Probably Hammond and/or Queen teaser
Hammond very likely
cunning ledge
An actual dog that you have to shoot with guns and kill in the game won't happen
knotty plank
If they add a real dog, it would probably have a barrier or something around it which would be the dog's health.
cunning ledge
Pet hero is so requested it's gotta happen at some point
cunning ledge
If there's ever a domestic animal like a cat/dog/rabbit/etc as a hero for whatever reason it'll be in a mech suit
knotty plank
Yeah
worthy rose
Kittypet would be nice
cunning ledge
An actual domestic animal in a mech suit with its own "pet" robot drones would be hilarious to me
worthy rose
:3
knotty plank
Might be hard to balance, based on our other two builder heroes.
valid shell
Let's not go the hilarious route.
cunning ledge
Honestly I have no idea how a pet hero would work but blizzard could probably manage it
Back to lore anyway
knotty plank
Yeah
valid shell
It would only work if there was 0 AI or RNG.
knotty plank
I'm still concerned about the scrapyard poster from the tweet that was covered up by all of the Horizon stuff.
There's no way that's a coincidence, it's Blizzard.
cunning ledge
If either the Hammond or Queen teasers are red herrings someone's gonna be mad
knotty plank
Yeah
cunning ledge
Probably me in fact
knotty plank
I just want the Queen's backstory.
cunning ledge
So either both are heroes(or have upcoming lore) or Hammond is the Queen and I don't really want to think about that
ebon laurel
Omg lmao
cunning ledge
Queen backstory is just mech champion + vague past connection to Mako
That's it so far
chilly peak
you know that it doesn't have to be a new hero teaser?
knotty plank
Nothing confirmed except for him escaping, thanks to the Horizon rework and his room.
chilly peak
Blizzard is very punctual, new hero teaser should be on like 3rd July
cunning ledge
@chilly peak today fits very well with when the next hero teasers should start
knotty plank
Yeah
chilly peak
not really
knotty plank
They announced Brigitte at the end of February, so there's kind of a pattern.
chilly peak
besides, new hero teasers are always lore teasers
peak escarp
they have been shaking up the patterns lately
chilly peak
today's teaser is not
sonic tide
Hey
valid shell
@sonic tide Yes?
limpid agate
@cunning ledge Today fits very well with when the next hero teasers should start(edited)
Its about a week early
Past July hero teasers have been first week of July
That's a week and ahalf from now
If they did the teaser next week, thats understandable
But if they're not...
I can think of two reasons
1: Hero will be on PTR longer.
2: Its not a hero teaser, its a HLC update teaser. That should go live next week.
2 doesnt seem practical, but it is not outside the realm of possibility
brisk bay
do you think the new hero will be thunder/storm themed?
bc of the wording of the teaser tweet
raven quiver
Hi
brisk bay
@limpid agate I was just wondering bc I remember a leak from ages ago that talked about some lightning field or something
I dont really remember too well
prolly wasn't legit anyway
limpid agate
Ancient and fake
It was one that got Doomfist's kit wrong
As well as the two next heroes
Not just in terms of kit, but character
cinder pulsar
ay @terse oak plz get this guy he posted this in every channel; edit nvm somebody got to it
chilly peak
i've finally found what it is on the left side
it's a poster from Junkertown
https://i.imgur.com/W9pno9O.png
worthy rose
So what does tactical visor actually do? I know ingame it targets people for you but how does it actually work for soldier?
cunning ledge
It just points them out and I like to imagine it links to the rifle, maybe only allows him to pull the trigger when it would hit
Also thanks for the correction on the date thing
The Hammond part being a map thing and the Queen part being the hero teaser is a possibility
limpid agate
I think Queen has no chance for 28
And all these Queen teasers
Are setting her up for 29
ebon laurel
Makes sense to me
cunning ledge
That seems reasonable yeah
Especially as the queen poster is much more subtle in the gif
limpid agate
As is the one for (what I believe to be) her mech
Wrecking Ball
The current Champion
chilly peak
I've finally found this yellow spray can
it is in Junkertown, next to Take-a-breather machine
cunning ledge
You sure it's not in Castillo too?
chilly peak
oh... my... god...
Gold bars on Junkertown's payload are not gold bars!
Those are regular stone bars and The Junker's painted them in gold with those yellow cans
chilly peak
Queen found it out, she's pissed!
cunning ledge
If the plan works out she'd be exploded by then anyway
What a detail though
I guess they didn't get enough gold from the Dorado bank and had to improvise
iron plume
the plan not working out is kind of the point of The Plan isn't it
cunning ledge
Exactly
regal coyote
what if the scrapyard is not about the Queen but a new sporting event for summer?
cunning ledge
Wow that's a good point actually
Mech-ball sport
Or something
Or just mech fighting in general
iron plume
lucioball but a giant omnic head
lavish solar
I would love it if junkerqueen was another mech tank like Dva
alpine lake
On the junker dva skin it says "mech battles are a popular sport in junkertown" so there is a possibility that the queen started the trend then Korea stole it
iron plume
Korean mekas are not a trend
alpine lake
In junker town it is
iron plume
they made the mechs because the kaiju overtook their drones
alpine lake
I know
iron plume
then the fuck do you mean by "korea stole it"
alpine lake
Korea stole the IDEA
iron plume
of what?
mechs?
wouldn't exactly be an original idea
the meka were born out of need
alpine lake
Maybe it wasn't talking about korea's need but Australia's need to stop the rebellion so they created mechs but a junker stole it and became the queen
alpine lake
That may be the history of Korea's mech system but mabye there was a separate Unrealaded mecha system in astrealia
iron plume
This shows that Korea didn't "steal" anything at the very least
And there's zero hints towards Aus having one
alpine lake
Well its speculation
alpine lake
Exactly
They saw the mechs the aus gov had and built there own out of the resources around them
Ok
So the aus gov had mechs and was crushing the junkers but the soon to be queen (or what i think is the d. Va junker mech) saw them and made the D. Va junker mech, inspired by the queen, the rebellion made there own mechs and the tables turned since the junkers have a more risky and destructive addatude so they risked it all and won
Then Unrealaded, korea made mechs
iron plume
the junkers don't fight the government
alpine lake
O sry i ment omnics lol
iron plume
why would the omnics have mechs?
alpine lake
They are the mechs
cunning ledge
That doesn't.. what?
restive flower
forest eagle
hi
forest eagle
Moira reference or just being polite?
cunning ledge
Both probably
iron plume
let's hear it
forest eagle
Blizzard could say that reaper joined talon because he found out that his friend, I forgot his name, was actually working for talon and he had to join talon to help get him out of that company. This is why when he is portrayed as working at talon, he always is angry and doesn’t care. Please post some arguments and I will try to think of reasons for them.
And no, I don’t mean solider, I mean the guy that was bedridden
what do you think
lean silo
i mean that sounds noble but i'm assuming you're not using it to excuse or play off his hating overwatch
he does try to actually kill former members
i think he'd have gone bad either way
Talon just seemed the best place to further his agenda
regal coyote
Have to say, reaper is NOT killing all ex-overwatch member.
He is jsut killing ex-overwatch member that is against him.
the ones that has joined talon or related stuff is obviously not hunted.
My guess is he focused on ones that either betray him or sided with jack during the ow civilwar
if the "half of overwatch are just mercs now" line still stands it means some are not considered to be overwatch and is still visible to public, doing various works.
some of these may have "retired" from overwatch related activities and may not be on reaper's list, or be on the reallly really low piority pile
regal coyote
we have no info and details on it
valid shell
MEKA is the Korean Army.
regal coyote
other than the fact it is all nonAI controlled
valid shell
That's literally what the last two letters mean.
obtuse geyser
Reaper has a tiny tattoo on his ancel. It is vivi
olive karma
So, every time D.va explodes her mech when using her ultimate, she is putting South Korea into debt. Since they have to spend money on a new replacement Mech. Not only that, but she's also using them in personal battles that do not benefit South Korea. So does that mean that every time you use D.va's ultimate, that you are putting South Korea into debt and wasting tax payers money?
I mean, just think how expensive those things are.
cunning ledge
She's never exploded her mech in the lore
She probably will at some point because of how iconic the gameplay move is
But it hasn't happened yet
terse oak
@olive karma Shitposting will result in loss of access
olive karma
Whoa, no I'm serious
cunning ledge
You should probably know then that gameplay isn't lore
And you have to source lore discussion with actual lore
olive karma
My bad
regal coyote
supdeduper, yo chill it. people are n000bs sometimes.
that said we have little to know lore on D.Va.
terse oak
Fair enough, moving on
cunning ledge
@olive karma It's fine
regal coyote
We know the following, she is a poster girl for Korean Mech Army against a giant omnic monster that constantly threatens the area.
cunning ledge
Also personally she's a Starcraft player, streamer, and movie star
regal coyote
She is a gamer, and would twistch her stuff around, and is also a movie star to name a few.
She is only seen in two scenes in official media, 1) in a MEKA shooting at a giant thing, all we know is the real MEKA can fly for long time and shoot. nothing else
the other is her hosting a christmas commercial.
Other than that it is only poster she is on.
cunning ledge
And the Hero of my Storm posters in Hollywood and Oasis
regal coyote
She has a starcraft player data sheet on official blizzard, she plays "random" so as not to piss of specific race players
also she had been to blizzyland, and has a scoreboard entry there
cunning ledge
that page has since been deleted for some reason too
regal coyote
though she is at 3rd
cunning ledge
Blizzard world scoreboard probably isn't canon info
regal coyote
winner is a fucking hacker sombra
I thought mp pieces are canon, just not the mp lay out
cunning ledge
Well the board also has Soldier: 76 and Junkrat
A vigilante soldier and an actual international terrorist
Sombra also specifically says she's not that type of hacker
regal coyote
s76 is strange though yes
junkrat i wont be surprised since there is that picture of him and roadie causing trouble with roadie stealing from the pachimari machines
you have a point though
maybe blizzyland is not that canon afterall
cunning ledge
It's more that the specific scoreboard is just easter eggs
regal coyote
so did the silly prices on the food department?
cunning ledge
In where?
iron plume
Hollywood, I presume
cunning ledge
I wasn't sure if there were any prices in BW
iron plume
While he scoreboard is just easter eggs, I like the choice of characters
They each make sense
worthy rose
Soooooooooooo queen 28?
cunning ledge
28 or 29 seems likely
worthy rose
And the other candidate is hammond?
cunning ledge
From the latest lore gif teaser thing, yeah
radiant nova
is there a part of the lore that tracer watches my newest vlog
cunning ledge
Serious discussion here please @radiant nova
Shitposting will result in loss of access.
radiant nova
do you guys know casey neistat on youtube i heard he has a great channel and everyone should watch it
what do you guys think?
regal coyote
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tall geyser
void pecan
Lmao
lean silo
go out of your way to downvote him if you're feeling petty.
as for 28, I'm guessing Hammond from the HLC updates
Blizzard is a fan of the Chekhov's Gun approach
from what we've seen anyway
latent forge
defo hammond bro
reef river
i liked the idea someone said about the whole wall being a sort of "incoming storm" of new content
e.g. this is teasing that we will get Hammond, Junkertown Queen, Lucio lore, and something omnic related in the coming months
worthy rose
Omnic related...max????
worthy rose
Jetpack cat part omnic confirmed?
olive karma
Good question. Idk if he is or why he would be
So what is Overwatch doing in the current timeline of the lore?
That would be nice
worthy rose
Are you guys going to see Shrek 5?
proven dragon
if Hammond was in the game. what would he be , overwatch or talon
valid shell
@worthy rose Shitposting will result in loss of access.
@proven dragon Why does he have to be either?
Heroes like Hanzo, Lucio, the Junkers, D.Va, etc. all exist.
worthy rose
I just wanna make friends
proven dragon
thats mean @valid shell
valid shell
@proven dragon That's the rules.
limpid agate
👍
@olive karma In the present, nothing
Its a team of 4-8 people
Tracer and Winston (who did the Museum job)
Mei (Who is exploring old Overwatch ecopoints)
Reinhardt (Who was most recently shown joining Overwatch)
And 4 other "potential" members
Brigitte, who would be with Rein
Genji, who was last seen telling Hanzo to pick a side
And Torb/Bastion. Torb recently cleaned up Bastion
There may be more on the team, but that's all thats either confirmed or teased
The only other candidate who most likely joined was McCree, but he was never shown since Train Hopper. Which was before Recall
Oh, and getting drunk at a bar in Mexico over Christmas
forest eagle
I’m just amagining that blizzard ass plucks a hero that no one has heard of like they did with Orisa
limpid agate
Its not entirely assplucked
Every hero since launch had teasers ~4 months before their reveal
limpid agate
As of now, they are wholly unrelated to everything.
little ermine
new overwatch?
limpid agate
Winston's Recall Overwatch
little ermine
whatt
limpid agate
Thats hardly a teaser for that
Thats a news agency talking about potential recruits
And even that article is way way outdated
chilly peak
News agency didn't write this, it's Blizzard, remember this ;) story of Overwatch is full of things planned waaay ahead
You don't know if it's outdated or even not a teaser at all
Olimpia Shaw kinda is voice of Blizzard
limpid agate
Its a news agency in universe
There is a difference between news articles
And just Blizzard talking to us directly
Its not a teaser for them to join Overwatch
Can they? Sure
Will they? Probably
But this is 100% NOT a teaser
You can make the case for everyone that isn't a Junker or Talon
craggy bramble
is hammond a dog?
limpid agate
🤷
Could be a dog
Could be a monkey
Could be a cat or rabbit
Who knows
Probably a monkey though
craggy bramble
monkey seems nice
chilly peak
Mate, Blizzard doesn't put anything in their game without any purpose. It's very precisely handcrafted world and every, even smallest piece of information has some meaning. Trust me, I'm OW lore freak since the very beginning. If news agency wrote about Lucio and D.Va joining OW, it's more like Blizzard is telling us that they probably will. Otherwise Blizz wouldn't write about that.
I might be wrong but we cannot say it's NOT a teaser.
worthy rose
im new here and i dont know if i can post a video
chilly peak
Teasers are all about uncertainty
Nope, you can't even post a picture. It's large discord channel and it prevents troll attacks etc.
worthy rose
thx
limpid agate
Blizzard doesn't put anything in their game without any purpose.
Except
They explcitly admit to doing that many times
Doomfist
Soundquake
Emre
To name a few
cunning ledge
Even Hamid doesn't have a purpose yet
iron plume
OW lore freak
thinks every detail has a meaning
thonk
The “Atlas News” are told from the in universe perspective, they represent what people living in OW world know and speculate
They are not the canon word of god unlike Chu speaking to us
An atlas news post has mentioned the cause of OW downfall being Gabe’s jealousy for Jack’s position
which we know isn’t true
regal coyote
@limpid agate actually cannot be a dog
unless it is a red haring those food and things in the secret compartment belongs to Hammond
Dogs are not veggie eater and Blizz would not mis-promopt a dog diet that way
So it is something that can enjoy veggie for the msot part, mainly bananas and carrots.
yes it can be a space rabbit like Rocket, and msot likely a monkey after teaser, but unlikely a dog,d espite what we would want
Yes,w e deserve a playable dog, or personw ith dog companion.
cunning ledge
Rabbits don't have opposable thumbs so Hammond can't be a rabbit
regal coyote
@cunning ledge by space rabbit i mean a racoon, also if it is smallish it can writee with two hands on a pen, or a type of "monkey grip"
cunning ledge
Still seems pretty unlikely to be a non-primate
valid shell
What if Hammond is a chimp/dog/rabbit trio?
cunning ledge
"The Hammond collective"
craggy bramble
what happened to Reyes?
how come he can turn intangible
and what's under his mask
chilly peak
cunning ledge
@craggy bramble Moira experiments on him
craggy bramble
my guess is genetic alteration by Moira or something else in Talon
cunning ledge
Possibly also his SEP modifications but that's not confirmed
It's explicitly Moira
No doubt about it
craggy bramble
what does SEP mean?
cunning ledge
Soldier Enhancement Project
Jack and Reyes were a part of it before the Crisis
It's basically the captain america thing
cunning ledge
It worked for both the people we know were in it
For whatever reason Moira did stuff to Reyes that made him able to turn into a shadow smoke ghost abomination
One that literally cannot die and feels only pain and vengence
It's pretty edgy
There are many theories as to why this happened
One that I quite like is that the SEP modifications on Reyes went bad, and Moira tried to patch him up
Then in the HQ explosion he was heavily injured and the SEP things combined with the Moira things tried to heal him but there wasn't much of him left so it "filled in the gaps" and most of him was turned into what we see now
craggy bramble
they should just call him Darth Vader
and give him meditation tanks that lessen his pain
cunning ledge
Serious discussion please
craggy bramble
any idea why he fought Jack at Switzerland?
cunning ledge
I like the idea that all the stuff happening to him made him emotionally twitchy
And distrustful
craggy bramble
that makes sense
also he killed Antonio in Retribution
whereas s76 wanted to play it by the book with an extraction
he seemed more than willing to get vengeance for his fallen comrades who died or were injured in the bombing
imho that showed us that there was a difference of opinion on how Overwatch should act against Talon
between jack and reyes
worthy rose
I kinda like the idea that in the explosion some of moiras old untested medical treatment mixed with reaper which kept him alive but didnt heal him
craggy bramble
is it true that Reyes was the first strike commander of overwatch?
if so why was he demoted to black watch commander?
cunning ledge
He was the commander of the strike team that existed before Overwatch
craggy bramble
oh alright
craggy bramble
what made them pick morrison over reyes?
peak escarp
Morrison was a better leader
Reyes was good at getting things done, but he didn't have the charisma that Morrison had
regal coyote
also tekhartha chu says actually reyes prefer jack being the figurehead, gabe prefer action and missions, not the admin side of things
regal coyote
he is our lore master
olive karma
I personally think he could add more
limpid agate
More what
olive karma
Lore. Unless I'm mistaking someone else
limpid agate
He could
But the problem is
How
They make lore for new hero releases, Gamescom, Blizzcon, Overwatch Archives event, and new maps have lore in them as well.
Thats the only consistent lore we get
The inconsistent lore tends to be when they feel like it.
But there isnt much incentive for them to make it
dire timber
when's Gamescom, by the way?
limpid agate
August
peak escarp
August 21-25 this year
ebon garden
It would be nice to have present day lore. All the lore are flashbacks. We need lore after Recall.
peak escarp
we have a little lore that is post-Recall
Infiltration, Masquerade, Searching, Binary and Reflections all happen post Recall
as well as Orisa's entire story
most of the comics take place around the time of Recall, although we can't tell exactly when
worthy rose
Y'all, what animal do you think Hammond is?
peak escarp
a simian of some kind
peak escarp
in July yes
unless they're completely changing the release pattern
Rialto took the place of the June release and was given to us early
timid eagle
As far as lore goes, I'm not too picky for what hero is added.
Just make sure it isn't a DPS-focused hero.
More Tanks and Supports for me, thanks.
valid shell
Roles goes in #overwatch
timid eagle
I get it, thanks.
Anyway, as far as what the hero is, I would be surprised it could be a new character that hasn't been introduced.
Moira has been the last one that, outside from a cameo, fits that.
Brigitte has been around since her debut in the comics, while Ana had a cameo in Jack's flashback when he was introduced to the game.
valid shell
@timid eagle It's more likely that they're new, since it matches the pattern.
timid eagle
@valid shell You mean of bringing in an established character, then the next is new blood?
valid shell
Yeah.
Ana's the exception, but since her, there's been a pattern of lore character - new character - lore character - new character - lore character.
Sombra, Orisa, Doomfist, Moira, Brigs.
timid eagle
Hmmm.
Here's hoping they buck everyone's expectations and introduce a character that no one would see coming.
lean silo
But then that feels incoherent
timid eagle
Would it?
lean silo
Moira felt out of place to me considering she'd basically just been a hairstyle in a few comics
I'm exaggerating but yknoe
yknow
nothing about her felt like it fit in at first
cinder pulsar
did u guys see the room in attackers spawn in lunar colony
it may have hints about hamund or whatever winstons friend is
valid shell
We don't know if Winston and Hammond even know each other.
Considering Hammond piggybacked Winston's ship with his own pod, they don't seem in cahoots.
dire timber
I mean
they definitely knew each other
to the extent that all of the apes knew each other, at least
valid shell
Did they though?
timid eagle
It wasn't explained that well in Winston's lore, but I thought that most, if not all, of the gorilla's on the colony hate his guts for being a human sympathizer?
dire timber
@valid shell well, the apes evidently shared dormitory areas, classrooms, the training facility...
peak escarp
In the trailer for the Horizon Lunar Colony map, Winston said the other apes didn't want him there anyway
Take that as canon if you want
peak escarp
I think it still counts
limpid agate
Is Hammond an ape
worthy rose
I think hammond is a small capuchin monkey
dire timber
@peak escarp I think they wouldn't turn on Winston exactly
but I think they throwned on Winston's sympathy towards humans
so, they didn't like him much
but I think Hammond would be the type to not care one way or the other
I keep picturing Hammomd as basically the chimp version of the Rocket Raccoon
limpid agate
Isnt that what Jetpack Cat basically is.
limpid agate
Aside from the cat part
dire timber
we had a nice cameo in Brigitte origin short
limpid agate
Making Hammond the chimp version of Rocket Racoon
Is just making him Jetpack Chimp
Jetpack Cat doesnt have to be a cat to be in Overwatch
dire timber
... I don't think I've seen Rocket Raccoon actually use jetpack/rocket of any kind
limpid agate
I thought he did
dire timber
I think it's just a nickname
cause he's a sapient raccoon, in soace
so, rocket raccoon
worthy rose
a capuchin monkey is small enough to hide in the vents
white cobalt
@limpid agate https://i.imgur.com/p62xWMo.png
rocket racoon in jetpack
all depends on the artist ofc
limpid agate
Yeah.
Whatever, I wanna see what Hammond becomes
Been betting on jetpack hammond for too long now.
dire timber
I don't think we'll see any jetpacks involved
wheat needle
Guys. I have a question :/
limpid agate
Yes?
wheat needle
What's the friendship between Alejandra and Sombra? Cause one of Sombras dialogs are "I wonder if I'll have time to visit the bakery" and that's where Ale is. Correct?
limpid agate
Unknown. Its implied that the people who knew Sombra were covering for her.
wheat needle
Oof
limpid agate
Saying they didnt know her to Zarya
wheat needle
True, true
wheat needle
Ah, okay
limpid agate
Just gonna
Repost this
Neither wiki had this
Wikia mentioned her being champ unsourced
And Gamepedia had no mention of it at all. Had to fix that
lucid star
Oh shit I'm hype
limpid agate
Also, just reading through some old stuff. This is the guy that got everyone in Antarctica killed.
Captain Opara
worthy rose
i always thought that too
worthy rose
no i mean i was thinking of one of the members of the ecopoint to be the one to fuck up the statis chambers
limpid agate
Thats not what I meant
He was in charge of cryonics
And was also the captain of the team as a whole that gave the order to go into cryostasis
And he got himself killed too
worthy rose
oh shit
limpid agate
It was far from intentional
worthy rose
so its basically his fault
equipment failure
but they had to go to stasis because they didn't had food
i wonder what would happen if someone else besides mei survived
limpid agate
She wouldnt be alone and thats about it
worthy rose
would they die or also somehow find a way to survive
limpid agate
Have you seen her short
worthy rose
yeah
limpid agate
Then I dont understand the confusion
If someone else survived too
She wouldnt have been alone doing all that
Thats all
timid eagle
Mei, specifically.
limpid agate
Yeah
worthy rose
so is human winston alive or ded
dire timber
presumed dead
all information so far does indicate his death
the question is whether you want to get into theories
worthy rose
damn why would the gorrilla kill the scientist on lunar colony they seemed like nice people
untold cradle
blizzard pulls another "i'm a character from the past who's supposed to be dead but isn't really dead"
dire timber
though I think that if he did survive, he likely ended up in a coma
and only woke up recently
untold cradle
his appearance in the story wouldn't really change anything tbh
dire timber
like, post-Recall kind of recently
@untold cradle I mean to be fair, they never really pulled that off on us
untold cradle
just winston (the ape) talking to winston about what happened on the colony and the two winstons enjoying each other
peak escarp
Nobody who was actually dead has come back to life
untold cradle
well to the majority of the world of OW they're dead
worthy rose
orisa was dead but she basiaclly came back to life
dire timber
S:76? the moment he was introduced, he was known to be alive
limpid agate
Orisa as a personality didnt exist yet
Her robot body was destroyed.
And Efi rebuilt her from scraps
But Orisa was born after she was killed
@dire timber Genji and Ana were the only two thought dead. Or at least Ana was always vaguely "MIA". Genji was killed in Hanzo's backstory, though.
At least, to the viewer
In universe though
Yeah there were lots
worthy rose
do ya'll think doomfist will be able to cause something like the omnic crisis again or will overwatch stop him in time
peak escarp
@worthy rose I think that's what the overarching plot of Overwatch will be
untold cradle
judging how the story is going i'd assume that OW will stop him
dire timber
it melts over and flows forward occasionally, with each new hero, comic, or animated short
untold cradle
everyone picks sides and the final battle between OW and Talon commences
dire timber
but then it freezes again
worthy rose
i wanna see an animated short bases on talon vs overwatch
dire timber
almost immediately
void ferry
Overwatch 2 should just be storymode of the timeline between overwatch and talon
Mercy needs a animated trailer
untold cradle
or that 3rd illuminati world order thing that sombra found just intervenes and does something else
peak escarp
The cinematic trailer is Talon vs Overwatch
dire timber
right now it's just vague worldbuilding, without ever really getting down to business
untold cradle
Overwatch 2 would just be an expansion pack
worthy rose
i honestly think doomfist was going easy in the first fight or maybe he was just to confident thats why he lost
dire timber
it's like Avengers, but without Avengers ever assembling
limpid agate
Doomfist was probably not going easy.
See how far he punches Winston
Then their two punches collide at the end
And we know that Winston overpowered him
void ferry
My fruend said he would be btter than me at ow2 but we did a battle with every char ater and i beat him each time
limpid agate
Winston is just fucking powerful
untold cradle
it's probably gonna stay as vague worldbuilding until all the new heroes that need to be released and then established are done
peak escarp
If Overwatch is the MCU, we're still at The Incredible Hulk
dire timber
he was caught off guard by Winston's primar rage
worthy rose
well shit
untold cradle
didn't blizzard say that they were gonna stop at 50+ heroes or something like that?
void ferry
Winston is to underpowered in game compared to lore
limpid agate
@peak escarp We're at Iron Man 2. We are getting more lore, its just accomplishing nothing.
limpid agate
Hulk was Masquerade. It set up some stuff that we wont see for along time
void ferry
I feel like iverwatch would be a great chow but they would ruin it at the same time
limpid agate
Iron Man 2 was just, heres more Iron Man. Whats that? You want us to do something? Hahaha have Brigitte Mickey Rourke instead
worthy rose
doomfist is like suicide squad everyone was so hype for it but it ended being shit
untold cradle
so if blizz is waiting to establish every new hero before the plot actually begins to avengers up, then that would take around 7 1/3 years
void ferry
Yeah hut i feel like it would be ruined as some cheasy cartoon like show
untold cradle
just to get 50 heroes in the game
worthy rose
lore wise doomfist my favourite character but game wise he shit
peak escarp
We're still waiting on the big Avengers-level plot event that brings everything together
void ferry
Suicide squad was great
worthy rose
only thing i liked about suicide saquad was deadshot
untold cradle
can i realistically wait 7 1/3 years for all of the 50 heroes of OW to be established for the plot to start moving
probably
limpid agate
They need a way to monetize the lore
peak escarp
I've stuck with it so far
limpid agate
So they can release it more consistently/frequently
worthy rose
i want soundquake
limpid agate
@void ferry Hammond and Jetpack Cat are speculated (by me) to be the same character
untold cradle
i mean how long did it take for avengers to reach the peak that is infinity war?
worthy rose
damn about a whole decade
peak escarp
And my money is ready whenever they want to start giving us more lore
void ferry
@limpid agate I thiught that at a time
limpid agate
Jetpack cat doesnt have to be a cat
untold cradle
so OW is gonna take a decade to get to the infinity war event
void ferry
I want to know more about lucios dad
worthy rose
i donw want jetpack cat to be honest
limpid agate
Im glad we learned more about Lucio's dad
untold cradle
see what blizz does
limpid agate
Its the first thing we have in 3 years that makes Lucio mean something
void ferry
Jetpack cat should be like dva thrusters instead of pharah
worthy rose
there is lore on lucio's dad
limpid agate
Voicelines
peak escarp
He's a former Vishkar employee who invented the sonic tech Vishkar used for crowd supression
Which Lucio stole
void ferry
@worthy rose not enough i want more all i know is he worked for vishkar he invented the equipment licio wore and they didnt quite see eye to eye nut i wanna know things like is he dead or alive if he is dead was it because he found out about sanay
worthy rose
you know blizzard said an overwatch character could die and the person im guessing would actually die lore wise is rein protecting brig
peak escarp
That is the one that makes to most sense
untold cradle
reinhardt would legitimately make sense as a character who would die
i can see it now
passing on the legacy of the crusaders to brigitte
peak escarp
But I don't think they'll do it for a long time, if ever
limpid agate
I still think the only character they will kill is someone they can rebuild
Like Snowball
worthy rose
im guessing talon is hunting them down and either reaper or doomfist comes to finish the job
worthy rose
actually yeah
limpid agate
Yes. And then Efi would rebuild her
peak escarp
@untold cradle wouldn't be the first time
void ferry
Im a sombra main who still cant counter her. I hack her and she still had so much fucking health to get close and gain more health from wacking the hell out if me
untold cradle
doomfist is literally all that orisa has tbh
limpid agate
The only way a hero will permanently die is if the voice actor dies
void ferry
Mercy we come back and get them
worthy rose
they can replace the voice actor
peak escarp
@void ferry that has nothing to do with who she is as a character
untold cradle
i could see her getting killed by doomfist again and having some sort of redemption arc
limpid agate
In which they will just write a comic send off
worthy rose
eh orisa is literally a month old too early for her to die
void ferry
@peak escarp great character and great lote shes just annoying in game mechanivs but besides that lore wise shes amazing
worthy rose
im just saying she super fucking young
void ferry
What about either soldier or reaper going back to finsih each other off
worthy rose
i think and older person should be killed off
untold cradle
soldier or reaper finishing each other off is like the infinity war 2
something like that
worthy rose
reaper would win
but he would feel sad
but i honestly dont want reaper to turn good
void ferry
Reaper should win and another hero is introduced as fucking soldier back from the dead. They need to do something about liao
worthy rose
widowmaker is the one who should turn good
void ferry
But can someone telle me who the black lady was in anas short
worthy rose
my guess is mirembe
void ferry
Who
void ferry
I know tons of lore but never heard if her
peak escarp
From the group picture? Didn't look like Mirembe
worthy rose
search overwatch mirember on google and u will see her
void ferry
What is a mirembe and how have i never heard of her
peak escarp
Mirembe was one of the agents named and seen in the comic Legacy
void ferry
Oh that was her
peak escarp
She was also one of the agents Winston sent the recall to
worthy rose
well we dont know if its her but im guessing its her
void ferry
I just didnt know cause everyone always mentioned liao and not her for people they didnt know
peak escarp
Not the same person in Ana's group photo
void ferry
Thats definitely her
worthy rose
troll
worthy rose
i want one of the heroes from the winston short to be a hero
void ferry
Im waiting for athena but that would jyst throw off a lot like the map call iuts
Like dva gets a triple kill and she is one of them and she talks from the dead
void ferry
Yeah
limpid agate
Thats not her
This is the Ana Photo
With colour
Mirembe
Mirembe's only distinct feature is she is black with blonde hair.
Not that she has robot arms
valid shell
@void ferry
dire timber
playable Miremembe and Kimiko when
void ferry
@valid shell they look similar as she couldve dyed her hair
dire timber
uh
it's definitely not the same person
please stop pushing weird forced rationalizations for why two different people are the same just cause you want them to be
... I mean, I did somewhat do that with the mohawk guy, but that still feels less forced than "well, they're both black women"
valid shell
Extremely?
Group shot's hair is swept back and darker and looks shorter.
Mirembe's hair is more unruly and has a decisive part and bangs.
limpid agate
Its not even the same colour
valid shell
Their collar armor isn't even close.
timid eagle
She could be related.
She could even be her father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.
limpid agate
Yeah there's a ~15 year gap between the Ana Photo and Legacy
peak escarp
The woman in Ana's photo would be 40+
limpid agate
And a 20 year gap between the photo and Recall
regal coyote
well I dont think those are the same character.
Granted, hairstyles and aoutfit can be changed over the years
If anything almost NO ONE in the picture keeps the same outfit.
fringe shell
Do you guys wanna know why they call me frogger?
worthy rose
nobody cares and dont post your troll shit in lore lad
fringe shell
Lol
short scaffold
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worthy rose
Theres a theory that hammond is a junker mech fighter
i dont want that
i rather that role for junkerqueen
limpid agate
@worthy rose It makes no sense
It's just people trying to tie everything in this one picture together
Like Doomfist Hammond
Or Ana "Sombra" Amari
lean silo
Hammond, a decidedly African last name, just as Doomfist is a revered first name of the Oladele tribe. /s
Yeah, no
Judging from the short Hammond's tied to KR
not korea
king's row
But we're still assuming it's Hammond
There was also a junker poster on that wall iirc and someone mentioned that the Queen's weapons are gone from the Junkertown map, but I'd have to confirm that
limpid agate
Small chance it's not. Small, but still possible
lean silo
I wouldn't mind getting tossed for a red herring just this once
limpid agate
Twice in a row? Doubt it
lean silo
What was last time?
The only time I can think of was Orisa
But that was more like using Orisa as more Doomfist lore tbh
limpid agate
This is literally the perfect set up for the Queen to be 29 without forcing her uncomfortably out of nowhere
Emre
white cobalt
Junker could be meele and a ult calling mecha
white cobalt
Yes
limpid agate
First Brig teaser had nothing to do with her
lean silo
And yeah, if they're already prepping for 29, that would be cool
limpid agate
Name-dropping Emre instead
lean silo
Emre reminds me of Emrys which is Welsh for "immortal" but I don't think it's relevant
Watch that be 30
white cobalt
Unlike Max which have some apparitions
limpid agate
It was her second teaser that made Brig relevant
lean silo
Oh, right, is there a new teaser out yet? I've lost track of the days
white cobalt
And a icon in OW
lean silo
it's now the 24th is all i know