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#lore-discussion
gusty nova
Hi I’m new here to discord and I like this conversation all ready
lean prawn
it's lore-based overwatch conversations here
regal coyote
Ok, to put it simple Lucio is an internationally famous DJ. On world tour even. In rl korea they actually made a promo with a travelling agent on a tour to places of overwatch. With Lucio tie in. So at least Lucio's status as a famous DJ is confirmed. But NOTHING other than that
D.Va is obviously famous. Famous enough to be shown on prime time christmas tv commercials.
She also does twitch like things of her gaming, besides being a poster child for Korean military.
Mei is famous cause of her story, on top of being a good scientist. She is also famous enough to make talks on tv, as seen on the same christmas panel.
Junkrat/Roadhog is famous cause of their wonderful travelling stories. They visit banks and jewel vaults in different places, and have gotten much exploding attentions
So yeah people would KNOW these people as much as we "know" Kayne West.
peak escarp
there's also the famous/infamous wanted criminals . . . McCree, Soldier 76, Reaper, Shrike
iron plume
of those only McCree is known by name to public though
So I wouldn't really call the others famous
peak escarp
their personas are famous
iron plume
at least not in the same sense as dva and lucio
limpid agate
Everyone is famous
More or less
Its really just...
Pharah, Hanzo, Widowmaker, Orisa, Brigitte, and Zenyatta
And even of those, Widow is probably known for some of her assassinations
iron plume
It's a case of "figure on TV" famous vs "is likely to get recognized on the street" famous
wouldn't Brigitte be at least somewhat known from Rein's travels
iron plume
well yeah
but you don't think people wouldn't go "this massive german guy in armor who also used to be in Overwatch now goes around Europe vigilanting the shit out of people" and post it everywhere?
limpid agate
Yeah, and no one would give a shit about Brigitte
iron plume
It's not what he's famous for
But the travels themselves would be famous
idk, she'd keep showing up around him, people would take note at least
Not on the level of OW agents or the in-universe celebrities, but I bet she'd get recognized
limpid agate
Do you know who George Clooney is?
iron plume
yes?
limpid agate
Do you know Talia Balsam?
iron plume
That's a faulty analogy
limpid agate
Okay
iron plume
and also not what I'm talking about
limpid agate
Do you know Terry Fox
Guy who travellled across Canada with 1 leg (Or at least tried to and died halfway)
He is a huge deal in Canada.
iron plume
I don't know "Terry Fox", but I know "Guy who tried to travel across Canada on one leg"
limpid agate
Massive deal
Probably one of the most famous Canadians
No one knows the name of his brother, who was with him the entire time
That's Brigitte
iron plume
Which is kinda my point
People wouldn't know "Brigitte Lindholm", but some would recognize "The girl who shows up with Reinhardt everywhere"
peak escarp
Canadian here
can confirm
no idea who his brother is, but Terry Fox is a national icon
limpid agate
Or, have you heard of Don Quixote
Who is the character Rein is partially based on
What's his companion's name
The one that Brigitte is the standin for
iron plume
The one that was actually sane
But it's not like I specifically mentioned that about the name
limpid agate
And the Terry Fox example?
iron plume
I know more about a hitchhiking "robot" than I do about Terry Fox
iron plume
If there was a real-life superman you bet your ass I'd want to know as much about his sidekicks as possible
about everything related to him
Overwatch is both full of people with super-abilities and a controversial organization
You don't think 2076's TMZ would dig into their sightings?
10 Things You Didn't Know About Reinhardt Wilhelm
iron plume
That's a more fair point but Torb has never looked like much or been the face of Overwatch
limpid agate
Aside from being one of the six heroes of the Omnic Crisis, as well as the Uprising that explicitly made those involved big in the public eye
iron plume
That in itself is a bit of a stretch
iron plume
the not knowing
But assuming people in overwatch universe forget everything that happened more than five years ago, which seems to be the case, I guess Rein's adventures won't be well shared
limpid agate
Swedish dwarves with robot arms and eyepatches arent exactly common.
wanton nacelle
hero 28 should come next month 😂 since 4 month gap per hero
cunning ledge
Reinhardt's been on at least one poster too
dire timber
I mean
they definitely knew about Overwatch, but it is possible that not everyone would recognize Overwatch's chief engineer right away
regal coyote
Just remember that Torby is backend support most of the time. And for thsoe who has onlys een his mugshot so to speak, they may not know of his glorious height
Also 76 and Tracer and Winston had been on those headline news scrollers I think
Well I think some fo them is on the chinese scrollers
Oh Orisa is known to news, though she is more like "Efi's newly made servant" or soemthing
regal coyote
well she is known as the invention of efi's project
as said, efi is the real hero here, but sicne she is not equipped to be playable orisa is just her proxy
but yeah some people here complain when i call Orisa slave, in reality she is just a toaster that works for efi
worthy rose
I think orisa only cares about efi's and the citizens' safety
cedar galleon
Pretty much, of all the robots in-game she seems the least sentient. Even bastion seems truly independant. Orisa still heavily does what shes programmed to do
The only thing distinguishing her from an actual turret is her seemingly genuine sweetness
worthy rose
there is an unused voiceline where orisa gets glitchy sound while making a statement about her system's security
but I guess voicelines aren't count as lore (especially the unused ones)
regal coyote
yesorisa has least personality, hell she has less personality than a twilight character... or Bastion's bird
then again Orisa is born yesterday, for real. She can learn
iron plume
less shitposting please
terse oak
whole terrace
valid shell
I'm guessing Brigitte named it.
I don't think Reinhardt himself is aware of the parallels to Don.
regal coyote
it a cute one
crude raft
Do you guys think white dome or whatever it was called will be expanded upon?
valid shell
I doubt it.
Blizzard saying that they had no plans for Emre means they never intended to expand on it.
white cobalt
Wait, we have confirmation about White Dome?
Also we haven't see Ana/Morrison in action in any lore event.
And Reyes
cunning ledge
Ana in Overwatch as a lore event would be odd because she didn't use the healing rifle at that time
white cobalt
They could tweak her rifle, but would be a hassle for Blizz just for a 2-3 weeks lore event.
regal coyote
already ability to tweak in custom games
maybe make it so that it heals zero and still do damage to tnemy
to be honest young ana would function like widow without the ult and the spider mine
she had dronestrikes
cunning ledge
Then it's still a damaging dart gun
There's a very explicit description of her very real gun that shoots very real bullets
cunning ledge
There is actually a yellow thing that looks like a dart on the top of the gun
And an ammo cylinder like the dart gun
Because it's a skin in the game too obviously
But ignore that because it's explictly a bullet gun
Seems like the main thing changed for the comic is the look of the scope
chilly peak
Hi
In OWL Stage 4, during Horizon Lunar Colony matches, they play this map's theme. But it's something different, I didn't hear it anywhere.
https://clips.twitch.tv/HomelyVibrantNeanderthalWow
I wonder if it's connected to reworked Horizon or to something that comes after this.
Or maybe it's just full mix which has been made just like for many other maps, like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HElAirND0aE
cunning ledge
@chilly peak this playlist has all the music, including OWL music
without this I never would have known that one of the OWL songs is actually Sonhos Ômnicos, one of Lucio's songs canonically
chilly peak
@limpid agate nope, it's different
cunning ledge
3 I believe
limpid agate
I count 4
I dont know if there's a fifth
In your playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SaGo1FQnTM&index=96&list=PLWFYZb-mcJq0PPZYqEVWgJEWfGzDdpvrY
cunning ledge
Just the speed (We Move Together As One), healing (Rejuvenescencia), and Sonhos Ômnicos
Oh yeah wow I forgot that was on the album
Probably because they cut the name in half for some reason
limpid agate
Its a reupload 🤷
cunning ledge
So yeah that makes 4
limpid agate
Theres also the other Jazzy song
cunning ledge
The one that translates to drop the beat might be supposed to be represented by the ult sound effect
cunning ledge
Suppose that one isn't canon unfortunately
Also there's that one called Legacy
But it's pretty clearly not related to the comic and is just a version of the OW theme used for Gibraltar
Possibly it's in a short like the start of the Cinematic Trailer?
Actually I take that back
It could be the comic
Mostly because there's also one called Old Soldiers there
worthy rose
@limpid agate hey, do you know reidor?
limpid agate
You need to be more specific
worthy rose
he hosts a bunch of game music
limpid agate
No
worthy rose
including overwatch music
cunning ledge
Is that relevant to this?
worthy rose
old breach
Weeeeee
valid shell
@old breach ?
slim scaffold
limpid agate
@slim scaffold Shitposting will result in a loss of access
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
sturdy hearth
D E S P A C I T O
limpid agate
@sturdy hearth Final warning, read above
fallow wagon
I have a good time to get the same as the original transmission
tiny dragon
Hi, how are you
I'm bothering
Does anyone speak Portuguese or English?
alguém fala em português ou so inglês
valid shell
@tiny dragon English.
tiny dragon
I speak both of them I'm in Rio Grande do Sul
worthy rose
New hero teasers?!
hollow timber
brigitte's been out 4 months already? o.O
exotic hare
Wow
near oxide
I was thinking of Hammond as well since, well I just started playing, but noticed he was also missing from the tracker along with Winston.
Any info on Hammond? If he was the cause of the uprising? Was thinking that he’d be a villain character anyways.
iron plume
Hammond being the leader/cause of the uprising is a popular theory but it's not confirmed
all we know is that he's missing, possibly somewhere still on the colony
He escaped before the fall and a base scientist warned about it
quasi schooner
On the topic of HLC, would there be a reason for there being like, three jars of peanut butter in space?
flint briar
Winston would be the reason for the peanut butter, one way or another. as for Hammond, it is theorized that he will be a chimpanzee
iron plume
if you mean like originally, they sent it as part of provisions, presumably for the scientists
and Harold gave "our" winston some, so there's some in his room now
near oxide
The ape likes his peanut butter.
lean silo
It's basically a lore-compliant Easter egg.
I'm kinda hoping he's not a chimp just for some variety. also i don't like chimps but that's the most likely scenario considering you'd need opposable thumbs for that blueprint.
unless they want to pull a fast one and turn him into a raccoon or something else with "thumbs"
vagrant crystal
Hmm is there a posibility for an overwatch movie. the plot of the game core lore is actually better than the most animated movies nowadays.
cunning ledge
what plot?
nova elbow
where does that version of Hard Time come from? is that the music that plays in the Numbani spawn?
quasi schooner
No, I mean like outside the airlock space
cunning ledge
Because it's funny to see them drift off into space when you walk outside
The airlock being there makes no sense lore wise
If they ever show the map in lore it won't be located there
quasi schooner
Eh fair enough. I was hoping there would be a sensible reason
cunning ledge
Just like how Dorado is heavily modified in Hero and King's Row is heavily modified in Alive
cunning ledge
The rooms that the subjects lived in would be all close together
Currently in the map there's three randomly close together right underneath a door outside the base
Which leads to a gigantic cliff for some reason
quasi schooner
Hmmmm
tbh tho the airlock was probably just because people would complain if they had a space base where you couldn’t go outside
cunning ledge
It's obviously the obligatory enviro kill zone too
Very few maps don't have an enviro kill zone
quasi schooner
^^
quasi schooner
I think anubis
quasi schooner
Yeh
covert rock
Not ecopoint antarctica
quasi schooner
Yeh, but going off of that I do t think JR does
cunning ledge
@covert rock ah shit true
cunning ledge
JR?
quasi schooner
junkensteins revenge
quasi schooner
fairs
quasi schooner
yeh it does
quasi schooner
in the part behind the door there is a massive drop right before the cap
cunning ledge
What
covert rock
What/who do you think the next short will be about
quasi schooner
When you get to the final OR-14 there is a massive drop
cunning ledge
I'm thinking either Pharah or Neo Overwatch for next short
quasi schooner
I’m pretty sure
cunning ledge
Possibly both
Also didn't they like
Specifically remove those so you can't cheese kill the boss
covert rock
Yeah they did
quasi schooner
🤦
covert rock
There are no holes on uprising kings row
quasi schooner
But there is on ret 🤔
cunning ledge
None of the Retribution heroes have knockback abilities
quasi schooner
Yeh I guess
But if you were stupid you could dash off it
That’s probably the other reason for no holes in uprising
iron plume
heroes get reset tho
nah that wouldn't have been a problem
uprising all heroes pulls down dead ppl who die in unreachable places
quasi schooner
I thought if you died without being resed in time it was GO
quasi schooner
Not if you’re inside the
iron plume
your marker appears on the edge
quasi schooner
bht where would you be resed to?
cunning ledge
on the edge?
quasi schooner
Surely straight back in the water
iron plume
no
quasi schooner
damn, now I want to play uprising just to test this
iron plume
did that never happen in your retribution games or something
iron plume
your marker appears on the edge where you fell
quasi schooner
but I only played normal/hard
iron plume
and that's where you get returned to
quasi schooner
On xbox
woven moon
💯 💯 
lol my friend is struugiling
dat boi
cunning ledge
@woven moon serious discussion here please
Shitposting will result in loss of access.
jagged pendant
So what is junks lore?
limpid agate
@jagged pendant http://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/junkrat
Also read his comics/shorts.
Wasted Land: http://bit.ly/2xboQpP
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: http://bit.ly/2fnW89N
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
jagged pendant
He almost is poor
cunning ledge
What
jagged pendant
My man has nothing
cunning ledge
He's got more than a few others
cunning ledge
Appearance in two comics, cool teaser video, and map trailer
jagged pendant
The only thing that is important about my man is that his a criminal
cunning ledge
That's more than Lucio, Zenyatta, Mercy, Orisa, etc
limpid agate
The Junkers have lots of lore
jagged pendant
Orisa got some cool ones
Lucio:f**k him
Zen:he has enough
Mercy:enough as well
peak escarp
Mercy has plenty of lore, but Lucio and Zen have next to none
limpid agate
Zen has nothing
peak escarp
Junkrat has a little
limpid agate
What do you mean he has enough
If you think he has enough
Please share it with us
peak escarp
I mean, Zen is only 20 so he won't have as much lore as the older heroes just based on that
jagged pendant
He is an omnic that is 20 years and knows alot if thing and can experience tranquility
peak escarp
but we haven't gotten any of it
jagged pendant
And*
cunning ledge
And you think this is all adequately represented in the 0 lore he has?
peak escarp
it's all just biographies and word-of-god info
he hasn't appeared in any animated shorts, and appeared in 1 frame in 1 comic
jagged pendant
Ok maby zen is poor of lore
But my main must get more
peak escarp
he did get some lore kinda recently, with Junkertown
limpid agate
That despite having nothing to do with the rest of the cast
They have enough content to make their own story arc
We have 2 comics, a mini short, a unique styled origin short, 2 heroes and a map worth of bios.
jagged pendant
Dang maye im sorry
limpid agate
Even an entire supporting character that is highly requested and also unrelated to everyone but Junkrat and Roadhog, being the Queen.
Most important NPCs are tied to Talon or Overwatch
Or are omnics
peak escarp
I think we all want more lore for our favourites
lean silo
I would like more balanced lore
As in
That's enough junkers can someone explain why D.Va and Lucio are wrapped up in this
also, that anime Doomfist short was great
needs more.
cunning ledge
Yeah the Doomfist origins was very cool
lean silo
Zen is definitely up there on lore too, all we have of him is that he's a sooper special omnic monk.
lean silo
Like alright but why is Zen the hardass who isn't afraid to beat the shit out of people in order to experience tranquility
lean silo
idk he conflicted with Mondatta
cunning ledge
He left the Shambali yeah
peak escarp
I think that was less a physical fight and maybe just a verbal one
limpid agate
He did conflict with Mondatta
lean silo
and as far as I remember from what little info we've been given, he seems to be a little more okay with combat than the other Shambali
peak escarp
they disagreed on how to best spread their message
lean silo
Mondatta sought the dogmatic approach. Zen desired an individual-based approach.
limpid agate
Their disagreement wasnt about violence
lean silo
I never said it was ;p
peak escarp
Mondatta wanted speeches and sermons and isolation, Zenyatta wanted one-on-one contact with humans and integrating with them
lean silo
I just mentioned that Zen seemed a bit more partial to it and that blew out of proportion in an instant.
See above.
limpid agate
We have nothing to suggest he is
lean silo
That's the thing, I feel like I read it somewhere but who knows
Either way, he could use more backstory.
right now he's filler with a character.
regal coyote
Zen is a trope. I said it and i will said it again. unfortunately the trope name is either "magic black person" or "magic chinese person" (please replace it with N word of more racial term for trope finding)
limpid agate
dire timber
sigh
do we really have to use this fucking expression over and over again
it's absolutely unnecessary
peak escarp
I don't feel like that trope really applies
regal coyote
as I said, we should not exclude a trope cause of its name, but I do think they should ahve an updated name for this trope
dire timber
I think it's pointless to think of it this way
let me add an emphasis
absolutely unnecessary
regal coyote
we ahve to agree to disagree on this one i think
dire timber
why exactly?
clinging to tropes is obnoxious
I don't need to constantly hear about a specific trope when disgusting characters
and I don't want to
regal coyote
my point is, Zen is a monkly zen being with extraodrinary knowledge. He does not have story of his own. His whole existance so far seem to be to help others, and currently the one being helped is genji
We know blizz love tropes and memes. it is just how it is
regal coyote
in fact part of the reason of populatity is those piled up tropes and mmes
peak escarp
I think it matches more with the mentor role from the hero's journey than anything
dire timber
well, Tracer's bio isn't spammed with constant "she's a Genki Girl" "she's a Genki Girl" "she's a Genki Girl" "she's a Genki Girl" "she's a Genki Girl"
regal coyote
mentor role is different, that would be like splinter in TMNT, splinter have roles yes but also good back story and personality
peak escarp
Zen has a backstory/personality, we just haven't been given it yet
regal coyote
but unfortunately many spam Tracer "she's gay" and you see people memeing that here too. So it is worse if anything
dire timber
🤦🏻
regal coyote
Zen's personality is typical of trope, check his voicelines.
it fits into the typical magical whatever role, talking in slightly mystic terms and what not
regal coyote
or the monk in any action flick ever that teaches the main characters their things.
hence the trope
peak escarp
the magical negro trope isn't the mystical monk trope
worthy rose
I like the monk trope better
regal coyote
yes another name for the monk subtype of this trope is called "magic chinaman" ( there i said it, and i am part chinese if you wonder)
peak escarp
you could have just said "Magic asian"
regal coyote
back when the 80s and 90s they the trops carry differently
the chinese type is the mystic, and the japanese types are the ninjas ro samurai types
regal coyote
so yeah the monks go on the chinese types
actually most characters are super tropey
blizz love tropes and mme as said
dire timber
I guess what I said just flew over everyone's heads
peak escarp
I hate tropes anyway
iron plume
Just about any characteristic or action is a trope
there's nothing wrong with them unless you abuse it
valid shell
It's hard to hate tropes, because they're hardly a new invention.
iron plume
also because they're literally everywhere
valid shell
If you see a good knight in white armor and an evil knight in black, you wouldn't say "OOF WHAT A TROPE" when it's in every fantasy story since the 70's and earlier.
steel current
People can hate certain tropes tho
iron plume
but then if you put a good knight in black he's an antihero or misunderstood hero, both of which are also tropes
iron plume
there's also bad use of tropes
which I'd argue overwatch teeters on sometimes
but not very passionately
lean silo
Yeah, you kinda can't win with symbolism anymore
Unless you do an obscure, story-specific motif.
peak escarp
I just hate reducing a character down to just a trope, rather than treating them as a unique character
limpid agate
I think their point was Zen has so little lore he is just a trope
He needs lore to evolve past that
lean silo
He's basically the exotic foreign mystic
valid shell
@peak escarp Therein lies the difference.
On launch, McCree was just a generic American Cowboy.
But since then, he's had just enough development for him to become a pretty nuanced character, the idealist in Blackwatch, a heart of gold with a shit upbringing who's decided to go solo in order to be a peacekeeper.
Zenyatta, like McCree, started as just a trope, but hasn't had any development, so he remains a stereotype.
worthy rose
can someone explain to me d.vas lore/background im so confused, shes a pro gamer, in the korean army, and also an actress?
limpid agate
Yes
Thats it
DVa has no lore
Even her own bio is mostly about MEKA and the kaiju, and not about her
valid shell
@worthy rose https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/dva/
Click Story.
That's everything you need to know.
limber kernel
cunning ledge
Barely
regal coyote
the thing is, rather than telling us more about zen's back story there are other ways to add lore on Zen. A way that would keep him a mystery and yet give us info.
We can have stories of people meeting zen instead.
fringe pewter
Genji
regal coyote
that way we can see mroe of zen and hsi actions without telling us his story
genji is only ONE person.
we need zen to meet more people
valid shell
And a cinematic/comic about Zenyatta meeting Genji could just as easily be a Genji story more than Zen's.
I would rather see Zen on a pilgrimage to a map that doesn't have a cinematic yet, maybe Numbani or Anubis, and helping people.
lean silo
Anubani. The ultimate compromise.
But for real seeing Zen figure out his own philosophy and split from the Shambali would be interesting
lean minnow
Who else desperately wants a mccree cinematic?
limpid agate
Desperately?
No
McCree has quite a bit
More wouldnt be too bad, but its not in high demand
limpid agate
She also has no lore and could really use anything
limpid agate
@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access
Final warning
Moving swiftly onwards
real kernel
LUL
near oxide
So how are they expanding the lore and adding story and such? Just videos, comics, and character banter?
limpid agate
Its inconsistent, but yes
near oxide
Just always believed they had all this stuff going for it but it’s just PvP.
limpid agate
The only lore that is inconsistent is 2 shorts
1 at Gamescom (august)
1 at Blizzcon (November)
Everything else happens when they please.
We usually get lore with the Archives event and hero releases though
near oxide
But then a game that was just for story....well then that’d be Battleborn wouldn’t it? Haha.
limpid agate
But what kind is a mystery
peak escarp
I'm almost 100% certain now that Pharah's father is from Vancouver
peak escarp
evidence #1 - Pharah's Raindancer/Thunderbird skins are a reference to her heritage on her father's side. They use designs that are common to the tribes of the Pacific Northwest.
Michael Chu said Pharah is not a Bruins fan - this is most likely a reference to the 2011 Stanely Cup, in which the Vancouver Canucks played the Boston Bruins to game 7 in the finals and lost, leading to a pretty big riot and a lot of damage to the city
and lastly . . . the only major Canadian cities in the Pacific Northwest are Victoria and Vancouver, and Vancouver is by far more well known (and thus more likely to be picked by an American as the hometown of a Canadian character from the PNW)
cunning ledge
You've sold me
cunning ledge
Pharah's dad is
near oxide
so she’s half Canadian
This....changes things.
Otherwise I like that guy’s theory and evidence.
scenic vale
imagine the twist if hammond was like a tiny racoon or rabbit or some shit
or even better a huge racoon or rabbit
cunning ledge
Hammond is quite clearly a primate of some sort though
Can't be a rabbit because Hammond has written things
scenic vale
you never know he could have been genetically modified lol
cunning ledge
Genetically modified to be intelligent? Sure
Genetically modified to have fucking opposable thumbs? Pls no
scenic vale
hahaha if it is a primate i hope its a chimp
near oxide
Orangutan
scenic vale
giant pandas also have opposable thumbs
for all we know they might just pull a fast one on us and hero 28 could be maximillien or a completely new hero
scenic vale
a guy probably
valid shell
@near oxide And now the ratio is 12 males, 12 females, 3 robots.
One male robot, one female robot, and one agender robot.
scenic vale
so in fact it could be either or neither
cunning ledge
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
iron plume
there are less human dudes though because winston
female hammond when
craggy bramble
cunning ledge
haha meme
regal coyote
@peak escarp Unlikely Victoria. Vancouver is a much bigger city and more accessable. Victoria if fucking out of nowhere. Well, it is pretty and hav emuch more historical value, but it is also on an island.
Spurce: Lived in BC are before so I know.
(Not making joke about Pharah being able to speak chinese better than french, which is most likely the case)
worthy rose
I still think that hammond is a capuchin monkey
jolly kiln
I hope whoever it is, they're not a hybrid class like most of the other heroes we've gotten. And I hope that their story corresponds with the main lore because it was kind of disheartening to see that all the lore we get from Brigitte is "I am Torbjorn's daughter and Reinhardt's squire." We didn't get any main storyline buildups like with Doomfist/Moira's release
iron plume
who aside from brigitte and very arguably sombra is a hybrid class?
jolly kiln
I mean, Orisa has enough damaging abilities, and even though Doomfist isn't very tanky, he still gains shields for every ability he hits, which allows him to soak up quite a bit of damage
iron plume
yyyyeah no
hidden dawn
i dont either
lean silo
they're not hybrids no
brigitte is the only hybrid
I'm just hoping it's a tank tbh
we are in dire need of tanks
gameplay aside, they're dropping enough hints with Horizon to suggest it's probably Hammond but we don't know
everyone thought Doomfist was coming, then Orisa showed up instead
scenic vale
they could easily cuck us for another 4 months
lean silo
Unless my memory's mixed up
Yeah. that's it
Orisa, March 21st. Doomfist, July 27th
I mean the last couple weeks were all "spider tank OwO" but up until that speculation started everyone just assumed it would be doom
Then Moira came out of nowhere with zero warning
iron plume
Her specific character was very little warning but the concept was out there for a while
both "evil Talon healer" and vampiric-esque
steel current
Now that I think about it, they probably wanted to add a few counters to the game before adding such a powerful hero like Doomfist
That and fix some of his bugs
peak escarp
@regal coyote The only reason I can think of that they would make Sam from Victoria is that that's where our government is, and iirc he works in the government.
Source: I live in Vancouver. Nobody gives a shit about Victoria.
limpid agate
Victoria is the capital
But Vancouver is the city
@lean silo You're dates are release dates
Not reveal or first teaser dates
Ana - July 6 - http://bit.ly/29s7Jls
Doomfist - July 4 - http://bit.ly/2tn45mk (Reveal same week)
lean silo
@limpid agate I was referring to the fact that we got totally thrown for a loop with orisa when everyone was expecting doomfist
limpid agate
Not everyone
But yes, they do release weird heroes from time to time
But the weird heroes usually have clues
regal coyote
@limpid agate Both Me and Six lived in BC so we would know. To be fair the Victoria place is pretty, and there are mny nice gardens and stuff on that island. But other than council level stuff for the government msot activity happens in the Vancouver city side. So if he is a civil servant he might well be in the city also. Then again there are many interersting things in the greater area. So he might not live in the city at all. Might be park ranger! Come to think of it there are a few first nations areas near the costal places. That would make sense too
limpid agate
Unless you're Cnaadian, you don't know what Victoria is
They'll just make him from Vancouver.
Its not like they're gonna go make a hero from Brampton or Mississauga instead of Toronto.
peak escarp
I know he's not a hero so it probably isn't important, but are any of the heroes from more obscure cities?
regal coyote
Mississauga here, haha. Next we get a Yellow Knife hero.
Actually my interest on Sam is more about the native lineago on PHarah
limpid agate
I would be very surprise if they gave us a Brampton Vishkar rep. It would be fitting but surprising.
regal coyote
in a way it would make sense if it would be a person from soem nsignificant small-ish town, and moving to the city later on in life.
regal coyote
like you can have a hero from some shit trailorpark in alabama but living in NYC
limpid agate
Right, but shit like Victoria and Mississauga are hardly shit trailerparks
They're still major cities
peak escarp
well, Morrison was from Bloomington, Indiana
that's not the most significant city in the area
limpid agate
There we go
peak escarp
it was probably picked to give him farm-town roots
limpid agate
Victoria is a capital. Brampton and Mississauga are part of the GTA, but big enough to still be top 10 in the country.
But I doubt anyone from the states have heard of any of these
peak escarp
what list is that? city by size? population?
limpid agate
Population
peak escarp
if you count the metropolitan areas around those cities, Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver should be the top of the list
limpid agate
Yup
I was just trying to make the point that there are some nothing cities that no one knows about that are massive
limpid agate
Of these 3, the only one I have ever heard a non-Canadian know is Brampton
You can guess where they were from.
peak escarp
since it was mentioned earlier, Mei's hometown is a pretty big city
population of 8.7 million, and a metropolitan area with 12.9 million
limpid agate
Ok so just Soldier is from nowhere
limpid agate
Oyo is the former capital I thought
peak escarp
it is
it's just small
and Sombra is from Dorado, which we don't have stats on since it's a fictional city
same with Hanamura for Genji/Hanzo, but I believe Hanamura is supposed to be a district in Tokyo?
regal coyote
wait? Hamstermura is in tokyo? I though it would be in a more ancient area clsoer to kyoto or something
limpid agate
Nope, its part of Tokyo
peak escarp
everyone else is from cities I've heard of, so even if they aren't the biggest in the area they're at least well known
valid shell
...It's so fucking weird to hear you guys talking about cities I've been in/lived in.
That never happens online.
pure kernel
We are watching you
timid eagle
Can’t wait for the new system.
As for #28, I don’t care what the character is, so long as it’s a new Main Tank.
void pecan
Interesting choice
torpid grotto
Zippidy do dah zippidy dank I hope the new character is a tank
pastel trellis
U mean winston's brother or just some random tank?
fresh briar
We don't need another dps
weak path
Are we just gonna right of Lucios dad as a new hero.
I'd be cool if he was a tank that was able to throw up temporary mini Orisa shields that can gather and shoot back damage like Zarya or Genji. Just a thought. Might be OP in execution though.
valid shell
Gameplay roles and meta discussion goes in #overwatch guys.
weak path
K
limpid agate
This is for character and lore
The only place "tank" discussion has here
Is which characters are tanks
Hammond
Hamid
Maximillien
Sanjay
Emre
Are any of these characters "tanks"
Sanjay has hard light, and Emre is a total enigma.
But they're the least likely
Hammond, the most likely in my eyes, is a small primeape
regal coyote
small ape in giant robot
if it were hammond
this would also solve the problem of an extra small hard to hit chracter for gameplay
Hamid is unknown, probably namedrop
max himself is for sure not tank. only way this works is if he has huge bodyguard robot proxy to tank for him while he stands in the back
sanjay has hardlight which can be anything, but his personality once again does not fit to be tank, like Max.
Emre can be anything really, even a namedrop
quasi schooner
Maybe a heavy hitter, but low fire rate?
short scaffold
This
regal coyote
am talking about character personality really.
since ow is gameplay first it somewhat affects lore development and who is likely to be recieving lore and become playable
in this case if we were to get max, for example, we would have mroe lore on him along with his mooks
frosty star
i've brought this up a few times but i would love to see a Hardlight tank
though likely it would be another barrier specialist or CC heavy using hardlight
so I'm hoping for Sanjay
valid shell
A smaller male tank would be nice.
severe oxide
last inlet
Saw that and came here too, huh
cunning ledge
H y p e
severe oxide
Lucio, Hammond, take your pick
nova elbow
is that an existing map?
last inlet
Yeah, the random Lucio art was surprising
cunning ledge
But Horizon is there
severe oxide
doesn't look like a part of KR I recognize
cunning ledge
I don't think it's on a map currently
last inlet
The No Bots graffiti does lend itself to King's Row
pliant radish
No that's Lucio /s
cunning ledge
Pls
limpid agate
Okay so, heres what I think
cunning ledge
Horizon is in London for some reason and Hammond landed there
pliant radish
Maybe it's not the Horizon, but a small place by the same name in London?
limpid agate
Hammond is a monkey
Kings Row is UK
Gibraltar is British Territory
Winston left with Hammond
Both reside in British territory.
severe oxide
they won't explicitly reference Gibraltar being British in the lore
because that would piss off the Spanish
it's also why the map has a generic overwatch flag
(in addition to being an overwatch base)
limpid agate
Fair. Still I think it's Hammond. Can't see it being anyone else
nova elbow
maybe they're hinting a new map rather than a new hero
limpid agate
I don't think they will do a second red herring
last inlet
So soon?
limpid agate
And Max aint British
severe oxide
and they throw lucio in just to piss off us
peak escarp
could be a teaser for a Lucio short
limpid agate
@nova elbow Maybe a London CTF map
last inlet
It is a poster for his tour
peak escarp
and the monkey is a red herring
limpid agate
But I doubt it
last inlet
Those are everywhere
severe oxide
guys, I got it. The new Lucioball arena is gonna be in London
limpid agate
No
last inlet
If it's the Lucio short which just ends up being a Hammond intro, that'd be rude
severe oxide
it's got Lucio and a ball
limpid agate
It's gonna be Russia
severe oxide
and summer is coming
limpid agate
For the World Cup
severe oxide
I know it should be russia
last inlet
Next year?
severe oxide
well, maybe that's not King's Row then
iron plume
which will be a month passed by the time SG is out
limpid agate
If that's what this is, I will be pissed off
severe oxide
nah, it is, the writings are in English
iron plume
olympics were at the same time
severe oxide
Australia Lucioball was for no reason though
limpid agate
I mean if this is legitimately a Lucioball teaser
severe oxide
maybe it's lore significant Lucioball
last inlet
Couldn't be
split gyro
last inlet
Well, I guess it could be
severe oxide
@split gyro Junkyard?
last inlet
More like, why go through the trouble of reminding people of Horizon and the primates with that, too?
split gyro
sounds reasonable 
severe oxide
Lucioball in SPAAAACE
last inlet
Would hate instantly
split gyro
i want spacedog
peak escarp
wasn't the name of the mech arena at Junkertown "the Scrapyard"?
last inlet
I wanted spacecat
limpid agate
I'll look at this more detail on my computer
severe oxide
yeah something like that
split gyro
spacedog is pictured on that
last inlet
But dog is also good 🐶
severe oxide
scrapyard yeah
peak escarp
you can kinda see an S on the other side of the poster that's on top of that one
severe oxide
the font is very junkertown
severe oxide
"Building our future in space. To-"
severe oxide
sounds about right
last inlet
Are these posters new?
severe oxide
yes
last inlet
Then we can't check them anywhere else. Makes sense
severe oxide
is the NO BOTS with a strike over the O typical of Kings Row graffiti?
last inlet
These would've been a big deal already.
solar inlet
I’m thinking dorado
last inlet
Like a null set?
solar inlet
Thy have an anti stance against omnivores
severe oxide
those damn omnivores
last inlet
Can confirm we omnivores are p suspicuous
solar inlet
Well there’s that one w all the sogne
last inlet
And has Spanish
solar inlet
True
last inlet
In space no one can hear you woof
solar inlet
Could be before dorado before the power issue
severe oxide
no, there's Lucio, so it's recent
solar inlet
How long ago was dorados power issue?
last inlet
I kinda doubt it, since Dorado seems to have mostly Spanish writing
solar inlet
Maybe somewhere we don’t know? Like Brazil and viskar
last inlet
No Bots and Blood Not Circuits doesn't match that
severe oxide
I can't think of a map that doesn't use the local language on writings
solar inlet
Maybe hey put it in English so we could read it
severe oxide
maybe Oasis and Numbani?
last inlet
If anything
solar inlet
Cus numbani is English
last inlet
They'd put it in the native language
solar inlet
Course that is made up
last inlet
So we know where it is
severe oxide
yeah, that's why I noticed Oasis and Numbani, because those make sense being special cases
solar inlet
Hmmm
severe oxide
but all the other maps have accurate writings
last inlet
It doesn't look like either though
severe oxide
yep
those are by far the two most modern maps right
actually idk if Horizon is more or less modern than Numbani and Oasis
severe oxide
Lijang is very modern as well, though not as much and as consistently
last inlet
Maybe less for Horizon, since it's been more or less abandoned
severe oxide
least modern map is Rialto I'd say. Ilios if you only consider Ruins
or maybe Ayutthaya and Petra
regal coyote
@peak escarp scrapyard would be acceptable name for fighting area on junkerdown, but something closer to "thunderdome" sounds cooler
also note the front monkey is not a chimp or gorilla it is a monkey
severe oxide
necropolis is probably older than Petra, yeah
peak escarp
but . . . Scrapyard is what it's called
severe oxide
it's its name, scrapyard
regal coyote
and interesting in the sense that the diea of monkey in space is tie on to some anti-omnic ideals?
peak escarp
the Queen announces it (or used to) when the payload got to the end of the map
worthy rose
Was that overwatch post about the calm before the storm discussed already
regal coyote
look at tail
last inlet
Currently still being
solar inlet
Currebtly
severe oxide
@peak escarp I forgot we were talking Junkertown, i thought you meant Kings Row and was memeing
I didn't remember queen Elizabeth announcing anything lmao
severe oxide
wait, we didn't discuss the text of the tweet
Calm before the storm
might mean something
severe oxide
even worse than lucioball tbh
cunning ledge
I'll be honest up to this point I thought that the Horizon changes couldn't be a hero teaser because they only happened because of the map update because everyone hated its gameplay
severe oxide
stop trying to make HOTS happen, Blizzard
peak escarp
then it would be on the HotS/Blizzard official twitter, not the OW twitter
chilly peak
Guys, on which map it is recorded? I have flown all over King's Row and Dorado and I couldn't find this place
severe oxide
I mean, yeah, obviously you were wrong
last inlet
It's likely not on any map yet
severe oxide
why would the add that stuff just cause
peak escarp
it's not on any map
last inlet
Probably made internally at Bliz
severe oxide
they don't add lore stuff to maps when they tweak them
solar inlet
Well you can look at an area similar
chilly peak
I guess just for teaser purpose
severe oxide
actually, it could be somewhere in King's Row, just, there are no posters there yet
chilly peak
Yea I know, but I couldn't find place with such placement of pipes, stairs and street lamp
last inlet
Hopefully this doesn't mean a short at King's Row
severe oxide
mmm
chilly peak
Posters doesn't matter
severe oxide
not even right after the choke after point A, on the right?
iron plume
king's row shot
emily being added as a spray
severe oxide
or the stairs next to the final attacking spawn?
iron plume
Tracer short confirmed
severe oxide
or the stairs to the left of the defenders when defending the corner chocke right before point B?
those are all the possible stairs I think
chilly peak
There are no such streetlamps on King's Row like on this teaser
severe oxide
streetlamp could be new as well
severe oxide
could be other street lights
last inlet
Maybe. But do they tend to glow in that color?
severe oxide
in the future maybe
chilly peak
I have very strong feelings about map maker>
They have worked on the new Horizon, maybe in the meanwhile they were making tools for us to do so.
And there is a sentence on this teaser "building our future..."
hollow tree
oh I love going to lore after a tease
frosty star
that new tweet
frosty star
anyone thinking Hammond?
hollow tree
it's gotta be hammond
peak escarp
I think it's a red herring
regal coyote
yes
hollow tree
two monkeys, a really small "horizon" in the bottom
@peak escarp let's feed that thought for a bit. So if it's a red herring, what could this tweet means?
i mean, in your perspective, what do you see?
peak escarp
I think either posters will be removed or posters will be added, and we'll get additional teasers of the same type over the weekend
and only the last one will have anything to do with hero 28
hollow tree
@peak escarp @last inlet oh it will be tweasers and yes, it points to hero 28
chilly peak
there's poster of Scrapyard from Junkertown
frosty shell
I know exactly what they're doing and it has nothing to do with lore
hollow tree
just like Brigitte's release, it gets clearer and clearer until the second to last tweet until Choi Hwa Seok leak it on the Japanese twitter again
frosty shell
They're gonna start selling these posters in the gift shop
hollow tree
@frosty shell capitalism at its best, amirite?
hollow tree
lol ok ok, get back to lore before we get scolded
last inlet
I guess the big takeaway is that there's likely to be more than apes used in Horizon
Unless monkeys were already confirmedm
hollow tree
monkeys were already confirmed
just differs in size
a gorilla, monkey, apes, maybe orangutans
hollow tree
oh yes
last inlet
So like
last inlet
A hyperintelligent spider monkey
hollow tree
because the poster shows a monkey
last inlet
Or something
hollow tree
could be. they are all genetically enhanced
hollow tree
oh they even have dogs!
i couldn't see it before lol. thanks for getting a bigger screenshot on it
peak escarp
teasers for Brigitte:
White Dome report - February 22 (Thursday)
Torbjorn's letter - February 24 (Saturday)
Twitter image tease #1 - February 26 (Monday)
Twitter image tease #2 - February 27 (Tuesday)
Origin Trailer and PTR release - February 28 (Wednesday)
hollow tree
but hammond is a monkey yea? from winston's escape plan
peak escarp
so if they're using the same pattern of teases, expect the next tease in 2 days
worthy rose
a capuchin monkey which is small enough to crawl into the vents
hollow tree
@worthy rose it checks out. The scientists are complaining about Hammond missing, and some noises in the vent
limpid agate
Okay so my thoughts are
Hammond Teaser
Queen for 29
This is NOT a Queen for 28 teaser
Ive seen a few people say that, not sure if they were serious or memeing
worthy rose
if its hammond on the poster its the first picture of him
hollow tree
I can't draw the line between the teaser and queen. I wonder how they get that?
it's gonna be like those who insists that hero 27 is the jetpack cat
it's easy for me to see that the tease is for hammond
limpid agate
Its not just 1 poster of Horizon
hollow tree
but what draws my curiosity is the dog
limpid agate
The poster stretches to behind all the others
worthy rose
because we haven't seen hammond until this poster they posted
formal holly
Why
cunning ledge
But for Hammond relating to a hero or something
hollow tree
maybe to Dr.Hammond?
limpid agate
There is no Dr Hammond
worthy rose
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgPEeFUXUAEhaxi.jpg:large by monkey I mean this
limpid agate
Theres also a dog
See, Im not crazy about saying they would have non-monkey animals
Will be very surprised if Hammond is Jetpack Dog
hollow tree
@limpid agate do you remember winston's escape plan? i forgot whether he includes another monkey or just a picture of winston getting into the escape pod
pure kernel
Hammond could be a dog(?)
limpid agate
@hollow tree Just showed Winston
hollow tree
so it's free game to think hammond could be any animal
pure kernel
Back to square 1
hollow tree
it's always amazing to read @limpid agate 's wisdom lol
hollow tree
what's on the far right?
limpid agate
2 different types of monkey
A dog
And I dont know what the far right is
Because of the Junker poster
But enjoy your Queen for 29
reef river
aww man i am so hype that it is finally happening
limpid agate
PTR next week
Tuesday at the earliest
But probably Wednesday or Thursday
They'll wanna save Tuesday for live Sym
reef river
that's true
but i could see them wanting to maybe hold off on sym so people don't ignore the last few days of comp
to play her in qp or whatever
regal coyote
PLEASE NOTE THERE IS ALSO A HUMAN IN THAT POSTER
limpid agate
Which
regal coyote
it seems to be standing, with red pants
hollow tree
they are not gonna genetically enhance human on horizon
regal coyote
looks like a red thigh that covers part of Cosmo
limpid agate
Meh
regal coyote
Fucking disney is too whimpy to show Cosmo the dog in the movies other than the ending song (by th hoff even) but at least Blizz is showing a poster with a Cosmo
reef river
any thoughts on what "the calm before the storm" could be in reference to?
possibly evil/talon Hamond?
hollow tree
nah
reef river
yeah, Emre was just one throwaway name
last inlet
And didn't even appear
reef river
Emre for me felt like the junkertown queen. Not a tease, but a name to exist in the world that they can pull on when they have the right in-game idea for how to make them work
chilly peak
Speaking of her, did anyone notice there is poster of her and Scrapyard arena?
we can see her
reef river
yeah, I think maybe a subtle tease that she will be hero 29?
definitely feels intentional
hollow tree
jewvia just said that
reef river
cool
chilly peak
next question
on the left side there is... something...
damn I can't post pictures
something yellow and green
chilly peak
oh sorry 😄
limpid agate
I thought it was a second Lucio poster
wicked mountain
When did Brigitte got released?
peak escarp
teasers for Brigitte:
White Dome report - February 22 (Thursday)
Torbjorn's letter - February 24 (Saturday)
Twitter image tease #1 - February 26 (Monday)
Twitter image tease #2 - February 27 (Tuesday)
Origin Trailer and PTR release - February 28 (Wednesday)
hollow tree
a year would have 3 heroes
limpid agate
They add a hero every 4 months.
peak escarp
July is the expected release for the next hero
limpid agate
March/July/November
peak escarp
and we're only a week or so away
wicked mountain
So prob they’re teasing now
Maybe it’s a monkey?
Because there are posters with monkeys
‘Building our future in space’?
I think it’s Hammond
limpid agate
Most likely
The other candidates for 28 were
Hamid (Unrelated)
Sanjay (Unrelated)
Emre (Unrelated)
And Max, who is an omnic
And there is lots of "NO BOTS"
It is 90% Hammond
But if Blizz is doing the red herring again, Max is the only candidate with a chance
Buts its most likely Hammond
wicked mountain
Look at al those texts
limpid agate
No