Now that Anniversary has ended
#lore-discussion
hasty surge
jaunty fox
quasi schooner
Maybe a new defence?
but I would like to see a tank/offence even though there are quite a few
limpid agate
This is lore not gameplay
And defence doesnt exist anymore
Its just Tank/Damage/Support
cerulean hatch
A new builder kinda class would be cool
Something like torb in that aspect but not with turrets
glacial obsidian
Poor Brigitte
regal coyote
Brigitte 100% absolutely sure Brig MSUT be part of the new overwatch IF Rein joins.
glacial obsidian
I think she's against it
regal coyote
Well that is if rein shows up like the blizzyland trailer
Against it or not she would follow Rein to hell and back.
Mercy fucking bitch about people using her tech for weaponized reasons yet she still stayed and worked for overwatch after the bitching.
just because you are against some aspact of it does not mean you wont cooperate.
As for gameplay and lore, we cannot deny there is some corelation. Gameplay is ALWAYS the msot important thing, and as such characters concepts, including the lore, does at least work with such ideas.
Max himself does not fit a tank yes, personality wise.
UNLESS he exist as a handler for giant bodyguard omnic standing in front blocking hots or soemthing.
limpid agate
Even if she was against it in Honour and Glory
Her Origin trailer leaves the opposite impression
She will join just so she can watch over him
But she is in that possibly joined limbo, along with Genji, Torb, and Bastion
regal coyote
but at least we can confirm she moved from purely backend support to the frontline
nova elbow
yeah, I still don't think Brigitte makes sense as a healer, so they do value gameplay more
severe oxide
Oh my God why haven't I ever seen this before https://ibb.co/kqmnud
"the creators chose the top left image" sure, and they probably went "also try and not make her fuck ugly" to the artist
Also, doesn't she look more like the bottom right actually
severe oxide
Second one looks like a crack addict punk
severe oxide
It's kind like both
They did manage to convince the artist that teeth gaps aren't cute
severe oxide
The eyes look bad in all of them
limpid agate
The hairstyle can work under different artists (and with different faces)
limpid agate
Overwatch is pretty anime ^
severe oxide
Don't you know
alpine pivot
Doomfist anime, definitely would watch
cunning ledge
the characters literally yell the names of their ultimate moves when using them
how is this not anime
anyway lore
severe oxide
OW anime so edgy, we see the heroine of the series get fuuuuucked
worthy rose
simply, because ow is not an japan animation :P
severe oxide
"oh so you like the Ninja robot dude? Think he's really cool? Watch him get SMASHED"
limpid agate
The artstyle and character design is a mix of Pixar and Anime overall
Two pictures of the extremes
severe oxide
The hair is anime
limpid agate
And the third is in between
severe oxide
Or, JRPG
cunning ledge
the first picture is a cursed image tbh
severe oxide
Tracer has lots of cursed images
Half of her faces in Reflections
Her victory pose where she's sitting down with the goggles
severe oxide
Well mercy has the most cursed face in that comic, so at least she's outshined
Mods gimme upload perms so I can post pics of dumb faces straight out my physical copy of the comic
hearty river
valid shell
@hearty river K.
hasty surge
we need a new comic to actually figure the next character
did doomfist have any teaser?
limpid agate
Yes
Orisa
Her entire character
It was so obvious that 25 was Doomfist, that there was no way it could possibly be Doomfist
Turns out, the obvious conclusion is the correct one
Every hero post Ana had teasers that came out along with the previous heroes
cedar galleon
Hammond hero 28 when
valid shell
@cedar galleon Hopefully never.
valid shell
Hopefully never.
limpid agate
Ana was the first hero. There was no previous hero
worthy rose
Widow maker made her have one eye
And she kills that boi cause tracer decided to rewind
hasty surge
The one that made everyone thought ana was a sniper
worthy rose
You guys made me search what does 'cursed image' mean
... you guys, now I won't be able to sleep
hasty surge
What is it???
quasi schooner
Was dva an original character?
quasi schooner
I think I a,ready know, but was she added after the first release or after as a new hero?
valid shell
On release.
valid shell
Post release were Ana, Sombra, Orisa, Doomfist, Moira, Brigitte.
worthy rose
hero 28
cunning ledge
pls
cunning ledge
Latest PTR apparently
limpid agate
Ill check it out
worthy rose
shitposting will result in loss of access
limpid agate
Just the one
worthy rose
the new tracer spray is maybe the same surprise as the ana pillow spray
Eh
it was also a ptr addition if i'm right
valid shell
Neat!
worthy rose
But ingrid is in the family photo
That brig has
Soooo who are the candidates for 28 nnnnow?
cunning ledge
Unfortunately not Hamid
valid shell
@limpid agate https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/overwatch/images/f/f7/BrigitteLindholmsSpray.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180613143225
worthy rose
Hamid?
worthy rose
Man that sounds like an unlikely hero
worthy rose
Light bending architect has a little bit of leeway
valid shell
Fine. Edited.
worthy rose
Lara croft scoff
And yeh it does sound unlikely
I cant imagine an indiana jones type guy as a playable character
valid shell
Why not?
worthy rose
He uses a whip and a pistol
limpid agate
It wouldnt even be the first Blizzard game to do it
valid shell
That's one more weapon than McCree.
limpid agate
Hearthstone had a whole expansion dedicated to it. WoW has entire dungeons and raids with Brann Bronzebeard. Im more surprised he isn't in HotS yet.
worthy rose
good one
worthy rose
Then why would we need another?
limpid agate
Why would we need another Paladin?
valid shell
Because this one could just as easily be a akimbo pistols Lara Croft.
Or a completely unique tombraiding unacharted archaeologist.
Who doesn't rob pop culture.
limpid agate
A literal pistolwhip aint exactly uncharted teritory, but its not specific enough that it overlaps McCree too much
worthy rose
Having played indiana jones and lara croft i dont really see how their style would translate in the game well
worthy rose
Hammond
limpid agate
A monkey
A businessman
An architech
A soldier who is confirmed to not have a backstory
valid shell
Why do we need another funni banana eeting munkee.
worthy rose
I dont think we do, but it's probably whats gonna happen
Unless he is very different from winston
limpid agate
I agree he is the most likely candidate, but your argument for Hammond contradicts the argument for Hamid
You dont think we need Hammond, but you expect it
You dont think we need Hamid
So he has no chance in your eyes?
worthy rose
A character iv just heard of vs a character we have talked about for like a year
Yes
limpid agate
I do agree its too early for Hamid
But you didnt use that argument
If you used that earlier, I would have agreed
worthy rose
I have now i guess
valid shell
Honestly? My hope is that Blizzard had to patch gameplay changes to Horizon Lunar Colony, and took the opportunity to add lore to the map as long as they had it open.
But that's probably optimistic.
reef river
yeah the timing feels very convenient
giving that we can expect a new hero announcement in the next 1-2 months
worthy rose
Although i may sound hypocritical i just want a batch of completely new and interesting characters
limpid agate
Hamid and Emre fill that void
IMO
New characters
Who are they?
We just learned their names recently and nothing more
Hammond is an old name
Sanjay and Max are old faces
But Hamid and Emre?
That's some fresh blood we want to learn more about
valid shell
A Middle Eastern male Archaeologist would be a breath of fresh air from Talon heroes (Sombra/Doomfist/Moira) and clone characters (Orisa/Brigitte).
reef river
could someone refresh my memory on who Hamid is?
limpid agate
@reef river Petra Archeologist
reef river
gotcha, thanks
that's cool. didn't realize there was much lore behind Petra
how do we know about him?
limpid agate
He's an archeologist with ties to Oasis.
worthy rose
Now that you mention it i really wanna see emre
limpid agate
His name is littered around the map on tents, bags, computers, etc
worthy rose
I wanna know whats special about him
valid shell
There's nothing special about Emre.
worthy rose
Theres gotta be
valid shell
He's probably just a rank-and-file blue armored Overwatch goon.
reef river
ahh, thanks @limpid agate that's what iw as curious about
valid shell
Blizzard has explicitly said they had nothing planned when they namedropped him.
worthy rose
He was sent on a mission with the top dogs and got out un injured
valid shell
Probably just padding out the White Dome team so it doesn't seem like Overwatch was just the playable cast and nobody else.
reef river
also gives them room to expand him later on
reef river
that's classic storytelling, to leave yourself gaps to fill in info
reef river
i mean, it's literally what they did with the main setup of the ~30 year gap since Overwatch was disbanded
limpid agate
I meant not literally
worthy rose
I didnt think people still thought about soundquake?
limpid agate
He might also became a name drop that will amount to nothing ever
worthy rose
Isnt he a villain?
valid shell
People still think about Liao.
valid shell
Of course they still think about SQ.
worthy rose
I thought timmy brought up sq as like in a list of villains
With doomfist and fusionator
worthy rose
Oh.
Maybe sq is just someone we know already with like a placeholder name? Like mei and fusionator
If that thing about her was true
valid shell
Things we know about Soundquake:
Overwatch agent.
Chest missiles.
Things we know about Fusionator:
Fusionator.
worthy rose
I was told once that fusionator was just mei
Not lore wise just like, development wise
valid shell
Rather, HAZMAT suit guy from the original lineup turned into Mei-ish.
worthy rose
What alignment do you think emre and hammond will have?
I want atleast one of them to be apart of talon
limpid agate
Emre is an ex Overwatch agent
So
Probably not
He also didn't roll with Reyes
He worked with Torb/Rein/Ana in White Dome
valid shell
We've had three Talon heroes since launch.
And we have Sanjay and Maximilien on deck.
Pls no.
regal coyote
chance he got into an accident where his lower jaw get removed?
worthy rose
Ohhh an "accident"
regal coyote
typo
worthy rose
Bionic pecs?
dire timber
@valid shell why are you so annoyed about the concept of Hammond?
limpid agate
I dont like Hammond but I expect him.
dire timber
but
reef river
I mean, to be fair we already have 20+ humans on the roster and they're pretty diverse 😃
dire timber
why not another monkey?
I don't understand the problem
@reef river and yet not a single black woman on the roster
🤔
limpid agate
2 animals is fine as an absolute maximum.
worthy rose
makes winston less unique
valid shell
Because Winston is unique. An oddity. Another monkey cheapens him.
worthy rose
My argument from a year back
limpid agate
But it does hurt Winston a bit.
limpid agate
Could have just made him a cat 🤷
worthy rose
👀
valid shell
Unfortunately, an ape is the only (organic) animal option to not cause PR backlash.
valid shell
True.
limpid agate
It would just be way too silly
valid shell
Octopi are intelligent but people still eat them frequently.
worthy rose
They freak me out
valid shell
And we've even seen an octopus in lore.
worthy rose
Being able to fit their huge bodies unnaturally
Into small spaces
Ewww
Ya know despite overwatch not including magic, there are alot of magical elements in it
worthy rose
Well acc half the cast are magical
valid shell
Explain pls.
valid shell
And not just 'lol tehy can get shot like a billion times and not die'.
worthy rose
I mean they have magical powers which are just labelled as "science"
limpid agate
Genji, Hanzo, Reaper, Tracer, Zenyatta
valid shell
There's a difference between fantastic science and magic.
worthy rose
And moira and winston
limpid agate
Planet of the Apes is hardly fantasy
valid shell
Sure, they're unrealistic, but their abilities are still vaguely scientific. Magic means, well. Literal magic.
limpid agate
And Moira is the closest we will get to a mage. And she is still heavily rooted in science as her whole poison gas/healing gas kit
valid shell
And while it's impossible in real life, Mei's Endothermic Blaster isn't a wand.
worthy rose
Im not saying that its literal magic. Its hard to describe it
But overwatch characters just basically use magic with a big science sticker on them
iron plume
It’s still defined as scientific in-universe
so does everyone in space operas using FTL
It’s not a magic setting
limpid agate
A flamethrower is just magic with a big science sticker on it
limpid agate
valid shell
Science fiction still isn't magic.
iron plume
Reaper’s regeneration has an explanation in universe
So does whatever’s going on with Tracer
The only thing you can vaguely apply it to is the dragons
worthy rose
A guy turns himself into smoke and make guns and clothes out of himself
valid shell
Nobody's saying it's realistic.
limpid agate
What about a sword made out of fire
worthy rose
What character is that?
limpid agate
Is it magic?
limpid agate
Isn't that what a lightsaber is?
worthy rose
Fire
I wouldnt class that as a fire sword
Also if your using star wars then id say the force is magic
iron plume
That’s not how that works
limpid agate
midichlorians
valid shell
We're getting off track.
worthy rose
What are midichlorians?
iron plume
it’s handwavium, but the distinction between that and magic is purely in the hands of the writer
limpid agate
The science sticker for the force
iron plume
The fact that it can’t be explained with actual science is irrelevant
valid shell
Bottom line, you're using 'magic' to describe something that is unrealistic.
valid shell
Which is incorrect.
iron plume
it has a scientific basis in-universe
it’s a universe that works by different rules than ours
but in that, the story of the game, all their abilities work with them
dire timber
@limpid agate the Force actually is mystical in nature
midichlorians only allow living beings to tap into it
valid shell
Nooo I tried so hard to get us off the topic of Star Wars.
limpid agate
Yeah I dont know Star Wars lore. There's just way too much
Ill stick to video games rather than mass multimedia franchises that existed since long before I was born, thank you.
worthy rose
Back onto hammond
Any guesses on his species? Like...little gorilla? Monkey? Baboon? Chimp?
regal coyote
i would say it is not gorilla and msot likely smaller than chimp
Chimpis more noticable and would not be thought of as a bad idea or bad choice for an experiment like this
frosty star
would be a pretty small character model tho lol
ember karma
My dream is that they add enough ape characters for OW to feel like Team Fortress 2 meets Donkey Kong
delicate pumice
Flamethrower Chimp would be awesome. Be like playing Timesplitters 2 again
peak escarp
So far the species we've seen represented among the specimens are gorilla, chimp and orangutan
I wouldn't call an orangutan a "smaller specimen", so a chimp is more likely
dire timber
if Hammond isn't a thief/burglar type of character, I'll be sorely disappointed
valid shell
You mean like that fanart piece.
Where he's literally got the Doomfist.
Because THAT would go over well.
solar inlet
The dragons could be like a odd hard light projection but like old so it’s considered magic
valid shell
There is no magic in Overwatch.
dire timber
@valid shell nope, not really
I just picture him as this sneaky chimp guy
perhaps Talon could be hiring him for some break-in jobs, though he wouldn't have much love for the organization itself - just doing whatever pays well
cinder pulsar
to pay his ... taxes
prisma wren
.......................
valid shell
@prisma wren What else is he going to do?
If he's been genetically modified to have human levels of intelligence, do you think he's just going to live in the jungle?
prisma wren
i meant that the only thing hammond would have use for money is buying carrots or something
valid shell
Would you be happy living on the street with just carrots?
Hammond's not an animal. He's not as smart as Winston, but he's capable of writing and planning and engineering.
peak escarp
no
valid shell
@wanton nacelle No shipping.
wanton nacelle
really ? XD
valid shell
Really.
peak escarp
let me know if I got everything
- 9 years ago: Ecopoint Antarctica is hit by a polar storm; the scientists run low on rations and decide to wait out the storm in cryosleep. Moira O'Deorain is recruited into Blackwatch by Reyes.
- 8 years ago: Retribution; several attacks on Overwatch facilities (including several attempts on Gerard Lacroix's life) prompt Blackwatch to strike back against Talon, the plan goes awry and the public learns about Blackwatch. Public opinion of Overwatch turns sour, and a formal investigation into Overwatch's activities is launched. Slipstream pilot Lena "Tracer" Oxton is lost in time and subsequently rescued by Overwatch scientist Winston.
- 7 years ago: Null Sector uprising in King's Row; Morrison disobeys orders from the British PM and Director Petras, sending in a strike team. The strike team succeeds in rescuing the hostages and stopping the uprising. Talon finally succeeds in killing Gerard Lacroix by using his wife as a sleeper agent.
- 6 years ago: While on an Overwatch mission to rescue captured scientists, Amari is engaged by a new Talon sniper and assumed to be KIA. McCree leaves Overwatch due to rising tensions and him not wanting to take a side. Morrison and Reyes come to blows (cause unknown; popular theory is that it was jealousy), but their fight is interrupted by the bombing of the Swiss headquarters. Both men are thought dead but no bodies are recovered.
- 5 years ago: Winston, Tracer and Genji fight Doomfist and capture him. Genji leaves Overwatch and wanders the world, seeking inner peace. The UN inquiry into Overwatch's activities concludes and the Petras Act is passed, outlawing Overwatch activities. Overwatch is officially disbanded.
hasty surge
Hmm I always thought overwatch disband was right after the HQ attack
Within 2 years reyes changed?
indigo gust
Is Reaper basically a ghost? I've always felt like he is. Like a dead spectre that can take on a physical form
peak escarp
he's still alive, if that's what you mean
spring pumice
Reaper is alive, but the process used to keep him alive means that his cells are always decaying and regenerating rapidly.
worthy rose
I think that the shimada weaponry using some sort of projected energy field in case of hanzo's bow
and the arrow shot during the ultimate launch is the transponder
and it can project the energy field through walls
Genji's blade is just charged up with the energy and it works like a hot energy blade
cunning ledge
The arrow Hanzo uses for Dragonstrike is just a regular arrow that he fired earlier and picked off the ground
worthy rose
well it also can be the bow as the transponder I assume
lean haven
damn this some science shit
regal coyote
Arrow is not magical for Hanzo, his ability does not relate to the arrow, arrow act as a pointer or soemthing. So technically he may even be able to use the dragon in other forms.
As for Reaper... not sure if alive is a right term. I would say this, he is not a ghost or spirit, he has a physical body or sorts, granted it is filled with nanobiotic stuff and what not and is a bit unstable. He is able to think on his own, so his mind is at least soemwhat intact, he has memories.
worthy rose
Reaper has non-corporeal form
cunning ledge
only when he wants to have a non-corporeal form though
worthy rose
and I think moira's purple juice is some sort of "corrupted nanobiotic fluid"
worthy rose
that has the opposite effect of the fluid
wanton nacelle
hmm like anas rifle?
regal coyote
some ammo of ana's rifle
And i think ana's rifle might be partly co-designed by moira even
Torby doing the mechanical part, but the weaponized nanobiotic design is msot likely moira (and obviously mercy fucking bitches, being an annoying pacifist)
Granted, this would mean Mercy is still the leading specialist in terms of the healing properties of the sticky liquid we had been seeing
if their outfit were to be taken literally then mercy has way more control than moira with the thingy, she barely needs a smallish device to deal with all her needs, moira needs a giant tank. Granted she does also use it for offensive purpose, she does require much more liquid
wanton nacelle
yea
regal coyote
wait when did ana start using THE rifle as a weaon?
we know mercy's nano heal is at least functtinal during uprising since she is deployed
and for sure she is depoyed as a field medic, cause we know she would not fire her pistol in lore even if her life depend on it in all likelyness
pseudo coral
Ana sniper is based on mercy technology
dire timber
@regal coyote Ana only started using the biotic rifle after her "death"
she used a normal sniper rifle before that
regal coyote
so no one was using the refle then?
wanton nacelle
oof they added a emily spray to tracer in the ptr. hero 28 confirmed?
severe oxide
link
crude raft
Ikr
severe oxide
poor emily gonna be forever associated with that ugly green scarf though
but hey, at least we have the first canon good drawing of her
crude raft
Canon?
severe oxide
yeah, from a canonical source
not fan made
so far we only have the Reflections comic and that spray
and the Reflections comic is questionably drawn
severe oxide
Russian players will see this new spray appear and think "huh? Who's this chick"
because obviously great mother russia has kept them sheltered from depravity
so they will have no way to know
iron plume
you know the comic is readable in russia right
it just doesn't have a translation
and also everyone who remotely gives a shit knows at this point
iron plume
like it's an open secret at most
and not even that really
and idk binge it just kinda happens when I hit the quad
cunning ledge
lmao guys what if this girl in tracer's spray is her girlfriend
-some guy on a russian forum, probably
quick shale
whos baugetts mother?
valid shell
@quick shale Ingrid Lindholm.
cunning ledge
Ingrid Lindholm, assuming you mean Brigitte
If you mean Widowmaker then we don't know
regal coyote
^
wanton nacelle
whats wrong with the scarf lmao
for all things to complain about: the season 10 (stun) meta, hanzo, brigitte. nah the scarf XD
iron plume
none of those things you listed are relevant to this channel
severe oxide
the scarf is, and it's an ugly scarf
doesn't go well with her hair at all
she probably just wears it because she finds Tracer's tackiness charming
"oi luv"
swoons
iron plume
i actually don't mind the scarf
but
everyone glazes over emily just assuming it's for her
severe oxide
her girlfriend brought a wrapped gift to her apartment on christmas
who would it be for
iron plume
wait, wasn't it a thing that it's for winston
severe oxide
no, that was just what everyone is lead to assume at the beginning of the comic
it's a bait and switch
the comic bamboozles you
also she won a kiss with that gift so Winston being a good wingman would understand
iron plume
the benefit of being in an actual relationship is that you don't have to "win" kisses with gifts
but okay
I mean that'd explain why it looks so shit
severe oxide
yeah but you gotta keep your partner happy
don't take their love for granted
show you care
my theory still is that it's an ugly scarf because Tracer has (demonstrably) bad taste aesthetics wise
iron plume
eeehh
she has an unusual style but she pulls it off
plus it's a function over form kind of deal
severe oxide
then again, Emily wears this to a Christmas dinner, so maybe they're fit for each other https://puu.sh/AGsW1/f7c566aa22.jpg
@iron plume she wears crocs
severe oxide
@crude raft it was the scarf she had been trying to buy as a gift
worthy rose
tracer has an orange t-shirt under her jacket
crude raft
Yes, but didn’t the family she saved give it to her because she saved em
severe oxide
yes, but coincidentally it was the same scarf she had been trying to buy for a gift
so it all works out
crude raft
Yep
Why didn’t Winston electrocute doomfist
I’m gonna read reflections for a sex to check something
Sec**
severe oxide
I have spent way too much time on that comic
I'm fascinated by it
it's like super good and super bad at the same time, in so many different ways
crude raft
Nvm I was wrong
I thought maybe the guy she gave the scarf too was the person with the thief
worthy rose
I made a color gradient based on the lavender grey and pink flare color (widow skin colors) but I don't know where to put it
severe oxide
#overwatch maybe
try #fanart and see if the mods let you
fanart mods are pals of mine, tell them I sent you
is it me or are these notches... not that many https://puu.sh/AGt9R/004dc69a7b.jpg
peak escarp
that's probably for just that mission
severe oxide
I wonder if this is her eye or the scope https://puu.sh/AGtd4/43c4db6054.jpg
I'm suprised Ana and most of all Jack still went on missions at that time
Like, Jack was the director. What was he doing down in the middle east getting shot at
Ana gets as pissed as I do about weird ass sound effect choices https://puu.sh/AGtlH/7a95af0bf2.jpg
oh god they keep using SPAK throughout the comic
where is the outcry for not having given us this skin yet? https://puu.sh/AGtsY/23ddc3be72.jpg
it still has the tactical cleavage so it's marketable https://puu.sh/AGtuz/ace0d67ce6.jpg
this comic would have been pretty bloody had they not decided to go PG
people get shot left and right
ana would be laying her head in a pool of blood
instead it's like some sand got in her eye or something
iron plume
"this comic would've been bloody if they didn't make it not bloody"
severe oxide
had it been "realistic"
this is not what an headshot looks like irl https://puu.sh/AGtDD/3c1f4059d3.jpg
valid shell
Unless the bullet couldn't penetrate the back of the helmet.
Entry wounds usually don't bleed much.
severe oxide
my point on Ana's wound still stands
valid shell
Ana didn't get shot in the eye, though.
severe oxide
she got shards all over and around it
big ass metal shards
big enough to damage it
worthy rose
yeah, shards / shrapnels can do lotta damage to the eyes
valid shell
OF course.
But not cause a 'pool of blood' instantly.
Especially when Ana was covering her eye in both hands.
worthy rose
maybe one cut an artery
worthy rose
Thats just the T rating
flat burrow
Sombras real name is Olivia Colomar
peak escarp
Yes it is
pure kernel
Is it tho?
iron plume
pls
pure kernel
Wut
iron plume
I get the "sombra outsmarting everyone again" theories
but until we're told otherwise, that is her name
iron plume
inb4 she's a good actress
pure kernel
Ok then
limpid agate
@pure kernel @iron plume Yes, her name is Olivia Colomar.
Until given legitimate reason to suspect otherwise, please leave the tinfoil outside.
iron plume
it's not like I've said the exact same thing?
limpid agate
Ladies and gentlemen: an unclear stance
but until we're told otherwise, that is her name
frosty shell
The reason why Widow's outfit from Legacy wasn't used is it was thought to not be different enough from Classic Widow
So the Talon Widow skin was created
red lichen
I've got a question, I kinda want to know more about the general backstory and lore to Overwatch other than they disbanded or somethin
is there anywhere where that it's all summarised properly on the internet? :o
or where to start on looking into lore
worthy rose
Youtube has tons of videos/channels covering overwatch lore
Complete History & Lore | Overwatch: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFUYS34JMyw8ly9VlWT1SeCjiBj4FeHQH
@red lichen
red lichen
Ah, ty
worthy rose
Glad i could help 
limpid agate
@red lichen That video is mostly accurate. The two things that arent quite right are small details, nothing too important. McCree was not the leader of his gang, and Hammond didn't lead the Horizon revolt. But other than that, its a good summary
If you have any questions, feel free to ask
I didnt watch the character summaries yet.
It also only goes up to Doomfist's release. So all the lore we got in the past year is excluded
red lichen
Ooh ok, thanks for the heads up
worthy rose
roadhog is an human, a pig, what?
what happend to him? sorry i'm new on the overwatch lore
limpid agate
Roadhog is human
He was part of a group of terrorists that wanted to blow up Australia's omnium a long time ago. This turned Australia into Mad Max apocalypse land, and made it hard for Roadhog to breathe. He wears a max and inhales a chemical that counteracts the effects of oxygen now.
If you wanna know why he is fat, its because he's fat.
But that's why he wears the mask
peak escarp
Why do so many people assume McCree was the leader of the Deadlock gang?
He would have been a teenager when they got busted
worthy rose
Makes him sound cooler
peak escarp
I want to know how a teenager gets involved with a notorious criminal gang
where are his parents?
regal coyote
"He wears a max and inhales a chemical that counteracts the effects of oxygen now." where did you get this?
But yeah the mask helps him to breathe somehow, also he sniff that hogtrogen thing that he gets from that guy in junkertown, and he also have a device home to fill those up.
peak escarp
iirc, the hogdrogen is supposed to counteract the radiation poisoning
short scaffold
@full tusk not appropriate for this channel
Please keep that type of video to #general-discussion only
worthy rose
Mccrees parents are probably ded
severe oxide
And a small one
crude raft
I want more DVA, LUCIO, Zen and (Sombra becuz I want it to continue)
Probs a Himp
Pimp Chimp
regal coyote
too smll to be a chimp
som soemthing smaller
smaller monkey
or even non monkey but similar thign
can be an aye - aye or lemur or even space rabbit
I mean it is a small herbivore/omnivore creature that has use of hands, and like carrots and bananas.
bananas being a stable soure of protien that is common in this place due to gorillas.
regal coyote
makes more sense really
dire timber
@limpid agate what's that first one?
turbid garnet
I think Winston is the main bad guy of the game
Just putting my thoughts out there
I kinda have some proof sort of
scenic vale
What’s the proof lol
cunning ledge
Winston is currently one of the primary protagonists
severe oxide
he's arguably the most important character to the story of Overwatch right now
No Michael, I'm not talking about Genji
inb4 Michael now makes Genji the leader of new OW
turbid garnet
In a voice line between doomfist and sombra there is something very interesting that doomfist says
What basically happens is that sombra teases doomfist for getting his ass kicked by winston
That whole numbani incident
peak escarp
Sombra: Isn't it a little embarassing to get beaten up by a monkey?
Doomfist: Have you ever been hit by a giant, genetically engineered gorilla? I could arrange it for you...
severe oxide
so Doomfist is working with the other gorillas you're saying
turbid garnet
That part
severe oxide
or maybe he's just super rich and powerful and could arrange anything
turbid garnet
No I am saying Winston is doomfists superior
peak escarp
"arrange it for you" is his way of saying he could send Sombra to fight Winston
severe oxide
you went full galaxy brain there
severe oxide
there were thousand of possible overthought explanations for that throaway voice line that likely means nothing, and you went balls to the wall
respect
turbid garnet
Thx mate
The fun in speculation
And we don't actually noh the whole horrizon lunar incident
severe oxide
what if Winston is actually literally Harold Winston turned ape
turbid garnet
Wht if Winston was the one that started the whole rebel against the human thing
And he pretends he escaped the lunar base
pure kernel
Makes sense
turbid garnet
Yeah I don't trust that gaint monkey
It could be some planet of the apes kind of shit
And Winston also has his Tesla gun in his subject 28 skin
Maybe he built it to rebel against the humans
vague girder
i think that^
turbid garnet
And due to experiments being conducted on him he grew a hatred to humans
vague girder
bc what would he have for his primary weapon for that skin
turbid garnet
Yeah it could be I mean u have to have the gunfor any skin
vague girder
yeah
turbid garnet
But who nohs
cunning ledge
But she does in the skin obviously
vague girder
yeah
cunning ledge
"nohs"
vague girder
wait so when did Ana steal mercy’s healing technology?
turbid garnet
I know this is some strange shit but I am telling u guys that monkey maybe the true villan I mean he is a super genius after all
vague girder
yeah but wasn’t Hammond also a super genius
severe oxide
we don't know
Winston was said to be the one who responded the best to the genetic therapy
turbid garnet
Yeah Winston was the one with rapid brain development
dire timber
@turbid garnet this isn't the place for baseless "so randum" theories
"but what if X was actually a bad guy!?!" is such a dumb, tired subject
regal coyote
next up would bw "what if humans are actually the bad guys"
severe oxide
"You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!"
pure kernel
:v
dire timber
I hate when people just trying to dear down existing characters by making them into some boring villain that they simply aren't
makes my blood boil
pure kernel
Yes
turbid garnet
Come on bro just some fun theories
pure kernel
Arg!
dire timber
it happened with Mercy, now I had to see this bullshit about Winston
turbid garnet
Chill out broo
dire timber
"chill out broo, just a brank brooo xd"
turbid garnet
Ohh my bad tell me what r these serious discussions of yours
dire timber
if you want to theorize, have some basic understanding and respect for the subject that you're theorizing on
instead of just idiotic "lul plot twist!!"
anyhow
turbid garnet
After all it's serious stuff when u r talking about a game set in the future with fictional character s
dire timber
if you want to check up on the lore, you could start with animated shorts, comics, and the like
dire timber
I pretty much stopped
turbid garnet
Yeah I could understand
dire timber
if you're not interested, and you're only here for dank memes or unnecessary snark, there's no need for me to bother
turbid garnet
I mean a guy comes out of nowhere and talks this crazy theory abt Winston tht out of nowhere I'd be surprised
Ok then by all means please tell me wht do u talk abt
valid shell
What's abt?
cobalt ledge
about, is what he meant
strange mango
So how did StreetPig get so thicc
worthy rose
he's just fat
scenic vale
Do you guys ever think any talon members could change there ways and become good? I feel like it could happen later on down the line
valid shell
@scenic vale Widowmaker and Sombra are possible, but it's less likely for the council.
scenic vale
Yes I agree with you on that although I really wish reaper gets some sort of redemption
limpid agate
@scenic vale I think not for any of them
Of them, Widow is the most likely because brainwashing and all
But it looks more like she embraced who she is
And is content with being a killing tool.
scenic vale
Yeah widow is most viable
limpid agate
Not sure how much of it is Talon and how much of it is Amelie anymore
pliant merlin
I feel like sombra is most likely since she doesn't particularly even work for anyone, she's doing everything for self gain, so if there was something for her on the opposing side, she might go for it
limpid agate
Sombra would work for the side that benefits her most
She wouldn't "turn good"
If anything, she would work with the good guys for a common goal
Then go back to doing her own thing
And that go back doesnt mean when she's done, either
Sombra does what she wants.
regal coyote
Sombra sides with Sombra. period.
valid shell
Sombra has still canonically murdered paycheque guards.
regal coyote
so?
regal coyote
we can say winston's power punch did the same to talon grunts, maybe
valid shell
Nope.
valid shell
Winston hasn't killed anyone.
regal coyote
and we KNOW MCCree did it on talon mooks
limpid agate
Doomfist, Genji, McCree, Reaper, Soldier, Sombra, Junkrat, Widowmaker, Roadhog, Ana, Moira
Off Screen but said to have killed:
Pharah, Hanzo, Symmetra
Of these
Genji, McCree, Soldier, and Ana exclusively killed Talon agents
The rest are villains.
Either Talon or international terrorists
Well, for the on screen
severe oxide
I'll be surprised if Torb and Rein haven't killed
since the other OW originals have
limpid agate
Pharah is part of the "Kill everything" sqaud
Hanzo was an assassin that almost killed Genji
Symmetra said she kills when she needs to, but was shown sparing paycheque guards
valid shell
"Hanzo was an assassin that almost killed Genji"
limpid agate
@severe oxide If you want my full list
On Screen Killers:
Doomfist, Genji, McCree, Reaper, Soldier, Sombra, Junkrat, Widowmaker, Roadhog, Ana, Moira
Off Screen but said to have killed:
Pharah, Hanzo, Symmetra
Overwatch Agents - May have killed on missions, liklihood varies:
Tracer, Torbjorn, Reinhardt, Winston, Mercy
Heroes at war with Omnics, not humans:
D.Va, Zarya
Heroes not listed yet that have very little chance to be killers:
Bastion, Mei, Orisa, Brigitte, Lucio, Zenyatta
valid shell
Wuh.
regal coyote
depending on what you define ad killing, the origingal squad for sure have killed
limpid agate
@valid shell He almost killed Genji. His occupation is assassin
severe oxide
Bastion I assume you mean after the awakening
regal coyote
say, in the universe view Rein is a warrior and killer
limpid agate
@severe oxide Even before, he didnt seem to be active before combat
Its implied he never made it into combat
severe oxide
is it?
cunning ledge
his pod landed in the forest
and he was in/around it when he woke up
so he never actually did any fighting
regal coyote
and on screen he killed, if you think of overwatch standard. but since for us killing mean irl type of killing and omnics have no fucking rights so we dont count rein as killer
regal coyote
ok then that makes sense
limpid agate
Null Sector, omnic crisis, etc
Its why I seperated DVa/Zarya as well
The ones in the bottom row killed no one of either kind
regal coyote
we go on human supremist route and ecclude the rights of omnic i agree
limpid agate
If you include Omnics, the Uprising crew and maybe Hanzo get added.
Also DVa/Zarya are at war. They are omnic killers.
Even if DVa is fighting just 1 kaiju
severe oxide
Rein and Brigitte might have ended up killing people on their peacekeeping missions, but I guess Brigitte wasn't an active fighter
limpid agate
The Titan in Destroyer still had drones within it
regal coyote
to be fair having killed or not does not make them villian, they are in a war ffs for many of the major character, most of them
also some people are in paramilitary or police type of work, where death happens
also the probelm with the in-universe said-to-have-killed is that it might have included only omnics, which i dont consider a killing at all
valid shell
Nobody is saying that Soldier/Ana/Pharah/etc. are villains because they killed.
It's the context that matters.
regal coyote
like even for junkrat/roadhog, we have only seen one single kill.
the rest is against robots/drones
in fact we have been treated to roadhog being somewhat mercyful not killing the scums trying to rob him
severe oxide
Roadhog loves violence and destruction, and is a grunt for hire
I assume he's killed his share of fools
valid shell
I'm hoping that Roadhog loved* violence and destruction.
And now he's just busted up and tired.
regal coyote
^
valid shell
Because his comic appearances seemed to have been giving that impression.
He's only canonically killed Hyde, and that's because he betrayed him and Junkrat and left them to die.
Which are pretty good reasons.
dire timber
he still seems to holds a grudge against the world
but he's also comfortable with mostly letting Junkrat do the honors
limpid agate
The grudge is more, lets make the world know we are here.
Lets make the world suffer by letting them know we exist.
And they do that by making lots of noise
But yeah, their only kill on screen is the head of Hyde
For the Talon crew
Doomfist killed Vialli, and the Scourge (off screen), and tried to kill Tracer.
Reaper killed lots of guards on screen, and Overwatch agents off screen
Sombra killed guards on screen
Widow killed guards on screen, and Mondatta
Moira killed Talon grunts only on screen, forgot her in that list.
In fact, all of them have killed Talon grunts
Either in Retribution or Masquerade
Or both in Reaper's case
Max is the only member of Talon with no kills to his name (that we know of)
valid shell
Yeah, Sanjay killed those unconscious guards by proxy.
worthy rose
Has vialli killed anyone?
peak escarp
we don't know much about Vialli, but it's very likely that he has killed, either directly or indirectly
valid shell
He sent goons to murder (or at least detain) Doomfist and Widowmaker, so the intent is there.
worthy rose
vialli wanted to make talon a legit company imo but df didn't agreed with the idea
valid shell
I wouldn't say legit. He just wanted to use it to make shekels.
worthy rose
and vialli wanted to get rid of df and his precious weaponized girlie
scenic vale
On a different topic do you think they will ever add Liao into the roster as a hero?
There is little to no info on them at all
valid shell
There's nothing to suggest that they ever will.
That's like asking if they're going to add the fat Pixar security guard at the museum from the Cinematic Trailer.
limpid agate
Eh
Its more like
Asking if they will ever add Sven
A named character that at one point was important
But its been so long now, they're probably never gonna be seen again
valid shell
Sven's also a poor comparison because we've seen Sven's face, outfit, weaponry, his morals, his connections.
limpid agate
Pixar Security guard is just a security guard. Liao was, at one point, an important person
But all the other "names" we've had so far have amounted to something, or are still relatively new
The closest to Liao is probably Emre
iron plume
Was liao namedropped in actually released lore?
iron plume
Yeah that sounds pretty close to Emre then
limpid agate
Yeah, but every other name
Has either shown up
Is too new
Or has had more name drops
Hammond
Hamid
Queen
Sombra
Doomfist
The other names are just throwaway names that Chu made up
Fio
Sam
Ray
valid shell
A master wordsmith, truly.
limpid agate
Liao is like Fusionator or Soundquake
But more important
But still very unimportant and may as well never exist
peak escarp
I think Liao and what happened to them is a big plot point that Blizzard is holding onto
They might use it, they might not
valid shell
If they're not going to use it, then it's not a big plot point.
peak escarp
Why not?
valid shell
Liao was likely tied into First Strike and was retconned along with it.
They were mentioned in that blog pre-First Strike.
peak escarp
Why would that prevent them from using Liao?
limpid agate
Its a specific, contained story
dire timber
if they plan to scrap the character, I really wish they'd just edit the blog post
so that we can wrap this up
peak escarp
I think they could still use Liao
Will they? I don't know.
But the possibility is still there
Personally I hope they do because it would mean learning more about the early days of Overwatch
valid shell
There's the possibility of them doing anything.
All kinds of poor decisions.
I don't think Liao would in any way add anything to the 'early days of Overwatch'.
The five we have right now would serve fine.
worthy rose
Nah, I think a new founding member would do a lot for the game, story wise and gameplay wise
valid shell
Why, when we know so little about the current ones?
"I think a new MEKA member would do a lot for the game, story wise and gameplay wise."
limpid agate
That was a pretty shit comparison
We know plenty of the 5 founders
Jack/Ana/Reyes get lots of screentime
Torb has had 2 comics and a daughter
Rein has had a comic, a short, and a squire
We dont know shit about Mercy, Zen, Lucio, DVa, Orisa, etc
But the founders have plenty of story already
gaunt ledge
The only thing that I know about Dva, not sure if there is more, but the only things I know is where she came from what she did and why she joined overwatch, but other than that idk much, same with Lucio. But with Orisa we know she was built from a or15 or something like that, who she was built by and why she is in overwatch. It would be cool to know more about Mercy,Zen and Lucio.
Not only that but most of the hero's such as brigitte we know she is torb's daughter and she repairs reins armor and stuff like that be we don't know much background wise about her, at least I don't. Also I'd like to know what the hero limit is for Blizzard or if they are just going to add hero's as the lore grows, I'd also like to know what they plan to do if the lore ends, like in a video that was created about symmetras teleporter where she went to different dimensions and overwatch defeated talon. (If i'm missing anything tell me what and what you think 😃 )
valid shell
@gaunt ledge D.Va never joined Overwatch.
Orisa was never in Overwatch.
Neither was Lucio.
And there's no hero named Bridgett.
gaunt ledge
i mean brigitte
I swear D. Va was invited to join overwatch, haven't read much lore lately might have to reread/rewatch some of the lore
limpid agate
No
You probably read fanart
And got confused
All the lore is pinned
As for your "hero limit" question
They add 3 a year
So it would go to 30 by the third anniversary
gaunt ledge
I mean when will they stop
limpid agate
How long do you expect the game to live?
Lets say it lasts for 5 more years.
That's 15 more characters over 5 years
Tops
gaunt ledge
But it would most likely regrow because of the new heros, but most people that I know stay for the game but I play for both lore and gameplay, but I think even some sort of a storyline ingame for people to watch or read might keep people interested because not everyone knows where to read lore.
Also even if the game lives for 5+ more years eventually there will be so many hero's it might be confusing for people.
About the d. Va thing wasn't she hired by her government to fight during the uprising, that made me think she was apart of overwatch?
limpid agate
Overwatch shut down 6 years ago
gaunt ledge
From what time?
gaunt ledge
Does it progress with irl time?
limpid agate
The only things that are more recent than the museum heist are Doomfist and Orisa's arcs, and Searching.
No
gaunt ledge
some one said this on the battle.net forums is this true?
"They mentioned at Blizzcon that the Omnic Crisis happened "About 30 years from now"
So, with events we know the timing of based on the Omnic Crisis, the game is set somewhere around 2076-2081"
valid shell
Roughly.
gaunt ledge
also someone else said this about d.va.
"she and other gamers were recruited by the Korean government's Mobile Exo-Force of the Korean Army (MEKA) to help quell the robotic Omnic uprising"
valid shell
Yup. That's true.
valid shell
I recommend you don't get your information from the battlenet forums.
limpid agate
But Uprising is specifically, the King's Row incident with Tracer/Rein/Torb/Mercy vs Null Sector.
Comic: Uprising: http://bit.ly/2nYqunn
Short: King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
gaunt ledge
@valid shell can you give me a reliable source that you use/would use?
limpid agate
Pins
valid shell
Check the pins.
gaunt ledge
I dont see anything about certain hero's/characters
valid shell
@gaunt ledge https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/
Click a hero, and click 'Story'.
gaunt ledge
thanks
peak escarp
The "omnic uprising" DVa was recruited for was a specific, giant omnic that appears every few years to attack Korea
valid shell
The colloquialism we've fallen into is 'Omnic Kaiju'.
peak escarp
"Famous for her elite skills, D.Va was a fierce competitor who played to win at all costs, and she had a well-earned reputation for showing no mercy to her opponents."
I feel like this side of her personality doesn't get shown very often
gaunt ledge
Yea, the voice lines are more like gaming things which makes sense but I would like to see something that shows she is ruthless
void pecan
^
peak escarp
Despite the "GG" voice line, that description makes me think she wouldn't be the type to say GG
Ruthless and good sportsmanship rarely go together
gaunt ledge
exactly
peak escarp
Tbh she does sound kinda sarcastic when she says it, so maybe it's intended as sarcasm
peak escarp
(Imagine if we finally got DVa lore and it turns out she's as bad as xQc)
gaunt ledge
Does anyone think that any of the overwatch hero's might know eachother that were never apart of overwatch except lucio?
void pecan
Dang man
gaunt ledge
because he is famous.
limpid agate
What
Lucio has never met a single hero in the cast, as far as we know
He also has 0 canonical lore appearances
gaunt ledge
I mean people know him
limpid agate
People also know Hatsune Miku
gaunt ledge
just asking if they know each other lore wise
limpid agate
No one knows Lucio
They may know of him
But no one has met him
Lots of people are famous or on TV
Lucio has never met the Junkers, but he has probably heard of their international crime spree
gaunt ledge
what is mei famous for
limpid agate
Being frozen for 9 years and coming back
Also being a good climatologist.
That invented a freezing gun, then made a blog
gaunt ledge
Wait she shared inventing her gun?
limpid agate
Read the lore in the pins
Most of your questions get answerd in the comics, shorts, and blog posts
gaunt ledge
but how am I supposed to know what to look at
limpid agate
Have you watched the shorts?
gaunt ledge
most
limpid agate
Start there
gaunt ledge
What about junkrats treasure has that been shared yet?
I know it's not his which means he stole it or heard something he wasn't supposed to.
limpid agate
No
gaunt ledge
Will we ever know?
limpid agate
Junkrat's treasure was something he found in the ruins of the omnium
gaunt ledge
but we don't know what?
limpid agate
Nope
compact wasp
