cunning ledge
"I just like my idea more because 1. He can make his unstable matter smoke particles into anything and he only uses it for guns, 2. Whenever he leaves his guns behind somewhere (Like in Infiltration) he's literally being wasteful and leaving parts of himself behind, and 3. He needs to kill people to scavenge "life force"/genetic material/whatever to fuel not only his powers but his very existance
wow that was a paragraph"
worthy rose
So what is life force,
Iv never actually been able to understand what life force exactly is
cunning ledge
that's because they've never explained it and probably never will
the canon info is that his victims suffer "cellular degredation"
worthy rose
literally sucks out the life out of living things
Id just think that moira and reyes take all the nutrients and stuff from people
Until they become husks
It certainly perks them up doing it
cunning ledge
well like
technically if you killed enough people you could gather enough iron to make a gun out of it
is that what you're saying
he uses the exact elements found in bodies
worthy rose
Basicially
cunning ledge
that almost seems too scientific
worthy rose
My other explaination is "just cause, ya know?"
cunning ledge
that's more like it
worthy rose
Moira apparently uses the resources to refill the heal juice
cunning ledge
that's just gameplay
but it makes sense so it's quite likely it's supposed to work like that
frosty shell
So does that mean that Reaper can eat food by disintegrating it?
I assume that the old mechanic where Reaper picked up "souls" is closer to what happens in the lore
frosty shell
If he can suck the energy out of bodies he can do it to food too
frosty shell
But food is already dead so couldn't he do that
cunning ledge
what even are you trying to say
do you seriously think it's more interesting that reaper can just eat food to restore himself rather than having to kill people and gain their life force
frosty shell
Life force just means calories
cunning ledge
i don't think life force is even stated in canon
frosty shell
But energy is
cunning ledge
so i don't know how you're making this connection
we're talking about a fucking shadow ghost abomination and you think that he must be able to eat because it's scientifically correct
frosty shell
I mean, how else does he survive? I don't think Reaper kills on a day-to-day basis
cunning ledge
I never said he did
frosty shell
He only does it when he has to
I assume that his "smoke" form consists of individual cells held aloft by nanobots
frosty shell
source?
cunning ledge
his smoke is literally his unstable particules comprising him
that can just fly and form into a human form somehow
frosty shell
I'm pretty sure Mercy's healing beam is stated to be made of nano-particles
frosty shell
Well that means it is nano-something
cunning ledge
nanobiotics isn't nanobots
frosty shell
It might not be nano-bots, but it is nano-particles
cunning ledge
it's just some generic miracle medical technology
frosty shell
Which could have a similar effect
cunning ledge
?????????
frosty shell
And the reason for Reaper's condition is that his cells constantly die and regenerate
cunning ledge
that is implied to be true, yes
frosty shell
Which requires some sort of nano-healing
Although it also describes it as "genetic alteration"
So maybe nano-proteins
cunning ledge
nanobiotics isn't a real thing
frosty shell
but they could be
cunning ledge
that's not.. what?
frosty shell
compared to hard light and the dragons nano-bots are somewhat realistic
*nanobiotics
cunning ledge
nanobots are a massive cliche as an excuse to have what is basically magic in sci-fi
at least they came up with something else for all the healing
nanobots aren't and won't be a thing in overwatch
frosty shell
my handwave for why certain technologies don't seem to exist in Overwatch is "they would be too easy to hack"
round hatch
there are probably more hackers we dont know about
i mean, only 2 hackers in the world? no.
cunning ledge
lynx was said to be one of the best hackers
round hatch
there are most likely more
cunning ledge
and he's useless
so i don't see any evidence there are others better than lynx
assumptions generally require evidence
round hatch
sombra can disguise herself, why not others?
cunning ledge
because she's the best by far?
frosty shell
lynx probably is OK at hacking, it's just that Sombra is far better
cunning ledge
lynx is displayed as basically useless for a reason
round hatch
what if there is one that is so good that they cannot be tracked at all?
cunning ledge
that's just wild speculation then
round hatch
what if thats the eye?
frosty shell
The tech that I thought would exist in Overwatch that doesn't is autonomous vehichles
Why are their still pilots for the drop-ships?
cunning ledge
certain things like that often need a human element
often in sci-fi it's said that robots can't improvise
frosty shell
And drop-ships are pretty big
cunning ledge
which is why people are still relevant
frosty shell
The bigger point I was trying to make is that post-Crisis many people don't trust autonomous war machines
even if they're supposedly in good hands
in my headcanon, at least
whole terrace
Well they probably have auto pilot like we do now in like airplanes
But as you said, they don't trust computers
Or maybe their afraid the omnics might hack into it, and therefore want everything done manually
cunning ledge
since when do omnics hack anything?
it's just lynx
and lynx is pretty malevolent
frosty shell
The omniums can/ could
and Anubis can
and it's likely the Korean mega-omnic can
Technically it can just "disrupt MEKA's drone-control networks"
cunning ledge
source on omniums hacking things?
frosty shell
OK, maybe not
cunning ledge
source on kaiju omnic hacking things?
i was under the impression it literally just destroyed the buildings
frosty shell
As I said, it technically was never said that that was the case
But it did disrupt the unmanned MEKAs, forcing them to use human pilots
cunning ledge
anubis can't hack anything
frosty shell
Didn't it hack Okoro?
cunning ledge
it just takes over the omnics, probably using some omnica failsafe
frosty shell
my theory as to what Junkrat's treasure is is that it's something that can turn off all omnics
cunning ledge
as if it was designed to
limpid agate
Anubis hacks omnics
The Kaiju and Omniums have no known hacking feats
But that is quite literally the entire reason why Anubis is a threat
It hacks
frosty shell
In the comic- it says "other operating systems-other omnics"
So it can probably hack non-Omnic OS
limpid agate
For sure it has that power
frosty shell
I also imagine that hacking is how the omniums found the plans for the Bastions and Titans
But that's not canon
peak escarp
Okoro wasn't forced to kill itself
peak escarp
I was under the impression that it killed itself to prevent Anubis from using it to attack Pharah's crew
frosty shell
I meant "it left Okoro with no choice but to kill itself"
peak escarp
ah gotcha
frosty shell
just bad wording
peak escarp
right
regal coyote
I would say kaiju omnic of korean sea probably at least have ability to jam automated device if not hack it properly.
frosty shell
My handwave of the whole "god program" debacle is that Pharah, like the fans often do, mixed up god programs with Omniums.
regal coyote
the okoro case though, it seem like he is killing self before he is completely taken over
peak escarp
I think Pharah's mix up might have come from hearing stories about Overwatch and what they did in the crisis from her mother, and either Fareeha remembers the details wrong, or Ana changed some of the details (called them "god progams" for example) to make the story more entertaining for a child
frosty shell
And the easiest way to design around that was using manned MEKAs
limpid agate
Again
God Program is just colloquial for Anubis
Its not a class of program
Or a tier of AI
Its literally just Anubis
frosty shell
yes, that's what we were discussing
An explanation for the discontinuity that doesn't involve retconning the comic
Here's something which might suggest Athena was built by Winston after the fall of Overwatch:
She doesn't recognize Reaper as Reyes (as far as we know), so she probably doesn't have access to Blackwatch data
Although that reasoning may very well be faulty
cunning ledge
It's possible Moira just left none of that inciminating data
and kept it hidden
good point though
frosty shell
Yeah
limpid agate
She has access to Overwatch files.
Its likely there was nothing in the Overwatch files about Reyes being part of Talon
Especially since Reyes' death and the Swiss HQ incident was near the end of the organization
cunning ledge
But if there's anything relating to Moira's experiments on Reyes there's not much of a leap to connecting it to Reaper
I doubt that's how they would find out anyway
Seems a bit.. anticlimactic
regal coyote
i would say both ana and jack knows. maybe pharach, maybe not
neo ow link relies on jack/ana duo connecting with them
limpid agate
Jack, Ana, and all of the playable Talon cast except MAYBE Widow know his identity
worthy rose
I think widow knows him as reaper
cursive jay
:3
valid shell
@cursive jay ?
tall coral
hello
I was told to post here regarding a particular image I was curious about, written in arabic
it appears on a particular overwatch map
worthy rose
it's oasis
worthy rose
the map is oasis
tall coral
ah ok
worthy rose
it's either binge or jewvia who will answer for it
limpid agate
@tall coral Do you have a bigger context of that text
I cant read Arabic but I know what everything on the map says
Nevermind its this
And it says "Guide"
You know, like those directories you find at shopping malls
tall coral
@limpid agate tyvm for the info, I appreciate it 😃
limpid agate
@quartz mesa Shitposting will result in a loss of access
regal coyote
sraly though, there is still a chance hanzo being the hokage or whatever you spell it, basically hanzo cans till inherit his family
now technically he can turn his family into a more heroic group, which makes more sense than him joining overwatch really
short scaffold
@timid zodiac No shitposting in here please
neon quiver
How come Winston hasn't mentioned Hammond? Surely he noticed him snag a ride on his pod.
cunning ledge
Because Hammond hasn't been lore relevant yet
Winston almost definitely knows Hammond is around somewhere
But as far as we know he doesn't care
And has never done anything with that information
neon quiver
Good point. I just want to know their relationship with each other.
cunning ledge
I'm expecting the first neo overwatch mission to relate to either the oasis dig sites or Hammond
neon quiver
Hopefully it's an animated short.
cunning ledge
Neo Overwatch Mission animated short with Tracer, Mei, Winston, Brigitte, and Genji is basically the dream
Possibly Pharah if they decide to go that route soon
neon quiver
Pharah seems pretty independent from the rest but who knows, we haven't new info on her for awhile.
cunning ledge
She'd definitely join if given the choice IMO
The only reasons she wouldn't is that it's horribly illegal and she already has an important duty
neon quiver
Yeah, I'd imagine she was on Winston's call list
worthy rose
Is Winston hammond's dad? 
cunning ledge
He might think to anyway because he knows her through Ana but it's unlikely
@worthy rose no
neon quiver
I think Winston would try to get a hold of her individually sorta like how Genji asked Hanzo to help
worthy rose
That was not a legit question btw @cunning ledge
sharp axle
Why did Reaper join Talon?
The question popped when I played retribution again
Seems stupid that he became the evil he despise
Does jealousy triggers him to do that?
worthy rose
Because he turned evil
sharp axle
But like, is there any explanation why
lean silo
It's been poked at that he was jealous of Morrison/76
iron plume
He may not hate Talon the organization
He hated the people calling a hit on Gerard, but they are already dead by the time of the fall of Overwatch
But for the reason to join them, ultimately we don’t know
There’s reason to suspect Moira had something to do with that
but only suspect, there’s no proof
cunning ledge
I like the idea that Moira's experiments affected his mind too
iron plume
As for the jealousy of Jack, that is the public in-universe explanation, mostly stemming from Mercy’s testimony
cunning ledge
not so much that she did it for the sole purpose of getting him to join talon
iron plume
But Chu said he wasn’t jealous for the position
cunning ledge
but just in general
iron plume
Quicker trigger?
cunning ledge
something like that
possibly also that he was paranoid about overwatch discovering moira's experiments on him
so he generally trusted overwatch less
iron plume
Well he never trusted the process (he’s from LA, not philly) of Overwatch in the first place
Which is why he didn’t want the top position too
regal coyote
think about it though, maybe whoever calling hit on gerad is already dead.
cunning ledge
If it was someone we already knew like Antonio/Vialli/Max/ etc they probably would have told us
regal coyote
cannot be antonio cause he already dead
max? unlikely
not sure if vialli but if it was him doomie would allow reaper to kill him for the fun of it
My suspicion is Domfist MK II
cunning ledge
oh wait do you mean the person who called the "amelie kills him" hit
regal coyote
yes
cunning ledge
seems reasonable then
regal coyote
might be doomfist mk II who plans that, or another person we know not about it yet, whoever it is the current status might be "neutralized"
also this means the doomfi3t taking down doomfi2t is actually doing reaper a favor in a weird way
sharp axle
arent gabe and morrison best pals before 76 become overwatch's leader?
iron plume
Not necessarily best pals but they've respected each other
and that didn't change after Jack was appointed
regal coyote
actually even after jack become leader theya re ok with each otrher as seen in the comic
the emity thing is just through the eyes of mercy
in fact tekhartha heff says gabe is happier with jack instead of himself having to lead
gabe lieks doing blackwatch things
dire timber
my bet is on Vialli taking over from Antonio, like Reyes predicted
Gerard was a liability to Talon still
dire timber
yep
I'm unsure whether it was Moira that brainwashed Amelie... but once Amelie returned, Moira was definitely the one that slowed down her heart rate, turning her skin blue.
worthy rose
*lavender grey
dire timber
and Max likely equipped her; there's definitely an implied connection, what with Widowmaker's visor bearing resemblance to Max's dots
cunning ledge
would have been cool if it was someone else like Antonio instead
because now Max is a cool casino dude and a weapons guy like Antontio was
worthy rose
unrelated
unreal bramble
Oh meh
regal coyote
max equip most people i think
moira for sure did the final upgrades for widow
as for the conditioning i think there might yet be ANOTHER unnamed talon membet yet
prisma wren
Any idea when the next hero is coming out?
old ingot
who is the next hero
prisma wren
Hammond?
limpid agate
@prisma wren July
Teasers should be early June
late*
Late June
@old ingot Hammond is the forerunner. Somehwat likely candidates are Hamid and Max, unlikely candidates are Sanjay and Emre
prisma wren
i honestly think The hero updates are kinda slow.................
old ingot
i c
limpid agate
Its every 4 months
old ingot
personally i want hammond
limpid agate
It only feels slow when you dont like the previous hero
prisma wren
Intresting theory
limpid agate
Also the July slot feels slow
Because the March slot is revealed in Feb
So it feels like 5 months instead of 4
limpid agate
About a week after
prisma wren
BTW is torb being reworked?
limpid agate
Yes
prisma wren
A lot of reworks recently
fringe pewter
They're reworking "troll picks" or noob slayers
prisma wren
definetly
valid shell
Not really the channel for that though.
limpid agate
@worthy rose #overwatch
vagrant crystal
where could i read the full lore of the characters?
worthy rose
pins @vagrant crystal
hoary comet
I think symmetra being offense really fits her lore
quasi schooner
It’s Hammond Winston right?
quasi schooner
Hammond as in winstons trainer?
cunning ledge
Harold Winston
quasi schooner
Oh
cunning ledge
the human guy that mentored gorilla Winston was Harold Winston
cunning ledge
source?
quasi schooner
Oh, I was c,ose
i knew it was something to do with winston
but couldn’t remember if it was talon because of what you guys were just talking about before the hero thing
cunning ledge
Hammond is test subject 8 on the HLC
quasi schooner
Interesting to see his weapon(s)/abilities if he is the next
cunning ledge
Known info is that he's probably a simian of some variety, he's small enough to sneak through air vents, he lived in a cage in a room (you can see it on the map), and at one point he was missing for a week without anyone noticing
regal coyote
i disai think hammond and max is big on this list along with sanjay. Emre is going to be later
Mroe like hammond, max and Sanjay are 99% going to be palyable at one point, not so sure about Emre
woeful pike
idk how they could fit hammond as a hero unless hes very different than winston cuz we dont need another dps and we got 2 supports in a row and we kindof need a new tank heor but idk what hammond would even be like
woeful pike
Im guessing hammond and winston arent very close after they leave lunar colony because there hasnt been any relationship after they leave
woeful pike
I want hammond to be a little monkey lmao i dont want another big boi
I want winston and hammond to be like dankey kang and diddy kang lmao
valid shell
Do you actually?
Or do you just want 'lol funni donky kong' for the same of the meme.
woeful pike
Both
valid shell
I'll pass, thanks.
valid shell
I'm still hoping for hard-light armor Sanjay.
dire timber
I wouldn't mind Hammond being a chimp
woeful pike
I dont like the name sanjay
valid shell
I hate the name Hammond.
dire timber
it's too similar to Harold imo
woeful pike
Idc what the hell we get even that tank enemy from retribution as long as its a tank
cunning ledge
that's gameplay talk
dire timber
I really can't get onboard the idea that many people here have, about Sanjay being a tank
much more likely to be a damage hero
valid shell
What about him suggests he fits in any of the roles?
He's pretty much a blank slate with Vishkar's resources behind him at the moment.
He can be anything.
cunning ledge
having a tank that isn't physically large would fit with a sneaky infiltration talon event next lore event too
valid shell
His character?
sterile loom
Who are you talking about
valid shell
We know next to nothing about him. Outside of A Better World, he's just been sitting at a dark table looking vaguely uncomfortable.
cunning ledge
I imagine hard light armour
cunning ledge
although I've probably gone on about that concept too much already so I won't do it again
dire timber
we can still tell what kind of character he is, though
imagine Symmetra as a tank
doesn't fit, right?
cunning ledge
@sterile loom Sanjay Korpal, Vishkar employee and Talon council member
valid shell
Sanjay isn't Symmetra, though.
cunning ledge
Sanjay using crude hard light constructions of basic shapes would fit perfectly as a tank
valid shell
That's like saying, Pharah should be a healer, just because she's Ana's daughter.
dire timber
no, it's not like that at all
valid shell
I guess I'm just not as subscribed to the idea that tanks always need to be The Big Guy™.
dire timber
that could be it, yeah
talks being all bulky is part of the gameplay
Zarya is halfway there, but still meets the criteria
valid shell
Sanjay could be bulky without being physically big.
valid shell
And by physically, I mean him himself, biologically big.
dire timber
it doesn't feel like a natural choice for the character
valid shell
Because a tank who's a smaller dude that cuts a big silhouette with translucent hard-light armor would be different and interesting?
dire timber
it feels like an idea born out of "I want Talon to have a tank, and we don't really have any other characters for that"
valid shell
Perhaps.
But nothing suggested that the daughter of a defense hero, and goddaughter of a tank, would end up being a healer.
Yet here we are, in this timeline.
dire timber
isn't that kind of beside the point
valid shell
No, it's quite on point.
dire timber
hell, if you asked me what kind of hero Brigitte would be, back when we had just Dragon Slayer and Honor & Glory
support would definitely be on the table
you think that "related to someone" had been a factor
it is not
valid shell
You're the one that started us on this with, "imagine Symmetra as a tank".
I was looking at Sanjay in a vacuum before then.
dire timber
indeed, but that comparison was less about "they have a connection", and more amount "they are alike"
I could just as easily visualize that point using McCree
valid shell
Are they, though? They're identical in-uniform, but Symmetra's aesthetic changes completely when she's on the job.
Why can't Sanjay's change when he's in the field?
dire timber
oh, his outfit should definitely be different
but again, the outfit wasn't my point; the character is
let my just gather my thoughts to figure out a better way to describe it
limpid agate
I always expected Brig to be a builder or someone related to repairing things
Giving people armor fits that
But not the builder half
limpid agate
Yes, but a lot of people built their own equipment
Sombra, Mei, Junk, Torb, Winston, Mercy, Moira
valid shell
We know next to nothing about Sanjay's character, and what we do know might as easily be a front to keep Symmetra docile.
He's a blank slate, backed by Vishkar and Talon.
Plenty of room to explore.
dire timber
I just don't think the role of a tank suits him
limpid agate
Hes also a potential wielder of hard light
They can give him any kit
And explain it away as hard light
valid shell
With sonic elements as well, since Vishkar owns the patents.
dire timber
I think we're getting carried away here
cunning ledge
sonic could work if that's a part of his reveal, connecting to the voice lines
unlikely though
dire timber
hm, you know how Sombra is a sneaky hacker, or McCree is a rogue cowboy? neither of these tropes really suit a tank
I think it's the same with Sanjay's role as a manipulative negotiator
dire timber
but see, while D.va is somewhat of an exception, the role of a gamer does work well in this instance
cunning ledge
insert "aggresive negotiations" star wars meme
dire timber
since the mech gives her something to interface with as a gamer
cunning ledge
ok consider this
sanjay is a negotiator but he's also a tank because hard light armour can be easily hidden in his clothes or whatever
boom explanation
it would not be hard for them to make it work
dire timber
sounds somewhat like a handwave
cunning ledge
exactly
literal hard light is weaponised handwave
literally
symmetra waves her hand to create things
that probably wasn't intentional but i'm accepting it anyway
cunning ledge
and then sanjay turns out to be a healer and we're all wrong anyway
for the record I'm not saying that he's a tank; I'm saying that he could be
dire timber
if Sanjay gets released and isn't a tank, I'm gonna rub it all over your faces
cunning ledge
oof
blizzard not using my carefully crafted donut steel oc concepts
how dare they
cunning ledge
I think slig just means me
limpid agate
Because hard light
cunning ledge
I keep saying this tank thing
limpid agate
Well
We know 2 Talon membes
And one of them is Max
So speculation leaves mr. hard light
dire timber
I think Max would be using some sort of drones
and that his character design would be very... gambling-themed, so to speak?
something about the odds etc.
valid shell
I dunno, Max's character doesn't scream drones.
limpid agate
I think the idea came from one of those fake leaks
dire timber
I think it would be fitting for him not to really get his own hands dirty most of the time
and just use whatever means he has available
cunning ledge
all I want from max is for him to have a silenced pistol or something that means he can actually be stealthy audio-wise
limpid agate
Yes
cunning ledge
that would be fun
valid shell
I'd like Max to be a tank with two big beefy Omnic bodyguards (with dumb themed names).
But that stems from my want of a smaller male tank to shake things up.
peak escarp
I wouldn't call any of Doomfist's abilities lifesteal
limpid agate
His passive is effectively lifesteal
It doesnt heal his health
But his ability damage is converted into barrier
peak escarp
that's more shield generation than lifesteal
but that's also more gameplay than lore
regal coyote
Ok, the reality is, gameplay is most important. For that there are basic requirement for being a tank, first off it has to LOOK LIKE A TANK.
So a tiny little cat running around would be a bad tank, cause it does not immediately look like something bulky and harder to kill.
Yes, you can technically have anyone wearing bulky armor on the outside to be tanky.
But as far as sanjay goes he is more like a sneaky character, as in he does not seem to be the type who would tank out by personality. He seem to be the manipulative politician type more, with abilities on the side.
So basically the opposite of a tank.
iron plume
Looking like one in a comic is irrelevant
d.va doesn't look like a tank by herself either
regal coyote
what comic? DVa have only one flipping thing in comic and she is on a commercial
Thing is, we know almost zero on DVa.
iron plume
I'm talking about Sanjay in the comic, read clues
regal coyote
i mean, dva is the hot blooded type
her personality is exactly what a typical anime series mech pilot would have
pure kernel
^
dire timber
Hamster of all people gets me
indeed, tanking a lot of damage is just not something that would suit Sanjay's character
he's a manipulative official, not a brawler
@cunning ledge
severe oxide
Do I have more loremaster cred now? https://ibb.co/nOX09d
severe oxide
It's cheaper on Amazon than the price that's written on the back
regal coyote
i have access to a digital copy
severe oxide
Hard cover
Really though, it's a pretty nice item
Also, yeah, it's a lore master must
Art book comes next
peak escarp
I've got that - it's nice to have most of the comics in hand
severe oxide
How many more comics did even come out after those in the book
Like 3
Last one in here is Uprising, which was more than a year ago
peak escarp
Wasted Land, Searching, Retribution
peak escarp
plus Yeti Hunter and Junkenstein part 2
peak escarp
and Masquerade
severe oxide
This book contains 12
severe oxide
At this rate yeah
Lmao zenyatta is on the cover of this
I guess he does appear in literally a single panel
regal coyote
... DVa. n the cover too
severe oxide
Yeah, but I was just joking about Zen's infamous lack of overall lore
regal coyote
and she shows as what? a single commercial on a screen in a tiny panel
peak escarp
Lucio, Zen and DVa all lack lore, yet they're on the cover
regal coyote
zen have even more lore than D.Va. hana is sad
lucio at least have one voice line now
peak escarp
the new interaction shows that they do have things planned, they're just taking their time getting to it
limpid agate
Im hopeful 28 brings lore
The last two July heroes were great for that
Ana had her two comics
Doomfist had his anime and Masquerade
regal coyote
valid shell
@regal coyote ?
regal coyote
all for 28 with lore
i hope it is a giant giant robot
cause 28 would be ncie being a giant blue robot
it is tradition also
dire timber
@limpid agate when should we expect 28?
cunning ledge
I want to say before the middle of July for next hero
sacred heath
I predict it’ll be revealed around or during the OWL season finals
Which is July 27thish iirc
limpid agate
Thats way way way too late
cunning ledge
the hero will be on live servers by then
after ~1 week of teasers and however many weeks of ptr
remote steeple
@severe oxide I have the Art of Overwatch book. It's great. I just ordered that one.
severe oxide
Art book is expensive though
Maybe next month
After I free up some shelves as well
Anthology looks super nice on paper
worthy rose
yeah, nothing compares to that shiny magazine paper
cunning ledge
"lore makes blizzard no money, they said"
severe oxide
Imagine if it were good how much money it'd make them
iron plume
still less than lootboxes?
iron plume
lore lootboxes
cunning ledge
They should make a graphic novel for overwatch lore
About the original strike team
And sell it for money
Gasp
They could even call it something cool like "Alpha Attack" or "Primary Offensive"
Also yes lore lootboxes obviously
real talon
I think we deserve a zenyatta short
worthy rose
If we did have a zen short what do you think it should be of?
real talon
There is so much
worthy rose
Is there anything we actually need to know about zen? Hes a monk who helped genji
real talon
Me personally would like to see his relationship with genji
worthy rose
I mean he is practically a side character despite being playable
iron plume
Training genji would be a genji short and not a zen one
if there's a zen short I'd like it to be him leaving the monk order and traveling the world helping people
maybe with a glimpse of genji in the end
worthy rose
I simply think that he doesnt get attention because there is nothing really to see about him
real talon
Yeah thats a good middle ground
worthy rose
Hes a monk who helps people
iron plume
There's been "nothing to see" about all the characters there was no lore for
until there was
worthy rose
Examples?
iron plume
Rein
Mei
Junkers
everyone except for the people that had pre-release comics started with just the bio
worthy rose
Meis short was a cop out of her backstory we already knew about
iron plume
yeah and that backstory was "basically nothing to see"
until it wasn't
same for bastion
worthy rose
Whereas reins short showed us how he got his scar, how balderich died and how he ended up joining overwatch
Questions that existed for a while
real talon
I liked reins
iron plume
So is questions your requirement for a short?
What caused Zen to leave the order?
How did he meet Genji?
What is he doing in "present day"?
real talon
Yes
Questions would be great
Cause they could really evolve what we know well as much as we know so far with zen
iron plume
What was his relationship with Mondatta?
How did the experience with Genji affect him?
Does he actually fight, if only to protect people?
There's a ton of Zen questions unless you decide to deliberately ignore them
And it's the same for his story
worthy rose
Questions that have been answered already
iron plume
Not really?
And Mei's questions have been known too
it's the how that was answered in the short
worthy rose
I wasnt supposed to delete that
worthy rose
Imo he doesnt need one
Cause he aint relevant right now
And i dont think he will be for a while
limpid agate
I think thats exactly why he needs a short
Make him relevant
For all the shit Meis short got
It made her relevant
She IS Overwatch
dire timber
@real talon I have a Zen animated short all planned out
in the opening arc, Zen talks with Mondatta, and decides to leave the Shambali
green cloak
i dont actually like zen story or character at all
dire timber
then, some time passes, and Zen meets Genji
green cloak
i think its boring
dire timber
they clash, and get into a fight, which Zen wins by outsmarting Genji, due to Genji's impatience
and from that point onward, Genji accepts the role of Zen's student
@worthy rose @iron plume relevant to you two as well, I guess
nimble solstice
sup
valid shell
@shut spindle Please.
Share.
But keep in mind, shitposting will result in loss of access.
spring pumice
Can I post Overwaifu tier list here or is that not legit?
timid eagle
@spring pumice General Discussion.
spring pumice
Damn
timid eagle
I mean, it says so I’m the title. Unless if they announced that Symmetra was a swimsuit model or something, that sort of thing doesn’t count in the LORE channel. 😛
spring pumice
TFW You realize there are several women in this game, none of them are married.
peak escarp
Widowmaker was married
emphasis on was
that would be a pretty big bombshell, if they revealed some of the heroes are married/have kids we haven't seen before
valid shell
@spring pumice There's also several men in this game, and only one is (confirmed) married.
spring pumice
Name vidjya game with married female protagonist.
peak escarp
I couldn't even name one with a married male protagonist
spring pumice
Silent Hill.
Wasn't that dude trying to find his wife?
I'm pretty sure "My wife has been kidnapped/disappeared." Has been in a decent share of video games.
peak escarp
anyway, the only married/formerly married heroes in Overwatch are Torbjorn and Widowmaker
spring pumice
Yeah Torb is married.
peak escarp
we don't know the status of Ana and Sam
valid shell
I don't understand what the point of this discussion is.
peak escarp
and the only other relationship we know about is Tracer and Emily
restive flower
inb4 Emily is Hero 28
limpid agate
@restive flower Why
limpid agate
Brigitte was expected
She was Rein's squire and Torb's daughter
We knew she had some part of Torb's trade since she was repairing and maintaining Rein's armor
restive flower
Wasn't the squire thing revealed after she was revealed as Hero 27?
restive flower
I thought she was just a mechanic that worked on Rein's armor
limpid agate
She was his squire and mechanic.
In Uprising, she was revealed to be Torbs daughter
And that more or less cemented her as inevitable
One year later, here she is
Emily is just some girl
Might as well make Sam or Ingrid a hero at that point
restive flower
Anything's possible.
Looking at an older page from the gamepedia, nothing mentions her of being Reinhardt's "squire" https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Brigitte&diff=78851&oldid=78848
peak escarp
just because a fan-run wiki doesn't have it doesn't mean that wasn't the case
they're missing a lot of things
restive flower
Skimming through Dragon Slayer, nothing confirms her status as his squire
limpid agate
A squire is an attendant, armor bearer, knight in training.
We knew Brig was the first two from Dragon Slayer
We did not know the third
peak escarp
"squire" isn't really an official position or anything, it's just the function she served in Reinhardt's story
restive flower
She repaired his armor and cheered. In Honor and Glory, she tried to convince him to refuse Winston's call. Nothing suggests she is capable in combat.
That's why I'm saying anything's possible. A year ago, I never would've guessed she would become the oppressive close combat brawler she is today.
peak escarp
she was still in more of a combat position than Emily
restive flower
That's more of a joke than anything :|
limpid agate
You want more npcs with no combat feats that have decent odds
Thats almost all of them
Max, Hammond, Sanjay, Hammid
peak escarp
we don't know anything about Emily aside from her name and who her girlfriend is
limpid agate
Even for ones with long run odds, add Lynx.
Its just Emre and the Queen who are even remotely noteable AND have combat feats
restive flower
Junker Queen?
limpid agate
And Emre is an ex-Overwatch agent
Nah, her mech is a lot shittier
Could be an ult rather than base
restive flower
I guess they can change the kit of the mech while maintaining the mech/pilot gimmick D.Va has.
limpid agate
Or just make it so she ults into a mech, rather than spawns in one
valid shell
That would be ideal.
That her mech is just an exosuit that improves her abilities while she's ulting.
There's comparable classes in WoW, but I won't go into that.
swift vortex
Hammond
dire timber
@restive flower "one thing happened that I didn't expect, so anything is possible now lul" is not exactly the best logic imho
cunning ledge
@quasi schooner girl with the sling?
tepid abyss
who/what is hammond lore wise?
quasi schooner
The one in the world could always use more heroes. She’s got a sticker/spray (also I meant cast, not sling)
worthy rose
that was a boy
quasi schooner
hides
worthy rose
lul
quasi schooner
turns back in shame
quasi schooner
Same question, but boy instead of girl and he instead of she XD
worthy rose
afaik hes not the "mascot"
short scaffold
tracer is the mascot
worthy rose
if anything, tracer is the mascot
quasi schooner
Yeh, I guess
short scaffold
punch kid was just a character from one of the cinematics
that's his name btw
punch kid
quasi schooner
but they’re in it a fair bit considering
short scaffold
he's in like 2 sprays, then referenced in another
quasi schooner
spray, cinematic(I think a poster in another too)
cunning ledge
actually
fun fact
his name is timmy
this is actually canonical
i'm not even joking
quasi schooner
Wow. There’s three people at once putting me to shame saying the same thing and barely listening to each other
cunning ledge
and his older brother is called brian
quasi schooner
slight step away from lore what if Brian became a doom fist 2.0, seeing as he lifted and used the fist
cunning ledge
because of that one hero concept someone made once
cunning ledge
someone literally made a doomfist hero concept for that kid with the gauntlet
which was stupid
cunning ledge
not as bad as the one that was hammond with the gauntlet
short scaffold
@tepid abyss No advertising. And yes, linking to #video-content after posting a video there counts as advertising
And no shitposting in here either
cunning ledge
brazen hazel
What is Genji's sword name? Is it "Ryugekiken" or "Ryu-ichimonji"?
regal coyote
Ryu-ichimonji <=== the long one. bsically ichimonji with dragon added to the front. ichimonji is famous swordsmith family once. now they are degraded people clinging onto their names, making kitchen knives. YES, they still around, and make good kitchen knives, but a sword smith is way more high ranking than a kitchen smith. Still, good products. and they still keep a small section of sword related service department in their store
restive flower
@dire timber [Emily]'s more of a joke than anything :|
regal coyote
why is emily a joke.
dire timber
@restive flower ???
regal coyote
sure she is quite useless when it comes to the lore, but she adds depth as a depanda of tracer, jsut like torby's wife or ana's husband
restive flower
You pinged me earlier. I replied.
cunning ledge
@brazen hazel the latter, there's a voice line where he says it
I don't think it's actually in the game but he's probably referring to his sword in his room in Nepal
brazen hazel
I see, thank you
worthy rose
@worthy rose
obtuse geyser
winston x tracer
cunning ledge
@obtuse geyser serious discussion here please
young sage
Ja men tja BondTurkar!! =◇
valid shell
@young sage ?
red flame
brb
cunning ledge
the hell is going on here
valid shell
Has this channel turned into Meet Hot Singles In Your Area?
peak escarp
browsing the forums and reddit, I notice that a lot of people think that Mercy is around 50 years old
why is it that they never get anyone else's age wrong - just Mercy?
where does the idea that she's older even come from?
limpid agate
If people cared to guess Zaryas age
I imagine they would get that wrong too
She doesnt look 3 (12) years younger than Mei.
pure kernel
Zarya is 30
limpid agate
28
limpid agate
Yup
limpid agate
Yes
peak escarp
I would not have guessed Zarya's age
she seemed older/more mature
but then again she does have a serious personality
valid shell
If only there was some way to see these ages on one convenient site.
To avoid this entire exchange.
peak escarp
I know there is
I'm pointing out the fact that a lot of people don't bother looking it up and just keep repeating incorrect information
iron plume
And also the fact that character design may make some characters look older or younger
dire timber
that doesn't sound right
cunning ledge
but yeah it really doesn't sound right
dire timber
they should tweak Zarya's age to 32 or something
valid shell
The average age of Olympic weightlifters is 25.
Zarya would be past her prime if she was any older.
In fact, it's 24 for women weightlifters.
iron plume
nah Zarya makes complete sense as an under-30
she just looks older becuase she's #swole
valid shell
Aside from like
Baseball, because the Jays always field fucking dinosaurs.
Most athlete are under 30.
So Zarya checks out.
iron plume
in baseball a lot of people are dinosaurs
but yeah Olympic ones are a very young person's game in general
next musk
jj
valid shell
@next musk ?
spring pumice
Turett dies: MY BABY
Brigitte dies: SILIENCE
Torbjorn, not a loving a father. Deepest lore.
valid shell
@spring pumice Ana doesn't say anything for Pharah either.
I feel like Blizzard isn't going to try to capture the grief of watching your child die, even if it's in a silly noncanon gameplay circumstance.
Good move on their part.
peak escarp
Torbjorn treating his turret like one of his children is a running joke
spring pumice
but Torb... torb doesnt care
and when Brigitte kills torb she says "Back to the slag heap old man." Or something like that.
Methinks the Lindholms got troubles.
valid shell
Nah.
They act plenty amiable to each other in interactions.
Murdering one another isn't a fair circumstance to gauge actual canon feelings.
@spring pumice And she just says "Sorry papa".
Far from "BACK TO THE SLAG HEAP OLD MAN"
spring pumice
She said something like that yesterday when I killed torb with her.
I remember being taken aback by it like "GEES that's not very nice."
peak escarp
Plenty of voice lines don't represent canon attitudes or behavior
valid shell
@spring pumice Do you have a screenshot or clip of the line?
spring pumice
Naw.
spring pumice
I really thought I heard her say something like that.
peak escarp
Doomfist on Volskaya, for example: "This time I'll make sure the mission doesn't fail."
spring pumice
Maybe I'm full of shit though, wouldn't be the firs time.
valid shell
And people really thought that Reaper said "you're the one responsible for this" to Mercy.
When that line never existed.
spring pumice
He doesn't say that but he does imply it.
valid shell
N o.
spring pumice
"Gabrielle what happened to you?"
-"YOU TELL ME DOC."
valid shell
I do NOT want to get into this discussion.
She never calls him Gabriel.
Please do not spread misinformation.
peak escarp
Reaper expected her to be able to explain what happened because she's a doctor
spring pumice
OK if we being hardcore I'll go look up the literal voice lines.
valid shell
Please, do.
peak escarp
Not because she made it happen
valid shell
Actually having the facts helps when discussing lore.
spring pumice
Mercy: What happened to you?
Reaper: You tell me, Doc.
valid shell
Why would she ask what happened to him if she was responsible. What logic is this.
You'd think she would know.
spring pumice
There is a whole big fan theory that revovles around Reaper being the failed result of Mercy's early experments.
peak escarp
A terrible theory
valid shell
That was pre-Moira. Moira invalidates all of that.
valid shell
We know for a FACT that Moira is the one who altered Reyes.
There's 0 speculation to be had.
spring pumice
Moira hocus pocused him?
peak escarp
Genetic manipulation
valid shell
We've outright seen her giving him his powers.
spring pumice
Hey I'm new to the whole lore thing, but I'm trying. You gonna be cool or be elitest about it?
peak escarp
It's the biggest misconception in Overwatch
spring pumice
I was always in the "Mercy is pure" camp btw.
valid shell
People propagating this "evil Mercy" theory because the extent of their creative capacity is "WHAT IF GOOD WAS ACTUALLY BAD".
Mercy had absolutely zero involvement in Reaper's condition, except that Moira used her research.
spring pumice
Mercy still pure 😃
How about Reinhardt? Was the comic metaphore, or does he suffer from legit battle fatigue and actually think he is a dragonslaying medieval knight?
valid shell
I doubt they're going to go deep into PTSD or CTE or anything, but Brigitte does mention his overactive imagination, and his body is described as 'breaking down after years of combat' in her bio.
He doesn't actually believe he's a medieval knight, but he does admire the archtype.
And tries to emulate it.
spring pumice
Ya know what rather than me just asking stuff.
Tell me tales of OW lore. like your favorite stuff. You seam really into it so I'mma let you do you.
wispy fog
Brigitte is more of a Paladin cause of the mace and shield. Plus she can heal and she fights for justice
lusty thorn
So why are Lucio D.va Even here cause I know Lucio’s dad works for I can’t remember the company name but Symmetra also works for them making Lucio a little related but D.va besides being part of the omnic crisis by being in MEKA Which like I said was part of the crisis by fighting but these two are barely related to overwatch someone please help explain to me to
valid shell
@lusty thorn Lucio and D.Va aren't connected at all, aside from both being celebrities.
lusty thorn
And MEKA and the Omnic crisis and Lucio’s dad working for the same company as Symmetra as well as Symmetra having a discussion with Lucio about said company
valid shell
You're going to have to use some punctuation, dude.
It's super hard to parse what you're trying to say.
valid shell
It takes longer to have to explain what you mean, because I'm lost.
So you'll have to extrapolate a bit.
limpid agate
You can just every line one sentence
Instead of chaining together multiple sentences in one line
Or even just send at every comma
lusty thorn
Ok
limpid agate
Lucio and DVa are not relevant
lusty thorn
But they kind of are, Little bit
valid shell
Vaguely.
limpid agate
Not at all, no
lusty thorn
I agree vaguely
valid shell
D.Va's literally still fighting the first Omnic Crisis, but nobody in the world cares, and just focuses on Russia.
limpid agate
They are tied to the universe, but not to any other characters
limpid agate
Orisa is also mostly irellevant
limpid agate
Bastion was at launch, but now he's Torbjorn's companion. And Zen would be if he didnt help Genji, but he is still mostly unrelated to everyone and everything
lusty thorn
👌
valid shell
Zenyatta and Hanzo are largely just side-characters for Genji's arc.
lusty thorn
👍
valid shell
An arc that Genji's pretty much finished, making them kind of defunct as characters.
lusty thorn
Wow ok
limpid agate
Overwatch was:
Soldier 76, Torbjorn, Reinhardt, Ana, Reaper, McCree, Genji, Moira, Tracer, Mercy, Winston, Mei (as a scientist)
Present day Overwatch is:
Winston, Tracer, Mei, Reinhardt, and potentially Brigitte, Genji, Torbjorn, and Bastion
Talon is:
Reaper, Moira, Doomfist, Widowmaker, Sombra
Yes theres a few repeats
lusty thorn
Black watch
limpid agate
That leaves:
Pharah, Hanzo, Junkrat, DVa, Orisa, Roadhog, Zarya, Lucio, Symmetra, Zenyatta
Pharah and Hanzo are tied because they are family of Overwatch heroes
Symmetra is working for a guy that is a Talon leader, but he's not playable
Zen trained Genji's mind
lusty thorn
Road hog and junk rat get tight in From the comics
limpid agate
Junkrat and Roadhog are related to no one but each other
Zarya is related to no one important
valid shell
@lusty thorn Old Overwatch IS Blackwatch.
limpid agate
Orisa was built because of Doomfist but shes never met anyone
Lucio has no lore
DVa has less
lusty thorn
🤦♂️
Lucio’s dad works 4the same company as Symmetra
Which is accompanied by an in game interaction
so Lucio has a little lore
valid shell
@lusty thorn Vishkar.
lusty thorn
Thank you yes vishcar
valid shell
Lucio and Symmetra are only relevant to the plot because one of Vishkar's higher-ups is on the Talon council.
lusty thorn
Vishkar*
valid shell
And that's a lot of degrees away from being relevant.
hasty surge
Next hero is coming soon right?
south nest
shut spindle
