that's just another rounded number though
#lore-discussion
dire timber
peak escarp
yes
the only solid numbers we have are:
- Overwatch shut down (5 years ago)
- Swiss HQ explosion/Morrison thought dead (6 years ago)
- Uprising (7 years ago)
- Retribution (8 years ago)
- Operation White Dome (23 years ago)
limpid agate
And ages
peak escarp
oh, and Mei going into cryostasis (9 years ago)
yes and ages
which we have to assume are counted from "current day" in OW, whatever that is
most common year people choose is 2076 because 2016 + 60 years, but again 60 is a rounded number
and Retribution shows that the time scale they're using is the fixed date of Recall, and doesn't account for any forward progression of time in the OW story
limpid agate
Not that we have much
Recall reactions, Doomfist's arc, Orisa's arc, Binary, and Searching.
limpid agate
If that
We know Christmas and New Years have passed
And a couple months past that
But thats it
peak escarp
Best guesses place Recall early in the year (it happens the same day as Alive, and the clock in Alive says 5pm - it would have to be Jan/Feb for it to be that dark out by 5pm in London)
Masquerade happens February of the following year
and Doomfist retrieves his gauntlet/Orisa is created a couple months after that
it's impossible to tell how long it takes Zarya to track down Sombra (since that comic is a mess), so I don't know which one counts as the latest in the timeline
peak escarp
oh right
I forgot she appears in the background
so Searching takes us into late spring/early summer +1 year after Recall
dire timber
@peak escarp Recall needed to happen before Christmas, though
peak escarp
yes
Recall happens early 2076, then Christmas 2076 Emily and Tracer visit Winston
there's a whole year of events we haven't seen in between
limpid agate
Sigh
Ill give him a view because this looks silly
Its just an Overwatch artist drawing a fan hero for a fan
Like whats her name
Birst
Ill try and find a good picture
limpid agate
Yeah all it is, is
Someone emailed Blizzard their hero
And they drew him
Its not hero 28 or anything important. Just fanservice
frosty shell
Of course Mei's journal makes the recall time thing weird
limpid agate
Not really
frosty shell
But perhaps the recall was on loop for the whole year
cedar galleon
@frosty shellwhat do you mean
limpid agate
Recall happens > Mei wakes up > Mei visits Winston > Mei starts her journal in October
If its 6 months between Recall and Journal, that's just weird pacing
But look at Searching to see just how bad Overwatch pacing can be
frosty shell
You say that, but what's the evidence for the pacing being weird specifically?
I'm not 100% sure what you're referring to
limpid agate
Searching starts after Infiltration
It ends as the most recent event in the lore after all of Doomfist and Orisa's lore
Meaning Zarya was wandering the world aimlessly for months looking for a Mexican hacker before she went to Numbani, met an Omnic that told her what the news reported months ago, and then wandered around Dorado for more weeks.
frosty shell
It never says it was immediately after Infiltration
limpid agate
In the short, Katya was still wearing the earrings that Widow shot
frosty shell
Maybe Zarya needed a break in the combat to meet with Volskaya face to face
limpid agate
WHen she met with Zarya
frosty shell
And maybe Katya just likes those earrings
limpid agate
She had it in the comic too
frosty shell
That's what I meant
peak escarp
the 6 months between Mei meeting with Winston and then going to check out the Ecopoints in asia (and writing her journal) can be explained by Mei being placed under observation to make sure there were no ill effects from her time in cryostasis, and her having to write a report/debrief about what happened
she also starts the journal saying "I'm Mei - yes, that Mei", implying the world knows about her ordeal and she's somewhat famous for it
maybe she did a press tour/talk show circuit?
frosty shell
Yeah that checks out
dire timber
@limpid agate there's no firm evidence that Recall takes place in January though - could just as easily be Summer
frosty shell
But it did happen the day of Alive
limpid agate
Alive/Dragons/Hero all took place around the same time
dire timber
hm, how do we know it's the same day, anyway?
peak escarp
but the clock in the background says the fight happens between 5:05 and 5:15pm
dire timber
Alive and Recall?
frosty shell
In the background of Recall somebody mentions Mondatta is in London
dire timber
I've never seen that
peak escarp
the news broadcast Winston is watching mentions Mondatta's speech "later tonight"
frosty shell
And presumably that was meant to connect the two shorts
peak escarp
it's hard to make out in English, but the foreign language dubs make it much clearer
frosty shell
Because I doubt Blizz would've thrown that in if they didn't mean to establish a timeline
peak escarp
Infiltration going straight into Searching does seem somewhat funny though
at the end of Infiltration, Katya asks Zarya if she knows why she is here, and Zarya says "I believe I do"
at the start of Searching, she's very confused as to why Katya is sending her on this mission
I guess she didn't know why she was there after all
frosty shell
Oh I didn't realize Zarya was physically present after Infiltration
Even so, the bit at the end could take place a few weeks after the rest of the short
Now I understand what that thing about the earrings means
valid shell
@frosty shell Problem is that Orisa exists in Searching, and Orisa was built in response to Doomfist breaking out of prison, which happened AFTER Infiltration, because he asks Reaper about it.
So it's a mess.
frosty shell
But in the 10ish weeks between Infiltration and Searching, it could've happened
frosty shell
But maybe 5 weeks between Talon showing up and Zarya showing up
and 5 weeks spent by Zarya looking for Sombra clues
limpid agate
Also CHina and England
And not even asking important people either. Asking the cops on the street
frosty shell
But maybe SOmbra targeted those places
peak escarp
I kinda assumed she took the holidays off and started searching in the new year, but then again, Zarya doesn't seem like the type to not start a job as soon as it's given
valid shell
The artist just wanted some ez fanservice scraps and plugged the shiny new hero into a panel, not realizing how much he fucked up the timeline.
frosty shell
And so it would make sense to interrogate the local cops
limpid agate
But then she never investigates Dorado
Which Sombra targetted
And is also in Mexico
Where the MExican hacker with the Spanish name was noteably present
And immediately before the Volskaya job too
frosty shell
Admittedly, that is a big problem with searching
peak escarp
Infiltration happens November 2/3, Orisa is built March/April the following year . . . Zarya took like 5 months to track her down
peak escarp
I wasn't basing it off real world time
limpid agate
We know the Lumerico job was in November
frosty shell
It doesn't seem like Lynx-17 was necessary for Zarya to find out that Sombra was in Dorado
limpid agate
November 1st
@frosty shell He really really wasnt, because everything he told Zarya, Atlas News told the world.
And Atlas News is a news group that exists in universe that reports on things in universe
frosty shell
Maybe Zarya knew nothing about Sombra because she was on the front lines when the hack happened?
And thus paid no attention to the news
peak escarp
Masquerade happens in February (Carnivale in Venice is the 2 weeks leading up to Shrove Tuesday, which is late Feb/early March depending on the year), Doomfist goes after his gauntlet after that, Doomfist destroys the OR15s and Efi buys a chassis to build Orisa
valid shell
All Lynx did was disable the barrier in Sombra's compound.
That was their only use.
Actually, they were more of a detriment, because Sombra hacked them.
Allowing her to escape.
peak escarp
building Orisa would take a few weeks, maybe a month, so that puts Orisa's build date around late March/early April
frosty shell
My guess is that all Zarya was doing was gathering intelligence on Sombra
Lynx-17 actually knew barely anything extra on Sombra
valid shell
Gathering intelligence and firing a black hole at her.
frosty shell
Zarya does ask Lynx-17 "Is that all?" when they tell her what they know about Sombra
limpid agate
And at the end of the comic, very little changed in terms of anything.
frosty shell
So maybe Volskaya just assumed he would be connected to Sombra
Searching does have problems admittedly
limpid agate
Zarya still hates omnics, but she doesn't mind Lynx. And she trusts Volskaya less but still respects her authority.
The entire comic exists to just create Lynx, and he doesnt do anything useful
limpid agate
It
frosty shell
It is strange why Sombra targeted Lijiang Tower
frosty shell
Lucheng Interstellar, I guess
Zarya probably visited other places the comic didn't show
valid shell
That's a lot of money sunk into someone with 0 background in detective work.
frosty shell
But I guess Volskaya only trusted Zarya?
peak escarp
Zarya is sort of a national icon
probably famous for ditching a world weightlifting competition to fight for her country
regal coyote
zarya is chosen for the mission on trust i think
kat probably thinks that even if sombra leaks her dealings to zarya , zarya would not spread it
also, sombra could have taken zarya easily given the circumstance
sombra knows zarya is coming, and has bugged lynx knowing their moves.
so technically sombra could have jumped them unaware, or deliberately lure them to that warehouse.
so sombra losing is either one of her scheme, or she being arrogent
peak escarp
Hammond's room is in the new Horizon that's on the PTR right now
he has carrots and bananas in his cage
valid shell
Hammond has a room?
Well, that changes things.
People still didn't care that he was missing, but at least now he's not in a cage.
peak escarp
he has a cage in a room
peak escarp
limpid agate
Ill look into it
valid shell
Oh, so it's a Koko-esque containment cage thing.
peak escarp
there's a schematic on the floor that makes it look like Hammond made his own pod and attached it somehow to Winston's rocket when he escaped to earth
so Hammond is becoming more likely as a candidate for next hero
valid shell
I'm disappointed.
peak escarp
valid shell
Interesting.
Looks like he's not nearly as intelligent as Winston, which I at least appreciate.
Don't want him cramping his style.
limpid agate
So much for not being a chimp
valid shell
Weird that there's carrots, though.
That might just be a reference to the test where scientists bribed chimps with cucumbers and grapes to demonstrate fairness.
Except in this instance, it's carrots and bananas.
valid shell
Monkeys, probably.
I wouldn't mind a rabbit, but that's a little too silly.
As much as the link to Moira would please me.
ebon wadi
New lunar colony stuff ?
ebon wadi
Sure.
frosty shell
Or D.Va, she likes rabbits
The connection thing is definitely big Hammond lore
It means he's likely on Earth
valid shell
I'd say definitely.
Since he's not on the station, and planned to grapple onto Winston's pod.
gaunt seal
We are going to make junkrat and roadhog sisters
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
lean silo
carrots and bananas? probably a chimp smh
I'd rather they not do another monkey
er, primate
just for variety's sake
i mean we already have a bunch of humans but
limpid agate
Well, there goes the cat
lean silo
what likes bananas, though?
limpid agate
Monkeys
lean silo
maybe a very selective cat
limpid agate
They also eat carrots
limpid agate
You are just dumb
lean silo
Maybe that was just someone's fanon
lean silo
Neither of those ring a bell.
limpid agate
lean silo
alright, but what about em?
peak escarp
there's a message on the screens in Horizon about Simon and Hypatia stealing things
fresh fulcrum
hmm
peak escarp
hmm?
timid eagle
I wouldn’t mind a hero that is a regular rescue dog & is a new Support.
It would be fun to run about on all fours and do some crazy things from that POV.
limpid agate
Downside is youre shooting a rescue dog
timid eagle
Well, people already shoot a gorilla, a robot centaur, Orisa’s puppy, etc.
Wouldn’t be the first.
limpid agate
It would be.
A gorilla is a talking gorilla.
A robot centaur is a robot
Orisa's puppy cant actually be shot
timid eagle
Point taken.
But I just want new ways to play this game, & a Robot Rescue Dog would be keel.
Cool.
sly yarrow
literally just a large dog, like a newfoundland, but it's an offtank, and it has twin miniguns on its back similar to bastion. It has an ability called Retrieve that lets it eat the full brunt of a single projectile ability by leaping to it at high speed
quality hero right there
Hell, we do need a new off-tank. We've gotten a Main tank, a Main Healer, two off-healers, and a couple DPS
limpid agate
Reminder this is the lore channel, not the gameplay channel
prisma wren
WE NEED A NEW DEFENSE HERO
worthy rose
There's not going to be a defense/offense type.
Its just gonna be Damage, Healer, Tank
ebon wadi
intense lore
olive umbra
@prisma wren there is no such thing as a defense hero anymore
its just damage
Tank, Support and Damage
proven copper
where do i find overwatch lore @ me
worthy rose
check pins @proven copper
proven copper
oki
thick valley
soooooo, with the HLC rework, do you think Hammond might be the next Hero?
cunning ledge
Jeff did say the update had some lore
If the new lore does reference Hammond then there's a chance
worthy rose
You can check out the newest defense hero on the ptr
prisma wren
U mean sym?
worthy rose
that's the joke
quasi schooner
Hook em and cook em boys
regal coyote
what do you mean, sym is always a defence hero, whoever name it a support is fucking idiot to start with. she is less of a support than brig
But back to topic. does it mean we have more sym lore now
dire timber
@thick valley I'm still banking on Faisal
worthy rose
HLC changes also bring new lore
so I'm now saving the old one to have a snapshot of it
It's a lil' 4GB uncompressed
ebon wadi
Haven't seen the changes to HLC yet, is there really new lore or is it just stuff we kinda knew already ?
worthy rose
Well, I know that Jeff isn't that reliable but he said it's getting updated
In the upcoming social features video
cunning ledge
@ebon wadi there's definitely new stuff
ebon wadi
Thank you! I got linked to another server with those up already though.
regal coyote
so, most likely a type of monkey or ape then
limpid agate
Unfortunately
peak escarp
it was very unlikely that Hammond was going to be anything else
considering Dr. Harold Winston worked in the Simian Research Division
reef river
do you think that would reduce the likelihood of getting another tank next?
might feel a bit crowded to have 2 monkey tanks
28% of tanks would be monkeys
regal coyote
WHAT do you mean?
they are mostly ALL apes, and almost all of them gorillas.
Ham is the exception.
but the strange is the lack of cli9mbing things for hammond
even though the food stuff shows a veggie/fruit diet
in fact the cage is quite minimal.
valid shell
Well, with heightened intelligence might come a lesser interest in cli9mbing.
regal coyote
also the size, from the feeding area and the gap on top we know it cannot be too small, so at least much bigger than a cat.
reef river
jetpack cat dis-confirmed 😦
regal coyote
well it can be a space rabbit or racoon (same thing)
valid shell
I've always been into the idea of Moira's rabbit re-appearing.
regal coyote
but rabbit is too small most likely, and they are shit climbers, so no air-duct adventures
valid shell
I know, I don't mean in the context of Hammond, I just mean in general.
peak escarp
Jetpack cat has always been off the table
regal coyote
you never know
this is blizz, if there is enough demand blizz will make it as we know.
now playable or not is another story
not impossible that it would be available as some arcade thing
peak escarp
them making it was the Brigitte teasers with schematics for a cat rocketpack
regal coyote
as said, can be a silly thing like "jetpack cat ball"
peak escarp
. . .
limpid agate
Im still feeling the jetpack cat concept has good odds
Whether or not its still a cat
regal coyote
better yet, it survive as a "pet" creature for a playable hero
after all we lack a hero with a pet, a common genre as a playable character
valid shell
I am all about a pet class, but I guarantee it will be some kind of robot, or drone, or a hard-light construct.
It will not be an actual living organic animal.
The most I'll concede is a robot with a copy of a living dog/bird/horse/whatever's memories uploaded into it.
regal coyote
or a version with a twist: a smart biological creature, with a humanoid robot companion
no i am not talking about bastion
bastion is ptsd robot vet with emotional support animal
gilded gulch
whats with the rocket pulling a ball in S8s room?
gilded gulch
so the ball is the escape pod?
limpid agate
It appears so, yes
gilded gulch
why doesnt he just use the rocket tho?
limpid agate
Because its filled with fuel
gilded gulch
wait in the bluprint is the pod the same thing as the ball drawn on the notepad?
limpid agate
Yes
frosty shell
They're never going to make Jetpack Cat a playable hero
They already exhausted that idea as a tease for Brigitte
regal coyote
@limpid agate my guess is that winston made his escape pod, and hammond got hold of its plans .
So Hammond's plan is to make a claw with a cable to hold onto winston's whatever device/rocket/etc.
hence tha plan. if you look at the sticker he is building a saiyan personal transport type pod to be piggybacked onto winston's escape plan.
Blizz's love of reference, so his pod looks like that, for sure. it is DBZ
limpid agate
Makes sense
@frosty shell That's precisely why I think Jetpack Cat has a chance for exactly hero 28
limpid agate
No
knotty stirrup
A bunny?
knotty stirrup
Oh yea Hammond.
gilded gulch
nah it cant be a chimp, look at the gap that it got out
unless you think it could fit through there?
maybe it could
gilded gulch
oh ok
regal coyote
no jetpack cat is not hammond
knotty stirrup
Jetpack Jeff
regal coyote
juvia is saying 28 is not hammond
valid shell
@knotty stirrup lol funni joke
limpid agate
Either Jetpack Cat is a cat.
Or Jetpack Cat is Hammond and not a cat anymore.
valid shell
tell another 1
knotty stirrup
@valid shell idk
valid shell
Maybe Brigitte completed her cat jetpack prototype, but then learned that cats are fickle, and frankly pretty stupid as far as animals go, so she put said jetpack in storage.
limpid agate
Thats an outcome that makes sense
gilded gulch
it sounds like donkey kong and diddy
valid shell
I don't doubt that Blizzard would flood them with references.
gilded gulch
oh yeah ik
knotty stirrup
What if Hammond has a jetpack?
regal coyote
on the contrary blizz ia ALWAYS buit with mainly references and memes
valid shell
Nintendo is another story, though.
They're much more of a legal dreadnaught for Blizzard to tackle.
regal coyote
nope
gilded gulch
the odd voiceline wouldnt hurt?
regal coyote
if it is a reference it would be a parody
gilded gulch
theyre making overwatch for the switch arent they?
knotty stirrup
How does Nintendo get involved in the Overwatch lore?
gilded gulch
so surely nintendo would allow it
regal coyote
like if it makes winston say "maybe i should start going up a building and throw down burning barrels"
see, references does not mean you have to copy a character
regal coyote
ANYONE can mention plumbers saving princess and nintendo have no ability and no rights to stop people from mentioning it
kinda like how deadpool yells "i', batman"
it becomes so obviously a reference that you cant complain.
like, anyone can mention coca-cola
or google.
and before you ask blizz did tons of streetfighter reference and what not aldy on capcom
and all those color scheme, esp the ones in hots.
obviously he is not going to get a DK/Diddy skin, but mentioning "I am not going to run around naked with only a tie on" is completely ok
frosty shell
I'm pretty sure they aren't making Overwatch for the Switch
It would take up too much of the development resources to build a completely new engine this late in the game's cycle
Also, the Switch isn't quite as powerful as the PS4 and Xbox One
untold cradle
valid shell
@untold cradle ?
prisma wren
Briggite made a jetpack cat prototype?
valid shell
@prisma wren Who's Briggite?
prisma wren
hero 27
rough oxide
Brigitte*
prisma wren
why is this channel dead?
valid shell
Because there's not much to talk about atm?
iron plume
Because unlike the other ones, complaining about your teammates is not relevant here
prisma wren
@iron plume that is very true
royal spear
I can't believe there is much to talk about what with the new Hammond room being released on ptr
Sooooo there should be a lot to talk about especially regarding the existence of hero 28 who is likely hammond
limpid agate
Jetpack Hammond
Hamid Faisal
Maximillien
Emre Surioglu
The candidates havent really changed
All that changed was Hammond's race
royal spear
wait wut
hammond's race? hes a monkey
we saw the footprints before they are monkey tracks
also why would blizzard go out of their way to edit a map if they aren't releasing a character related to it
valid shell
@royal spear He wasn't confirmed to he simian until only recently.
In fact, he still isn't confirmed, there's just more evidence for it.
royal spear
oh hmmm i thought even before this update everyone believed he was monkey type
limpid agate
also why would blizzard go out of their way to edit a map if they aren't releasing a character related to it
Ask the Queen of Junkertown
Hamid Faisal
Hammond isnt the first to get in map hints and not become a hero
Sombra took a year
Doomfist took two
royal spear
oh hmmm, didn't know that
iron plume
I don't think DF counts for that
limpid agate
Doomfist was given hero concept art
royal spear
doomfist got hints? i thought it was the numbani museum
iron plume
since the "hint" wasn't a hint at the time
iron plume
they weren't making him at that point though
valid shell
Groundwork?
royal spear
i feel like they are running out of nationalities to make the characters. but we can still get a spaniard
valid shell
Wuh.
valid shell
Running out of nationalities?
royal spear
yes there is almost none left
valid shell
What.
limpid agate
@royal spear lol no
royal spear
i guess a native american
valid shell
Are you okay?
iron plume
Teaser would be towards a hero they're actually planning to release though
they weren't at the time for DF
valid shell
Are you well?
limpid agate
Im gonna run through 10 off the top of my head
And Ill ignore the ones that have maps but no hero
valid shell
Most if the world hasn't even been touched.
royal spear
we dont have greek or middle eastern
royal spear
oh yeah egypt
valid shell
SE Asian yeah.
limpid agate
Portugal
Spain
Isreal
Canada
Chile
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Scotland
South Africa
Nigeria
There's 10
royal spear
we got all the major nationalities is what i meant
limpid agate
Wait where Doomfist from
iron plume
Nigeria
limpid agate
Genuinely forgot
valid shell
Th fuck does that mean.
royal spear
Chad
valid shell
Major nationalities.
limpid agate
Okay, repalce Nigeria with Morocco, Chad, Kenya, Algeria
royal spear
jk idk where
valid shell
Do you mean we have black guy and white guy?
iron plume
five european countries, US, Japan and China
royal spear
like the ones that are easily recognizable
valid shell
Heck no, homie.
royal spear
whatever just forget i ever brought it up
limpid agate
Here, Ill look at a list of the 23 most powerful countries in the world according to the US
Israel
Saudi
UAE
Iran
Turkey
Italy
Qatar
Netherlands
Spain
Singapore
Norway
Denmark
Sotuh Africa
Austria
Okay, top 30
Theres a large number of countries
royal spear
besides we should be getting a new hero this next month (since doomfist was released around this time last year)
limpid agate
And if you want nationalities that have maps and not heroes
Iraq, Italy, Greece, Thailand, Jordan
iron plume
that's pretty well known and stable, unlike maps
limpid agate
Also I forgot Canada which was #12.
worthy rose
who do you think the next hero will be 🤔
valid shell
Ty
royal spear
uh yeah i was just trying to think of major nationalities still left uncovered
iron plume
aw
royal spear
hog is still from australia
valid shell
@worthy rose Hammond. Hamid Faisal. Maximilien. Sanjay Korpal.
limpid agate
Theyre number 35
royal spear
he is with junkrat remember
worthy rose
@valid shell
valid shell
Good talk.
limpid agate
@worthy rose Those are the expectations
valid shell
Really exercising your higher thinking.
royal spear
Hamid Faisal who is that
royal spear
is he the greek character
limpid agate
Who are worth considering
iron plume
Oasis archaeologist
peak escarp
Emre is just a name
iron plume
there's hints to him on Petra
royal spear
Emre is from turkey
limpid agate
He is one of the archeologists in Petra
peak escarp
At least the others have some lore to them
royal spear
The amazing thing about blizzard release character is we've never guessed it right before
we all thought we figured it out from map hints, but we never got it right before
valid shell
@royal spear We don't know where Emre is from.
peak escarp
Never? Not even Sombra?
iron plume
Sombra was absolutely clear
valid shell
@royal spear also what
iron plume
So was Doomfist after Orisa
royal spear
moira, no one guessed it. doomfist no one can guess it
valid shell
80% of us called Brigitte.
royal spear
brigitte no one can guess it
iron plume
Moira was never suggested
valid shell
Dude.
iron plume
because there was a grand total of one shady picture of her
royal spear
no one can guess brigitte until jeff released the images
valid shell
Where do you get your factoids.
peak escarp
I've been calling Brigitte as a hero since her appearance in Dragon Slayer
valid shell
People were calling Doomfist since launch.
royal spear
yeah but we never knew when
royal spear
so we know that maximillian will be a hero
iron plume
it was never going to be anyone else
royal spear
but we dont know when he'll get it
valid shell
You do NOT visit here often, do you.
limpid agate
I stepped out for a minute
royal spear
all im trying to say is blizzard always uses "red herrings"
limpid agate
What did this devolve into
royal spear
they throw us off their trail and we're left surprised time and time again
valid shell
No.
limpid agate
I scrolled up and read, and I still cant figure it out
iron plume
maybe you are
valid shell
Blizzard is transparent af.
royal spear
when they released the images of "white dome"
iron plume
People who actually pay attention aren't
limpid agate
@royal spear There are surprises, but every surprise was predictable
There is no unpredictable hero so far
limpid agate
There were people here talking about "Joker" and "Widowmakermaker"
Joker being Moira
WIdowmakermaker being a hypothetical Talon Scientists that did stuff like Widow and/or Reaper
iron plume
Moira wasn't called out by name, because she didn't have any
royal spear
or guess brigitte? she didn't take part in overwatch
iron plume
but her archetype was nailed
valid shell
We all guessed evil talon healer with vampiric core healer abilities.
limpid agate
Binge was saying Brig since Honour and Glory
valid shell
Dude.
iron plume
Brigitte had a massively explicit hint after White Dome
valid shell
Thank you Jew.
royal spear
was widowmakermaker a map hint
limpid agate
Well... Number 4
But it was in category 2
Since 1 was Moira Origins Talon Hero with 3 candidates
And next in line was Brigitte
royal spear
i thought white dome was supposed to be a hint for the omnic that injured torb
valid shell
What.
limpid agate
lol
royal spear
there was a omnic that severely injured torbjorn
valid shell
What ohnickel/stylosa screamlord video gave you that idea.
limpid agate
@royal spear Widowmakermaker was not a map hint
royal spear
or emre saroglu
limpid agate
It was a hypothetical Talon Scientist someone here came up with
And was responsible for Widow and/or Reaper
royal spear
okay what i mean isnt just 1 person predict it
since given enough fans someone will guess it
royal spear
i mean that there is consensus that the next hero is that
limpid agate
There was no hero that came from literally no where, they were all predictable
I was saying Numbani that might not be Doomfist when we got Orisa long before Anchora
royal spear
Isnt anchora the official name of orisa
valid shell
No.
limpid agate
The only time I was straight up wrong was Moira, because I limited myself to looking at just Origin shorts for hero teasers.
And even then
royal spear
since shes the anchor tank
limpid agate
THere were people here saying Joker and Widowmakermaker
Im gonna look up who said that
royal spear
whats joker, is moira having a partner
valid shell
She looked like the Joker in her Masquerade tease.
limpid agate
Moira is Joker
royal spear
ooh
limpid agate
limpid agate
Here you go
valid shell
We obviously didn't have her name, but I know we were theorizing that 'Joker' looking silhouette might be the Widowmakermaker.
royal spear
damn thats actually pretty amazing
valid shell
So, yeah.
limpid agate
Talon Scientist from Oasis. Cold and calculating type.
iron plume
and that she'd also be the vampire healer that people have been asking for
valid shell
Blizzard is NOT as sneaky as you project them to be.
limpid agate
Vamp Healer was part of their same prediction I think
royal spear
yeah i guess i just didnt predict it because i rarely check this channel :p
valid shell
Holla.
limpid agate
Every hero is predictable
limpid agate
No. There are a lot of options
iron plume
And the image was a bit crazier than moira's final look really
limpid agate
No less than 5
royal spear
and no one can guess it
iron plume
we've always had multiple candidates
limpid agate
And everyone has their number 1 of those 5
iron plume
and it ended up being one of them
valid shell
To be fair, this one is tough.
royal spear
i think hammond because there is the most lore related material about him
valid shell
Before now, we've had a concise gameplay niche that the game has been lacking until now.
royal spear
blizzard likes to mix in back story until they add the character
limpid agate
Im gonna roll on the Jetpack Hammond I've been relying on since Brigitte was revealed
valid shell
This bracket isn't for lore-heavy heroes, though.
limpid agate
But Hamid has good odds for number 2
royal spear
like how they gave brigitte appearance in honor and glory
valid shell
NEXT bracket is more likely for Hammond.
Since that's when we got Sombra/Doomfist/Brigitte.
royal spear
whats bracket
limpid agate
Lore/Gameplay/Lore/Gameplay/Lore
Ana is the exception since she was the first to everything
And came out just after the game
royal spear
oooh didnt know they had these rules
valid shell
Ana doesn't fit, but every hero since has followed that pattern.
limpid agate
They dont have rules
valid shell
It isn't really a rule.
limpid agate
Its patterns Blizzard follows
valid shell
Just something we've noticed.
royal spear
dont u think ur interpreting patterns when they arent really there
valid shell
They're there, dawg.
royal spear
might be small sampling
besides brigitte is gameplay too
since she is really meta pick
limpid agate
Thats not what that means
They design heroes from 3 places
Art
Gameplay
Lore
Sombra was a character they had
Orisa was they wanted an anchor tank that looked really different
Doomfist was HAHAHAHA
Moira was evil lifesteal healer
Brigitte is kind of in the middle, but closer to lore
valid shell
Sombra was lore. Orisa was gameplay. Doomfist was lore. Moira was gameplay. And now Brigitte is lore.
limpid agate
Since her being a hybrid tank/healer is cool and all
But her kit is like
Reinhardt + Torb
Put into one
Because the three have always been linked together
And theyve been pushing her as a character since Uprising
valid shell
So, looking at the pattern, next hero will be like Orisa/Moira: One who fills a gameplay niche who's been teased only vaguely in this four month period.
Not likely Hammond.
royal spear
yeah, im interested to revisit this when the next hero comes out
valid shell
Though he's a candidate for 29.
(I also really dislike Hammond.)
(So I might be biased.)
royal spear
my heart tells me its gonna be hammond but i want maximillian
somehow evil zenyatta seems so interesting to me
valid shell
Maximilien is my top choice.
limpid agate
I dont like Hammond
valid shell
I have a whole lame-ass fanfiction bullshit kit for Max.
limpid agate
But he's who I've been expecting since before Horizon was updated
valid shell
His name is ugly and I don't want another monkey.
Humans, robots, and monkeys is just a cringey roster. Winston was fine because he's unique.
(At the time, at least.)
royal spear
this is may31
valid shell
@prisma wren Please don't post leaks.
limpid agate
Please don't post fake leaks.
We know this one is fake because it said June6
The most hilarious part of the fake leak is
It says there another map based in the Horizon Lunar Colony
But its not an arcade map
Its a second fuckin 2cp map
This is also from 2017
Which I noticed upon reading the end of it
Where it said Mei's origin was pushed back
So we know its even more fake, because nothing it said was coming was true except for the HLC map. Which was what was teased on the day that fake leak was made
So
It even got the map description wrong
Just gonna delete the link and move on
valid shell
Good call.
prisma wren
ok
worthy rose
brigitte totally fits the description of "paladin" class
golden urchin
actually binge
brigitte isn't lore, she's gameplay.
she was created a hero to prevent dive
so hammond being a hero could be lore
peak escarp
Brigitte is both
they were designing a gameplay hero with a shield who could heal, then they turned it into Brigitte to make use of a character they already had
golden urchin
the original concept was for gameplay though
sharp lintel
wasn't brigg also explicitly designed to counter dive?
quasi schooner
Hybrid?
Maybe they wanted us to be tripped up by this and it will be something completely random
Also when this session was loading I got “entering hanamura” Xd
ebon wadi
intense lore
worthy rose
I have some concerns about Hammond. So supposedly he is a specimen like Winston who escaped from the program and apperantly went missing. I'm not being harsh with the writers, I understand how hard it is to create a new character, it's bright and clear. However, I can't stand the thought that we are having ANOTHER gorilla to the addition. Winston had decent character development and his role in the story is important. It just feels wrong to me to do the same with Hammond.
fringe pewter
It's not a gorilla
worthy rose
Sorry, my apologies, I meant, IF we are having.
worthy rose
But I still don't want this to happen.
I have to go to a voice channel, so I'm leaving this chat.
regal coyote
it is 10000% sure not a gorilla
though there can be future evil gorilla on the moon that would be playable eventually
that said, it makes sense that on a evil organization lead by a bald smart guy, a gorilla would be a fine addition.
Brig is both, for sure part of it is lore, you can see th build up
her art design goes from sketchy simple do more and mroe detail, you can see the evolution, from dragon to christmas is a big change already, to the sexy one in honor and glory
pearl portal
it's a monkey
drowsy furnace
No it’s an giraffe
pure kernel
^
pearl portal
so is jetpack cat canon
dire timber
@limpid agate to be fair, Moira in Masquarade looks a lot different from how Moira ended up actually looking
like, that face and hair...
regal coyote
nah it is pretty close ... compare to dragon brig, and honor glory brig
that goes from 4/10 to 8/10 srsly
dire timber
but yeah, "Widowmakermaker, an Oasis scientist" and "Talon healer with vampiric gameplay mechanics" have both been concepts that we've had for quite a while, even if not always mashed together
I don't think we've made any connections to Reaper though
regal coyote
also there was "hero with a pet attacker" that is not happening et
valid shell
I still want a K9 police officer with his dead dog's consciousness preserved and uploaded into a robot.
@calm steppe ?
Are you drunk?
<@&397922982632226816>
floral herald
@calm steppe this is for lore-discussion, don't use it for anything else.
ebon wadi
Just stop.
calm steppe
@ebon wadi No
terse oak
Shitposting will result in loss of access
Enjoy the muted channel
Moving swiftly onwards
ebon wadi
Jewvia would be proud.
regal coyote
@valid shell So Basically RoboCop then... or RoboDogCop
actually a nice idea though.
Maybe a glitchy cyborg detective with extendable limbs and a somewhat fucked up mental state, and a smart robot dog helping him along the side? makies sense too.
Maybe add a lolit helper in the background as unplayable character? would work well with efi on the sideline
like a loli relative with twin ponytails.
Also talon can make do with a villian boss with a white cat.
terse oak
This was a very elaborate way of detailing the characters of Inspector Gadget
valid shell
Nooo. Nope. Not what I was suggesting at all.
limpid agate
@pearl portal Jetpack cat is not canon.
What is canon is
Brigitte made blueprints for a cat jetpack
She had lots of cats
And she may have built the jetpack
But the fact that a cat wore one into combat, if at all, is not canon
pearl portal
ok thanks for answering
pearl portal
Hammond is a monkey i believe?
limpid agate
And even if he is a chimp
Jetpack Cat had many concepts prior to being a cat
Of being a lizard, a chimp, etc
The concept could just be translated back to Jetpack Chimp
And make it Hammond
valid shell
Regarding Jetpack Hammond, he's already copied Winston at least once, and Winston has a jetpack of sorts.
limpid agate
^
It was also popular to give Jetpack Cat a weapon like a flame thrower back then.
Which is not unlike Winston's weapon of choice either
pearl portal
a flame throwing chimp does not sound nice
limpid agate
No, youre right
That sounds like the most annoying concept conceivable
Its probably not going to be that
valid shell
What suggests that?
reef river
i'd be happy with a spear if only so we don't get yet another character with tick damage who is thrashed by armor
@white cobalt yeah early July https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/20877886
worthy rose
Does the new room confirm that hammond is a chimp?
reef river
I don't think so, but it is smaller than Winston's room and I believe there's something that indicates the facility is specifically for testing simians
fervent thistle
Heyo
valid shell
@fervent thistle Yes?
valid shell
?
Anyways. @worthy rose Confirm, no, but there's chimp footprints on the door, and the little cage has banana peels and carrots.
ruby smelt
Aren't the footprints on the door from Winston? They're on the outside, and they lead to Winston's room
Or rather, they start at Winston's room and lead to Hammond door
compact gyro
like tbh they missed an opportunity by making Winston test subject #28 instead of Hammond
since it could have led to a mini arg
valid shell
Winston is #28.
peak escarp
I think they meant that if Hammond were #28 instead of Winston, it would have been a nice setup for him to be revealed as a hero
worthy rose
Hammond is #8 isnt he?
limpid agate
Yes
peak escarp
iirc, a lot of the Sombra stuff involved a 23-cypher, playing on Sombra being hero 23
limpid agate
They were talking in hypothetical
We have Hammond as 8 and Winston as 28
But if it was reversed
That would be a nice teaser for Hammond being 28
worthy rose
What do you think the reason is for that order anyway?
limpid agate
They wernt planning on making Hammond hero 28
Last year, when they were working on 25 and 26
worthy rose
What decided if someone is specimen 1 or specimen 5
peak escarp
I think the specimen numbers were arbirtary
limpid agate
Birth?
worthy rose
So hammond is older?
valid shell
I doubt it works like that.
peak escarp
they don't have specimens for every number, so maybe not every specimen was chosen for the study, or they didn't all survive to maturity?
valid shell
The numbers are more likely the different strains of genetic experimentation.
That's how it usually works with lab rats.
dire timber
it's like how people look at Jack being Soldier: 76 and Reyes being Soldier: 24 and go with "does that mean there's a 100 soldiers ??"
like, come on
we don't even know if there's more than two
worthy rose
Well there must be atleast 76 subjects for that
iron plume
well for that it's more explicable
dire timber
no, there's doesn't
iron plume
since there may well have been and died in OC
dire timber
we don't know if there's more than two
peak escarp
that's assuming they used every number
dire timber
the numbers might be assigned randomly
limpid agate
Seal Team 6
worthy rose
Why would they go from 24 to 76 then?
limpid agate
There are not Seal Team 1-5
peak escarp
but like the specimens, the SEP might not have used every number
dire timber
^
valid shell
It might just be the last two digits on their dog tag serials.
dire timber
people would be now insisting that there's 28 specimens on Horizon
valid shell
And completely meaningless.
Like how Men In Black are Agent [Letter], which is the first letter of their last name.
peak escarp
Soldier 24's dog tag serial is 06 000000 24
last inlet
76 was only because of that guy's creation prior to Overwatch
valid shell
Just because there's an Agent K, doesn't mean there's only 26 Agents.
worthy rose
Im gonna take the safe bet and say that there are atleast 28 specimens
I get the soldier thing
limpid agate
Thats the risky bet
dire timber
but that's wrong
peak escarp
I don't remember if the dog tags on Night Ops are clear enough to read
worthy rose
But the specimen thing i dont
last inlet
we only see a list of 12, right
limpid agate
9*
last inlet
9, okay
dire timber
last inlet
so
valid shell
Again, the numbers might just be the serum strains. They might have tested thousands of different samples in sterile labs and test tubes, and only a few made it to the practical phase, and Winston/Hammond were numbered accordingly.
worthy rose
I seriously dont get these numbers
last inlet
are there 7 specimens just hanging out it Horizon?
valid shell
All the specimens stayed on Horizon except Winson in his pod, and Hammond grappled to it.
limpid agate
Where are the other specimens? It could be that:
A - They never existed, numbers were chosen arbitrarily
B - They existed but didnt survive early stages
C - What Binge said
D - Any other suggestions
last inlet
marked on the map?
valid shell
The station has hydroponics and apparently grows bananas and carrots, so likely still alive up there.
limpid agate
The 7 on the colony are on the map
worthy rose
Arent scientists also shown on that map?
valid shell
If you mean where are they on the HLC map, obviously they're not going to be wandering around mid-game.
last inlet
locked in rooms
worthy rose
I just mean that they killed all the scientists, how can they survive? Where do they get resources from?
last inlet
I imagine the trackers are embedded in skin. Not that we'd know, ofv
limpid agate
They grow their own resources
With Hydroponics
Theyre not exactly your run of the mill apes
Theyre intelligent
Winston is just exceptionally brilliant since hes a scientist
peak escarp
he was also mentored by one of the Horizon scientists
we don't know if any of the other specimens had that sort of relationship with any of the scientists
valid shell
The moon base is also a lot larger than we think, so even if there is entropy when they're growing and eating and excreting and regrowing their food, there's probably supplies all over the colony.
worthy rose
If they killed them all, probs not?
I kinda wanna see what actually happened at that moment, like what was winston doing while everyone was getting killed?
valid shell
I doubt we'll ever get to see the mass execution.
last inlet
grisly
valid shell
Considering the cut-away before Soldier/Sombra iced their respective enemies in their shorts.
peak escarp
being ejected out of an airlock is a little more PG than getting gunned down
last inlet
only slightly
they're not gonna show scientists just floating lifelessly or something
iron plume
being airlock’d is also a breeding ground for all the “not really dead” theories
peak escarp
I think if they tell that story, the scientists' deaths will happen off screen and we'll just see Winston's reaction to it
valid shell
Or them icing over as their eyeball blood vessels burst and they suffocate like in Guardians of the Galaxy.
last inlet
or the other movie
dire timber
oof
valid shell
Sorry, asphyxiate*.
last inlet
dying is harsh
peak escarp
it's like the Genji/Hanzo fight, or what happened to Amelié when she got kidnapped the first time
they can talk about it, but they probably won't show it
to keep the Teen rating
valid shell
They also don't need to show it.
People bitched about Honor & Glory and Rise & Shine for showing us shit we already knew.
I don't need to see tasteful camera cuts as Amelie stabs her husband, I just want it summed up in a blogpost.
peak escarp
I liked seeing the details of what happened, even if we already knew what happened
plus some of the details we were shown are different from the story we knew
we didn't know that Balderich was Overwatch's first choice
we didn't know that Mei only woke from cryosleep because of Winston's recall message
peak escarp
I'd like to see (and this is what I was hoping the new details on Anubis were pointing to) current-day Pharah reuniting with Ana, questioning her about turning her back on Overwatch, and Ana finally giving Pharah her blessing to join the new Overwatch
with a possible appearance by Soldier trying to not blow his cover and failing
worthy rose
Who else thinks hero 28 is Hammond or maximilian?
valid shell
That's exactly what we've been discussing all day.
Moreso Hammond, though Maximilien has my vote.
peak escarp
I'd rather see Max be a hero, although I can't guess at what his kit/niche might be
limpid agate
Hamid is also a nice contender
Albeit kind of a late entrant
Id definitely expect Hamid in the future, but 28 feels early
white cobalt
Hamid? What I'm missing?
cunning ledge
Petra guy
His name is all over the place
He's a (probably) Oasis scientist related to the digs in Ilios, Petra, and [thailand map I can't spell]
Ayutthaya
That's the one
dire timber
when's Blizzcon? or Gamescon? or whatever it was that gave us animated shorts?
valid shell
@white cobalt A lot, apparently.
white cobalt
Oof, yeah i missed the discussion about that, but oh well another name to add to the list.
cunning ledge
I have a post with the images of his name on the map
Or you could watch a hammeh video or something probably
white cobalt
Oh nice, thanks!
runic scroll
i wonder if anyone completely understands what happened to reaper
worthy rose
Moira scienced him too hard
runic scroll
i feel like reaper doesn't really know what happened other than he got scienced too hard
i wonder if even moira understands lol
limpid agate
Reaper knows
worthy rose
Almost as if Wraith was a prototype for Fade 
limpid agate
Reaper hired Moira so she could take a look at his genetics for him.
He knows she has a hand in his condition
runic scroll
yeah i'm sure he knows that
i'm talking about exactly what made him be like that
other than "something that moira did went "wrong" during the fall of overwatch"
worthy rose
He has it made whether he realizes it or not
If his cells are constantly dying and regenerating he’s p much immortal imo
That also means Moira cured/dealt with the inherently cancerous nature of “immortal” cells
runic scroll
i mean, our cells are constantly dying and "regenerating"
although i know what you're saying lol
worthy rose
Ye sorry that wasn’t particularly specific lol
runic scroll
maybe reaper actually doesn't have perfectly immortal cells
which contributes to whatever his appearance that surprised ana so much
peak escarp
I don't think anyone knows exactly what happened to him
runic scroll
too bad we'll never know what reaper actually looks like
peak escarp
Reaper knows what he experienced, but probably doesn't know the science behind it