lore-discussion

[cunning ledge]

which I suppose is fair

[dire timber]

he was only shown yeah, but it's not explicitly confirmed - I think it's more likely that he simply got spares on his person

[cunning ledge]

I just

he can generate his body, clothes, etc

why is that so different

[dire timber]

it's not that he can "generate" them, it's more than they turn into smoke and back along with him

I think the idea of his very being pooping out guns constantly is a bit... unfeasible

[cunning ledge]

the only time he's literally shown dropping them and getting more from [hammerspace] like in game is the cinematic trailer

iirc

so that's not the most solid evidence

but if you believe the canon stuff about him turning into smoke and back

it shouldn't be that hard to also think that he can create guns

uh

hmm

[dire timber]

it's a bizarre idea

a smoke fueled gun factory??

what?

[cunning ledge]

almost as bizzare as someone turning into smoke and back

[worthy rose]

i know sprays aren't canon but reaps have a spray showing spare guns in his coat

[dire timber]

just because something can enter a transitionary smoke-like state, and then return to s a firm state

[cunning ledge]

@worthy rose it's a resident evil reference

[dire timber]

and yes, what @worthy rose said

it's a reference, sure

much like Winston's very existence is a reference to Planet of the Apes

just cause it's a reference doesn't mean that it's not actually the case within Overwatch

[cunning ledge]

consider this

how is making his entire body, guns included, into smoke and back any different from being able to make smoke into guns on the spot

I appreciate your argument anyhow

[dire timber]

because in that case, why not just put Reaper on an conveyor belt, and make him poop a bunch of guns? why would his body even possess the ability to produce such matter?

[cunning ledge]

it's a bit of a confusing topic since it was obviously mostly designed to look cool

[dire timber]

it's ridiculous

[cunning ledge]

but I'm glad someone else bothers to put thought into it

you still haven't said why it's different

like I asked

are you saying he only has one set of guns?

and that it's always that set that he un- and reforms?

[dire timber]

no, my idea is that he has a number of spares of his person

still, if it was like you're saying, that he's "smoke-forming" them in

I'd only accept the idea of him "recycling" the matter of the guns he throws away - the guns would then turn to smoke and return to him

and, at the very least, he'd keep fresh ammo on his person - because ammo, once spent, can't be re-created

[cunning ledge]

that seems

reasonable

[dire timber]

(sorry for the pings, wrong copy-paste)

[cunning ledge]

I just like my idea more because 1. He can make his unstable matter smoke particles into anything and he only uses it for guns, 2. Whenever he leaves his guns behind somewhere (Like in Infiltration) he's literally being wasteful and leaving parts of himself behind, and 3. He needs to kill people to scavenge "life force"/genetic material/whatever to fuel not only his powers but his very existance

wow that was a paragraph

[dire timber]

what does the artbook have to say on this?

[cunning ledge]

i'll have a look

not much in source book

would check art book but I have to go now

ok art book checked

heckin nothing

the only info from the source book is the draining corpses/cellular degredation thing

which I'm pretty sure is just ported from his bio

also says that hellfire shotguns are cumbersome to reload

which is a funni mem probably

[worthy rose]

If you look at reaps' spine it looks like it has some sort of prosthetics embedded in it

or it's just his coat's design

[cunning ledge]

pretty sure that's just aesthetic

[regal coyote]

no his spine not a gun

[cunning ledge]

@regal coyote what?

[severe oxide]

where do you reckon this year's Overwatch Summer Games are gonna take place?

Russia?

[cunning ledge]

hmm, what's a country with lore relevance that doesn't have a map?

I'm betting it's like that

good question though

[severe oxide]

I said Russia because that's where the world cup is held this year

[cunning ledge]

yeah

but I don't think any of the either ones were connected to real life

[severe oxide]

brazil was

[cunning ledge]

although I suppose the others didn't coincide

oh wait it was 2016 wasn't it

you have a good point then

[severe oxide]

yep

this year they had winter olympics in Korea, though I'm not sure they would waste Korea as a location on an arcade map

[cunning ledge]

I just think that with the impression of Russia given by the map (literal war factory), hero (soldier with prejudice), and general outlook (in the middle of a war) it would be a bit odd to have a happy fun football match

[regal coyote]

well if they put it in korea they can make more money since koreans die without blizzard.

but yeah both places need map.

[cunning ledge]

I'd want something slightly random like Ireland and the pitch is in the middle of a field

[regal coyote]

well technically, even though non - canon af there is a map on russia just not an overwatch map

[cunning ledge]

Or maybe even Germany to show how it currently looks

[regal coyote]

too many germany maps though

[severe oxide]

yeah but that's exactly my point on korea, they'd probably rather put a proper map in korea

[regal coyote]

already have 2

[cunning ledge]

What's the city in the background of Eichenwalde? Stuttgart, right?

[severe oxide]

like one that gets played in OWL

[regal coyote]

think if anything korea will get full map in future

[severe oxide]

exactly

[regal coyote]

would hope for sake of story we get a hero in e3 around that, and a new summer game map, probably another game other than lucioball

[cunning ledge]

Blizzard doesn't do E3

So don't hold your breath

I am expecting a new summer game mode though

(Doomfist volleyball please)

[regal coyote]

they dont do e3

but would release stuff around that

time to release lore and heroes anyways

and that would be a month or so after e3

[cunning ledge]

ok actually

my final guess is Sweden

[regal coyote]

was hoping for africa

[timid lantern]

But they already have Numbani

[severe oxide]

and anubis

two whole maps for the continent of africa

[severe hornet]

A jungle map would be cool

[charred pasture]

yea most likely due to that being tachankas home country

[peak escarp]

Who?

[swift vortex]

Africa by toto

I like the idea of Africa

[dire timber]

@cunning ledge I somewhat wish that the impression given by the UK wasn't so grim

Tracer is basically the only notable exception

[cunning ledge]

same tbh

[dire timber]

Junkertown and Russia have some flavor

[cunning ledge]

I mean I guess there's Alive and Uprising

[dire timber]

UK is just... "omnics are miserable here"

... that makes me wonder

how does UK and Russia handle omnic tourists from Numbani?

I imagine Russia would have an outright ban in place

while UK would have some registration in place

still, hmn

UK government did allow for that Mondatta statue, I guess

... while forcing the omnic population to live underneath a power station

[worthy rose]

isnt numbani in africa

[valid shell]

@worthy rose Yes.

Anubis too.

And Necropolis.

That's 3 African maps.

[worn oracle]

i love how in oasis u can see a tower being built

[cunning ledge]

Fun fact one of the maps (I think University) is inside the tower

[worn oracle]

i love oasis in general

Oh shit is it?

update maybe?

it's said to be part of a data collection thing

[cunning ledge]

Yeah it's in the base of the tower

It also has a name starting with H but I can't remember it exactly

[worn oracle]

it doesn't say

[cunning ledge]

Yes it does

Let me find it

Wait no am I being a fool

Possibly I'm remembering something that isn't actually canon lore

Ah I was thinking of the gardens

Whoops

"1. TOP SIGHT! Take a stroll through the Abu Hassoun Gardens, a public space maintained and designed by the Ministry of Biology."

I wonder if Al-Hamdan will appear again

[worn oracle]

maybe

i love oasis in general

i forgot about the minority report bit

"Travel without fear. Since its founding, Oasis has been consistently ranked as one of the safest cities in the world thanks to its cutting edge implementation of predictive surveillance and crime modeling."

it's such a good cyberprep/cyberpunk map

which are my two fav things

[cunning ledge]

I'm still heckin angry they put hover omnics in rialto

[worn oracle]

so my bet is the tower is where they're gonna put the massive servers and stuff needed for the minority report stuff

why?

i'm not deep into lore yet

are they like oasis specific?

[cunning ledge]

Because I loved the idea of them being a horrific abomination of science made by some mad engineer who uses actual sentient robots as test subjects

Like

Let's cut their legs off for efficiency

[worn oracle]

oh yeah that's true

[cunning ledge]

And then make them work in the restaurant

[worn oracle]

i didn't even think of it like that

i just thought they were a new model or soemthing

also the numbani fashion week poster is super cool to me

[cunning ledge]

Well that's just a theory

[worn oracle]

i'd kill for a fashion week event

i want my cyberprep couture

@cunning ledge oh, the big tower can be seen from either city center or university

[cunning ledge]

Yeah

[worn oracle]

update it's city center

the one with the bounce house

[cunning ledge]

It's at the end of the road in city center

[worn oracle]

i am not very observant

[dire timber]

@cunning ledge I mean, it's not exactly a "horrific abomination"

just different hardware

[proper fjord]

Symmetra is The best girl

Adios

[charred pasture]

whos your guys favourite r6 lore

mine is mine is thermites

[peak escarp]

Who?

[limpid agate]

@charred pasture Serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch.

[charred pasture]

ah i see

wrong group

i meant to put it in the rainbow six siege group

cause i main thermite

THERMITE

[limpid agate]

Final warning

[limpid agate]

@misty siren What did I just say

Literally the most recent conversation in this channel

[misty siren]

oh

sorry

man

didnt read chat

ill stop

[haughty marsh]

lads think i might have a lead on hero 29

[peak escarp]

do tell

[limpid agate]

On 29? Alright. What s it @haughty marsh

A note that 29 is the hero after next

Not the next

[dire timber]

28 will be Hamid Faisal

[cunning ledge]

^

[golden urchin]

honestly if hamid Faisal was hero 28 that would actually link 3 maps to one hero

as we know it every hero is linked to a map

[iron plume]

far from every, as of now

[golden urchin]

like ana/pharah being linked to Anubis and orisa being linked from numbani

and if hamid was hero 28 he would link Petra, illios and auythuya

Because all of those places have the archeologists logo thing from petra

[cunning ledge]

what map is soldier: 76 linked to?

[iron plume]

Dorado, kinda

[cunning ledge]

eeeeh

so if I said Lucio you'd just say the lucioball one

heck

[iron plume]

yeah it's a stretch
either way not all heroes even have that

[cunning ledge]

D.Va

there

[iron plume]

Mercy, Reaper

both Lindholms, Symmetra

meanwhile Winston gets two

[chrome forge]

we need a Korean map with lore for D.Va

[golden urchin]

i didn’t say every hero is linked to a map

[chrome forge]

now that would be awesome

[golden urchin]

i said every map is linked to a hero

oh man i did say every hero was linked to a map

mb

i meant it the other way around

[valid shell]

@cunning ledge D.Va = Hollywood, kinda.

[cunning ledge]

The one voice line and the poster?

I guess

Mercy or either Lindholm was a better example anyway

[valid shell]

I feel like Gibraltar applies to any ex-Overwatch.

[cunning ledge]

Brigitte specifically then

(And then you say Eichenwalde?)

[dire timber]

@valid shell dunno if it does

it's a very Overwatch-y place

but do we really know if any heroes besides Winston and Tracer was there for sure?

[valid shell]

Genji.

Reinhardt.

[dire timber]

ah, what do they say?

[valid shell]

"Good for my tan."

"I could never appreciate it's beauty."

Etc.

Should be on their respective quotes pages.

[cunning ledge]

I want to say Ana too

https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/overwatch_gamepedia/1/1f/Ana_-_I_never_thought_I'd_see_this_place_again.wav

yeah

[valid shell]

And definitely Jack, since you'd think the Strike Commander visited each Watchpoint at least once.

[cunning ledge]

Seems reasonable

I feel like there's a quote that confirms that anyway

Oh yeah there's

"Lot of memories of this place. They weren't all bad."

[valid shell]

Yup.

So that's 3/5 of the Strike Team tied to Gibraltar.

[drowsy epoch]

Hey

[cunning ledge]

hello there

[regal coyote]

I think Pharah visited, which means Ana was there.

[regal coyote]

and Athena, playable or not she a character

[cunning ledge]

the discussion was on heroes

but yes

[pearl blade]

Question

Does Ganymede follow bastion around in the lore other than the cinematic?

[cunning ledge]

Yes

Ganymede is there in Binary

[pearl blade]

O ok

[cunning ledge]

Don't ask me how a bird followed Bastion when he walked along the bottom of an entire goddamn ocean

[pearl blade]

And do we know what city was in the bastion cinematic?

[cunning ledge]

But it did

[pearl blade]

Lmao

[cunning ledge]

The city at the end is Stuttgart

You can see it in the distance from Eichenwalde

Behind the attackers first spawn

[worthy rose]

What exactly was the null sector? Did an omnium create an extremist group or were they some modified civillian group?

[cunning ledge]

Civilian group, presumably

[lean silo]

Null Sector was omnics

rogue omnics

at least, that's what I gleaned from Uprising.

[golden urchin]

no im pretty sure someone created them and attacked kings row

i don't truly believe it was rogue omnics lmao

something was controlling them

[silver tree]

like wut

[tidal edge]

new lore: lucios gun is a gay spreader

[silver tree]

100% on board with that

[peak escarp]

no shitposting

we're told that Null Sector was a group of omnic extremists fighting for omnic rights

nobody made them to attack London - they're acting for the good of all omnics

[short scaffold]

@tidal edge no shitposting please

[limpid agate]

Even the detonators

And the slicers

Are omnics

Event hough they dont appear intelligent

And one of them

Literally exist

Just to blow themself up

Which is kinda fucked up, in a sense of things

But

It is still athing that exists

[dire timber]

@worthy rose @golden urchin they're sentient

an extremist group with a mission statement

anything about Null Sector being "created by an omnium" or "controlled" is honestly just unsubstantiated nonsense

[regal coyote]

Actually no.

Yes they are from an extremist group, but they are highly organized and militant.

This means there is at least some kind of command system, while it does not mean it is controlled by an omnium, it does mean the whole operation is controlled by a larger organization.

think of it as one terrorist attack operation out of a huge terrorist group.

So yeah there are other leaders out there still at large, at least after the uprising incident.

Also not all omnics in uprising are sentient

The slicers are at best robot dogs (though as we know it it is better to see humans getting killed than dogs, think John Wick)

The detonators may have even less AI than that, maybe just simple droneish programming to float into a target. honestly such actions require minimalist programming, and most likely not require an AI and any logical thinking. (in fact an Ai would be negative to the act, adding possibility of uncertainty)

So yeah there is more NS out there. not sure if they still exist as of nowadays overwatch but at least the single operation of overwatch people at uprising unlikely to shut down all of them.

[dire timber]

I'm of the oponion that Nulltroopers were fully sentient, like civilian omnics

[pearl blade]

Just outfitted with weapons

[dire timber]

that being said, Slicers were attack dogs, Detonators were just pre-programmed bombs, and Bastions were most likely simple warbots

[valid shell]

Gdi people still mixing up sentience and sapience.

[worthy rose]

Is there lore for soldier venom skin¿

[cunning ledge]

@worthy rose nah

the non lore event skins usually don't have any lore connection

[worthy rose]

Sad man, since it's the only one in its style

And it popped out of nowhere, lol

[nova elbow]

I still think the Conspiracy were connected to Null Sector
(and I don't think there's been anything yet to disprove my theory that the Conspiracy are Omnic extremists determined to take over the world)

[pearl blade]

Question

Is null sector in Sombras web?

[cunning ledge]

it is not

probably because null sector was a one off thing for the uprising event

[dire timber]

@valid shell sentience basically replaced sapience in everyday use

thank sci-fi for that

[valid shell]

Bleh.

Like 'irregardless'.

Or fucking 'prolly'.

[limpid agate]

Sentient means it has feelings

Sapient means it appears wise

[cunning ledge]

that's how I've always thought it

like they're seperate concepts

[valid shell]

They are.

[cunning ledge]

so then why can't you say that the nulltroopers or whatever are both?

[modern bluff]

How do you get to infamous trusted tag?

[runic scroll]

Hey so what exactly is the definition of an Omnic

Is it the AI, or AI + a body?

For example, Athena (so far) doesn’t have a dedicated body

[cunning ledge]

a robot built in an omnium

it's literally a brand name

not a definition or classification

[runic scroll]

So one could build a sentient machine and have the same capabilities as an omnic

But it could not be an omnic

[cunning ledge]

yes

[runic scroll]

Huh

Now, would you consider Orisa an omnic then?

She was originally built in an omnium I’d assume

But I think what makes Orisa Orisa was made by Efi

[dire timber]

@cunning ledge actually, "omnic" has became a broader term

for thinking robots

it was stated by Chu somewhere, iirc

[cunning ledge]

it has

but that's not the actual definition

[valid shell]

@runic scroll Orisa could still be called an Omnic, depending.

Since she's built from the remains of a robot that's based on an Omnic (the OR14).

[cunning ledge]

she definitely counts, yeah

in-game all the anti omnic kill lines trigger against her

[valid shell]

So if the OR15's were repurposed 14's, she definitely counts.

Yeah, Orisa's definitely considered an Omnic colloquially.

...You know, despite all the times we've discussed Orisa and Omnics, I've never pulled up her bio.

https://i.gyazo.com/6d05433e9c4ec3347a658292bb2d82cf.png

This actually clarifies things a bit.

[cunning ledge]

fun fact "Idina" means "barrier" in yoruba

[valid shell]

So the OR14's originated from Africa, before the Crisis, like the Bastion units being guardbots.

Still odd that the Germans didn't recognize them.

[valid hinge]

I just cured Widowmaker https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DetxxzLX4AAWQ4U.jpg

[peak escarp]

Why is she so pink?

[valid shell]

@valid hinge That's

Not really applicable to lore.

[cunning ledge]

#fanart maybe?

Nice edit though

[valid hinge]

shes not pink on my screen

It's just for a photoshop practice

[cunning ledge]

Not lore, sorry

[valid hinge]

I chose something I'd enjoy workin on

[cunning ledge]

Doesn't belong in this channel

[valid hinge]

sorry

[sullen crown]

wai thold up

mercys only 37

but

she somehow

did a phd

worked in a hospital

and worked for overwatch?

somebody help explain this to me

[peak escarp]

she was a child prodigy

she was in university by age 17

dreaming of being a doctor when she was only 14

[sullen crown]

oh

thanks

but

if she got an md and phd she would be in her early 40s

how does one breeze that quicc through that

eh nvm

[iron plume]

being a once in a generation talent helps

[sullen crown]

yeah

[runic scroll]

it's also possible that Switzerland has different programs from US

i've seen plenty of MD PhDs who are in their mid 30s in Korea

who are definitely bright people but nowhere near being once in a generation level genius

I wonder if Winston has a degree

[valid shell]

@runic scroll https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1800/1*LC7aI8BDnE960XlfYAbxHg.png

[runic scroll]

isn't that more Winston and Tracer passing the OW agent course

and being certified agents

is that actually Winston getting his degree?

[peak escarp]

that's what I thought it was

[runic scroll]

it says "certification of completion"

so I'm more convinced that it's a celebration of new agents being certified

also has a

OW logo in the background of the certificate

I wonder if Genji was also certified when Tracer and Winston were...

since he's wearing similar trainee clothes

[peak escarp]

it does kinda look that way

but don't forget, this image has been retconned

[runic scroll]

ffs

for real?

what was the reasoning behind that?

[peak escarp]

when they decided that Tracer became an active Overwatch agent only 7 years ago (with the events of Uprising), the picture became obsolete

Winston had already been a member of overwatch for at least 2 years by this point, and Genji was with Blackwatch (and looked different)

plus Ana should look a lot older

Jack should too

[runic scroll]

yeah i was about to ask that about genji

because the comic showed genji in blackwatch skin when tracer was being shown around

jfc blizz

they just make shit up and then retcon instead of consulting established lore and making new events fit

[valid shell]

Tracer wasn't being shown around.

She was the one sparring with Genji.

[limpid agate]

Pretty sure that picture has seen heavy retcon

Not just in the ages of Jack/Ana/Gabe

But also in Genji and Tracer

[zenith hill]

How old was tracer during Uprising anyhow? Mid-20s?

[limpid agate]

No

She is mid 20s now

She was 19

[teal galleon]

does she age? considering her time conditon

condition

[limpid agate]

Yes

Tracer ages

[regal coyote]

i would say due to her nature she would age a bit differently

but that is only when she activateds her ability

given that her time with her ability activated is limited relative to the days she spend unactivated, the difference is minimal]

like, even if she activates half an hour of ability per day, that is not even 10% of age difference

so we can ignore that on the effect of aging.

[limpid agate]

She ages

She is 26 years old

[regal coyote]

Agree.

26 years old is a number on ID, obviously it is not affected.

I was talking about the technical effect of her powers.

it would make a small difference but not significan enough to cause a huge difference

like, the relative speed and time that happens on her. if she superspeed through an area, to tracer she still needs to run the full distance, and not blink. In which case technically she did live and spend 3 minutes of her age running, rather than 3 seconds.

BUT BUT BUT since most of her life tracer is not blinking around the difference is minimal. a few minutes a day is nothing.

[limpid agate]

Youre putting more thought into this than Blizz

[regal coyote]

yes

but even then it would nto affect she is 26

maybe she is like 2 weeks older

now, technically speaking she can put herself in some kind of slowed down time to do some anti-aging on her end. but not sure it would help much

[limpid agate]

Technically speaking

Youre assuming Overwatch time travel

Obeys the laws of physics

[regal coyote]

she still needs her right amount of beauty sleep on her own timeline, and unconsistant statsis would fuck with her sleep schedulw too much it would be adverse to health

true i was assuming the time travel is just a time slow down/speed up.

not teleportation

if it is teleportation then it is different

then again fi it is teleportation it would not be a temporal/time problem but a location problem

QUESTION: what is the actuall effect of tracer's condition?

the time you see doomfish trashed her chrono she just teleports around in nearby location.

seem to defy gravity too

[limpid agate]

I think we will get a Russia map for Lucioball

Thanks to World Cup

I wonder if the background will have anything nice

Or if they'll just recycle St. Petersburg from Volskaya

[regal coyote]

or if they make the mechs and soldiers from hots official?

[thick aurora]

What if it was in Widowmakers lore to sit on my face? xD

[worthy rose]

Anyone remember that picture with Reaper and the family he was stalking?

I bet Reyes used to be the husband to the wife, and father to the son, until he “died” and she found someone else later on.

http://imgur.com/PBAGpT0

[valid shell]

@thick aurora Shitposting will result in loss of access.

[worthy rose]

NSFW.

[valid shell]

Also shitposting.

[worthy rose]

Mhm.

[valid shell]

@worthy rose And that's definitely possible.

[worthy rose]

Wait, what is “Also shitposting”, then?

I’m confused.

[thick aurora]

You two should both be doctors, you seem smart. 😃

[valid shell]

@worthy rose Matte.

[worthy rose]

Ah, okay. I thought you were saying that “shitposting” and “NSFW” were interchangeable.

[valid shell]

NSFW shit is usually shitposting.

[thick aurora]

And here my one sentence regarded as shitposting is completely eclipsed by your incessant spam in the lore channel about it, who is the evil one now? I'm just a victim.

[worthy rose]

It’s justified, Matte.

[thick aurora]

Take it to private chat fellas, keep the chat congruent to lore.

[valid shell]

<@&397922982632226816>

[worthy rose]

What you said up there wasn’t even lore, it was perverse.

[thick aurora]

Mmm, lets continue to linger on it in the wrong chat. Pm me about it.

[floral herald]

Yeah, so lets move on and talk about something else, that is sensible.

[valid shell]

Yes, less sad comments about Widowmaker from thirsty children.

[thick aurora]

<@&397922982632226816> He's attacking me in the wrong channel, please help!

[floral herald]

Lets just stop, i'm serious when I say move on.

[thick aurora]

Tell Binge, I had tabbed out until he made that unnecessary remark. 😦

[floral herald]

Its not directed to just you, I mean both of you.

[regal coyote]

Can we be back to lroe now.

Wel tekhartha chu confirms that the family Reaper is checking out in that christmas event is NOT a random family. Someone important to him then i suppose. unlikely he is working though

[open widget]

What if Mariachi Reaper creates Despacito 2? That’d be insane

[worthy rose]

no shitposting @open widget

[neon flint]

What alignment do you think Winston is I think he's chaotic neutral he might just kill a mf one day

[cunning ledge]

Winston probably doesn't have much of a problem killing people

Swinging that guy into a wall in Recall looked pretty brutal

And he went all out on Reaper with the Telsa Cannon, possibly not know it wouldn't kill him

And also obviously he fought with Overwatch for a decent period of time

[regal coyote]

winston is neutral or even neutral-good

he does have some idea of law and order or he would ahve done the recall and what not long time ago

he wants to make a positive difference and is surely on the good side

also killing someone trying to kill you is more like self defense, especially when they have guns and you dont

[cunning ledge]

I was just responding to "he might just kill a mf one day"

He probably already has

[nova elbow]

bearing in mind his backstory, it would make sense for him to be neutral

[regal coyote]

but by nature he is good. remember hit motto. that is basically motto of the neo overwatch

[worthy rose]

winston is a pretty chill character unless he's getting angered by something

[regal coyote]

but yeah his hulk mode is tuite stong

only debate is who is stronger, hulk mode wisnton, or reaper.

both beat each other

[valid shell]

wisnton

[regal coyote]

but remember reaper also did beat rage mode winston

so it is a tie in a way

[worthy rose]

I think genji and hanzo reveal so genji was his father or vice versa

[valid shell]

@worthy rose ?

Was who's father?

[worthy rose]

Hanzo s

[valid shell]

Start from the beginning.

You think Hanzo is Genji's father?

@worthy rose

[worthy rose]

No

I think that maybe genji is hanzos father

[valid shell]

What.

[worthy rose]

But idk

[valid shell]

Yes, you obviously don't know. 😂

Genji is younger than Hanzo.

[modern bluff]

@valid shell

reee

nvm

[worthy rose]

O

[modern bluff]

looked at old messages

[valid shell]

Also, they're brothers.

[worthy rose]

Nvm then don't get salty

[valid shell]

Also, their father is Sojiro Shimada.

I'm not salty.

[modern bluff]

They're lovers

Ffs

[valid shell]

I'm just making sure you know the facts.

[modern bluff]

Guys, according to fuckfiction.net they're lovers

[valid shell]

Shitposting will result in loss of access.

[modern bluff]

Shitposting?

I'm just stating facts as i know them

Wait

This is lore discussion

Im sorry

Did not see channel hahah

[valid shell]

Gotcha.

[modern bluff]

Thought i was in general

[valid shell]

It's all good.

[regal coyote]

one thing though, we dont know if the shimada are full brothers actually (ignore cyborg joke)

they can be half brothers

but yes for sure the same father.

[worthy rose]

well

maybe the story was made up

[peak escarp]

stories generally are made up

[cunning ledge]

"real life is not like the stories our father told us! you are a fool"

[valid shell]

Our father.

[worthy rose]

Quote from "Dragons"

[valid shell]

Featuring "Hanzo" and "Genji".

[peak escarp]

we aren't really given any reason to believe Genji and Hanzo don't have the same mother

their mother(s) aren't mentioned at all

[iron plume]

yep
Occam's razor, it's more likely that they're full brothers

[valid shell]

This is as bad as the theories that Brigitte is adopted because her parents are both blonde.

[worthy rose]

it's just a recessive gene

[iron plume]

that's kind of the problem

recessive gene means her parents both have two, which in turn makes a child not having it very unlikely

I'll take the odds on it being an oversight rather than a clue though

[peak escarp]

all her nieces/nephews are all either blonde/redhead too

so it's not exactly a surprise that she's redhead and her parents are blonde

[iron plume]

she's not redheaded though, her hair is dark

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/File:Christmas_with_the_Lindholms.png

in other art she's a redhead

[iron plume]

not... really? maybe auburn but not redhead-redhead

either way it's an oversight

[peak escarp]

red comes in a lot of shades

[iron plume]

if she is

[peak escarp]

not all of them are bright red

[iron plume]

well yeah

some of those shades appear when you have a dark hair gene though

[regal coyote]

something like that

[iron plume]

also like

[peak escarp]

she definitely has some red in her hair though

[regal coyote]

same goes with genji's unnatural hair color relative to bro, maybe just some anime thing

[peak escarp]

not all brown like some people say

I just assumed Genji dyed his hair

[iron plume]

I'd say it's auburn
which does require a dark hair gene

that said though

it's like theorycrafters forget that dye is a thing

[peak escarp]

because the Young Genji skin has black eyebrows

and his uprising spray has Genji as a child with black hair

plus Blackwatch

Zarya is a little stranger, since her eyebrows are black

but I think her Summer Games skins are supposed to represent her pre-dye hair colour, which is blonde (a common hair colour for Russian women)

[iron plume]

Blonde hair and darker eyebrows is a thing that happens

[peak escarp]

I forgot about that

[regal coyote]

that and hairdye should be a common thing

[peak escarp]

I'm surprised more of the heroes haven't dyed their hair

[iron plume]

how do you know they didn't

[peak escarp]

good point

it is harder to tell when it's a natural colour

[iron plume]

q:

is Widow's hair supposed to be dyed

or is that the same handwavium as her skin color

[maiden venture]

yes

[peak escarp]

hard to tell

I could see it being the same handwavium as her skin since hair is protein and blah blah blah

[iron plume]

well let's actually see
of the 27 heroes:
3 are robots
2 have their head top covered (Genji, Reaper)
4 (Soldier, Ana, Rein, Roadhog) are grey because that's how you show people are old

and of the other 18 you have 3 with just the unnatural colors

so it's not that few

[peak escarp]

yeah, I guess

[iron plume]

oh right forgot DF too

so 3/17

16 actually since I wouldn't count winston either

twist: Brigitte has her natural hair color, but torb dyes his blonde

[pure kernel]

Pls

[valid shell]

Always possible, but beard dye is a hassle.

[peak escarp]

people suspected that Ingrid dyed her hair, since some of the art has her with darker eyebrows

just another stretch trying to justify blonde + blonde = auburn

[pure kernel]

I like how Ingrid is the only one with eyes on Torb :v

[limpid agate]

So what's this about people with unnatural hair

Brown:
McCree, Tracer, Mei, D.Va, Lucio
Black:
Pharah, Sombra (w/ Purple Highlights), Hanzo (graying), Symmetra
Red:
Brigitte, Moira
Blonde:
Junkrat (w/ Burning tips), Torb, Mercy
Non-natural:
Widow (blue) Zarya (pink)

[valid shell]

@limpid agate Also,

White: Soldier: 76, Reinhardt, Ana, Roadhog.

[limpid agate]

Yes

I excluded bald Doomfist, and gray those 4

As well as non-humans

If I add them

Aslo Reaper/Genji

Black: Doomfist, Ana, Reaper, Genji
Blonde: Soldier, Reinhardt
Unknown: Roadhog

[valid shell]

I think you could consider Doomfist black-haired, but I suppose he's old enough it might have greyed.

What do you mean unknown for Roadhog?

[limpid agate]

He is either always white haired

Or he went gray

I suppose I could just say

White: Roadhog

As far as we know, he's always been white

[worthy rose]

Doom's Talon skin shows he has, or atleast HAD black hair..

[valid shell]

Yup.

But he's in his 40's, so that might not be the case any longer.

[worthy rose]

Seeming the average age for hair 'greying' is 50, Doomfist being 45 could be getting greyness?

Mm

[valid shell]

We won't know until we get a new canon skin with a cool Morgan Freeman salt and pepper 'do.

[worthy rose]

I thought that the extensive augmentation made him bald

[valid shell]

They're probably correlated.

A shaved head likely makes epidermal augmentations easier.

See: https://c-7npsfqifvt34x24e2v6q4m5x78qbz4lx2edmpvegspoux2eofu.g00.gamepedia.com/g00/3_c-7pwfsx78budi.hbnfqfejb.dpn_/c-7NPSFQIFVT34x24iuuqtx3ax2fx2fe2v6q4m5x78qbz4l.dmpvegspou.ofux2fpwfsx78budi_hbnfqfejbx2fgx2fg1x2fBoupojp.qohx3fwfstjpox3d08c8524dc7bc79f147360210gg61c17d_$/$/$/$/$?i10c.ua=1&i10c.dv=14

https://i.gyazo.com/6856099a320cc3b8e16d1ba7ebf05573.png

[valid shell]

Am I missing any?

[untold cradle]

doomfist doesn't count does he?

[valid shell]

He does!

[untold cradle]

oh

[lost fjord]

Yeah, its even said in a dialogue with zarya

[untold cradle]

yep he does

[valid shell]

https://i.gyazo.com/badf5712fdf56832df4b04faaa930544.png

[lost fjord]

Does zen count as an augmentation?

And ana with her speciall eye?

And moira with her weird kit?

[valid shell]

@lost fjord Good questions!

Ana WAS augmented, but not anymore.

And I feel like Moira's eye plate might be some surface-level socket augmentation.

Since her Minister and Oasis skins (while not confirmed canon) also have some kind of addition around the eye.

[reef dagger]

you know, I truly wonder what war McCree refers to in Junkenstein's Revenge

[lost fjord]

Tbh, you can almost see junkenstein as a fanfiction

No impact on the real lore, but this time its the dev that did it, not the fanbase

I think. Might be wrong too

@reef dagger

[reef dagger]

I always thought of it that way too

but I still see it as legit lore of some kind

because I'm highly interested in the backstory it hints at

I wish we could see more in the Junkenstein universe

it's even created stories for existing skins, like the Comtesse

to create this sort of clockpunk-fantasy setting of many stories

(and, as I've made it a personal goal to collect a full set of steampunk skins for every Overwatch hero, it certainly makes me interested in getting a complete canon put together

[lost fjord]

Good luck!

@valid shell

Could you help harmonica? I'm not really a lore god

[valid shell]

Naa, he doesn't need help. He's a (semi)-regular.

[limpid agate]

If they're from the US

Either civil war

Or American Revolution

I'd say more likely the former

Though if they want to match the setting of Frankenstein exactly, which was early 1800s

It would have to be the American Revolution

[regal coyote]

^

[regal coyote]

1800 makes most sense also, with the pseudo tech, and the nobility like huntress and the rest of the cast.

[quasi schooner]

How would it affect the whole OW universe if everyone was actually super sentient A

AI, and Omnic are actually human mess ups?

[cunning ledge]

@quasi schooner what?

[quasi schooner]

So every heroe/villain/cutscene character is actually a robot, and all the humans are hiding somewhere. I know it doesn’t work but it’s an interesting theory

[cunning ledge]

i can't even begin to understand how you could come to that idea

it's on the level of one of those cartoon show fantheories that states that the main character is in a coma and everyone else is a dream

what's the evidence?

what's the point?

[quasi schooner]

Yeh, but one side of it is

how do the heroes respawn, unless in elim

Tbh, it’s basically nth I gotta but it’s be a cool thing

[cunning ledge]

so your lore theory evidence is gameplay

great

[quasi schooner]

Nah, it’s basically nothing XD. Conversation over

[iron plume]

They’re rebuilt with digistruct, clearly

[cunning ledge]

ah yes

my personal favourite sci-fi teleportation explanation

[regal coyote]

actually there was this theory of everything being a situation simulation by Athena. Obviously an unlikely theory, but it gained some small traction some year ago

[quasi schooner]

Kinda fits a bit

[woeful pike]

i believe torb is the god of time and space itself

[peak escarp]

no shitposting

[woeful pike]

what

[pearl blade]

Shitposting will result in loss of access

[woeful pike]

its a theory

[pearl blade]

Yeah

It's a shitpost theory

Unless you have decent evidence of that, it's a shitpost

[woeful pike]

well he has like 14 children and probably a dozen wives

[pliant radish]

Are they lore objectives for every currently released map? (Like Junkertown being 'The Plan' for example)

[woeful pike]

most

the recent ones at least

except for the maps that arent used in comp matches (excluding petra and such)

[pearl blade]

@pliant radish most of them yes

@woeful pike having lots of children and wives doesn't prove jack shit in the terms of torb being god of time and space.

[pliant radish]

What're the ones that don't have one yet?

Deathmatch excluded I'd assume

[pearl blade]

I think 2 cp and control don't have lore objectives afaik

[valid shell]

It's usually the payload maps.

[pearl blade]

Payload maps do. Eichenwald has you retrieving the armor of the one guy that I can't remember his name

[pliant radish]

Balderich?

[valid shell]

Dorado is delivering a new generator to Lumerico.
King's Row is bringing an EMP into the Omnic underground.
Junkertown is "The Plan".

Numbani was stealing the Doomfist gauntlet, but now it's something Efi invented.

Looks like a prototype of Orisa's Supercharger? I don't know.

[pearl blade]

I thought numbani was putting the Doomfist gauntlet in the museum?

[pliant radish]

There was the time where it was empty for a bit

[valid shell]

@pearl blade How?

[pliant radish]

But yeah, interesting to know

[valid shell]

Doomfist has the gauntlet now.

Blizzard doesn't always obey continuity, but in this instance, they did.

Now the Numbani payload is an Efi invention.

[pliant radish]

I see

[woeful pike]

blizzard world has basically no correlation with the lore

if any

[short scaffold]

Reminder that shitposting will result in a loss of access @woeful pike

[pliant radish]

So can Gibraltar be a 'deliver cargo to launch a rocket' attempt?

[valid shell]

@woeful pike It does in the sense that it exists, but things like Tracer/Torb/Winston/Bastion visiting, and Sombra/D.Va/Soldier/Junkrat on the basketball scoreboard are tenuously canon.

@pliant radish It's launching the Overwatch satellite.

[pliant radish]

Ah

[cunning ledge]

yeah, the details binge mentioned are more like easter eggs

but since they're easter eggs referencing the thing they're in (unlike all the easter eggs referencing the other games) they're non canon

[peak escarp]

@woeful pike why would you think Torbjorn has "like 14 children and probably a dozen wives"?

we've seen 1 of his children and 7 grandchildren

[valid shell]

They did what everyone does in this channel. Spout bullshit to get some quick laughs, and then get embarrassed and backpedal and pretend they were serious when they get called out on it.

[cedar galleon]

How many kids does torb have ?

Did his kids all have a reasonable amount or is there a really potent member of the lindholm family

[valid shell]

@cedar galleon At least two.

[peak escarp]

we don't know the exact number, but since Brigitte is the youngest, she has at least one older sibling

so that one older sibling could have had 7 children (not impossible - my mom was one of 7 kids in her family), or there are more siblings and each sibling had fewer children

or maybe Torb has more grandkids than just the ones we saw in Reflections

[dire timber]

my personal guess would be 2-3 older siblings

[regal coyote]

we know brig have 0 child

so a reasonable guess is that there is 2-3 older siblings, giving a total of 7+ grandchild

rare to have 7 child these days from the same couple.

now if there are older siblings without child then there can be more.

[valid shell]

Children*

[peak escarp]

If the Omnic Crisis ended around 20 years ago, then the only heroes who would have been an adult (over 18) during the crisis would be Ana, Doomfist, Moira, Reaper, Roadhog, Reinhardt, Torbjorn and Soldier

Correct?

[heavy pilot]

Correct

[brave path]

It’s been confirmed that genji and Handsoap are a gay couple

[limpid agate]

@brave path @deft lintel Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[gray temple]

i mean.. it could be considered lore

[limpid agate]

No, it cant

It is shitposting

Memes are shitposting

This is your final warning

[gray temple]

rip

[limpid agate]

If you have questions, DM @sullen pagoda

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to lore

[gray temple]

soo is lucio hanzos 15th cousin?

[limpid agate]

Moving swiftly onwards

[compact gyro]

is the only thing we know about lucio is that his dad is a vishkar employee

[zenith hill]

Oof that's gotta make for some awkward family gatherings

[limpid agate]

Nah

Lucio is talking about how Vishkar used his dad

[timid eagle]

It makes you wonder how well off Lucio is pre-DJ career.

And how high up his father was at Vishkar.

[peak escarp]

I feel like they wouldn't be too well off, but with enough money for DJ gear (maybe second hand?)

[cosmic cape]

As a DJ myself, the gear for him (growing up on the slums) would have been pretty tough. Especially with the price of todays equipment, imagine how much it would have cost for him

[smoky ferry]

i keep trying to shitpost here over and over again and yet i dont get loss of access

its a curse, i just want this channel gone

[worthy rose]

then mute it

[dire timber]

@peak escarp it ended around 30 years ago, actually

"20 years ago" was only said in events like Uprising and Retribution

which are set 7-8 years in the past

[cunning ledge]

@broken hound ?

[chilly peak]

Is there any Chinese native speaker? I'm looking for the best translation of Lijiang's text:
古希腊雕像在伊利奥斯重现天日
I can't find one answer. On some websites someone translated it to:
The ancient Greek statue has showed itself to the world again in Ilios
Or:
Ancient Greek statues emerge in Ilios to reproduce the sun
Which one is correct?
Cheers

[cunning ledge]

oh?

[dire timber]

no, nevermind

[cunning ledge]

hm

[dire timber]

@chilly peak "Ancient Greek statues once again see the light of day"

It's basically that

I'm not a Chinese speaker, mind you

But it's a very obvious idiom

I swear, people buying nonsense like "reproduce the sun" based on obvious mistranslations 🙄

[chilly peak]

this is confusing, because Ilios basically means "light of day" ;p

[dire timber]

anyhow, Google Translate shows it as a simple "Ancient Greek statue reappears in Ilios"

[chilly peak]

yup, and email on Petra just confirms that

[quasi schooner]

Isn’t ilios just a made up place tho?

[chilly peak]

Nope, Ilios is different name of ancient city Troy

[quasi schooner]

🤔 hmm that changes a lot of my lore knowledge up

“Ancient Greek statue reappears in Troy”?

[dire timber]

while "Ilios" was indeed one of the names for Troy, it's not really the same place in Overwatch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy

while Troy is located in modern Turkey, Illios ostensibly uses the Greece flag

[chilly peak]

yea, Blizzard just used this name, because it's connected to greek mythology

[worthy rose]

Sorry I'm new to lore, but if Lucios dad is high up in the Vishkar Corp, why does lucio 'despise' Vishkar?
Was his dad not on his 'side'?
Sorry if it's obvious..

[chilly peak]

We don't know if Lucio's dad despised Vishkar too

[worthy rose]

As in, Lucios dad was trying to get their tech too?

[chilly peak]

It is said Vishkar used him and his work

[worthy rose]

Oh

By 'his work' you mean things he made for Vishkar, or smth else?

[chilly peak]

he probably made sonic technology for Vishkar and they militarized it

[worthy rose]

So, lucio stole vishkars tech, or his father gave him the tech?

Also lucio has a new voice line with mercy (?) saying he owns Vishkar now?

[chilly peak]

Lucio stole Vishkar's tech, but in Lucio's eyes it's not a theft. "I just took what belongs to my family"

[worthy rose]

Oh I see.

So he technically took his fathers work back- but it had been enhanced or militarised as you said?

[regal coyote]

古希腊雕像在伊利奥斯重现天日

Ancient Greece Statue resurfaced/rediscovered at Ilios

[chilly peak]

Militarised version was used to get rid of riots, maybe something like super-high volume sonic waves. I don't think sonic tech was made to do this.

[worthy rose]

Hm

[chilly peak]

I think it can be used to both ways

[regal coyote]

重现天日 has nothing to do with light of day really, more like old more poetic phrase of saying things. problem with chinese language

basically "seeing the light of day again"

[chilly peak]

oh yes! The word "rediscovered"! Everywhere it looks like the statues reappeared by themselves xD

[regal coyote]

lost in translation

[worthy rose]

Hold on, why's it Chinese if it's in Ilios?
Isn't Ilios based off Greece or smth?

[chilly peak]

This text was on Lijiang Market, on the news billboard

[worthy rose]

Oh..

So how's it relate to Ilios?

[cunning ledge]

It directly mentions Ilios?

[worthy rose]

Oh lol, sorry.

Wasn't there a craving on the wall in the new Petra map?

[cunning ledge]

yeah, there were images of some of the deities depicted in statues in ilios and rialto

[worthy rose]

Does it mean anything, or they're just pictures?

[cunning ledge]

probably related to how Talon is (probably) funding Oasis to steal statues for some reason

they're in Ilios, Petra, and Ayutthaya

and there are statues that are probably from Ilios in Rialto and Château Guillard

[chilly peak]

oh, by the way, how Oasis is connected to archeologists group working on Ilios, Petra and Auytthaya?

[cunning ledge]

Oasis probably is that group

or at least the group is an exploration division

that's my theory

[chilly peak]

yes, it probably is. In Oasis spawn room there is some ancient stuff, but sadly there is no this sign

https://i.imgur.com/QCe7t4r.png

[cunning ledge]

also the names mentioned

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/8lav0e/images_of_new_messages_on_petra_hamid_faisal_new/

[chilly peak]

yup, pretty arabic names

Faisal I was king of Iraq in XX

Blizzard did his homework xD

[worthy rose]

Hamid? Or.. HAMMOND?
Sorry.

[quasi schooner]

Well... oasis universary

*universaty

[cunning ledge]

@quasi schooner ?

what about oasis university

[valid shell]

@quasi schooner One more try to spell it right. cx

[quasi schooner]

Universities generally do research and scientific discoveries and a high tech modern one like oasis would surely do an archeological dig

[cunning ledge]

that's a good point actually

it could be the symbol of the university

although that then implies talon is directly funding a university

hmm

[quasi schooner]

the plot thickens

[worthy rose]

maybe vialli did that "fund an university to show we aren't evil" scheme while DF was away

[quasi schooner]

Yeh that would make sense actually

Unless the statues are someth8 g special, seeing as they appear to be headline news. Maybe talon wants to collect them all under the front of a well know university to get something

[chilly peak]

Well... what the EF is that!

https://i.imgur.com/zOMSVJb.png

[cunning ledge]

ferrofluid

/art sculpture

[chilly peak]

it makes weird noises

[worthy rose]

yeah it's either a big blob of ferrofluid or some machinery

[chilly peak]

or aliens 👽

[cunning ledge]

it's.. it's not aliens

[chilly peak]

"change my mind" meme

[quasi schooner]

It’s a me mario

[worthy rose]

The sound also could be the sound of the containment device

[quasi schooner]

Just looked at the pic, and that is weird, where is it?

Also the drones suggest a containment thing

Potentially something highly dangerous

[peak escarp]

okay, I've done my research

and several sources say the Omnic Crisis started 30 years ago and ended 20 years ago, lasting for 10 years

[worthy rose]

is mercy gay 🤔

[valid shell]

@worthy rose We don't know.

There's nothing to suggest her sexuality.

[worthy rose]

was joke

[valid shell]

It wasn't very funny.

[worthy rose]

doesnt have to be

[limpid agate]

@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access

[worthy rose]

of what?

[limpid agate]

@peak escarp White Dome suggests the crisis ended earlier.

@worthy rose This server

[peak escarp]

White Dome mentions a "pocket of Omnic resistance"

[limpid agate]

Yes, but throughout the crisis, overwatch was just a team of 6

[peak escarp]

which could still be towards the end of the war but before the official end/ceasefire

[limpid agate]

White Dome had Emre.

[peak escarp]

20 is also a rough number

[limpid agate]

Plus, Overwatch was founded ~30 years ago.

Its likely the crisis started earlier

[peak escarp]

as you know, the devs don't like giving concrete numbers

[limpid agate]

Of course not

[peak escarp]

Overwatch was founded 20 years ago according to every source except Reinhardt's bio (which is probably obsolete at this point)

Soldier's origin trailer says "I led Overwatch for 20 years"

[limpid agate]

Im gonna look at Overgosh's sources

But they listed the end of the crisis as concrete

[peak escarp]

it would be more helpful if it said what source that date came from

[limpid agate]

Im looking for it

[peak escarp]

light yellow is "Date per hero biographies"

the only hero biography that mentions a date for that time period is Reinhardt's

[limpid agate]

Yeah they dont have a source

http://overwatch.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/blizzcon-2014-overwatch-unveiled-panel-transcript
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/19809396/

Are the two they have

And neither give a clear date

[peak escarp]

in the Overwatch Unveiled panel Metzen says the Omnic Crisis started 30 years ago, but he also says Overwatch was founded 30 years ago

[limpid agate]

It also says Hanzo quit the clan 10 years ago

Not sure if thats still the case

[peak escarp]

the Morrison article doesn't mention any time frame

[limpid agate]

Nope.

Its mislabled as sourced when its just speculation

[valid shell]

That wouldn't be too bad, since Genji was an experienced BW agent 8 years ago.

[limpid agate]

Hmm, yeah. That would be fine

I just think its weird that Genji was in prototype limbo for 4 years

[peak escarp]

due to the way they're writing the lore, more recent lore should be more reliable than older lore

in which case Orisa's bio is the most recent mention of the end of the omnic crisis

"Originally put into service before the Omnic Crisis, the OR14 "Idina" line of security robots was built in Nigeria's massive manufacturing omnium. After the war, they were taken out of production, along with many of the other models used during the crisis. Twenty years later, Numbani revived and recommissioned the OR14 program to protect the city from external threats. These new OR15s were deployed for a short time before they were destroyed in an attack by Doomfist."

when the OR15s were put into service, it had been 20 years since the war

and they were put into service shortly before Doomfist destroyed them all while attacking Numbani airport

which is a recent event in the OW timeline

[limpid agate]

OH

I see where they got

2051

The source they took was Morrison's line

Running Overwatch for 20 years

And he took over after the crisis

[peak escarp]

aha

[limpid agate]

It makes sense, but I woudlnt call that concrete

[peak escarp]

20 years before the fall

not 20 years before present

curse these round numbers

give us dates, Chu!

so then the end of the omnic crisis and the founding of Overwatch would be more like 25 years ago

which makes things a little messy

. . . I've seen it repeated constantly that McCree was recruited into Blackwatch "20 years ago" but there doesn't seem to be a source on that anywhere

the only source is the Ana group photo with newly-recruited McCree that's labelled as being 20 years ago

[peak escarp]

I think if we were ever given a solid date for even one thing, the lore community would implode trying to sort out a proper timeline

[pearl portal]

can someone summarize most of what we know about Junkrat's lore

[limpid agate]

He found atreasure

People want the treasure

So he hired Roadhog to protect him

[worthy rose]

He could hardly have it on his person

[pearl portal]

do we have any clues on what the treasure is

[limpid agate]

No

[white cobalt]

isnt the treasure the money hidden in junkertown attack spawn?

[limpid agate]

No

Its something he scavenged from the Omnium

[peak escarp]

the money in junkertown attack spawn is Roadhog's

since it's in his house

[pearl portal]

it's just a mutated rat he found

[dire timber]

@peak escarp
"okay, I've done my research
and several sources say the Omnic Crisis started 30 years ago and ended 20 years ago, lasting for 10 years"

um

no, that's not it

both refer to the same "30 years ago" point in the timeline

like I said, the source for "20 years ago" is only in context of the Fall of Overwatch era

which is 5-10 years in the past

[peak escarp]

from Orisa's bio, which is "current day"

"Originally put into service before the Omnic Crisis, the OR14 "Idina" line of security robots was built in Nigeria's massive manufacturing omnium. After the war, they were taken out of production, along with many of the other models used during the crisis. Twenty years later, Numbani revived and recommissioned the OR14 program to protect the city from external threats."

[dire timber]

huh

[peak escarp]

they were taken out of service after the war which is 20 years before current day

we discussed it a bit above

[dire timber]

do we know long OR15 units were in service before being destroyed by Doomfist?

[peak escarp]

"These new OR15s were deployed for a short time before they were destroyed in an attack by Doomfist."

[dire timber]

ah, a short time, then

[peak escarp]

unknown exactly, but can't have been that long

all the numbers we're given are rounded numbers, and some of them (particularly the 20 years we've been arguing over) do conflict

and in Soldier's origin trailer, he says he led Overwatch for 20 years - is that 20 years prior to the Swiss explosion (26 years before present)? or did the writers not take that into the account?

[dire timber]

hm?

he did lead Overwatch for 20 years

from 30 years ago to 6 years ago

[peak escarp]

so anywhere between 20 and 30 years could be correct

which is why I hate round numbers

I want exact numbers

but Morrison wasn't the leader of the original strike team, Reyes was

so he should only be counting his years as Strike Commander

[dire timber]

hm, my got feeling places the beginning of the Omnic Crisis at 30 years ago, and the end at 27 years ago

I'm not sure what would happen in these 4 years though

[peak escarp]

I'd put the end of the omnic crisis at 25/26 years ago

[dire timber]

I feel like the Omnic Crisis shouldn't be longer than three years

[peak escarp]

just based on Jack saying he led Overwatch for 20 years + the Swiss base/Overwatch being shut down 5/6 years ago

[dire timber]

with Overwatch only being assembled in the last year