that would be sad but extremely cool.
#lore-discussion
runic scroll
hey so zen being 20 years old is saying that it's been 20 years since he's been built, right?
not that his AI is programmed to be a 20 year old
pearl portal
20 years old since he was built
limpid agate
Orisa wasnt programmed to be a1 month old
She was built 1 month ago
That's still the most recent event chronologically other than Searching
regal coyote
orisa is programmed to be a bit childish yes, but she is defintiely a young adult in many ways.
i guess efi is building her to be a companion, in a way.
agile agate
Hi
cunning ledge
greetings
agile agate
:)
haughty sluice
didnt overwatch say they were permanently gonna kill somebody in the lore?
cunning ledge
no?
worthy rose
that sounds like a really risky move but I would actually like that I think
it'd be better than nothing happening in the lore
haughty sluice
Would Blizzard really kill an Overwatch hero, though? Permanently? During an interview later that day, I asked Kaplan. "We get in arguments about this all the time on the team," he said. "Can we kill a character? If we kill a character, who would it be?" It's possible, he said, but with one big caveat: If a character "dies" in the story, they will still be playable in the game. "We will not remove a hero from the roster," Kaplan said. "No one has to worry about that."
they never confirmed it but they didnt deny it
placid grove
How would Roadhog's rebreather work lore wise?
peak escarp
he inhales a chemical to counteract the effects of radiation poisoning
regal coyote
Well, as long as they dont make the character unplayable and fuck with our investment in skins/cosmetics then it is ok.
Then again this is no Game of Thrones so even if there are killings it wont be often.
I mean, it is marketed for the more general public so chances are they wont greyjoy someone or something.
So we dont ahve to worry about a red wedding situation. At worst we lose a character ot two. unfortunately this might mean the glorious end rein is looking for.
oblique zinc
dawn canopy
@worthy rose shitposting will result in loss of access
worthy rose
Dat censorship
terse oak
Moving on
timid eagle
Even if they kill a hero, lore-wise, there's no way they will remove them from the game.
ivory sphinx
people who like the hero will get pissed
crimson crag
Has Tracer ever gone too fast?
cunning ledge
@crimson crag ?
broken sand
i have a lore issue
hanzo shouldn't say "simple geometry" since he has no more shatter arrow
now he should say "simple multipication"
vale rose
imo that doesn’t sound as interesting
cunning ledge
gameplay isn't lore
cunning ledge
and again, there's no lore issue
crimson crag
Is tracer immortal due to her time displacement?
vale rose
Her condition only affects her existence within the timestream, not the aging
My guess would be that before Winston helped her by creating the coronal accelerator, she was slipping in and out of our timestream and either moving into a limbo like area or a completely different timestream altogether
vale rose
Yes, but it doesn’t explain where she was in the time she wasn’t in our perceived existence
worthy rose
What would happen if tracer dies?
frosty shell
Her new voice line says "statistically i've wasted less than most" so I think she temporarily ceased to exist when she phased out of time
Although in HoTS she says she had dreams of being a maid in an old-timey country house
which may be a reference to Cara Theobold's role in Downton Abbey
cunning ledge
@worthy rose she dies
crimson crag
How can she age if she's not existing in the timeline?
cunning ledge
she is?
frosty shell
She might have aged slower for the months that she was unstuck in time
valid shell
Or she just means she's done more in her youth than most.
frosty shell
It's clearly a reference to her time abilities
lean silo
It's Tracer, the line has to be self-referential
Otherwise it would go on Mercy
aka "hey i fix dead people lol"
they wouldn't just randomly assign that one to her, she has time travel (^;
limpid agate
I thought it was because she joined Overwatch as a youth.
Whereas Lucio and DVa have been doing concerts and streaming instead
lean silo
I'm inclined to think it has to do with the fact that she was quite literally not in time to waste it for a while.
Besides, I wouldn't consider either of them to have been wasting time either
Both are celebrities and making money lmao
And clearly enjoying themselves
worthy rose
I meant like what would happen to her body
Like would her corpse just constantly fade?
peak escarp
I thought that line just meant she wasted less time because she's fast
neon flint
thanks for the info
drowsy wadi
Did you guys really not Link that line with her Time abillitys?
neon flint
could winsten start a ape revolution within the overwatch universe if there were other intelligent apes and would he lead them ?
neon flint
but what if winsteon reall wanted to set his people free would traceer help him or fight him ?
drowsy wadi
This is stupid
neon flint
because winstend hate humans in the comic idk if you read it or not
peak escarp
Winston has only appeared in Reflections
neon flint
oh yeah im just having some silly fun XD
peak escarp
Serious discussion only
neon flint
im serious about having fun
peak escarp
Well the rest of us are serious about the lore
neon flint
sorry im new XD
worthy rose
if anyone has a good zen lore please share
neon flint
wow man get off my nuts
drowsy wadi
We need to wait for a Comic or Cinematic
worthy rose
he is so underappreciated
reef dagger
seems like such is the case for a lot of the supports
with exception of Ana, and Ana's great
worthy rose
ana is the best to deny heals especially in trans
reef dagger
well, that has nothing to do with the lore...
worthy rose
but how she learned to do that
vale rose
She has a grenade that has nanobots
worthy rose
her grenade
vale rose
When nanobots are in question everything is out the window basically
reef dagger
She stole most of her tech from Overwatch, just as Soldier: 76 did
worthy rose
no the stuff she puts in there
reef dagger
locked up in storage
valid shell
It's not even a real grenade - it's moreso biotics in a glass jar.
vale rose
mercy helped design the biotic grenade and rifle
vale rose
Yes but mercy helped
reef dagger
before Ana was released, there was a whole blueprint of her Biotic Rifle, which had all the lore behind it
valid shell
No, she didn't. Torbjorn just used her research.
valid shell
She wasn't angry, per-say, because she's on good terms with Torbjorn.
And seems to trust him to a degree.
worthy rose
but as long the rifle was used for good cause
reef dagger
She was just urging the utmost caution
worthy rose
not sure if the sniper she used was the same as one from she got shot by widow
valid shell
Nope.
worthy rose
oh okay
valid shell
Her old rifle was a: https://comic.playoverwatch.com/issues/overwatch/7/en-us/pages/2/2-3.jpg
worthy rose
yeah im gonna need to read the comics
valid shell
They're all in the pins.
reef dagger
"Sniping's a good job mate."
worthy rose
thank
valid shell
@neon flint Also nope.
polar sky
i wanted to be with her
valid shell
I'm 11.
polar sky
oh
valid shell
Twitter
vale rose
you have the best phrasing and common sense out of any 11 year old I’ve met @valid shell
neon flint
im just saying that theres a likeness
vale rose
Accurate
polar sky
he love peanut byyer also!
its refenced in the map hanumura whwre u see a bananana
on the map
and penut by=utter
butter sorry
vale rose
It’s more referenced in his animated short, Recall, and Watchpoint: Gibraltar
fickle scarab
Hmm?
short scaffold
@polar sky Shitposting will result in a loss of access
refrain from doing so in the future
polar sky
im not shiot posting
short scaffold
Yes you are. Keep this channel on topic
short scaffold
@wind marten use the LFG channels
pearl helm
Tracer is really gay
peak escarp
Do you have a point?
worthy rose
Is there any plotholes in the lore
valid shell
@worthy rose Plenty.
worthy rose
I've just watched some summary's and I'm very interested in the story
peak escarp
Any specific questions we can help you with?
worthy rose
Why do people like doomfist work with Reinhardt in battle (in the game)
peak escarp
because the game is non-canon
worthy rose
Ohh
peak escarp
if they had to enforce hero alliances in the game, it would make people angry
short scaffold
Yeah the game doesn't exist in lore
You have lore based interactions, but a lot of them aren't strictly canon
peak escarp
the only parts of the game that can be considered canon are the Archives missions
and I guess the details on the maps
worthy rose
Who was the girl who made orisia?
short scaffold
Efi iirc
She's not really anyone important as far as I'm aware
Just managed to make a robot/omnics from scrap parts
peak escarp
Efi Oladele, a robotics prodigy from Numbani and the recipient of the Adawe Foundation Grant
regal coyote
I would say the standard outfit is canon also
along with details on the map, but not the layout.
polar sky
@short scaffold sorry man salute me or shoot me
regal coyote
map is meant to set in a way where playability is always more important.
voice lines represent how characters feel about each other, but it is not canon in the sense that the interaction often times may not have happened ever.
But that said it does provide background info.
like, it is the second proof that pharah's father unit is Sam.
And it is also canon that Lucio's dad is a vishkar inventor (no way this is not canon, and unlikely Lucio is making shit up)
same goes for sprays
some details are obviously right and real, like the photo on Sam, and gerad
peak escarp
but the seasonal sprays, like them all playing sports for Summer Games or the sprays of kids dressed as the heroes, are not
regal coyote
yes
though we can argue that some kids in the overwatch universe may want to dress up as their fav hero, but it does not matter to the lore of the story at all
I would say things like this extends to obvious things like emote and highlights, most of the random and cool posts are treated as game mechanics.
Oh, i am here for an interesting question.
Do you think in general kill count of characters include omnics they destroyed?
like, ana mentioned she killed many people throughout her career, is that only humns, or does that include omnics too?
same fors for roadhog's mass murderer name.
peak escarp
it's hard to say whether omnics are counted as people
regal coyote
Causeof everything er have only seen the duo kill 1 person, that CEO fuckwit that doublecross him.
If anything we see roadhog letting those would-be robber on his property go after stripping them of their stuff.
all we see is them trashing bunch of robots.
neon flint
are there any michigan plotholes in the lore ?
limpid agate
A what
valid shell
@neon flint ?
lunar otter
dire timber
@lunar otter I don't think there's any voice - just a desolate, windy ambience sound
regal coyote
This might be sound effect only. Like that talking voice that is hidden behind tracer's blinking sound
bitter sinew
cunning ledge
stop pinging random people
regal coyote
why am i pinged, what i do?
pseudo coral
Lore says that mercy is the best waifu
rustic walrus
Road hog = Best waifu
iron plume
shitposting = loss of access
vale rose
^
dire timber
Mercy lore when
iron plume
she was there when brigitte was born isn't that enough
you people
and she created reaper who's obviously important
vale rose
Her lore is really simple, she was a medical genius who used nanobots to help people, then Overwatch recruited her and she became their front-line medic, at the same time developing her Valkyrie suit to help her get to and from wounded agents. Later, she very reluctantly loaned the nanobots technology to Torb, who developed the biotic rifle and biotic grenade.
iron plume
Good to see you on our side though
well yeah, her lore is "very simple"
because there's fuck all of it
iron plume
again
because they actually have some
aside from their bio
If you just go by Ana's bio, it's simple too
iron plume
She used to be a soldier among the best snipers in the world, she joined overwatch, became a leader, lost an eye and decided to leave overwatch
then joined up with jack but because her aim is worse she now heals instead of just killing people
oh and something something Sam canadian civil servant
It goes deeper than that because we've actually seen her in the lore pieces
for a lot of characters, including Mercy, it doesn't
dire timber
@iron plume Mercy is present in a lot of content
but always as a supporting side character
it's sad
peak escarp
she spends a lot of time in the background for a member of Overwatch
peak escarp
you'd expect that from one of the peripheral characters like Lucio or Junkrat, but not an Overwatch member
iron plume
Lucio doesn't even have any background time
dire timber
I hope we at least get a Mercy comic somewhere down the line
iron plume
anyway yeah it is a shame
peak escarp
she's the one hero (aside from the ones thought to be dead) that I don't see coming back
iron plume
Mercy's response to recall: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/415751501861093396/415751606001336320/xO0cG0d.png
peak escarp
at least, not without significant motivation
iron plume
Everything she's set up as suggests no
I'd wager she might join as a "freelancer" in like
act 2
(so in 2025-ish)
as in she'll say no overwatch isn't in her interests
but then The Thing that talon is planning happens
after which new-ow boosts up the recruiting to people other than ex-agents
peak escarp
a full on war might be enough to bring her back
iron plume
and also reaches out to mercy (maybe because someone gets seriously hurt)
hm
a Claire Temple kind of role would fit her
where she's not out there with overwatch herself, but is on their side
that said
I have a dreading feeling
that Blizzard will basically go
"Join overwatch, Mercy!"
"no"
"pretty please?"
"k"
which would just make me give up tbh
it's even worse than evil mercy
iron plume
You know what I'd love to see? Some character that didn't start out as Talon join them
not like a face-heel turn, but rather a successful version of the Hanzo interaction
would be an interesting way to launch their Big Thing
cunning ledge
hamid, an oasis archeologist who managed several talon funded digs, discovers something that he could use as a weapon and talon hires him
boom
iron plume
boii
cunning ledge
i just want a melee that's a spade or something ok
iron plume
let me tell you about this game called team fortress 2
peak escarp
he's better than most of the other potential heroes
limpid agate
This is the lore channel, not the gameplay channel
dire timber
@cunning ledge somehow I don't want Hamid to know about the fact that he's helping Talon
he'd be like a more direct version of Symmetra - unwittingly aiding bad people
ivory sphinx
that wasnt revolting
terse oak
Wasn't strictly by the books but that was a wild card
limpid agate
@ivory sphinx @terse oak McCree left before the Swiss HQ incident
Which was 3 years after Antonio
terse oak
Ahh
limpid agate
Genji left before Overwatch was shutdown, but at an unknown time
It was after Doomfist's arrest
terse oak
I need more of Genji finding himself ;_;
limpid agate
In the present
McCree was last seen wandering
And Genji was last seen with Zenyatta after his encounter with Hanzo
We dont know if they joined new Overwatch yet
terse oak
I hope so
Actually I kind of hope Genji did his own thing but I imagine he's slightly indebted
regal coyote
there is no plotline or anything that leads to mccree joinging winston
genji may or may not have joined out but does shwo interest
hanzo, no for now
zen, no plotline on that, i would say unlikely, at least not as active member
limpid agate
Genji is teased to possible join, but its kinda vague
McCree is the most likely candidate to join, since he is already a wanted vigilante
regal coyote
eventually mccree will for sure, but no plotline yet as i said.
ivory sphinx
its possible genji and mccree left at the same time
cuz they didnt wanna be part of the fight between morrison and reyes
dire timber
you know
I'm thinking that we will see horned Moira from her origin short... but as a Talon skin instead
Idk
do you guys think it'd fit well into the other Talon skins?
cunning ledge
Seems like that could be a thing
Although it would look a lot like the current Valkryie/Blackwatch Moira
But a white/grey colour scheme mixed in too could work
dire timber
https://i.imgur.com/vrG8tXG.png
https://i.imgur.com/C9Xhrqy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PUwhjji.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VIuPQU0.jpg
... um
maybe I should've put them side by side
cunning ledge
Blackwatch doesn't actually have the withered right hand
So Talon Moira could have that too
dire timber
I still don't know why Sombra's make-up doesn't match the black-red color scheme
or why Widow's hair is blue
valid shell
And I wouldn't want Moira's Talon skin to just be BW with a different headpiece.
That would be lazy.
cunning ledge
Also are you implying Moira is in a lore event twice in a row
(Not that I don't want her in the lore event and to have that skin)
outer grove
Hello new guy here level 16 just wondering.... Why does D.va have no comic/animated short for herself??
And is it actually true that people say she's 76' daughter??? (Heard that 2 times today)
cunning ledge
D.Va has no lore because they haven't made any lore media for her yet
There's no actual reason
Even with the new voice lines there's nothing
worthy rose
no korean map too
cunning ledge
Even Lucio can be connected to the main plot by going Lucio -> Vishkar -> Sanjay -> Talon
D.Va can't
Without cheating by going D.Va -> Kaiju Omnic -> Omnics in general -> etc
worthy rose
even zen has lore
worthy rose
we all know genji and zenyatta were together in nepal
cunning ledge
Yeah, Zenyatta is easy to connect to the main plot but still has no present relevance
It's literally just D.Va that's so disconnected
rapid sphinx
worthy rose
ex pro gamer in jumpsuit piloting mech
dire timber
@cunning ledge I think the next event is a Talon event
low axle
8
dire timber
and that would include Widowmaker, Sombra, Doomfist, and a Talon healer
and I don't think we're getting another Talon healer
peak escarp
@dire timber Widow's hair is blue (And her skin is pale) because her Talon skin represents her after she has murdered Gerard and returned to Talon to complete her transformation
They've already begun the process of slowing her heart rate (I know that wouldn't actually turn you hair blue, but go with me)
peak escarp
I thought it looked about the same
worthy rose
bluer on which skin?
valid shell
If only there was some way to switch between the skins to compare them.
What a convenience that would be.
worthy rose
well you could extract the skins for her and compare them in blender
but i'm pretty sure its the same blue on all of her original skins
polar sky
you guys know how tjorbn eats the lava in the highlight intro, how does he do that do they explain it ?
frosty shell
I'm pretty sure that's non-canon.
pearl blade
^^
whole terrace
So I assume you all already know but since I'm a pleb I need to ask
At the end of the retribution cinematic, right after reaper shoots the dude, Moira is only one who doesn't freak out
I'm assuming it's because she knew about it right?
Wasn't it like a plan she and reaper had to take down ow?
Once again, I'm probably wrong but am wondering
valid shell
@whole terrace There's no confirmed plan between Moira and Reyes to 'take down Overwatch'.
But you aren't far off from the consensus that she was a mole for Talon before the events of Retribution.
whole terrace
Oh
So Moira was more of a "person on the inside"for talon
Completely unrelated to reaper at the time (guessing that later she had a part in convincing him to join talon)
Ty @valid shell for the clarification on that! 😀
rose mountain
Yo
valid shell
@rose mountain Yo.
cunning ledge
Genetically Modified Talon troops (and especially the sniper with the smoke) imply to me that she was already doing a lot for Talon
Perhaps even that she caused Reyes to kill Antonio to not only lead him towards eventually joining Talon but to test out the troops
regal coyote
actually i am under the imression that Moira would sell her research to ANYONE that is willing to pay the right price.
I dont think she has any interest in helping talon at that point, especially not when it comes to internal talon "civil war" so to speak.
But think about it, this is a chance to pit her creations for talon into some field testing.
iron plume
Telon gives her a platform and subjects
she may not be interested in the politics, but she benefits by having them stay active
regal coyote
so I dont think she cares about gabe killing anyone or not, cause she know some field testing is gonna happen one wayor another
hell i would suspect even if gabe DID follow the plan the talon troops may still attack (having serving another leader under the table already) and ignote ani's life
or even just sniper his shit unexpectedly
rose mountain
@valid shell hi
valid shell
Yes?
worthy rose
first
peak escarp
first?
pine isle
second
worthy rose
we went over the topic of mercys age in the other channel
so guess ill be here
feel free to join our age rant
worthy rose
she invented it maybe
worthy rose
wait she did invented it
worthy rose
check the wiki
peak escarp
they made that up
worthy rose
ok fair enough
pine isle
So mercy is 37
worthy rose
but she is a doctor after all
pine isle
So that's why her dance is so lame
peak escarp
Chu has said on multiple occasions that Mercy, Tracer and Mei all age normally
pine isle
How about bastion, does he age normally?
worthy rose
mei aged but her looks remained due to being in an ice
peak escarp
Bastion is a robot
pine isle
Practically a baby
worthy rose
zen is still a young omnic
worthy rose
cant have minors fighting in the game
peak escarp
depends on what the legal age is in your country, but yes
pine isle
18 here
peak escarp
18 is adult here too
worthy rose
same here
peak escarp
she is also a Korean celebrity, and they tend to act childish to gain fans
pure kernel
Disturbing
pine isle
Wait so how old is tracer again?
peak escarp
26
pine isle
wew
peak escarp
she was 19 during Uprising
pine isle
What's with this game and lolis
peak escarp
lolis?
pure kernel
Agree
pine isle
Ok, tracer isn't really loli
worthy rose
widowmaker looks like her age of all the heroes
pine isle
And Ana
worthy rose
sombra is in her thirties
pine isle
oh look, I found someone older than me here, lol
lean silo
Middle-age happens around 45 for me
pine isle
Yeah, 30 can't be middle age
pine isle
That implies 60 is full age
worthy rose
bastion by lore is the oldest
peak escarp
Bastion is 30
worthy rose
if they age
lean silo
Bastion wasn't constructed until the omnic war
er
not that one
the other thing
whatever happened in Germany, I'm out of touch with the lore
peak escarp
it was still the omnic crisis there
peak escarp
it was a global war
lean silo
aye I know that much
just got my dates mixed up
but yeah, Rein was around before that
In fact, I think Reinhardt was born a couple years ago
pine isle
Ana can't be that much younger
lean silo
somewhere out there is a future big boi
Ana's probably around 60
76 and reaper are around the same
late 50s early 60s
peak escarp
based on current assumptions about the timeline, Reinhardt was born in 2015
oblique musk
Yep.
lean silo
oh shit
so reaper's getting born this year
I would ask "but who's the youngest" but we all know it's Orisa.
pine isle
Imagine a baby with shotguns
worthy rose
and i think ana is like 1 or 2 years younger, but not much
peak escarp
if anyone doesn't age normally, it's probably Reaper
pine isle
So Winston has the lifespan of a regular gorilla?
worthy rose
"darling look he's going to say his first words!"
"Die"
pine isle
Or a human lifespan?
worthy rose
he was enhanced right
pine isle
Wait how long do gorillas live
worthy rose
i think he's actually an immortal being
peak escarp
we don't know
pine isle
brb google
worthy rose
here to punish us for our sins
peak escarp
Gorillas live about 30 years, I think
worthy rose
if they live in the wild right
peak escarp
but the genetic enhancements might have increased that, since Winston doesn't act like an elderly gorilla
worthy rose
tracer is like 26 i think
peak escarp
correct
pine isle
Wait if reaper doesn't age normally, does Moira?
peak escarp
Tracer ages normally within her own timeline
worthy rose
he has enhancement as well
she sucks the life out of people
it can only be good for her skin right
pine isle
Vampire confirmed
peak escarp
we don't know if Reaper ages or not - it was just speculation
worthy rose
well he's dead so ya
worthy rose
morrison's an old fart
even reinhardt looks better while being older
he looks like he's about to crumble
lmao
pine isle
I only use his Strike Commander skin, so I don't care xD
worthy rose
venom skin looks badass
pine isle
Eh
worthy rose
reapers cell regenerate and decay at a fast pace
why can't i be lucky with lootboxes
pine isle
The colors could be better
worthy rose
nah i like it
the colors go well together
but i still prefer immortal
because its maybelline
maybe not maybelline
valid shell
#skin-discussion
teal galleon
That Orisa anniversary skin is amazing tho
valid shell
#skin-discussion
worthy rose
channel doesnt exist
peak escarp
#overwatch then
dire timber
Orisa's forest guardian skin is amazing though
anyhow
do you think Doomfist's skin is fully canon?
the outfit definitely is, but what of the gauntlet and the glasses?
maybe another replica?
regal coyote
well, to be fair, lore wise we dont see ANYTHING special about his fist other than it being a bit strong.
It is not like it is something that requires six artifect gems to activate the full power.
So yeah it is fully not unreasonable that he has some backup fists.
lean silo
If you think about the Doomfist
It's not an artifact at all, no
It's literally just special because one dude did good shit with it
Then another dude did terrible shit
Then a third dude killed the second dude and did other awful shit
Like, it isn't like it can't be recreated
drowsy wadi
Its bassicly a weapon no one can recreate
lean silo
It's technology, not magic.
drowsy wadi
If i remember correctly
lean silo
They had it on display.
Literally just disassemble it and figure out what makes it work.
If a human made it, a human can remake it
There are billions of us ;p the odds aren't zero
drowsy wadi
If that was so it would of been remade already then
lean silo
idk why they haven't
they're holding on too hard to this one fist
it has historical significance
that's the reason why
also, ever since DOomfist released, the payload on Numbani has been empty
What are we even escorting?
drowsy wadi
Probably nothing
lean silo
Yeah, it's just like a floating car lmao
Also!
I've had floating payloads allow shatter through
But then ones that aren't floating block it
well, this probs goes in #overwatch
just curious though, I know the game is just an arcade shooter basically but I've seen people propose the idea that it's just a simulator where Overwatch members train lmao
it's not really relevant to any ingame lore, but I dunno, I like the idea of connecting modes that don't make sense to actual game lore
drowsy wadi
Genji isnt with ow right now
limpid agate
WHo have no ties to anyone
drowsy wadi
Or that
lean silo
yeah, honestly most of them don't make sense in any context
they're just kinda
there
like why is this DJ and pro gamer here
yeah dva's also a child soldier and lucio is a rebel
but they're still not really related to Overwatch, there's nothing that ever says they joined it as far as I know
drowsy wadi
Shes not a child soldier
drowsy wadi
Good
lean silo
lmao when I got the game it was like
"pedo playing dva xd"
"dva's older than me??"
"pedo"
some people.
but yeah, there's also Zarya, who's not really related to OW at all
drowsy wadi
But yeah the best way that ow could know of Dva and lucio would prob be files
lean silo
Wasn't Mei at a watchpoint?
Antarctica was a watchpoint and not just a research station, right?
drowsy wadi
Like They might have access to the Korean files
lean silo
i mean i'm sure they have global access to all sorts of things
drowsy wadi
Yeah i think it was a watchpoint
they were watching the tempeture i think
I dont remember the short that well lol
lean silo
Watchpoint: Thermometer.
Literally as the name implies.
Mei was doing climate studies iirc
cunning ledge
they were there investigating climate change stuff
valid shell
The fuck's 'Watchpoint: Thermometer'?
iron plume
I don't know, I just know it scares me
valid shell
@worthy rose We don't know.
worthy rose
I guess I'll never do that drawing
valid shell
You can guess.
valid shell
@terse smelt ?
terse smelt
@valid shell YES
terse smelt
no its apart of the overwatch lore
limpid agate
Shitposting will result in a loss of access
This is your final warning @terse smelt
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
peak escarp
Aww, I missed it
Learning that Lucio's father was a Vishkar employee has made me even more eager to learn about other heroes' parents/families
Like Angela's parents - what did they do? Was it something that put them on the front lines? Or were they civilian casualties?
Her situation reminds me of Winry from FMA, so I have to try hard not to assume her parents were also doctors
long token
I really want to learn more about lucio's backstory
I think I would prefer any single animated short over getting 100 new cosmetic items
limpid agate
I think the cosmetics are cheaper
And bring in more revenue
Unless they find a way to monotize the lore
Im gonna keep expecting it to come in at a minimal rate when they feel like it
limpid agate
@worthy rose What parts are monotized
And what do you mean
Like no new Zen lore
That doesnt have anything to do with the first point
slow furnace
Well,there is nothing about Zen,because his character doesn't sell as much as,idk,D.Va.Maybe it's a factor.
worthy rose
I guess you meant monetize
limpid agate
Yes
Monetize
Unless they find a way to monetize it
We're just gonna keep getting next to nothing
worthy rose
lore dlc for $50
limpid agate
Elaborate
slow furnace
Lore solo campaign.
peak escarp
I'd pay for comics/novels/an animated series if it meant more lore more often
slow furnace
Like,a Uprising/Retribution style mission for each hero's lore.
Purchasable individually for X€
limpid agate
For $X
Sure
That would be a way to add more content to the lore and game for money
slow furnace
X€.Foite me m8.
limpid agate
But thats the only option really
worthy rose
they are just pumping owl really hard
worthy rose
well they gonna make lore into the game which originally doesn't have it
peak escarp
how can you know the lore doesn't make money?
they haven't tried selling us things for the lore yet
limpid agate
How do I know it doesnt make money?
Because
List all the lore I can buy
Or spend money on
In the history of Overwatch
peak escarp
that's my point
they haven't tried selling us lore
so maybe it's a goldmine waiting to be tapped
peak escarp
fair point
right now the only lore content available for purchase are the Comic anthology vol. 1 and the Art of Overwatch
and the comics are the same as the ones posted for free online
paper olive
I do not agree with this, I feel like the lore has brought many people into buying the game
Also, I don't think they are not expanding the lore because of monetizing issues, but because by expanding it slowly it creates way more hype
valid shell
@paper olive I guarantee that no matter how many people buy Overwatch because of the lore, and how many loot boxes those people buy, it will never even hope to coming CLOSE to the amount of money Blizzard has spent on making those comics, shorts, paying their voice actors, etc.
dawn canopy
dire timber
quick response
valid shell
@dawn canopy Thank you.
worthy rose
Cc ca va it's french
valid shell
@worthy rose ?
regal coyote
Yes and no.
worthy rose
sir are you having a seizure
regal coyote
In a way if there is some cool design on lore people would want it, as we do see in the skins. which means they can make soem cool ass design, hype it in lore, and then make PHYSICAL MODELS out of it for money.
kinda like thsoe yeti slippers.
or as we know, those puchimari dolls
rustic cradle
low axle
Don't they have the yeti slippers in the merch store
valid shell
#marketing-discussion
worthy rose
#binge-discussion
valid shell
God I wish.
iron plume
I can make u one on my splinter
stupid shit aside, it does mean there's some lore-born stuff that makes direct profit
but still not close to most other aspects
golden urchin
Did widowmaker ever even lose her emotions
Like, she still feels rage, hatred, she smiles.
That's still emotions.
pure kernel
I dont see her as emotionless, just ruthless
But they did slow down her heart rate
So she could snipe
Since snipin's a gud job
minor harness
I believe that junkrat is a god and he is in a form of a human to judge them apon there skill
Anyone?
valid shell
@minor harness No.
valid shell
K.
peak escarp
well that was random
untold cradle
well guess i might aswell drop my big question pertaining to OW: what is the doomfist exactly?
like the original doomfist wielder had brass knuckles as his doomfist, and the scourge and successor had theirs as a gauntlet
how does that translate in terms of technology?
peak escarp
at this point the Doomfist is more of a category of weapon rather than a unique item
untold cradle
is it like a body implant or some sort of invisible power source
peak escarp
it's a powered gauntlet
untold cradle
but by what
peak escarp
we haven't been told
untold cradle
its like one of the most influential pieces of weaponry in the universe, and we still barely know anything about it
peak escarp
we barely know anything about a lot of things
untold cradle
we probably won't get lore on it for another few years...
peak escarp
and it's not really relevant to the story, so I don't think they'll explain it
at most, they'll just give a quick answer and leave it at that
untold cradle
i mean if they bring up like the savior's backstory or somethin
untold cradle
meh, i'd imagine its some sort of infinite power source since we haven't seen anything in universe that can do the type of things the doomfist can
gauntlet is probably just something to channel the energy
like the knuckles
valid shell
@untold cradle Despite the mystique surrounding it, it's probably comparable to Genji's Ryū ichimonji, or McCree's Peacekeeper.
Just a unique and exceptional weapon.
untold cradle
yep
broken sand
doomfist (weapon) is like a legendary artifact forged by the gods aeons ago in the core of a star or something
and it can't kill a pig with a vape
limpid agate
Shitposting will result in a loss of access @broken sand
broken sand
who's shitposting?
limpid agate
You
broken sand
my bad
i thought this was the lore channel
i'll go talk about the story behind doomfist in offtopic instead
broken sand
i just made an exaggerated speculation
because they heavily imply the fist has great power
gee
limpid agate
Its not the Infinity Gauntlet.
Serious discussion strictly related to lore.
This is your final warning.
broken sand
so no speculations, only hard facts, gotcha
peak escarp
speculations are fine as long as you've got something to base it off of
speculations that come out of nowhere are frowned upon
broken sand
but a speculation is a theory without firm evidence
and i based it off the fact that they made it seem like some amazing artifact before doomfist actually came out
it's probably not infinity gauntlet though
peak escarp
yes, but the rest of your speculation ignores the currently established rules of the OW universe
broken sand
looking at roadhog's hook i think it's fair to say the ow universe isn't governed by the same rules and laws of physics as ours 
worthy rose
noone said anything about physics lmao
peak escarp
no, but there are no legendary artifacts forged by the gods
the Doomfist gauntlet was made by human hands
limpid agate
Gameplay != Lore
And if you can find me a single source for any of your speculation
I'll permit it
Otherwise, its all crack
There is negative lore to suggest any of what you said was true.
legendary artifact forged by the gods aeons ago in the core of a star or something
The first two words are debatable, and that's about it for its validity
limpid agate
Dont waste my time.
broken sand
well sorry, let's agree to disagree
broken sand
do you think hanzo's storm arrows are canon or does he still have scatter in the lore?
broken sand
are spirit dragons explained at all or is it just magic?
broken sand
i suppose magic by definition is something we don't understand so that statement isn't wrong
pine isle
I think you're in the wrong channel lol
valid shell
@lean silo #overwatch
broken sand
is in-game chat canon? 
broken sand
what if it's michael chu talking in chat 
terse oak
Unless he makes some kind of revelation regarding lore then no
Come on man you know this is shitposting
valid shell
I'm assuming you meant in-game interactions?
valid shell
Wh
Why would video game players chatting be canon.
How would that ever make sense.
broken sand
if you actually wanna discuss this
valid shell
You brought it up.
broken sand
i called it postmodern because, ultimately, if devs said it was canon
we wouldn't be able to argue against it
broken sand
okay
regal coyote
aactually there is NO PROOF doomfist gauntlet is amde by human hands.
But yes it is NOT ALIEN, and is made in solar system
But yes it can well be built by omnics or robots.
muted rune
Does reaper have a black hole of guns in his stomach?
lean silo
reaper carries 3D printers in his coat.
Doesn't he toss his guns away in the shorts though?
Nothing about the person above me does not confuse me
muted rune
3D printer......
regal coyote
@short scaffold spam ppl alert
muted rune
^°^ <-- is that aloud?
short scaffold
[Serious] Discussion strictly related to the Lore of Overwatch. Fanfiction is not canon and should not be discussed here. Shitposting will result in loss of access.
Not relevant to this channel @worthy rose
muted rune
Ok
short scaffold
Last warning. Keep the channel serious and on topic
cunning ledge
Reaper can actually generate guns from out his body
It's all but explicitly shown
I could give some evidence but consider this
If he can de- and regenerate his body and clothes
Why not his guns
It's not actually a leap in assumptions
yes, he can
so @short scaffold it is basically canon that he has unlimited guns
short scaffold
fair enough i suppose
regal coyote
hence, lore wise so far reaper would be strongest when it coems to combat ability
cunning ledge
that too
muted rune
Sooo, if he can de/re gen his body/cloths he can do that with any accessories too, including guns and ammo..
regal coyote
assume sombra cannot yet hack nano (and we dont know if she kniwingly lose to zarya)
cunning ledge
he's immortal, can't be killed in any physical way (so far), and has unlimited guns/ammo
muted rune
Oh dam
cunning ledge
we don't know if there's limits to his regeneration or physical item generation
regal coyote
also assume queen moira cannot deactivete reaper things
muted rune
Soldier 27 is op
cunning ledge
27?
regal coyote
actually we KNOW there are limits, in the sense that he does need building material, as he he did drrain victims of materials.
regal coyote
S24 is old gabe's odename
cunning ledge
@worthy rose ?
muted rune
I was meant to say 24 >.>
regal coyote
so technically if you keep hitting on reaper without resupply material (or souls as in the old game mechanics) then eventually reaper is going to warn out
regal coyote
but we dont know the rate at which this happens, and with wrath form he seem to be able to get away with msot physical damage
so yeah he is hard o kill
muted rune
Yes
cunning ledge
what
muted rune
@worthy rose #overwatch
cunning ledge
every character is free to play
regal coyote
what you tryna date him?
muted rune
Back to lore >.>
Wait. So if moira were to have given reaper his abilities, should moira beable to have infinate supplies of everything, if she has a source of matierials
muted rune
Shh
regal coyote
in a way yes
muted rune
Free
cunning ledge
@worthy rose reaper is free, now take it to #overwatch
regal coyote
moira have a whole top notch research city she can use
but also there is so much material you can carry. this aint skyrom you cant carry 99 swords
muted rune
Moira can shadow step, which means she has a similar physicality to reaper
regal coyote
that is not yet canon confirmed
cunning ledge
^
regal coyote
only her draining ability is confirmed
muted rune
Fair
cunning ledge
the ability in-game is similar to shadow step, which is obviously intended to show their relationship in the lore
but it's not canon yet
muted rune
Ye
regal coyote
obviously moira would have way more control over nano things, but she is also much much less capable in combat than reaper
Also, i think it is non-canon that reaper's shotgun attacks can cause fire, despite the animation
i think the new animation should be considered 100% non-canon
includeing the "making of video"
short scaffold
of course the stop motion one is non canon
I didn't realise people would've thought otherwise