Oh nooo.
#lore-discussion
valid shell
severe oxide
But again, your point about "let's not assign religions to people" is pretty whack. Religion and ethnicity are part of cultural identity. Making a character Muslim is as valid as making them black or gay
valid shell
Hey, I'm not against the heroes being religious.
I'm saying let's not default them to Muslim because it's prominent in their country.
severe oxide
Occam's razor really. Also again, I'm talking about ethnical and cultural identity. Lots of people belong to a religious ethnicity without being religious themselves
Hell many Jewish people are atheists but still call themselves jews
valid shell
Still, please don't take my words out of context and try to demonize me by implying I don't want any heroes to be religious.
severe oxide
No I know what you mean
You're saying we shouldn't assume beliefs from appearance
But I'm moreso talking about cultural identity than held beliefs
Ana might not pray five times a day, but she still has elements of Muslim culture in her
valid shell
Germany has a Christian majority, and the Crusaders are based in name off a religious order, but I wouldn't go saying that Reinhardt is Christian just because it fits.
I'm going to wait until word from Blizzard.
And I've been looking, and I haven't found anything about Muslim being an ethnicity.
severe oxide
That seems unlikely
quasi schooner
Did you guys figure out the name stuff?
valid shell
@quasi schooner What name stuff?
quasi schooner
For doom fist
quasi schooner
O yeh. What about the Petra emails?
cunning ledge
Someone commented on my post saying that they personally know someone called Faisal Hamid, too
So that's a thing
worthy rose
Faisal is an Arabic name
valid shell
@worthy rose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_(name)
cunning ledge
Someone in the other server suggested it could be a company name
But I'm not sure about that
(The theory was based on the fact that the name appears on multiple bags)
worthy rose
maybe it's the Greek thingy
valid shell
Greek is much more likely.
Considering the lack of Ilios hero and all the Greek statues that have been turning up lately.
cunning ledge
Agreed
worthy rose
eventually, the story will unfold
cunning ledge
Looks to me there's a possibility of a Greek hero or a middle eastern hero coming out of this
It would actually be amazing if it's Greek hero with ties to Oasis and therefore Talon because Ilios could have a much stronger connection than just the map being in the country
valid shell
I wouldn't mind a Greek hero who operates from Oasis.
Since Moira's moreso a Talon hero than an Oasis hero.
cunning ledge
Maybe talon's funding of oasis has forced them to start recruiting more scientists from around the world for their projects?
Could be introduced like that
valid shell
I don't think Talon funds Oasis.
If they did, Sanjay getting a Vishkar presence in Oasis would be ez.
cunning ledge
yep
valid shell
So that checks out.
valid shell
No, no no no
I mean Talon funding it checks out.
Sorry, I was unclear.
I'm agreeing with you.
valid shell
Cool.
cunning ledge
what do you think of hamid 28, incidentally?
if we get another mention of the name at any point in the future I'll be convinced he's the next hero
timid eagle
I would be fine if they keep him checked for Winston's lore.
cunning ledge
?
timid eagle
If they introduce him in a comic and they explore WHO Hamid is, then I might be down for him being a hero.
cunning ledge
or just Orisa style stuff
showing what projects he's been on
actually a very good opportunity to do it by changing stuff on the maps
just add his name to a random piece of paper on ilios or something
willow fiber
achoo
bitter snow
Just gonna jump in here real quick, seeing as you guys also know stuff.
Lookin' at the Soldier 24 guns, they have 'US something ALLOY* and that's all I've been able to see. Anyone know where I can get the actual words?
It's too blurred on Xbox for me to see, even zoomed. (Leads me to believe there's an unpatched texture glitch)
valid shell
@willow fiber ?
worthy rose
So, if that Lucio thingy is true, he didn't actually committed a crime by stealing the tech?
valid shell
@worthy rose It is true.
bitter snow
still waiting for them to release more lucio / symmetra conflict lore.
severe oxide
Aren't we all
dire timber
@severe oxide It's likely that Ana is Muslim, but it is not confirmed
Jack is also implied to be a Christian, through the dog tag on his Night Ops / Commando skins
Reyes is non-religious, as indicated by the dog tag on his Soldier: 24 skin
anyhow, "Muslim" definitely refers to the religion, but it's occasionally used synonymously with "Arab"
so while the correct usage of the term is explicitly religious in definition, it's also often used to refer to ethnicity
cunning ledge
that's what I've always thought, too
valid shell
Then it's best to use Muslim to refer to those who practice Islam, and Arab for Middle-Eastern.
dire timber
yeah, I agree there
anyhow, my bet is that Hamid Faisal is 28, and that he's a middle eastern archeologist affiliated with Oasis
as I said before
cunning ledge
same
valid shell
B-B-B-BUT JETPACK HAMMOND
cunning ledge
although I'm also going with the wild prediction that it ties into a new storyline about neo overwatch investigating the talon sponsored oasis digs in ilios
cunning ledge
if there are any changes to any of the dig site maps
or a Hamid namedrop anywhere
I'm taking that as absolute proof of Hamid as a hero
valid shell
I'd like another codename hero.
dire timber
well, we did have Doomfist and Sombra
but Doomfists's real name is publicly known to everyone, and Sombra was a bit of a nobody
gilded gulch
whats the company doing the excavation in petra?
valid shell
The equipment has the Oasis crest on it, correct?
gilded gulch
oh i didnt know what it was
dire timber
the excavation is an Oasis initiative
lusty vapor
My first thought with it was junkrats treasure
dire timber
his work is owned and patented by Vishkar
lusty vapor
But probably ancient tech/ancient history in general
golden urchin
so did they steal his work or did he sell it to them
dire timber
so, it's probable that he was working for Vishkar at the time
only for them to use it for stuff like crowd control
golden urchin
that’s actually good character development for lucio
lusty vapor
Every character in the game has been hinted at by maps right?
dire timber
not really
lusty vapor
Besides maybe brigette and moira
dire timber
erm, I mean
golden urchin
and orisa
golden urchin
i mean efi was hinted at
dire timber
uh
golden urchin
because efi built orisa but yeah
dire timber
ah, you mean, changes to the map hinting at a character
golden urchin
not that efi will b a hero
lusty vapor
I think it isn't a good bet to do it solely off of maps, but then again the last two haven't been map related
dire timber
like Sombra in newspapers, or Shrike pictres?
golden urchin
yeah
dire timber
we had Soldier:24 file in Oasis, and Reaper referencing a friend
golden urchin
ooo we just didn’t know who soldier 24 was
golden urchin
also the robots being crushed up was doomfist
dire timber
... fire based character?
golden urchin
also mei starts crying in the new voice interaction with moira
lusty vapor
Just because we have nothing fire related yet just a thought
dire timber
yeah
dire timber
really doubtful
lusty vapor
Hopefully next hero is tank
lusty vapor
Please no
golden urchin
we haven’t gotten a new defense hero since the launch of the game
lusty vapor
We need something to shake up tanks
golden urchin
why
lusty vapor
Sym will be a new def hero
golden urchin
cool we had 2 supports in a row let’s keep the streak of defense now
and sym WILL shake up the tanks
lusty vapor
I'm betting the next will be tank or defense
golden urchin
it will most likely be defense
lusty vapor
Why
golden urchin
unless a person comes out of nowhere
we have the name hamid but we probably won’t see him at all
lusty vapor
What would this defense hero even do
golden urchin
why does that matter
lusty vapor
Curious
golden urchin
why speculate on the abilities
lusty vapor
Because it's fun
iron plume
gameplay discussion is also not a theme for this channel
lusty vapor
k
lusty vapor
I hope it's not a biotic Antonio as a tank
Though maybe they could get me to like him more
iron plume
it won't be Antonio
despite the "no one actually dies" meme, we haven't actually seen people who we knew were dead come back
lusty vapor
What's the gel on oasis
The black orb the machines are working on in spawn
And if we get a new defense the queen of junkertown could be fun
golden urchin
Genetic stuff most likely
iron plume
it's ferrofluid
golden urchin
care to explain what that is
iron plume
maybe it's not "supposed" to be
but the design is 100% ferrofluid
lusty vapor
What's ferrofluid
iron plume
lusty vapor
Could be what's used for Sym to make constructs
golden urchin
i think you just didn’t know
lusty vapor
think what you want hatred man
I need to read that one Zarya comic
What's the robot she's with all about besides being a hacker
iron plume
he looks for sombra
lusty vapor
Ah okay
worthy rose
the robot is lynx 17
valid shell
@lusty vapor You could always
You know.
Read it.
I forgot until now that there's always been an archaeological tablet being studied in Oasis.
safe sun
I'm making a reddit post with all of them
I extracted the voice lines and I'm comparing them with previous patches & linking them together
very tedious work but hope people will appreciate it :)
safe sun
TIL pharah's father is called Sam
echo snow
There's another server?
cunning ledge
I'll dm you
limpid agate
DM me too.
safe sun
lol
regal coyote
dm mee too?@cunning ledge
safe sun
iron plume
Karahe's gonna have a heart attack from all the people joining
cunning ledge
oof
cunning ledge
@regal coyote you're already in it lol
regal coyote
:3
valid shell
@grand swallow Are you confused about being new?
potent vault
Dm me
peak escarp
did you have any specific questions about the lore?
grand swallow
Nope
cunning ledge
have you read all the lore?
opal bay
Is there a specific discord to join just for lore and speculation?
valid shell
Probably.
cunning ledge
guess I'm dming everyone now huh
opal bay
low axle
@cunning ledge you can dm me anytime bigboy ❤
cunning ledge
t-thanks
safe sun
yes hi @cunning ledge I'd like what he had
upbeat knot
does genji has a pen15
cunning ledge
yes
upbeat knot
ok
upbeat knot
kappapride
cunning ledge
there's no reason to since it will never be brought up or referred to again
low axle
No apparently some bigwig in an interview said it doctor six
cunning ledge
so feel free I guess
@low axle Chu said it
that's the point
Doctor doesn't want to believe Chu's shitpost lore
iron plume
Mercy has literally everyone else
peak escarp
I know they said it in an interview
but iirc it was a foreign language interview that had to be translated, so there's a chance of translation error
low axle
True he might have meant that he has a cybernetic one:P
iron plume
yeah it was an indian site
iron plume
he didn't mean cybernetic one
iron plume
"We all know that parts of Genji are cybernetic, we wanna know if his "lower parts" are too? If yes, would he have trouble going to the toilet? "If you look at Genji's Blackwatch skin you could see that part of his body is missing, but I confirm his "lower half" is still intact and "normal"."
cunning ledge
canon lore, folks
peak escarp
that's extremely vague
regal coyote
Yes, canon lore, from the mouth of Chu even.
peak escarp
"lower half" could just mean lower torso, not specifically his penis
iron plume
lower half means anything under torso
low axle
Yea Lower parts could mean alot of things. We need someone to ask at Blizzcon outright if Genji has a penis
iron plume
"lower half" means dick
regal coyote
lower half is the indian way of calling genital, due to cencorship
iron plume
it's not gonna get brought up though
low axle
I dunno some wow Rper flat out asked ifWarlocks would be allowed to have pets in town once ICly
to which the answer was no
😛
low axle
yep
cunning ledge
I have no idea what you just said
cunning ledge
WoW?
iron plume
his point is sillier questions have been asked to writers
peak escarp
you could try Chu's Twitter, but he doesn't answer a lot of questions
buoyant thunder
Are Junkrat and Roadhog from New Zealand or Australia
peak escarp
officially, Australia
but Roadhog has a lot of reference that indicate he might be of Maori descent
cunning ledge
also important to note that even if he is from NZ, he considered australia as his home at some point
"Mako watched as his home became an apocalyptic wasteland, and he was forever changed."
buoyant thunder
Okay thanks
dire timber
Lúcio: Vishkar’s using you! Just like they used my father. Yeah you just wait, you’ll see.
Symmetra: Your father was a Vishkar employee. He understood our company’s vision. A shame he never educated you.
confirmed to be a Vishkar employee then
cunning ledge
ok this has to be a cinematic tease at this point
dire timber
the idea I had in mind is a Symmetra cinematic
with Sanjay and Lucio
but if that's what it's going to be, then Lucio's chances of appearing have gone up by a lot
... still, we don't really have Lucio/Symmetra related maps
Rio barely counts
dire timber
I can't wait to see an animated Sanjay
cunning ledge
maybe lucio's dad in voice only
yeah same tbh
seeing cinematic sanjay with a brigitte style visual change would make him a better hero prediction too
limpid agate
Symmetra: We do not need an army to keep the peace– we prefer our own.
^ this
limpid agate
Lots of them are written here
But I wanna hear some of them
McCree: Always admired yours. Figured I’d get one of my own.
Guessing his arm was lost after Overwatch shut down
If Torb doesnt know
limpid agate
Could be
Sym also doesn't seem to like Omnics much. Or at least not hold them in high regard.
Symmetra: Hmph. To be lectured about chaos and disorder from a machine.
Also
Whats this
Tracer: That’s a difficult question, Orisa. I think there are times when you just have to do what’s right.
Us
What
cunning ledge
woah
limpid agate
Why is she saying us
cunning ledge
thats a thonk
Orisa joining neo overwatch
amazing
unless she just means "protagonistic vigilantes"
limpid agate
I didnt think she was illegal in Numbani
And she certainly isnt breaking the Petras Act
cunning ledge
the "us" part has to mean something in canon
peak escarp
I think Orisa is asking in a hypothetical sense
she hasn't gone outside the law yet, but she may be faced with that decision in the future and wants to know if it's ever okay
cunning ledge
here's one that isn't on that page
oh wait I can't upload
hang on a second
It's Pharah saying "And mess it up with with a bunch of scrap metal bolted on the side? No thanks, I like it how it is"
this was datamined without context
I feel it's gotta be Junkrat asking to modify/borrow the Raptora suit?
if anyone wants audio proof I can dm the the file or whatever
limpid agate
Sometimes they change old interactions
I was thinking it might be related to Torb
But I dont think he has one he starts
cunning ledge
there's one she starts isn't there
but none that he starts against her in the context of equipment/technology
cunning ledge
so today on being impressed at blizzard effort
they re-recorded reinhardt prouncing brigitte wrong so it's correct
dire timber
@limpid agate some lines have some errors
for example, Symmetra says "our order", not "our own"
limpid agate
That changes a lot
dire timber
or Genji's response
regal coyote
"you need healing" is a line now, just remember.
Blizz knows how to ride the meme train
cunning ledge
pls
worthy rose
Ok what in the world is the symbol on the tent in the new map petra?!
peak escarp
it's our next mystery
limpid agate
We dont know
All we know is it is related to Hamid Faisal
An adventurer and explorer with ties to Oasis.
runic prairie
Mercy has a voiceline that says "Lucio, ive got to tell you. Do you know your dad was the one who invented Vishkar's technologies?"
is this uh
new this patch
i just got it and im currently throwing shit everywhere
cunning ledge
also the youtube video I just linked
runic prairie
I lost my shit a few seconds ago hearing that so
Pharah: Mum… don’t you think it’s time you told Sam you’re alive?
•Ana: You let me worry about what your father needs to know.
Oh hi
we got a name for Pharah's dad/Ana's wife.
peak escarp
we've heard it before
runic prairie
i hadnt till today, i didnt know about these
Im happy now. we got a lot of good lore recently
peak escarp
Chu mentioned it in an offhand comment at the Blizzcon 2017 United Nations of Overwatch panel
runic prairie
shhh im slow
runic prairie
Blizzard, casually dropping lore into the game
valid shell
They sure love their three-letter side-character names.
Sam, Ray, Fio.
I'm surprised Emily wasn't Amy.
cunning ledge
Implying Ray is a thing
peak escarp
easy to toss out in the gaps between conversation in order to get a reaction
meager wharf
The first two are also pretty common names
valid shell
Ray is?
grand swallow
Hi
haughty sluice
i was doing some stuff and i realised it wouldnt make sense for hera and aphrodite to be ai's of the same type as athena as winston created athena as a personal assistant
so unless hera and aphrodite were something to do with testing ai's that winston made then they are likely irrelevant
peak escarp
the Hera and Aphrodite statues have been seen in-game
Hera is at the end of the Rialto map in the Talon HQ, and Aphrodite is in Chateau Guillard, Widowmaker's house
this reinforces the idea that they're being funded/backed by Talon
valid shell
Honestly, I'd be fine with the Greek statues just being valuable af.
No secret ancient tech, no God AIs trapped inside, nothing.
grand swallow
😑
valid shell
@grand swallow ?
grand swallow
Dw
valid shell
I'm confused.
grand swallow
I'm tired
dire timber
@valid shell that's what I'm thinking as well
I don't know why everyone is trying to turn them into some technological McGuffin
timid eagle
My favourite interaction is with Pharah talking to Brigitte and Torb.
It's hilarious that she has 100% faith in Brigitte fixing her Raptorian armour, but she flatly refuses Torb to fine tune it with "scrap metal and plates".
valid shell
@prisma wren Yo.
prisma wren
Oh i remember you
timid eagle
Is Moira being insensitive, or is she being deliberate with regards to Mei's former colleagues?
prisma wren
what are you talking about?
timid eagle
Moira: "Dr. Zhao, I'm interested in your colleagues' research into the long term effects of cryogenic freezing."
Mei: "Well... yes... I'm sure... Maybe..."
sniffles
cries
Winston also has an interaction with Mei if you have both of them on ECO Point: Antarctica.
valid shell
I don't think she's being insensitive, because Moira kind of lacks the moral capacity to recognize that it's a sore spot.
She just sees it as, "Oh cool cryo can last nine years."
worthy rose
so anyone knows what happen in petra? or petras act name is just a coincident
limpid agate
@worthy rose Director Petras is a person.
He is named after a Blizzard Employee
Petra is a real place in Jordan
Its just coincidence
worthy rose
and everyone onboard the symmetra hate train?
limpid agate
?
limpid agate
What do you mean by hate train
limpid agate
Also its 3(?) people she has new interactions with
worthy rose
lucio dommfist and?
limpid agate
Lucio (the antagonist to her story), Doomfist (She doesn't know he's her boss' boss, just that he is a chaotic villain), and Zenyatta (Turns out she's racist)
worthy rose
oh zen
limpid agate
She has a line with Hanzo
But its neutral
Hanzo: I sense a kindred spirit.
The only other hero she ever had an interaction with was Torb
And that's because the two are polar opposites in personality, but are both builders
worthy rose
no you are not hanzo, you and sym are not on the same page. one grown in a vacuum and you experienced murder your brother and lose all family heir
limpid agate
Both were raised by criminal organizations to follow their system of beliefs and obey without question.
Hanzo left his path, Sym hasn't.
timid eagle
@valid shell But wouldn't word about Mei's dead co-workers be brought to light?
limpid agate
Thats not the problem
Moira wants the Cryogenic research
She probably knows her friends are dead
But doesn't care
She just wants the science
timid eagle
Well, she's definitely going at it the wrong way, 'cause if Mei was hesitant before, she ain't going to spill the beans now.
fading oriole
are you trying to suggest that Vishkar is an criminal organization?
rare osprey
I mean didn’t they treat the people in Rio de Janeiro as slaves which then caused Lúcio to rise against them and force them out
Kinda antagonistic
iron plume
uh
no, they didn't
peak escarp
they exploited them for cheap labour
iron plume
They're an authoritarian organization and they suppressed people
but it's not slavery
also, if the Rio stadium map is anything to be believed, "forced them out" is a bit of an exaggeration
peak escarp
"Vishkar imposed controls on the residents in the name of building a more orderly society: enforcing curfews, cracking down on what the company perceived as lawless behavior, and exploiting the populace as a cheap labor force."
they didn't force the people out, they just controlled them
iron plume
so, "evil corporation"
fading oriole
"evil" is a fickle word
fading oriole
anything can be evil depending on who is calling it
peak escarp
not evil per se, but authoritarian definitely
fading oriole
authoritarian for sure, but consider the state of the world at this point in time
iron plume
it's a fictional story
and in that story, Vishkar are undeniably presented as evil
peak escarp
Vishkar is doing it for the greater good, but the people see it as foreigners coming in and telling them how to live
iron plume
they have their reasons, but they are "the bad guys" as the storytelling is concerned
fading oriole
I'm not convinced
peak escarp
I wouldn't consider Vishkar as "the bad guys"
fading oriole
far from it, to be honest
at which point you might as well consider Overwatch itself as "the bad guys" too if you want to get technical
peak escarp
Vishkar just wants order
iron plume
and to profit from non-voluntary workers
fading oriole
you make it sound like no other organizations have done this
iron plume
how does someone else doing this make it better, exactly?
fading oriole
I think you're approaching it with a singular mindset of "they are doing things I consider inhumane, therefore they are evil and they only want the worst case scenarios"
iron plume
jesus fucking christ
sure, if you want to ignore or sidetrack everything I actually said, I am approaching it with that mindset
also can't help but notice how you haven't actually provided an argument for them being anything but evil
iron plume
funny you should mention that
fading oriole
"evil" is a fickle word, and general dictates that a lot of the organizations and companies in Overwatch (the game) have done similar to what Vishkar does
take Talon for example, aren't they painted as the big bad guys that need to be stopped?
iron plume
"fickle word" gets us nowhere
they aren't holding their hands menacingly or whatever you think the definition of evil is
fading oriole
do you consider them "evil" as well?
iron plume
but if that's the rigidity you're applying, you can't apply any definition to anything
do you not?
fading oriole
oh no, you most certainly can apply them
quasi schooner
Besides it ,after says that lucio uses music for the greater good, but he fights against them, so they are presented as evil. Besides, who can hate good music?
regal coyote
Ok, no denying Vishkar is set up to be a typical cyberpunk style "evil corp"
It is a type of slavery yes, but other than that it is nothing special
think of them as Lawful Evil Organization.
quasi schooner
Not really slavery, but I would say unofficial jobs
regal coyote
the can by all means tweak labour laws to their advantage
and charge people in their area utilities that basically make them work for free
iron plume
"company store" is a common thing for those as well
where instead of proper money they pay in their own "value" which you can only spend back with them
quasi schooner
And theirs no contract either
regal coyote
Serious question. How is the relationship with Pharah/Ana/Sam really. Pharah calling him Sam directly instead of Dad?
dire timber
@fading oriole the whole "evil is totally arbitrary" is a flawed mindset
and one that's counter-productive to proper analysis
the Empire from Star Wars is evil, there's no two ways about it
lean silo
you need to define evil first
most people kinda think "he do a thing that bad, he evil"
dire timber
uh, do you?
lean silo
yes, if you want to have a productive discussion about it
you can't have a productive discussion about something subjective.
it's not rational
dire timber
it's a pretty simple, and intuitive concept
lean silo
it's still subjective.
we'd both agree that going around blowing up kittens is evil
but you might not see anything wrong with oil
whereas I do
dire timber
uh
regal coyote
ok, yes for some organization there is benefit of the doubt
but for overwatch it is msotly a superhero story, some of the organizations are meant to be treated as evil
iron plume
evil doesn't mean 100% menacing-moustache-twirling for the hell of it
dire timber
^
iron plume
some people bring up that they restore order, and that's their reason
dire timber
" I think you're approaching it with a singular mindset of "they are doing things I consider inhumane, therefore they are evil and they only want the worst case scenarios" "
iron plume
like, okay
that doesn't make them not fucking evil
lean silo
that's why I'm saying we need to define it properly.
dire timber
jesus fucking christ
regal coyote
as i call it lawful evil
dire timber
yeah, no
lean silo
that's exactly why I'm saying we need to define it lol
if we can't agree on a definition we can't agree on what would be done about it
regal coyote
and on that, it makes sense, since lui is totally chaotic good
dire timber
I despise literal villain apologists
lean silo
ofc if you can't red-tape your way through it, that's when you go total chaotic good and start ignoring things like "laws"
(^:
regal coyote
ok ok there can be organizations that are in between, the junkers for example
i mean if someone decide to just gift my house to someone else, i would murder that fucker, legal or not. revenge is must
iron plume
Junkers is a weird case
because like, if you consider their actions
they're a massive menace, and they do it essentially for profit
which would put them squarely into evil territory
but because they're also comic relief, they get away with it
quasi schooner
^
lean silo
well that's the thing
dire timber
@fading oriole villains with "good" intentions are thing
lean silo
irl, it wouldn't be funny
dire timber
a quite common thing
regal coyote
well, if you dont consider omnic humns, and found that your whole fucking town now belongs to them and the government sells you out you would take revenge too. and i am sure they dont expect the fallout to be that big either
lean silo
it's a game/comic/etc
dire timber
they're still villains
quasi schooner
But they are only criminals as they never really tried to harm anyone except the queen
regal coyote
i would consider junkers as a whoel chaotic neutral.
iron plume
Junkrat is trying to get more shit
iron plume
I'd put them into chaotic evil
regal coyote
the junker queen might be evil, but she is a more recent leader of junkers
quasi schooner
Yeh, chaotic neutral on the outside, but almost chaotic evil on the inside
dire timber
D&D alignments don't work that way
"chaotic" doesn't refer to a chaotic attitude necessarily
regal coyote
^
dire timber
but rather, whether they adhere to a set of rules
regal coyote
yes chaotic
iron plume
maybe rat more than hog
dire timber
I'd say Roadhog would be neutral evil instead
regal coyote
but just because you go "fuck rules" does not mean you are evil
iron plume
no, what makes you evil is destruction and murder for selfish reasons
dire timber
Idk, to be honest, I find D&D alignments to be a pretty useless quantifier of character personalities
quasi schooner
Nah, road hog is a solid bad, not chaotic, not evil, just bad
iron plume
it's a decent framing for how they're positioned in the story
dire timber
Roadhog mostly just hates the world, and wants to "get even" with it
iron plume
not so much for the character itself
regal coyote
getting even is not evil, roadie is evil cause he enjoys seeing the world burn and suffer
regal coyote
on the other hand while junkrabbit is chaotic, even mroe so, he is probably just neutral. he did not knwo better, and in general he just take things like a junker and trash omnics which are not humans
lucio is pro9bably brought up in a mroe loving enviro than junkrat, by far
iron plume
it was in the favelas
although the bio mentions a 'tight knit community"
regal coyote
^
iron plume
so maybe it was the magical poor-people-are-inherently-moral kind of favelas
regal coyote
even if it is not the magical favelas
it is at least a tight knit normal society
junkrat grew up in mad max without the chrome
basically he lives in thunderdome, with explosives no less
iron plume
it's a mystery
and i think that's kinda the point
zenith hill
dangit I hate cliffhangovers
iron plume
cliffhangers?
zenith hill
it's a joke
iron plume
uuuhkay
also it's less of a cliffhanger (which promises a reveal later) and more of a deliberate unknown
like the case in Pulp Fiction
zenith hill
it's a playon word
cunning ledge
from the new skin
zenith hill
captain junk sparrow
cunning ledge
turn it into a song or something and it probably leads to the treasure
also this
zenith hill
probably my favorite skin in the game, and I'm not being bias. I barely even play junkrat
cunning ledge
if anything's going to be a junkrat's treasure related clue it's these maps
worthy rose
the case in pulp fiction only had a 60w bulb inside it
iron plume
well yeah, filmmaking-wise
not in story
it's like saying Junk's treasure is a textured polygon
technically true but also misses the point
formal holly
who do you think is gonna be the next hero?
broken sand
she'll be a big lady tank and she'll synergize with roadhog well
pearl blade
Keep it lore relevant
formal holly
it is
broken sand
http://puu.sh/Ash1k/7b13723e65.jpg this is her leaked artwork
but don't tell anyone, blizz hasn't announced her yet
formal holly
we are so gonna lose our permissions to this place
broken sand
😦
formal holly
whos the next hero gonna be then
valid shell
@formal holly We don't know.
broken sand
i'm offended that you compared my joke to shitposting
broken sand
why shouldn't you lose your access instead
valid shell
You asked who the next hero is going to be.
Not who we think it might be.
Feel free to speculate, sure.
formal holly
Yeah, fine who do you think its gonna be
broken sand
i see
so since we don't know what the next hero is going to be
there is no right answer to that question
cunning ledge
Hamid Faisal is my guess
valid shell
The running theory is an Oasis Archaeologist.
broken sand
now tell me, what the next hero is going to be
formal holly
jetpack cat
valid shell
@broken sand I just said we don't know.
formal holly
but junkrat isnt nice
broken sand
i'm just saying
valid shell
<@&397922982632226816>
formal holly
shit
cunning ledge
Shitposting will result in loss of access.
formal holly
ok he actually stopped lol
valid shell
I'm sure you just accidentally posted le funni reddit jokes about a literal pig.
terse oak
This is a serious discussion channel, leave shitposting at the door
There are people in here that want to speculate about lore properly and you're ruining their experience
valid shell
Anyways, if you actually want some insight on who the next hero will likely be, the last four heroes after Ana have followed a pattern where they cycle between lore characters with plenty of exposure in the story (Sombra/Doomfist/Brigitte) and gameplay-driven heroes (Orisa/Moira).
So the next hero will likely be similar to Orisa and Moira.
cunning ledge
ok here's a topic
Ioannidis is a name mentioned on the map
a quick google says it's a greek name
probably connected to the ilios part of the talon funded oasis sites?
valid shell
There's definitely been a lot of Greek teasing.
Since we've seen Greek statues appear in Ilios (duh), Chateau Guillard, Rialto, and now in Petra.
I'd be fine with the new hero being a Greek Archaeologist who operates from Oasis.
cunning ledge
statue thief hero 28
I do like the idea of using Oasis as a way to have heroes from relatively random countries be easily tied into the story
if it was Oasis recruiting specialised scientists from around the world
brittle willow
NEW NEW NEW INTERACTIONS
first interesting one:
Pharah:tracer have you thought about join in Helix Tm we could always use a pilot!
Tracer:Aw,I’m flattered,REALLY! But I have things occupying my time
valid shell
Interesting how this isn't the first time we've heard that Tracer's had to give up being a pilot.
I wonder if her condition prevents her from flying.
terse oak
Probably quite hard to fly if your chronal accelerator goes wonky
Must be a safety risk
Or rather, perhaps overwatch is a more pressing concern
valid shell
Thing is, I doubt she doesn't travel in a plane ever.
worthy rose
well if the accelerator has some glass parts it can implode in wrong pressure
and we saw that the accelerator is sensitive to punches
valid shell
1:00 in "my career as a pilot was over"
And I don't see how she's more likely to be punched in the cockpit of a plane, over being on flat ground.
valid shell
Also.
She arrives in Kings Row on an Orca during Uprising.
So she can fly.
She just can't be behind the wheel, for whatever reason.
Honestly? I'd be fine to them chalking it up to being terrified of flying after the Slipstream incident.
worthy rose
I think it's because the wheel could kick the accelerator
dire timber
Ray is just a joke, Tracer is the real pilot
valid shell
@worthy rose How?
worthy rose
wrong altitude or something related
brittle willow
Genji:how can I convince you I’m a man?
Zarya:I know what you are. I’m sorry you don’t.
Dam
Torb:Mccree,what happened to your arm?
Mccree: always admired yours,figured I’d get one of my own
vagrant spoke
Torb x Mccree @brittle willow
lean silo
i have a genji x torb in my fanfiction.net favourites list
because it's brilliant
it should become canon
misty torrent
Dva is a pilot. Fight me.
peak escarp
you are correct
misty torrent
Yes
Huh. I appear to have been replying to an old comment. I can't even scroll to it. 😅
So uh, how bout those Pilots, eh?
peak escarp
whether you pilot a plane or pilot a mech, the driver is still called a pilot
restive egret
misty torrent
worthy rose
stop with emotes
misty torrent
I'm curious if her mech is launched or hard light materialized when called.
Also 
peak escarp
I think it says somewhere that the mechs are dropped from an orbital satellite but I could be wrong
misty torrent
I went looking, but couldn't find anything on that.
peak escarp
I don't think they're materialized though
in the call mech animation they do appear to drop down (and it knocks back anyone in the way)
lean silo
If her mechs are dropped from orbit, at the speed they fall from...
Hang on. I'll do the maths when I get back to my desk.
lean silo
But let's just say that the mech would instantly kill anyone nearby lmao
yeah
doomfist's arm would be ripped from its socket and his punches would just turn people into bloody mush lmao
it would basically be one punch from him and the fist itself goes rocketing off at the speed of a bullet to pulverize someone
game theory actually did a video on that one
fervent gorge
True
Wait.
What about lucios ult?
Is that possible
It says sound barrier but the lore says that his weapon was stolen from Sym's company meaning it's hard light... So what is it
peak escarp
not everything Vishkar does is hard light
they used the sonic technology as crowd supression
analog canopy
We don't even know if Lucio's ult is canon
bleak wharf
Not sure if it pertains to lore exactly, but could anyone tell me what the brown mug in "Rise and Shine" says? I'm assuming its some sort of easter egg to another game, but the short never shows a close enough shot to read it. All I can see is "KOR-" in the top word and "A-" in the last. (Pics are appreciated too) 
bleak wharf
Aaaah alright! Thank you so much!
primal tiger
Imma be brutally honest here... I couldn't get it to download, so I put it here so I could make it my profile pic, but that works too
tulip walrus
peak escarp
gives me hope that there's stuff in the works
timid eagle
Man, Moria is vicious with those heavy-handed burns.
Calling Winston a "Jumped Up Ape" in particular is a nasty remark.
worthy rose
Hey guy i got a dumb idea:what if the glove doomfist holding right now are a diffirent glove than the glove st first on the numbani payload ?
limpid agate
The payload glove is our Doomfist's glove
timid eagle
Yep.
On his reveal, after he escaped prison, he personally went to Nambani to retrieve his gauntlet.
worthy rose
The thing is the gaunlet in the NAmbani is diffrent abd also smaller (It's able to fit in a children arm) And the gaunlet is a arm
The gaunlet we see of doomfist a whole arm connect to his body
runic scroll
i still want to know what makes a doomfist a doomfist
timid eagle
The lower-half of the gauntlet is still the same.
runic scroll
can anybody make some super punchy mech glove, call himself doomfist, and kill the more-generally-accepted doomfist?
like, what's the prerequisite to being THE doomfist?
timid eagle
The Doomfist name is an honorary title.
limpid agate
He killed the other guy who was named Doomfist
runic scroll
kill and take, or receive it from the previous doomfist?
limpid agate
Who presumeably killed the first
worthy rose
The first and the second was a heroes in omnic crisis but the third doomfist aka akande was a villain
runic scroll
i don't think the second was a hero
or was he?
i thought the second was already kind of a villain
worthy rose
Akande take the name by killing the second
timid eagle
The second Doomfist, Akinjide, was a war profiteer and was a member of Talon, who later became known as the Scourge of Numbani.
Not much is known about the first Doomfist, outside that he was a hero from the Crisis and was Numbani's guardian.
runic scroll
idk why but browser discord has been going to the shits lately
cedar galleon
I figured this channel would be blowing up with all the new material
limpid agate
Its not like new heroes where you have new people comin in every day asking about xyz
Its interactions, which we like a lot, but not everyone races to learn more about
cedar galleon
Ah, I just learned about them today
I liked hearing about ole sam
Reaffirms my thought that hes canadian
Although I think thats confirmed anyways
peak escarp
the big thing we learned from them is Lucio's dad was a Vishkar employee and invented the sonic tech Lucio stole
yes, Sam is confirmed to be Canadian
from the Pacific Northwest
probably from my city too
cedar galleon
Whats your city
peak escarp
Vancouver BC
well, technically I live in Richmond, which is a smaller city within the Vancouver metropolitan area
but to simplify things, I say Vancouver
valid shell
Shouts hello from the other side of the great white north.
peak escarp
they haven't confirmed Sam's tribe, but it's probably either Haida or Coast Salish based on Pharah's skins (those are the two biggest nations that use that art style)
cedar galleon
I wonder if we'll ever get a full indian character
limpid agate
You mean Symmetra
cedar galleon
*native american
Id guess not with all the other potential characters and archetypes they have to work with
limpid agate
Worth mentioning
peak escarp
it would be interesting
peak escarp
there's a lot of different native groups throughout America/Canada
valid shell
Native Canadian > Native American.
peak escarp
all very different
valid shell
I'd be fine with Pharah's cousin.
peak escarp
an Inuit character would be cool
valid shell
Not Sam, though. I want a named character for once who isn't secretly a big strong action hero.
I want him to be a normie.
valid shell
RETCHES.
peak escarp
let's get a few more independent heroes before we get another one related to an existing hero, shall we?
valid shell
As much as I want a malicious Shimada aunt.
limpid agate
A new independant hero
cedar galleon
Lol
limpid agate
Like Hamid Faisal
cedar galleon
Im rooting for an independant as well
peak escarp
Hamid is a good candidate
valid shell
I'm a little out of the loop - what puts Hamid above the other couple names dropped on Petra?
limpid agate
Hamid is dropped everywhere and his name is the only one directly linked to that symbol
The rest are all one off mentions
And also not on-site in Petra
peak escarp
the other names are single names (either first or last names)
limpid agate
H. Faisal, thanks a Dr that's on site with him, but Faisal is also on site.
User name is Hamid, plus symbol. This is the closest we have to a link to the symbol
Idannis (Another surname) is dropped. On the same page is Faisal
Also Al-Hamdan is dropped. Could be anyone
cedar galleon
I wonder whos funding the group
limpid agate
Oasis most likely
cedar galleon
What makes you think that
peak escarp
I think that is mostly speculation right now
but it seems like the sort of thing Oasis would do
cedar galleon
Ah Im an idiot
limpid agate
The white drones from Oasis and Ayutthaya
peak escarp
oh right
limpid agate
The tablet on University
peak escarp
July is the next expected hero
but the next expected map was June and we got Rialto in May, so who knows
they might be shaking things up
valid shell
@cedar galleon Doomfist dropped end of July.
And since we got Brigitte about the same time we got Orisa last year, we can expect Blizzard to uphold that pattern.
peak escarp
Doomfist was added to the game July 27, but put on the PTR July 6
so we can expect hints and teasers late June?
limpid agate
Probably
Attack on Helix: http://bit.ly/2tn45mk
His first teaser was JUly 4th
But we had Horizon in June
Ill be surprised if we get something this June
worthy rose
DF's details were also got leaked early
because crashlogs included doomfist name
in that patch that actually contained his data
and that was the last ptr overtool
hallow belfry
So Ana slept with a man named Sam. Interesting,
haughty sluice
and
lucios dad was part of vishkar however you spell it
he invented the sonic tech
fossil lake
wait how did you find out about the sam thingy
haughty sluice
we never knew his name
valid shell
We did.
valid shell
"Michael who is Pharah’s dad?"
"You mean Sam? So I guess we won’t find out today. Oh you thought I was kidding. Who is Sam? Sam is Pharah’s father. That’s his name. You may have seen him before he has shown up in a panel in a comic, and maybe a spray at some point."
I know my stuff, homie.
valid shell
Don't feel bad.
iron plume
Shitposting will result in loss of access
terse oak
@sour turret Last warning, don't shitpost in here
brittle willow
Guys
Genji was a gamer confirmed
Dva:genji,I heard you had all the high scores here!
Genji:that’s right! Wait,used to?
...Hey! Where did they all go?
plays on hanamura attack spawn only
terse oak
We knew this, genji mentions that he spent a lot of wasted hours in the arcade
cunning ledge
moira made reaper how he is, if that's what you're asking
brittle willow
Soldier76:you were a disgrace to overwatch if I had known what Reyes had been planning I would have never allowed it
Moira:it seemed to me that you were never convent into reyes’ business.
worthy rose
yeah, people misattributing mercy for the things Moira did to reaper