srsly sombra does nto work for things like mone (one easy hack dude)
#lore-discussion
regal coyote
peak escarp
Yeah
It's pretty clear her motivation is information
She'll take jobs that give her access to things (or people) she couldn't normally access
dire timber
Hamster seems keen on overhyping Sombra
smh
she's not that special
she's an useful asset
solid sequoia
What are we discussing here, just to situate myself?
dire timber
but that doesn't give her Premium Talon Membership (™) in recognition for being Official Los Muertos Band Leader (™)
iron plume
I doubt Sombra would even want to be a talon leader
Feel like there's more info out on them than she would like
dire timber
I don't really buy the "freelancer allowed to do whatever" idea that some people seem to have for Sombra's role in Talon
iron plume
I don't think she's a full-on freelancer either
it seemed that way after Infiltration, but Masquerade cleared that up
But I doubt she's interested in actually working/being with them long term
Rather than a strategic partnership
regal coyote
what i am saying is that talon is huge.
So someone like sombra would be hired for middle management.
sure not the top leaders, but not a grunt either
iron plume
she's not management
regal coyote
like a small mnager at least if you think about it
iron plume
if by "grunt" you mean a mook like the thousand in Retribution, then no she isn't
solid sequoia
I just think Sombra is a talon agent, that does stuff for Talon (like the Infiltration short) but also has her own goals in mind (like the Infiltration short... again).
regal coyote
thats what i am saying, she is not a mook, not things like the redshirt you see in retribution
if anything she is a mid-boss
cunning ledge
^
regal coyote
yes, she is not a leader
iron plume
because if there's "no one under her" than what is she leading
regal coyote
but you know there are loads of "manager" out there with no staff under right? it is just a rank
solid sequoia
Ok for real, can somebody explain what we're trying to discuss, im legitely lost.
regal coyote
someone was saying sombra would start out as a talon grunt
iron plume
a manager's work is to manage
regal coyote
i am saying that she would be hired as higher than that to start
solid sequoia
Ok here's the thing
cunning ledge
sombra would have been first brought on as a useful asset for hacking
that's her one gimmick
regal coyote
yes true
cunning ledge
that's already several levels higher than guy with a gun to send into battle
iron plume
she'd be less "in" talon
solid sequoia
"Sombra launched an even more audacious string of hacks, and her exploits earned her no shortage of admirers, including Talon." this is stated on the official website. If Talon was a "admirer" of her i doubt they'll put her on such a low standard.
regal coyote
so think about it, if you have a jet pilot in an army his rank would put him in the officer level, right?
but that does not mean he would be leading anything
same goes with sombra, she would be an officer of sorts
regal coyote
yes and no
regal coyote
that would also mean due to her rank she has much more rights than a "grunt"
iron plume
if you want her to be an "officer", then sure she's an officer
where are you getting from that Talon has any ranks anyway
regal coyote
just saying she is not grunt
iron plume
literally no one argued that
solid sequoia
I personally believe Sombra is just a agent nothing above nothing below but i guess people like to overcomplicate.
regal coyote
and for sure not like a section leader or anything
that said, we dont know what rank she is in LM
if she is big enough there she is more important of an asset even
i mean, by all means she is a hero in some local's eyes
solid sequoia
Question, does it even matter what rank Sombra is in Talon? I guess it's a good brain exercise trying to figure out but does it really help us piece the lore?
iron plume
I'd wager she was even more of a "freelancer" with muertos
do your job, get their services in return
regal coyote
yes and no
dire timber
she really doesn't seem to be a "leader" of Los Muertors
regal coyote
after the wole ARG incident though, it seems like people put sombra as high regards, and treat her as part of LM i guess?
probably not a leader, she does not look like a leader type
dire timber
in fact, we don't know if Los Meurtors folks know that Sombra and that little informant girl are one and the same
or if she was ever one of them
regal coyote
but can she affect decision making in LM?
solid sequoia
Like for me, Sombra is a agent. Just like Widowmaker is a agent. Just like Reaper is a agent (even though i think he's a more important one).
dire timber
Sombra is a Talon hacker
regal coyote
yes
dire timber
just like Widowmaker is a Talon sniper
solid sequoia
Ok and now i ask
Does it matter what they are when we're trying to piece the lore?
cunning ledge
and Reaper is a Talon - oh wait
regal coyote
busniper is a tool under reaper most likely
solid sequoia
Does it really matter that Widowmaker is a Talon Sniper when there's alot more plotholes out there?
regal coyote
we can assume sombra is a full agent then not a freelancer yes.
solid sequoia
Im just asking really
cunning ledge
@solid sequoia if you don't have anything to say feel free to not join the discussion
regal coyote
but how about ehr with LM, it seems that her ARG anti lumi scheme would require LM support, which LM give .
so i recon there is some interesting echange there
dire timber
we don't really know if Los Meurtos had any more contact with Sombra than, say, web users have with WikiLeaks, or whoever is posturing as "Anonymous"
drowsy wadi
What have i started
teal flax
i am not a robot
regal coyote
sombra have the skull thing, but anyone can use that. now if anyone dare to impersonate her, that is another thing.
yes knowing sombra she is at least a /b/tard, but most likely on /v/ (invasion)
frosty shell
Sombra is probably the world's greatest hacker (at least greatest human hacker)
iron plume
"invasion", whut
frosty shell
Lynx couldn't believe she was just one person
iron plume
there are ways you can verify yourself online without revealing yourself
an RSA code is the most common
frosty shell
Just having that secret info is probably pretty damning
Sombra probably uses radio frequencies to hack considering how it can work long-distance
iron plume
it's a pretty basic algorithm and is basically unbreakable unless we get quantum computers
so there's no reason Sombra doesn't have something like that
frosty shell
I assume Anubis could break it
iron plume
this isn't a god program thing again is it
frosty shell
No I'm just saying that because Anubis can hack pretty much anything and is really powerful server-wise it could probably break most codes
except for things like a one time pad which are theoretically unbreakable
limpid agate
@frosty shell Old Soldiers kind of implied the opposite. At least that's how I interpreted it
Talon was willing to raid the Temple of Anubis for Sombra to get something useful on her hands
Implying she can overpower the God Program, rather than the opposite
regal coyote
not shitposting, do you think there is ancient "alien" civilizaion in overwatch?
dire timber
@limpid agate I think it goes both ways
Sombra can get something out of Anubis
but she gotta be careful, or it might go awry
low axle
What ifAnubis Hacks Sombras Cybernetics and takes her over o.O
cunning ledge
anubis can hack omnics
if it could hack anything then it would just hack the raptora suits and kill all the helix team that way
it's explicitly said to be omnics only that it can hack
regal coyote
i would say anubis is an AI, it can remotely hack mnics
but we do not know if anubis become truely unchained if it can hack other things through contact .
i assume it can at least hack some servers and systems as per sombra. (not sure if better or not, but at least have some capability of it, being at least average ahcker if not more)
limpid agate
It doesn't hack as much as Sombra was shown to hack
It hacks Operating Systems
Sombra hacks anything electronic
Like elevators and mechs
We know of 3 hackers
And Sombra is the strongest of them all
Anubis and Lynx being the other two
limpid agate
Probably
But I think they would stick to Anubis being weaker than Sombra
So she can control him
IF it ever returns
cunning ledge
I feel it is safe to say that Sombra is the best hacker, yeah
sombra regarding an ancient, purely malevonent entity like anubis as another useful asset would be kinda interesting
frosty shell
Of course she has that line about getting through Helix's firewalls
regal coyote
so the only thing anubis is better is remote hacking of Omnic OS.
Sombra is so far still the best hacker shown
Though Sombra did the Lynx hack so maybe she can do that too
also is anubis ancient though?
limpid agate
Obviously not
regal coyote
I would think it is a more recent creation.
if anubis is an ancient entity that hacks then there would be like an ancient "alien" civilization in the ow universe, which is a strange thing.
then again there were many ancient archlogical site events in terms of maps
and talon are just relic collectors? dont think so
wait, what WAS project titan's back stories and world view, did anyone ahve any idea?
tacit summit
Do you guys think an alien invasion with a gritty and sinister tone would work for Overwatch or is it too r-rated?
peak escarp
That's probably outside the scope of Overwatch
tacit summit
Is it too outlandish?
peak escarp
Aliens would be going a bit outside of their level of realism
tacit summit
I recently finished the expansion for Xcom 2 and thought about how dark and gritty that game, the thing is that it felt very grounded, but you're probably right though.
peak escarp
Overwatch is light and optimistic
peak escarp
If the game ever did introduce aliens (which I think is unlikely) they'd be friendly aliens
tacit summit
I think back Widowmakers backstory and that doesn't sound pg at all.
peak escarp
The game is rated Teen here, which is the equivalent of PG13
Which is why they can have these darker backstories but not actually show the violence
Like how Antonio was killed by a shotgun blast to the face, but it was minimized to an almost comedic death
tacit summit
Yeah that's true there was no blood or anything.
valid shell
Like those two Russian guards doing a slapstick laugh right before Sombra unloads into their faces.
peak escarp
Which means unfortunately we'll probably never get to see the fight between Hanzo and Genji, or see what exactly they did to Amelie to make Widowmaker
There isn't an easy way to show those while keeping a Teen rating
tacit summit
Overwatch is like a batman cartoon there are a lot dark elements but it'll just alude to them and never show them.
tacit summit
But Batman cartoons are awesome.
peak escarp
True
tacit summit
Would Overwatch classify as cyberpunk?
Corrupt, government with evil corporations running amuck and resistance movement fighting all the corruption.
peak escarp
I guess so
The focus isn't really on the corrupt corporations as much though
It definitely has cyberpunk elements
tacit summit
Weren't the Omnics created by a big corporation that tried to use them to take over the world, but the story turned into NieR Automata where the Omnics gained sentience and tried to just kill everyone.
peak escarp
Something like that? The reasons for the omnic crisis are vague
dire timber
@limpid agate I really wouldn't call Sombra "stronger" than Anubis
more versatile, if anything
tacit summit
@peak escarp it may not be cyberpunk but a lot of the characters are themed with the punk genres.
dire timber
I would say that Anubis is without more powerful, what with its ability to simultaneously override numerous omnics
@tacit summit "Weren't the Omnics created by a big corporation that tried to use them to take over the world"
lmao what
there's nothing like that in the lore
chilly peak
to help in every day life
peak escarp
Whatever it was, they weren't made to wage a war until the deactivated omniums woke back up
valid shell
Omnibus?
chilly peak
Omniums
peak escarp
Stupid autocorrect
valid shell
@tacit summit Anyways, nothing about that sentence was true. :v
tacit summit
That was a question though, I simply didn't format it properly.
valid shell
No, Omnica Co. wasn't trying to take over the world. They promised to automate the entire world with their self-improving Omnics, but failed to meet demands, and after fraud was discovered, the company was dismantled.
We don't know what reactivated the Omniums and started the Crisis, but the story definitely didn't "turned into NieR Automata".
dire timber
we don't know what started or ended the Crisis
which honestly feels bizarre
it's like not knowing what started or ended WW2
valid shell
?
It's a Blizzard game, homie.
People still play WoW and SC1.
Besides, discussing the financial status of Overwatch and Fortnite and Runescape and whatever else you kids are playing these days belongs in #general-discussion.
tacit summit
Oh sorry about that.
dire timber
I wonder when can we expect Omnic Crisis and Overwatch HQ explosion to be fleshed out
Retribution, Doomfist and Moira were great for the lore, but there's still so many unanswered questions
valid shell
It's such lateral exposition.
We're getting more lore, sure, but in directions we don't really want.
low axle
Next lore bit we get will be...what Orisa does during the day
Exactly what we all want and need
limpid agate
Itll be with the new hero, probably
I dont expect any patch in June
If we are getting 2 major patches in May
timid eagle
We will probably get some hints on the next hero soon-ish.
But I'm curious to see if it's another Tank or Support Hero.
Considering they will be cheating on the Defense Heroes with Symmetra switching roles.
limpid agate
3 Supports in a row
Nah
As for hints, I believe we have already gotten some
We may or may not have realized what they are
But I believe we have every hint we need by now
Whether its Jetpack Cat, Emre, someone related to Retribution, or someone related to Petra
Don't know
But I believe we have every clue we need.
These are my thoughts, from most to least likely.
timid eagle
The Heavy Unit from Retribution would be....an interesting take on an Off-Tank unit.
We don't have a mindless monster in the game yet, so either that or the Assassin would be fun to see.
Think Painwheel from Skullgirls.
valid shell
I don't think we're getting any of the Talon goons playable.
Considering they're all constructed from existing models and animation.
tacit summit
Didn't someone like hack the game to play as the pve characters?
valid shell
Yes.
limpid agate
Likely played with broken/limited inputs in third person, too.
Just because the PvE characters were playable through a hack doesnt mean we will get them as full fledged characters
Especially since Zomnics, Junkenstein's Riptire, Uprising Omnics, and Training Bots were also played by him.
tacit summit
Oh no of course not. In fact I think blizzard is gonna do some banning.
regal coyote
for goons i think MAYBEthey will be playable in custom games or in some silly arcade game modes, but never in an official setting. But even then it would not add to the lore
On Omnica Co. I do not think it is trying to take over the world. But obviously, like any good comapny, it would seek to dominate and monopolize everything and anything that it can get away with. That is what COMPANIES SHOULD DO, being on the stock market (and why i would buy stocks from some companies)
That said we dont know what fraud we are talking about, it could be anything from cooking the numbers, to using untested and unstable tech (this is likely)
@peak escarp The rating is on the game. We can have quite mature lore in novels and comics and animations and what not OUTSIDE the game, they are rated seperately. So technically we can have an official Widow playboy series outside game and it would not affect the game's rating (not that we would, but you get the idea)
peak escarp
true, but they play the game's rating at the start of all the animated shorts
if they started doing M rated violence in them and only showed the Teen rating, there would be trouble
I think they want to keep the rating consistent over all forms of media
regal coyote
well, each cinematic animation is considered a seperate piece with its own ratings, so there can be animations rated as M (or technically more) and as long as it is not in the game it would not affect game rating.
And it is not uncommon for companies to have stuff of higher/lower ratings in different products.
I mean there are Deadpool dolls made geared towards kids, so?
hasty surge
Jewvia why isn't the queen on it?
hasty surge
Map announcer would not be playable?
Then max would not be playable because he got his icon?
cunning ledge
Hey I didn't make the list
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I do think max and the queen still have a chance
But max a lot more than the queen
limpid agate
Thats not my reason
The reason is
Queen hasn't been relevant or teased in any form since September
limpid agate
Note that everyone on my list was teased in the past 4 months
hasty surge
Hammond wasn't teased either
limpid agate
No
Jetpack Cat was
And I speculate the two are the same
If its Hammond and he doesnt have a jetpack and isn't a cat
I'll take it as a loss
limpid agate
🤷
Hammond was on Earth for how many years?
I aint got an answer for that
That comment there, I'm gonna take as the biggest point against my theory
Congratulations for being the first to make it
hasty surge
Well then I would like to disagree the fact that Hammond and Jetpack cat are the same
Wow
I'm just surprised you didn't thought you that
limpid agate
I must have forgotten, or passed it off as a joke
hasty surge
And thanks Jewvia for the compliment
hasty surge
Also I would like to comment that I believe Viali is one of Sombra's "friends" just like Volskaya
valid shell
Honestly?
After Antonio, and now Vialli, I would like an Italian hero who's tired of Talon's control over Venice.
iron plume
hm
it would be cool if he's a government/LEO
trying to restore order and bring criminals to justice
in a kind of reverse Lucio/Vishkar dynamic
valid shell
Or just the only Venice cop who isn't crooked.
Continues to dream of a pet class hero with a robot dog.
iron plume
are Talon like, openly in control of venice?
or is it a Wilson Fisk "run things from the shadows" situation
valid shell
Currently, I don't know, but it's heavily implied in Retribution that the entire city was mustered against Blackwatch.
iron plume
yeah but there's the stressed "it's like the entire city is getting onto us"
and there's the actual entire city getting onto you
I wouldn't think they'd be completely open about it
at least not until their big thing, whatever that is they're planning
valid shell
Of course there's nothing concrete, but I still wouldn't be surprised to learn that Venice is under Talon's thumb.
iron plume
oh it's definitely under their thumb
I'm just wondering if it's like
implicit or not
there's a difference between paying off the cops and running the underworld
and straight up taking over the place, like say Vishkar
dire timber
it's probably the former - I don't think they literally run the place, it's more that they utilize the corruption of Venice's officials
that being said, there were plenty Talon troops stationed in Venice
cunning ledge
is this triangular symbol on the back of cybjorn found anywhere else?
apart from the shrike mask
cunning ledge
I thought they might have done something cool where the skin is something like "Torbjorn but if his cybernetic upgrades were done by another party"
like idk, Axiom or something
oh yeah that's true
but upside down
just still trying to see if there's anything to be gained from the new skins
sherlock McCree's belt has "ASKS" on it
because detectives.. ask.. questions?
???
iron plume
something like that
cunning ledge
this is on new doomfist's fist
can't tell if it's actually letters or just random lines
quasi schooner
Looks like
A N (?)
cunning ledge
are you looking at it upside down?
I think I can see ANX upside down
well ANX is a real company but I slightly doubt the skin's connection to some random company in hong kong
regal coyote
wait what was doomfish's own company's name
It might be a reference of the friendly mega company LexCorp
Afterall Doomie is a more punchie Luthor
valid shell
@regal coyote We don't know what it's called.
quasi schooner
XNV?
Or XMV:995
XD doomfish
Also is Anubis not the code name for the Giza AI research center?
worthy rose
You guys think that evil looking zenyatta is the next hero?
quasi schooner
Look on playoverwatch.com/heroes and select pharah
iron plume
am I not seeing something on Pharah's page?
valid shell
@iron plume Who's more likely than Maximilien?
iron plume
someone not namedropped yet
cunning ledge
@iron plume ", a private security firm contracted to defend the artificial intelligence research facility beneath the Giza Plateau"
iron plume
oh hm
cunning ledge
it's only ever called a research facility in that one line
quasi schooner
GP, but we don’t know the code name of the facility, and we know Anubis is AI related
cunning ledge
gp?
quasi schooner
And that pharah both works for a facility in Egypt near pyramids and that the Anubis map is in a desert with pyramids.
Good point
cunning ledge
ah
I'm still not sure what you're even asking
the name of the ai is anubis
the facility is named after the thing it contains
quasi schooner
Makes sense now. But Anubis is the facility and anubis is the AI right?
quasi schooner
Got it. Thx
worthy rose
Well if not max, what about athena
cunning ledge
athena is just an ai that is present in the current day Gibraltar base and the Orca dropships
she probably can't be a hero given that she's the announcer of the game
worthy rose
But they've got a model for her
cunning ledge
I mean the symbol is clearly the athena symbol
no doubt about that
but yeah it's just concept art
it's also in the Cinematic Trailer, which used that same concept art
quasi schooner
Sometime soon imma go on the pinned section and binge watch/read everything
frosty shell
Also I think the next hero will be relatively unhyped because it seems every other hero is one that was heavily predicted
And it seems like un-hyped heroes may be better for lore because they reveal new sides of the story
quasi schooner
^
cunning ledge
as long as it keeps going forwards that would be fine
iron plume
binging the lore pieces won't even take you long
cunning ledge
^
quasi schooner
Yeh, tbh I binged all the vids I could find and wanted to watch in an hour while doing other stuff
dire timber
I think the most likely candidate for next hero is an Oasis archeologist
marble schooner
we need brigitte's cat as a hero
dire timber
we really don't
cunning ledge
that name mentioned in the email, maybe?
dire timber
maybe, though I doubt it - I think the next hero will be the one to have written that message
marble schooner
email?
dire timber
is there no clearer shot?
cunning ledge
I'll check
the image isn't actually from me I stole it from @peak escarp
this is the highest possible quality from the video
cunning ledge
I'll ask in the other server just in case
this is the best transcript someone's made so far
*Survey of the uppermost levels of the temple is almost complete, planning for excavations of the lower chambers. Our greatest finds so far are the statues of Hera, Athena and Aphrodite and we are hopeful they will be the first of many.
?? - 18:22
Early imaging pass has revealed a hidden chamber. Al-?? believes that it might be a significant find, and we found a narrow opening through which we can perform further excavation
?? - 10:37*
quasi schooner
Second name looks like fris*l
cunning ledge
hmm
lusty vapor
Mcree eats pencil lead
cunning ledge
@lusty vapor serious discussion here please
lusty vapor
I am being serious
cunning ledge
@dire timber I can see that but it might just be my brain filling in the gaps because I'm looking for specific letters
event is live boiz
now we can make sure
cunning ledge
lusty vapor
How big was it for you?
cunning ledge
#overwatch-news says 1.2gb
also I found another computer
login says "Hamid"
another name found
"Blaise"
dire timber
@cunning ledge did arcade lootboxes reset?
cunning ledge
yes
cunning ledge
if anyone wants hi res images of a particular petra location I can do them
dire timber
shame I didn't get pre-event lootboxes
but oh well
3 non-event lootboxes ain't that much I guess
cunning ledge
there are some scanny things scanning a tomb
also some suitcases from numbani
i'll look for more names
OH SHIT
O H S H I T
so this confirms all the drone places are oasis
like I though
also probably talon funding this?
so Hamid Faisal is a new name/character
with three mentions already
I made a reddit post compiling the mentions
iron plume
The oasis connection is interesting
cunning ledge
iron plume
yep
cunning ledge
the "talon in ilios" line is probably now supposed to be "oasis funded by talon in ilios"
iron plume
thing is Athena knows it’s talon activity in oasis
which would mean the talon-oasis relation isn’t secret
not to newverwatch at least
cunning ledge
I have a feeling that line might be vaguely retconned
iron plume
hm
cunning ledge
unless, as you say, newverwatch does know about it
iron plume
maybe
worthy rose
@cunning ledge you have the best lore
regal coyote
- my guess is APEX is doomie's company?
- Now seing that if it is truely talon and they dont seem to be damaging or selling archaeology find, what is their point? are theya ctually doing the right things for once?
- This also confirms Oasis have an Archology branch?
cunning ledge
I think the new logo is an exploration branch
and they would bring in the guys from the geology ministry, etc for relevant stuff
there's gotta be a reason talon is funding all these digs
and honestly yeah I could accept APEX being Akande's company
dire timber
@regal coyote like super said, it's possible that Talon involvement is retconned
they could be simply funding Oasis
in fact, the fact that some of the statues seem to have ended up in Talon's hands..
regal coyote
well it makes sense for talon to be funding oasis, even if it is not for evil reasons
i mean, doomie supports advancement in the first place
regal coyote
that, and anw new discovery would be used by talon for their new toys
dire timber
what
cunning ledge
"Only through greater understanding of historical architecture do we evolve"
dire timber
you're giving praise where none seems deserved
Oasis is doing legit work, sure
but the fact that some of the statues ended on Rialto or Chateau Guillard
is actually pretty darn shady
cunning ledge
^
dire timber
you ever seen any of those museum heist movies?
where people steal painting and sell them?
well, in this situation, Talon seems to be the buyer
cunning ledge
Formal Doomfist has a small plate on the back of his head that isn't there on any other skins
it's gold like his other visible augs
but it's the only visible aug on that skin
also his arm isn't actually visible inside the guantlet but there's clearly a tube or something that it fits in
so it is technically entirely possible that 1. he still has a suit on under it and 2. it canonically exists as another gauntlet he has for some reason
but... probably not
valid shell
So Sherlock McCree provides even more proof that flavor text =/= canon skin.
cunning ledge
yeah
just a direct quote from a book
still pretty neat
am I the only one that sees some sort of animal face on the shoulder part
cunning ledge
ok consider this
the fist in that skin is a more lightweight and portable version that he uses in emergencies
the plate is the replacement for the whole neural connection stuff the main fist has
dire timber
it's still pretty darn big
dire timber
hm, this doesn't look like it would fit inside a briefcase
but
it could fit inside a car trunk
cunning ledge
assuming APEX is his company
maybe it's made out of inconspicious parts that can be assembled into a fist
dammit now I'm attached to this theory
dire timber
dire timber
yeah, it was what I got in the legendary lootbox
cunning ledge
ah cool
dire timber
I think it could pass for some sort of strange decoration
cunning ledge
what, the entire fist?
I did consider that
maybe even he's reverse engineered it to the point that he's selling more
"the world could always use more doomfists"
cunning ledge
hmm
remote ocean
yo why does lucio ball have a map in sydney if australia is a wasteland
cunning ledge
it's just the outback that's a wasteland
Sydney in particular is fine
The Junkrat comic is set there, you can see how it looks
vaguely generic futuristic city
Junkertown, on the other hand, is set in the wasteland
remote ocean
https://puu.sh/AqVNR/7b55e42770.png
https://puu.sh/AqVOO/0c7e0fd7ab.png
Any idea who's breifcase this'd be on Petra
cunning ledge
numbani has all those places as location posters
in the airport
that same briefcase can be found there in many places
so probably just there to vaguely indicate there's people stationed there
valid shell
Apparently there's now an interaction between Mercy and Lucio.
Where Mercy says that Lucio's grandfather invented the sonic tech.
I'm waiting on a recording atm.
peak escarp
what
cunning ledge
that would be...
interesting?
it validates the line where Symmetra accuses Lucio of stealing stuff and then he replies by saying no you stole it first
valid shell
@peak escarp @cunning ledge Don't take it to the bank just yet, I heard about it word-of-mouth, after all.
peak escarp
I know
cunning ledge
sure
valid shell
They're uploading a recording now.
peak escarp
I'll wait until I hear it myself
valid shell
Honestly? It kind of cheapens Lucio's character, to instead make it so that "I was just stealing back what belongs to my family!"
cunning ledge
yeah
valid shell
It turns his sonic tech into a dumb anime bloodline technique.
cunning ledge
and it makes the interaction I mentioned less significant in that way too
dire timber
whoa
valid shell
So father, not grandfather.
cunning ledge
o shit
valid shell
Still, I don't dig this development.
peak escarp
hmm
dense estuary
depending on how blizzard plays it out will depend on how I feel
dire timber
it's likely that Vishkar didn't really steal it in the literal sense
regal coyote
according to shis
cunning ledge
I mean
dense estuary
if he developed it while employed by Vishkar it would still be theirs
cunning ledge
what if his father literally just worked at Vishkar
regal coyote
soon we will have a character with magical eye power by nanotech or such
cunning ledge
@regal coyote pls
dire timber
@regal coyote Ana
regal coyote
i mean srsly this is going narutard way too much
cunning ledge
@regal coyote pls
dense estuary
He might consider it stolen because maybe he does not quite understand that when working at a company if you invent something they often times in employment contracts have automatic right to the patents.
valid shell
"Only the Correia dos Santos bloodline possesses the inner ear capable of using the sonic technology."
cunning ledge
my god
now I feel there's gotta be some other incredible revelations hidden in obscure character interactions
dire timber
@cunning ledge "The Cortec was his life's work. Owned and patented by Viskar. But it's mine now."
peak escarp
I would have guessed Cortex
cunning ledge
cortex is the only one of those that's an actual word
hmm
the other three are all tech companies
which is slightly funny to me
dire timber
it definitely doesn't end with an -ex though
peak escarp
I mean, yay Lucio lore, right?
dire timber
oh my
valid shell
@dire timber "Owned and patented by Vishkar."
peak escarp
Maybe this is a sign that they're working on it
dire timber
@valid shell thanks
peak escarp
Figuring out his backstory beyond "led a rebellion and became famous"
cunning ledge
"what if his father literally just worked at Vishkar"
me, like 10 minutes ago
what a prophet
peak escarp
Lucio has a poor understanding of intellectual property rights
dire timber
people asserting that Vishkar literally stole it was silly
valid shell
If it was legally Vishkar's, then I'm not as bothered about this change.
But I'm still bothered.
peak escarp
I have been saying I wanted to know more about the heroes' families
dire timber
with Winston-style flashbacks?
I'm still thinking (hoping) that Pharah cinematic with Ana will be next
cunning ledge
lucio with his dad intercut with a concert somehow
and.. D.Va.. is there... because... uhhh?
cunning ledge
I've seen that idea here a few times
concert in south korea, kaiju boy attacks
lucio has his weaponised tech on him for whatever reason
they fight it off
maybe symmetra is there too if we're lucky
what's this?
oh, the line but clearer
neat
peak escarp
Can someone transcribe? I'm on mobile
valid shell
Mercy: "Lucio, I never realized your father was the one who invented Vishkar's sonic technology."
Lucio: "The Cortec(sp) was his life's work. Owned and patented by Vishkar. But it's mine now."
@peak escarp
peak escarp
Thanks
cunning ledge
I now think that when Lucio says it was stolen he's referring to the use of it
Lucio's dad was gonna invent it for a good use, share it with the world, etc
but Vishkar stopped him and held it back for private or more commercial use
peak escarp
That would make sense
dense estuary
or even considers it "stolen" because Vishkar did not pay what the IP rights were actually worth.
Big companies have in reality ripped off inventors just to get their claws on a good patent
I put stolen in quotes since its not theft in the legal sense
dire timber
it's definitely based on Lucio disagreeing with how Vishkar used it
peak escarp
They added some new interactions
limpid agate
Yo
peak escarp
Reaper/Moira have one too apparently
dense estuary
Or they added that interaction just to red herring us heh.
cunning ledge
lucio? in my lore?
limpid agate
Are there more interactions written or recorded
peak escarp
I wonder what other interactions were added
dire timber
Lucio's getting lore now
:')
they grow up so fast
@limpid agate there's one between Moira and Reaper
cunning ledge
what next? symmetra lore?
limpid agate
What is the Moira/REaper intereaction
I wasnt expecting Anniversary to bring lore
I would have woken up earlier
cunning ledge
dire timber
Moira: Your condition seems relatively stable
Reaper: No one has accused me of that in a long time
cunning ledge
I found some cool new name stuff
limpid agate
I don't get it
dire timber
oh, yeah
peak escarp
She comments about his condition being stable
dire timber
my prediction is that Hamid Faisal will be 28
cunning ledge
same tbh
cunning ledge
also talon is obviously funding oasis
peak escarp
Reaper says nobody has called him stable in a long time
dire timber
middle eastern archeologist, affiliated with Oasis, working on Illios, Petra, Ayutthaya
unwittingly aiding Talon, just like Symmetra
limpid agate
This is exciting
valid shell
But
Zenyatta tho.
Nah, I'm okay with these developments.
I wonder if the updates to Anubis are linked to all these Oasis/excavation/Greek-statue stuff.
limpid agate
Im feeling like this is one of those stages
Where I dont know what to expect next
But Im excited
Which is good
limpid agate
Retribution and this.
cunning ledge
around the anniversary
limpid agate
Other than Brigitte, 2018 is shaping up to be a good year
cunning ledge
slightly disappointed that it's one map instead of three
but it looks like this will actually lead to stuff
which is very cool
green silo
idk if this is lore related, but is anyone in overwatch a lesbian? i heard somehwere that sombra is but idk
green silo
where does it say tracer is
valid shell
Reflections.
valid shell
peak escarp
You see her girlfriend Emily
valid shell
Already on it.
green silo
ah yes i remember that
valid shell
Whether she was bisexual or lesbian was up in the air, but she was confirmed lesbian on twitter.
worthy rose
how much of doomfists body is augmented or prosthetic?
worthy rose
I asked this before because I realized the feet are augs and now the hand looks very auged
From the new skin
cunning ledge
there are marks of under the skin augs on his face, legs, head, chest, etc
his left hand literally has a gun inside of it
although we haven't seen that in lore yet
peak escarp
His left hand looked normal in Masquerade/His origin trailer, didn't it?
I thought the knuckle guns were just something he wears over his hand
(And the robot joints on the in-game skin are just artistic liberty)
worthy rose
The new skin shows his actual hand
cunning ledge
There's no actual evidence for the guns existing
peak escarp
Gotcha
worthy rose
"game mechanics"
dunno if it fits here, but the Anniversary event's music is straight from hots
cunning ledge
what do you mean? @worthy rose
most of the overwatch themes in hots are modified version of songs in ow
like the dragons music being genji's login screen
worthy rose
It's Tracer's theme
valid shell
So there's finally a Mercy/Moira interaction.
cunning ledge
oh really?
i've been testing with slig and we haven't found any between mercy and moira
valid shell
Got a recording of it.
But someone posted the last one I shared to reddit and tumblr, and the person who recorded it got pissed at me.
So I'm not making that mistake again. :v
dire timber
at this point maybe we shouldn't take what SpaceDuck says seriously
worthy rose
Did you guys see the new Lucio lore already
worthy rose
lucio's father is the one who started vishkar
woeful coyote
?!
peak escarp
not quite
woeful coyote
Where did we get that from?
peak escarp
Lucio's father invented the sonic technology that Vishkar uses to supress riots
cunning ledge
@worthy rose as far as I can tell he just worked for them
peak escarp
he didn't start Vishkar
worthy rose
oh the tech
cunning ledge
and they misused his tech in his eyes
dire timber
@woeful coyote no shitposting
@worthy rose didn't really start Vishkar
rather, created sonic tech for Vishkar
woeful coyote
So is that a new voice line added in with the anniversary update?
peak escarp
there's a bunch
Pharah: "Mom, don't you think it's time you told Sam you're alive?"
Ana: "Let me take care of what your father needs to know"
there's also ones between Moira/Reaper, Moira/Mercy, Orisa/Doomfist, Symmetra/Doomfist, McCree/Orisa, McCree/Doomfist, Orisa/Tracer . . .
and that's just the ones people have found so far
dire timber
I want a full list
😦
I was only able to hear the Lucio/Mercy one
and the Moira/Reaper one
peak escarp
give it a few days, I'm sure someone will get them all and make a vid
exotic vapor
why do mccree got no arm
peak escarp
maybe she wasn't close with her father
and only reconnected with him after Ana's 'death'
Fareeha does have her mother's last name, after all
exotic vapor
maybe he lost his arm while on a mission or or making a casserole
peak escarp
we know it happened in the 7 years between Uprising and the present
which doesn't really narrow it down, but it's something
low axle
Well Syms Magician skin has a full cybernetic arm I wonder if that is also true with her real skin now
peak escarp
it was always the case, as far as I know
it has been confirmed as a cybernetic arm several times
low axle
Ah well a few days ago we were debating if it was a glove or not
peak escarp
apparently there's a new interaction between McCree and Torbjorn about McCree's arm
low axle
I wonder if her arm got took out by an accident, or if she did it herself
peak escarp
I haven't heard it, but someone on Tumblr mentioned hearing it in the game
low axle
Well...you can tell McCree's was by looking at the finger joints
and the gambler skin shows it up to the elbow
That and I have hte CE art book I think it says something about it in it too
Also the CE Art book made me lol when people freaked out about mei's new years skin's waist..she was never fat...just thick and stacked
o.O
The art book shows her in a wife beater
peak escarp
she's curvy, and not a size 6 like most of the other female heroes
but I wouldn't call her fat
low axle
yea but she's also no fat like the people were saying she was
not*
well the cry babies anyway
woeful coyote
I always assumed she looked fat cause of the arctic gear she is always wearing
peak escarp
that's part of it
woeful coyote
It adds at least 3-4 inches to her all around
low axle
yea which is why it was sad when blizzard caved and widened her waist
woeful coyote
?
low axle
her new years skin I swear the waist was smaller on its release
limpid agate
Its still the same as it was when it was released
No
The "Shes fat fix it" thing is a meme
The real problem
Is her spine looks fucked up
Its especially visible on Pajamei
dire timber
she's pretty chubby
not super fat, but you know
she's at that point where people get called fat
peak escarp
I'd put her at about a size 10
my size
bigger than average but not fat
(she's probably also taller than me)
low axle
Mei is bae:P Wish we could get her casual dress skin but I guess Pajamei is close enough
peak escarp
Mei/Moira interaction
Moira calls her "Dr. Zhou" . . . confirmation that Mei has a doctorate?
low axle
Well she's a Climatologist that was good enough to be sent to the artic by a paramilitary organization
hardly surprisingly
Surprising*
peak escarp
Not surprising
Just nice to see it confirmed
Even on the weather broadcast in Reflections she wasn't titled as "Dr" Mei-ling Zhao
Usually for tv appearances they would use proper titles
I suspected Mei was on the list of people with higher education
Along with Moira (Also obvious but never called "Dr" O'deorain) and Torbjorn (Maybe not a doctorate, but a master's at least? idk what engineers need to qualify)
And maybe Doomfist
haughty sluice
fuk
peak escarp
I could see him having a business degree
haughty sluice
have a look
a logo from the new map petra something to do with an archeology reasearch team
getting funding from an unkonown scource
peak escarp
Yes
I've seen a lot of people call it an arrowhead, but it's probably a trowel
Like the kind used in archaeology
haughty sluice
i was thnking it may also be linked to a god program cos they found statues of athena aphrodite and hera
but i might be talking shit
peak escarp
Unlikely
limpid agate
Talon is the only organization that has shown interest in those
Not some ambigious God Program
Which, I might add, is literally just Anubis
Egyptian, not Greek
peak escarp
Anubis is the only AI called a "god program"
limpid agate
Its more related to Talon and Oasis
Talon has interest in the statues (Ilios, Chateau, Rialto)
haughty sluice
see im talking shut
peak escarp
But a statue of Aphrodite is on Chateau Guillard, and a statue of Hera is on Rialto
limpid agate
And Oasis has been searching many sites (Ilios, Ayutthaya, Petra)
peak escarp
So there's the Talon connection
haughty sluice
might oasis be funding this archeology team?
limpid agate
Most likely
peak escarp
There's evidence that the dig team is from Oasis
The drones are the same as the ones on Oasis
haughty sluice
oh and is operation white dome irrelevant now
peak escarp
For the moment
haughty sluice
i havent heard anythingnaboutn
peak escarp
But it might come up again
peak escarp
If they ever decide to develop Emre's character beyond just a name
haughty sluice
i kinda want blizz to slightly speed up lore development
peak escarp
We all do
But they just added a bunch of new interactions to the game, and while interactions aren't strictly canon, they can expand on the lore
So that's something
haughty sluice
yea
ill have more of a look later but im gonna go now its getting late
it was fun talking to you!
low axle
I still wonder what hand Mercy had in Reapers final form.
Since they do have that one interaction
short scaffold
@cunning ledge dunno if you figured it out yet, but the thing on Formal Doomfist's fist says APEX. Same thing on both sides https://i.imgur.com/g8pYhue.png
golden urchin
What is blaise?
Theres a bag with a logo on it
With a sleeping bag in the new map Petra
Is it just a throwaway company with a random logo
Nope, there's no way its a throwaway company. Theres logos everywhere for it.
limpid agate
You mean this logo
@golden urchin
We're pretty sure that's something related to Hamid Faisal
golden urchin
yeah but also
limpid agate
@polar tendon Shitposting will result in a loss of access
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
limpid agate
I'm liking Hamid.
He feels a bit too soon to be my number 1
But he definitely has good odds in my book
tacit summit
Do you guys think an ecological collapse will play a role in the Overwatch lore and future conflicts in the lore?
valid shell
@tacit summit Considering Mei's entire plot revolves around a 'climate anomaly', sure.
tacit summit
It's an interesting way to raise the stakes.
timid eagle
@low axle I personally find Mei to be more Chubby/fluffy than fat. Pear shaped, to be more specific.
BTW, I just listened to Moira's interaction with Mei.
Jesus, she's either saying it deliberately, or she's REALLY insensitive.
cunning ledge
@short scaffold yeah I did but thanks anyway
I think it's his company
Unless it's a real life company(??)
severe oxide
Guys am I hearing this right, we got new Lucio lore out of nowhere? And it's barely been two years since launch
I'm moved
cunning ledge
Honestly I'm expecting the next cinematic to be Lucio now
severe oxide
Would they make a third Muslim hero? Are they that bold?
valid shell
Third?
severe oxide
Well pharah is only half Muslim heritage wise, but so is doomfist, since Islam makes up about 50% of Nigeria's religious population
valid shell
Muslim is a religion. You can't be half a religion.
You either practice it or you don't.
severe oxide
Muslim is also an ethnicity
Like Jewish
Although there isn't one singular Muslim ethnicity
valid shell
I was going to say.
Akande and Fareeha don't look similar, despite being both "50% Muslim".
So I think that's pretty unfounded.
severe oxide
My point still stands
valid shell
Not really, until we learn heroes religions.
And I doubt we ever will, sans Zenyatta.
severe oxide
I just said I'm talking about ethnicity
valid shell
Except
severe oxide
Akande could be part or totally Nigerian Muslim, we don't know
severe oxide
That's on you
severe oxide
Don't just post the first link. There are plenty of results for that Google search, which all make good points one way or the other
Ethnical identity is never a clear cut discussion
valid shell
Then let's stick to labelling people by their country instead of what color of religion they vaguely look like.
valid shell
Where?
valid shell
I'm not finding anything.