also the other pod to earth for sure carries something, and it survives, or it would be dumb for that storyline to be there
#lore-discussion
regal coyote
low axle
Unless like winston he makes his own ship!
regal coyote
that, if a creature is expected to be living in a cage 24/7 you would not put a tracker on it,e sp when it is deemed safe.
low axle
With Blackjack and animla hookers
regal coyote
like, do you have a tracker on your goldfish at home?
dire timber
tbh, it is interesting
there are tracking devices
Hammond had one
and yet
nobody knew where he is
regal coyote
no, he disabled it
dire timber
I wonder, why wouldn't that concern anyone?
low axle
If its just an underthe skin implant it can be easily removed
if it is painful to do so
even if*
shrewd folio
I think Hammond is a red herring
low axle
Not watch them update the lore and say they all died:p
due to lack of supplies or something
peak escarp
@caffeine_roulette#1118 I agree
Hammond is probably like Emre - a throwaway name that they don't have anything for
low axle
Like God AI's
limpid agate
Hammond and Emre could very well be throwaway names
However, Doomfist also was.
The difference between Hammond and Ray is the demand.
Plus, its been a year. He could still be nothing
Or
He can be something
Im gonna stick with my guns on Jetpack Cat 28 until 28 rolls around
And unless we get a hint in 28's lore cycle.
I'll be dropping Hammond again.
coarse yacht
i want jetpack cat sooooo badly
golden urchin
who doesn't
limpid agate
I don't really care for Jetpack Cat
Its just who I expect for 28
I want Max or Sanjay
golden urchin
wait you're serious
limpid agate
Yes Maximilien
golden urchin
wait you're serious
sanjay would be the good stuff but probably wont come out as it would reveal his true motives and cause symettra to have conflicts with vishkar
limpid agate
Why wouldn't I be serious?
Do you doubt me because I'm the one who is always saying "Jetpack Cat for 28"
echo snow
They brought it up as an example of what they considered to be too unusual for a hero concept
So I'm not sure why anyone thinks they're gonna do it anyway
peak escarp
A talking gorilla was pushing believability already
lavish rune
Not really
peak escarp
A non-sapient cat in a jetpack would be too much
lavish rune
I don't think so
peak escarp
Well I think so
lavish rune
Like overwatch isn't know for reality
peak escarp
That's why I'm saying it
peak escarp
It still tries to stay somewhat realistic
valid shell
Why did you delete your post.
lavish rune
Moira is bad exanple
valid shell
Were you worried you'd look foolish.
peak escarp
Everything in Overwatch is plausible given the current trajectory of modern science
valid shell
It's still not unrealistic enough to humor a housepet in combat.
peak escarp
Yes
valid shell
Yes, he is.
echo snow
They also said Moira was on the edge too iirc?
lavish rune
Like even modern day
echo snow
Someone said she was as close to a sorceror as we're gonna get
lavish rune
You can teach gorrilas sign language
valid shell
Because apes are similar enough to humans that with the right genetic tinkering it's viable.
lavish rune
It's not a big step to make them talk
echo snow
Don't remember if that was here or an official source
valid shell
It's a huge step to make a le funni reddit grumpy cat talk and handle firearms.
peak escarp
If you were able to splice human DNA into a gorilla, something like Winston could exist
lavish rune
And what's so unrealistic about a cat
valid shell
Because it's a cat.
lavish rune
So what
peak escarp
^
valid shell
Obscenely huge.
lavish rune
Yeah but still
valid shell
K, good talk.
peak escarp
It would be a nightmare to fight against, even if they could find a way to justify it in the lore
echo snow
I thought you just said you'd give up
lavish rune
I did
Because seriously, the post says Hammond is a small animal, and small animal = tiny hitbox, and you can't fight it
peak escarp
The only jetpack cat is Mitzi Lindholm, Brigitte's cat from when she was a child who is probably dead by now
runic scroll
I don't think the way Zarya's graviton surge behaves is a perfectly plausible with the current trajectory of modern science
assuming it is a black hole
maybe it's not though, who knows
limpid agate
Its not
Read her comic
Sombra stands in perfectly unharmed
And Zarya can casually walk up to it
lavish rune
Then what does it do?
Its some gravity thing, but somehow it doesn't affect zarya or Lynx 17
limpid agate
Its a gravity thing that won't be explained because that's complicated
And that's not me complaining
Overwatch is based on simplified science fiction
Hard Light. Graviton. Nanobiotics.
Meaningless words that explain what they are.
Hard Light, its light that's hard, like an object.
Graviton, its an item that has gravity.
Nanobiotics, its some medical sounding thing.
dense estuary
I in my head always pictured hardlight as being matter replication
but yes OW is soft scifi and its better for that. Hard Scifi would make for a boring game
peak escarp
soft scifi is a good idea - if they had to explain everything . . . well, it would probably never get explained anyway
regal coyote
OW is not soft scifi, not even that
It is mostly hero comic with a bit of science fantasy
So yeah technically speaking it is not impossible for a smart moon hamster landing back on earth controlling a cyborg body.
Same goes for a reverse cyborg, with digital brain in meaty body for disguise.
Or, we see a spy robot already blowing things up in the recent comic.
That fembot can be a good character too. sneaking around setting bombs.
But yeah Max and Sanjay would be good new characters to play with.
Max is easier since that would not require storyline advancemnt
Sanjay would be GREAT since this would force more lore on Sym
regal coyote
As forHammond and Emre. Eme can just be throwaway name, I mean only thing we know is a hurt agent. Hammond, however, does have a storyline on him. even if not playable it is ncie to see how things are going
echo snow
I think he's referring to the person with the prosthetic arm she used to smuggle in the explosives
valid shell
You mean the human being.
With the prosthetic arm.
I don't know who started this "bomber is actually an Omnic wearing human skin" thing, but it's completely unfounded.
worthy rose
Do omnics have genitals? Can an omnic couple conceive a child or do they have to buy and build one? What about that human/omnic couple in the Mondatta short, was he just a glorified dildo to her?
regal coyote
to answer with reasonable response. omnics do not reproduce and do not have genitals. and for sure cannot produce offsprings with organics. ggez
worthy rose
I'm legit curious if they have some way to build an omnic in a robo-womb like a human pregnancy or they buy and build one like that Will Smith movie
regal coyote
there is no child omnic.
so no
so omnic-human couple would not be able to have a child, they have to adopt one, or be catlady
Actually while i can see why a human would love an omnic (being able to vibrate like michael j fox on command is a plus for intimacy) but I dont understand how an omnic would love a humn.
or why an omnic would love at all.
valid shell
What the fuck is with the discussion topics tonight.
Going on about hairy Greeks and robo-wombs.
cunning ledge
There's an Omnic child in some Blizzard World promotional thing
limpid agate
There are child omnics
cunning ledge
There's no reason for an Omnium to make one though
So it has to be assumed that they're somehow crafted together from Omnic parts(!!!????)
Which is semi reasonable until you consider where the new sentient intelligence comes from
For that I have no idea
valid shell
Sapient.
regal coyote
the thing is, having a child body or adult body means nothing to omnics since they dont have to grow their body
so a child.adult body is just that, a shell.
we know for sure omnic is inorganic
valid shell
@dire timber https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPHHLEHWkAAsi75.jpg
I hadn't seen it before now, but it didn't take much searching.
Literally 'Blizzard World Omnic Child'
dire timber
ah, nvm
cunning ledge
For the overlord balloons
dire timber
sorry, I see a big poster, and I immediately think it's a movie
but yeah, it's just a poster
omnic children are most likely a purely fictional concept in the world of OW
valid shell
I don't think so.
Even pre-rights, Omnic playmates for rich children isn't out of the question.
short scaffold
@dire timber they wouldn't put child omnics in an ad unless they existed
Unless that's just blizzard not thinking ahead
dire timber
@short scaffold I mean, why wouldn't they?
I can easily picture an omnic child being a marketing gag as it is
short scaffold
Because you would be marketing to an audience that doesn't exist
Which is a waste
dire timber
for example, a movie with the main cast being a group of children - you bet that in the world of OW they'd have an omnic child character, regardless of whether omnic children actually existed
I think it's just like that
valid shell
I don't
Think that's the case.
Because it's not a movie, it's a ride advertisement.
They don't put dog people on ads for rides just because dogs exist.
dire timber
they sure put them in TV advertisements though
valid shell
Not for rides.
regal coyote
the thing is, an omnic child may just be an omnic with shorter bodyparts to resemmble children.
so it is mroe peter drinkage than child despite the appeal
what i am saying is, there might be omnic in smaller body to feed a function, be it movie, or child companion or other lines of work, whatever it is. but they are not child per se, only some ai with a child like body.
quasi schooner
Like in the robots movie? Some assembly required?
valid shell
That's the meem.
quasi schooner
Ikeamnic
cunning ledge
Atlas News report on "Blizzard World marketing department accused of taking money from international terrorist group to include offensive 'Omnic Child' image on poster" when
cedar galleon
Id like an explanation for humanoid omnics and their birth
quasi schooner
Explanation: see the movie “robots”
cunning ledge
'[anything] when' is a way of saying 'when will this happen'
@Jumunculus#4897 they were first designed and created for manual labour by Omnica
For some goddamn reason they installed them with sapient intelligence
And then the company went bankrupt leaving thousands of these self aware intelligent robots just lying around doing stuff on the planet
iron plume
did they install sapient intelligence or did it, just, like, happen?
obviously there’d have to be self learning, but we kinda have that already
cunning ledge
the self learning thing is only mentioned in reference to the crisis tho
iron plume
it’s not that unreasonable (especially in fiction) that the intelligence they installed was just so the bots could complete tasks “smarter”
cunning ledge
well yeah
cunning ledge
it would be easier to integrate a workforce that you could just tell it to do stuff instead of having to program commands
"When Omnica Corporation revolutionized robotic manufacturing, it seemed the world was on the verge of entering an economic golden age. Their massive factories of automated construction machines and self-improving software algorithms were patented, marketed as "omniums," and installed on every continent."
when future proofing goes too far
there is, of course, no mention of the details of what the worker boiz actually did during the crisis
i'd rather not think that all the currently existing ones went on a rampage
makes more sense for the war campaign omnics to be the ones under direct command of whatever entity started the crisis
as they were created for that purpose
dire timber
the Omnic Crisis is an overly-vague mess
dire timber
at least give us a firm outline of the major events - and then add background details to it if you wish
it's how Star Wars handles it
dire timber
battles on Yavin, Endor, etc. had more going on in books, comics, and games
but the basics of these events were firmly in place for as long as OT existed
cunning ledge
cancel the graphic novel because we have no idea what to do next and we might need design space
make the mcguffin item into a hero because why not
etc etc
iron plume
because why not
because fans asked for it
dire timber
Soundquake next
iron plume
although i mean
for a pulled-out-of-ass hero they've done a bang up job
cunning ledge
I always wondered if having the third doomfist as a silhouette was incredible foresight or just luck
on the posters
because the hero gallery image has the same outline
it's obviously the same image
iron plume
I think by the time the map was released they already considered making him a hero
dire timber
foresight - they already had the concept design ready at Numbani release
I don't think they had anything but the design though
cunning ledge
^
i don't even think they had the three doomfists idea when the cinematic trailer came out
dire timber
yep
I don't think they even thought about Doomfist being African
cinematic silhouette was vastly different
it looked like just some generic armored bad guy
at first, it was just a bad guy with a powered fist that Widowmaker and Reaper want to snach
then, they drew up the concepts, decided that Doomfist would be from Africa, that he'd a part of Talon, and then they drew up his predecessors
and then they went on to make him a playable hero
cunning ledge
"doomfist should do his own dirty work" never even made it into the game iirc
dire timber
remember when we thought that Scourge was the one that was defeated by Winston?
or that Reaper was just a hired gun with a vendetta against Overwatch, with no lasting ties to Talon?
iron plume
remember reaper being active for decades?
dire timber
or when everyone thought Mercy had something to do with Reaper's state, because there just wasn't anyone else to attribute it to
iron plume
it didn't make sense even back then
iron plume
"popular belief"
don't you mean common misconception
dire timber
funniest thing Jeff ever said
it was never popular belief
nobody thought he was a leader
iron plume
eeehhh
I'm not sure it was "popular", but some people did believe that
dire timber
I don't think I've ever seen people believe that, and I did see people believe some weird shit
cunning ledge
my personal favourite is "you might have recognised her also from the comic book we put out last year called Fighting Dragons"
cunning ledge
jeff wanted to name the comic that but chu wouldn't let him
so this is his act of defiance
stark widget
@cunning ledge It's really no surprise that the next comic or short or even simple lore information will be something we already seen. I remember when Uprising first came out and bastions were shown to be dropping from the sky. It hit me off the bat that it was something shown already(the bastion flashback)
cunning ledge
hmm
also apparently there's at least one new deathmatch map coming with the event
called Petra
can't find an actual source but apparently it's a thing
any ideas what/where that could be?
probably going to be the actual real life landmark
worthy rose
if i'm right
cunning ledge
it's in a country called jordan apparently
worthy rose
it seems I was wrong
cunning ledge
in the middle east
pharah meets ana near petra for a cinematic, anyone?
not sure how they'd make a ruined city in the middle east look much different from ToA or necropolis tho tbh
dire timber
@stark widget er, the Bastion flashback had little to do with Uprising tho
regal coyote
i think he means the design of the drop pod is similar to those used by the null sectors
but the drop pod is also shown in the pvp mp
oh a personal question, when did Rein start to use the lion as his emblem?
cunning ledge
i think after he repaired his armour with brigitte
regal coyote
it is interesting to note, in the model of the crusader armor in game, his shield is of the griffin, like baldar
cunning ledge
he swapped from the german griffin to his own personal lion
im pretty sure the griffin is just a german thing in general
which is why balderich, young rein, and the eichenwalde castle all have it
regal coyote
but in the uprising event though eh is already having lion as his shield
so it i pre brig
cunning ledge
oh true
must be just his post crusaders thing then
because he's not fighting for germany any more
so he doesn't use the german symbol
regal coyote
well changing an emblem is a big thing to a warrior, not something like you do for the lulz
cunning ledge
when he was invited to overwatch maybe he changed it as a sign of respect
regal coyote
wait did all crusader have griffins?
iron plume
Petra has a place in my heart from playing civ5
cunning ledge
the one on the poster and waifu crusader don't have it
because their designs are boring and non detailed
iron plume
but I agree there's not much you can do that's really all that different from anubis aesthetic-wise
cunning ledge
young rein and balderich both have griffins
also, the banner opposite the eichenwalde throne has a griffin
regal coyote
so it is a eichenwalde /crusader thing then
iron plume
do you mean the griffin on Crusader skin?
iron plume
Germany has an eagle
cunning ledge
oh ok
stark widget
The griffin symbol? Germany? It's used often in Germany's history
cunning ledge
well
pharah is already a bird of some sort
maybe they thought a griffin would be cooler for the crusaders
iron plume
the typical symbol for germany is closer to the one on Bundeswehr https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/overwatch_gamepedia/thumb/2/2b/Reinhardt_Skin_Bundeswehr.png/600px-Reinhardt_Skin_Bundeswehr.png
cunning ledge
although being an epic skin he still has the lion shield
stark widget
Yep, that Eagle is seen throughout Germany's history
I think in the Holy Roman Empire it was used quite often
Even now
cunning ledge
i might be totally ignorant here but didn't nazi germany use an eagle
maybe that's why
iron plume
yeah it was on the flag of HRE
stark widget
Well, the Eagle pre-nazi germany was more of a Griffin-Eagle Hybrid
iron plume
although that was two-headed
stark widget
The Eagle in Nazi Germany was a Pure Eagle that has been used by the Roman Empire and some others throughout history
iron plume
the bundeswehr design seems grabbed from the modern german CoA: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Coat_of_arms_of_Germany.svg/200px-Coat_of_arms_of_Germany.svg.png
cunning ledge
my theory is that the crusaders use a griffin because it's a german thing and the crusaders, the protectors of germany, have it on their armour
stark widget
Yep
cunning ledge
its in the castle because ?? it looks cool??
stark widget
More like a heritage thing
iron plume
well the castle is also german, and it's from the times where such things were more common
so it makes sense
stark widget
Of country symbols
cunning ledge
the flag also has the same colour scheme as balderich
which makes me think maybe at some point it was literally his castle
for whatever reason
iron plume
it'd have to be a widow-type deal where he went back to an abandoned one
cunning ledge
yeah
regal coyote
well it is a base fort for the crusaders
so having an old castle makes sense
also castle is more common than we think
cunning ledge
is it tho
unless you mean temporary
for that one offensive
it kinda looks like they're advancing from it at one point in honor and glory
but that video cares not for the laws of space-time anyway
peak escarp
yeah, the staging in that short is all over the place
cunning ledge
anyway
i think when rein left the crusaders he changed to a lion out of respect
possibly thats also why he cut down on the decorative stuff too
also to make it look more like a uniform for Overwatch
peak escarp
here's a thought
German symbol is the eagle, maybe Balderich combined his personal symbol (a lion) with the eagle to get the griffon
so Reinhardt took up the lion to honor Balderich
regal coyote
and brig took it and make it into a gloriied kitty for the cat lady she is
cunning ledge
if anyone did, torb did
worthy rose
Brig has a cougar
cunning ledge
w-what
regal coyote
not yet. in time she will be
wispy sonnet
Brigitte was a rushed out hot fix for the meta with the same face as mercy- change my mind.
peak escarp
no
pearl blade
Serious discussion pls
blazing storm
Can someone suggest in what order I should read the comics?
peak escarp
they are largely non-sequential, so the order doesn't particularly matter
but if you want the setup for "Searching", watch the animated short "Infiltration" before you read it
blazing storm
I want to have an idea of what is going on, what's talon and black watch and overwatch
peak escarp
you can read them in any order and get the same information
blazing storm
I think I've watched all the animated short
peak escarp
I'd just go with release order then
blazing storm
Great, I haven't yet read cause I didn't want to miss stuff by not doing it in order
If you say it's okay I guess I'll start em!
peak escarp
the timeline of most of the comics is pretty unclear
blazing storm
Thanks for the info anyway!!!
peak escarp
most of them are set post-recall, but a few are flahsbacks to the golden age of Overwatch, and "Old Soldiers", "Masquerade" and "Binary" start to push the plot forward a little
blazing storm
Great!! Tyy
compact rune
Reaper takes off his mask in Infinity war
pearl blade
Serious discussion please @compact rune
peak hearth
There is actually a lot of information to show that every overwatch character is, in fact, gay or bi
peak escarp
false
peak hearth
@compact rune nice
@peak escarp however, there is more information to show that u mum gay
peak escarp
wow real mature
peak hearth
@pearl blade no im drunk
pearl blade
But (as far as I know) there's 3 characters that we know their orientation. Tracer is lesbian, Torb is straight and has a wife and Widowmaker had a husband
peak escarp
yes
peak hearth
@pearl blade trying to make serious discussion out of my random ass comment
@pearl blade i like you
peak escarp
that's the only indication we've been given of any of the heroes' orientations
pearl blade
Ty
peak escarp
Guillermo Portero, CEO of Lumerico, also has a husband named Muigel
echo snow
Wasn't Genji a ladies' man in his youth?
pearl blade
I think there's something referring to that, yeah
peak hearth
but there isnt anything definitive about his orientation
peak hearth
yeah fo sho
wait wasnt there something mentioning rein had a wife though
i might be remembering wrong though
regal coyote
no info on rein
pearl blade
Might be Torb you're thinking about. I'm not sure if Rein is confirmed having a spouse or not
regal coyote
we dont know about rein
there was suggestion on him being charming and maybe even flirty towards ana way back, so at least he is somewhat interest in females i guess
oh yeah ana ad least had a mn at some point
bronze sky
We know ana is straight
peak escarp
plenty of non-straight orientations allow the possibility of having children
bronze sky
🤔
peak hearth
its true moira
bronze sky
Still though we know she wad at least attracted to men at some point
peak escarp
yes
regal coyote
not sure about winston, but yeah.
so far from what we know all human characters have rather normal taste in their preference, so there is no one that is interested in winston, or fucking omnics
peak hearth
Yeah but we know from the blizzard shorts that omnics have been in relationships with humans
peak escarp
we know he's a monk who left his order because of a disagreement on how best to spread their philosophy
regal coyote
@peak hearth yes, but none of those omnic fuckers are main characters, or even named characters
shrewd folio
I have evidence that Reyes was reaper before the fight in Sweden in retribution there was an interaction with Moira that went something like this: M: shame we missed the masquerade. R: didn’t think that was your scene. M: well your not the only one who likes to dress up. It’s not a stretch to think that this is referring to him dressing up in his reaper disguise. Moira and Reyes must be fairly close Ashe let her experiment on him and I doubt they both joined talon without discussing it with each-other so they may have been close enough for him to admit to being the reaper to her.
peak escarp
it could also be referring to the fact that Reyes enjoys costuming
remember the Halloween comic?
shrewd folio
Oh yeah with the pumpkin thing
dire timber
that's the first thing I thought about
in fact, it is a stretch to claim that Moira's talking about Reaper outfit, especially in a casual chatter in McCree's and Genji's company
imho
shrewd folio
That does make sense fair enough ‘‘twas just a theory.
dire timber
here's my timeline
1 - Reyes is carrying out black ops missions
2 - someone witnessed him in action, but couldn't see him clearly
3 - the witness reported that they witnessed a "Reaper" killing trained soldiers one after another
4 - others report a similar events
5 - eventually, Reyes gets the ability to turn into shadow from Moira, and those abilities are now also brought up in stories
6 - Reyes turns against Overwatch, embraces the mantle of a "Reaper", designs his costume and begins working with Talon
shrewd folio
Where’s the evidence for 1-4
peak hearth
AN OVERWATCH THEORY
valid shell
He means it's a theory.
dire timber
stop
peak hearth
AAAAAAAAAAND CUT
valid shell
Stop.
peak hearth
no
valid shell
You're not making anyone laugh.
peak hearth
just myself
shrewd folio
@peak hearth we are trying to discuss lore keep jokes to general if that’s ok
peak escarp
I like Slignerd's theory
dire timber
@peak hearth shitposting will result in loss of access
peak hearth
ok sorry
peak escarp
it's the best way to explain the "decades" in Reaper's bio
peak hearth
what website do you guys use for the lore primarily
cunning ledge
discord?
dire timber
hero biohraphies, animated shorts, comics, blog posts, Michael Chu tweets
and in-game lore blurbs
cunning ledge
the stuff in the pins in this channel is basically everything
pearl blade
I mostly use here tbh
iron plume
there's also a dedicated sub/discord
but they're a little weird
cunning ledge
am mod
peak hearth
i actually dont know too much about the lore because i dont play overwatch. Could someone explain why soldier 76 says 'we're all soldiers now'
iron plume
it implies that it's everyone's fight
cunning ledge
i think now is in reference to after the fall of overwatch
shrewd folio
Yeah I’d like to think Reyes was like a brutal vigilante killing those who over watch wouldn’t, similar to what he did in retribution. No evidence it’s just cool
peak hearth
ok cool thanks
shrewd folio
I’m considering creating a lore discord just so we could keep stuff more organised idk if you guys would be on board
cunning ledge
two is probably already enough?
cunning ledge
i'll dm
shrewd folio
Thanks
iron plume
there's another one?
cunning ledge
this one and the subreddit one
iron plume
oh you count this one, alright
peak hearth
yeah i was confusion
shrewd folio
I have a theory that soldier may have a son
iron plume
thought you mean another lore server
cunning ledge
@shrewd folio why though
shrewd folio
I’m just getting the evidence brb
peak hearth
@shrewd folio cool, i defs want to hear it
dire timber
@shrewd folio you mean the picture in Old Soldiers?
I tend to ignore that tbh
too little to go off
peak hearth
@shrewd folio idk the pic
shrewd folio
Can’t post the image
cunning ledge
you need to link to a hosted version
shrewd folio
I’ve dm him it
peak hearth
Yeah thanks for that
cunning ledge
any other info that isn't that one image to support your theory?
worthy rose
valid shell
@dire timber @shrewd folio It's in Reflections, not Old Soldiers.
dire timber
ah, right
past goblet
valid shell
@past goblet ?
low axle
I still wonder how much of Genji's body is a MAchine..alot of it to be sure...but still
His legs are..and at least one arm def is..
peak escarp
Yeah
peak escarp
His torso and upper legs seem intact, but those knee joints have to be artificial
low axle
Judging from the blackwatch skin I'd assume a Cybernetic Heart...but could be wrong.
valid shell
His legs and right arm are gone, and I think in his current model, he's replaced his left arm as well.
low axle
Because he seemed to be alive enough to decide to become a cyborg because he wanted to walk again
according to retrib
valid shell
Since he's come to terms with his condition and is no longer fighting to retain what little of him remains.
peak escarp
"The heart of a man still beats inside me."
low axle
Could be just poetic terms though
peak escarp
Could be
valid shell
Because I'm guessing being mostly machine would hurt less than having flesh grafted to prosthetics, like his Blackwatch model.
And apparently he's in agony at the time of Retribution.
low axle
But that could just be him being forlorn about being mostly machine.
peak escarp
Yeah, I can imagine being half machine would be pretty painful
low axle
Why I wanna know how much of him is him.
low axle
Maybe. But then again no one else complains about there cybernetics hurting
peak escarp
We haven't seen anyone else still recovering
Retribution-era Genji would still be adapting to his new body
low axle
In short can we get a prequal comic at least showing badly Hanzo Maimed him o.o
peak escarp
His fight was pretty recent, 2-3 years at most, I think
low axle
that would answer alot of questions
valid shell
Nobody else has internal organs replaced.
Just arms and legs at the shoulder/elbow/knee.
low axle
No one that we know of anyway I agree.
But it seems hinted at that he could have survived without cybernetics...he'd have just been crippled though for life.
peak escarp
I think his internal organs are mostly intact
His injuries don't seem to be on the body, just the limbs
But it's hard to tell
We haven't seen the full extent of his injuries
low axle
Well Hanzo thought he was dead...so I assume at least some internal injury
but you can survive without alot of your intestines
and such
peak escarp
My uncle lived without his stomach for most of his adult life due to a botched ulcer removal
So some organs can be replaced even with today's technology
low axle
Yup had an aunt with one lung
And is it just me or does the blackwatch skin make it look like he has some eye modifactions too
cause I swear you cans ee a dim red light behind them
mossy kestrel
maybe he was just an ugly mf
peak escarp
Yeah, his eyes glow red
valid shell
It's either augmented eyes, sci-fi contact lenses, or his visor projects a red HUD onto his eyes.
low axle
truth.
peak escarp
Ocular modification seems more to enhance his skills than out of necessity
low axle
Still I just wanna know if he can eat, and if he can can he taste. This would answer some questions about how much of him is still a man too
peak escarp
Ana had a cybernetic eye to help with sniping
low axle
Wasn't that the eye widowshotout?
mossy kestrel
does he need to oil himself
peak escarp
If you can trust the voice lines, he can at least taste
low axle
Does he have a Vader like Session every few months where he's just a torso and head
while his suit undergoes check ups?
peak escarp
He talks about sharing chocolates with Angela, and there's a rare line on Hanamura where he says ramen doesn't taste the same
low axle
yea which makes me wonder if he can taste
peak escarp
For some reason I imagine it like the little boy from the movie AI: Artificial Intelligence
low axle
or if its diluted
peak escarp
When he tried to eat, it broke his parts
low axle
I hate fighting him, but his backstory is one of the ones I really would love more details of.
peak escarp
Same
low axle
Also totally guilty of shipping him and Mercy
mossy kestrel
can genji take a shit??
peak escarp
That depends if he can eat or not
low axle
Like I seriously wanna know how much of his torso is human. Not because I wanna know if he sitll has a dick...but honestly it seems like his lowerbody is just not there jduging by his cybernetics
mossy kestrel
@valid shell I know
peak escarp
You could always try asking Chu, but don't expect an answer
mossy kestrel
it's probably because I'm tired and bored I'll stop now
valid shell
Looking at his Blackwatch skin, apparent inability to eat, and the slashed tapestry in Hanamura, all signs were pointing to Genji being bisected diagonally from behind until Chu revealed he's got a dong.
peak escarp
I still think the translation got it wrong
Or something
It just doesn't make sense
peak escarp
If you want to know, just ask
valid shell
@mossy kestrel Check out the pins if you want to learn more.
peak escarp
We know a good deal about the backstories and are eager to discuss it
peak escarp
Yep
frosty shell
Being cut from behind isn't necessary inconsistent with him having working nether regions
low axle
Thats why we need a comic showing the fight
to know what injuries he took
hell for all we know he could have gotten grenaded.
probably not but stil
frosty shell
Mercy's inventions un-paralyzed him, that's why he wears the suit despite its problems (as he said in retribution)
Maybe the reason why ramen isn't the same is he doesn't have working kidneys?
Ramen might have too much sodium in it
valid shell
Any part of his digestive tract missing would hinder his ability to process carb-filled foods like ramen.
frosty shell
Yeah, but he can eat chocolate... though maybe it doesn't get digested.
low axle
Does he even taste it?
Hell not to be nasty..but does he go tot he restroom? Or is internal colosmy bags
or however its spelt
frosty shell
Maybe that's what those circular things on his chest are for....
low axle
maybe
Well we know he either directly lost his legs or suffered a very bad spinal injury due to the "I wanted to walk again" line
I mean he doesn't have legs now true
but you know
frosty shell
The blackwatch skin shows tubes plugged into the sockets below his lungs that connect to the back of his skull...
So maybe they were re-routing the nerve signals around the damaged part of his body?
low axle
possibly
frosty shell
and the unplugged ones are for emergency if the system fails
the chest plate may be for power a la iron man
And may also where his cpu is
low axle
Maybe. We need more info damn it Blizzard.
Like if I had to guess personally I'd say 3/4ths of his body is probably cybernetic
minimum
I kinda think he might have been cut in half. Judging purely from how smooth his crotch is not to get dirty once agian.
survivable but unlikely
limpid agate
His man bits work
So if he was cut in half
Its a little more complicated than just slicing his torso
limpid agate
Are you suggesting the three are linked
im p sure she would hate meeting sombra
Why
Except Sym and Sombra both directly work for Talon leaders
Sym doesn't know this
Sombra does.
So if Vishkar does push into Sombra's stomping grounds
Sombra will either not care
Or be against Talon entirely
Not just Sym
So then, the whole Vishkar pushing into Dorado thing
Would mean that Talon's higher ups are intentionally knocking on Sombra's door and saying this is ours now.
And she is an ally of at least 2 of them.
valid shell
It also depends on how much influence Sanjay actually has in Vishkar.
Is he one of the higher-ups? Or is he just a middle-management mole for Talon.
limpid agate
Id imagine he is at least upper management
If not the head, at least someone very very important
valid shell
What do you mean?
Utopaea is where Vishkar made their start, so I'm assuming the public didn't rebel as much because their infrastructure was being completely rebuilt post-Omnic Crisis.
dense estuary
He’s not the CEO but is certainly C level exec
valid shell
Instead of just overhauled like in Rio.
dense estuary
Utopaea was it repair or greenfield do we know?
valid shell
All we know is: "Following the Omnic Crisis, the Vishkar Corporation of southern India began the laborious process of creating new, self-sustaining cities to house the nation's displaced population. One such city, Utopaea, was created using radical hard-light technology that enabled its architechs to shape the city's streets, utilities, and living spaces in the blink of an eye."
dense estuary
That sounds greenfield to me
valid shell
There's also the fact that Vishkar is an Indian company, and Utopaea is an Indian city.
While Vishkar's redevelopment of Rio is a foreign element.
Also, Lucio suggests that Vishkar stole the Sonic Suppression tech, so they might not have even had it at the time of Utopaea.
dense estuary
Utopaea also sounds like a fully ground up new city
valid shell
I wonder what other contracts Vishkar has had? We know of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and (possibly) Sydney, Australia, since there's a Vishkar building on the (semi-canon) Lucioball map.
dense estuary
Rather than trying to turn old Detroit into Delta City. To reference a movie
valid shell
They want to redevelop Dorado, Mexico, and they want to get influence in Oasis, Iraq.
limpid agate
@valid shell I think what's interesting is
Those are places Sym says she thinks would be good expansions
And both places with strong Talon members present
She doesn't know Sanjay is playing for the team with strong footholds in both
valid shell
I wouldn't be surprised if Utopaea was actually a benevolent passion project, back when Vishkar was finding it's footing, when it actually wanted to improve the world before it turned to Corporate-Lawful Evil.
valid shell
@limpid agate Either Vishkar's already got subtle influence in Oasis (through Talon) that Symmetra isn't aware of, or Moira's proposition for it was quashed by the other ministers, or Moira just doesn't want Vishkar's presence.
dense estuary
Moira may see Vishkar as just another overbearing control happy group
Corporations by their nature like control
Umbrella
limpid agate
Vishkar is exploiting people
For profits/power
One of the two or both
Dont remember which specifically
Moira doesn't care for either
A company run by Moira would be more like UAC
We know teleportation is a bad idea. We know people don't want to participate in our tests.
But fuck it, we'll do it anyways
Not for motive of power or profit
Just because they can
Or Vault-Tec
Where every single vault was an experiment
Not for any real reason either, iirc
limpid agate
Companies like Abstergo, Aesir, Phenotrans, GenTek
All have motives of profits or power
A hypothetical Moira run company wouldn't
valid shell
Aah.
I never understand what problematic means.
I would like to get a better look at Oasis.
Since it's basically Desert Rapture™.
No Gods or Kings, only Man.
I would want a more concise showcase of the photon tech first.
Because at the moment it's kind of amorphous.
Since it's a mix of vitality-draining energy? And translucent barriers? And solid white plasti-steel tech?
Maybe they do need the raw materials, and just use hard-light to manipulate and construct it.
Which is why Symmetra can only make small constructs in battle.
There's a lot of tech in OW that doesn't make sense.
Like the Slipstream/Chronal Accelerator. And Nanobiotics. And Pulse Munitions. And Hard-Light.
And Omnics.
echo snow
I think all of those can possibly be explained
valid shell
Of course they can be explained.
Other works of fiction have explained away weirder concepts.
But as of yet, Overwatch hasn't shown the worldbuilding chops to actually give a concise explanation.
So they're opting to just give us nothing.
echo snow
As far as technology goes, they're probably going to keep it that way. Doesn't really add anything to the story, which is a lot of effort to fix as it is
dense estuary
Another reason for Moira to not like Vishkar. It’s not uncommon to see companies claim developments by people under their command as their own invention
valid shell
If Doomfist's Origin Video is any indication, it would be 0 gameplay.
Because she'd just be blinked between timelines until they can recover her again.
shrewd folio
Known members of the recalled overwatch:
Tracer (answered Winston/fought in museum)
Winston(obviously)
Mei(received and was inspired by Winstons call)
Genji (fought doomfist with tracer and winston)
valid shell
@shrewd folio Genji, Tracer, and Winston fought and captured Doomfist before Overwatch fell.
I know it's confusing because they're all in their current outfits, but chalk that up to the outsourced animation company.
shrewd folio
You sure, uprising was out before this was put together
valid shell
I'm positive.
worthy rose
I'm pretty sure Zenyatta made Genji's classic skin
worthy rose
Well, when Genji met Zenyatta he wore the Bedoun skins
valid shell
So let me fix that for you:
CONFIRMED MEMBERS:
Winston and Tracer.
MEMBERS WHO WILL BE JOINING (but are unconfirmed):
Reinhardt, Brigitte, and Mei.
SUSPECTED MEMBERS:
Torbjorn, Bastion, and Genji.
worthy rose
Mei is confirmed from the short
peak escarp
Mei is confirmed from her journal
valid shell
But she hasn't actually rendezvoused with them yet.
So she intends to rejoin, but she's travelling/taking care of business/etc.
She's not actually bunking with them yet.
valid shell
Except Tracer's engaged in post-Recall Overwatch activity with Winston, so she's in.
peak escarp
"So I'm starting this journal. Honestly, I'm not sure who's going to want to read this. It was the idea of my colleague, Winston. He thinks that people will find my "unique" perspective interesting."
So Mei has talked with Winston and actually answered the call, not just thought about it
worthy rose
Rein and Mei are confirmed
shrewd folio
There’s a photo somewhere that I can’t find of Genji in an overwatch uniform in his current armour @worthy rose
valid shell
I feel like (and this is just my thoughts) that Genji was upgraded to his current suit after Blackwatch was suspended and he began running missions with Overwatch proper, like capturing Doomfist.
In the last couple years of Overwatch, post-Uprising.
shrewd folio
Yeah
worthy rose
McCree is in his blackwatch otufit though
shrewd folio
What is that from btw
peak escarp
it's on Winston's computer in Recall
you can see it on the Watchpoint: Gibraltar map as well
shrewd folio
Oh cool
valid shell
There's this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OytzThbIBsE/maxresdefault.jpg
From the cinematic trailer.
But it isn't canon, since Pharah's in the background.
valid shell
Who's May?
Ah.
No, Lucio's probably also nonlethal, canonically.
Winston too, probably.
worthy rose
they havent killed it though
valid shell
Zarya's probably only fought Omnics.
worthy rose
Symmetra hasnt killed
valid shell
Yes she has.
cunning ledge
Tracer's probably killed some Omnics
shrewd folio
Tracer probably killed someone
cunning ledge
Symmetra has definitely killed people
valid shell
Symmetra's explicitly killed.
worthy rose
who has mercy killed?
valid shell
worthy rose
oh damn
valid shell
Mercy almost definitely hasn't killed anyone.
worthy rose
tech support sending out viruses
cunning ledge
Mercy hasn't been shown to kill anyone yet
shrewd folio
Well mercy has a gun I wouldn’t be surprised though
cunning ledge
It would kinda ruin her image
valid shell
Her sidearm is likely for suppression or a deterrent.
peak escarp
Bastion hasn't killed anyone
cunning ledge
^
worthy rose
Has Torbjorn directly killed anyone? He helped create the Omnics but did he himself kill anyone
cunning ledge
Torbjorn fought in the crisis yo
worthy rose
he was their mechanic
peak escarp
doesn't mean he didn't see combat
worthy rose
Zenyatta, Orisa & Brigitte probably havent
peak escarp
I'd say it's fair to assume Brigitte hasn't killed anyone
cunning ledge
Orisa hasn't killed anyone yeah
shrewd folio
Torb obviously fought as he was active in op:whitedome
valid shell
I doubt either Brigitte or Orisa have canonically had the opportunity to fight anyone.
And Lucio's not just a DJ.
But I don't think he's killed.
worthy rose
And Lucio is a huge hero so if he did boop anyone to their deaths his reputation wouldnt be the same
peak escarp
the most Orisa might have had to deal with is stopping a mugger or something like that
valid shell
His equipment is based on riot control tech, so it's definitely nonlethal.
worthy rose
I don't see Lucio killing anyone on purpose
At most accidentally booping someone out of a building or something
valid shell
Again: If there was a cinematic or comic showing Mercy/Lucio/Brigitte/Orisa/etc. having to kill, I'd be fine with it.
But as it stands, they're likely all clean.
worthy rose
Winston may have killed some space apes
shrewd folio
I think Brigitte must have killed to protect or help Reinhardt
valid shell
I think she might have to eventually, but at the moment? I'm guessing she still hasn't seen combat, canonically.
shrewd folio
Ok
valid shell
Unrelated, but Brigitte's armaments would look amazing animated in a short.
Being able to use them fluidly outside of gameplay restraints.
shrewd folio
Same thing for symettra having the full power of hardlight
I’d like to see a short of symettra being torn between joining talon(like the rest of vishkar) or overwatch
iron plume
I doubt she'll get an invite to overwatch, at least not before leaving Vishkar
but she doesn't need OW to show her Vishkar is evil, she's already having doubts in her comic
valid shell
She would make a great companion for Hanzo.
Both used by their respective nefarious organizations since birth, and both (probably) pursued by assassins from said groups.
shrewd folio
Hanzo and symettra being like traveling vigilantes like Reinhardt and Brigitte would be cool
valid shell
Since Hanzo strongly implies that the Shimada Clan has sent assassins after him in Dragons.
Would be a fun pair, since Hanzo's a luddite who uses archaic weaponry and ideals, and Symmetra's arguably the most high-tech hero.
shrewd folio
Sym could perhaps make him a hardlight bow (not as a gift simply because hanzos bow isn’t perfectly balanced in weight or something else like that)
valid shell
You know.
I didn't even consider that.
Since the Shimada spirit dragons being hard-light is the most popular theory.
iron plume
Why would hanzo's bow not be balanced just how he wants it
I could see a hardlight one happening, but in more of a "captured and had their weapons taken" situation
valid shell
Really, if Hanzo was an actual Japanese archer, his bow would be intentionally unbalanced and asymmetrical.
Since he'd be using one of these: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Professor_Inagaki_Genshiro.jpg/800px-Professor_Inagaki_Genshiro.jpg
shrewd folio
That would piss symettra off so much
valid shell
As it stands, the way he holds his bow is more Greek or Mongolian.
iron plume
even "normal" bows aren't balanced perfectly if they're old tech
people who use the same one get used to it and incorporate it
valid shell
Hell, Hanzo's musculature would already trigger Symmetra, since archery fucks up your muscles.
Not in the sense of like
Ruining them. Moreso it just makes your entire body asymmetrical.
peak escarp
Unsightly
valid shell
Having his tiddy out would already be enough to make her hyperventilate.
But at least that's historically accurate, even if his yumi isn't:
GG Blizzard, I guess.
shrewd folio
She’d probably make him have two bows
Symettra could have left vishkar whilst on a mission in Japan. When she left she leaked loads of vishkars ties with talon. This leads talon to hunt down symettra. She has a fight in a Japanese alleyway with some troopers that had found her. Eventually she is overpowered but hanzo saves her. Symettra dons a new outfit and hanzo outs on okami before escaping to the mountains
*puts on not outs on
echo snow
That's awfully specific
shrewd folio
Yup
valid shell
Eh, I'd rather they save each other.
Impromptu back-to-back teamup without even introducing each other.
shrewd folio
That’s pretty cool
valid shell
Talon agents after Symmetra through Sanjay, to tie up loose ends.
Talon agents after Hanzo to kill off the heir to the Shimada Clan so they can claim it.
shrewd folio
They both end up in a bar (symettra is there because they wouldn’t expect her to be) talon agents flood both sides of the bar que back to back battle
shrewd folio
He could say simple geometry and then she could correct him saying that using a bow is actually simple aerodynamics
shrewd folio
Simple geo-damn you Kaplan
peak hearth
oh hi again caffeine
quasi schooner
I think the dragon arrow is hard light too, not the dragon, the arrow btw
cunning ledge
but
in Dragons he uses a regular ol' arrow to fire it
literally one that was just stuck in the ground from when he fired it the first time
so that can't be true
drowsy wadi
Dosent the arrow shine blue in the game
cunning ledge
key word is in game
it also shines blue in the cinematic anyway
he fires the arrow
and it just fuckin stops existing
and the dragons appear
low axle
Hard to say until they say for certain. Could be nano machinery or some sort of cybernetic they both have. But they said there is no magic in overwatch during one blizzcon I believe. So its all science somehow
drowsy wadi
Then its probably not hardlight
drowsy wadi
I mean no
But it being hardlight dosent make sense if it can go though walls
@light herald Dont think this should be here
cunning ledge
<@&397922982632226816>
drowsy wadi
Go advertise somewhere else
light herald
Ok. sorry
terse oak
dire timber
"Looking at his Blackwatch skin, apparent inability to eat, and the slashed tapestry in Hanamura, all signs were pointing to Genji being bisected diagonally from behind until Chu revealed he's got a dong."
@valid shell not sure where you got that from
he does have a scar on his chest, but
if he were cut like that, he'd die within seconds
paper gazelle
Wait what he can't eat?!
dire timber
that's reaching - just cause "it's just not the same anymore" doesn't mean he can't eat
Archives sprays show him and Hanzo eating ramen
after what they've both been through, of course it won't be the same
cunning ledge
true
iron plume
uh what
paper gazelle
I think Genji can still eat
Since he still can talk, which goes to show that he still has his mouth
dire timber
his torso is intact
scarred, but intact
his legs are gone
his right arm is gone
I honestly don't understand why people are insisting on him losing more than that
and mock Chu when their headcanons don't align with canon
paper gazelle
Yeah
Like
What's wrong with Genji still having his penis and other stuff e.g. his digestive system?
It seems like many people assume that Genji is something like RoboCop, who apparently only still has his face, lungs and heart
quasi schooner
Cyber man
worthy rose
Can someone tell the whole overwatch lore?
quasi schooner
Yes but get them to DM you as there is a character limit in discord
worthy rose
Who can?
iron plume
read the comics and posts, and watch the shorts in the pins
dire timber
"tell the whole Overwatch lore", lol
anyhow, yeah, if you want to get into it, check the pins
quasi schooner
Is bastion never seen as a tank, cause I thought he is, but I don’t have time to check RN
iron plume
We know there's a bastion tank
from Uprising and Honor&Glory
But we haven't seen either "our" bastion or any recon/sentry bastion turn into a tank
So they could be different models
valid shell
We've also seen the tank blueprint projected when the authorities were discussing "our" Bastion.
iron plume
in binary?
dire timber
I mean
they heard rumors of a Bastion unit - they had no evidence, and the only people who saw it was that couple
so they pulled bastion blueprints
that's not really evidence of anything
so yeah, what Party said still stands
we know there is a tank Bastion
but nothing about a recon/sentry Bastion turning into one
regal coyote
actually if anything we have prove bastion turn from/to recon/turret, but so far NONE turns from/to tank in any story or npc storyline mission
tank exist as a tank all along
so there is no proof one way or another that normal bastion can turn into tank
maybe therre is a tank type bastion that turns from/to tank and recon
quasi schooner
Is our bastion even the same as a bastion?
regal coyote
he is one of them mny
he is a simple creation.
but bastion have many variants, we know of a few difference in equipment. then again they can be modular and be changing parts between battles
quasi schooner
Fair enough. So our bastion could be a standard modular bastion with an added tank module and parts specified parts for the city a may know the name of, but can’t remember?
iron plume
"added tank module" may be purely gameplay
again we haven't seen any tank from the bastion
quasi schooner
the ?
dire timber
the hero/the character
regal coyote
kinda suck blizz/torby have not named bastion yet
dire timber
we should refer to the character as Bastion E54
granted, E54 itself is also just a Bastion type
but so far there were no other E54s
so it's the safest bet
quasi schooner
ESA?
quasi schooner
I know but as a nick, in the same way it’s OR-15 A
dire timber
and Bastion E54 is a standard issue Bastion
so far, E54 was only seen as recon/sentry
" We know there's a bastion tank
from Uprising and Honor&Glory
But we haven't seen either "our" bastion or any recon/sentry bastion turn into a tank
So they could be different models "
this was the clearest statement on this
I don't understand why there's any confusion after that's been said
regal coyote
note that even in honor and glory the tand bastion did not transform on screen, so we dont even know if tank mastion can transform
regal coyote
So by all account tank bastion may just be a variant that stays in tank mode.
dire timber
mhmn
regal coyote
not even proof tank can transform to recon, let alone turret
it is ;like Macross (yes due to fucking shitlords of harmoney gold you know it as robotech) the YF units have three modes, the jet thing, the mech thing and the walker, but not ALL variants can go into all three modes
makes sense too if you think about it, tank bastion seem to have extra armor
quasi schooner
If they are modular, could be base bastion with only tank module
dire timber
I think tank Bastion might be able to reconfigure into recon - they just rarely do, since tank configuration itself is already mobile and combat-ready
and also, Blizzard would have to design a tank Bastion in recon configuration
which would be unnecessary work, so they're a bit reluctant to do so
quasi schooner
Recon would on,y be for high mobility/rapid fire, right?
dire timber
tanks have higher mobility than recon
I imagine they'd switch to recon for transport and difficult terrain that tanks can't get through
quasi schooner
Tanks can’t climb, and they don’t shave the self stupidity to rocket jump
regal coyote
also tank does not have self repair so far