Hammond hero?
#lore-discussion
dire timber
a comic, at least
the map trailer implied that the team would be going to Horizon
but that, uh, didn't happen
Junkertown at least had The Plan and Wasted Land
sturdy fable
A PvE mode? What, you capture dem monkeys? xD
dire timber
don't "xD"
dire timber
and honestly, I can't picture a PvE lore event in the present
in Archives, people are forced to use their Archives skins
how would it work in present day?
forced to use Classic skins? or any skins allowed?
cunning ledge
@dire timber the lore could literally just be super vague about who he took
So you can pick anyone
Every player and their grandmother is asking for more PvE content so they could just push it out like that
Have the event be focused around winston's mission back to the base but don't have the lore actually impact on the heroes you can pick
I'm sure people would be fine with that
Of course that means that any tie in comic or animated intro would either have to not exist or continue to be super vague
But eh
iron plume
You could go the endless junkerstein route and have a selection
like pick four out of present-overwatch roster
dire timber
that sounds better
but still a bit off
superduper's idea sounds no different than a payload map
tbh
iron plume
the problem is that winstonwatch roster could conceivably have bastion, which is
gameplay wise kind of a killer for pve
cunning ledge
any other ideas for present day pve modes?
something kaiju omnic related is often requested but I still have no idea how that would even work
@worthy rose please don't
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worthy rose
ok
dawn canopy
@zealous bloom @cunning ledge shitposting will result in loss of access
oops wrong ping
cunning ledge
oof
cunning ledge
ey
ok anyway
it mostly depends on how far blizzard would be willing to stray from the regular game in terms of how event modes play out
cunning ledge
junkenstein is defending a point, which is a thing in the game
uprising is pushing a payload, which is a thing in the game
retribution is basically 2cap
so when I see these ideas of a bunch of players fighting one giant kaiju omnic in an arena I don't feel that's realistic
dire timber
Swiss HQ battle
cunning ledge
I had a thought once that if by some chance they do a super ultra high effort kaiju siege mode, where each player is a D.Va but with slightly unique abilities and completely new voice acting to represent different MEKA pilots that would be amazing
the gameplay would be like a giant boss battle with various objectives like get to this part of it and do a thing, shoot this part, etc
no idea how that would actually work in reality
there was also a point where I thought the second lore event had to be the hq battle because there's no way they'd spend another lore event going even further backwards than uprising
dire timber
and they'd probably just make one "generic MEKA pilot" model and apply it to everyone
dire timber
just like they made "generic Crusader" armor
cunning ledge
i mean yeah none of this is realistic
but I can imagine 4 differently coloured mekas that look vaguely the same but one has a giant top mounted rocket launcher, one has longer range basic weapons, etc
the mode and cinematic would introduce three new named characters to expand the dva lore
but also conveniently have no chance of being a hero in the future
iron plume
The thing about present day fights
is no one except for winstonwatch and talon has a four man roster
so anything involving a different fight would be mashing two or more as-of-now unrelated people or “teams” together
cunning ledge
or making up something new like with my inane idea
but yeah
having a pve mode that isn't playing as four heroes already in the game is probably too far away from what a pve mode serves for overwatch
iron plume
especially if the pve hero needs a full fleshed skillset
because like
if there’s different mekas with other skills
a lot of people will inevitably like those more
peak escarp
they were quick to demand Assassin/Sniper/Heavy Assault as playable
and they weren't even playable in Retribution
iron plume
and those don’t even have a full set
just a weapon and one special attack
so yeah i don’t see how event only playable heroes are happening
cunning ledge
ok but to be fair that one guy playing as the heavy assault in comp was hilarious
cunning ledge
event mode introduction as either a boss or a playable character would be amazing
but it would be hard to do it as their first ever appearence due to ptr stuff
peak escarp
yeah
cunning ledge
the only way would be to do the ptr stuff first, and then have the patch that includes the hero launch also have an event mode that includes them
which could make it pretty obvious assuming they don't change the pve event schedule
frosty shell
Maybe the other characters would be AI-only?
peak escarp
How long do you think it took Efi to rebuild Orisa?
limpid agate
Not too long
frosty shell
She didn't have to do much besides replacing the software
And giving it new weapons
limpid agate
Also, I would imagine that if they were to make a PvE boss a playable hero
They would do it like Rialto
frosty shell
How did she manage to get her hands on a Tobelstein reactor though?
limpid agate
Announce that the hero will be playable afterwards
But throw it on PTR some time later
frosty shell
I remember a video wondering if we would get a boss fight v. Doomfist where he was in the shadow or something
limpid agate
I was more expecting a boss fight against Antonio or bomb arm girl
Rather than an established character we know survives
cunning ledge
Antonio boss fight seemed really obvious to me
peak escarp
I was hoping we'd get a Scourge skin for Doomfist and the final boss would be him
cunning ledge
Looked like he was being really hyped up
peak escarp
I was a little disappointed when that wasn't the case
low axle
That would be awesome to get the earlier doomfists as reskins.
junior zinc
Shame I didn’t get his talon skin before the event ended
low axle
Don't worry Hilla I also missed out on Talon DF and Talon Sombra 😦
junior zinc
😭
cunning ledge
Talon confirming that at one point he just built his own bootleg gauntlet is slightly annoying to me
limpid agate
^
junior zinc
Also I have a question : do they release new overwatch cinematics at every blizzcon?
junior zinc
👀 impatiently waits fir this upcoming blizzcon
limpid agate
Gamescom is in August
valid shell
Well, the country's mystique was already spoiled because it can be changed from a left to a right.
worthy rose
well df built his own bootleg gauntlet because the kiddo in the trailer knocked widow with it
cunning ledge
yeah that's the thing
I always assumed that some core component was kept
but apparently that's not worth worrying about
although there has to be some that wasn't updated
because his entire arm had to be purpose built to accept it
valid shell
Akande's bootleg Chinese knockoff gauntlet is silly, but how else would he have beaten The Scourge?
With a gun?
cunning ledge
knuckle guns
oh man if that was a thing
he only beat the scourge because he had hidden guns in his hand
that would be amazing
worthy rose
original design was foot shotguns
cunning ledge
fighting dirty to the extreme
frosty shell
I'm not 100% sure if Doomfist would do that
He is in favor of doing anything you can to win
but he seems slightly honorable
cunning ledge
literally tears off tracer's thing that keeps her anchored in this timeline
that seems pretty rude
dire timber
nice of him not to literally murder her tho
cunning ledge
he's the sort of guy that would accept defeat, but would sure as hell use everything he has to fight
dire timber
just remove her from the scene
cunning ledge
true
junior zinc
His main theme seems to be that defeat makes him stronger
dire timber
well, he's focused on improvement, hence the cybernetics
junior zinc
Would be nice to have a Cinematic featuring all the major talon characters in one place
limpid agate
Infiltration
dire timber
but why
junior zinc
I said
limpid agate
Talon is the only group doing anything
junior zinc
Cinematic
limpid agate
Infiltration was a cinematic
Of the then all major Talon characters in one place
And Masquerade
Was a comic with all 5
Talon has a lot of lore
I want to see Overwatch
The group the game is named after
Actually do something
dire timber
@limpid agate next April Fools event, we should change the server name to /r/Talon
since the game is mostly about Talon now
cunning ledge
/r/Winston's Group of World Criminals
valid shell
But that's not enough I also need to see Doomfist do The Cool Thing.
limpid agate
We have seen Talon heroes do more in the present day than Overwatch heroes
limpid agate
We dont even have a comic of Overwatch doing anything
cunning ledge
they're building up to the reveal that talon's actually the good guys, obviously
limpid agate
Talon has a comic and a short of the whole team
Or at least the whole important team
dire timber
we need Pharah animated short, Symmetra animated short, Zen anything, D.va anything, Lucio anything, Mercy anything
Talon can take a backseat for now
limpid agate
Reaper has more lore than any hero in the game
valid shell
@junior zinc And we do have a cinematic of all the Talon leaders in one place. Moira Origins.
dire timber
well, Moira's Origins is not a cinematic, but that was indeed a cool shot
limpid agate
Doomfist Origins
junior zinc
Best backstory award goes to :
limpid agate
Is surely an exception
valid shell
More than D.Va/Zen/Lucio will ever have.
Doomfist is fine.
He can chill for a hot minute.
dire timber
yeah
cunning ledge
we've got enough on him starting a war we now need to see the war actually happening
dire timber
Doomfist had plenty content already
junior zinc
Mercy cinematic ? 🤔
valid shell
Mercy's at least appeared as a speaking role in a comic and was center stage on Uprising.
dire timber
I wish Mercy had a comic
showing what she's up to these days
she has this big hole in present day, that somehow feels even larger that the other heroes
junior zinc
Wonder when we’ll get to see the junkertown Queen
junior zinc
Mercy seems to believe overwatch is better disbanded
dire timber
and while we know the vague whereabouts of the other characters
she's just in some tent
providing aid in some nondescript region
dire timber
dire timber
I don't think so, no
cunning ledge
wow i can see so much more emotion in that small circular image than you could ever put into words
valid shell
One day I'll do it like Sony Pictures presents The Emoji Movie (now on DVD) taught me.
dire timber
anyhow, back to the topic
I want some present day Mercy lore
... animated shorts are always related to an in-game map, right?
Gibraltar, Eichenwalde, Black Forest, Antarctica, King's Row, Hanamura, Dorado, Volskaya...
junior zinc
They seem to be
cunning ledge
it's only the smaller trailers that aren't and even they use maps most of the time
dire timber
The Last Bastion was more loose, but still in the area
junior zinc
The last bastion was in the Black Forest iirc
cunning ledge
I did once spend 15 minutes looking for a bastion pod in the forest outside black forest somewhere using that spectator skybox glitch
spoilers there isn't
junior zinc
Our adorable little PTSD robot
peak escarp
you do see Eichenwalde briefly in the background of The Last Bastion
valid shell
You can have present Mercy, but on the caveat that it's full of Genji flashbacks while she looks at the sparrow feather.
cunning ledge
and there's like fifty pictures of brigitte on her wall
she's a family friend guys
trust me
this was hinted at all along and wasn't totally made up justnow
valid shell
She was just visiting the hospital and pretending to operate on Torb at age 6.
We can do simple math I swears.
peak escarp
she was 14
timid eagle
Mercy's place in the lore, in general, is messed up.
peak escarp
her timeline makes sense, there's just big gaps
dire timber
contrastingly to animated shorts, comics seem to be anywhere
Monaco, Venice, Sydney, Switzerland, Rome, etc.
meager wharf
Wait wait wait, where was it stated Angela was in any way working on Torb at 14?
valid shell
@meager wharf A combination of the vague wording in Torb's letter to Ingrid and Brigitte's initial age.
meager wharf
What's vague? She visited him in the hospital.
You ever go visit someone in the hospital? I promise you don't have to actually work there to do.
valid shell
Sure, but then he followed it up with mentioning her tissue regeneration research.
As a 9 year old (based on Brig's original age).
meager wharf
A kid who grew up in a time of war dreams about ways of helping people.
valid shell
K
meager wharf
^
valid shell
If it was incorrect from the start they would have caught it.
valid shell
Being told they fucked up by the community isn't catching it
It's being caught.
Being caught being lazy.
meager wharf
I'm still pretty confident that the forum post was released in error and they rushed to get things out without proper checks to make sure everything was good.
valid shell
Then why did he allow the bio to go up in the first place.
Anyways.
This conversation has reminded me that Emre must be in his 40's-50's now, if he's still alive.
dire timber
does it matter, anyway
peak escarp
that's likely
dire timber
Mercy was 14 at the time, and nowhere was it said that she was his dictor
valid shell
Sure, it doesn't matter. This is all made up history for no-life mouthbreathing nerds.
But here we are discussing it anyways
peak escarp
wow, no need to get angry
valid shell
That's my secret, cap.
cunning ledge
he's always a no-life mouthbreathing nerd
valid shell
Ye
dire timber
we can circlejerk around how Chu sucks, or maybe we could, you know, not make stuff up only to attribute it to him
meager wharf
Binge, you're salty because you made some incorrect conclusions based on assumptions you made about information provided.
valid shell
?
meager wharf
Chu isn't all that great, I'm not going to deny it, but use actual things to show that, not assumptions on information.
dire timber
such as Jack and Ana's ages still not being fixed in Are You With Me and Recall
or retconning/clarifying on D.va while offering no alternatives
if you're going to tell us that it's not StarCraft that made her famous, then tell us what game it was
come up with something
jeez
valid shell
Or "Rein picked Brigitte because Rein picked Brigitte lmao".
meager wharf
If they were to give us some lore, I'd understand. But it's been months since the retcon/clarification
Yeah.... That was dumb.
dire timber
@valid shell German name
meager wharf
At least the rest was kinda interesting
dire timber
not much meaning behind it
valid shell
That's not great storytelling.
dire timber
... uh, how?
valid shell
There's a reason why most children in stories are named for grandparents or dead friends.
dire timber
not every name needs a deep backstory
and it's not bad storytelling when it isn't lol
valid shell
Sure, but the few that they do have an opportunity to give some reason behind should.
valid shell
Otherwise, why would Chu even waste the keystrokes to say something we already know.
dire timber
uh, we didn't know Reinhardt chose the name until White Dome letter
valid shell
'bcuz it's a germun name rofl' is boring.
@dire timber Exactly.
We learned it in White Dome.
dire timber
... Rein just picked a name, why is that a problem
valid shell
Seriously?
You'd rather have nothing than a snippet of insight into Rein's past or family or something?
dire timber
I mean, I wouldn't mind
valid shell
Then why are you arguing.
dire timber
but it's not bad because we didn't get it
valid shell
You agree with me.
valid shell
Not taking a freebie opportunity to flesh out a character's reasoning is bad storytelling.
dire timber
... no it isn't
it's just an idea
it's not bad just storytelling cause your ideas weren't canonized right here and now
valid shell
So 'Reaper killed Antonio bcuz he felt like it lol' would sit well with you?
dire timber
uh, what?
how are these anything alike?
one is a major decision that will have great consequences for your organization, and the other is just naming a kid
why is just naming a kid without any elaborate backstory so terrible
dire timber
we did get something, White Dome is something
Reinhardt naming Brigitte is something
valid shell
There's no information to be gleaned, no new content.
I'm saying
In the context of the Q&A, Chu had the opportunity to say something new.
But he chose not to.
dire timber
he did
meager wharf
I think he may have misunderstood the question tbh.
dire timber
Mercy being a family friend of Lindholms
valid shell
In the context if that answer.
The one were discussing.
The one he chose to repeat something we already knew.
Where there was room to extrapolate.
dire timber
I mean, again, not every plain thing needs a deep intricate answer
valid shell
I didn't want a deep answer. Stop saying that.
I just wanted something.
And we got nothing.
meager wharf
If we got a stupid answer, it would have been worse.
meager wharf
A stupid answer isn't what we got, so it's irrelevant
For the record though, I think it's a nice little bit of character insight that we don't get to see about a lot of the characters.
limpid agate
Mercy being a family friend still feels like a stupid answer
Because she's 14 and has no family
And he didn't expand on that
She's a Swiss war orphan
Who is inexplicably friends with a Swedish engineer and war hero in his late 30s
And his wife
valid shell
I feel like it has roots in the rest of the world getting Sweden and Switzerland confused.
Despite being separated by multiple countries.
And a language barrier.
peak escarp
Maybe Ingrid is Swiss
Or the Zieglers were friends of the Lindholms and when they died Torb and Ingrid continued to look out for Angela
dire timber
@limpid agate there's a good chance that Lindholms knew Zieglers before they died
it doesn't feel stupid to me at all
dire timber
@valid shell I'm really getting the impression that you're just looking for opportunities to shit on everything to show how superior you are to everyone else
valid shell
You didn't punctuate that with 'tbh'.
dire timber
and?
valid shell
So you must be lying.
dire timber
you wanna say anything besides further backing my point?
valid shell
Either way, this isn't the place to start drama. Please DM me any grievances.
peak escarp
So I noticed something earlier while rewatching Recall
valid shell
Ye?
peak escarp
The news broadcast Winston is watching is about Volskaya, but just as he is about to activate the recall and Athena stops him, it changes subjects
"A Helix Security team suffered heavy casualties . . . "
Sounds like it could be Pharah's squad?
valid shell
I forget when Mission Statement came out, but wasn't it one of the first comics?
If it came out around Recall, you might be right.
peak escarp
Mission Statement was in May, Recall was in March
dire timber
Old Soldiers references Mission Statement too
peak escarp
But both were in development before that, so maybe
peak escarp
If those changes on Anubis mean anything, we might
peak escarp
They're basically doing the same job as Overwatch did
I'm trying to build a precise timeline that puts all the lore in order, but too many of them don't have any clues to put them in context
And a few have conflicting clues (I'm looking at you, Searching)
I might have to settle for it being half headcanon
valid shell
Just abandon the canon and join me in OC Do Not Steal fan hero making.
worthy rose
i just thought of a new oc that died during the overwatch wars
mercy ressurected him and now he's a ghost man
im thinking of giving him smgs
something close range at least
peak escarp
Ooh boy
peak escarp
Mercy doesn't resurrect people
white cobalt
We're again on "Mercy is dae devil"?
dire timber
please cease shitposting
limpid agate
Serious discussion strictly related to Lore
dire timber
or a Zen short
or a D.va anything, yeah
but also a Symmetra short maybe
really wanna see Sanjay animated
valid shell
@dire timber Yeah, I'd like to see him with a Brigitte-esque visual overhaul.
And not his weird polygonal FF7 hair he currently has.
sturdy fable
I want to see a D.va short also but I’d like Lucio tbh
I’d like to see how he makes them sound barriers xD
limpid agate
Hard Light
valid shell
Most of Lucio's support abilities might be noncanon.
Since they can easily be chalked up to bardic inspiration, like Brigitte.
Zen too, maybe.
limpid agate
Harmony and Discord are explicitly non-canon
But sound barrier
Can easily be canon through Hard Light
timid eagle
Isn't most of Lucio's tech Hard Light, but created with.... Sounds?
sturdy fable
Lucio needs a buff to move at the speed of sound xD jk
But I would like to see him making and testing his equipment like we saw in the Mei short
timid eagle
Yeah, people can say a lot about Lucio, but an idiot isn't one of those words. Dude must be a smart cookie to reverse engineer that Viskar tech to his own needs.
Nevermind to have roller skates to stick to any surface or to create tech that can heal wounds with music.
peak escarp
I could see hard light and sound wave technology being related
They're near enough for a "firm science" explanation
sturdy fable
@timid eagle like Jeff said, it doesn’t have to be canon. He might not literally be able to heal with sound, it’s just a gameplay mechanic
peak escarp
It's kinda plausible though
Sounds are just vibrations, and vibrations have been used in therapy to promote healing
sturdy fable
Not that fast tho 🧐
valid shell
Solid protons are only a small step away from solid sound waves.
peak escarp
No, but hard light isn't a thing either
valid shell
Exactly.
sturdy fable
Exactly
The speed boost and healing done in Lucio’s little circle aren’t canon
valid shell
As long as we're bending science, might as well break it.
sturdy fable
Just gameplay mechanics
peak escarp
We don't know that
It hasn't been confirmed either way
Because we haven't seen Lucio in the lore yet
sturdy fable
We know he is a musician (duh xD) who spreads positive messages
peak escarp
Maybe the healing is more psychological than physical
sturdy fable
Explain why he could speed somebody up through vibrations
peak escarp
Wasn't his gear modified from crowd suppression tech?
short scaffold
gameplay isn't canon
sturdy fable
^
timid eagle
So.... Lucio doesn't exist in the games lore?
peak escarp
But some of the in-game abilities are canon
limpid agate
@timid eagle He has 0 canon lore appearances
peak escarp
So there's a possibility that Lucio's are too
limpid agate
Its a joke that Lucio doesn't exist
short scaffold
@limpid agate I assume you're talking about comics and shorts
limpid agate
@short scaffold I'm talking all lore. His only mentions are him doing concerts or making albums, which isn't much more than Hatsune Miku
short scaffold
ah alright
valid shell
Rather, he's just a side-story to Symmetra's side-story.
sturdy fable
He isn’t a main character, basically
sturdy fable
We just know who he is and how he got his gear. that’s it pretty much
limpid agate
He's the face of rebellion in Brazil
valid shell
"So that Talon councilman, what if one of his underlings was playable, but didn't do anything of importance? And then what if a rebel who opposes his underlings who don't do anything of importance was also playable, but also did nothing of importance?"
limpid agate
That's all
peak escarp
I hope they become important eventually
I'd like to see Lucio, Symmetra, Zenyatta and DVa being the next generation of Overwatch
valid shell
I just don't see a monk joining an illegal paramilitary organization.
dire timber
but muh pick a side leak
low axle
Lucio is totally a Deep Cover Talon Agent out to destablize Brazil. >.>. It's all part of Doomfists plan for conflict.
timid eagle
....
dire timber
@low axle no shitposting
timid eagle
It's 'cause he's black, right?
dire timber
I despise dumb "plooot tweeest" ideas that also happen to be a huge disservice to the character they concern
low axle
How was my post a shitpost..scrolls up compared to some of the other things that got posted today
lol
dire timber
no whataboutism
@peak escarp it's doubtful that Lucio can actually heal people or speed them up
it's likely like Brigitte's Inspire
it's effective, it probably helps his allies ignore pain and spurs them into action
but it's doubtful it actually heals wounds or anything of the sort
still, I wouldn't be surprised if he is indeed capable of creating a sonic shield
though in the lore, it would be something akin to a temporary protective bubble that shields a lot of people at once
rather than applying a shield directly to them
low axle
Well it is stolen Vishkar stuff. 😛 And they already mastered making Hard light
so no telling what he can actually do
dire timber
uh
even biotics just speed healing process up
as in, wounds will heal within a day rather than within a week
why would hard light do anything like that?
low axle
I am gonna assume his healing is probably just a mechanical thing. And I didn't say he could heal with hard light like you are implying
I said he stole the tech from vishkar
dire timber
yeah
timid eagle
As far as lore goes, what do you guys think of Zarya after her realization in the comics?
dire timber
Idk
what realization, honestly
she dropped in, chatted with Sombra, got mad at Volskaya, returned to the front
it's like, she got content, then returned to her status quo
low axle
Well Russia is actively fighting the Omnics...And she seems a rather no nonsense character.
worthy rose
If I got it right, the frog boi stole hard light tech for his skate blades only
and the heal / speed boost thingy is another vishkar tech stolen based on Sonic energy
So it's not hard light tech
dire timber
again, we don't know if heal/speed are in-universe properties
and I really doubt it
I think it's just Lucio inspiring people with his songs
I do think that the skates were used by Vishkar in construction, and that sonic technology was used by Vishkar for crowd control
worthy rose
well, the inspirational side of it said in the hots video for frog boi
dire timber
and that the sonic blaster can fire disabling shots
also, his ultimate is probably canon, just in a slight different way
worthy rose
but hots is non-canon
dire timber
I imagine it like a shielding bubble created by the sonic blaster that absorbs the impact of incoming projectiles and dissipates within moments
@worthy rose I think in this case, HotS is likely correct
frosty shell
Lucio has fluid in tubes around his amplifier
So maybe the music is just a stream of airborne healing nanites
cunning ledge
unlikely
dire timber
the real question is, why would he
dire timber
he's a healer in game, but he has no medical background in the lore
cunning ledge
they're probably there to show him changing colour when he uses his shift
dire timber
I don't get why people try to make it a lore thing
it's like trying to come up with a way for Brigitte hitting people to actually heal someone
it's a little bizarre
strange spear
e=mc^2
dense estuary
Lucio is basically a bard if you wanted to class his mechanics as an RPG
cunning ledge
that's why I want him in junkenstein 3.0
as well as Bastion as the arcane automaton
dire timber
Bastion would be a little broken, possibly
... maybe not
would need to test it
it turns Retribution and Uprising into a cakewalk though
iron plume
Bastion would be massively broken in junk
even more so than the archives events, you at least have to move in those
dire timber
well, you still would have to turn your head to catch all the tires
and avoid road hook and junk bombs
iron plume
don't need to avoid hook when you melt him before he comes close enough
he wouldn't be an instawin but he'll be good enough to be mandatory
plus lorewise, I think the theme would be a bit stretchy
cunning ledge
moira as an actual vampiric warlock seems like it would work
although in junkenverse the mercy made reaper theory is actually true
hmm
meager wharf
I wonder how the reworked symm would work as the summoner. It seems like it would change quite a few things
cunning ledge
the summoner probably won't be changed
there's a lot of emphasis on the shield gen which obviously is being removed
so the summoner'll just be an old version of sym
dire timber
or maybe
Symm creates a wall halfway across the map
active as long as Symm is alive
it'd be hell
cunning ledge
King Reinhardt as a skin + playable event hero next event would be pretty cool
maybe even make his weapon a sword?
or like
a hammer with a sword on the end
i don't know
dire timber
we already got stonehardt
cunning ledge
yeah that's what I was thinking
could look pretty similar
although he's not wearing armour in the comic I don't think
iron plume
I don't think they'll roll back the changes for the mode
cunning ledge
dire timber
I wish we had canon skins for the OG Junkenstein team
Lone Wolf is fitting for Archer and Van Helsing is fitting for Gunslinger
but what about Soldier and Alchemist?
cunning ledge
also I don't think this was ever brought up earlier
that spider is clearly a robot
as in, the spider tank omnics
iron plume
the eye placement looks ilke or14s
cunning ledge
it doesn't look like them but it's gotta be in reference to them
iron plume
the face in general does
dire timber
it's weird how the Monk is actually the Cultist skin
cunning ledge
yeah
and he's called monk in game
and the whole literal c'thun cultist thing is never addressed
swordsman genji is probably too similar to young genji to exist
which is a shame
iron plume
i mean they have legendaries that are literally recolors
so it's not really preventing anything
cunning ledge
yeah but using up an event legendary slot for young genji with a hat
doesn't seem likely in the current way they do things
iron plume
did y'all forget Meirry or
cunning ledge
if they went back to doing epic skins/legendary recolours like ironclad I suppose it's possible
meirry was back when they were still doing epic skins
iron plume
meirry itself was a legendary though
cunning ledge
yeah
but what i'm saying is that they've refined the content releases to just high quality legendaries since then
iron plume
I'm just saying it's not necessarily a complete prevention
and they could change more things up to set it apart
peak escarp
People often complain about Reinhardt, Torbjorn, Pharah, Hanzo and Reaper not having any "native language" voicelines
But I never see anyone demand them for Doomfist
Why not give him some Yoruba lines
Do you think it's likely that Fareeha speaks Arabic?
iron plume
she lives in Egypt, so probably
peak escarp
I think the chances of knowing her father's mother tongue are low
It would be neat to hear it in the game though
I want to know more about her father
frosty shell
Her father probably speaks English, though if you're referring to his First Nations ancestors they probably haven't decided which tribe he was from, other than that it's in British Columbia.
peak escarp
Yeah
They did say Pacific northwest so that narrows it down a little
Which is my area
Which is why I'm curious
And many first nations people do still speak their tribe's language
Although some are going extinct
For example Haida has only about 20 fluent speakers left
low axle
It's funny because they hadn't planned to orignally make her half native american. People just started SJWing them when they released the Native themed skins 😛
peak escarp
Why would they have given her Native skins if she wasn't planned to be Native?
The art book says she was
iron plume
I mean
Genji has bedouin skins without having any connection to middle east
They might well have given her native american skins just because it looks badass and the thunderbird is fitting to her theme
peak escarp
I can't remember if that art book said anything about the bedouin skins
I'll have to check when I get home
cunning ledge
they are just related to when he was travelling around the world
that's what the book says
iron plume
There's "some justification" to pharah as well
peak escarp
I just meant that they didn't give Genji bedouin skins for no reason
half wharf
@peak escarp Hanzo does have a japanese voiceline........
peak escarp
@half wharf I mean aside from his ult line and "sake!"
half wharf
ahh kk
peak escarp
Reinhardt's "prost!" is German, so he's got a line too
valid shell
I don't think Hanzo saying "sake" counts as Japanese.
Otherwise Rein saying "beer" would count as German.
peak escarp
But I want more like what Symmetra and Lucio got, alt language versions of ability lines
And finally a friendly ult line for Reinhardt, Torbjorn and Bastion
timid eagle
The Friendly Reinhardt line should be 'Hammerzeit!'
reef dagger
You know, on the subject of Blackwatch...
they're awfully squeaky clean now, eh?
I mean, I remember that the implication was Blackwatch performed morally ambiguous tasks outside of Overwatch's command, assassinations and enhanced interrogations on the reg
timid eagle
What about it?
iron plume
the suggestion was that they were legally ambiguous
reef dagger
Retribution doesn't seem to imply that though. It seems that Venice Incident was their only major offense, and they were hardly unjustified, I'd imagine. I mean, the guy gets killed and the entire army of a terrorist organization trashes the place in revenge, hardly implicates Blackwatch as being truly terrible in hindsight
iron plume
not necessarily morally
reef dagger
and frankly, I could see Reyes getting discharged, but a shutdown of the whole unit?
peak escarp
it was the only major offense that they got caught on
(also the only one we know about)
reef dagger
supposedly the Venice Incident is the event that exposed Blackwatch's crimes
so, I guess it had to be in some sort of fallout of that event that we didn't get to see
valid shell
McCree even says that they've done plenty of assassinations.
But those were slated as assassinations, not capture missions turned SS executions.
reef dagger
he does?
peak escarp
there's some dialogue from the event
I don't remember the words exactly, but someone says "we've done assassinations before" and McCree replies with "this was an execution"
valid shell
Besides, on the world's stage, the more heinous crime is deploying combatants to a sovereign state with the intent to kidnap or kill.
reef dagger
and how Jack was so hesitant because sending in a strike team to take elimination actions against the will of a sovereign nation would basically be repeating Blackwatch's actions of the previous year
peak escarp
shows some progression in his character
and kinda proves the public right - they were worried Overwatch could just do whatever they pleased, and during Uprising, they go against orders not to intervene
low axle
Would be cool to have a comic or something where they follow that do not interfere directive..and dumdumdum it gets the outback nuked. Or something simular, would explain the amount of eff it during kings row and retrib.
reef dagger
I wonder if Ana knew Gerard well
she must have, she could recognize Amelie from a distance with purple skin
and indeed, she comments about him in an interaction with Widowmaker
timid eagle
I still want an event that showcases the original strike team during the Omnic Crisis.
I can only imagine a younger Jack and co. getting used to another.
valid shell
That won't happen.
Ana would be a poor man's Widowmaker, Jack wouldn't have biotic fields or helix rockets, Gabe would just be Jack with shotguns.
Torb and Rein might be the same, but that's 2/5.
iron plume
if they don't, it doesn't make sense lorewise
which is kind of th epoint of an archive event
low axle
Well Tanking shotgun blasts to the face wouldn't make sense either if you are just shrugging them off. Not trying to be a smart ass, but still
valid shell
Well, now you're getting into video game fallacies in general.
Which doesn't really apply here.
low axle
The same could be said but saying if they do a past event abilities should be trimmed.
Heck in the Alive cinematic we see a crusader use all his abilties
except the stun
low axle
I mean in Retribution you'd think that Reaper wouldn't be able to wraith around and death blossom.
Yep In the flashback Shield and fire strikes.
When Bastion plugs into the dead one.
timid eagle
I still want an event that takes place in the Omnic Crisis.
low axle
It's be awesome.
timid eagle
Just to see these guys teamed up for the first time and how the bounce off from one another.
Uprising was a taste of that.
And I want to see how then Young Reinhardt get's used to being the teams shield and stray away from his previous temptations.
valid shell
@low axle You're thinking of Last Bastion.
Not Alive.
Alive is Widowmaker vs. Tracer.
valid shell
@timid eagle Yes, it will be fun to see the interactions, but logistically it can't happen.
More than half of the Strike Team are completely different than how they were during the Crisis.
timid eagle
They could adjust different abilities.
valid shell
Why would they do that.
Completely rebalance and change three heroes for the sake of a story they could tell easier in a comic or short.
low axle
I still don't think they would need to trim abilties like I said. You'd think Reyes even post Moira's experiments wouldn't have full reaper powers
but he did
ingame anyway
timid eagle
Yeah, about that comic.
It doesn't exist anymore, and they have otherwise tried to repurpose the First Strike graphic novel in some fashion.
They can have Soldier's biotic field provide more healing and a shorter cool down in a possible mode, for example.
valid shell
Soldier didn't have his biotic field in the Omnic Crisis.
Biotic
It's based off Mercy's tech.
And she was 7 years old at the time.
low axle
So. I don't see how that would change ingame mechanics.
valid shell
?
You can't have heroes using abilities they canonically don't have in a lore event.
timid eagle
Details.
valid shell
The details are important.
low axle
So by that logic you are saying Blackwatch REyes had all of Reapers abilties?
valid shell
After Moira had altered him? Yes.
There's nothing to suggest that Reyes somehow "powered up" when he became Reaper.
Just that his face is alarming under his mask and his biceps are pale.
limpid agate
@low axle There are multiple lines in the event implying Reyes already has the powers
Outside of Reyes literally using the powers
valid shell
I know that superhero movies and anime have set this stigma that characters acquire a basic, bare-bones version of their powers and have to hone them over time to reach their full potential, but it seems like that isn't the case with Reyes.
timid eagle
It was heavily implied that the chemicals that were pumped into Reyes had some crazy after effects.
timid eagle
The Super Soldier program that Jack and Gabe were apart of during the crisis.
timid eagle
It's common knowledge that the program had given"chemical enhancements" on soldiers included enhancing their strength, agility, and speed, with various side effects.
valid shell
It isn't common knowledge, because the word 'chemical' isn't used once when referring to the American SEP.
limpid agate
Soldier: 76: Well, all that stuff they pumped into me has to be good for something.```This is as close as you get
timid eagle
Which implies chemical enhancements.
valid shell
Implication isn't "common knowledge".
timid eagle
It is.
limpid agate
Implication is implication
Common knowledge is shit that's explicitly told
Its common knowledge Solider is a member of the Soldier Enhancement Program
valid shell
Everything about the SEP is still classified, and any information that can be gleaned from Jack and Gabe is vague and inconclusive.
limpid agate
Its implied that it was chemical upgrades.
valid shell
And we haven't seen "various side effects". We know that Moira helps Reyes with some kind of condition, but there's nothing except conjecture that suggests it stems from the SEP.
@low axle You probably keep getting muted because you're trying to bring up Marvel.
low axle
Ah
Well The chemical thing sounds more like another American heroes upgrades
There we go
😛
timid eagle
Jack seems to be one of the luckier ones from the program, while Gabe (with his moniker Solider: 24) seems to be an earlier applicant.
low axle
I figure Reapers Ill effects were probably too much increased agression. Judging by what little we know of his actions.
valid shell
Jack does give the SEP credit for why he's "looking pretty good" at his age, so it seems to agree with him.
We don't know if Gabe has had an adverse reaction to it.
dense estuary
Also we do not know if Gabe had conflicts between US Army tinkering meeting whatever Moira did.
limpid agate
Here's what we know about Reyes and his condition
30 years ago: Reyes was in the Soldier Enhancement Program
<30 years ago: Reyes fought in the Omnic Crisis as the leader of Overwatch. Shadow powers unknown.
8 years ago: Moira improved Reyes, his shadow powers are closer to what we see in game.
8 years ago: Retribution. Reyes has his powers by this time, and can control them.
6 years ago: Reyes fights with Jack at the Swiss HQ, it blows up, both are presumed dead.
Present day: Reyes has pale skin like a corpse. His shadow powers make him more or less immortal. At least, Winston couldn't roast him, or damage him in any meaningful way.
Decades: People spoke of a Reaper that left a trail of death. It is said that he leaves his victims drained of life, and that he shows no sign of allegiance. We don't know how far back the latter stories stretch, compared to the earlier stories, but he has been active for decades, has had his powers for about 10 years, and has switched teams in the past 5-8.
low axle
I didn't think they confirmed who lead omnic crisis overwatch. I know Jack was choosen as commander after the fact
opaque cairn
interesting
I thought that Reyes became Mercy in the 7th form strike team...?
Or am I wrong?
meager wharf
No shitposting
jaunty lance
No u 
valid shell
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valid shell
@jaunty lance Please stop.
jaunty lance
Ok
low axle
Because your question made no sense the first time.
Still doesn't.
Reyes doesn't get a sex change into mercy
jaunty lance
Lol
limpid agate
@opaque cairn Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
meager wharf
Gabriel Reyes is Reaper. Angela Zeigler is Mercy.
low axle
I mean...it would be pretty funny if reaper unmasked was mercy...but I highly doubt it
meager wharf
He isn't, we've seen him 'unmasked' in two of his skins.
opaque cairn
@limpid agate shitposting?
low axle
oh I know I was just going with the lulzy looking question.
opaque cairn
What do you mean?
meager wharf
You know what it means. Don't do it, or you'll be banned.
opaque cairn
Are you talking about my username and profile pic?
meager wharf
And let's try to keep this serious.
dire timber
@opaque cairn what the hell are you talking about
low axle
I'll take it as you got the names Mixed up. Mercy is 
Reyes becomes Reaper. 
floral herald
Stop shitposting, last warning.
obtuse star
^
meager wharf
You've been warned, mah dude. Move on.
opaque cairn
Why are my messages being deleted?
meager wharf
Moving on, was anything of note found on Rialto aside from the armory and the table?
low axle
and To answer your question assuming you go the names Mixed up. Reyes got his reaper abilities after the Omnic Crisis while in Blackwatch
he became Reaper formally after the swiss civil war in ow hq
limpid agate
@meager wharf On Rialto
The only other noteable thing is the red chair
And the statue
meager wharf
The statue from Ilios?
limpid agate
Also, Leonora Botrovia is an interesting celebrity, but no one important
Could be from Ilios
I dont know which god it is
I heard Minerva
Which is Artemis or Athena? Not sure who her Greek counterpart is
meager wharf
Okay, that's what I meant. I thought I heard something about it. Where is it? I'll take a look.
low axle
Athena
limpid agate
Its in Talon HQ
low axle
Shes the greek goddess of wisdom and war.
limpid agate
At the end of the payload trail
low axle
well war depending on your city state
meager wharf
Could be Athena, but Athena is also a goddess of law, which doesn't seem to be in Talon's interests
low axle
Well if it wasn't greece..I'd go withthe old roman war goddess Bellona
Could be Victoria Goddess of Victory..doesn't seem very talon though
meager wharf
And that statue is definitely designed to look either greek or roman
low axle
but Given it's Greece..I'd say Athena is probably your best bet
meager wharf
We don't know the statue came from Ilios though, unless I missed something. It could have been retrieved from an entirely different site.
limpid agate
@jaunty lance Shitposting will result in a loss of access
low axle
Anyway! Is it just me or does doomfist seem to be a survival of the fittest sort?
valid shell
Yup.
low axle
Kinda like Apoc with his Darwin style philosophy
valid shell
I would like to get more info on Sombra's spine and scalp augmentations, but that's probably selfish, considering how little we know about everyone's prosthetics.
worthy rose
Well it's made in a tattoo shop in Dorado
we investigated it earlier at some point
It's made by a girl with teal hair color
and that girl also had a specific robotic arm with "Cy²" logo on it
It's pretty sure has a hologram projector field
and the hacking tech is connected with some flat connectors
which originate from the centerpiece in her back
and it runs through her arms both sides
and it ends up in the gloves which have those nails composed of unknown material
it's probably some sort of metal
a conductive metal
valid shell
I'm just interesting how it interfaces with her brain.
Since she doesn't seem to have augmented eyes or any kind of visor to support a HUD.
worthy rose
It's controlled by a holographic interface
and the graft in her back already produces a holographic field
I think it has the same radius as tracer's reactor
maybe even bigger
versed shuttle
Wq
cunning ledge
I still like the idea that sombra stores all of her data inside the implants and has no permanent base
Seems like the sort of resourceful thing she would do
Also explains how the hacking works on everything because it's just recalling one of the many hacking programs she's created in the past
And the typing is just accessing it
valid shell
@versed shuttle ?
dire timber
she does have a semi-permanent base in Castillo though
but yeah, most likely, her implants are basically like a computer that happens to be on her person at all times
dire timber
I wish we had a map based in Overwatch HQ ruins in Switzerland
it's the one thing we need to really flesh that location out
can you imagine that Morrison statue modelled in-game?
maybe even getting to see his and Reyes' empty graves?
dire timber
I mean, they could be
we don't know where the graves are
we only know that Morrison has one
cunning ledge
insert that's where you're wrong kiddo meme here
"Standing before Jack Morrison's grave in Arlington National Cemetery, I'm reminded of rural Indiana's quiet serenity. Like the sea of cornstalks, neat rows of ivory tombstones seem to go on forever in all directions."
dire timber
aw
cunning ledge
fun fact
thats a real life place
cemetery for war heroes
you know what would be the coolest heckin thing in a swizz hq map tho
if one of the side rooms is that genji/tracer control room from uprising
dire timber
aw
that leg is what remains of the statue
but maybe they could've put it back together
it could be roughed up, but recognizable, maybe
cunning ledge
idea
event that involves running through the facility as it is being destroyed
ends in a destroyed courtyard around the broken statue
which could be used as a 3v3 map or something idk
dire timber
hah, I had an idea like for a possible Soldier/Reyes 1v1 event
though Morrison would need to be aged up a bit, his Strike Commander skin looks way too young
but the idea I had is that both players start in separate parts of the map, and most of it is PvE
and the objective is basically to get to the end, with a shared location
and then it's either a cutscene and a victory for both, or maybe the objective is to get there before the other, or maybe they need to fight each other
Idk
dire timber
... wait
@cunning ledge maybe that kind of 3v3 map could be released this anniversary?
it'd be one hell of a way to celebrate it
cunning ledge
ikr
also at one point I was convinced that the second lore event would be called Downfall and it would have a Reaper v Soldier: 76 1v1 mode in the hq ruins
no idea why because boy does that sound stupid
but apparently we had the exact same idea
the more I think about it the more I realise how many easter eggs and secrets they could fit into an actual overwatch base map
training arena control room, statue courtyard, chronal accelerator room, etc
maybe even a mention of liao
haha just kidding
worthy rose
Control points in Swiss hq 
cunning ledge
she can go forwards or backwards in her personal time stream
icy dome
What's stopping her from going all '' Life is Strange ''? is a better questiom
cunning ledge
so either she can go forwards in time meaning she appears ahead of where she is currently running
or she can go back to where she was a few seconds ago
that's it
icy dome
So she can't like set a date to go back to?
cunning ledge
not as far as we know
icy dome
It's just like gameplay that she's limited to like 3 seconds of back time travel and 20 meters worth of dashing?
cunning ledge
dashing is unclear because in the cinematic trailer she somehow goes straight upwards
going backwards is apparently limited to seconds
icy dome
Because we know she keeps her thoughts and memories no matter how she travels
I mean she could pretty much stop the crisis and break up of overwatch if she could retry unlimited times to travel back and prevent certain key things to happen.
cunning ledge
There's a line in uprising where Jack says something like "turns out time travel isn't an exact science, is it Winston"
That's blizzard saying don't think about it too much
It's purely a thing tracer does to move around quickly
Time travel plots in fiction where limits aren't defined are notoriously bad
They won't touch it
dire timber
@icy dome she can't affect the time of the world around her, and there's enough limit to it that she can "run out of juice" by jumping through London too much
cunning ledge
Yeah
She can't go back and fix something because the world doesn't go back
Only her
dire timber
she can't travel to any time other than the present, that's very clear.
but she can roll back her own movements, and speed them up
icy dome
Force winston into slave labour so he can do a functioning modern time traverling machine
cunning ledge
If she walked through a door, then went back in her timestream and closed the door, it wouldn't be the grandfather paradox
She'd just be stuck behind a door
low axle
Well techically she can time travel...but only if she lacks the acellerator..and doesn't have any control of it. I believe theres alore snippit where she goes over all the weird places she ended up.
before winston helped her
dire timber
uh, her origin short only mentions her being unable to touch anything, interact with the world
cunning ledge
Oh yeah the slightly odd downtown abbey reference
That's mostly a joke I'd say
I'd rather think that being stuck in time limbo is horrifying
worthy rose
ugh, I can't escape that stuff even here :/
dire timber
there's no "she technically can time travel", it's not some journey to see the dinosaurs
cunning ledge
@worthy rose ?
worthy rose
@cunning ledge the question's named game
dire timber
@low axle the "lore snippet" was likely fan-written
low axle
^
cunning ledge
Either I've gone insane from sleep deprivation or there's a downtown abbey reference in there somewhere
dire timber
cunning ledge
The tracer VA was in downtown abbey btw
low axle
there is superduper. She mentions ending up as a skullery maid or something at one point
worthy rose
but what could I expect after going through it 4 times
dire timber
cite the exact line
cunning ledge
That's part of the joke
dire timber
she just mentions disappearing
and the reappear only to be a ghost, unable to touch anything
and then vanish again
nothing about ending up in strange places
cunning ledge
I've definitely heard the strange place thing somewhere as canon lore but I can't place it
Hm
low axle
I found it referenced on the wiki
dire timber
it's probably as canon as D.va being a StarCraft pro, or Mei building the cryochambers
cunning ledge
Hang on I have a theory
dire timber
... haha
low axle
Says it was Dreams. But given that she disappears
cunning ledge
It might have been in her heroes of the storm intro video
dire timber
it's unsourced bullshit, most likely
cunning ledge
That's my theory
dire timber
always check sources
low axle
You need to not take this so personal slignerd
dire timber
if there's no sources, it's fanfiction