give us closure, Blizz!
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
nova elbow
they probably won't because Retribution already had a closing cutscene, even though it was pretty much pointless and didn't tell us anything
we also still don't have closure on Uprising
peak escarp
boo
cunning ledge
they did update the midgame leaderboard though
limpid agate
I wonder if they uploaded the stuff officially
Nope, still just a PDF comic.
And still not Retribution cutscene on their Youtube
Guess we are stuck with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oB6PP12WKA
peak escarp
I was hoping for an official upload so I could add it to my post
Why would you think that the stinger for Infiltration doesn't happen immediately after?
Katya is wearing the same outfit - her earring is even still broken
I would put it later that day
teal meadow
the hero that will die is winston. because he will sacrifice himself and all the ex member that he called would accept coming back because of his sacrifice. i'm calling it
cunning ledge
in that scenario what would happen to winston in game then?
teal meadow
nothing, since jeff said they would not remove the character
cunning ledge
that would seem a bit odd
I don't think they'll ever do a major character change like that in the lore only
cunning ledge
jeff also said that the Dragon Slayer comic was calling Fighting Dragons
and that Ray existed
and that they'd never do a deathmatch mode
etc etc
teal meadow
this thing it's not related to the lore
hard junco
there's literally zero point in removing a character from the game, though
especially for the sake of being faithful to the lore
it's not like the gameplay adheres to the lore anyway
cunning ledge
winston being dead would change all the what-if voice lines to also be 'what if winston was alive again'
just seems like needless confusion
hard junco
eh, imo the character to die would be Rein
peak escarp
Nobody is going to die
cunning ledge
oh sorry let me rephrase @hard junco
reinhardt being dead would change all the what-if voice lines to also be 'what if reinhardt was alive again'
just seems like needless confusion
peak escarp
At least, not until the story gets a lot more development
peak escarp
might
hard junco
and if they do, they'll manage
peak escarp
Not will
hard junco
where did I say will
peak escarp
People act like a character death is for-sure going to happen
cunning ledge
lucio still has literally zero lore and you're expecting them to do a full character death
hard junco
I don't really care either way to be honest lol
hard junco
there's barely ever news regarding OW lore so any comment like that is going to stir people up
cunning ledge
don't let karahe see you said that
peak escarp
Karahe knows what I think about Ares
dire timber
I believe Reinhardt might die, but I don't understand the logic behind putting anyone else on that spot
tbh
peak escarp
He does seem the most likely, if it was going to be anyone
dire timber
for Reinhardt, it would be a closure of his character - he's already aged a lot, more than any other
hard junco
he's old and doesn't really have anything to add anymore, since most of his lore is his history
dire timber
and he's unwilling to give up the fight
hard junco
but his death would serve as a stepping stone for the other characters' lores
peak escarp
He has a successor lined up already
dire timber
yea
hard junco
yeah, with Brigitte's introduction it sounds even more likely
limpid agate
I cant see them killing off anyone important
IF they kill someone off
It will be like Snowball
So Orisa
limpid agate
?
dire timber
I just... don't think anybody besides Rein could be killed off, period
limpid agate
I can't see them killing off anyone. Especially not Rein
dire timber
why Rein dying to protect others, and leaving behind a great legacy would be a good closure on his character
limpid agate
That's why I said a snowball death
You get your sad, hero died
But its okay
They're just sleeping
peak escarp
Jeff said in the interview they want to build up the lore more so if the kill someone off, it will have a more emotional impact
They're not going to kill off an unimportant character if they want a greater emotional impact
dire timber
^
limpid agate
My point was not "unimportant
It could be Bastion just as easily as Orisa
My point was that it could be someone who "dies", but they come back
dire timber
Bastion, doubtful
peak escarp
But they've already done that
dire timber
Orisa, maybe
limpid agate
Yeah, and what makes you think they wont do it again
Look at how many heroes have the "The world thought I was dead, but I put on another persona" backstory
peak escarp
Because it's not really a death
dire timber
^
peak escarp
All those heroes that were thought dead didn't actually die
dire timber
Orisa could be taken down by Doomfist again
limpid agate
There you go
dire timber
but that's not dead exactly
limpid agate
Orisa fights Doomfist
She loses
He destroys her
But its okay
Efi rebuilds her offscreen
dire timber
nah, not destroys
limpid agate
And she's alive again
peak escarp
In that case, she's died once already
dire timber
critically damages, but not destroys
limpid agate
I don't see them killing off Reinhardt at all.
peak escarp
I don't see it either
limpid agate
Especially since they already did the "Crusader makes a sacrifice" plotline, if you are arguing plotline repitition is getting old.
peak escarp
I don't see them killing anyone
dire timber
it's a bit different, though
a different Crusader, carrying his master's legacy, and saving the lives of other Overwatch heroes
that's not a repetition exactly - more like a parallel
wispy kettle
dense estuary
what makes anyone think that?
chances are slim to none that Blizzard would kill off a playable character.
austere crown
Lucio lore?
iron plume
he's a musician and fought against vishkar
may or may not be real
fr though we've pretty much just got the bio
cunning ledge
is excellent at selling cereal
iron plume
well we don't know if it's actually successful
iron plume
he's pretty much pro any-freedom
cunning ledge
100% of all cereal known to exist in lore is lucio-ohs
hard junco
he looks like he sells weed
limpid agate
@hard junco Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
dire timber
that's pretty mild shitposting tbh
low axle
McCree's Reaction in the ingame event Retribution makes Zero sense..considering in the comic before the event he's all about killing Antonio..
The In Comic he's all "I'am just getting Antonio's present ready.." Then Flicks a bullet. In game though he's like "OMG HOW DARE YOU SHOOT THE TERRORIST WHO NEARLY bLEW US UP!"
regal coyote
It is more about Reyes send the fucker through the window calling up all the creeps.
I mean, he could have gotten close to Ani, pretend to escort him, and have genji did it the silent way.
low axle
I am gonna Guess Antonio has some sort of Cybernetic Implants that if he dies an alert goes out regardless.
So it owuld have been the same either way
Its just it strikes me as dumb how McCree was all for killing him in the comic. Then he busts Reyes's balls the entire time after
Even going so far as to ask "Is this what we are now just assasins/Murderers?!"
regal coyote
well to be hinest McCree was forced to try going undercover as a waiter in some restaurant just so they can try capture him instead of going assassain's creed.
it is kinda normal he pissed
low axle
yea but it seems a little overtop considering he made out like he was wanting Antonio dead too
low axle
Being pissed about the Plan going sideways..Moira reacted like that
McCree was straight up going like he took a do no harm vow
limpid agate
Moira was mad about the operation going loud.
McCree was mad that they straight up executed Antonio
Moira was indifferent to that, she just didn't want to have to fight through an army.
Genji was also impartial to Antonio's execution, and didn't seem to mind having to fight an army either
low axle
But Jewvia in the comic like literally hours before the event McCree is all about wanting to kill Antonio
himself
low axle
Well they need to organize there planning then
makes the character look hypocritical
and stupid
limpid agate
Yeah the lore is very inconsistent
Its a common critisism
That, and that it moves too slowly. But the latter can't be helped for the most part
low axle
Slowly doesn't bother me but get the story straight. Is McCree suppose to be the Straight man on BlackWatch or not
Yanno?
dire timber
@low axle https://i.imgur.com/djkdaav.png
dapper shuttle
found this girl in the lijiang game files https://imgur.com/8y3sogf
any idea who she could be or how long she's been in the game?
I can't recall ever seeing her on lijiang
meager wharf
That’s something I don’t remember having seen before
dapper shuttle
I've looked all around the map using an out of skybox glitch i know and i can't remember her anywhere
But maybe
dapper shuttle
it was in the regular lijiang files, but i haven't checked ctf yet
https://imgur.com/AjTR9ca any idea where this could be on Earth?
dapper shuttle
Been in game since launch btw
Most likely in europe
https://imgur.com/dMYE9CT the map is a background for this
SIS II is Schengen Information System 2
low axle
Well if I had to guess
dapper shuttle
yes it's a real thing
low axle
And this is just a random guess
Greece
judging by the tiny islands
if its europe
maybe proto Illos?
dapper shuttle
Yeah but the river and all
dapper shuttle
see the blurry text in the bottom right?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/7ss23e/weirdest_thing_ever_on_koth_maps_bioweapons/ it's the same text as here
SIS 2 following a cargo transport of biochemical weapons using satellite imagery is my guess
European governments are aware of bioweapons being transported
and tracking it
and if it's in lijiang control center as well as the practice range and gibraltar, it means both Overwatch and Lucheng are involved
lucheng because they have satellites
low axle
Could be a Talon thing
dapper shuttle
overwatch because they have been contracted to prevent these weapons from being used?
limpid agate
The interesting thing about what's in the files is not what's in the files
Its what gets added or removed.
If you want to find something interesting, don't just look through 1000 textures
Keep a backup, then compare differences
dapper shuttle
Those things are in game tho
limpid agate
Just because its in the files doesn't mean its in game. There are lots of unused assets.
low axle
well to be fair blizzard is known for adding bits and peices of something not yet released to teh game
little by little
to minimize patch sizes
dapper shuttle
They've apparently removed all the voicelines of rein saying brigitte the french way
couldn't find any
https://imgur.com/8y3sogf now that you're here jewvia
low axle
well considering he's german and she's swedish
dapper shuttle
look at that
low axle
why would they say it the french way
low axle
Sounds like another of those situations where D.Va was a SC pro player
but now is not suddenly
limpid agate
Looks like an old asset.
dire timber
I have to say @dapper shuttle, I still think you're reading too much into that stuff
like, it's worth it to check it
but most of the time, it doesn't mean anything
dapper shuttle
😊
low axle
So Ana and S76 aren't answering the recall does that mean Winston and Mercy are the Leaders of New Overwatch?
limpid agate
Because of all the Overwatch crew, she and Soldier are the two who are the most vocal about Overwatch staying shut down
low axle
So Winston it is!
low axle
Well we Def got Tracer, Winston, Rein and prolly Brig
limpid agate
Tracer, Winston, Rein, and Mei are the 4 confirmed agents
valid shell
What do you mean probably Brig?
valid shell
Reinhardt rejoining Overwatch is the whole reason why she became a combatant.
limpid agate
Brig, Torb, Bastion, and Genji have a chance based on context, but its unconfirmed.
low axle
I'd say Genji probably is. Considering in the Dragons Vid he told Hanzo it was choice time
limpid agate
Genji, Torb, Bastion, and Brig are unconfirmed as of now. They most likely are, but its still unconfirmed.
low axle
And where Genji's Custom Made Butt goes...Mercy Follows...like I made dat style
valid shell
Nice meemee.
Would be interesting for McCree to rejoin, but as a part of Overwatch proper, not Blackwatch.
That's less likely, though.
Much less.
low axle
It'd be interesting if McCree rejoined but started a new BlackWatch
dire timber
@low axle Winston is the leader of the new Overwatch, yeah
limpid agate
Because whats the point
limpid agate
^
low axle
I could See Pharah joining up if something with Helix goes down
low axle
Plottwist. Lucio is really a Deep Cover Talon Agent
limpid agate
Its just the Talon heroes, the Junkers, Soldier, Ana, and Mercy that have little reason to join.
dire timber
@low axle don't shitpost
limpid agate
@bronze matrix They're the same person.
limpid agate
Like, we have explicit proof
In multiple comics
And voice lines
That they are the same person
low axle
Could be that Reyes did some moonlighting as Reaper before OW
valid shell
Likely.
dire timber
my explanation is that "Reaper" was an urban legend that formed due to Reyes' black ops missions
dire timber
and shadowy powers were added to the story a few years before OW fell
since he got them from Moira
then the explosion at Swiss HQ happened
and the legend became the man
low axle
That makes me wonder..If being caught in that explosion is what made his REaper abilities go haywire
dire timber
he embraced the title of a "Reaper"
low axle
One of the Mysteries I suppose
Apparently he looks enough like Reyes Still that Ana recongized him unmasked
Though..If Dying is what f'd up Reaper..Makes you wonder if the same would happen if Moira was "killed"
limpid agate
@dapper shuttle You didn't do a very thorough look of the map in game.
dire timber
anyhow, about the new Overwatch
Confirmed to join:
Winston, Tracer, Mei?
Confirmed to intend to join:
Reinhardt, Mei?
Would join:
Genji, McCree, Brigitte, Torbjorn, Bastion
Would hesitate to join:
Mercy
Not part of Overwatch, but would be interested:
Pharah, Lucio, D.va?
Didn't receive Recall, not interested:
Jack, Ana, Reyes, Moira
limpid agate
Its just a misc advertisement
Nothing special
@dire timber Mei's Journal is after she met with Winston.
So she set off with intent to join, and then met with Winston, and is now exploring old OW outposts.
Also, you can add Moira to the last category.
dapper shuttle
dang it
limpid agate
And if you have Brig, you can also add Bastion, since he is an accessory to TOrb
hard junco
hanzo?
dapper shuttle
i'm not thorough
low axle
The Bation Torb Bromance comic was adorable.
dapper shuttle
But, all the more reason to get hyped, right? It's a very high res sign, all of the others are very low res
limpid agate
Here's the specific location if you want the full picture
hard junco
there's a comic like that?
low axle
Binary
dapper shuttle
thanks a lot jewvia ! can it be seen from the map?
limpid agate
It is no reason to get hyped. Its just as important as the girl with the can of soda
Or the Omnic Chef
Or Mama Pig
limpid agate
Probably when the map was added to the game in March 2016
dapper shuttle
remember the sign added in numbani that was teasing a numbani hero?
dapper shuttle
I meant, a small green sign in an african language that meant "the best has yet to come" or something like that
limpid agate
Hell are you talking about
limpid agate
Are you talking about when they remade the map for Orisa twice
dire timber
@dapper shuttle Jewvia is right you know
like, most of that stuff
is only intended as backgroup prop
dire timber
not some super secret hero tease
dapper shuttle
But it's fun being wrong
dire timber
well okay
dapper shuttle
Nkiru, short form of Nkiruka
it was added a few months before orisa's release if i recall
I didn't notice it back then
But when i found out about it recently i dug and found people noticing it pop around orisa's release
valid shell
I'm glad that we subtly got an explanation for why Bastion's all squeaky clean after The Last Bastion and Overgrown.
dapper shuttle
So if my girl has been added recently, this could be a hint about a new hero, like Nkiru was
limpid agate
I cant prove it, but I'm fairly certain that was always in game
dapper shuttle
😊 🎉
the lijiang girl's file was one of the first I found, so idk if this means anything, like that she's been added recently
limpid agate
She was probably around forever
dapper shuttle
You can barely see her from Lijiang Gardens
You can't from Control Center
you basically had to know what to look for and to use a glitch
so this is going to be hard to prove or disprove while watching old footage
dapper shuttle
oh
i used a glitch
and even then i didn't notice her
Is it usual for blizzard to hide high res details in a corner of the map no one looks at
https://imgur.com/OpA6iAq fun fact, this is the thing from up close
and this is what the thing looks like, from inside the building behind it
so fun, so fact, very yes
limpid agate
They are very thorough in making unimportant details
The alternative lorem ipsums should have been proof enough
dapper shuttle
speaking of which, i got the castillo/dorado lorem ipsum from the game files
I thought about you when i found t
frosty shell
The bioweapons lorem ipsum is also used in the practice range
dapper shuttle
yop yop
But I mean, now that we know it's linked to SIS
is it still lorem ipsum
limpid agate
Yes
dapper shuttle
😩
I'm still trying to solve the (also very much definitely lorem ipsumy) italian article about the venice incident https://imgur.com/a/ThiAT
If you know any italians, whisper
me
it's killing me to be so close but to be entirely depending on others
valid shell
@dapper shuttle https://www.duolingo.com/course/it/en/Learn-Italian-Online
dapper shuttle
yeah but like
it'd like this thing not to take me 6 months of intense learning
I got blurry text to look at, i'm a busy guy
limpid agate
If you were a busy guy, you wouldn't be trying to translate placeholder text in the first place
dapper shuttle
That's what i'm busy doing
twas a self burn
But it's not really placeholder. There's "Overwatch" and "dell'organnizazione" in the remaining piece of text
it's like, actual lore
and it sucks that it's so easy to do but there's no one to do it
there's probably more intel in my blurry text than in all the pointless debrief they had on twitter
dapper shuttle
that part yes
limpid agate
Last I checked, there were no Islamic bombers in Overwatch
meager wharf
Honestly, I think it’s in poor taste for blizzard to use those articles for lorem ipsum
dire timber
yeah, it's peculiar
this is exactly the kind of thing that Overwatch usually steers away from
buoyant thunder
Would McCree be willing to join Talon?
timid eagle
I doubt it. He doesn't have much to gain from joining Talon, especially since he turned a new leaf when he left the Deadlock gang.
limpid agate
He has no reason to
In Retribution, he was the only one against assassination.
He quit Overwatch to avoid picking sides between Jack and Gabriel
And then in his comic, he kills a train of Talon troops
He's more likely to join Winston's new Overwatch. Especially since he is already a wanted man, he has next to nothing to lose
valid shell
Yeah, he's be an ideal resource for teaching Overwatch 2.0 to work outside the law.
timid eagle
And, be a great marksman to teach the new blood some things 'bout shootin'.
hidden grove
Problem is getting new recruits
limpid agate
With the exception of maybe Brig and Bastion
Who are accessories to Rein and Torb
All Overwatch agents in the present, potential or confirmed, are ex agents
Or ex members, in the case of Mei
worthy rose
Winston gotta be careful that the recall didnt reach talon agents
valid shell
It's not like Talon doesn't know where to find them.
Considering, you know. Recall. The short.
peak escarp
and Reaper did get part of the agent database
worthy rose
Ya know, moles and all
last inlet
and I'd bet anyone in talon who was in OW must have been dropped form OW for a while. At least,m that's probably the way they'd play it
limpid agate
He probably knows it was Recalled
And the group Winston picks is probably gonna be a smaller party
Though it would be interesting if there was a Talon agent in the party he didn't know about Like Moira maybe
Probably not her though
And it probably won't happen at all
last inlet
that'd be the kind of big twist they don't even have time for.
limpid agate
^
If we ever see New Overwatch
It will be
The 8 who are confirmed and very likely
As well as McCree and a couple more newcomers that are already heroes
A new hero
Or two
And maybe some redshirts to die in the same issue the team is introduced
But thats a big if
We have 3 places to get some form of major lore
July hero
Gamescom
Blizzcon
So for any progression at all, not just new Overwatch
We gotta wait for those
Maybe we get lucky with the anniversary
Or an extra comic like Wasted Land/Searching
But more likely we just gotta wait a couple months for something
peak escarp
Still expecting that Pharah/Ana short
valid shell
Updates to a map that hasn't had a short in it is usually a tease, yeah.
cunning ledge
What do you guys think Ana would be doing in such a short?
Hunting someone? Going to meet Pharah?
Necropolis base telescope is pointing to the temple iirc, could be related to that
Going there because she thinks Pharah is in danger
hidden grove
What she's been doing as shrike probs
hasty surge
New Hero is after Anniversary right?
quasi schooner
🙏
zenith hill
konichiwazzup
cedar galleon
New hello voiceline for genji
zenith hill
if genji was Marlon Wayans
valid shell
It's fine if it's covered by somebody.
Like.
Torb doesn't need to speak any Swedish since his daughter has a lot of it.
And the reverse for Ana/Pharah and Arabic.
Genji speaks enough Japanese for both brothers, and Mercy enough German to cover Reinhardt.
Swiss!German, sure, but still.
valid shell
Ecks dee.
zenith hill
Guess that makes me a Pharah
@valid shell yeah you're right btw, Genji speaks enough fluent JP to compensate for Handsoap
silver flame
@valid shell Interesting note, according to some swiss people on this server. Mercy actually speaks German German and not Swiss German
Hanzo still has his ult in Japanese
zenith hill
Well the voice actress is German to be fair
silver flame
Yeah she is
valid shell
Let's not give the McHanzo fans even more to obsess over.
valid shell
?
zenith hill
kidding I'm not into that shipping nonsense
the only thing I ship is imported furniture
buoyant thunder
So y’all don’t ship anything?
valid shell
Even if we did, this isn't the channel to discuss it.
buoyant thunder
I’m might be super retarded but how do Moira’s powers work
peak escarp
it's unclear at the moment, but may involve nanobiotics, since a copy of Mercy's paper on that topic was found in Moira's lab in Oasis
valid shell
Nah, it's confirmed it's based on Mercy's research.
worthy rose
where I read genji lore
buoyant thunder
Don’t u dare start that up again
worthy rose
SHOOOOW MEEE THE WAYYY
buoyant thunder
@worthy rose ask one question might answer
valid shell
@worthy rose Shorts and comics in the pins.
valid shell
I just answered that.
valid shell
Less caps please.
worthy rose
@valid shell which 1 do I go 2
peak escarp
@worthy rose watch "Dragons"
worthy rose
THX
valid shell
Watch Dragons, read Uprising, play Retribution.
buoyant thunder
Can u still play retribution?
buoyant thunder
Wait til next year
valid shell
Watch Hammeh's video on Retribution interactions.
dire timber
also check his biography on his hero page
worthy rose
@valid shell why is genji trying to fight hanzo?
valid shell
@worthy rose And Hanzo swung first.
peak escarp
to see if he has changed
dire timber
otherwise, Hanzo would be too prideful to be reasoned with
peak escarp
Hanzo was defending himself
valid shell
Genji just destroyed Hanzo's arrows with his shurikens.
dire timber
he did almost stab Hanzo in the face though
valid shell
And only pulled his wakizashi when Hanzo started spouting honor bullshit.
peak escarp
Genji got a little carried away
buoyant thunder
Genji’z ult is portrayed incorrectly
valid shell
"He knew Hanzo would block."
dire timber
not the ult, but Genji getting carried away
peak escarp
maybe Genji had enough confidence in his own skill to hold back enough
but he probably didn't expect Hanzo to fight back so fiercely
or maybe he did
dire timber
@buoyant thunder gameplay isn't lore
peak escarp
technically it's the game that's wrong
dire timber
^
buoyant thunder
True
valid shell
Really, that stab against the railing is the only time he tried to harm Hanzo. Even the redirected Dragons only weakened him.
He aimed for Hanzo's quiver and only deflected his scatter arrows into the floor/walls.
Not back at him.
peak escarp
I feel like he might have been testing Hanzo, to see if he should bother trying to recruit him/get him to go answer the recall with him
buoyant thunder
^
peak escarp
in the end he kinda does, but it's vague enough that we don't know Hanzo's answer
I'm dying to see Hanzo follow up on that invite
give him some character development on-screen instead of just saying "oh he felt bad for killing his brother so he left the clan and now he's a wanderer"
valid shell
You'll be dying for a long time.
peak escarp
always dying
there's a lot of stuff I'm dying to see that will probably never happen
peak escarp
Talon is probably trying to orchestrate it in such a way that both sides blame each other (instead of blaming Talon)
it started with Mondatta
dire timber
it's gonna take 3 years irl before they succeed though
peak escarp
I guess I'm in it for the long haul
even if I stop playing the game, I'll still follow the lore
cunning ledge
I'd be surprised if anything major like First Strike gets released within 3 years from now
there has to be something eventually, though
...right?
cunning ledge
I still feel we're owed something from last christmas not having any lore tbh
valid shell
We're not owed anything when lore is free and brings in little to no money for Blizz.
cunning ledge
I mean yes obviously there's no actual obligation for them to do anything
but still
valid shell
And having lore last Christmas would confirm a year has passed since Recall, which Blizzard is avoiding.
worthy rose
are the videos the only things about ow lore bec I watched they all already
cunning ledge
all of them except the latest one have animated versions which you can find in the second top most pin in this channel
dire timber
joys of eu?
worthy rose
its fucking horrible
cunning ledge
#overwatch if you want to complain about anything that isn't lore
valid shell
@worthy rose Wrong channel young blood.
worthy rose
oh lol
buoyant thunder
Y tho
limpid agate
@bronze matrix What's your point?
peak escarp
Fusionator for hero 28
limpid agate
If you are stretching that thin
You can fill that void with any old named hero
Liao
Soundquake
Anubis
peak escarp
there's a lot of namedrops that have lead to nothing
valid shell
@bronze matrix We noticed that back in 2014.
They tried to make a Fusionator hero, but the poison gas didn't quite work, so they changed it to frost and Mei was the outcome.
valid shell
Ye.
low axle
I wonder if Liao or however its spelt will be in the game. The chinese guy to the left of the black and white pic with kid Pharah in it.
limpid agate
@low axle That is confirmed not Liao
low axle
then who is it?
limpid agate
Don't know
I think it's the guy with the Bionic Pecs, could be Emre, we don't know
We do know it is not Liao
low axle
Think it could be the red armored guy in the old group shot?
limpid agate
No
limpid agate
That's "Wildebeast"
low axle
Hmm
low axle
He can't bea Crusader. All of them are dead except Rein
Battle of Eichenwalde
or however its spelt
unless you wanna count Brig.
valid shell
I feel like Reinhardt 'knighted' her.
Although maybe not, since she's still described as his squire.
Maybe one day.
cunning ledge
I wonder if Storm Arrows was inspired by or has any connection to that one bit in Dragons where Hanzo pulls out three arrows at the same time and fires them all really quickly
I mean in-game it's clearly the same "magic" as his ult
Hmm
valid shell
Actually, his Storm Arrows look much more sci-fi than anything.
They look, dare I say it
Like hard-light
worthy rose
Non-canon thing coming:
"I've heard that some archers use arrows that deploy nets or explosives. Some even have boxing gloves. Hah. A true archer has no need for such parlor tricks. Now where are my scatter and sonic arrows?"
terse oak
So is this Wildebeest or Reinhardt concept?
terse oak
I really like the design
limpid agate
Bottom right corner is Wildebeast
WHile he was a Rein concept
And his design was likely also used for Orisa and Brig
He is still a canon character
valid shell
I don't think we'll ever get Wildebeest as anything except maybe a Reinhardt skin, since elements of him were mulched up and given to Reinhardt, Orisa, and Brig.
limpid agate
Likely never to be a hero
valid shell
Goddamn it Jewvia.
limpid agate
But still a canon character
terse oak
Shame 😦
valid shell
Why you gotta flex on me like that.
limpid agate
🤷
dense estuary
Makes me think Tauren tbh
low axle
I wish we'd get something explaining how Talon recruited Reyes. If it was while he was still with Blackwatch..or after he was exploded and turned into Reaper.
limpid agate
It was before Doomfist was arrested
dire timber
... was it?
limpid agate
Doomfist and Reaper know each other
low axle
That could easily be though that Reyes had something to do with getting him to lock up.
limpid agate
I didn't say Doomfist and Reyes know each other
I said Doomfist and Reaper
Doomfist knows Reaper is Reyes.
dire timber
... I'm starting to think that perhaps, Talon had already contacted Reyes at the time of Uprising
either that, or they found him a year after that, when Overwatch HQ blew up
hard junco
that concept art is sick
limpid agate
Sometime between Retribution and Doomfist's arrest, Reyes joins Talon
dire timber
yep
limpid agate
ANd we know Doomfist's arrest was after Uprising
But that's it
Could be before or after the HQ explosion, but Reyes was already Reaper by that time
So I would think after
I would make a rough timeline as:
Retribution
Uprising
HQ Explosion
Doomfist Arrest
OW Shutdown
And Reyes joining Talon slots in there somewhere
cedar galleon
Id love to see a comic showing resorts transformation and joining of talo
His "origin" story of sorts
limpid agate
I too am interesting in the origin of Ilios
stark widget
One of the assault rifles/rifles in the Talon meeting room, we haven't seen before https://imgur.com/HPMxWXJ From what I can tell, it has a red dot or holo site on the top and rocket or grenade launcher at the bottom
limpid agate
Recall: http://bit.ly/1T1Aky8
stark widget
With those weapons. I guess they belong to special ops or recon infantry? Very different from the ones in Retribution. The regular troops in Retribution carry weapons, similar to "Widow's Kiss" just doesn't have a sniper function.
limpid agate
It is a difference of 8 years
But also, those were used to take out a gorilla
As opposed to a group of 4 guys
stark widget
I'm guessing all Talon troops carry their respective primary and a secondary pistol
But in Retribution it doesn't seem to be present amoung troops and enforcers
dire timber
@limpid agate you made me think there's a new animated short 😦
stark widget
I guess it made sense for the Troops to use laser rifles and not the ones in recall because they had to guard a member of high status in the organization
silk berry
@StarCorp ✧ CrimsonDragon#2673 @StarCorp ✧ CrimsonDragon#2673 hola
valid shell
@silk berry ?
silk berry
@Binge#4750 what. Que
limpid agate
Serious disucssion strictly related to lore.
valid shell
@silk berry Please don't use this channel to ping your friends.
cunning ledge
Retribution guys were a neat redesign due to the unique dudes in the gamemode and probably to make headshots easier
Maybe Antonio was the guy specifically manufacturing/supplying that gear which is why it's not used any more
Widow's Kiss is also very similar to their gear, possibly Antonio had a hand in designing it?
I'm completely making up that he's an actual weapon designer rather than a supplier but still
Also Talon Widow which is closer chronologically also doesn't have a gun that looks like it
*presumably closer chronologically
There's a decent chance Antonio won't be brought up again like null sector
Although I suppose he would be more potentially relevant
cunning ledge
Talon origins etc tho
cunning ledge
Antonio really being a weapons dude would be neat because it would show what he actually has to offer to Talon
cunning ledge
Currently it's something like Doomfist = Leadership + field agent(?), Moira = Science stuff + field agent(?), Reaper = field agent, Sanjay = ???
For council members
cunning ledge
Ah yeah
Max = Money
Sanjay could just be there for the global influence Vishkar has
Or something cooler like exclusive technology
cunning ledge
True, good point
Vialli was probably just for money too
Or at least
Nothing special about him was stated
Just muhaha evil businessman
limpid agate
It seems like there's always been 1 core leader among all the leaders, then?
Antonio
cunning ledge
Seems like it yeah
limpid agate
Then the one who will replace him, Vialli
And now Doomfist
Its still a council of leaders
cunning ledge
The whole red chair thing
limpid agate
But yeah, there's one head
cunning ledge
There's no indication of that at the table in Masquerade though is there
No special chair
cedar galleon
Anyone up for making bets and predictions as to the next gay character?
cunning ledge
Pls
cunning ledge
That's probably in the top 3 most discussed at length thing here
There's a lot of people who it couldn't be
limpid agate
Orisa, Doomfist, Moira, Brigitte, Zarya, Bastion, Tracer, Ana, Torbjorn, and Widowmaker are the ones who it cannot be.
cunning ledge
Which is mostly how the discussions end
dire timber
I think the pre-Doomfist arrest period is particularly interesting
since I think back then, Vialli is technically in charge, while Akande seems to be the one planning ahead
young blood taking lead if you will
despite not being in position of leadership yet
cedar galleon
Could alwaysbe an npc too
limpid agate
No it cant be an npc.
cedar galleon
Maximillien perhaps ;) ?
limpid agate
They said it was a hero already in game at the time
And the time was Sombra's release
dire timber
wait, they did?
limpid agate
So it has to be someone released before Sombra.
I dont know if thats inclusive or not.
So I didn't eliminate her.
valid shell
Source?
limpid agate
@valid shell On who, me
limpid agate
I think its this: http://overwatch.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/blizzcon-2016-overwatch-qa-panel-transcript
cunning ledge
My bet is on Sombra or Genji if anyone
valid shell
Why Genji?
valid shell
Because he's one of the few male heroes who isn't a musclebound meathead, so he must be gay?
limpid agate
So released before Sombra. Not sure if she is excluded or not.
dire timber
@valid shell why not?
dire timber
like, I don't get your complaint here
limpid agate
@valid shell He could have said Lucio, the twink
cunning ledge
As long as it's handled well then it could be anyone
dire timber
he doesn't have to be gay, he just could
dire timber
I think Genji having male and female partners alike back in his playboy days would be fitting
valid shell
It just stinks of the same rationale behind "Zarya's the most masculine of the females, so she must be trans or a lesbian".
limpid agate
Cowboy McCree
Twink Lucio
Bromance Junkrat/Roadhog
Exposed Nipple Hanzo
Genji is far from the obvious candidate
imo
valid shell
I'd rather it be someone like Doomfist or Reinhardt.
dire timber
uh
valid shell
Quash the effeminate gay stereotypes.
dire timber
that's a little too out there
limpid agate
Im banking on it being Jack
dire timber
lmao
valid shell
How so?
dire timber
Jack is too much of a generic American dude
limpid agate
So
dire timber
sure, it's just, you know
dire timber
always took him for that standard cis straight white male kinda guy
limpid agate
Sounds like the type of shit Blizz would do, then
dire timber
his design is deeply based on generic, plain concepts placed in a setting with circumstances that make them interesting
valid shell
I hope to God that the Jack/Ana/Gabe dynamic isn't romantically charged, but if it has to be, I'd like there to be at least some unrequited love from one of the boys.
limpid agate
I really really don't want a shitty triangle
valid shell
I don't want a shitty triangle.
But I'll settle for a adequate one.
With an unconventional romantic angle.
valid shell
Archie/Betty/Veronica.
valid shell
I'd be fine with a bi playboy Genji.
limpid agate
I dont know about archie comics so I wont weigh in
valid shell
But straight up gay is too much of a low-hanging fruit.
limpid agate
I was afraid you were gonna say
valid shell
Stormrage?
limpid agate
Illidan/Mafurion/Tyrande
valid shell
Fawk off.
limpid agate
Yeah thats a shitty one
valid shell
Literally the worst.
A hero like Doomfist could literally just deliver a deadpan "I prefer the company of men" and completely sell it.
dire timber
I, uh, still feel like Doomfist and Reinhardt are really odd choices
valid shell
You keep saying this thing.
limpid agate
I can hear Jack doing the same thing
cunning ledge
Are we sure that Jeff meant that there's multiple in game right now
limpid agate
Same deadpan "I prefer the company of men"
valid shell
Bears and hunks are major demographics in the gay community.
dire timber
Reinhardt would really be that "old dude revealed to be gay" trope
valid shell
Or I could see asexual.
limpid agate
It literally can't be Zarya
Because of Russia
Not because she's a musclebound stereotype
dire timber
... an aromantic woman would be a problem in Russia?
cunning ledge
Lynx Seventeen as non binary robot hero when
I mean I guess that's bastion already but still
dire timber
for some reason I don't like the term "non binary"
cunning ledge
I literally just use it because of the pun
dire timber
I feel like "gender neutral" would be more appropriate
cunning ledge
Non binary
dire timber
just me
cunning ledge
Robot
limpid agate
Technically, Lynx probably still operates under binary
valid shell
Not all non-binary genders are neutral, though.
limpid agate
@valid shell I think a girl with the same parts as Genji would qualify as non-binary
dire timber
... I think you've lost me
valid shell
Well, we're talking gender, where parts don't come into play, but that's a slippery slope.
cunning ledge
Non binary just means that they don't identify as regular male or regular female though right
valid shell
@cunning ledge Yup.
So you can be non-binary, but also not gender neutral, because you might still identify closer to one or the other.
AKA not neutral.
valid shell
They weren't built to be citizens, just labor.
cunning ledge
Exactly
valid shell
So they all defaulted to male.
dire timber
I have to say that I have difficulty accepting identities beyond "male", "female", "gender neutral" / "he", "she", "they"
limpid agate
However its spelled
Even Orisa has the same body as the OR15s. Just a different head
Like
WHen I look at OR14s
I default to assuming they are female
Because of Orisa
It just looks feminine now because of her
valid shell
Hey, I'm not saying I'm steeped in the xim and xer and xerself shit, but at least I understand it.
cunning ledge
So now I'm wondering if Orisa is a horrific aberration due to the female voice
valid shell
Nah, Orisa's a completely unique AI.
limpid agate
The artist from Rialto
dire timber
tbh I'm also somehow inclined to think as OR15s as having feminine identity
for the same reason
cunning ledge
We haven't heard their voices though
limpid agate
And yes I am assuming her gender based on the name.
cunning ledge
All Omnic voices apart from Orisa are clearly male
I can't judge Lynx because y'know it's in text
But yeah
valid shell
@limpid agate I think there's a banner of her outside the gallery.
And she's clearly female looking.
dire timber
... if Efi got a male personality module, would she call her creation "Boris"? 🤔
limpid agate
There is but I forgot what she looks like
dire timber
🅱OR15
cunning ledge
^
valid shell
Quadruped.
limpid agate
I like Toris more
valid shell
Anyways, sans the ones Jewvia listed, the next LGBTQALMNOP hero is pretty up in the air.
Unless you subscribe to stereotypes.
cunning ledge
Also it's just occurred to me that the only Omnic names we know are celebrities + heroes + Lynx
limpid agate
And Waitron
valid shell
@dire timber Whoosh.
valid shell
W h o o s h.
limpid agate
Since there's two whooshes, I'm gonna explain
That they wrote
LMNOP
As in the letters of the alphabet
cunning ledge
^
limpid agate
Just to stretch it out
dire timber
yes, I know
and it's usually used for mockery
which is kind of, you know
uncalled for
valid shell
lol k
limpid agate
I didnt see it as mockery, but I dont understand this shit.
cunning ledge
Hey I know lets discuss lore
valid shell
Nah.
cunning ledge
Banned
limpid agate
I forget, what colour are Moiras eyes
dire timber
one brown, one blue
cunning ledge
Blue and brown yeah
limpid agate
I thought one was green for some reason. Okay
cunning ledge
Right eye is blue
valid shell
Light brown, tho.
dire timber
her left one is blue, right side of her face for us
dire timber
I hate how confusing describing people's faces can be
since directions are flipped around
cunning ledge
It's the blue eye with the plate thing around it that's her left
dire timber
jesus christ that would be awful
cunning ledge
I do wonder what that plate thing is
dire timber
mirrored sprites are a sin upon this earth
cunning ledge
It's apparently very important to the character design because even the oasis themed legendaries have it
At first I assumed it was a two face style asymmetry thing
But they've probably thought out an actual reason for it
dire timber
what plates?
limpid agate
The face plates
dire timber
... you mean the thing on her eye?
limpid agate
Yes
cunning ledge
Yeah
dire timber
she probably has it for the aesthetic effect
maybe some practical use on top of that, Idk
cunning ledge
The Oasis skins also have it as some sort of neon line literally in her face
Implying it's got some deeper use
At least to me
cunning ledge
I like to imagine the Symmetra one is a real thing that Vishkar designed as part of a contract pitch to Oasis
valid shell
A lot of heroes have shit on their faces for seemingly no reason.
Both Moira and Mercy have those little black things on their cheeks.
limpid agate
Doomfist, Mercy, Antonio
valid shell
Well, forehead for Moira, but they're on her cheeks in the Blackwatch skin.
dire timber
I think you totes did
cunning ledge
There's also the Winston head plate
I still think that's gotta be related to him being the only gorilla to not go mad
valid shell
Brigitte's ugly metal hairband scrunchie thing.
cunning ledge
He's the only one with it
valid shell
Honestly? It's probably because gorilla foreheads look fucking weird.
A lot less sympathetic.
cunning ledge
Antonio and Akande have the "hey look this guy is full of robotics" and/or Deus ex reference head stuff
I'd believe it was part of his space suit/armour if he didn't have it as a baby
cobalt bobcat
Yes all of the said characters that have tech on the area of their face may SEEM like there is no reason for it, but all of those things probably have a lot to do with the lore side of Overwatch, Blackwatch Talon, etc.
cunning ledge
Yes