pvp-arena

[oak smelt]

Ah, i forgot to account for that.
But it is still odd though even accounting for that, vesti burst at 224f and adding 6f for rocket to land at 230f while Noah burst at 236f and indom triggered at 242f so vesti should be fast enough to wipe them but Noah indom was up before vesti rocket lands when i tested earlier.
Based on Nikke top frame analysis, vesti should wipe before indom from Noah is up.

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah it doesn't change anything for that situation, but just incorrect to use ingame pvp frames when nikke top expects you to use double

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon

[gaunt pulsar]

nah, he has quantum on swha*
ok, I inputted it in too, not sure why he catches your burst some frame missmatch somewhere

[oak smelt]

I think its likely what you mentioned, probably quantum cube plus some charge speed since i didnt account for that when i input into nikke top.
Oddly enough his Rosa has no doll and didnt burst before she died to my vesti plus biscuit pressure so RH burst instead but i doubt this affect anything since he is not using sacrificial comp.

[gaunt pulsar]

your helm is skill 1 lvl10?

[oak smelt]

Nope, lvl 9

[lethal karma]

Anyonr know what site/app i can use this?

[gaunt pulsar]

could be this, but need to see a video to be sure i removed 0.65 energy from you, accounting for helm s1 lv9, though jackal should still cover that loss, idk, hard to tell, cs does nothing for him and even with quantum he should still be slower, but there definitely a few frames loss somewhere

[gaunt pulsar]

nikke.top

[oak smelt]

Here you go

[gaunt pulsar]

• you faster, your 100% energy reached on helm 2nd shot, you can see energy bar jump as soon as she drops to 11 ammo. so nikke top is correct, and yea we need to account for jackal s1 which covers any energy loss you might have from helm skill lv9
• your vesti hits before his noah is applied, she just deals low dmg and barely reduces bisc/swha/rh hp
• his noah recieves biscuit stack so you cannot kill her before she burst anyway
• animation for vesti burst happens after her shots hit
  screenshot 1: hp right before the burst hits
  screenshot 2: hp right after burst hits, bisc is dead, swha and red hood barely dmged, then numbers and animation appear

[oak smelt]

Omg, i forgot to account for biscuit indom on Noah 🤦‍♂️
Yeah, so according to what you said its basically indom on Noah was triggered after her HP drops below 50% and she manage to burst and apply indom just before vesti missiles lands

Timing is also very tight around 12f

[gaunt pulsar]

here your missiles from vesti burst landing on ss1, idk why so low, maybe you fight on deficit, maybe burst level is low or no invest, and on ss2 what you see after hitting remaining targets into immune is swha additional shots not vesti burst

[humble tiger]

SWHA

After some tweaking my team is now...

290K
280K
280K

Slower, but reliable.

Wait no. It's a bit faster than the old team.

[oak smelt]

Sync level is low but no deficit.
My vesti is not well built only have 2 OL, R15 doll, skill level 7 9 9 and only one line of attack at 9%

[humble tiger]

Now I can perma lock 3rd line, temp lock 2nd line, then fish for ele on 1st line.

[gaunt pulsar]

ah, r15 only and 2 OL, yea you just low on attack then, vesti burst isn't the hardest hitting burst anyway unless buffed and with sync diff they are just on higher hp than you which also affects by how much hp bar drops

[oak smelt]

Oh yeah, i got sync gapped by 36 level but i can close the gap to 10 if i open all my boxes.
I have enough kit to SR15 vesti and OL 2 more gears for her but i am rationing it out atm.
Will try something else later.

Does Rosa burst still targets highest attack based on s1 targeting rule if there are 3 attackers?

[hollow lagoon]

[torn obsidian]

rosa burst goes left to right

[oak smelt]

Ah, i see

[torn obsidian]

though i've seen rare edge cases before, i'm quite sure there are bugs with it

[gaunt pulsar]

36 is still in range, magical increase in dmg not going to happen if you sync up, but it would definitely be easier
it's just if it takes you 4 vesti rockets with jackal, bisc and swha help to kill no doll rosanna at p2 there definitely missing some investment

[oak smelt]

I was always under the impression of highest 2 attacker but i seldom encounter 3 attackers on defending team when i use her

[gaunt pulsar]

yea prioritize campaign units first, at least meta, vesti not going to see use there outside of some fire weak stages or maybe elysion tower, and she isn't going to solve all the problems in arena, still takes investment to sr-15 her, to fully OL and then to either reroll pieces or to get lucky on rolls, makes a huge difference between 0 atk% vesti and 30+

[vapid lake]

vesti is PVE god it doesnt matter what ele the stage is https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956169630400016384/1463105714208899265/VESGOD.mp4?ex=69cb9661&is=69ca44e1&hm=71339f59adec83e8c33f6b336720c466aef676280f9eebec41a61ad0d0ad80ff& if u have her u build her no questions asked because she is also pvp god

[hollow lagoon]

And the one unit you never take to solo raid

[shell hazel]

unless you're me and you're coping

[crystal flicker]

You guys care about SR?

[shell hazel]

what else is there to care about?

CA is beta season 50 and you can't influence it

SPA I'm at least capable of holding the top spots on forever unless SU shift over more whales into my bracket

[hollow lagoon]

U full clear in 40 sync anyway

[shell hazel]

SR and UR and hard mode are the main things left

I can sync 543 atm, so 561 for ziz which may also be a bit cope but we'll see

[crystal flicker]

Does that even matter if you're guarantee 3% each raid

[shell hazel]

gotta push your own limits sometimes

or not if you don't want to, but I don't mind doing it

I don't mind building/using units that I don't really get to use in other modes too

[torn obsidian]

we just casually forgetting about museum

[crystal flicker]

End game curse

Damage check is boring

[torn obsidian]

yeah they messed up big time, once again

I was a little excited for it but they had to remove the sync lock idk why

[crystal flicker]

"Whale can't clear end game content"

[shell hazel]

they need to tune this better, I don't mind it but the 2nd batch they did has an insane sync check before you can even achieve it

[unique wagon]

Does this work or am I throwing big time

wait RUmani might get indom

Nvm Ill do something else

[tropic summit]

there's no biscuit so indom swha is fine, your problem is siren in p2, you're eating vestiTU fire weak damage on link, it's gonna kill you

just run indom with

jackal blanc indom biscuit flex

[unique wagon]

so what do I do with their Scar team or Nayu team if I use both Blanc Biscu and Jack here

[tropic summit]

unbuffed nayuta is pepega

moran rumani lib helmt noah

or

noise rumani lib helmt noah

[unique wagon]

this is scary

shud I just hit Scar and Nayu

[torn obsidian]

sure, but museum will never be good as long as it's sync unlocked

[hollow lagoon]

Museum is not sync locked

Unless u mean the

First whatever mode

That u just breeze thru with like 2 teams

[tropic summit]

why is it scary

jackal blanc flex biscuit flex is one of the safest indom you can run

[unique wagon]

Ytd u told me to use Ein and I lost cus Ein didnt kill Blanc

[tropic summit]

the other team is default win as you've anti nuke

[unique wagon]

[hollow lagoon]

Rail is a Ein believer?

[unique wagon]

[tropic summit]

that's on you for using ein, it's your box you should know your units

told you before but any indom is fine as long as they've high uptime firerate

ein, s.anis, RRH have high firerate and uptime

but if your ein is pepega, don't use ein

[unique wagon]

You gave me Ein bru

[tulip quest]

it was suggested to farm the level synch 1 on level 700+

[tropic summit]

ye but if your ein sucks i wouldn't know

[hollow lagoon]

For hall 2 maybe?

[tulip quest]

ya ya

oh no you witch doctor you read my mind?

[shell hazel]

I'm not even bothering much with 2nd hall until I'm beyond sync 601 or so

[hollow lagoon]

Hall 1 you can ultra 20 pre 500 Kekw

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-witch-gif-19681679

[tulip quest]

nah if I wanna do it

[tropic summit]

i tried it once, didn't even reach a single milestone

[tulip quest]

do it all in 1go

[unique wagon]

so what to flex here

[shell hazel]

I just did the challenge mode was most of the doll kits

[tropic summit]

anything that keeps you 2RL-2.5RL and doesn't steal indom, ideally pick would be ada

e.g.

[tulip quest]

Blanc p2 might die to VesT

[tropic summit]

you get over 10% feed from moran

so you can drop to 88-90%ish

[hollow lagoon]

Feels like a 661 kind of deal

[tulip quest]

UR 661?

[hollow lagoon]

I’m 627

[tropic summit]

@unique wagon keep in mind indom rules

1. your indom unit has lowest HP in link
2. SWHA is linked
3. flex or other linked unit need to have higher HP than SWHA

[tulip quest]

yea prolly 661 but I'll go with wut my top raider guildmate told me 700+

or maybe 641 when 0.5 hits

[hollow lagoon]

700+ for storm ruler prob

[tulip quest]

this late april

[hollow lagoon]

The other ones can just stack damage

[unique wagon]

Ok thanks

[tulip quest]

Sasuga Rail

https://tenor.com/view/sasuga-radamenthe-sasuga-rada-ssg-rada-gif-22254656

[hollow lagoon]

Problem being the stage gaps are far

[tulip quest]

whats max step again?

20?

[unique wagon]

what is no limit for though

[hollow lagoon]

100?

[tulip quest]

small 3x orange mats

[tulip quest]

F

[unique wagon]

But you can do it anytime doesnt have to be today

[tulip quest]

ya exactly

[hollow lagoon]

I hit it when I’m bored

[shell hazel]

god if even you say that then yep 661 😄

[versed mesa]

I wonder if C4 finally cracked my defenses while I was asleep. Kind of shocked he stopped even testing after the first 2 days

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t see 641 spike give me 4b on a team

Usually around 1-2b

So logical conclusion is 661

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

imagine being 661

[versed mesa]

I should try getting some Hall 2 milestones, could use the mats.

[tropic summit]

high synchro peeps

[tulip quest]

700+

[versed mesa]

Yeah, those 700+ losers. Couldn't be me,

[shell hazel]

you're ahead of me

gimme your sync Rail

[tropic summit]

this is not gonna age well in a few months

[hollow lagoon]

I could see me get on 661

[tulip quest]

im 630+ tho

[shell hazel]

I may slowly catch you but it's going to take time :0

[hollow lagoon]

I’m 627

[tulip quest]

if you mean catch Zanth no he levels faster than most guys

[versed mesa]

709

[shell hazel]

impossibru

catch rail maybe

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jpj-frightnight

[hollow lagoon]

No reason to not be phase20

[shell hazel]

I won't catch zanta unless he quits playing for about a year

[tulip quest]

I mean I was higher level than him now he is 5levels higher than me

[hollow lagoon]

My tenant wants to move out so gotta cut spending

[tulip quest]

why?

[hollow lagoon]

Donno

[tulip quest]

kk

[tropic summit]

zant says cutting spending, but what he means is that 99% that used to go to nikke will have to become 90% instead

[shell hazel]

spend $10 a month less

[tulip quest]

XD

[shell hazel]

you can't pull me (away)

[tropic summit]

she looks so evil tho

[tulip quest]

OH i JUST REALIZED

[shell hazel]

if evil why hot?

[tulip quest]

Ultraman pose

https://tenor.com/view/ultraman-shin-ultraman-spacium-spacium-kousen-spacium-beam-gif-26149428

[crystal flicker]

@nocturne quest

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/dahliabunni-angel-beats-gif-22681248

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-anime-girl-running

[tulip quest]

I mean shift up could make this canon

do Ultraman Collab lol

she looks hot ngl

[shell hazel]

snitches among us

Rail don't give them any pizza

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

[rich quail]

Bros and sises

I love u guys

but spoiler tags

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/first-time-buster-scruggs

[tulip quest]

I mean CN makes CN exclusive Nikkes so shudn't global or SEA try it also?

[tulip quest]

i

Haven't seen this im main story actually

and I kinda finished all

[tropic summit]

[rich quail]

[raven plover]

did you try her, any success

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/will-smith-flashy-thingy

https://klipy.com/gifs/im-telling-god-im-telling-god

[mighty haven]

Noh
Let them have their exclusives

[tropic summit]

🍿

the nuke

[tulip quest]

oh

https://tenor.com/view/mickey-mouse-disney-minnie-minnie-mouse-gif-13659068

[mighty haven]

It literally was like watching a movie

[tulip quest]

it was scary

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-raccoon-dance-checkquiem-before-you-requiem-requiem-funny-animation-gif-6004069268284502446

[raven plover]

[tropic summit]

[tulip quest]

wut's this btw?

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-lebron-james-starting-5-shouting-yelling-gif-13955809540164079004

[tropic summit]

requiem memes

[tulip quest]

Am I dying?

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[raven plover]

soon

[rich quail]

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-gif-7710120082388174990

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-knuckles-the-echidna-sonic-movie2-sonic-movie-sonic-gif-25276284

[tulip quest]

when we're these 2 friends

https://tenor.com/view/sonic2-eggman-knuckles-punch-master-emerald-gif-25602141

[tropic summit]

i don't think so

you've barely done anything that warrants killing you

[tulip quest]

Was given warning

Dyno bot was mad for sure

[tropic summit]

what doesn't kill you makes you stronger

[shell hazel]

unless it kills you

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-john-cena-are-you-sure-gif-5783187

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/john-cena-dance-4

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-nikke-dorothy-doro-dancing-gif-5368242873039800586

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-red-hood-rapi-gif-14906989559989560891

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/tgif-doc-brown-back-to-the-future-gif-9131630917983205411

https://tenor.com/view/bird-cute-poke-sweet-gif-16818145

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/koshitan-dancing-1

https://klipy.com/gifs/shikanoko-nokonoko-koshitantan-torako-koshi

[arctic jewel]

April Fool's Feet

[humble tiger]

Plump

[arctic jewel]

🍑

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/konosuba-anime-5

[arctic jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/yuni-nikke-goddess-of-victory-booty-gif-10105351981208543361

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/ya-boy-kongming-gif-25406658

[tulip quest]

Nayuta died in 3seconds

Nayuta and Helm shud be highest attk then

[unique wagon]

@tropic summit thanks

[covert lintel]

Not yet
Still half build, busy with other nikke

[covert lintel]

what's wrong with discord

[raven plover]

this channel got nuked

[mighty haven]

Nothing happened

[covert lintel]

I plan to use brid in this team

[raven plover]

wtf you have 215k scar

[covert lintel]

That's fahren

My scar only ~190k cause still core 2

[raven plover]

you sacc brid then cus its gonna be slow

[covert lintel]

brid has something like drake's thunder, is it low dmg?

I'm gonna sac bsoda instead

[raven plover]

dunno I feel like its lower than drake's

[covert lintel]

But her skill is 3 times higher than drake

[oak hatch]

How does this team work? It seems kind of slow but I saw a champ using it

[keen vapor]

That team is fast

[oak hatch]

It’s close to 2.5 rl if Trina’s cs is very high otherwise it’s closer to 3 rl, is it depending on something to die early on to trigger Rosanna burst gen?

[keen vapor]

Yes, gambling to face another Scarlet or a Vesti/Laplace

[oak hatch]

Makes sense, so would noir be wiping them? Because it seems likely that scar and bsoda would die

[keen vapor]

No, Scarlet receives no damage bc of Trina

Noir has no damage

[oak hatch]

Yeah but vesti will have jackal link for a short time as well and usually scar would die fast against stuff like vesti indom with Laplace

[keen vapor]

Where's my :modernerd:

[oak hatch]

[keen vapor]

:Modernerd: Actually, Rosanna can cut Jackal links almost immediately

But yeah, usually Scarlet dies to teams like that

[oak hatch]

So more to counter stuff like absolute?

[whole nymph]

I have 3 teams for PvP. Can you please tell me if anything can be changed/improved?

[oak hatch]

Absolute and other scar I guess

[keen vapor]

Or mirrors, I think is directed to mirror matches (Scarlet teams)

Absolute is quite more dangerous bc of basic attack power

[oak hatch]

Yeah it maybe stand a chance if they don’t run the Rosanna version

Anyway thanks for letting me know

[keen vapor]

there's not much to do with a small box so I'd say no

[whole nymph]

I'm mostly interested in Team 3, as it seems the least strong. I also want to consider the distribution of strong heroes within these three teams.

Maybe it makes sense to move Drake to Team 3 to boost Team 3's splash damage with his shotgun?

[keen vapor]

Shotguns don't splash
Rocket launchers do

Shotguns deal good damage on each shot

Rocket launchers depends on the unit if it deals good damage

I rather leave it as it is

[versed mesa]

Still holding C1 somehow No one has even tried to hit even though I was offline for 16 hours

https://tenor.com/view/animation-disney-movies-the-emperors-new-groove-kronk-gif-14836333

[whole nymph]

ok! ty!

[shell hazel]

smart working atm, in a call for work that doesn't need me at all so I'm cleaning the kitchen in the bg 😄

[keen vapor]

Congrats

[versed mesa]

I'm not gloating, I am genuinely shocked

[whole nymph]

What's the best time to spend arena entry tickets? What would be the most profitable time?

[versed mesa]

Didn't even get top 3 last two seasons since my opponents just hard walled me

[keen vapor]

Wait, that's the original dialogue?

"I don't think is bc cinema's magic" was way funnier 😭

[keen vapor]

You don't buy attack attempts if you want to keep your gem count intact

[whole nymph]

Yes, I understand that, but they give you two free attempts every day. When is the best time to use them? Right after the daily server reset? After 2-3 hours? After half a day?

[versed mesa]

It depends, if your opponents are gemmers the best you can do is try to check when they usually hit you and then just work around that, hoping you get to hold as long as possible. If they only use free tickets, you should try to snipe a higher position before reset, so you can save tickets for defending and they have to use one just to take it back

[whole nymph]

Is there any way I can understand who is defeating me and when it happens?

[versed mesa]

Battle records above arena shop on the SP screen, shows you who hit you and when and what rank you ended up at or stayed at if they failed

[swift mango]

There is nothing that's bad to finish these days, it's only bad to axed.

[versed mesa]

How they beat you is just a blind guess since they don't show what teams of yours won or lost

[keen vapor]

What's that name

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

[versed mesa]

I mean that's what he says

[whole nymph]

so this is not a general history of the arena, but specifically the history of battles against my teams?

[swift mango]

Had a bad dozen days with nikke

[versed mesa]

Ofc, it only shows your battles

[whole nymph]

ok ty!

[keen vapor]

Krunk is awesome

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-disney-the-emperor’s-new-groove-emperor's-new-groove-disney’s-emperor’s-new-groove-gif-9209845644877110421

[keen vapor]

"stops" implies that there's good days now

[versed mesa]

Don't dead, open inside?

[swift mango]

Yeah, I could final start saving my rocks

[versed mesa]

Saving rocks? In this economy?!

[swift mango]

Just skip everything.

[lunar pawn]

Did you get demoted

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[raven plover]

:caught:

[rich quail]

[crystal flicker]

@arctic jewel

[keen vapor]

I've been inactive

[lunar pawn]

[keen vapor]

Sorry

[shell hazel]

[keen vapor]

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit i'm ded

[shell hazel]

if not to Bear, then Tenshi is evil anyway

[arctic jewel]

Whaaaaaaaat!? And I switched my cheer from myself to my opponent xD

[arctic jewel]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[hollow lagoon]

[arctic jewel]

I was really looking forward to you vs Tenshi

I really need to watch this game when I get home

[oak hatch]

Welp guess we have to play again this season @ancient sun

[ancient sun]

Ggs go next, I am rooting for you as long as you win against Zero

[oak hatch]

I’m dead already, too many people counter me

I was hoping to lose in league battle but I barely made through with 3-2

[fair pivot]

What went wrong here? I was confident biscuit locked team would beat their sg

[oak hatch]

Label don’t get hit by sg sometimes

It make them skip target

[tropic summit]

label proved deadly to you also side advantage in enemy favour

biscuit died before she even applied any stack

[fair pivot]

Ah, unlucky. This guy is the 1st whale in my bracket, would be funny if I beat him in CA

[tropic summit]

you'd have won if you put cindy in p5

not sure if there's any reason you want cindy in p3 in this team

[oak hatch]

That’s how keripo runs it I think

[fair pivot]

Yeah tbh I didn't think about this when copying it

[tropic summit]

what's the reasoning? preventing a vestiTU from misindoming you but leaving your back open to SG backstab?

[oak hatch]

Ye maybe they didn’t know sg could shoot past label

[tropic summit]

this is not a slow cindy so i don't see much of a reason to have cindy in p3... since she'll also boost emilia/vestiTU RL burst gen

[tropic summit]

i guess

[oak hatch]

U could put rumani in p5 if u really want cindy in p3

[fair pivot]

Well I learned something new

[tropic summit]

dunno what i did but you welcome

[fair pivot]

Wouldn't it be weak to scarlet then?

[tropic summit]

easy w- oh shiet

[oak hatch]

U can check the most common scar team in our bracket vs that team with rumani and compare the speed in nikke top, if blanc goes before scar then its fine

[hollow lagoon]

soda stunned the wrong stuff so it is

[tropic summit]

it's 2.5RL with 24%to 2RL... scarlet is generally 1.9RL if they've CS%, gonna be rough landing blanc before enemy B3

also SWHA in p2 actually has a legit chance to die pre 2RL, which may tank your burst gen

she proccs scarlet s2 a tad too much for a water code

he can leave label in that team just need to move cindy in p5

[oak hatch]

Yeah label is needed then

[tropic summit]

that way he denies enemy extra burst gen while also ensuring biscuit lock

and retaining elec resistance

the only reasoning i can see for cindy in p3 is to avoid misindom against enemy vestiTU

but at that point i'd prefer a working biscuit lock over a copium of meeting vesti

[fair pivot]

Thanks for the insights bros. Good luck to the rest of this CA @oak hatch

[oak hatch]

Thanks but 0 chance for me unless SU somehow rigs it everyone and their moms running nayuta rh, Moran sw, and absolute rosa this time which counters me kinda hard

[fair pivot]

Ah damn, well you had a good streak even so

[oak hatch]

Yeah surprised I even won this many in a row but I guess zeros streak was even crazier before I came

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kolow

[high stream]

@tropic summit Your defense immediately lost .. but right now I'm maintaining #9 .. do I change already, or do I wait a bit, since it was only one of the 5 guys contesting me that figured it out?

[tropic summit]

ideally get it tested against most of them, chances are they finally learned how to play so they know what to do

if anything change it to rosy's def if you beat back that guy and expect he attacks you back

[high stream]

Rail, does something like this help at all to figure out what he might be attacking me with? Or to estimate their strength? Capabilities .. anything? Can you derive anything useful from their defense teams?

[tropic summit]

hmm he has a working indom team and a scar-jack team

meaning anyteam that has no anti nuke or no stalling can be potentially defeated

you'd need 2 teams with noah and bay and 1 team with moran perhaps

that, or screw him over with early pressure teams

since scarlet and indoms are both sensible to 2RL nayuta and heavy pressure (vesti+other early dmg)

keep studying your opponents for now and see how the others do against that def, run rosy def when you know the guy who already beat ur current def is gonna try again

[high stream]

I assume all o that have a working indom team at this level of competition. These are the 4 guys attacking me right now .. as you can see, even the top 30 are STILL competing for top 10 here. Its kinda insane ..

[tropic summit]

doesn't help that you're all close synchro, meaning realistically if they know what they're doing, they shouldn't miss a single attack

gonna be rough...

[high stream]

Yeah .. the bracket I'm in is insanely competitive. All the way to the top 50 .. people are keeping up with CP.

[tropic summit]

dayum

[high stream]

[tropic summit]

for now try to find the sweet spot, meaning keep staying 1 rank below of anyone who's regularly clearing your def

once you found the comfort zone, you can go back to aggresive mode

[high stream]

This is a team I came up with .. I wanted to use it for 2 things .. snipe blanc teams .. or nuke teams without blanc/noah
In many cases .. Nayuta and Moran survive till the end .. even if Blanc indom goes through and then .. it takes them like 1-2 minutes to kill the remaining enemy nikke, lol. What do you think?

I ultimately still win, just really long battle times sometimes

I also had to deal with not being able to put HelmT, Jackal, etc. into this team

So .. getting to 2.5 RL is rough

[tropic summit]

it's a tad too slow

[high stream]

Yes, i tried testing it with the deckk builder, it barely is 2.5 RL

[tropic summit]

you've no anti nuke against 2RL teams, leaves you with your pants down

[high stream]

i couldnt get it to 2 RL

But, I did one fight against a 2 RL blanc .. and moran was last standing and killed the enemy SWHA

lol. Not sure if lucky

[tropic summit]

probably a poorly invested SWHA

in general SWHA on blanc buff should kill moran unless she's with biscuit

[high stream]

Since this is what my other 2 teams look like .. i didnt have many choices

[tropic summit]

either way keep messing with def teams, regularly change them when opponents defeat them, as you regardless raise the chances they fumble

[high stream]

Yeah, I am. I've saved all the defense teams in deck builder, but at this point, im running out of ideas

[tropic summit]

get creative with stall teams, indom variants, rosanna saccs or early pressure

from time to time throw in a slow cindy aswell

[high stream]

The last few days, I changed my defense like 4 or 5 times, using CA as inspiration too .. but all lost. Then I came here for help.

[tropic summit]

no matter the teams you make always include:

jackal, blanc, swha, vestiTU, biscuit, moran, noise, rumani, helmT

situationally

nayuta, bay, anchorIM, rapunzel, cindy, liberalio

[high stream]

Is this team too low CP at this level im competing then?

[tropic summit]

adding soda/siren can also work, sometimes opponents forget about stun pressure

[tropic summit]

multiply your campaign team for 0.846, that's your best benchmark

if your team is above that value, you're unlikely to get gapped

[high stream]

That would be 611K

[tropic summit]

then ye, too low

high risk of getting gapped there

[high stream]

Bay and Trina are really low. They dont have OL gear

[tropic summit]

right, scrap that one then

[high stream]

Okay

Would it be decently viable to put a CP pad in there? I can achieve 711k with auto

No cubes

[tropic summit]

CP pad against equal synchro opponent generally won't work

[tropic summit]

they can fight that with a 592k CP team

also would be way too slow to be threatening

[high stream]

Any way to make it workable? We have a Moran and a Lib

Blanc also open

[tropic summit]

hmm gonna need to fit some batteries at least

[high stream]

Jackal and Biscuit also there, since u didnt use them in the other 2 defenses

[tropic summit]

moran anchorIM scarlet vestiTU trina

oh with jackal it changes everything

[high stream]

well, u made these defenses

you left jackal open

she is not in T2 and not in T3

[tropic summit]

run this pseudo nuke + stall + early pressure team

it does a lot of things at the same time

[high stream]

612K, better

Anchor burst has to go through tho, right?

[tropic summit]

ye but in p3 she'll be fine

vestiTU alone can't lethal her

[high stream]

Is 7 7 7 on Scar fine?

[tropic summit]

ya scar is not actually the core part here, it's moran + vestiTU + anchorIM synergy

[high stream]

I dont wanna use books before anni

good

[tropic summit]

scar is just there to prevent enemy running feed units

[high stream]

Had to use 300 gems yesterday .. but, if I can ultimately maintain top 10, even a small loss is fine i think

I was holding top 10 just fine for like .. 6 weeks. But now, everyone hyper aggro

[lunar pawn]

Is 8% cs vesti no longer a thing?

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

it is, still need at least 5% to land the rockets to ensure you hit the ideal threshold

as keripo mentioned though having 15% or 21% will help even more ensuring you land all rockets before enemy B1 is up

[umbral belfry]

just get both

[umbral crown]

Indeed

[umbral belfry]

not u rosy

patoo @ your vesti!!

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit My Noah and Laplace are built different

[tropic summit]

you won lotto there

pepega scarlet, no s2 proccs, beautiful

inb4 it's a 4/4/4 trina

[arctic jewel]

Due to Soda being there, it was heavily in my opponent's favor

(Which is why I thought I was gonna lose)

[tropic summit]

yeah you should've lost, opponent prolly a bit salty

but he's gonna learn to invest in his scarlet next time

[lunar pawn]

Nice, shame absolute comp never worked for me

[tropic summit]

it's RNG, in everything you run

[lunar pawn]

Never got past prelims with absolute

[tropic summit]

CA doesn't reward a shit of what you do, just get lucky

[lunar pawn]

[tropic summit]

there are champs with absolute

you're just facing bad RNG

[lunar pawn]

Whale champs

[tropic summit]

probably

cores do help a tad

[lunar pawn]

F2P does what f2p can

[tropic summit]

they mostly enjoy pve instead

since whales lose to hackers there at least

[lunar pawn]

Idek what's left to enjoy in this game

[lusty gull]

you should try my variant

[lunar pawn]

Which one

And yea, if absolute only works with a 25% vesti, we're back to square one, only doable for whales who hard focus pvp

[tulip quest]

man that's kinda costly

[lunar pawn]

How much cs on vesti?

[lusty gull]

i personally advise not more than 11%

[shell hazel]

that's a very expensive team

[lunar pawn]

I'm at just over 8%

[lusty gull]

11 best but lower is ok

[lusty gull]

not that much

[shell hazel]

moran vesti and sw super expensive

[lunar pawn]

What's your CA setup though? Did it get you far? And what bracket? High / medium tier?

[shell hazel]

bas7ial always does well so I don't argue there 😄

[tropic summit]

do your raids, do your HM, do your bare minimun in sp arena/CA

[lusty gull]

yeah and i still have some nikke waiting on ca bench

[tropic summit]

the game needs something fresh, but the community keeps biting at the lewd skins, so they're motivated to keep milkin' the cow

[lunar pawn]

Finished 0.7% past SR, cleared all of HM, top 3 in SPA, now looking to do well in CA despite being in the worst bracket

[shell hazel]

co-op is not it though

hate that mode

[tropic summit]

yeah you've experienced most of it

in a sense you could say you pretty much cleared nikke

[tulip quest]

suggest a new mode

[lunar pawn]

Coop is as polished as CA

[tropic summit]

competitive coop SR

[shell hazel]

beaten the game!

[tulip quest]

bro that's UR

[tropic summit]

compete with your friends to get high SR ranks

[tropic summit]

that's union, not friends

[shell hazel]

zanta keeps winning though 🙁

[tulip quest]

I will just delete whale friends and add newbies then

[tropic summit]

think of it as a ranked 5 man team that you can make with anyone

[lunar pawn]

Would need to find f2p friends and those don't come often

[tropic summit]

brackets will have matchmaking to avoid competiting with broken whales as newer/medium account creation date

whales form a whale team, they'll face other same whale teams

f2p form f2p team, they'll face near same competition

[lusty gull]

far

[tropic summit]

believe it or not, nikke could've good things, they just don't want to invest resources that don't bring money

[tulip quest]

I doubt about this 1

SPA alone kinda proved that

[tropic summit]

don't worry there's a bigger issue anyway, hackers

until they fix that, you gotta take rankings with a grain of salt

[tulip quest]

just make hackers Arena at that point

[tropic summit]

arena aint really worth much, it's a solved game mode

if i was SU i'd just scrap the mode altogether, but people gem in it, so it's worth for some extra sales

[tulip quest]

I kinda thought maybe something Like MOG infinite competition or somethin but Nikke

Gameplay

or zombie mode

https://tenor.com/view/house-of-the-dead-gif-18997979

[tropic summit]

i don't think they'll ever go as far as making an alternate mode that disregards the base engine

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/the-magician-house-of-the-dead-hotd-magician-zoomin-gif-9117048972747075190

[tropic summit]

at best they did with minigames

[arctic jewel]

The fact that my Noah and frickin Laplace tanked a Scarlet nuke was a miracle

[tropic summit]

a miracle called bricked scar/trina but ye, remarkable

definitely worth the 🍿

[arctic jewel]

Yeah, that has to be the reason why he lost, like Trina should provide enough of a buff to Scarlet

And his Scarlet must have really bad Atk lines

[tropic summit]

in terms of %, a trina buff, assuming maxed out as scarlet, should account for the same as a blanc + RH buff

albeit the RH + blanc also apply a debuff, so it's generally higher

surviving a scar-trina nuke without a B1 DR is supposedly not doable

[arctic jewel]

It's the Damage taken debuff right?

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel gonna get a pizza

🍕

[arctic jewel]

Yeah exactly

[arctic jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-pogchamp-peppino-pizzatower-gif-27496427

[lunar pawn]

Doesn't answer my question but thanks for the attempt anyway

I'll just copy another high tier champion setup next season, and avoid making another absolute comp

[lusty gull]

i already post some here, multiple champion, high level champion arena

[brazen ledge]

Bastial le boss

[lusty gull]

[brazen ledge]

[shell hazel]

[gritty ridge]

Nuh uh

[scarlet adder]

are there some rules to who nikke will attack after changing weapon type? i see moran shooting my dps with highest attack in the middle of my team

[versed mesa]

Alright I think C4 is just opting not to even attack me until he gets to 681 for CP boost.

C3 swapped to C1 from me literally a minute before I just logged in lol

I could go for C2 instead, but if he has trouble with my comp as well, it just means that he breaks out the Keripo master strats, and becomes more annoying to mess around with

[hollow lagoon]

[gritty ridge]

Yes

Weapon change targets highest attack unless taunted afaik

[scarlet adder]

really? didn't see that happen with RH ever, so far only with moran

[gritty ridge]

Rh doesnt weapon change

[scarlet adder]

is it yugioh again where words sounding the same are not the same?

[gritty ridge]

Redhood just boosts her ammo to 999 and maxes charge speed

[scarlet adder]

same wording in both

feels like a unitended feature xD

[lone sequoia]

RH can change target 2~3 times, but target highest atk

moran will target highest atk

not sure about nayuta, i still don't test her and lib

i hate both

weapon change used to ignore attract buff if you burst after the enemy skill, taunt is not the same as attract, but i don't know if they changed the ignore after the DEF change for attract

[wise owl]

Chat, what are we feeling?

[wise owl]

I see

I am open to feedback
Especially on the last team

[austere marsh]

Hey

[spare nimbus]

What about scar?

I remember she targeted my rh instead of noah

On blanc indom

[lone sequoia]

??

[spare nimbus]

Yeah she started shooing my rh instead of Noah

Even tho at the start of battle she was shooting p1 noah

She decided to start shooting rh

[lone sequoia]

i don't understand what are you asking

[scarlet adder]

probaly show your whole roster to rail and he can help you up

[spare nimbus]

Im asking if scar also gets a target change

Even tho her weapon doesnt switch

[gaunt pulsar]

rh did b2?

rh taunts on b2

[scarlet adder]

i am noob who still uses big cp defense and somehow still fights for top 6, dunno how

[spare nimbus]

Noah b2

[lone sequoia]

in cases without taunt or attract in ATK probably just random target and stick with it, we got many target changes during the first 2 years of the game

before CA only taunt on target or attract buff for ATK team worked, not for DEF teams

scar indom (DEF) against noah/RH in atk? who was the main b3 or dps?

[spare nimbus]

I forgot lol, this was a while back, your messages just reminded me of it. It was a typical 2rl noah biscuit b3 rh and another unit to get 2rl

I can try and search recordings

[lone sequoia]

centi+ a random unit? rh b3 is in range to die from scar counters

[glad meteor]

[lone sequoia]

i had one of those teams in my rookie ATK teams, but changed it like 2 hours ago...

[versed mesa]

Ah rival didn't even try to snipe this time. I guess he decided sleep is more important.

[shell hazel]

nope it's your silver name!

[arctic jewel]

my teams are at the top, my opponent's teams below

[lunar pawn]

ganbare

[gritty ridge]

Is that my bracket

It looks familiar

[shell hazel]

no it's mine

wrong server bigboi

[gritty ridge]

Its the right commander level range and I have a rin too

[shell hazel]

wrong Rin

[lone sequoia]

everyone have a rin

[shell hazel]

that rin is @crystal flicker and that warheart is (weirdly) @arctic jewel

[gritty ridge]

Why do they all have helm pfp tho

[lunar pawn]

all rins like blue heads

[lone sequoia]

you got a decent rin, some have doro

"lazy" and "momo" are the only common ign i have in my friend list

[gritty ridge]

I havent met another miranda pfp

[lone sequoia]

those are cn

are you cn?

[gritty ridge]

No lol

[wind kelp]

Welp, road ended at the 32 fight. Figured, and voted "right", as in, voted for mysef to win when i knew i'd lose 😄

Teams 3 and 4 need to be reworked, and then i think i got a stronk contender for next round. Maybe not finalist, but a solid attempt.

[arctic jewel]

oooooooh... that explains why @crystal flicker is quiet xD

[versed mesa]

Rival still in top 16. He got top 4 last CA, I wonder if he will finally make it to finals or maybe even win

[arctic jewel]

If I lose, I can't be mad, also, @crystal flicker has probably a better chance of progressing further than me

[oak hatch]

U got countered pretty hard here

[covert lintel]

@swift mango My scar can't escape from black ammo

[arctic jewel]

Always good to know that I bring the worst teams against certain matchups

[shell hazel]

how come you're full rolling not keeping the 3rd line atk?

[swift mango]

I would just lock atk tbh.

[tropic summit]

🧱

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-gif-1748499123257475241

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/office-doro

[arctic jewel]

I was wondering the same thing, why not locking the Atk line?

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/kU8QlxSnpQT.gif

[swift mango]

probably out of rocks

[arctic jewel]

or keys

[swift mango]

I would just reroll for 11% then blue lock if I were out of key

[shell hazel]

doesn't make sense just save more rocks lol

[swift mango]

make sense in my case.

used all the rock then 1 left, depressed and just hit roll.

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

Not ready for treasure.

[arctic jewel]

very relatable

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/throw-out-rage

ready for the trash instead

[arctic jewel]

eeewwww

should I save for Anniversary? 🤔

[shell hazel]

nah you should spend it all now and have no doll mats for anni

like a true gigachad

[tropic summit]

just do like blood does, spend everything regularly, so that you're always broke

[arctic jewel]

[oak hatch]

Do I lock the ele here for Laplace I need cs bad

[arctic jewel]

up to you, having ele is also great, but you'll be spending more rocks...

(I really dislike these type of rolls)

[oak hatch]

idek what to do

[swift mango]

Depend on how much you value the ele

LapT only needs like 8% CS anyway,

[oak hatch]

I mean ele pretty important but I need pro rock usage advice

To reroll completely or lock and spend more rocks for cs

[swift mango]

ask rail, he has 300 rocks. I would leave the piece alone if I had something better to do. Or if you wanted atk as well, just fish a line 3 ele, atk or cs.

[oak hatch]

Doesn’t she need 11 for nayuta rh team

[swift mango]

no, 5% should be enough for her to match 11% CS of other rl and not making 2rl p1 b2 stunned

[oak hatch]

Ye but I need to win mirror matchups

Doesn’t more cs help in mirror

[swift mango]

depend, sometime slower is better.
about nayuta team. If you had team wide 21% your helm should burst before 11% team wide helm I guess.

[oak hatch]

Sounds like he hoarding for half anni

[swift mango]

he is hoarding for nikke 3.0

[oak hatch]

Why slower better?

[swift mango]

and he is much luckier than me anyway.

[swift mango]

Take Scarlet soda mirror for example, the soda who stun scarlet first lose.
Blanc indom mirror too, ammo aside, the one burst slower win.

@tropic summit you know where the extra gold box came from? Betting? Simu? Event challenge stage?

[oak hatch]

Mb phone dead, but nayuta indom both starts at same time

[humble tiger]

Oh my god. They're here. 6-8. Those three love to attack me.

[umbral crown]

I wouls

Ele on laplace is the way

[oak hatch]

thx

[umbral crown]

free lock and hope for the best

[oak hatch]

[fading ermine]

Can I win?

[oak hatch]

Which one is u?

[glad meteor]

Hes prob device

[oak hatch]

Top can win 3 4 5
Bottom can win 1 2 4 5

[fading ermine]

Oki thank

[glad meteor]

[jagged current]

Guys, can I get an honest review? Could I win this bout? I'm the one below, and the opponent is over 15 levels ahead of me. But get this: I've been 2 tiers above him in "Challenger" Special Arena PVP for weeks, and the dude has tried several times to beat me, but couldn't (!), but yesterday someone else different sniped me and I fell down some levels. I wanted to climb back.

[wise owl]

All non-limited Nikke, aside from EH and new Arcana
All collab units after Bay's release (so, roughly 1.5 onwards)
Missing some seasonals, but X!Anne aside, I don't think they're used too often

[swift mango]

You got better chance than the enemy. Could win up to 4-1

[fading ermine]

Really

[jagged current]

How about my situation? Do I have any chance? 🙂

[lone sequoia]

probably, not sure, ff

you have to check cp deficit and penalty

[jagged current]

There is plenty. 70k difference

In his favour

[lone sequoia]

stats penalty start at 15.4% i think

i didn't check speed for T2, but can your swha tank 2 vesti combo in p3?

[jagged current]

I'd say not. My Vesti TU is not as powerful as Snow for the time being.

So I organized the teams around, mostly based off CP values

Still, I'll give it a try. Good thing about Special Arena is that you do not fall off tier levels if you lose, so... 🙂

[covert lintel]

Because I'm hopeless when locking atk

[lone sequoia]

it looks fine

you can just kill noah and enemy vesti between combo if the link is in cindy

[lone sequoia]

no lock atk 3rd line?

[covert lintel]

You know i'm worse than you when it comes to rolling right

I always get charge dmg in the first line and no stat in the second line when locking atk

[lone sequoia]

atk 3rd line or normal atk?

1st line rerolls (lock 3-2) are cursed, you get the same bad effect all the time

but is still better than full reroll without good effects

[jagged current]

Just a post message:
It worked, Nesso. Almost 100k CP difference, and my 3 team comp still won, somehow... XD Anyways, I'll sleep happier tonight. 🙂

[lone sequoia]

gz

that was like 40% deficit

[swift mango]

Try again, try harder, try more.

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/oFBMz3thf3I?si=GgnK7puxGdClqd0A

[hollow tulip]

If I want to link my Blabla to showcase my pvp teams how do I do that?

[crystal flicker]

Go to Shifty pad profile, make sure to click the shield-lock button and enable your Nikke to be seen by others
Then go back and click top right to share the url

[abstract siren]

How to beat this team? Can u guys gimme some tips?? Is it the lvl gap to wide??

[humble tiger]

No. You're in the threshold. Show all your units and then wait for an expert to build a counter for you.

[umbral crown]

team 3: you need to be over: 2,195,727 cp

Moran/Noah/Cinderella/HelmT/Biscuit

Team 1 :you need to be over: 2,295,335 cp

Jackal/VestiTactical/Blanc/SnowHA/Siren. make sure vesti is the lowest cp unit in the team and also linked

[gritty ridge]

Waow big number

[tulip quest]

I tot u don't wanna use Tactical comp?

[spiral onyx]

I didn't want to. But after some testing, it's still got a better win rate than my Nayuta-VestiT comp

[umbral crown]

indeed

there are many variations of it and you just need to find the best one for you

[tulip quest]

aight

[spiral onyx]

Still plan to swap out that team once we get new PvP units if possible

[tulip quest]

3:26 how did u survive Scarlet slash?

is it him that is weak scarlet or yours just too strong?

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/carnival-phantasm-gilgamesh-i-am-the-rules-fate-gif-9110583153919115804

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/people-die-if-they-are-gif-20318194

Normally

[rich quail]

@keen vapor IT’S TIME TO USE THE CORE DUST

[keen vapor]

Why A2 is there

[rich quail]

THE END~~ of service~~ IS COMING

[keen vapor]

[rich quail]

📧

CHO

you promised

EoS to Nikke 2

You use all your core dust

Destiny has come for you my friend

[raven plover]

ayo? stream it I want to witness this glorious moment

[umbral crown]

[covert lintel]

Great event tomorrow

[formal quiver]

that's my friend yea it's a very weak scar tbh I'm surprised he even made it that far he has 0 invest https://i.imgur.com/0wXlA5R.png

[umbral crown]

[formal quiver]

that's kinda the thing with bracket 1 tho. all the pvp mains all quit before any pvp endgame was announced so you really just have a bunch of pveers who only put 1 rock max into these units

[tulip quest]

Yea I tot for sure when I watched it, it was a wipe

[formal quiver]

vs an earlier bracket it's kinda hard for someone to see the difference between their 3% Sr and 1% vs someone in that bracket top 100 vs top 50. so there really is a lot less competition there

like yea sure don and Luka are scary names but do you think they're putting 18 cs on Trina while also hitting 41b in Sr? xd hell no

the fact that both of them have won kinda speaks to the strength of the bracket

[spiral onyx]

It doesn't actually say anything about the bracket

It says more about the CA system itself

Rock paper scissors is still 50% of the determining factor

[formal quiver]

I mean meanwhile @umbral belfry is 18 cs everything 56 atk vesti meta comps every time and at 2 wins

[gritty ridge]

Is that monster hunter?

[formal quiver]

I'm not saying ca is perfect but yea it's kind of a bracket difference

[spiral onyx]

A zero investment Noah team will still beat a max investment Scarlet team

Of course team comps also matter a lot

But people mostly just copy winning teams

Earlier I went up against someone who literally copied my winning teams from last season

He's had mostly MLB units and blue dolls

While I had all C7 and SR15 dolls

I won 3:2

Not because of investment but because of the ordering of the teams

[formal quiver]

yea both can exist at the same time. ca format being bad and one bracket being easier than the other

[spiral onyx]

Even if he had C7 and all SR15 dolls, the score probably would still have been 3:2

At the start of CA, I'd say things were probably evenly split 33% team comps, 33% investment, and 33% RNG matchup luck

Now since everyone copies team comps is like 30% investment and 70% RNG luck

And soon investment will cap out so it'll be 90% RNG luck

[torn obsidian]

that's not true

CA has gotten more interesting lately because there're more than 5 possible "main" comps to play

if you copy blindly, a skilled pvp player who changes comps and techs their teams to match their bracket has a distinct advantage

yes we know we can't escape from the inherent RNG, but pvp knowledge is starting to matter when there are more comp possibilities and more meta pvp units

[spiral onyx]

Sure, people who don't pay any attention will be behind

But what I mean is the meta is changing slowly enough that even F2P who try can catch up on skill and doll investment

And roll the right OL lines

[glad meteor]

Not with soda

[torn obsidian]

maybe the solution is to increase CA teams to 7

[crystal flicker]

Just add BAN and Debuff/Buff system each season

[torn obsidian]

yeah that's a good one, i think i suggested that in one of the threads in beta season 2 lol

hard force to brainstorm new comps

[coarse lake]

we already have 2-3 common trash comps, don't need another 2 more

[tulip quest]

later down the line when there are more pvp nikkes hard to make 5 good teams much more 6 or 7 but in the future possible

[rich quail]

it’s Nikke2

[covert lintel]

lower or newer players will complain

[long wing]

anything I can change on these teams?

[oak smelt]

Is that person for real? Using Anis for SPA defense at that sync level

[long wing]

I have no idea what u just said

me and this guy go head to head alot 23 sync above me

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit

Im so glad I finally pulled my 2nd dupe

[umbral crown]

gz

[oak smelt]

As i thought he was using Anis in isolation, i was under the impression that Anis is generally avoided in SPA due to CP penalty and at high sync with a full roster that most won't use SR Anis in SPA

[humble tiger]

Yup. The old defense is so much better.

[long wing]

idk i just tossed together what I thought works

this is my anis currently

damn game won't drop me the chest piece

9 9 7 on skills

[abstract siren]

Thx il try this first

[abstract siren]

Ok later ill show it

[main kettle]

Special Arena and Rookie Arena suggestions?

[abstract siren]

Shooot!!!! its fail 😅😅😅😅

Wait ill SS my unit

That is the one i wanna beat 👆

Thats all my unit the rest is SR and lvl i dont need to put it here 🙂🙂

Ive been try some team comp and lost 1000 diamond 🤣🤣🤣

[tulip quest]

Lemme guess Mekami Shifty is just April 1 april fools joke

it would be wild if she was pullable

I don't see Ultraman collab + Lorewise it's insane cause Shifty ady exist

[arctic jewel]

while it's still 31 March, yes, she's 100% an April fools joke

[tulip quest]

ya Exactly it's like the exact same date Nikke2 Arrived

which further helps the theory

[arctic jewel]

also notice that the banner doesn't say "Pick-Up", so unfortunately she's not recruitable

[tulip quest]

yaaa will find out tommorow XD

IT Happen same with Mecha shifty

[arctic jewel]

but I'll say this, she's incredibly hot 🔥

[tulip quest]

I honestly don't mind if she is "Truly pullable" even if .5 anniv comes nxt

Tho I doubt it April just tommorow it just times right the April Fool's joke

[arctic jewel]

yupp, and will probably be active a few days

I can't remember how long the event was available last year

[tulip quest]

Mecha shifty had story also but no pick up

[arctic jewel]

We would have otherwise recruited Shifty and Syuen as well

[versed mesa]

They just posted the shooting pose

[arctic jewel]

But yeah, it's just a fun joke event

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/ass-eat-manger-du-cul-fiak-peach-gif-25946664

[arctic jewel]

If Mekami Shifty is an upgrade of Mecha Shifty, then literally everything makes sense xD

[versed mesa]

We get an animated wallpaper again of the burst like with the previous April Fools ones surely

[arctic jewel]

There's a possibility that the Mekami Shifty could also be fake xD

(Pls don't Shift Up)

[unique wagon]

@tropic summit Yeah so I need a wipe in T3 idk which one's the best. Scarlet maybe? I can use someone else for T1

[versed mesa]

Nah the Nikke2 thing is surely the no actual gameplay April Fools thing, Shifty keeps with the theme of the previous ones

[unique wagon]

I know one of these days someone will tell me to use TVesti in T1 and Scarlet in T3

[unique wagon]

Maybe Privaty may be able to win T3

[arctic jewel]

Sounds like a plan

[tulip quest]

If it would help me maintain top 1-3 without much competition and even if I have competition top 1-3 it would be worth it to invest

VestT no Scarlet anymore tho

[unique wagon]

would SAnis win indom?

I can probably Vigor the team to make her runnable there

maybe Cindy but that will be a pain to link

[arctic jewel]

I'm thinking of either SWHA or Helm

[arctic jewel]

Yeah, don't do that

[unique wagon]

and Cindy's Max HP skill may ruin it

[arctic jewel]

Why Rapi in the first place?

[unique wagon]

because he suggested Ein, which didn't work

and he said try using others

I thought my RRH could kill Centi but I guess not

[arctic jewel]

Do you have Ada?

[unique wagon]

yes but what would she do here

replace Centi?

will the team be fast enuf though

[arctic jewel]

Ada boosts the damage of the Nikke that used B3

[unique wagon]

how slow can I afford here. 3 RL?

cus Ada makes it 4 RL

[arctic jewel]

You definitely need Centi at least

[versed mesa]

Need someone else instead of Rapi

[arctic jewel]

Yeah, Rapi is not helping you here

The other B3 Nikke should be something like VestiTU or some powerful Water coded Nikke

[unique wagon]

The only B3 that works here without TVesti is

[versed mesa]

I wish I had the screenshot of my Nayuta with RRH team I had months ago, it was kinda slow but it tripped up my opponents for a good while.

[arctic jewel]

Indom dittos are weird in general

In my opinion

[tidal lichen]

can u ss the opponent and your box

my phone refuses to load the vid

[unique wagon]

Ill use Scarlet there instead

and use Rei in T1 problem solved

Nah I alr won how can I ss

I just want a 3/3

[tulip quest]

SAnis is bad nowadays

[arctic jewel]

I feel like there has to be a way to optimize your Nikke placement, as in what teams they should belong

[unique wagon]

But will she win indom is the question

[tidal lichen]

yes if indom is slower

she attacks pretty fast

[unique wagon]

Nayu Siren ReiT SWHA Drake will do

[arctic jewel]

Like... I understand why T1 is built the way it is, but do you really need a Scarlet, Nayuta, SWHA etc on the same team?

[unique wagon]

apparently same speed as Scar anyway

[unique wagon]

Need for speed

[arctic jewel]

The whole purpose of T1 is to stun Noah and nuke with Scarlet

[unique wagon]

I need SWHA to reach 2.5 RL

Yes, then ReiT will do just fine

Or I just ReiT team 3 but that's a bit more iffy

Idk which one is better

[arctic jewel]

If ReiT is able to take out all the Nikkes after Moran B1, then sure

I have no idea how effective she is

[unique wagon]

She definitely can

This is after Nayuta's burst

[arctic jewel]

Alright, good to know, but

You still have T3 to take care of

[unique wagon]

I alr won 2 teams though

Why do I need 3/3

[arctic jewel]

You mean 3 B3 Nikkes in T1?

[tidal lichen]

just swap rapi with sanis no?

[versed mesa]

earlier you asked specifically on how to win 3/3, so which one is it? You only need to win 2 anyway

[arctic jewel]

Oh you mean wins? Nvm, my b

[unique wagon]

is 2.5 RL B3 faster than Label's buff or no

Will 2.5 RL Scar hit Label?

Or is 3 RL needed

oh actually 3.5-4

[hollow lagoon]

The new shifty is

We now know SU prefers blue waifus

[arctic jewel]

I wonder if the 2 in Nikke2 stands for "2 reasons"?

[hollow lagoon]

[arctic jewel]

[hollow lagoon]

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-nikke-dorothy-doro-dancing-gif-5368242873039800586

[whole ocean]

Do you think allowing label to get stunned for 1 sec is enough for slow cindy to work if SWHA dies? Or will she keep getting stunned and never burst

[tulip quest]

All I know is that 1st comp is usually C.A comp

hard question to answer for me

I think we need Rail here

[arctic jewel]

Hmmm... I don't know if this team actually works

[whole ocean]

Yeah I am trying to make it slow enough so Noahs burst doesn't block cindy burst but not sure if it's possible

[torn obsidian]

is this zap from asteria

[whole ocean]

Yes

[tulip quest]

I do that with Nayuta

Rumani Cindy Nayuta Biscuit Siren

[arctic jewel]

doesn't slow Cindy teams usually have slower RL?

[tulip quest]

or Rumani Nayuta biscuit Siren Cindy

[tulip quest]

yea SNOW H.A kinda makes that not slow enough

tho still a good blanc comp

[whole ocean]

Yeah but I thought the whole idea of having cindy in that C.A team is if Snow dies from VestiT

[torn obsidian]

anyway label will find a way to burst

[whole ocean]

Cool then it should be slow enough to beat noah VestiT teams

[tulip quest]

yea cause it usually loses to Rossana p1

cindy is backup

[torn obsidian]

if your label doesn't die to vesti that is

[tulip quest]

Biscuit makes it survive I think

[arctic jewel]

does it have to be a slow Cindy team? is it possible to create some kind of stall team with Moran?

[whole ocean]

Asking this questions cause my team lost in that exact scenario in CA and I am asking for some help on it

[torn obsidian]

well if your blanc and label procs biscuit, your cindy will prob die to vesti's burst

[arctic jewel]

do you have a recording of that game?

[whole ocean]

Oh cindys shield is not strong enough? I see

[fading ermine]

[torn obsidian]

i'm not sure i'm just headcomping, never played with the comp before

[tulip quest]

depends more on opponent VestT

[arctic jewel]

and how invested the Vesti is

[crystal flicker]

thats one funny comp

[arctic jewel]

oh? now that I see you, which one of us won?

my guess is you

oh, nvm, it's going on

[crystal flicker]

I didn't really check it, esp after prev few match I predict wrong team lol

[tulip quest]

NOT sure honestly high atk or crit + cs would prolly kill it

[crystal flicker]

If she doesn't have Bis Inv, VesT burst can kill Cindy

[arctic jewel]

since you basically had counters for like... every team of mine xD

[arctic jewel]

I was lucky during my previous opponent, but I don't think it's the same this time, your Scarlet and Trina are probably more invested than my opponent's

[crystal flicker]

My comp pretty low invested tbh, even SG took so much time to kill 1 Nikke

[arctic jewel]

eeeccchhh... more invested than mine, or at least some of them

anyway, let's see how it goes, I highly doubt I win this time

[crystal flicker]

It all comes down to whether XSoline can counter Nayuta lol

[arctic jewel]

maybe

[torn obsidian]

there's also the possibility that indom goes to label, cindy bursts but doesn't kill opponent, and you get cleaned up

if opponent b1 is moran you prob can't win in that case

[whole ocean]

Label gives attack buff though, and + Blanc that should be enough I think?

[arctic jewel]

yeah, that's a good point, getting indom on Cindy sounds difficult for me

Cindy usually runs Vigor right?

[torn obsidian]

you have damage but cindy needs some time to output her full damage

meanwhile vesti is raining shots down

better to just test it in SA/RA tbh

[whole ocean]

I whaled too hard and that's not possible RIP

I wish there was a battle sim

[torn obsidian]

i can test for you, give me a vesti comp

[arctic jewel]

how? Arena Tools?

[torn obsidian]

same SA as guild mate

[arctic jewel]

aaah, I see

[whole ocean]

Here is the one I lost too but there are other setups you can try

[hollow lagoon]

the zantnitus

[torn obsidian]

you mean you lost with label p3?

[whole ocean]

I lost label p5

The label p3 was a suggest to slow burst to get cindy to bypass noah invul

[torn obsidian]

how'd you lost?

bc if indom went to cindy, you'd still have won

[whole ocean]

Noah

[torn obsidian]

hm i see

[whole ocean]

Don't tell me it's because I added quantum to Snow

[torn obsidian]

yeah maybe don't use quantum on a p2 b3 unit

[arctic jewel]

well... that could definitely be a reason

[torn obsidian]

idk if i can replicate sw dying in a test so it's a little pointless

[whole ocean]

True, should swap and try to see if it was the issue next time

[whole ocean]

Ah well, thank you though

[hollow lagoon]

what's the team speed

[gaunt pulsar]

you need giga lucky timing for label stall to work

[hollow lagoon]

yeah u way too fast

u need 4 rl for half of her burst to land post noah and on 2,5

[whole ocean]

And I just checked adding quantum to Snow only makes me burst 0.033 seconds faster

[gaunt pulsar]

even if plan was to stall for 1s with label stun you need to be giga lucky to get stunned right after you reach 100%, but most likely outcome is this https://youtu.be/_EQYNltewco

[whole ocean]

That answers my question fully thank you. I guess it's just slapping on Temp and praying Snow doesn't die then

[tulip quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-R_Ulec_H4 1:56

maybe this can help u same comp with Keripo

you can also watch many match up in his YT same comp