pvp-arena

[lethal karma]

tuff 🥀

that team will burst gen like crazy and theres noah, definitely will need to delay burst until noah invul expires while also keeping team alive for cindy burst

[frigid jungle]

owh ya my charac just die b4 burst even start

cp diff

but somehow won him once of 4 time when he attacked me

[lethal karma]

if ur team has 15.4% deficit difference and above you will have penalty, otherwise small CP diff dont mean much

[frigid jungle]

im cooked

[shell hazel]

how well built is your rosanna?

[frigid jungle]

not at all

[shell hazel]

[shell hazel]

you could try to overwhelm it with more dps

[frigid jungle]

erm idk if my dps is enuf

[frigid jungle]

oh ok wait gonna try that

[shell hazel]

it may not work tbh but check cp first

[frigid jungle]

my SWHA too weak rn

cp too low XD

[shell hazel]

actually it's in range but is your moran properly treasured?

[wind kelp]

Welp, see how this one runs, something old(classic), something new(own cook), something borrowed(from champs), something blue(helm).

[frigid jungle]

treasured 2 rn

[shell hazel]

can you rec/try it?

[frigid jungle]

oh wait treasure 1

[shell hazel]

p2 is just her cdr I think

which won't matter for this fight it will be decided on first burst cycle anyway

[frigid jungle]

do i need to max her skill?

rn on 7/7/7

[shell hazel]

my moran is 10/10/10 but general rec is 7/10/10

she's great in campaign anyway so not like you'll be wasting anything by getting to rec

[frigid jungle]

ok done

7/10/10

[shell hazel]

yeah that's fine to stay there

I run her all the time in my hard campaign as main b1, when treasured to p3 it's a monster unit

btw you can't exchange excess materials to get hers done sooner?

[frigid jungle]

i cant cuz nt enough

[shell hazel]

done the solo raid museums?

they also give some doll materials for older ones

[frigid jungle]

yea i did

i lost last alive is the swha and their moran

[shell hazel]

I'd have been interested to see how the recording went

[frigid jungle]

oh wait lemme cut and send to u

too large file

[shell hazel]

your other option would be hyper buff moran hp and hope for the best lol

[frigid jungle]

oh no

[shell hazel]

if you don't mind some science

[frigid jungle]

yeah sure hang on

got absolute cooked

killed no one

[shell hazel]

[gaunt pulsar]

how is your bay?

[shell hazel]

lmao we had 2nd burst cycle ready almost 😄

[frigid jungle]

yea and ngl quite a weird one

[shell hazel]

survival up damage down

your cp was ok on this one too yeah?

[frigid jungle]

yea 130k same as earlier

1.3m*

[glad meteor]

Try moran anchor biscuit sw helm?

[shell hazel]

his sw not that well built I think

[glad meteor]

Temper cube on all

[glad meteor]

[worthy knoll]

Does stun not remove weapon change now?

[glad meteor]

Phase 3 moran no

[worthy knoll]

Why is that?

[glad meteor]

Changes her burst description

[worthy knoll]

Lemme check skill description again

[glad meteor]

She can cover now

[frigid jungle]

ok wait

0.1m behind

is that fine eh XD it would be 1.2m

[shell hazel]

no you can't be in deficit here

[worthy knoll]

Still can't see diff from non treasured though that makes her weapon change uninterruptable 🤔

[shell hazel]

could try vesti as main nuker but noah will eat her initial volley

[worthy knoll]

You sure its a Moran specific only and not all "weapon change" units kind of change?

[shell hazel]

and same again but helm as main nuker but I dunno if that would change anything

[worthy knoll]

I think that only matters for PVE though 🤔

[shell hazel]

still it's rookie so it's science and 🍿

[frigid jungle]

ok wait

[shell hazel]

it's a tough comp to beat especially without a built rosanna, and a slight uphill struggle on power 😄

I don't think indom option would win it either

[frigid jungle]

got cooked

[umbral crown]

Snow indom should work just fine

[shell hazel]

I dunno, it might do but I don't think their SW that strong

[frigid jungle]

nope

[umbral crown]

[frigid jungle]

im building my kraken team rn so nope

[umbral crown]

Snow investment issues

[gaunt pulsar]

it doesn't, even with rh buff, too much heal on the other side

[frigid jungle]

my swha is not that strong yet

[umbral crown]

[worthy knoll]

Can I see your roster?

[frigid jungle]

hang on

here

only vesti jumped

[raven plover]

hello sar any ca teams to copy

[glad meteor]

Yes

If moran not phase 3, she loses weapon change and taunt

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

Depends on if she can kill moran, sw hits are delayed so moran with biscuit invul can survive

[shell hazel]

yes that is my concern too, biscuit will let them stall and they're on helm healing too

[worthy knoll]

Can you try Blanc/Scarlet(place temperance)/Lib/Biscuit(vigor)/RedHood(vigor).. Scarlet must survive until HelmT burst at least 🤔

[frigid jungle]

ok will try in a bit stuck on coop rn

[shell hazel]

hoping for scarlet indom into 2nd burst cycle with RH?

[worthy knoll]

No, Lib nuke

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-copy-belgium-france-gif-18983351

[umbral crown]

[worthy knoll]

Scarlet just for HelmT magnet

Now I just hope indom lands on Blanc tho

[shell hazel]

won't lib nuke just hit into the noah wall though?

[worthy knoll]

The idea is somewhat like this

[frigid jungle]

omg that work

[umbral crown]

@raven plover

[frigid jungle]

ngl i thought i lost cuz everything went black

[worthy knoll]

Now check if it is consistent

[frigid jungle]

ok

[raven plover]

thank you boss

[shell hazel]

nice win!

[umbral crown]

[frigid jungle]

yea same result

dang yall are a beast

[shell hazel]

works because lib nuke arrives after noah shield wears off?

[frigid jungle]

won all 3

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, you just need to pop off Lib nuke slightly late.. and opponent being too quick was their downside too

[shell hazel]

not a team comp I saw used before but yep clearly a good solution to this puzzle

[frigid jungle]

yea now i stuck on vs top 1 cuz his cp is 1.7m

[frigid jungle]

ty merry and hippos yalla re a beast

[shell hazel]

4RL

useful one to know about thanks merry

[worthy knoll]

Its kinda 3.5

With Lib with some small bit of CS 🤔

Well partly coz of Noah too

Oh wait I guess it is just lib in this case, was thinking Noah give Biscu a lift

[shell hazel]

yeah could be 3.5 with some CS on biscuit or lib

[unique wagon]

how to beat

how to beat 2 RL scar @tropic summit

is this where ReiT becomes useful

[shell hazel]

just noah or bay the nuke - team 3 looks very weak to anything competent

[unique wagon]

or shud I just Noah him

[shell hazel]

centi maxed treasure on t3

[unique wagon]

kek

[shell hazel]

t2 obv going for indom here though

[cedar sorrel]

How u go ab beating the first 2 teams? I also threw in the 3rd but that one seems rhe hardest

[unique wagon]

Noah T2 Blanc T1?

but wont TVesti kill Blanc

[worthy knoll]

Lib Scar team, just Rosanna Vesti?
Moran HelmT team, just find a way too hit them with Lib nuke

[unique wagon]

I dont use Rosa Label TVesti

[worthy knoll]

Then the Noise Vesti SWHA, just use Noah SWHA I guess

Or a Blanc SWHA will work too as long you get the indom where you want it

[unique wagon]

surely the indom will work

[worthy knoll]

Why not use them tho?

Use? Not "have"

[unique wagon]

have

I dont have them*

ok I have them but uninvested

Does Jackal link take account of ATK OL

[unique wagon]

If Moran has higher ATK than Rumani and Blanc, SWHA will get indom right?

Keripo jumpscare

[worthy knoll]

Mmh, you there is a kinda a risk of Rumani getting indom on that team 🤔

[spiral onyx]

It's final attack at the start of battle, so yes, OL lines affect

This is why my Noise has 4x atk lines

[hollow lagoon]

Both Moran and rumani can get it

[unique wagon]

Moran is linked

[worthy knoll]

Yeah linked Moran

[unique wagon]

Idk about putting all 3 links in P1 P2 P3 though

[torn obsidian]

just play jackal p3 lol

[spiral onyx]

You can also easily test in shooting range or some random EX stage

[hollow lagoon]

Then rumani can get it then

[unique wagon]

Ill put Moran P1 then

[spiral onyx]

Secret tech: Jackal-Nero-Emma link

Heals and counters for days

[unique wagon]

Secret tech: Quit the game

[worthy knoll]

7:57, my 30 min break time is over, need to head back now. At least the idea for the 1st team and 3rd team should work.

Good luck

[spiral onyx]

Secret tech: ||deez nuts deez nuts deez nuts deez nuts deez nuts ||

[unique wagon]

bro SWHA died right before Blanc indom see THATS WHY I DONT WANT JACKAL P3

the tempering is NOT ENUF

[torn obsidian]

bwo play a 2nd b3

why are you playing indom comp with only 1 b3 and no backup

[unique wagon]

Good point

why did my 3 RL team become 4 RL

the same comp I ran ytd was 3 RL now its 4 RL against these enemies

and what they did was replacing Lib with Centi what

Centi makes enemy slower?

@spiral onyx Do you know why

[spiral onyx]

Inb4 whiff

[unique wagon]

I hit same team:

Moran Noah HelmTr Biscuit Lib > I got 3 RL
Moran CentiTrP3 HelmTr Biscuit Label > I got 4 RL hitting them

Noah wasn't accelerating any of my RLs. No whiff.

[lusty gull]

[glad meteor]

Label shield blocks lib skill burst gen

[unique wagon]

Smh

Shud have told me earlier

Im taking the free 2000 gems and using this week to test teams

I think that guy is in this chat tho

[unreal current]

is this team good

[glad meteor]

Better off bursting lib, but still nah

But you’re still building roster so understandable

[unreal current]

can you build me a team gng

[glad meteor]

Go0ns here will cook

I see options but nothing definitive

[unreal current]

what abt this one

i told him bade isn't effective in pvp but he wouldn't listen

better?

[lunar pawn]

What are you trying to cook? Rookie def?

Got jackal/blanc?

Helm s1 maxed?

[unreal current]

phase 2 s1 maxed

[lunar pawn]

Also noah?

[unreal current]

non

[lunar pawn]

Thinking Moran thelm SWHA trina noise

[unreal current]

everyone is +200k in arena lol my team can't even burst

[lunar pawn]

Or moran centi thelm SWHA biscuit

[unreal current]

cp wen't down the hill

[lunar pawn]

Could also replace biscuit for siren maybe, for extra cp and stun threat...but check RL

[unreal current]

where do i check RL

[lunar pawn]

If you replace biscuit you can go back to trina

Check pins, the website should be there

Nikke deck

[worthy knoll]

Can you change Vesti with Lightning icon 2 RL value to 15.6%.. coz I don't think Vesti can land 3rd shot before 2 RL, prolly around 2.1ish or so but prolly not 2 RL.. well from my observation with my 25 CS Vesti, Biscuit 2nd shot with no CS fired first before Vesti 3rd shot 🤔

And I assume that lightning icon should be lower than even that 25 CS one

[lunar pawn]

From 8% to 15.6?

[worthy knoll]

Currently it shows 23.4% at 2 RL on nikke deck if you gave her lightning icon

7.8% no lightning icon
23.4% with lightning icon (this should be changed to 15.6%)

[lunar pawn]

How is 7.8 no lightning

Should be 0 then

[worthy knoll]

Coz 2 RL is not really 2 second, but more than 2s, so one shot of Vesti would still go through at least

[unreal current]

what does that mean

[lusty gull]

i think it's close enough to consider 23.4 at 2rl

[worthy knoll]

I think it is still too far off, got something wrong before coz I thought it was exactly 2 RL with like just 19% CS but nay, it was still late with that delay of 3rd projectile. I assumed lightning was like at least just 18% or 19% CS not like the maximum CS you could have. 🤔

[lusty gull]

well, lightning icon can be specific for some character

[gaunt pulsar]

vesti shots fly faster 12f, not 16f, you probably can compare by your own video and see that even though bisc shot earlier - vesti shot landed faster, also what position was vesti? p2?

[worthy knoll]

P4, Bisc was in P2

Pretty sure Bisc hit 2nd proj first there before Vesti third

[gaunt pulsar]

and how much cs is bisc?

[worthy knoll]

None

My Vesti should be at least around 24 or 25 CS, not sure how the round offs happens for her

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/copy-pasta-ctrl-c-ctrl-v

[gaunt pulsar]

we can count but need to see individual lines

[worthy knoll]

Well the thing is I don't expect the lightning icon to be that high as mine so, I think the value should be at least 15.6%; coz not everyone would 24 or 25% CS at least for the general one

[tropic summit]

[lusty gull]

i will check more closely and maybe reduce that burst gen value

[tropic summit]

@swift mango if you quit i'll come drag you out of your grave

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit I assume for t1 I should use something like Jackal/Blanc/SWHA/Biscuit/Ada... but there's a risk that his Nikkes aren't built optimally (being 3RL)

t3 I have no idea

[tropic summit]

enemy here is being so kind to give you chance to run 3RL vestiTU against T1 and typical glass cannon scarlet in T2
your issue is just hitting CP requirement instead, play CP tetris and fit those 2 archetypes

T1
vestiTU blanc RH flex jackal (vestiTU linked and lowest HP in link)

T2
noah biscuit cindy helmt rumani, (can be in deficit up to 22-24%)

[worthy knoll]

Then add CS cube

[lunar pawn]

it's good, 2RL is the fastest team speed to reach full burst in arena

you can replace centi for trina since I know she's higher cp for you + would be more useful in keeping moran alive

[lunar pawn]

seems overkill

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah should be 25 with adju, curious

[tropic summit]

you gotta burn their 2 biscuit stacks early, then any indom will wipe them
T1 is annoying i'd just skip, you need to either rosanna and then stall xmaiden or run slower indom like you thought with SWHA and Ada or similar

[worthy knoll]

Maybe, but this was what I want. Others don't need to do the same

[arctic jewel]

do you think Noise is better than Biscuit in t3?

I wanna try and cook something for t1, so making Biscuit available would be nice

[hollow lagoon]

i traded my sanity

[tropic summit]

you need to deny nayuta and rosanna, i wouldn't run it without biscuit

[tropic summit]

as always

[hollow lagoon]

[worthy knoll]

Just Scar P1 with Laplace right?

[worthy knoll]

Rosanna dies, its over for them

[tropic summit]

dunno their box and it looks like he's partially CP gapped, if he's in deficit that team no longer reliable

noah biscuit can deal with gapping so i gave him the more comfy choice

assuming no deficit i'd agree with you

[worthy knoll]

Who place Rosanna on P2 and as sole B1; confident much for her to survive

[tropic summit]

nah look at opponent teams he doesn't know what he's doing very well

he seems to be mixing CP pad with meta units

[gaunt pulsar]

rumani is 21? and noah is like 11?
because from video even though it's hard to get clear picture it seems like your rumani hit 2nd rocket at the same time vesti hit her's 2nd, then comes noah rocket, and then vesti 3rd shot together with bisc 🤔 it's just lost so much frames in that recording that we dont even see 3rd shot numbers

[worthy knoll]

Rumani is 18

[gaunt pulsar]

close enough

[worthy knoll]

Noah is 6, one black line

[gaunt pulsar]

ah

well it do be looking weird then if go by the nikke top frames, but not sure who is the culprit there, because vesti 3rd shot definitely should be hitting faster than bisc 3rd on 0 cs, but cannot see it happening

[worthy knoll]

Bisc 2nd projectile smoke is already near the cover when third projectile of Vesti was in front of Vesti, so Bisc should have hit first

[arctic jewel]

Same guy

[worthy knoll]

Biscuit projectile trail, then Vesti just releasing her third projectile

[cedar sorrel]

I dont have noah

[gaunt pulsar]

1>2>3
first picture is self explanatory*
350k on 3rd picture should come from your bisc shot, and we see explosion from vesti shot there but no dmg numbers, dunno where they went really, i think frames got skipped in recording and they just appear smaller few frames after
305k and 217k on top of 2nd picture is from your rumani together with vesti shot in the back
and 120k on the 4th picture is few frames before vesti 3rd shot hit, from noah

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit what if I use some kind of Rosanna team against t2 instead?

so I get to try Blanc on t1?

[tropic summit]

bay 2RL then, if bay non treasured put her in p4

[tropic summit]

you'd need at least 1 sniper to lower RH HP in p5 and your rosanna would need to have 40% atk and a bit of ele to 1hitko both p4 and p5

@arctic jewel things like these

[lusty gull]

problem can be because of the silent update they did once, rl and sr shooting faster because animation faster @worthy knoll

[tropic summit]

@arctic jewel keep in mind that they've SWHA so you'll also need jackal to keep rosanna linked to avoid losing her cloak so it rapidly gets expensive

[lusty gull]

so it was close enough before that update, now maybe i should reduce tvesti burst gen at 2rl because of that

[tropic summit]

just focus on 2 teams and call it a day

[arctic jewel]

rip, oh well... my Rosanna has like ~35% Atk and she's usually not linked...

[worthy knoll]

Oh, when was this. I was out of the loop for one month since Jan 28

[tropic summit]

deal with the 2 teams you've the tools for, don't bother to triple

[lusty gull]

#pvp-arena message

[arctic jewel]

I'm just eager to get more info, that's all

[worthy knoll]

Oh since last year

Mmh wonder if that is the case, I guess maybe it is 🤔

Well I only noticed it when I was cooking some team for my Union mate, and I found it weird they were not exactly 2 RL

So I then compared it to my Vesti and my no CS Biscuit

[lusty gull]

yeah in your case, i expected tvesti third shot hit before or at same time as biscuit

it's why i think i will change that burst gen value

[unreal current]

thank you

[lunar pawn]

[unreal current]

should i replace siren for rrh tho for the 18k cp

[tropic summit]

make the choice based on whether you get gapped or not, if you don't get gapped, 100% better to keep siren for the stun threat

also leave siren in p2 to mitigate enemy using noah against that

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit I guess we're using SG team against t1

[tropic summit]

keep in mind it may not be consistent, looks like blanc delay made them miss the indom cast window

B2 activated but didn't land in time

other two teams went as expected at least, should remain consistent

[arctic jewel]

Rip, good to know, I just used SG because why waste a game you know

Even when I wasn't trying to win

[tropic summit]

ye a good choice it even won so, good job

[versed mesa]

Okay this is now scary. I've been C1 for almost the entire season so far. One of the gemmers hasn't gemmed (yet) and their 4 free tickets haven't been enough to break my new defenses

[arctic jewel]

Whenever I've built more of my Nikkes, I should probably give you an updated Nikke list

[versed mesa]

I might have actually cooked this time

[arctic jewel]

... I should probably start building my Rosanna... even when I don't really want to...

[tropic summit]

she's almost done isn't she

40% atk, 20-40%ele, SR5-SR15, 7/10/10

[arctic jewel]

Ech... she does does have the right stats... but a lot of the gear has only 2 stats... and at weird slots, so it's probably gonna take mote time than expected

The doll and the skills are fine

I also want to test Rei lmao

[tropic summit]

eh she's way more situational than scarlet

you're not losing out on much if you don't have her built

[torn obsidian]

@covert lintel @raven plover same group and he copied my comps and countered my team order just right, amazing game

[raven plover]

damn he gonna win this season then

[arctic jewel]

Since she has a decoy, I just want to confuse my opponents (if that's possible)

You know what

Maybe I should send my Nikke list regardless, and see if I can improve my SP Arena defense

[lone sequoia]

working as intended, you have to spend more money...SU logic

[lone sequoia]

sometimes you don't want to show new teams if that makes your bracket harder, they will learn or copy your teams

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/first-time-meme

[arctic jewel]

Ugh... that's true...

I guess I just gotta learn how to make teams that burn my opponents resources

[lone sequoia]

if you have the cp advantage you can just use what you want

[arctic jewel]

Which is pretty hard though, making a team requires knowledge, but making 3 different teams that probably has similar counters is even harder

[lone sequoia]

the easiest answer is cs check+ nuke

the problem is label for scar teams

because you will need at least 2 good nuke units that need noah in the team and have the speed to reduce the units they can use

[arctic jewel]

Hmmm... do you have an example of this? Would make it easier to understand

[lone sequoia]

one of the easiest is 2RL nayuta, if you have the cs in the burst gen units you can b1~b2 before enemy b2 or b3

other units need more damage instead of cs, like if you use jackal b1+ blanc b2+ vesti b3, can your blanc vesti nuke kill p3~p5? if she kill those position the enemy will have to check cs a lot in case both use indom

another simple way to improve teams is to check the team core, speed then counters and you select the flex unit that give problems for some counters

that is more about elements, SG have their own position in some DEF teams

[arctic jewel]

A lot to take in, but I definitely got the most of this, thanks!

[onyx scaffold]

wtf im group 33 AGAIN noooooooooooooooo

[lunar pawn]

how far will I get in CA without using blanc or SG team

find out in the next episode of nikke ball

[lone sequoia]

there is also one about team building like if you target a specific unit and build teams that are good but weaker against that unit, example teams that are weak against blanc or indom team is the easiest answer to someone who doesn't know about pvp... probably like another indom comp+ moran/noah/priv/shwa+ something like DR or stall or vesti

[tropic summit]

the 4th guy is champ material

[hollow lagoon]

unlike me who has bricked phase 2 centi ye

[tropic summit]

not gonna ask why you made that decision, the last person who willingly made that decision now calls himself @swift mango

[hollow lagoon]

yeah but

blood aint your sister no more

so i gott become your new sister

[tropic summit]

times change

[arctic jewel]

I've noticed that my server has trends, like they discovered that Siren can stun, then they discovered that Noah shields, now they've started to understand how indom works, so they love using Blanc for everything

[tropic summit]

deficit, put someone who has higher CP than lib in there, keep scarlet linked

you need 1809kCP

[hollow lagoon]

kekw

[tropic summit]

wait till they discover absolute, slow cindy and nayuta 2RL

[arctic jewel]

They're getting there, my slow Cindy team doesn't work anymore, although no one is using that kind of team

[lone sequoia]

nayuta/vesti/sg

+rosanna

[arctic jewel]

I'm currently using a SG team in CA that has a very weak Noir in p1, Nayuta in p2, Rosanna in p5, I'm surprised how well that team does

[arctic jewel]

What kind of teams counter Absolute?

[tropic summit]

anything that keeps your p1 p2 p3 from dying

[lone sequoia]

everything that can't tank p1~p2

[tropic summit]

absolute main objective is to delete half your team within 2RL

[arctic jewel]

Oops, sorry, I meant what teams DO counter Absolute? XD

[tropic summit]

if they fail to do that, they're glass cannon waiting to be deleted themselves

[lone sequoia]

everything that can tank p1~p2

it is the same thing...

[arctic jewel]

... that easy huh?... now I feel dumb xD

[tropic summit]

ye it's that easy, but due to how CA meta is, that team counters a lot of the usual archetypes

since absolute can also kill links

[gaunt pulsar]

sg on def, depending on invest on both sides can delete vesti before vesti able to do any real dmg

[lone sequoia]

normal vesti can win if cs

at some point you will have to check OL for those trades

[tropic summit]

if nayuta p2, vestiTU cannot reach p5 and will reach p4 only afterward
rosanna will 1hitko vestiTU together with nayuta

since SG team benefits from units dying

at that point nayuta can solo even if only your p5 is alive

[lone sequoia]

absolute against vesti

[arctic jewel]

Good thing that I've started slowly upgrading Emma and Eunhwa, pffft, although only with Advises 🤣 🤣 🤣

[tropic summit]

from what i saw they don't rly need high invest, as the core is just their passives combined

vestiTU needs the invest though

then you slap OG mast and a rosanna/nayuta/splasher as you see fit

[arctic jewel]

Well, yeah, since she's the one doing damage

[covert lintel]

Also i'm in group 12, a neighbor

If i win against group 11 i'll meet him

[arctic jewel]

I mean... my server is full of idiots, except @hoary hill ofc, I'm open to try Absolute

[strong hull]

[arctic jewel]

Or student Rei like I said earlier

[tropic summit]

[tidal lichen]

[strong hull]

Black Legend jong kui

[lavish lintel]

What team can beat this

[tropic summit]

swha blanc rh centi jackal

conditions:

• SWHA and RH linked, SWHA lower HP than RH and jackal
• you've at least 1352k CP

[lavish lintel]

what is swha

[tropic summit]

snow white heavy arms

[lunar pawn]

swol white

[lavish lintel]

owkey... I organized them in the order you written

I can beat that tema using what I have there but I have no clue what they were using to beat my defense team lol

[tropic summit]

run that team in shooting range, check RH and jackal have higher HP than SWHA

[cedar sorrel]

@tropic summit run it?

[tropic summit]

T3 is off, you want to burst with helmT

[cedar sorrel]

Okay

[tropic summit]

as for CP you're barely in range

[cedar sorrel]

Yea so no deficit then right

[tropic summit]

yeah...

[cedar sorrel]

Are u unsure?

[lavish lintel]

uhh how do I check the hp thing

[tropic summit]

shooting range

[lavish lintel]

oh

[tropic summit]

T3 is a bit iffy but worth a shot

they've no proper B1 buffer to destroy bay cover too quickly i guess

[tropic summit]

your jackal and RH both have lower HP than SWHA, it won't work

[cedar sorrel]

What could I run to make it more consistent? I only really have lib and trina left as good pvp units but cp will be an issue then

[lavish lintel]

so I gotta get Snow to have less hp?

[tropic summit]

you'd need noah, the next option is an indom or a nayuta 2RL

just stick with bay and pray for the best

[tropic summit]

to run indom your indom unit needs to have lower HP than the linked unit and jackal

[lavish lintel]

so fatten up Jackal and get Swha less

[tropic summit]

@lavish lintel example of an SBS indom

helmt is the linked unit and higher HP than SBS
jackal is higher HP than SBS
SBS is lowest HP in link

[cedar sorrel]

I think this is the best 2rl nayu I can produce

[lavish lintel]

Woah..

[tropic summit]

you can't run a feed unit against scarlet

(liter)

[cedar sorrel]

Scarlet gets fed too?

[tropic summit]

scarlet will procc s2 against liter and you risk she dies pre 2RL B1

[lavish lintel]

..wait Ijus realised thers no way to change units hp oh nyo

[tropic summit]

just stick with bay and give it a shot, if you can spare a blue doll give bay at least that

[cedar sorrel]

Vigor cube

[tropic summit]

you can, need to remove OL pieces or give vigor cube

[cedar sorrel]

I can do that

[lavish lintel]

Ok lets check again..

[tropic summit]

@lavish lintel try removing legs from SWHA and giving vigor to RH and jackal, then check again in shooting range

[lavish lintel]

cant remove any of the OL gear

[tropic summit]

ye then only vigor can help you here

[cedar sorrel]

Shes now r15 and cp is 262809

[tropic summit]

unless jackal and RH aren't maxed yet

[lavish lintel]

also I jus realised Shooting Gallery uses the normal cube mode and not arena mode lol

There we go

[tropic summit]

how's RH HP now?

[lavish lintel]

still the same

[tropic summit]

you need both jackal and the linked unit HP to be higher than SWHA

jackal is fine now, fix the linked unit HP

[lavish lintel]

mkay Ill put vigor on RH too then

[cedar sorrel]

T2 lost t3 won

Im out of daily attempt btw

[lavish lintel]

ok done

[tropic summit]

gonna need to invert archetypes, noah biscuit vestiTU flex flex 2RL or 3RL, other team keep it 2RL with noise jackal helmt bay flex

as you're too slow to pop biscuit stack on p5

[cedar sorrel]

I dont have noah

[tropic summit]

[coarse lake]

[lavish lintel]

now to pray and hope it works

[tropic summit]

ye looks good, give it a shot

swha blanc rh centi jackal

with those cubes equipped

[cedar sorrel]

My def isnt being broken much so its fine for now I gueee

[spiral onyx]

Use Vigor and Tempering cube to manipulate HPs

[lunar pawn]

manipulate hp
how to feel like a GM

[spiral onyx]

Tempering is more eHP but only if you're being hit

[lunar pawn]

we got that

[cedar sorrel]

Nah

[tropic summit]

@cedar sorrel run slower indom and keep T2 unchanged you gonna need to deal with other team then

ein is flexable slower DPS B3, ada is flexable linked unit that is not stealing your indom, rest you already know how it works

you can drop to 2.5RL or 3RL, i suggest using any of these to win slower indom:

• s.anis
• ein
• RRH

[cedar sorrel]

Noise is a type Im assuming

Typo* lol

[tropic summit]

noise is flexable mag RL

[cedar sorrel]

U said the teams unchanged right

[tropic summit]

you're not new to this...

[cedar sorrel]

Either you made a typo or what ur saying is wrong

[tropic summit]

it's not a typo, i'm expecting you to know what a mag RL is and what a flex is

you've been doing this for weeks if not months

[cedar sorrel]

Why are u saying the team is unchanged and then the team is changed

I dont get ur directions at the moment

[tropic summit]

you see ada is used as flex in the other team? it assumes you rotate the flex

i'm expecting you to use your brain and move flex around

you CAN keep as is just use a different flex

[lunar pawn]

what if I don't have a brain

[tropic summit]

now say you wanna drop that team slower, you use a mag RL over a clip RL tier burst gen

archetype in 2RL bay remains unchanged
archetype in 3RL slower indom is on slower side with added ada offburst buffing

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/taiho-shichau-zo-teehee

[lunar pawn]

[cedar sorrel]

I understood that u said that ein and ada are replaceable in their own ways and you mentioned potential replacements too.

Saying the winning team that was made stays "unchanged" and then was changed with no mention ab it was a bit weird and that's why I asked what was up. No need to get so defensive ab it tbh.

Regardless I apprecuate ur help anyways ✌️

[tropic summit]

it's not defensive, you're not a newbie, i'm expecting you to level up and be more independant to realize these things on your own

[lunar pawn]

do we know what groups match with what groups in top 64? or random?

[cedar sorrel]

You changed the unchanged team was that a mistake

"Its obv a flex youre not new to this use your brain"

All good tho bro

[tropic summit]

it's not changed, it's literally 2RL bay archetype

there are flex units there that don't change how the team works at all

that's where i meant to use your brain

because if you think the team changed, you're not using ur brain

@cedar sorrel explanation is right here if you missed it

[cedar sorrel]

Ada buffs the b3 I wasnt sure if ada was the reason the team won b4 or not and u ended up replacing her with no mention of it.

Obv replacing clip sgs and clip rls is gonna stay similar cuz theyre just their for burst gen but ada gives significant buffs

There*

[tropic summit]

nah ada is irrelevant just extra value due to passive offburst, the core of that team is having helmT snipe scarlet after bay ensures you tank the nuke

the fact you understood this is a good thing tho, you DID use your brain

now do the next step and fix the slower indom team with what we said

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah and I'm not aware of this. It is the first time Ive ever used bay at all lol I just levelled up her doll and skills so Id rather be sure ab these things before changing archetypes I havent toyed around with.

You have in the past made your typos too which is fine but I was just checking in and asking so I don't really think the response was warranted

[tropic summit]

it's not typos, it's how i find out if you guys know what a flex unit is or not

i'm expecting people to learn and grow

[cedar sorrel]

In the end tho like I said earlier I appreciate ur help regardless but I'm not like the regulars here most of the things Ive learned is just information you (and some others) have told me

[tropic summit]

the best way to find that out is to make you realize if there's something odd

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah and I saw something odd and pointed it out lol. Ada and noise beyond their burst gen have pretty notable kits compared to like rumani vs centi. I wasnt aware they were being swapped purely for burst gen reasons since I know noise/ada are used for reasons beyond that

[tropic summit]

ye but this is burst gen we talkin' about, this is something you learned loooong ago
either way there's nothing wrong with asking questions on stuff you don't understand

[cedar sorrel]

We werent talking ab anything tho. The noise was added with no explanation. The others u did clearly explain. The expectation I knew the purpose behind that whilst its literally the first time running a bay archetype and then telling me to use my brain cuz I wanted clarification as to what was happening was just unnecessary

Like I just levelled her doll up she has never seen the light of day

[tropic summit]

you're noahless, bay is your saviour

the only thing next to noah that can somewat mitigate nukes

in scarlet case, actually counts as direct counter

you'll want to keep her around for these cases, because being noahless is a huge weight you gonna need to carry

you could deal with enemy liberalio team with moran bay biscuit archetype

either way try the slower indom approach first, if that also fails then you could consider that

[cedar sorrel]

Ill have to see at daily reset where Im at maybe my def gets broken anyway and I wont be able to fight ch6

Is bay then a higher priority than moran?

[tropic summit]

moranT has more priority regardless, bayT is kind of an optional choice

in your case though, since you're noahless, i think she'll help you a lot

i'd still finish moran and only after consider bayT

bay non treasured can still serve her purpose

it's just that you'll always need to be wary of her cover not being blew up

[cedar sorrel]

Okay Im pretty close to getting moran treasured now 2 weeks or so

What is the biggest diff between bay and bayT?

[tropic summit]

bayT can be used in p1 or p2 because her loss of cover pre burst is mitigated
bay non treasured generally wants to avoid p2 and p3 against vestiTU/emilia, so you'll always need to use her in p4 or p5 most of the time

for example in this matchup against scarlet if you used her p1 or p2 and she'd lose her cover, scarlet nuke would be lethal

bay cover is what is denying scarlet nuke entire damage output

[lunar pawn]

how much is tvesti's final dmg actually boosted from running full absolute with her?

on normal attacks

mm should be about the same buff she gets during her own burst, if not more

except the obvious 1.5x multiplier

[cedar sorrel]

So the "proportionally shares dmg taken" that bay provides makes the nuke hit everyones cover instead so thats why everyone lives but if bays cover gets broken then she cannot attempt to share the dmg because she just dies?

[tropic summit]

the cover prevents overflow damage from getting past
essentially if she had even just 1% cover left, the nuke would kill the cover, but stops there

once the cover is broken, she starts sharing damage and your team is again exposed to overflow damage

[cedar sorrel]

Does cover always work this way or does bay make cover work this way?

[tropic summit]

just in bay case

and due to her kit nature

[cedar sorrel]

Hmm. Thats very solid isnt it

[tropic summit]

that's why she can be considered a second option to noah

[arctic jewel]

Who's beneath Label and Maid Anchor?

[cedar sorrel]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/tier-list

[tropic summit]

in the tierlist you mean? soline and nero

[arctic jewel]

Ugh... I'm honestly thinking of resetting Nero

[tropic summit]

or keep her around for CA

some champs are still winning with nero moran in 2026

[cedar sorrel]

Can I get a small explanation on moran and noise too? From what I understand they taunt the enemy and then can tank a ton of dmg?

[tropic summit]

damage reduction and HP increase
noise also has a DoT heal

noise taunts p1 and p2 when she autos (the taunt is on the units hit)
moran has attract taunt

[arctic jewel]

Maybe some other beautiful day, I feel like I need the skill resources for someone else

[cedar sorrel]

So theyre useful vs single hit units but less so vs stuff like wipes?

[tropic summit]

nah they're in fact the only units that can give you nuke resistance

[arctic jewel]

Was that team 2RL or 2.5RL?

[tropic summit]

noise will give you DR and HP increase, especially useful on instant nukers like scarlet @cedar sorrel

having a moran or noise on B1 on a 2.5RL team can let you survive single buff scarlet for example

as B1 on 2.5RL will be already cast before opponent 2RL casts B3

[tropic summit]

nowdays you can make nero moran 2RL, but in general it is 2.5RL

[cedar sorrel]

The 10% dmg reduction is that notable?

[tropic summit]

yes, it can prevent a wipe

[cedar sorrel]

Damn

[tropic summit]

stacking DR is particularly effective on real tanks like nero and moran

an helmT on moran buff for example can survive single buff scarlet unless scarlet is heavy on ele atk%

[cedar sorrel]

Oh damn moran gives insane buffs on b1 yeah

[arctic jewel]

I don't know what you think, but I feel like the Nikkes that support Nero have better things to do in general, like being in other teams

[cedar sorrel]

Damage taken 35% caster def 15% + she taunts enemies

[arctic jewel]

@cedar sorrel and also heal due to Helm's burst

[cedar sorrel]

Okay okay damn

Im guessing noise needs pretty high skill investments?

[tidal lichen]

it's not just 10%

[tropic summit]

ye she's one of the few units that can benefit from 10/10/10

[tidal lichen]

it stacks additively with doll dr and tempering dr

[tropic summit]

ye it's a choice you've to make, consolidate some units for nero moran or spread them out for other viable teams

[arctic jewel]

If we get more support options for Nero, then hell yeah, but I feel like I want to use other teams atm

[cedar sorrel]

But noise doesnt share the dmg ur allies take right?

So even if noise has DR from doll ur team will still take the regular dmg?

[arctic jewel]

Not like how Jackal does no

[tidal lichen]

you should be dolling main units too

noise is often used with cindy

who should have an sr15 anyways

[cedar sorrel]

Okay sure but u said the DR stacks

But then it only stacks for noise not all her allies right

[cedar sorrel]

And whats a good breakpoint b4 that just 777?

[tropic summit]

7/7/10 if you wanna min/max

7/7/7 would still perform fine probably

i had noise sitting on 4/4/7 for a long time

[cedar sorrel]

Okay okay thats good to know how about bay her skills?

[tropic summit]

for all it matters you can leave her on 4/4/4 or 7/4/4

[tidal lichen]

stacks as in stacks additively with other sources

[cedar sorrel]

Ooooh okay so u can do like moran + noise and then get even more DR

[tidal lichen]

yea smth like that

[cedar sorrel]

Oh thats cheap nice

[tidal lichen]

nero can achieve 100% dr

[arctic jewel]

👀

[tidal lichen]

watch her tank that massive nuke like a champ.

[cedar sorrel]

Nero's fit is absurd but she doesnt really get much screentime

[tropic summit]

rip lib

[cedar sorrel]

Why did helmt and nero live but the others die?

[tidal lichen]

i have no clue how helm survived.

[tropic summit]

C7, SR15, tempering

[tidal lichen]

nero doesnt make everyone have 100% dr

[tidal lichen]

also the dr from nero ig

[tropic summit]

she's also on lifesteal so she procced nero on herself

[tropic summit]

yep

[cedar sorrel]

That seems intentional then cuz manchor buffs hp gain too right

[tidal lichen]

i had nothing else to put there so i put manchor.

ca sucks

[cedar sorrel]

Ooh epic filler

If I understand it correctly I can replace manchor with bay then right or does she fit better on the other teams?

[tropic summit]

untreasured bay in p2 is a no go

you need to slot her in p4

[shell hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[tropic summit]

also combo her with biscuit if possible

[cedar sorrel]

So then moran tvesti lib bay centi?

[cedar sorrel]

I have biscuit but both her and bay arent super high CP

[tropic summit]

too slow, needs to be at least 2.5RL

the other demerit of bay over noah is that she's mag RL and not clip RL tier

[cedar sorrel]

Wtf noah is clip rl too

[tropic summit]

ye that's how broken that unit is

[cedar sorrel]

Thats absurd 😭

[tropic summit]

anti nuke, clip RL, taunt, defender... all in 1 package

[cedar sorrel]

MaybeI can run

Tvesti indom t1 instead then have swha for burst gen t3

And have lib burst?

[tropic summit]

lib main B3 has very little threat and enables enemy team to be 1RL slower with ease

[cedar sorrel]

Same for swha?

[tropic summit]

SWHA has higher threat than lib due to her DPS and indom

reasonably you can vestiTU indom and SWHA stall though

[tropic summit]

stuff like this @cedar sorrel

the units with red lines are flexable

in the indom team try to keep p2 and p5 linked, p3 should be unlinked

[cedar sorrel]

Indom at 3rl is fine?

[tropic summit]

as for the other team, p2 can be any B1, avoid stealing B2 and B3 from SWHA and Bay though

[tropic summit]

except it's not 3RL

[cedar sorrel]

Jackal feed?

[tropic summit]

you get minimun feed of 6% which automatically makes you 2.5RL by default, even just 1AR in the meantime will promote you to 2RL

[cedar sorrel]

Damn so any jackal team can be at 3rl to be a free 2.5rl?

[tropic summit]

depends on the % you need

if you need 10%+ feed for example to 2.5RL, then you're likely gonna be 3RL

[cedar sorrel]

2rl 94% would be the lowest then I guess

[tropic summit]

ye it's recommended to have 94% or 97% to 2RL if you wanna ensure 2RL indom

keep in mind that if you hit burst with vestiTU you'll be 2.2RLish instead of natural, but that most of the time doesn't matter because you'll still hit blanc B2 in time

it's one of the few reasons why jackal vestiTU xmaiden blanc ada works to begin with

[shell hazel]

rail I need some of that pizza

how long to ship from Italy?

[tropic summit]

look at this abomination

sushi pizza

[shell hazel]

I said pizza not abomination lol

[tropic summit]

probably won't arrive fresh

[shell hazel]

[lunar pawn]

Gonna show this to my Italian friend

[cedar sorrel]

Bay u want to burst tho right?

[arctic jewel]

I know they will say something like "this is not a pizza" and lose hope for humanity

[shell hazel]

they will be confused

if there was pineapple atop it that would make a pizza

[tropic summit]

he's gonna

[cedar sorrel]

I mean its a pizza only in shape nothing ab it is pizza beyond that lol

[tropic summit]

ye she has to be main B2

[cedar sorrel]

Oof that makes it tricky then

[tropic summit]

[cedar sorrel]

I have this now but my 3rd team dropped 13k in CP which idk if thats worth it

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/quby-ban-unban-sad-cry-gif-19833433

[tropic summit]

ye you can get gapped by 270kCP teams, not gud

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah the cp deficit becomes a bit too easy then

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel time to binge watch frieren s2

all 10 eps are out 🍿

i know what to do this evening

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/hamburger-frieren-elf-anime-eating-gif-3698269199209320586

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/burger-eating-16

[shell hazel]

I finished sentenced to be a hero

[cedar sorrel]

If u pair bay with biscuit can u put bay p1-3 then?

[shell hazel]

that last episode was a good finale indeed

lots of plot developments

[arctic jewel]

Mario Galaxy movie has been canceled

Due to unfortunate events about pizzas

[tropic summit]

her cover still needs to be up when enemy nuke happens, so untreasured no

this is half decent if you wanna run it

you can run lib main B3 for nuke pressure (may force a noah out) and keep SWHA as DPS if lib nuke is soaked

doubles as pseudo stall, albeit on weaker side

keep in mind the above is sensible to vestiTU though, as you're forced to put lib in p2 or p3 if you running with SWHA and want to prevent bay cover from breaking early

may work on less skilled opponents if anything

[cedar sorrel]

So then are OG t1 and 2 better or worse than the new t1 and 2?

The new setup still has the indom at 2.5rl cuz its 97% and it has the 2nd team at 2.5rl

So that seems better I think

[tropic summit]

CP is too low on both imo

maybe make 2 strong teams and a CP pad until you've more invested core units

regardless, opponents will have an easy time until you can slot a noah

[cedar sorrel]

My CP pad are just my good pvp units tho beyond like rrh

[shell hazel]

cp pad should be nayuta + core pve units prob, speed doesn't matter

then you have 2 proper pvp teams

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

there he is

[shell hazel]

[shell hazel]

so nayuta + rh + rapi etc

[swift mango]

Even the discord wants me to quit.

[cedar sorrel]

The cp wont even be that high if I do that

[shell hazel]

it's broken

it doesn't matter it lets you focus the better built pvp stuff to the other 2 teams without sacrificing too much cp

[tropic summit]

you can easily benchmark the CP minimun you need per team by taking your campaign team and multiply it's cp for 0.846

[shell hazel]

I always forget the discord sign-in thing :p

[tropic summit]

that value you get is gonna be your minimun CP need per team to ensure you don't get gapped

try to get that value on at least 2 teams that are also running meta units, the other team pad it out

[cedar sorrel]

Around 245k then

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

[cedar sorrel]

Is this better then?

[shell hazel]

yeah I think so

[tidal lichen]

whats your arenas avg sync

[versed mesa]

If my Ada wasn't so low cp I could use her in my Jackal indom

[tidal lichen]

your sync kinda looks low considering you have ada

[shell hazel]

I'd put Ada to P5 and centi to P4 though

[swift mango]

🧱

[tidal lichen]

[tropic summit]

CP wise ye

[cedar sorrel]

In top 10 around 250 to 270 below top 10 around 240

[tropic summit]

teams aren't particularly bad or good, but it's probably the best you can dish out

[versed mesa]

🧱 is a state of mind.

[cedar sorrel]

Better than what I had b4?

[tidal lichen]

270 still doable.

[tropic summit]

ye in fact you gained pseudo nuke immunity in one team over previous nuke resistance

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/brick-by-brick-gif-11895201320599332266

[cedar sorrel]

Wdym

[tidal lichen]

not that far

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-nikke-紅蓮-홍련-gif-5040680170440666403

[tidal lichen]

so youre not THAT bricked.

[cedar sorrel]

I mean idk why Id be bricked I play dailies every day

[tropic summit]

my doro

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/doro-2

[cedar sorrel]

I push campaign to 45% deficit

[versed mesa]

Synchro level doesn't really matter, if you have super beefed cp from gear and cores.

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/steal-doro-gif-1027805425862452031

[cedar sorrel]

Idk what else Im supposed to do atp lol

Just pop all my cases?

[shell hazel]

as f2p it's tough just keep going

[tidal lichen]

234 is chill if youre holding cases

[tropic summit]

hippo who's also f2p is saying this so must be relatable

[tidal lichen]

dont pop

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/mihoyo-genshin-genshinimpact-npc-what-gif-22457871

[versed mesa]

There is someone in my bracket over 670, but cp on his teams is really low, probably has no, or very basic overload on gear

[tropic summit]

bro is just saving for nikke 3.0

[cedar sorrel]

Ig this means everyone in my top 10 bracket has just popped all their cases?

[placid bloom]

no reason not to at that sync

you aren't saving for campaign expansion if you are 10 chapters behind

[cedar sorrel]

Why not? I thought u only pop when stuck to get unstuck

[versed mesa]

I almost never hoarded my boxes to wait for outpost upgrades. Could probably be 30-40 synchro higher now if I did

[placid bloom]

you spend just enough to not be stuck

but like there's no reason to hoard that many levels worth

[cedar sorrel]

Im not stuck

Ur point is contradicting itself

[versed mesa]

I've been clearing both normal and hard campaign day one for 2 updates in a row now.

[placid bloom]

you're always stuck unless you full cleared normal, which you haven't at that sync

or you are lazy

[cedar sorrel]

I mean Im not constantly playing the game

[placid bloom]

and you can push but don't

[shell hazel]

that is one logic yes, go get stuck

[placid bloom]

and if you are not pushing you are falling behind regardless of your box strat

[cedar sorrel]

Itd be optimal to use levels when ur stuck to then push to then get stuck and push again right but at some point u also dont play the game

[tropic summit]

i only play the game every 3 months lately

[shell hazel]

i'm in ziz waiting room

[tropic summit]

but that's after you're around 350-400 synchro iirc

[placid bloom]

yes you stop playing when you are stuck or you full cleared, which you are not either of

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-s-waiting-room-severance-praise-kier-lumon-gif-12539063934935520436

[cedar sorrel]

So then what do u want me to do a 28h campaign sessions

[placid bloom]

which means you are already behind

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[placid bloom]

I mean you don't have to play the game

but you also don't have to try hard PvP either then

because the people in challenger are not gonna wait for you

[swift mango]

Open boxes before you break wall. And stuck there long time.

Not buying event retries.

Hiatus for awhile from creating account.

= 🧱

[tropic summit]

min/maxing for optimal case usage and thus optimal synchro requires you to regularly push on deficit

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/cartman-now-we-can-finally-play-the-game-gif-26486523

[tropic summit]

you can start hoarding cases when you already know you won't get past a stage boss on HM

[placid bloom]

if you want to sit in a casual diamond rank then it's fine to play at your own pace

challenger filters out those people

[cedar sorrel]

I only pop when stuck I only didnt buy event tries in my first event ever cuz I didnt know that was a thing and I play every day

[placid bloom]

whether you like that or not

[tropic summit]

there are also some milestones you wanna hit asap in terms of outpost income

[cedar sorrel]

Yea I push at 40+ defi

[tropic summit]

iirc it was behemoth HM?

or was it MC HM?

[cedar sorrel]

I know at outpost 597 or soemthing u get like hella CD rate for no reason

[shell hazel]

that is good but if you not stuck you been slacking a bit 😄

[tropic summit]

ye one of those

[placid bloom]

you have like 20 levels worth of core dust boxes, that's not just a few days of slacking let's be real

[swift mango]

Link your Gmail account but not playing asap, later on start an account and play

Also = 🧱

[shell hazel]

40+ deficit is legit but you got enough crates to sync 20+ sync so you probably not pushed as hard as you could

[tropic summit]

i like how your server alias keeps getting worse everytime i look at it

next thing is gonna be "Nikke & its discord & my sis ask me to quit"

[cedar sorrel]

I was at MC for a while and people.told me I couldnt pass it until I had cindy or ein so I sat there for a while

[shell hazel]

"too many characters"

[versed mesa]

Sis? gets the banjo

[cedar sorrel]

Then I tried it without them and was doinf pretty well and popped cased and was able to pass at 30% defi with no cindy ein

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/disappointment-disappointed-WXb

[cedar sorrel]

So maybe there I lost progress I guess

[tropic summit]

if you look at your ch1-ch10 opponents, how much in terms of average synchro are you behind, assuming you pop'ed your cases now?

cuz if you're within 10-20 synchro levels you're still ok-ish

especially so if against your dolphin/f2p in the bracket

[versed mesa]

47

(still beating him though)

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gigachad-13

[cedar sorrel]

257 vs 270 avg (242 lowest and absurd 284 outlier)

[tropic summit]

doesn't look too bad then, as those on the very top are likely p2p

[cedar sorrel]

I guess Ill push camp again cuz Im slacking

😭

[swift mango]

Doesn't matter much if you keep up with hardmode and don't open boxes until you blue mirror.

[tropic summit]

just aim for the milestones and getting stuck on boss nodes, you can't go wrong then

then you check min clears and if they're f2p/p2p, if you're f2p aim for that same synchro level clear or earlier

[cedar sorrel]

I usually get in the all time lowest clears on my server

[swift mango]

Maybe something wrong with your OL and you CP at 300 equal to other CP at 220

That could cause you to have the lowest clear and still brick

[cedar sorrel]

Tbh my OL is very mid yeah its only good on my rrh and ada

Maybe Im selfbricking by doing MC ai for gloves (moran and bay biscuit etc need glove) instead of just kraken for rocks

[shell hazel]

not really a huge diff same bonus rock chances, unless you can s7 kraken and can't the others

[cedar sorrel]

Hmm I dont think I was s7 kraken

[shell hazel]

bonus rock chances are the same across all AI bosses if you hit same stages

only diff on kraken is rock crates vs gear crates

[versed mesa]

So far I've fully killed Kraken and the harvester. Haven't tried the others in awhile, would only be doing it for the titles though

[cedar sorrel]

So kraken just get u pity for rocks rhats it?

[swift mango]

Selfbrick is spending 50+ rocks for hit rate and DEF or tier 1 lines.

[hollow lagoon]

mirrior container then ultra

are firly not bad

[shell hazel]

right, otherwise bonus rock stuff is the same

[cedar sorrel]

Idk man I feel like I play this game pretty optimally but then Im getting called out for my synch level

[shell hazel]

your main issue is not pushing campaign until you're actually stuck

[cedar sorrel]

Interesting thats good to know

[hollow lagoon]

i get called out for my trash rolls same difference

[tropic summit]

what are we looking at? who wins?

[shell hazel]

if you were stuck you'd sync to next major breakpoint and get unstuck if it makes sense

[versed mesa]

Yeah gotten close on MC, probably would be enough if I got a bit more ele up on my heavy hitters

[cedar sorrel]

So u never sit at a level then

[tropic summit]

zant why are your OLs so sh*t

[shell hazel]

I do until I think I can beat it

[hollow lagoon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/blackish-anthony-anderson-dre-johnson-d2lcHJTG5Tscg

[shell hazel]

I need 561 for ziz hard mode (chap 40)

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-anime86

[cedar sorrel]

Thats why I sat for a while at CC and MC cuz I thought they werent really gonna be possible for me

[hollow lagoon]

if that's arcana she gets free pass to whip me sure

[tropic summit]

[cedar sorrel]

But now tbh Im at a random volleyball stage yeah so I should prob just.hop on and lock in

[shell hazel]

before you hit end of normal mode you can also progress hard mode don't forget, there is extra value there

[tropic summit]

ah the fun times with volleyballs

[shell hazel]

everyone loves volleyballs

[versed mesa]

Any stage with volleyballs, I just slot in SBS. Boom stage clear

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah Im stuck there too

So prob I should pop cases but

[shell hazel]

but if you synced to next major breakpoint you may not be is my point

[swift mango]

There is a problem somewhere if you are synch 237 after 5-6 months of play.

[cedar sorrel]

Is it this

[shell hazel]

if syncing to 241 beats 2 more hard mode chapters is kind of worth

[cedar sorrel]

So you can use cases pretty willy nilly then

[shell hazel]

you incrementally gain more passive income from outpost and wipeouts + other crates get better

the reason to save is when you hit end of normal mode

because for me 2 new normal mode chapters is easily clearable

[hollow lagoon]

i used to wait for blue stages on normal but i push hard on red then i ran out of normal stages and here we are

[shell hazel]

I pushed 30-40% deficit on normal always

[versed mesa]

Start running out of hardmode stages = profit?

[hollow lagoon]

well now i also ran out of hard stages

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-michael-scott-dunder-mifflin-the-office-welcome-aboard-gif-27005393

[shell hazel]

I didn't reach that yet

[hollow lagoon]

so now i play hard stage on other people account

[cedar sorrel]

Okay so if I get stuck at all u just pop cases? I always tried to save cases for bosses honestly

[shell hazel]

there isn't a massive reason to save if normal uncleared like I said though, but you should actually be stuck

[tropic summit]

you finished the game

[shell hazel]

only makes more sense if normal is cleared

[tropic summit]

now @hollow lagoon can play new game +

[hollow lagoon]

ill finish the game when the queen is ded and i retire to my harem

[shell hazel]

prestige time

[cedar sorrel]

Okay Ill do that from now on then

[tropic summit]

~~oh god don't remind me ~~

[hollow lagoon]

also u kinda sorta need to play good

[shell hazel]

still push until you can't. then crate

[versed mesa]

When I was still getting stuck, I only opened boxes gradually, seeing how much further I get with every few extra levels

[shell hazel]

even without normal cleared, more push= good

[swift mango]

Idk what you are talking about.

Ada is September to October last year. If you got her you played 5-6 months.

I was 200 2-3 months in. And I bricked 1 day from account creation and 2-3 event retries.

No way, 237 at 5-6 months in and only missed 1 event make sense.

[versed mesa]

I would not just use everything right away

[hollow lagoon]

btw what @shell hazel means by pushing untill you can't dosnt mean push till u fail a stage
it means u fail the stage with 5 different strat 5 times each

[shell hazel]

yes not 1st time fail 😛

[hollow lagoon]

then u can maybe calll it failed

[shell hazel]

but I hope that is obvious

[tropic summit]

only 5?

[shell hazel]

stuck = tried a bunch can't beat it

[hollow lagoon]

5x5 is 25 pertty solid

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah I mean Im used to hard deficit pushing Ive had to restart stages countless times to get clears

[cedar sorrel]

Okay bro thanks for informing me

[hollow lagoon]

its ok i was stuck on 1 stage for 7 hours

after 7 hours of retrying i passed it

so it is

[shell hazel]

numerous wall stages for me too

[versed mesa]

Getting stuck on non-boss stages always made me mad

[shell hazel]

some non-boss stages harder than the boss tbh

[hollow lagoon]

I recall that one big nasty one like 5 stages before gluttony

[tropic summit]

depends on the stage, those x3 x2 x3 farter spawns were wild

[teal ledge]

Anybody else using Trina to buff Moran or am I wasting her? What you think @hollow lagoon @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

@cedar sorrel

[shell hazel]

38-32 @hollow lagoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5HGAPX0FqM

[cedar sorrel]

Milestones?

[tropic summit]

if moran anchorIM helmT trina Ada then it's fine

[hollow lagoon]

Valid Strat

[hollow lagoon]

[versed mesa]

The worst were the ones where the enemies spawn and start charging their 1 shot abilities before you even get control

[tropic summit]

outpost reward milestones, the CD/hr we were talkin' about earlier

[versed mesa]

Or probably not one shot normally, but when in deficit

[hollow lagoon]

Now I have Centi treasure for that

[cedar sorrel]

How can I know when a CD milestone is in reach?

[tropic summit]

every stage and campaign stage have a minimun CP and Synchro clear, you can ask for those in #questions

[shell hazel]

there is a list but it's roughly every full chapter

[teal ledge]

I’m using Moran, Trina,helm , LaplaceT, centi. Should I change it up? My maid anchor isn’t leveled yet but getting there

[shell hazel]

+1 cd/hour

[cedar sorrel]

So if I pop cases and dont clear a chapter I bricked

[shell hazel]

until you get to the big jump to 102 cd/hour

[versed mesa]

Main rival probably trying to snipe again, will log in to see if he hits too early so if I can still counter.

[tropic summit]

what was the reasoning for treasuring her anyway? except sanity loss

[shell hazel]

well yes and no imo

[forest zodiac]

hey, double biscuit and liberalio, pls fix?

[tropic summit]

min/maxing wise you wasted a bit of potential extra income on credits and BD

[hollow lagoon]

Speeding opponent up in slow Cindy

[placid bloom]

there is a outpost level cd/h chart in the guide section, look at your outpost level and see if the next one is realistic or not

[shell hazel]

no point to massively save cases when you hard stuck and normal not cleared

[swift mango]

Check your stuff.

• The day you started playing daily is not the same day your account created in Blabla.

• You don't upgrade academy asap. Especially before opening boxes that's not credit.

• You don't push campaign Normal/hard asap.

• Doesn't clear the puzzle mode asap early on. Doesn't push or clear tower at all early on. This come back to lacking Credit to upgrade academy before you open boxes.

• You opened box before your push campaign or before you broke wall.

• You just have a big stack of boxes saved.

• don't actually buy event retries

• hiatus

[shell hazel]

what do you gain by waiting then?

[hollow lagoon]

Also spa wise the Koran will take a bit longer to threaten me anyway

[cedar sorrel]

I think I know why people just pop all their cases atp this seems convoluted

[shell hazel]

the koran? 😮

[hollow lagoon]

Korean

[tropic summit]

it's the archetype, use a non biscuit archetype for T3

e.g. noise jackal flex flex noah

in your case

noise jackal lib helmt noah

[placid bloom]

step 1 - clear without popping box
step 2 - clear again after popping box
you still on step 1, don't skip to step 2

[shell hazel]

just go until you stuck then open some cases incrementally

you're one major cp jump behind where you could be

[teal ledge]

CentiT burst is nuts tho

[tropic summit]

it's just min/maxing, you don't HAVE to do it

[tropic summit]

by optimizing you'll have extra credit/BD that will help you on the longer run

or reach milestones before others for extra synchro levels

[placid bloom]

I mean you can just mald a node, and then level up 1 level at a time until you clear but that requires you to retry the node after every level

most people just do the +20 jump

[hollow lagoon]

@swift mango we is Centi treasure bros now no?

[cedar sorrel]

Oh thats why I did for CC

What* not why

[placid bloom]

but that is the most efficient way yes

also time consuming

[forest zodiac]

noise jackal vestitu helmt noah?

[hollow lagoon]

That’s what my Alturia mald took 7 hours

1 sync every 10 attempts Lel

[cedar sorrel]

And that time used is suboptimal since it xouldve been time spent at a higher outpost level accruing resources

[tropic summit]

i'll defeat you one day

[swift mango]

You could just edit your comment.

[tropic summit]

if it's 2RL that's fine too

[cedar sorrel]

I can do a lot of things

[swift mango]

The * comment is pointless is what I mean

[hollow lagoon]

Maybe I can stay derpier longer if I go full pad

[tropic summit]

[versed mesa]

Yeah, the faster you can push through stages for higher outpost levels the better. Whatever gets you further, be it using boxes or getting better overload stats, you should do it if you can

You lose some resources in the short term, but get more in the future

[cedar sorrel]

It seems like nikke outpost level optimising has tainted your worldview into everything needed to be optimised. Next you'll probably tell me why I use periods and astrophes since they waste time

[hollow lagoon]

Unless u know ur closing in on outpost 533 especially with new chapter

[tropic summit]

he can smell your pants already

[versed mesa]

Until you start clearing new stages day 1, then you can just chill

[placid bloom]

did they say when 45 + 46 releasing again or we don't know yet

[hollow lagoon]

Aren’t u 700+

Half anni

Anni always comes with new chapters

[swift mango]

If you don't want to edit your comment then suit yourself.

[cedar sorrel]

Actually you couldve said
" * nt needed" to speed up the typing process while still being intelligible

[versed mesa]

Yeah why?

[cedar sorrel]

All those extra words were pointless. Youre falling behind