pvp-arena

[lone sequoia]

ask SU why i need to pull 100+ times for 1 ssr

[swift mango]

25 pulls each SSR is average.

So long as you get to this average you are fine

[lone sequoia]

then, i'm not fine

[swift mango]

I mean all of your pulls.

[lone sequoia]

yep

collab/limited/pilgrim, nothing more

the last time i used my social pulls i got only 2 ssr

and i have +27k points right now

[swift mango]

Lower rank guys quickly gave up this time. Now just hit to test teams.

[lone sequoia]

should be something around 5k social points

[swift mango]

When can I get union raid reward again.

[glad meteor]

Ur chips here?

[lone sequoia]

i should have something near those 34k... imagine +500 pulls for 2 ssr

[glad meteor]

I save 100 sp then spend

I feel like singles are scam

[lone sequoia]

still waiting

[lone sequoia]

with molds only

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel oh sh*t

[glad meteor]

ban

[lone sequoia]

i mean, you don't do multi using molds, i think singles are better for those items

[swift mango]

Oh wait, I still short 1000 point after union raid reward distribution....

Shit

[shell hazel]

they do go rest on their own 🙂

[lone sequoia]

cube?

[shell hazel]

I do swap out the odd one here and there though

[swift mango]

For Tempering 15

[lone sequoia]

i hope we get nihilister* alt or treasure... one day

[lone sequoia]

bastion lvl?

[swift mango]

[lone sequoia]

late for tempering lv15

[swift mango]

After tempering 15 is quantum 11.

Then I could rest.

[lone sequoia]

cs cube or assist or reach 100k

[swift mango]

Only quantum I need more than 5 slots

[shell hazel]

you get that at 10 no?

for the 5 slots

my tempering is 11 quantum 8

[swift mango]

Lv8 5 slots. LV10 6 SLOTS. LV11 8.

[shell hazel]

damn 2 more slots :9

from 10 => 11

[swift mango]

13 10
15 12

[shell hazel]

doesn't seem worth pushing for quantum that high

10 or 11 I could maybe grasp

after tempura is 13 say

[swift mango]

My shit team this CA needs 8

[swift mango]

Talking about CA gimme your CA champ's team. Thanks

[shell hazel]

I already replied with them

https://tenor.com/view/sorpresa-gif-17330134416128259640

is this you? ^

[swift mango]

You too if you are online thanks

[swift mango]

I guess you didnt ping me so I never saw it.

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit I sleep for 501

[shell hazel]

bro I replied to you I can't ping you more than a reply 😄

[swift mango]

You could. Maybe add buff to sure.

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message

I literally can't ping you more unless you want me to @ you 5 times?

10 times?

20 times?

[swift mango]

21 times then.

[shell hazel]

50 times?

[swift mango]

Now fling it around and 05

[shell hazel]

that is otherwise as pinged as I can reasonably do and you got a skill issue 😄

[shell hazel]

@oblique gyro this guy is literally dead half the day why you let him sit on 4th? 💀

[lone sequoia]

after lv7 you don't upgrade quantum, more than that is just cp boost like 12k cp to lv15

[shell hazel]

I took it to 8 because I wanted one more slot

[glad rock]

Man, i get stuck for weird reasons.
My vesti cant seem to nuke this wall. Any one cooking against this?

[glad meteor]

PvP gon

[shell hazel]

shooting range main now

[lone sequoia]

that also work, or more lvls for HP stack, you can notice it in CA... if you can play CA

[glad meteor]

Wrong helm but you vesti prob needs buffer

[swift mango]

It's the same logic for every cube.
Aside from slot.

[shell hazel]

2 x CA champ but I feel like Rocky last one was a while back

https://tenor.com/view/sylvester-stallone-rocky-training-montage-push-ups-gif-17971136

[lone sequoia]

yep, 80k HP better than 30k HP

[glad meteor]

A lotta dmg reduction I guess

Moran + bay.burst + noise.s1 + Temper + sr doll, wonder how much that adds up

[shell hazel]

i'm hoping the CA shuffle is a little kinder this time around because I'm in brackets with very tough competition and people who are 1-2000 server levels earlier than me for the last few months

[covert lintel]

Who would upgrade quantum if it's not for slots anyway

[lone sequoia]

now i'm attacking the whales of my rookie at +35%deficit just to test dmg

[shell hazel]

try snow whiting is instead, maybe even with vesti for extra AOE

[lone sequoia]

swha is a really good unit

[glad rock]

My swha is already trapped against the other guys swha

[glad meteor]

Sasuga SP

[lone sequoia]

indom fight?

[glad rock]

I need to clear his other two

[lone sequoia]

i need to get more ele dmg for my rosanna, just in case

[shell hazel]

then focus the 3rd team assuming this is SPA

and ignore the moran comp

[glad rock]

His 3rd team is rng hell

[lone sequoia]

double taunt work

[shell hazel]

soda rng you can kind of work with

[swift mango]

Thanks

[lone sequoia]

wait, soda p4... only 1 in time

[covert lintel]

Whale in my bracket is invested in pvp nikke
If he gets about a 30% deficit, i'll give up

[shell hazel]

I mean if you got even basic label + in cp range what does that team even do anymore?

[glad rock]

Any solution to that p3?

[shell hazel]

label would prevent most possible damage on that team rng stun aside

[glad rock]

I am getting hard walled in that p3 as well

[lone sequoia]

hard to play around 30%deficit, you can still win, but nah...

velvet to the standard pool next week?

[shell hazel]

it's elec b3 just run label into it

[glad rock]

Im rank 2. Just trying to figure out how to solve this puzzle

[shell hazel]

it will just tickle then

[covert lintel]

Yeah
It's a different matter if he uses pve char

[lone sequoia]

many options... but you need to show the actual teams to know what is better

[lone sequoia]

stall or swha... bye bye

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/rockroll-rick-astley-never-gonna-give-you-up-gif-15230423230816281630

[swift mango]

Send me your bracket champ when you had the team.

[glad rock]

Other than scarlet, soda, trina swha and jackal being locked in p2, i can use the others against his p1 and p3

[lone sequoia]

label/siren easy win (?)

[glad rock]

For his p3?

Lemme check if my label is ready

[lone sequoia]

for lib you have 3 strong options, vesti+ something, rosanna for snipe or noah+dps and just play the fight

[glad rock]

Think his lib is cp gapping me 🤔

[lone sequoia]

that is why you show the teams with cp, then x.846 for range

[glad rock]

400k gap

Lemme put a lineup

[north brook]

Why no b2

Guess just cp test

[glad rock]

That cp gap though

[north brook]

Ideally ud run a counter comp rather than mirror on defecit

[swift mango]

Remove Vesti for Noah.

Noise could be any CP pad if you crown high CP, use her.

[swift mango]

Libby counter Bay

[north brook]

Ya mean like noah

As long as other team counterable

[glad rock]

That cp gap though

[shell hazel]

yeah you done find someone else to fight

you're cp gapped more or less you'll not hold this anyway

bare mininum and you won't keep it anyway unless they quit playing

[glad rock]

Yeah. Seems like p3 is the viable route, but soda is messing up my counter

Label isnt ready yet

[swift mango]

Replace Noise with someone higher CP.

[glad rock]

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

you don't have the CP to hold this

cook your own random comps is fine but expecting people to help you to win and hold it is another question and you can't with that cp gap

[glad rock]

Guy usually gives up the moment i break his defence.
Wasnt expecting. Sorry if that came across that way

[swift mango]

Put your 2 highest CP units in Helm+Noise slot

Crown replace Noise should win fine even if some deficit

[shell hazel]

it's fine I won't cook for deficit but I'm sure some people don't mind trying it

just a personal rule of sorts because likely you can't keep it else you would never have to fight them again

and here you are saying they fold if you beat them, but you're having to fight them again all the same 😄

[shell hazel]

you gotta ping him 21 times he said

[glad rock]

Im first and he is 2nd most of the time. So he folds when i break hiis defence after that.
Im not sure why you're taunting. But i appreciate your help nonetheless

[shell hazel]

it's not taunting just saying he clearly hasn't given up

or you'd not be having him as an opponent

[glad rock]

Anyway just broke his defence. Thanks for the help guys.
Needed some inspiration cause its 5am here.

[glad rock]

Thanks for the idea. Went with cp strat.

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit I wus attacked

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit @umbral crown noah = best shieldo?

[umbral crown]

Indeed, besto shieldo

[north brook]

Swole cheating op

[still storm]

@tropic summit what do I use

[haughty mortar]

I may have asked before but still need help with this please. T3 wins.

[still storm]

@tropic summit rip still lost both attempts

[fast jetty]

any recommended baseline setup? the pinned one is like "ok if you have 2 copy of rumani 2 copy of jackal run this "

• Jackal Rumani VestiTU Blanc ClipRL (2RL)
• Noah Centi Liberalio RH Rumani (2RL)
• Scar Siren/Soda Trina Helm.T/ClipRL Jackal (2RL)

i can make 2 team and just let the noah team do its thing

forgot to level up snow white is why i am no longer 4-7 SP but 10-15.. also new region merged

[hexed hornet]

Looking some help against these line up.

I just realized scarlet team is just not bursting anyone right now

[gritty ridge]

Hmm, thats a big deficit

[hollow lagoon]

i'm safe from @gritty ridge for now

[gritty ridge]

[north brook]

3rd team should be nayuta/bay comp now, not scar

Noah comp (usually swha best under noah), blanc (vesti good with indom), and something like HelmT/lib for t3

Team 3 is going to be the weakest but the main goal is that your t3 requires opp to use one of their better comps for it

[umbral belfry]

@covert lintel did you win

[raven plover]

he didnt

[umbral belfry]

[orchid relic]

[swift mango]

It's all on siren.

[hollow nebula]

Anyone know if Noah invulnerability in a 2.5RL team activates before a 2RL teamwipe? I am thinking of lowering speed for my Noah team if that’s the case

[north brook]

Depends exactly how fast each is, but 2.5 noah is a lot weaker to siren/soda

[limber cove]

Is these setup good?
Noise noah libe helm trina
Rumani nayuta bis cind mihara
Besti blanc jackpal swa centi

[hollow nebula]

Thanks, you know any resources to learn about speed tuning? I probably don’t understand it very well then. I run a 2.5RL Blanc team and indom always pop before I get wiped by a 2RL team so I thought it would be the same case for Noah team

[north brook]

In pins is nikke top i think now?

Input everything about ur team and u can see the exact frame timings

Rl timing is just a vague frame of reference used to understand speed tiers, but charge speed changes teams from 2.5 to 2.3 or 2 to 1.7 or etc

[swift mango]

Did you?

[hollow nebula]

Wow thanks, I didn’t know about that. So Quantum cube can still be useful even when a team is at 2RL?

[north brook]

Normally for noah to be siren proofed team needs to be a 2rl type, or at least 2.3ish

[north brook]

It depends exactly what burst gen in the timeline fills the gauge and whether a quantum changes the timing for better or not

Historically its good when team is mostly rl and a bit short

[hollow nebula]

You have a link of this tool? the ones i find on google only gives me the tier

[north brook]

If u have an ar like blanc or moran filling the gauge it may take them an extra shot for quantums effect

[ivory violet]

nikke.top is the tool you can use

[north brook]

#pvp-arena message

[hollow nebula]

Nice, much appreciated, learned alot today!

[north brook]

U can see approx timing of normal opp teams too, can tell if slower noah timing still blocks faster burst

[umbral belfry]

[hardy bison]

Any suggestions on beating this set up? https://prnt.sc/W8zdPXCN9YmM https://prnt.sc/V7PJUqfOi_-6 https://prnt.sc/_vffVvaXHWqU

[raven plover]

what the helly sanis lifesteal in 2026

[hardy bison]

Two people use that set up still

[swift mango]

30 pulls for 2 SG and max core helm... I just didn't use the SG team recently.... Guess remove from wishlist it is.

They are both MLB+ anyway

[still storm]

still need help

[ivory violet]

Run the lib team vs his nayuta and the snow white team vs his snow white my guess is that you'd win

[restive heart]

noah-biscuit-sw-redhood-helm vs t1
scarlet-trina-rosanna-maiden-centi vs t2
jackal-besti-emilia-blanc-laplace va t3

[finite wedge]

@tropic summit reporting in 4 days later, the recipe is holding

[lethal karma]

by this logic i should make my team slower to burst yes?

[restive heart]

yes

[lethal karma]

do u think this would work then?

[north brook]

bloodbath for 16???

[finite wedge]

[tropic summit]

probably a misclick

[tropic summit]

nah just the difference of having a jackal p1 without biscuit over a noah p1 with biscuit

[tropic summit]

you're on the left

T1 needs 1711k, midhara is assumed highest atk% in that team, else bench her for any other attacker on high atk% that does not produce burst gen more than she does (ein, RH, alice are ok)

T2 needs 1716k, jackal blanc scarlet biscuit swha
tempering on scarlet, quantum on jackal and swha, vigor on blanc and biscuit

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-hikari-gif-1408129775731152385

[north brook]

Still wondering if he will give up or keep trying

This isnt even that good def, just a temp one i swapped to…can easily swap it up

[swift mango]

Until you try to hold c10

[swift mango]

If he wanted to give up he would come here or reddit and asked for cook.

[finite wedge]

not happening until I crack open all the cases I've been sitting on, the true whales in my bracket are ~50-100 levels ahead of me

[tropic summit]

imagine going on reddit

[swift mango]

Btw, could I ask for your CA bracket champ's 5 teams screenshot? Thanks.

[swift mango]

There are people asking for cook on Reddit.

Attack cooks are easier to ask than defend.

[swift mango]

Thank you again.

[glad rock]

Attack cooks can be wild on reddit.
Much better chefs here.

[covert lintel]

No wonder that name didn't appear anymore in CA
You gate keeping him

[rustic sandal]

Oh great. Can't win against this now.

Sometimes I ask myself... where did it all go wrong?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/noah-nikke-gif-11919569615249801280

[supple plover]

Is Absolute team viable in Arena? (SP/CA) if yes who to pair them with?

[rustic sandal]

Only VestiTU lmao.

[gaunt pulsar]

mostly in CA, and Vesti does alot of heavylifting in it, without cores and strong lines it's not gonna work as desired

[rustic sandal]

You can make a case with EunhwaTU for CA.

[supple plover]

Alright. It's just out of curiosity. I don't plan on building them at the moment

[gaunt pulsar]

it's one of the stronger teams that doesn't conflict much with other unit choices in CA so makes your life easier, but it's really vesti invest and skill invest that matters in it

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-11659851580373242545

ur in my pools too?

[covert lintel]

I'm in fahren pools

[hollow lagoon]

still got attacked

[swift mango]

so long as it exists

[swift mango]

You should come to rakuen bracket.

you would fix right in after awhile.

[swift mango]

only on ATK and CA.

[merry niche]

can someone help me set up attack teams for arena pls, tysm

[restive heart]

attack depends on what enemy def team comps run… unless we know what enemy team running mostly on your bracket, we cant make you attack teams.

[merry niche]

awe, thats kinda hard then

[hollow lagoon]

@covert lintel good sier ur gonna fix me?

[covert lintel]

Wdym

[hollow lagoon]

i was told i could be fixed

[restive heart]

how to counter this team?

im thinking 4rl label moran noah biscuit cindy

[covert lintel]

Nah your sickness is incurable

[restive heart]

or blanc-label-biscuit-cindy-swha

[tropic summit]

it's ada and a water code with a jackal link

[restive heart]

[spring jetty]

Hi all, could someone pelase help me upgrade my current team? Heard that scar is pretty much useless now :(. TIA

[tropic summit]

ya silly your team sneezes and the opponent just falls

[hollow lagoon]

on a scale of 1/10 how annoying is this

[restive heart]

how bout this @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

a team you know very well how to beat

you don't need to ask me

[restive heart]

im kinda unlucky that noah survives the last

[tropic summit]

depends on emma invest

[restive heart]

siren stuns his noise instead of noah

[hollow lagoon]

naked

[tropic summit]

you booly

ye i can see it being good bait

[restive heart]

[hollow lagoon]

bro i asked fer a number

[tropic summit]

slow cindy actually beats that, not annoying enough, 4/10?

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

should still catch the average joe offguard

the idea isn't bad, cursed cookin' right up your alley

[hollow lagoon]

i need the just right amount of emma so its slow enough to cook cindy

wait it wont work blanc ver out indoms

[tropic summit]

hmm you'd need something that is lethal once popping burst

so that you're punished for not running fast indom

but that's the limit of defense teams, you can't prevent all counters

[hollow lagoon]

can u gib me something 10/10 annoying

[covert lintel]

@hollow lagoon My bracket challenger has lv736 lv738 lv691 lv692 lv672 lv671 lv670 lv663 lv672 and lv673
Unless you lv640 with high invested pvp you'll be staying at diamond

[hollow lagoon]

@swift mango i dont think that will fix me

[tropic summit]

depends on whether you're gapping or expecting no penalty

[hollow lagoon]

why not both

[tropic summit]

gapping with hp stacking teams + moran can make it impossible for underdogs to hit you

or DR stacking

[cedar sorrel]

So I built these teams myself a bit ago but as u can see CP is an issue. Is it worth to start OLing all these units here or are these teams not good enough?
I also recently pulled biscuit but idk how u use her tbh

Also t3 I made scar lib trina centi jackal now

[restive heart]

swap anis and jackal. you alr have trina on scar team.

[raven plover]

he finally have 4 digits gems

[cedar sorrel]

Whats the reasoning behind that?

[slate falcon]

I think he’s trying to to say using jackal in a team that already has Trina, libe and centi is wasting units when she can be to better a another comp. Idk correct me if I’m wrong @restive heart

[cedar sorrel]

So the scar comp is already fast and tanky enough so it doesnt need the jackal support?

[slate falcon]

pretty much.

[cedar sorrel]

Thanks for the help you two!

If someone could also tell me if those teams are good to go or if biscuit should be fit in somewhere I would appreciate it 🙏

[covert lintel]

Why you always focus on my gems

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-its-so-beautiful-gif-15644547

[hollow lagoon]

how does he live on the 5k credits

[glad meteor]

Just get lucky on banner

[covert lintel]

I just lvl up

[glad meteor]

Forward wrong place

[covert lintel]

I'm low on everything
It'll take 4days to level up again

[swift mango]

no worry you would be only d3 for a few month.

Then you would move back to c1 eventually

[covert lintel]

Zant the whaler

Can he beat astaroth and his huge gems

[swift mango]

When he get 60 level difference after another year or two. He is 601ish after a year.

[hollow lagoon]

[covert lintel]

then we need to wait until next year first

[sleek ginkgo]

I need 3 teams for sp arena defense pls
Oriented stall and cp gap ( i am 70 sync lvl ahead)
I have all except rapunzel

[rustic sandal]

Counter?

[tropic summit]

you need to let people know you don't have most pvp core units

post your box when you ask for help because they'll assume you've jackal, blanc, noah, biscuit etc

[restive heart]

your current scarlet comp burst gen is overkill and trina s2 makes scarlet unkillable for 2 seconds but needs to be on the left most side.

also i did a mistake so i have these teams edited

also asking you have helm treasure or not?

[tropic summit]

run these

[restive heart]

[tropic summit]

for rapuzel in T2 just sub with any unit you wanna CP further with, just don't steal B3 and B2 from noah and swha

[restive heart]

@tropic summit i think he plotting something. i just cant prove it

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[tropic summit]

oh he broke through twice with only 1 attempt? is he finally learning

[swift mango]

Block with Noah then wipe with anything. On boss idom with Blanc.

[tropic summit]

he doesn't have noah or blanc

[restive heart]

i didnt changed my def team

[swift mango]

Could go with Moran+Bay+Biscuit+HelmT

[tropic summit]

he doesn't have biscuit

his bay is 4/4/4 0OL, moran probably unbuilt iirc

[sleek ginkgo]

Noah and snow white have to be p4 and p5 ?

[swift mango]

Could siren Nayuta then Scar Trina Jackal

[tropic summit]

preferibly yes

[tropic summit]

he doesn't have jackal and trina

also he's sirenless as you can read in his name

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

yes, cursed box

[swift mango]

[cedar sorrel]

I do not have thelm yet. I also dont have xanne unless thats just supposed to be manchor

[swift mango]

Now I want to see his box

[tropic summit]

it's a nightmare

[restive heart]

oh yeah thats manchor my bad

[restive heart]

how about laplace. still dont have her treasure right?

[swift mango]

I remember I cooked for him once but not sure how his box looks like now

[tropic summit]

@swift mango behold,

[cedar sorrel]

Okay okay I see then. So with these changes the teams are good you'd say? Because then Ill start OLing the units.

No I havent even pulled lap yet

[restive heart]

which units you have built rn?

[cedar sorrel]

After jackal cp drops sharply cuz lack of 4ol /dolls

[swift mango]

So nothing new at all?

He could probably go with

Nayuta+Vesti+HelmT+SW+Label

Main purpose is to kill the 2 attacker B3 before they burst and eat Cindy burst 3 with label. But Idk if he had enough CP.

[restive heart]

wait you have noise and moran… but unbuilt. rip..

[cedar sorrel]

Yea theyre gonna be quite expensive and time consuming to get up to speed. But honestly thats the case for everyone cuz I havent OLd most of my pvp units

[swift mango]

[restive heart]

okay okay gimme a sec to think which units to OL

[cedar sorrel]

I also have rosanna actually I forgot to bookmark her

[restive heart]

built or not?

[cedar sorrel]

Not built

[restive heart]

[cedar sorrel]

I essentially just finished OLing all my pve units and getting decent rolls on them so thats why Im now deciding to invest into pvp

[restive heart]

priority in terms of pvp

scarlet > trina > blanc > centi > anis > manchor

scarlet 10-7-10
trina 7-10-7
blanc 4-4-10
centi 4-4-4
anis 4-4-4
manchor 10-10-10 (mostly she is used in pve)

also on doll i think do centi first. centi will have treasure soon.

[restive heart]

oooh noice. but beware tho, investing in pvp is more expensive than pve

[cedar sorrel]

I know but I feel like if my teams have decent CP I can actually do well. Even with my pretty scuffed teams I can win in deficit

Im not really aiming to be like top 4 in sp

[restive heart]

[cedar sorrel]

Alright and OL wise the same order?

[restive heart]

yes. after ol you can leave them at like level 0 for now.

[restive heart]

also in the future build xMaiden, Noise, Moran, Biscuit, and Rumani

btw i almost forgot @cedar sorrel

do rumani too just 4-4-4

[cedar sorrel]

I got told xmaiden is a bit niche and mostly for ca but xmaiden is also a dps in pve so not bad to invest regardless

[cedar sorrel]

Alright I will thanks for the tips and help bro 💪

[restive heart]

yes she is good on electric teams

[restive heart]

aight np

[cedar sorrel]

I levelled all the skills up to 7 at most cuz my yellow books are dry af

I didnt really touch manchor beyond 444 until Ill need to use her in pve

Now I just need to wait for OL fodder so I can start OLing these units up. Thanks for the guidance 💪

[hollow lagoon]

I use Trina more than scarlet if anything

[hollow lagoon]

Do rumani is indeed good advice

@tropic summit I maxed Centi doll, Privity/zewi gonna be a next month project

[glad meteor]

SR museum 2 coming soon. Hope next patch

Maybe they do another Drake/Alice type event

[hollow lagoon]

Laplace could use a path to hero kek

[tropic summit]

or you could've waited to see if the treasure is even worth it

[restive heart]

[hollow lagoon]

I see centi shoulder rub and I want to rub shoulder

@midnight coyote you burst slow cuz unit choice

[midnight coyote]

that’s probably correct, do you wanna see my sp arena units

[hollow lagoon]

Sure

[tropic summit]

a man of culture uh

[hollow lagoon]

blanc scar team it slow

[midnight coyote]

i see a lot of privaty treasure waiters here, that’s a good sign

[glad meteor]

4 hours clair obscur nice, I was heard good things about the game

[midnight coyote]

what should i do

[swift mango]

Not me, I don't have the mats.

[tidal lichen]

respectable.

[glad meteor]

Sync 656 in dia 3, damn

[midnight coyote]

is that good or bad

[glad meteor]

Your bracket is like day 1 or something. And you’re cooked

[midnight coyote]

i am indeed cooked

[swift mango]

That mean your account doesn't have much arena investment.

[midnight coyote]

but i just dont wanna lose to people whose synchros are lower than mine

its a sure sign that something is wrong

[midnight coyote]

that’s… correct

[midnight coyote]

this looks good

[hollow lagoon]

u have emilia u can prob do better

[swift mango]

But you don't

[midnight coyote]

i do indeed have emilia

she’s quite handy

[midnight coyote]

i shall follow this

[hollow lagoon]

i dont

[midnight coyote]

thank you, my fellows

oh yes, what about cube suggestions

[slim hedge]

@restive heart I like how he took a break in the middle and came back a few hours later

[restive heart]

he hasnt attacked me since yesterday

[slim hedge]

I've probably been keeping him busy a little for him to get to you ever since I got more involved in this

[restive heart]

and he got ranked down again to 6

[slim hedge]

Whenever he manages to get any rank in the top 5 he doesn't even get to hold it for 1 hour though, can't even attack him back because he's already below me by the time I noticed

[swift mango]

Maybe because you aren't changing team anymore so he got bored of attacking the same team

[slim hedge]

I think he changes his teams so often in order to go past all the different players daily that he doesn't even remember what worked against which team

[tropic summit]

ya story, graphic and characters are good
gameplay is ok-ish

[glad meteor]

Ye, gameplay is different to what I’m used to playing. So havent bought it… yet

[hollow lagoon]

I think I might play Warframe again

[restive heart]

oh boi….

[hollow lagoon]

Quat

[tropic summit]

how many hours total you've on that?

[hollow lagoon]

What

Why u judge me

Actually I have no clue

[tropic summit]

shouldn't steam tell you?

[hollow lagoon]

I’m butt naked in my bath tub doing a bubble bath

There are inconveniences

[restive heart]

[hollow lagoon]

Shit thous are my hours?

[tropic summit]

boy i really needed those details

meh just check later, see if you've more than me just for reference, so i know how much time you wasted on it

[restive heart]

https://tenor.com/view/proof-pro-proo-cat-laptop-gif-22485700

[hollow lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/715931656036417596/1349385164442042409/YICT7CFW17HTU8LU.gif

[restive heart]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/meme-cat-1

[tropic summit]

7 thousand?!

[tropic summit]

4 THOUSANDS?!

ok you both are waaaaaaaay more commited to it than i was

[restive heart]

nah heres my real hours

[hollow lagoon]

@restive heart I saw a update thing that might make my arch gun gaming a reality

[restive heart]

[hollow lagoon]

Wait ur only 500

[tropic summit]

zant's one is real tho

[hollow lagoon]

Mine is indeed real

[restive heart]

yes. i kinda forgot how.

wiat you mean arch gun on missions?

[tropic summit]

4 times more than me and i was playing it a lot, wild

[hollow lagoon]

Yes

[restive heart]

yes

im still mr17

that hours was from my union mate

[hollow lagoon]

I main rhino on kuva rattler, I no longer look at enemies, I look at dots on mini map and I point in that direction to erase red dots

[frank ingot]

how to beat this in rookie?

[restive heart]

that freaking 7k hours and only plays mirage

[hollow lagoon]

I’m MR4 looks like I’m behind

[restive heart]

you mean LR4?

[hollow lagoon]

Idk it says 4

After 30 u go back to 1

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit helmt siren swha

[restive heart]

@tropic summit elp this man out. idk how to counter this team. havent met it in my entire life

[restive heart]

welp its LR4

[tropic summit]

stop trolling

[restive heart]

after MR30 you go LR1

[tropic summit]

blanc p1 is ABC siren counter

[hollow lagoon]

That shit even 2rl?

[restive heart]

[tropic summit]

not 2RL but since SWHA is there + rumani you can guess it's either 2.5RL or 3RL

[restive heart]

im noob at pvp

[hollow lagoon]

Just scar nuke or something I guess

[tropic summit]

yeah yeah, that's a lot of BS i'm hearing today

noob at pvp with emilia on 25CS%

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t even have Emilia

I’m the noob

Rail teach me how to beat fast lib

[tropic summit]

no it's worse, it's not that you don't have emilia, you don't even pvp because you can't, everyone is gapped world's apart from you

[restive heart]

i main mesa. really fun warframe

[frank ingot]

this went fairly quick and stomping the enemy

thank you

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t

[tropic summit]

ye it's blanc p1

ABC of what to NOT do: put blanc in p1

[hollow lagoon]

Mesa prime was expensive by the time I got her I have like some derpy setup already

[hollow lagoon]

My mini map eraser build for example

[restive heart]

real genius pvper

when MA role?

[tropic summit]

troll

[restive heart]

https://tenor.com/view/idoly-pride-anime-girl-dancing-anime-ichinose-rei-gif-24903434

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/koshi-torako-shikanoko-9

[hollow lagoon]

@restive heart one day you will become like me, you will feel the rapid fire 9 meter radius exploding gattling gun and you will have a hard time

Playing other things

[restive heart]

[hollow lagoon]

The only thing held it back was ammo limit forcing you to run certain frame setups, but looks like with the new universal skill it is lifted

[tropic summit]

i think i'd feel sick just logging in warframe

i remember burning out so bad on it

[hollow lagoon]

Are u even rank 30?

Like the rookie rank

[tropic summit]

i had most of everything back then when soma prime was considered the best gun

[hollow lagoon]

Soma prime got upgraded

It’s like a transforming thingy that changes into a shotgun kind of deal

Not very Killy by my standards tho

[tropic summit]

da hell

[hollow lagoon]

We have better toys now

Picture this

[restive heart]

[hollow lagoon]

I summon my weapon from the heaven’s above

I ain’t got time for normal ass weapons I bring into missions

My summoned rapid fire Gatling gun or auto aim chain lazer does the work

[hollow lagoon]

Torid you are a cultured one I like that

[tropic summit]

maybe Tenno are the real threat to the universe

[restive heart]

mobile version looks so trash ngl

[hollow lagoon]

How much is my riven worth now?

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-spy-x-family-5

mason, what do those numbers mean

189% crit chance, are you gonna crit like 3 times

[restive heart]

i think around 10k plat

[hollow lagoon]

Tf? I spend 1.5k on it

[restive heart]

500 plat is like the trash torid riven

im not 100% sure about torid pricing rn

but sure that gets high. lowest might be 5k

realisticly, ill say around 5-7k plats

if you can highball in ingame trade chat maybe 7-10k

@hollow lagoon my mesa prime

[hollow lagoon]

U Infact can crit on top of crit yes

[tropic summit]

oh at least i recognize some mods

[restive heart]

if i grt r5 arcane hotshot and another tau forged topaz shard, ill be now hitting guranteed red crits

im alr hitting red crits but not guranteed

[lethal karma]

@tropic summit do you think this would work out?

[tropic summit]

what are those abominations

just liberalio dat shiet

[hollow lagoon]

@restive heart

[lethal karma]

wouldnt biscuit make them invul?

[tropic summit]

no 1hitko lib bypasses biscuit

run this sh*t

[lethal karma]

oh i didnt know that

[tropic summit]

trina and rumani are interchangeable, put nayuta in p1 for free p1 tank and B2 buffer

as for helmt you can replace with SWHA as needed

[hollow lagoon]

@restive heart looks like a calm and reasonable lad

[restive heart]

[restive heart]

heres mine

[hollow lagoon]

o?

not a ban mod user? wow bro aint racist

me too

[restive heart]

why would you need bane mod if enemies alr dead

you shoot them and theyre dead

anyways time to sleep

[hollow lagoon]

latorz

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

Is that nayu

I thought it was jien for a sec

[tropic summit]

how could you tell

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

Booba mole

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-moist-i-know-what-kind-of-mand-you-are

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

ur rewards better be today. Level 13 bastion

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

If priv is good treasure I could max core her

But i need 2 copy zwei and one copy centi

[gaunt pulsar]

Moran hates me

[glad meteor]

That’s pain

[gaunt pulsar]

and 10 orange kits isn't even 100% at that stage nvm it is, prob lag

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

After reset, trust the process

https://tenor.com/view/creative-jam-count-every-vote-election-night-its-not-over-keep-counting-gif-18920563

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit

[warm monolith]

Whens the campaign update?

[gaunt pulsar]

12th, together with next patch and collab

[warm monolith]

Okay, thanks

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-cat-lol-gif-7440154390406958397

snake going down then

[marble saddle]

@shell hazel@tropic summit

[timber depot]

Would Anchor:IM be a better unit to put here instead of Naga? Shes about 20k higher CP 301k vs 320k and does more burst gen than Naga, but im 3RL regardless

So mostly wondering if Naga is good for shotgun dps, or if rocket launcher is better for dps

[thorny sequoia]

PVP GODS 🙏 🙏 what is the overall strongest Rookie Arena team?

I've still been using
Noah, Emilia, Red Hood, Biscuit, Jackal

I think that's kinda outdated now

Please advise PvP Gods!! 🙏 🙏

[vivid basalt]

Stopped playing because no time

[hollow lagoon]

op

[vivid basalt]

Play 2 accounts xD

One MR30 long time (sold) one mr2x i dont remember

[lone sequoia]

there is no good team, you cp gap or you don't, but everything depends on how is your arena group, different players, different pvp experience

[thorny sequoia]

Is there a new team with SW HA that is meta or semi meta?

[lone sequoia]

you can just go indom

for rookie i think people still have problems with 2RL nayuta (nayuta-rh b1-helm b3) others with stall nuke+ vesti or indom comps because they don't check the speed

if i have to say or build a team... probably vesti/jackal/swha/blanc/flex (emi-laplace-buffer or healer) linked vesti and lowest hp for swha, i think vesti b3 is better than swha, but indom swha is more problems for the enemy team

i would use that, but i need a better emi just in case they try to go with rosanna

still i have not changed teams for +2 years rookie or sp

[umbral crown]

hmmm give a try but i see its an attack team you are setting

[umbral crown]

check pins to get some ideas for teams you could use

[timber depot]

its both attack and defense, im relatively new still and I dont invest in pvp units before pve units. I try to invest pve units that are also good in pvp when I can and just make do with what I have available

when I attack the most I usually do is swap team order for a better matchup and its worked so far

[umbral crown]

i see, makes sense

[thorny sequoia]

Ok I'll check this out, thank you sir 🙏 🙏

[umbral crown]

[raven cairn]

how can i beat this?

[rich quail]

[gritty ridge]

Ive had a good experience with this team

It obviously loses to slower indom tho, and rosa may cause issues

[gritty ridge]

T2: 2rl vesti
T3: siren in p2

[glad meteor]

I was thinking this would be interesting

[raven cairn]

could you give an example?

[glad meteor]

Sw damage isn’t instant

Oh they have centi. Noah may not burst as long as they dont have cs on rl

[gritty ridge]

Yeah thats the main concern

[raven cairn]

is there one that doesnt involve sw, dont have her

[shell hazel]

bro skipped SW lol

[raven cairn]

nah i just got really unlucky with her

[shell hazel]

there is this crazy thing called mileage

[raven cairn]

didnt wanna use em

[shell hazel]

so you skipped SW 😛

[raven cairn]

actually ig that means i skipped

[gritty ridge]

You have emi?

[raven cairn]

yeah

[shell hazel]

it def does 😄

[raven cairn]

thanks

[gritty ridge]

K whats the issue

[glad meteor]

Dont think enough dmg to kill moran

And if snow gets her shot off might be rough

[gritty ridge]

Actually, since its emi you could ditch siren for rh

[glad meteor]

then they both may burst and get their shot off after noah ends

[gritty ridge]

Smh fine. We can use smart options and run indom into noah

Like civilized people

[raven cairn]

so noah/rh/emi/biscuit/helm?

[copper goblet]

currently losing to teams with similar cp with this, what should i switch up?

[raven cairn]

oh alright, thanks

[raven plover]

saving mileage for collab

[shell hazel]

saving for nikke 2.0 :0

[gritty ridge]

Yo hippo, unconcealed rosa does less dmg right?

[shell hazel]

right but if jackal linked think it worked the same as unconcealed

[gritty ridge]

What would you do for t5 here?

[raven plover]

[shell hazel]

[raven plover]

trio absolute

[gritty ridge]

[shell hazel]

run solo crow for t5

[gritty ridge]

[shell hazel]

7RL easy win

[glad meteor]

Thats all I got for you

[gritty ridge]

It would be so cool if I had t.lap or x.soline

[glad meteor]

F2P bigboi

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-laplace-nikke-laplace-gif-16509975402800916478

[raven plover]

how about xmaiden

[glad meteor]

@tropic summit

Bro ros can’t even snipe my snow

[gritty ridge]

Im not missing any limiteds that have ran since I started

Im missing 1 dupe for lap and I just didnt pull x.soline

[raven plover]

thing is.. idk when you started

[gritty ridge]

Back on crusty banner

[glad meteor]

[gritty ridge]

Right before 2.5

[raven plover]

ok do you wanna yolo

[gritty ridge]

So basically, I dont have x.lud

[raven plover]

[gritty ridge]

Depends

[glad meteor]

But lewdmilla

[gritty ridge]

I need her

They're just not rerunning her

[glad meteor]

They forgot

[raven plover]

change helm to mihaha on besti team

change centi to maiden

t5
nayuta, helm/lib, redhood, lib/helm, centi

pray redhood pierce gen proc congrats t5 2 RL

[gritty ridge]

Yeah but then t1 is never gonna burst

Im missing Emma to run absolute anyway

[raven plover]

its ok moran noah gonna stall till mihara dot kill them, like rosy said trust the process

[gritty ridge]

Thats too yolo for me I think

[raven plover]

I ran this one before... 5/7 just dont fight lib / another slow cindy

just get lucky match up

[gritty ridge]

So basically, run my abomination slow cindy

[raven plover]

if nayuta 9 seconds enough till mihara dot kills, yes

[gritty ridge]

For a scar team, maybe

This is all im missing btw

[glad meteor]

No emma

Skipped eva2?

No soline or m.ade

Damn

[gritty ridge]

Wdym skipped eva

Eva is from before I started

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-kevin-hart-damn-gif-22709278

[gritty ridge]

They also didnt put anchor in the summer shop for some reason

[glad meteor]

She wasn’t there during sdoro event? I forgor

[gritty ridge]

Yeah they skipped her

[glad meteor]

Did you check event shop

[gritty ridge]

During s.doro yeah

[glad meteor]

[eager fossil]

Guys, how can i beat his third squad ?
I can win round 1, but about round 3, his scarlet likes immune and clear my squad after 7 seconds

[north brook]

Those some wacky teams…

[eager fossil]

What do you mean ?

[north brook]

I mean all 6 pretty unique

[cedar sorrel]

U just got units that dont really get good burst gen in ur teams

[north brook]

Guess its cp pad newer players tho

Their first team is cp pad and other 2 are semi real teams but they dont know what they are doing

[glad meteor]

You lose r2?

[glacial palm]

281 spike solve some problem

[glad meteor]

diesel cooking. Interesting

[north brook]

Do u have any pvp specific units invested? Rumani, centi, anis, trina, biscuit, noise, moran, laplaceT, ice maiden?

Only see noah and dps/units who can work both

[eager fossil]

Yes, the immune from noah and nayuta, the fast burst from rh and mermaid, i can not defeat

[north brook]

Well its not fast

[glad meteor]

I see. I forgot how dieselt even works

[north brook]

Both ur teams are very slow

His is slow and urs is slower

Like 3rl vs 4rl mbe

Mainly u could use some burst gen batteries with bisc defender and nayuta as 2 teams to deal with defecit

[eager fossil]

@north brook 2 lines first, they are my all invested, should i replace someone ?

[north brook]

U alr have one anyway ur team 1

[cedar sorrel]

Centi jackal xmaiden are good in pvp as batteries with jackal also giving ur team more survivability

Everyone has anis too which as an SR is still good cuz she gets so much burst gen

[north brook]

Probably need to know ur comp cp with like, jackal noah lib centi rh or something

[cedar sorrel]

I like throwing rh b1 on nayuta teams

[azure star]

I see tactical besti, but no besti in your team

[cedar sorrel]

Good point. Shes insane

[north brook]

For that 3rl indom ud want lib to just oneshot it right away

[eager fossil]

They are here
For good immune active, should i replace nayuta and noah ?

[eager fossil]

My besti is 60k, not quite really good

[north brook]

Put that as arena team for attacking and check its cp

[azure star]

Yeah but vesti slaps

[north brook]

Make sure u have all cube equipped etc

[eager fossil]

Can you recommend any squad ?

Cube....i only level up resilience and bastion

[cedar sorrel]

Tvesti is like sss tier in campaign and pvp so investing in here is very worth it

Her*

[finite wedge]

the bloodbath continues

[crystal flicker]

washed

[quick lake]

stinky pvp

[spare nimbus]

does the first part of laplace's skill 2 affect nikkes in pvp? or is it just a pve thing

[quick lake]

pve. There are no parts in pvp

[spare nimbus]

not the second part, the first part i mean

[quick lake]

Extra burst gen. Considered an additional proc of burst gen

LaplaceT should be base gen x 5
two cover
two nikke
one s2 dmg proc

[still storm]

Should I change my defense again?

[spare nimbus]

then by default she's just super strong?

[quick lake]

yep! LapT has always been good imo

[spare nimbus]

i heard she does more damage as an rl compared to other RLs but i don't know what part specifically makes her like that

[north brook]

Ya it does dmg

[umbral crown]

its the hero

[north brook]

Lap s1 only one id not max prob

[quick lake]

comparing xmaiden vs laplaceT. LapT benefits from ele% as well, so that pushes up her dmg even further

[spare nimbus]

so why does viper's skill 1 not work in pvp? since both have a similar description of "target"

[quick lake]

the “target” parts of laplaceT doesnt work. Only the first half

[north brook]

“A target” just means anything

“The target” means a stage boss

Translation thing really

[quick lake]

target doesnt exist in pvp fyi

oh my bad, i meant parts. Parts doesnt exist

[north brook]

Yes lap first part is just meaning, when her rl hits something

“The target” is the annoying diction they use for stage targets aka bosses, all skills for “the target” only activate on bosses

Viper kit has effects that only happen when the stage boss appears, and theres no rapture boss in pvp

[spare nimbus]

after reading laplace's burst description, would it be better to pair her with ada since ada buffs true damage, and laplace does true damage during her burst?

[north brook]

Her true dmg portion is like 5% of her dmg

[spare nimbus]

oh my god bruh now im reading lib's skill 1 and this just got way more confusing

it says "the target(s)"

like really dude

[north brook]

They kept increasing the amount of true dmg in true dmg units kit until we got ada vesti who arent that balanced

[quick lake]

U cant get 5 stacks of hero vision. U need 5 full charged shots. So lap burst is sad dmg

[north brook]

Ya its not stage target this case

[spare nimbus]

time to makea 5rl laplace team 💀

[gritty ridge]

You were right tho, stage target doesnt exist in pvp

[north brook]

Why its confusing is sometimes they use “the target” to mean stage target and sometimes itll say something close and just be any target hit by their attacks

[quick lake]

Target vs stage target. Potato english as always

[gritty ridge]

Shiftup struggles with English skills descriptions

Have they fixed bays description yet?

[north brook]

Im sure theres like real terms in kr that make it make sense

[spare nimbus]

i think SU needs to re-word a lot of old skill descriptions in the next updates lol

[quick lake]

After thinking bout it, i think there’re gonna buff Moran’s DR more

pvp kinda broke now

[spare nimbus]

nero-moran return?

would nero moran helm swha rapunzel work

[quick lake]

could work. Probably wants high dupes

[spare nimbus]

can rapunzel be swapped out to reach 2rl?

[quick lake]

needs rapuns heal. otherwise cant build enough DR stacks for Nero

[fathom rock]

Yes, have tried

[quick lake]

SWHA will probably die, so needs revive

[fathom rock]

But why waste sw there

[spare nimbus]

eh maybe just an attack team or rookie team

i still need to finish my nero so can't even test that out yet

[fathom rock]

That last slot can be a lot of things

[umbral crown]

yeh

remember nero p1 might not hold against snow and helm hitting her

like if against this team

[gritty ridge]

Why is blanc p1

[umbral crown]

wheel strategy, he is highest sync and his blanc lives to burst

same as mine against him in p3

[crystal flicker]

You're a Whale

[umbral crown]

i wish i was

i would be 501 already

[covert lintel]

What's the date for treasure update?

[quick lake]

in 4-5 days. 12th i think?

[tulip quest]

My Moran now SR 15

I lose a match in C.A with Vesti hitting her and her not activating passive + hp

Either Centi 15 or Privaty depending on their treasure relevance as goal

Imagine if shift up is drunk and Privaty now 10 seconds stun XD

[wild hemlock]

Was I lied to

[tropic summit]

forget about that, for starters bro should probably not run blanc in p1 in 2026

[swift mango]

Every one of those whale put blanc p1 because the copy each other or something. Mainly it worked for them because they were whale.

[gritty ridge]

Its just so odd

I do it on atk but id never do it on defense

[swift mango]

There was some guys giving out cook on Reddit like rail here, maybe it's his (bad) habit.

[gritty ridge]

Rail moonlights as a bad reddit cook

[tropic summit]

you mean via sheets? it's just convinient

saves time on opening nikke app although i still have to use it when CS% is involved

[tropic summit]

because you've common sense

[swift mango]

I mean he does mass cook on reddit just like you on here.

bro has discord too but not using it much.

his cook isn't very good though

[tropic summit]

oh what's their nickname? i may have heard/seen them around

[swift mango]

but he had been around for years

[swift mango]

money4me

[tropic summit]

oh oke doesn't sound familiar

[gritty ridge]

Never seen them before

[swift mango]

he is rarely on here.

[tropic summit]

if he stays mostly on reddit makes sense i didn't hear of him, i barely use that thing

[swift mango]

so still newbie color

[gritty ridge]

I used it at the very very start of my account

Haven't been back

[swift mango]

I used reddit when I started, had an argument with him on his one bad take and ended up use discord instead, my arena knowledge improved thanks to coming here.

[tropic summit]

what was the argument about, how crow looks good?

[swift mango]

maybe emi.

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

what do you do, you don't have Emi.

[tropic summit]

yeah didn't need her so far, probably never will

[swift mango]

dude was one on the camp that Emi is useless even for Arena.

[tropic summit]

if you think about it not having emi means i don't have to sink rocks to get her to 25%CS, so it's a big saving

[gritty ridge]

I peeked into reddit a while back, saw pepper reccomended as a "meta unit" for motherwhale, left

[tropic summit]

yeah that's kinda sad

[restive heart]

[tropic summit]

like a lot of ppl were back then when she wasn't tested fully

they assumed it was an easy skip

[restive heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1301382235513159772/1465534922029666346/6EAFBB44F72C8F882E551A67D4E95A63.gif

[swift mango]

But he did like 50% of cooks on reddit for both pve and pvp.

[tropic summit]

oh no

[swift mango]

can't trust reddit afterward

to be frank the take that Emi is not needed unless you only fight for top seat Arena was popular back then. But it proved to be wrong as everyone built her a little if they had her.

[tropic summit]

well it was partially true, even without emi, as long as you had other core units you'd be fine

you already had enough batteries to make 2 proper attack teams

she was helping when trying to make 3 teams on 2RL or 2.5RL

and to bench anis

[swift mango]

at the time you would need to use Anis. Rumani didn't even exist.

[tropic summit]

yeah but was it really a problem?

i never struggled due to lacking emi in an emi bracket, because you could form 2 teams just fine

[restive heart]

i feel like 3/3 win is kinda satisfying than 2/3

[tropic summit]

that's for people who can afford to do so, non pvp boxes won't get 3/3

[swift mango]

2 x 2 RL team, only possible with Emi and Jackal feed.
Pulling Emi give so much value even if you onky replace her with Anis now.

[tropic summit]

she doesn't give value, she just gives extra cards to play

swha jackal helmt noah biscuit blanc are the pillars you need

[swift mango]

come to bracket similar to mine then, you would have to change def every day with your low cp to even get to CA.

[tropic summit]

i did change def team everyday, i've been through that as you're well aware

[swift mango]

I mean right now

[tropic summit]

they got tired of dealing with me

either i'd tire out or they'd tire out

my bracket is downright tired of back and forth

do the above for an year and a half and you'd get tired

[swift mango]

my f2p guys never get tired, they even gem, if needed be.

as f2p brick

[tropic summit]

ye but don't u just gap them anyway

they can't hit you

[gritty ridge]

I would appreciate an emi rn

[tropic summit]

won't change a thing, your def would still break

[swift mango]

That's what I had to do because they keep hitting me.

[tropic summit]

the core issue of this game isn't having or lacking an emi, is that the attacker has always too many cards to play

[gritty ridge]

She would be helpful for CA

[tropic summit]

that's normal, any monkey with a minimun of intelligence can make 2 teams that counter 2 of your 3 defs

[gritty ridge]

I would use her with vesti or something in spa for extra pressure

[swift mango]

emi is the card for Defense CP now.

[tropic summit]

one of the many cards*

she's not core

[swift mango]

before she was good for def and atk as well.

[tropic summit]

she still is good for both

[swift mango]

indom Emi is one of the best team

[tropic summit]

but she's not the only one

[tropic summit]

until she meets rosanna

[swift mango]

as main burst 3

[swift mango]

not many people invest rossana and rossana weaker when gapped

[tropic summit]

you sure? emilia is limited, rosanna is available to everyone

and CA made sure to make her extremely well known

[swift mango]

But Emi only need 444, Rosa need 71010

[tropic summit]

also indom emi loses to a lot of mirrors

low fire rate is not a good combo

[swift mango]

not at the time

right now she is usless yeah

[tropic summit]

scarlet existed back then... just like ein

they'd both win indom against her

[swift mango]

Ein didn't exist
And scarlet is only one team

[gritty ridge]

Kilo b3

[swift mango]

Scarlet can only lose if she reload at the very ended of her Indom

[gritty ridge]

The good pvp days

[tropic summit]

even s.anis would win indom against emi what you on about

here is how strong your emi is... pepega against 1RL slower noah

[swift mango]

Sanis didnt exist in my bracket back then too ofc

neither did yours

[tropic summit]

then how am i using s.anis against emi in above video

did i i time travel across universes?

[floral kiln]

It must be fun being in the same block

[swift mango]

that's a few months later

[gritty ridge]

Its not

Its war

[tropic summit]

oh so you're saying her value was just for a few months, ok

great unit, 10/10 2 months of value

[swift mango]

She is still value for ATK for more than a year.

like the only real card for 2rl Noah until slow cindy

[tropic summit]

she's just one of the many good units blood, give it up

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

she's neither core or gamebreaking like vestiTU or SWHA or helmT

she's good and useful, but you can live without

especially now anyway

[swift mango]

She was the only card to kill 2rl Noah+Noise until Slow cindy

[tropic summit]

you could still win against that with DPS oriented team

because it was B3 dependant and attract taunt wasn't fixed, s.anis would bypass both

[swift mango]

that got wiped off

[tropic summit]

also RH was ignoring attract taunt too

you could noah biscuit RH flex flex and bypass both noise and noah to hit p5

[swift mango]

SAnis was the only other worse card, it still fail even with RH buff sometime

[gritty ridge]

Sanis peaked during the jackal bug

[swift mango]

Emi has the bad of losing to Biscuit sometime though, but it's a fix with Emi under Noah as well.

[tropic summit]

@swift mango here is your noise noah when attract taunt was still broken

[swift mango]

biscuit

[tropic summit]

ofc how else you gonna out trade

that was in middle 2025

[swift mango]

I mean they don't have biscuit or any wipe and RH kill link

[tropic summit]

point is you didn't need emilia, any DPS B3 can take care of that

RH, s.anis and SBS were the altenatives

emilia was again just another card

[swift mango]

because that team weak to RH.
I even told people to use RH a lot against linked noise at the time.

[spare nimbus]

is there such thing as elemental disadvantage in pvp?

[tropic summit]

there was not a single team you strictly needed emilia to beat

[spare nimbus]

like ros unable to kill rh due to element or something

[tropic summit]

only ele weakness, ele resistance doesn't exist

[spare nimbus]

ok

[swift mango]

But she is a one button to clear out all kind of noah teams. And free slot to beating other team.

[tropic summit]

sure she helps, but again still not core

if there's another card that works, then she's an extra

[swift mango]

Some def teams would be stuck if you don't have Emi invested.