pvp-arena

[tulip quest]

Her burst gen kinda not that high

[unique wagon]

But Maiden in SS

[hollow lagoon]

used less getting phased out slowly but urely

[hollow lagoon]

defender no steal link biscuit synergy, buff electric

[tulip quest]

I dunno why Maiden is SS also I rate her S

[unique wagon]

Oh because she has gimmicks only she can fulfill

Two comps to be exact

[tulip quest]

I even Prefer Using Lib Compared to Maiden

[unique wagon]

Rosa backup and idk that Noise Jackal thing

[hollow lagoon]

lib is better ye

[tulip quest]

good 2nd hitter that won't take Blanc buff cause defender high hp

[unique wagon]

But LaplaceTr also not bad. Splash hurts.

[glad meteor]

Putting xmaiden in in ss and ada in s feels wrong. Indom ada is strong too

[hollow lagoon]

ada is not SS?

[noble hatch]

1 more for you to see xDDD

[hollow lagoon]

ada should be SSS

[tulip quest]

2 volley if Noah is p2 without biscuit she's dead in VestT Emilia LapT comp

[tulip quest]

XD third time now

[hollow lagoon]

ada does so many comps a solid

[unique wagon]

Ada is good but I can see her usage and winrate havent been too high

[hollow lagoon]

[tulip quest]

dude just S or SS please her Burst gen is trash even if she is a really good buffer

[hollow lagoon]

burst gen issue is less and less of an issue

[tulip quest]

you would require many clip RL or HelmT if u use Ada in a comp

she can't be SSS that's insane

[glad meteor]

We have enough burst gen to make a good 2rl comp with her

[unique wagon]

What unit is she equal to

[glad meteor]

Ada or xmaiden?

[hollow lagoon]

she enable comps to exist by that metric its like biscuit

[tulip quest]

Yea SPA good but C.A no

[tulip quest]

hmmmm

SS it just cannot be SSS

[hollow lagoon]

fine i take that deal

[glad meteor]

SS is fine

[tulip quest]

I just can't give SSS

[glad meteor]

Ada is buffer and backup dps

[unique wagon]

Both

[shell hazel]

winds howlin'

[hollow lagoon]

i high balled it anyway now u given me what i wanty

[tulip quest]

UR Point is good tho

[upper grove]

chair is too motivated

[tulip quest]

I don't really care if you highballed it explanation seems logical

[hollow lagoon]

[tulip quest]

She can be SSS or something if we get Many characters Like SW H.A

[versed mesa]

Lol just checked, even if did win this first match, my next opponent would most likely be the runner up from last CA Finals

[tropic summit]

indom 2RL vestiTU

• jackal vestiTU laplaceT blanc centi

or

• noah bis helmt ros jackal (kill water code pre noah 2RL)

[tulip quest]

That's Helm Level burst

[hollow lagoon]

its a eventuality

[tulip quest]

yea I might be an old man by then

[hollow lagoon]

now we just need elegg but for arena

[unique wagon]

I am segmenting the upper tiers more

[tulip quest]

Dude's breaking mechanics here

[frank ingot]

Thank you

[tropic summit]

the day you need def comps scares me, cuz it means there is someone who's spending even more than you do

[shell hazel]

my group of mexican standoffs but at least I made it through

[tulip quest]

Elegg gives instant burst in PVE 1 time XD would be funny tho if shift up makes a character pvp equivalent of her

[hollow lagoon]

just use meta/comp enablers/useful picks/niche picks/rouge copium/ded instead of the S SS SSS system

[versed mesa]

These are my current defence teams and my box. Anybody in a cooking mood?

[unique wagon]

Hmm

[swift mango]

Yeah Label isn't for p1

[unique wagon]

It's SSS: You need to have, SS: High impact/High presence, S: Same as SS but with limitations that make them less versatile or more niche, A: Good units but used because there aren't anything better or they are just complementary picks, hence may be used all the time in CA but only occasionally in SpA, B: Replacement, alternative, or situational units that shine in some comps and in specific situations.

[tulip quest]

In that Regard of your standars Ada n Maiden S for me just opinion tho

can Just make people vote here

I vote S

[hollow lagoon]

in that regard scarlet is lower than trina

[tulip quest]

Zantarath also for Mayor

[glad meteor]

They are unique characters imo, not really equal to anyone.

Xmaiden has clip sg gen with no feed, plus defender synergy with biscuit. I’d say she isnt really equal to anyone in that sense. Because other defenders have clip rl gen but mostly usless skills. Better than clip sg situationally and can stand as a dps against some rosanna teams.

Ada is dps plus off burst buffer. We don’t have many good off burst buffers. Her main problem is she’s single target and can get stuck on a target. Her delayed nuke can kill noah after biscuit wears out sometimes.

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/mayor-the-mayor-the-simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-12497664

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta viper swha rh drake
• ade rrh vestiTU anis lib
• label naga helmt biscuit alice

Notes:

• wishlist/build jackal, biscuit, rumani, trina, centi, noah
• finish helmT or at least reach phase 2 s1 lvl 10
• get your teams rechecked once the above are better built and/or available
• consider treasuring laplace and drake down the line and after helmt is done

[unique wagon]

Equal in value and impact

[tropic summit]

this tav guy 1st in SR and now first in CA

[tulip quest]

They are really good with comps that suit them but standalone nah

So I rate them S

[hollow lagoon]

explaining it in this way helps me who can feel your thoughts, but wont help people who just see the number of S

[tulip quest]

Unlike Nayuta and characters like her Even as stand alone really good + flexible in many comps SS

[hollow lagoon]

nayuta gen is abyssmal tho

[tulip quest]

Yea but she acts as a Wall of 9sec + flexible on team comps

not to mention adds damage

[versed mesa]

I'm going to lose my first Top64 match against someone who isn't even past Chapter 30 on hardmode or 830+ in Tribe Tower...

[hollow lagoon]

ada adds damage and keeps unit from being dead to less buffed indom vesti for X seconds

[tulip quest]

good point

[versed mesa]

Hasn't even done Overclock in Sim room

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-cool-love-great-guy-gif-4090511107769758652

[visual willow]

Can someone help craft some SP Arena Defense teams for me? Here is my box and my quantum is level 10. Unfortunately, I can't invest much into units atm since I don't have a lot of rocks T.T

[tulip quest]

is he 1st also in whaling?

[hollow lagoon]

who's dis tav guy, cant possibally be some fresh water aquatic mammal

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/win-duckdynasty-gif-5026828

[upper grove]

f2p btw

[shell hazel]

fully f2p

[tulip quest]

There is also F2p NAMED Union in top 10 btw

[tulip quest]

F2p means 2 things FREE 2 PLAY OR FORCED 2 PAY

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• bay trina 2b helmt rumani
• jackal vestiTU drakeT blanc centi
• noise siren swha noir nah

Notes

• build rosanna short/medium term
• raise CP on vesti and SWHA
• get lappy treasured
• emilia doko? build if available
• build moran medium term

once moran is available, T1 can improve

[hollow lagoon]

@tulip quest lols like 90% of the population wants the silver frame

[tulip quest]

when I was lose streak on prediction might as well get the LOSE FRAME

[hollow lagoon]

i didnt even look at opponent comps

[shell hazel]

fleeced 2 pay

[upper grove]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-max-level-emma-f2p-btw-zero-spent-gif-14302368962496064198

not even a single cent, f2p btw

[tulip quest]

Alright

[versed mesa]

Woah cheers man, feels weird seeing no Scarlet though, but I'll give these a shot

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

moran trina stonks 📈

[hollow lagoon]

what's scarlet

[shell hazel]

SSS unit

[versed mesa]

Emilia? Who is that?

[hollow lagoon]

that thing that kept trina away from the greatness of salad all this time

sinner

should get demoted to B tier

[tulip quest]

I don't even bother that mode XD only 1 time for the first recognition

[hollow lagoon]

need me the doll mats

speaking of doll, still no treasure news

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina helmtT RH emilia
• jackal siren swha laplaceT noah
• lib vestiTU rrh blanc drakeT

Notes

• build noise and biscuit asap
• build moran on medium term
• build rosanna on medium term
• build utilities (centi, trina, rumani, jackal)
  - make jackal at least R15 or SR5, then you can run indom instead

get teams rechecked once the above are fixed

[tulip quest]

oh you didn't finish the mats?

[tulip quest]

GL then

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/re-zero-10

[tulip quest]

I need sleep Ladies n Gentleman

This chat was so fun

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/this-isnt

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-emilia-ky-goodnight-goodnight-anime-goodnight-emilia-anime-re-zero-goodnight-gif-1170094932596319354

[tulip quest]

Now I'm having Insomnia

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel you chose lawful good, i chose chaotic evil

[tulip quest]

and I blame u all for it XD

https://tenor.com/view/bowing-thank-you-tom-and-jerry-take-a-bow-chasing-gif-17838160168594208358

[hollow lagoon]

need dkw treasure to grant pierce to snipers so i can have pierce helm

[shell hazel]

I mean evil usually should win right?

[tulip quest]

Nights

[shell hazel]

gotta respect the evil

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/only-war-reason-gaming-warhammer-gif-17304554

[tropic summit]

shoulda gone with the anchorIM, for ultra HP++++

[swift mango]

Testing a bit with Label, she really needs max doll, max skill 2 and probably max core, 4 AtK line as well

Otherwise she doesn't function

[tropic summit]

max core? yeah cya

[shell hazel]

@crystal flicker we may face eachother again depending how next matches go

[shell hazel]

maybe next time I will I need to jig teams a bit anyway

[swift mango]

She needs to have higher ATK than your main dps

So to stop Rosa

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/breaking-bad-coward-3

[swift mango]

I doubt she would see much use in CA.

[shell hazel]

my somewhat cope lib team 1 is not having fun

but this is a sign

[tropic summit]

there's 1 rosa, 20% to meet her, who cares

[swift mango]

She only counter Scar and Rosa. If she can't counter Rosa then not worth using

[shell hazel]

I wouldn't worry about rosa yeah

[tropic summit]

ye that's the better answer, not worth using

[gaunt pulsar]

at CA i watch out of 64 players only 6 use her no one wants to cook

[swift mango]

Need to build her to have high atk

[tropic summit]

you don't need to build her if you don't get her

[tropic summit]

let her die in SParena attack teams where she should be

[swift mango]

Not that no one wants to cook but she required very high and precise investment unless you can join st max core her...

[tropic summit]

designed to be troll unit to deficit against fast scar/cindy

SU and their funny interns

[visual willow]

Thanks, I will update when I get enough rocks! They are hard to mine

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit fake chinese salad failed

[swift mango]

I will just build her max doll, 4 AtK line.

[noble hatch]

1440p, enjoy~ ♥

https://youtu.be/5PwqRm0qSuA

[tropic summit]

that's a new salad i didn't hear about

[hollow lagoon]

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

with whose rocks? you're broke

[versed mesa]

T1 is 50k in deficit against my strongest opponents strongest team. My Rumani doesn't have any gear overloaded yet. Anything to sub in for her? She is next on my list for overloads after I get the credits to hit 681

[swift mango]

4 AtK disregard CP or any other line isn't that hard to build.

[cunning crown]

Wait was that actually them

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

this one needs anchorIM to survive lib

trina alone won't give you enough HP to survive it without further DR

[hollow lagoon]

he made it to top 8 at one point i recall

i recgonize his name

[tropic summit]

use this and find a unit that retains that team speed, else drop it to 2.5RL with w/e you've available but don't go 3RL

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[hollow lagoon]

ill count my swha's minor damage taken increase to pull thru (honestly it prob rubs moran wrong a bit)

[tropic summit]

@versed mesa

you can sub trina for an SG like viper or similar if you've any invested B2s

2.5RL via mag RL if you've something better CP than rumani and helmt is at least 8%CS

else just CP stack that team to hell until you build your utilities

[shell hazel]

Tenshi cooks are lame this time no adjustment for label really

[rich ledge]

Oh unexpected I doubt I can win tho

[tropic summit]

you need more rosy-thinking

[tropic summit]

good luck rolling those with less than 20 rocks

[hollow lagoon]

dis guy that took me out couple seasons ago got keeled hehehehehhehhehehe

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yoda-star-wars-18

[hollow lagoon]

first time i met a absolute comp vesti

[tropic summit]

how does this girl called "trust the process" look like and why should i go in her?

[versed mesa]

Been using nikke.top mostly but thx for the guidance. I'll see what I can get from these. Might wait until I get that last level in synchro, will also boost my CP more

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-kitten-kiss-gif-6588078957197429086

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/attack-on-titan-anime-6

[harsh lake]

Can anyone help with PvP analysis?

[versed mesa]

Two of my opponents actually lost to those defenses I have now, but they gem for more. They don't seem to be the most skilled in making teams though, based on their defences.

[hollow lagoon]

i mean ur basically

they can't take out @tropic summit

it aint saying much, rail's prob causing their nation's gdp to tank

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

thing is i've seen my own defs being used and i had to beat them, a particular feeling

[hollow lagoon]

i know how this, gets beten and gets copied and process it suck and i keep my comps looking stupid

[shell hazel]

🍿
https://youtu.be/JeEFU5SH0CE?si=KerW9LzbrkBQsP3m&t=90

[tropic summit]

moran stonks

[umbral crown]

@tropic summit did i do the thing?

[tropic summit]

can't kill an idiot if the idiot doesn't know how to die

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

you killed former champ

[hollow lagoon]

i see another salad addict on the horizon

[umbral crown]

Good, became the avenger

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/batman-dark-knight-14

[umbral crown]

Now im vs asia part 2

[tropic summit]

it's only chinnits

[umbral crown]

Gonna share the videos later

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

40 pulls later...

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown

[tropic summit]

you really gonna build her...? you kiddin' me

you don't have the resources let alone MLB her

[swift mango]

I wanted MLB but too much to ask I guess.

[tropic summit]

ofc

[swift mango]

35 pulls left

[tropic summit]

we f2p plebs can't MLB pvp only units

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

oh god he's really going for it

[swift mango]

Nah I will just wishlist for the MLB

[hollow lagoon]

cant keep the salad to my self forever

[tropic summit]

that's no salad, it's hyperbuffed swha

with anti nuke

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/snoopy-super-hero-gif-19472294

[swift mango]

Still lose to slow cindy

[hollow lagoon]

this guy's team position counters mine, looks like i'm dead at 32

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-of-us-6

come sit on the bench with me, keeping it warm

[swift mango]

I really really want label MLB now but I know lb2 is the sweet spot. 35 pulls left.

[hollow lagoon]

cost a helm tho

[tropic summit]

you're crazy, i can't even remotively think investing so much in a RNG CA unit only

1 copy i could understand, but that effort hell nah

[swift mango]

To be frank she is my new favorite after Elegg and Sora.

[shell hazel]

blood - I'm out of shit
also blood - I'm investing this niche thing 😄

[tropic summit]

oooooh now i get it... it's a waifu kind of thing

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

she's a bit difficulty to love for me its possible but its like trying to comprehend my self when i dont know i'm delusional

[tropic summit]

or rather, you already need to be fixed, how can you go with someone who needs to be fixed if you can't fix yourself

zant needs a waifu that steers him in the right direction and pulls him from his darkness and curse

[hollow lagoon]

reach critical mass on the crazy and tare a hole in reality

[tropic summit]

someone like siren

[hollow lagoon]

so far best seller squad has ben full of interesting ladies pertty nice

ill fit right in i ill just have get on phantom's level

[swift mango]

I could always vacate the 2 Absolute slot I guess.

[tropic summit]

i don't want to hear you complaining how broke you are again

[shell hazel]

looks like china copying 😄

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

Wut? Not like I need them ever.

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/todd-howard-it-just-works-1

[glad meteor]

Did you use your new years selector yet

[umbral crown]

I lost to that team last season

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

My small goal is to have Label higher ATK than SW... Probably need SW to roll off attack.

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Bro overcooked seems like

But even last season. Its crazy how he won.

[umbral crown]

Thats what i thought when i saw his teams

[glad meteor]

That nayuta sbs team was really sus

My scar too weak

[umbral crown]

*wonder if i 4-1 or 5-0 him

Have to log on pc later to check

[glad meteor]

That t3 i couldhave wone if I was atk

[umbral crown]

[unique wagon]

Snake proposed Soda S

Thoughts?

[glad meteor]

Fair

[unique wagon]

Bruh

[quick lake]

Same as Siren. Fair

[unique wagon]

No, siren is A

RH is S

[quick lake]

Im seeing Siren S on pryd tl

[unique wagon]

Soon A

[unique wagon]

[quick lake]

Still agree that Soda > Siren

[unique wagon]

Tove and Pepper go B

[unique wagon]

Are u sure

[quick lake]

I think Rapun should be demoted. She’s rarely used

[glad meteor]

Siren long stun is kinda decent though,

[glad meteor]

Rapu as an b1 res is pretty unique still

I use her in soline scar rapu

[quick lake]

Only gimmick I see is Rapun xSoline yeee

[umbral crown]

Thats the new trend

[glad meteor]

If only i had c7 scar

[umbral crown]

Uwu

50 atk and crit

[glad meteor]

Crit on xmaid

Won’t alwas be so lucky

[spare nimbus]

does siren stun in time if the burst and stun are the exact same frame

[hazy fractal]

is that a website?

[spare nimbus]

Nikke.top

[hazy fractal]

ty

[unique wagon]

Yes

[spare nimbus]

alr thx, doesn't look like he got to burst lol

[mild solstice]

Hey guys, been a while since i put my SPA teams and need to upgrade them. Any recommendations with what i have? Ty @quick lake

[pure moss]

@umbral belfry i lost in Advance

[unique wagon]

Can tag Railtracer or Rheax

But nice max cores

Tbh Idk about SpA meta

Been following CA more than anything and that not closely

[raven flume]

Rheax has a pinned team guideline that's been updated for Label patch, i think

[unique wagon]

Btw who is the MA of this channel

[signal hull]

Me no understand, I thought Label was a sure-way to beat Scarlet?

Is it because skill 2 not maxed?

[empty cedar]

Honestly i just believe that team set up is just garbage with grave as b2

If it was Blanc snow white would had survived

[umbral belfry]

oops I will carry on your legacy in groups

[pure moss]

My 2 new comps did perfectly. The other 3 old comps did bad

[glad meteor]

Label did her thing, but then after 5s she stopped working, and sw is a delayed burst

[gaunt pulsar]

crit scar, half hp lib and maiden, add to that good scar, low label, who knows

[glad meteor]

Sw need protection, if lib lived to burst they wouldve won

….

[gaunt pulsar]

what

[signal hull]

They're same element?

[glad meteor]

Wait no

[gaunt pulsar]

oh you meant label

i did the same mistake

[glad meteor]

Nvm that i though lib was iron for a sec lol

[gaunt pulsar]

ah, worse then, but excused

[signal hull]

On a related note.
"Shared Delusion: The Shield created by Label becomes invulnerable for 10 sec."
Did anyone figure out how it works - it might be hella useful if it's like Biscuit's invulnerability for 10 sec if she bursts with shield on.

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

Shouldn’t be like biscuit invul

Her shield gets invul. Not her

[unique wagon]

Hello

Rosy is MA

[glad meteor]

🧑‍🍳

[umbral belfry]

hihi

[unique wagon]

How are you

[umbral belfry]

tired asf I wanna go HOME

[unique wagon]

Oh

[umbral belfry]

Hopefully you're doing good though

[unique wagon]

Aw thanks

Wow touching grass

[umbral belfry]

[humble frost]

any cooks?

[umbral crown]

Doggy also wanna go home

[humble frost]

owned and not owned; @tropic summit

[unique wagon]

Ayo

Nice big screenshot

[humble frost]

heya

[unique wagon]

Bro doesnt have Scarlet

But bro has everything else in the game

[humble frost]

yet want to pvp

[unique wagon]

Pain

[humble frost]

who is the best cooker

[fair pivot]

I built Cindy for mirror container, is the still good for
SPA now with label?

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/VTE322JFotU?si=NzwV1hUt80h0TWvQ

[unique wagon]

Slow Cindy is uncountered

Although Idk if Slow Cindy works in SpA

Nice vid

Anyway time to sleep

Tomorrow have to discuss TL and proofread Label

Bye

Oh ye probably not everyone gets Label for you to be overworried about that anw

[fair pivot]

True. I'll wait for my rival to invest and then replace my scarlet team

[versed mesa]

For peeps in the know. So since I am storing my credits for the synchro lvl up first, if I still have credits left over, in which order should I level up my gear for overload on Rumani? I have the piece for each slot already, just need the credits to upgrade when I can.

[finite prawn]

Verdict on Label?

[tropic summit]

only if you've trouble dealing with scarlet/cindy 2RL teams, else you can skip or get 1 copy

and only on attack, she's useless on def as she's bypassable

[finite prawn]

Thanks 😌

[gaunt pulsar]

body>helm/boots>gloves, but it wouldn't matter much, body is just better for higher hp pool and higher cp gain since she is defender

[forest zodiac]

is there any chance of me attacking this guy and winning?

[tropic summit]

you're in range and teams aren't unbeatable, you should

[forest zodiac]

may I ask for suggestions on tteams?

[tropic summit]

who has the most HP of these units

vestiTU, liberalio, SWHA, laplaceT

i need this info to give you an indom liberalio team for T2

[forest zodiac]

lib > swha >vestiTU
no lapT

[tropic summit]

hmm gonna need to vestiTU it then

[tropic summit]

oh they're close in HP, you can fix with vigor

[tropic summit]

you're on the left

cubes for T2:

• jackal quantum
• lib tempering
• blanc vigor
• centi quantum
• swha vigor

T3 you can run any high lvl cube

[versed mesa]

Yeah want to get her CP beefed up mainly, go for CS% down the line

[forest zodiac]

@tropic summitremind me deficit math

his value * 0.846?

seems like deficit?

1007756,892

oh well I got sniped lol

[tropic summit]

ye you need 1007k for that

you can sub centi for laplaceT or any similar burst gen unit, they feed you decently so you can drop to 90% ish without problem

ensure lib retains link

[gaunt pulsar]

it wouldn't matter much, difference between doing helmet or body first for example is few hundred cp, what would matter in the end is amount of OL lines you get initially so just do Body first for better hp bump

[tropic summit]

you can try tomorrow, time your attack, you can definitely win it if you fix CP

[gaunt pulsar]

can't he just sent t3 against t2 and t2 against t1 there?

[forest zodiac]

nah I'm not sure how I'll be able to inflate my cp that much

[versed mesa]

I've had her for so long and just didn't have a need to build her since I didn't have to bother since my bracket before last shuffle was free top 3 each season with no one challenging me. Now need to work on some teams

Again that next shuffle puts me in a chill bracket again

[tropic summit]

deficit in T1 then

[forest zodiac]

ice maiden is ok unit?

[tropic summit]

instead of centi?

[forest zodiac]

yeah

or not fast enough

[tropic summit]

ye you retain 2RL

[tropic summit]

you can always check yourself here

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[forest zodiac]

yes sorry

[tropic summit]

good he's not on deficit, how does he wipe with 1 nuke eaten by noah and 1 stack of biscuit still popping on noah mid indom? is that lethal anyway?

assuming:

2RL - biscuit popped on rumani p5, best case scenario popped on p2 noah
nuke happens, absorbed by noah
follow up nuke - wipe? unlikely, noise buff and noah DR applied
follow up hits: need to be lethal, if 2nd biscuit stack wasn't applied it will be applied
they've 5s invulnerable unit, SWHA indom running out

unless i'm not seeing something, it feels risky

best case scenario he's lethal mid indom and noah ran out of stack earlier

i'd rather go this and swap vestiTU with SWHA

but i've little data on SWHA against those kind of stalls so you're probably right

[forest zodiac]

do I try that?

[gaunt pulsar]

swha is pretty lethal with her shots even on just blanc, and all he needs is 2 strong uses that she has from her burst, one happens right after burst and partially eaten by noah, but 15 sequential shots from effect 2 should eat his enemy bisc and swha alive, and on 2nd one rest is dead when they come out of bisc invul, if they not she still have enough time to shot 2-3 times with 1.2sec charge before her indom ends

[forest zodiac]

does swha needs to burst?

[tropic summit]

if CP allows both the above and @gaunt pulsar suggestion probably, up to who you feel is better invested betwen SWHA and Vesti, then fix the HP with vigor cube (the lowest HP and without vigor will be ur indom)

tbf i'm interested in seeing SWHA against that matchup, so if you can fix ur team for @gaunt pulsar suggestion and record

[forest zodiac]

my swha is much better tthan vesti tu

who needs to be indomed? swha or lib?

[tropic summit]

then keep team as is and rotate it to match enemy cindy team, the noah biscuit team can stay against scar-ros

[forest zodiac]

cindy team?

[tropic summit]

you can either keep as is your current indom team or add CP with a flex unit instead of biscuit, both meet CP requirement

updated draft with Lomarion's suggestion

[forest zodiac]

uhhhh

do I care whats on enemy side in that screenshot?

[tropic summit]

kinda, it's the opponent team you throwing that team against

[forest zodiac]

no I mean t1=t2 in your screenshot

[tropic summit]

they are 2 variations of the same indom archetype

[high stream]

Dude changed his defense quite a bit .. can I get some assistance with this?

[tropic summit]

one uses biscuit + jackal, the other uses jackal link alone + flex for better CP

it's down to you

[lunar pawn]

what's a good team to use here? moran strat no longer works

[forest zodiac]

but these are different teams completely now?

[ionic rose]

Try doing a slightly slowler scarlet indom

[forest zodiac]

jackal biscuit safer?

ah, biscuit busy in t3

but yeah, again who gets indom here (vigor)

[glad meteor]

No stealth patch

[ionic rose]

Indom on snow since more invested

[glad meteor]

No new treasures. It’s over

[lunar pawn]

won't she go up in flames vs vesti

[umbral crown]

You need slower indom cuz noah no gonna protect you from vesti i dom, can try:

Ein /Blanc/Red Hood/ Snow or helm/Jackal

Ein shouls get the indom

Also linked

[glad meteor]

Assuming blanc doesn’t die in p2

[ionic rose]

If she dies before burst just put rapunzel in ur team

[umbral crown]

My blanc does fixed

[versed mesa]

The theorycrafting for pvp seems much more interesting that I gave it credit for for the first two plus years I played the game, just sucks that you only get such a low amount of free tickets per day, I do like Rail's idea of only being able to hit the same person twice per day, so it wouldn't just be gemmer > non-gemmer

[glad meteor]

My blanc does even in p3

[lunar pawn]

blanc needs to survive tvesti without biscuit?

[forest zodiac]

@tropic summit@gaunt pulsar

[umbral crown]

Fixed, my blanc always lives to burst

[umbral crown]

Yeah, she should survive fine

[ionic rose]

Yes put blanc on p3 or p4

[umbral crown]

With RH in the team, blanc needs to be P2

[lunar pawn]

Idk

[umbral crown]

Most vestis does not have really high ele to kill her before burst in a 2.5 comp

Is your Ein linked?

[ionic rose]

I personally do scarlet, rapunzel, blanc, maiden and jackal. Rapunzel and scarlet has jackal link

[glad meteor]

Holy level diff

Jackal blanc ein bisc helmt is safer

[lunar pawn]

mm my ein won't link

[umbral crown]

200k cp

Try kara s comp

[glad meteor]

Maybe deficit

[gaunt pulsar]

#pvp-arena message @tropic summit 🤝

[umbral crown]

But the point of it is, you need slower indom to win

[lunar pawn]

doable

[glad meteor]

[forest zodiac]

thank you guys, real life savers

[umbral crown]

You are in range

1.918 to fight him

[lunar pawn]

1.918m cp is doable without deficit

lemme record

[umbral crown]

Since its rookie, worth a try

[glad meteor]

That much level diff vs vesti is scary but interesting

[umbral crown]

My comp point is to not hit vesti at all since the vesti i fight is not linked at p2 but the other attackers, most the time its helm indom right aftef vesti burst but also vesti gets indom but sill my ein pull it off

[glad meteor]

Bros vesti doesn’t even have doll though. Maybe a scarecrow

[umbral crown]

Also that but since its a really fast comp, vesti might get the indom

[lunar pawn]

ty

[umbral crown]

Nice

[versed mesa]

Rising STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR!!

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

[lunar pawn]

I kinda wanna build absolute to make a meme defense

but SW is still underbuilt

[versed mesa]

I wanna build Absolute cause I wanna see that Emma skin more

[umbral crown]

I check part of my absolute in arena and loses to some standar comps

[umbral crown]

Good reason

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[umbral crown]

Indeed

[lunar pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/killlakill-kill-la-mako-ryuko-gif-3755057

[glad meteor]

[umbral crown]

[lunar pawn]

[tropic summit]

looks like a similar pattern we just solved

except way weaker

[high stream]

Oh really?
I just beat him, but it was close. My Team 2 lost with the enemy HelmT having like .. 1 hp left
My team 3 barely won the burst race

[tropic summit]

ye T1 is on 4RL, T3 is weak to indom, T2 you could rosanna and force misindom or a slower indom

good job either way already on solving it yourself

[high stream]

Yeah, lol

But was a bit too close for my liking, not sure if i got lucky

[ionic rose]

Believe it or not the absolute pvp team is actually legit

[tropic summit]

i'd actually advise not using it on def, you give it away to your entire bracket and it's a team that is way stronger on attack than defense

feels like you just gonna stab yourself with that

[lone sequoia]

not really in sp or rookie, it just a heavy dmg team and is easy to counter that, you can just use biscuit or a nayuta and 2RL them

[short plaza]

@tropic summit hey I'm curious which is better a lib nuke team or a snow white HA sustain team?

[lone sequoia]

swha should have better kill pressure and it doesn't count as a nuke comp

[tropic summit]

for what scenario

rookie?
SP arena?
CA?
def or attack team?

liberalio is situationally good when you need that 1hitko nuke
SWHA can be used in plenty of scenarios instead

[short plaza]

for now just SP arena my lib team is struggling constantly I'm thinking of swapping it for snow white

[tropic summit]

if it's struggling it's because you using it wrong

and definitely do not use lib on defense

[short plaza]

well the only struggle comes from noah dying constantly for me

[tropic summit]

give noah better protection or positioning

e.g. add a biscuit or a noise and move noah to p5

situationally soline can also suffice

[short plaza]

I can't really give her biscuit but I can add noise
my team is Moran noah lib rh helmt so I would swap out rh for noise then?

[tropic summit]

scrap that team if you've a better B3, lib is dragging it down

[lone sequoia]

2RL lib nuke?

[tropic summit]

this is why better

p2 you can add gimmic nikke, like siren

noah in p5 is way safer against enemy vestiTU

[lone sequoia]

just use a swha indom and vesti sustain, ez

[tropic summit]

or you can sub helmT for clip RL and move her in another team

e.g.

[short plaza]

can I still use noise in that team? siren is currently on my scar team

[lone sequoia]

2RL siren scar?

[tropic summit]

if scar is a defense team you're better scrapping that too, with label added scarlet is heavily powercrept

[short plaza]

[lone sequoia]

soda is better in a stun comp, but now for def only scar/rosanna is decent

[tropic summit]

i get the feeling Lan is about to have to remake his entire defense roster

[lone sequoia]

naa, cp comp +2 pvp teams, easier with SWHA now

[short plaza]

I have both lib and scar on defense it's a miracle I maintained the 4th spot for a week

[lone sequoia]

unless he uses CA teams

[versed mesa]

Unless you are in my bracket Our top 4 including me, are not PvP focused almost at all. One of the whales does get every character but based on his defense teams, he barely looks at meta. If someone challenges him, his synchro will just jump 10-20 levels until he gets back on top

[tropic summit]

well ppl still building label/messing with her, i think you've some grace time still

keep it until it breaks

[lone sequoia]

scar in a high cp comp work

[versed mesa]

And spends thousands of gems just to force the win

[short plaza]

it's my lowest CP team by far since I only got her last week and Trina isn't fully invested....

[lone sequoia]

my top 4 are+200~300 sync higher than me

[lone sequoia]

trina alone is not enough to wipe at higher sync lvls, but still have pressure if you know your scar will crit

[leaden canyon]

hey rail that defense you gave me actually worked for 4 attacks

[lone sequoia]

what about the 5th?

[leaden canyon]

the guy broke through

[short plaza]

I think I'm gonna link my blabla to create a whole new attack and defense teams I already wasn't liking my performance with them

[versed mesa]

Same guy gemming Dair? Or multiple attempters?

[leaden canyon]

and now we are gaming back and forth. he mostly always break it after 1 attack but this one took him 4 and now hes just gaming more even though points wise he was fine lol

same guy

[lone sequoia]

i have been using the same DEF teams for like +2 years (the only change was the main dps in 1 team that now have vesti on it)

but i'm sleeping in c8

[tropic summit]

more than i expected

[versed mesa]

I was sleeping in C1 for 6 months until Shuffle nation attacked

[leaden canyon]

but now we are in a back and forth gem war so idk what to change it to now lol

[short plaza]

I could also do that no one below challenger can even come close to beating me but I wanna stay higher than 8th

[tropic summit]

last season pray he gets reshuffled elsewhere

[tropic summit]

make the 3 top annoying teams

[leaden canyon]

well I do try but his rosanna is also cracked af and will one shot any support or attacker

[tropic summit]

then you already know what it means

[versed mesa]

I will keep that we all get good reshuffle results

[leaden canyon]

is this reshuffle supposed to actually shuffle stuff or is it just the normal one where it doesn't change old players brackets

oh hey the defense i switched to won

[lone sequoia]

only change when people quit

[versed mesa]

It all depends on number of players active in the bracket

[leaden canyon]

I forget, you know cozy members right?

I know somebody in here does

[lone sequoia]

that same guy? i don't talk with them, my union is like friendly with them because leaders

[leaden canyon]

the guy geming me isn't him, but the other one thats from cozy is the one I do all the deficit attacks against

the geming me is from booty

I have tried to see if i can track down either of them to talk to but never found them lol

wanted the cozy guy to place vesti on a team to see if this other team works

unsure if he would want to help me experiment with the team

[wind kelp]

Oh wow, talk about double whammy. I won 4 out of the 15 fights in League preliminary 😄 Not great team setups, absolutely owned in how teams were organised. Ah well, still won 1 match, happens.

I'll just build up units, see how bad the reshuffle is, and we can build some proper League teams if i get there.

[swift mango]

@keen vapor The one and only. Sorry @umbral crown you can't beat him.

[umbral crown]

[fair pivot]

How did Scarlet here burst before my Noah? I see both teams are 3RL. Did the opponent have extra charge speed?

Drake wasn't even treasure

[lone sequoia]

echo MA?

[thin abyss]

Siren feed probably

[fair pivot]

Ah right. I always assumed feed is for Jackal only.

[leaden canyon]

Am I attacking or defending here, I dont remember how it works in CA

[glad meteor]

They’re 2.5 rl or faster with quantum cubes/scar s2

[keen vapor]

@umbral crown cooks less than me so it's true

[keen vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/maaa-made-in-abyss-gif-26612687

Maaaaaa!

[lone sequoia]

and the power of friendship, lib teams are soulless

[lone sequoia]

i don't recognize that gif. where is it from?

[glad meteor]

What is this creature. Why so …

[keen vapor]

Made in Abyss

[glad meteor]

[keen vapor]

Is MA-san

[glad meteor]

I’ve heard things

About this

[lone sequoia]

what about read things?

[keen vapor]

Things are true

[keen vapor]

??

[glad meteor]

Have not watched it… yet

My mind has forgotten what i read

[shell hazel]

right is def

[glad meteor]

Just know not pleasant

[leaden canyon]

Thanks

[lone sequoia]

it is no big deal, everything is fine there... until it is not

[keen vapor]

This is
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h_zjCfNyTSg

[keen vapor]

[ivory violet]

Made in abyss is one of my favorite works of fiction but it's hard to recommend

[stable hazel]

Best team to counter to this?

[lone sequoia]

ele%?

wait... siren p1 xd

[gritty ridge]

Ok chat

[lunar pawn]

indom tvesti works

[gritty ridge]

Sacc scar on defense

[lone sequoia]

SG comp should work

[stable hazel]

ok

[keen vapor]

Abusable by Scar siren Trina

Scar low ammo ofc

[lone sequoia]

echo and his unpaid job

[keen vapor]

NGV will disagree to that

[lone sequoia]

no new treasures? i still have like +10 mold of each manufacture (+23pilgrim)

[lone sequoia]

??

[glad meteor]

If siren is p1. She better just die from scar s2

[keen vapor]

I don't battle at same level range enough to do this

[keen vapor]

Wait next event at least

[lone sequoia]

i hope we don't get the same EVA part 2 delay and get the new chapters next event

[keen vapor]

[lone sequoia]

or they will delay the story another month to keep more content for the next collab

[keen vapor]

My Elysion molds are gone

[stable hazel]

This crushed him easily thanks

[lunar pawn]

guy had 0 survivability outside noah, you had plenty of options

[keen vapor]

1 RL being a myth

[lunar pawn]

find someone with cindy in p1 and it won't be

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

their only B1 is p1, wind code, you know what to do

(scarlet vestiTU drakeT trina jackal)

[versed mesa]

2 years from now, SU has added even more broken comps and we will be asking for 0.5RL, Burst just autofills when match starts

[raven plover]

yea thats elegg treasure

[versed mesa]

I'm not gonna lie, when Elegg first came out and I saw that she instantly fills burst, I was "That's so broken for pvp!" before I realised it doesn't happen in there

Still used her though Because I was as bad at pvp as the rest of the people in my bracket, so all our comps were just PvE copy pastes

[tropic summit]

treasured elegg

[leaden canyon]

whos winning

[keen vapor]

Kisama

[keen vapor]

Cheating

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-smirk-6

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-pirate

[lunar pawn]

attacker should win I think

wins first 3 at least

but I'm not the best to call the fights here

[shell hazel]

I dunno with 1 those SG's can murder helm pretty quick on def

helm is a lot of the gen

for 2 indom SW vs mid speed cindy, will be interesting unsure who will take it not seen enough SW matches play out

3 attacker prob wins with the indom vesti but for either side I think vesti + emi splash could screw up p1 - p3 a bit

4 I've seen both sides win this, it depends on invest maybe

5 def wins

[umbral crown]

once again... the loser frame path

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

[oblique gyro]

@shell hazel i just got the +10 core dust /h

[shell hazel]

grats! big win

behemoth waiting room next

[glad meteor]

Behemoth is fun times

[leaden canyon]

I was also leaning towards winning but maybe its more 50/50

[swift mango]

congrats stranger

[oblique gyro]

[swift mango]

[upbeat dock]

What outpost level is that at?

[oblique gyro]

534

or 533

[swift mango]

instant EX tier

A long way ahead to finally have her built

[shell hazel]

mad lad!

[swift mango]

I will probably have to delay treasure Elegg ...

[umbral crown]

why not 7-7-7

blue and purple books are not an issue anymore

[swift mango]

Well I just used my books during solo raid to skill level 7 a bunch of units so I'm lacking them now as well

She would be 7107 later ofc when I have the books

Still need to s3lv10 my snow whit

[umbral crown]

waos

[gritty ridge]

No I didnt

[raven plover]

sr 15? Im still holding my treasure mats cus surely next update we get new treasures

[keen vapor]

What have you done

[swift mango]

64% Ele and 34% AtK not strong enough to kill SW.

[swift mango]

The self stun of her is a blunder.

If only she didn't have that

[keen vapor]

The what

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

Now I don't like her

[swift mango]

She guarded ada from Rosa but not from SG.

[keen vapor]

[glad meteor]

Sw removing conceal rip

[tropic summit]

...damn he's still building her

[leaden canyon]

Is that SP?

or rookie

[tropic summit]

ya need to run rosa linked against swha, she pops her cloak

ran in the same issue myself against other ppl, no longer lethal on water code if SWHA pops rosa cloak

[leaden canyon]

Will the nayuta ros helmT SWHA/Emilia jackal team work

[tropic summit]

against what?

[swift mango]

Are you sure about that? It's 5m hit there.

Still lose.

[leaden canyon]

Nvm there is a noah

I didn't notice that

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Shud be 2 numeros

[leaden canyon]

Btw I used that anchor team on defense and it worked

[tropic summit]

link rosanna and you'll win i literally have same opponent in rookie

noah biscuit helmt ros jackal

[tropic summit]

ye if they don't double buff scarlet i think it counters even weakly built vestiTU without ada buff

[swift mango]

You see, my team didn't even have B2.

[tropic summit]

why you even running B2less anyway

[swift mango]

I was testing dmg. Rosa one shot SW easily there.

[tropic summit]

but without cloak she doesn't anymore, that's what u testing?

@leaden canyon the ideal would be testing it against ur rival, specifically against blanc only vestiTU and blanc + ada vestiTU

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

that was a crit tho

do it without critteroni...

[swift mango]

Look at HelmT she has more HP than SW max core and all.

[leaden canyon]

I know it survives against unbuffed vesti, this was against the other guy though

[swift mango]

He also 40 level above mine

[tropic summit]

gotta test it against ur rival, he's worthy

[glad meteor]

Scar s2 bit sw well too

[swift mango]

That was SW bit SW

And Noir buff

[tropic summit]

remove scarlet so you can prove it
and show a non crit at that

[swift mango]

Like I said. His HelmT has more HP than SW.

[glad meteor]

sw plus scar s2 with noir buff

[leaden canyon]

You know whats weird? I switched to this for defense and it worked

Was this before

[tropic summit]

this one has better lasting buff than the other

(in the moran team)

think he's struggling with T2 and T3

T1 is kinda no brain if really 3RL

[leaden canyon]

yeah it is

I might as well use lib honestly

[tropic summit]

nah don't that's even weaker

you should make a rosanna glass cannon team

you've emilia lappy ros open

[leaden canyon]

oh yeah he copied my ros team and I used this to kill it

[umbral crown]

[leaden canyon]

So I guess I just do noise noah biscuit emilia lap?

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmm

[leaden canyon]

or I can do sbs

[tropic summit]

sbs is even weaker than lib

[leaden canyon]

I know biscuit messes it up but the team already has more problems

[tropic summit]

tbh im thinking you could slow cindy

did you use it b4 against him?

[leaden canyon]

oh true that is open with nayuta

[leaden canyon]

hmm I have but not with these other two team with it

idk if he was beating or skipping it

[tropic summit]

booly him with dis

[leaden canyon]

[cedar sorrel]

Basically Never

[tropic summit]

there's another pattern you can switch to once he beats this

[leaden canyon]

yeee its slow cindy

[tropic summit]

which is midhara instead of siren

but go with siren first

[leaden canyon]

You know hes actually used this before

so hes familiar with running it but I have never ran it

[tropic summit]

if he knows he'll lib/scarlet it

if he doesn't he'll waste a few attempts perhaps

[leaden canyon]

yeah I lib it

I guess I just put noah back instead of anchor then?

if I run this

[tropic summit]

why, T3 i doubt it has failed no?

ironically i think anchor version is better than noah until he figures it out

[leaden canyon]

well isn't noah a stronger option than anchor?

[tropic summit]

situationally no

[leaden canyon]

yeah see idk, hard to say

[tropic summit]

this is the other cindy pattern in case

it tries to get cindy and rumani invulnerable if he doesn't 1hitko

[tropic summit]

imo you gotta keep switching

if it breaks rotate the patterns with moran/noah - moran - manchor and slow cindy nayuta siren and slow cindy nayuta midhara

indom vestiTU can stay as is because it's expensive

although he may figure out a mirror indom that can outlast it which is a tad cheaper than running 2RL ros

you can mitigate it then by running SWHA as flex instead of lappy, then it costs him ros + jackal

[leaden canyon]

I'm kinda surprised with his ros he didn't get two wins when I was running that 3RL cindy team

[tropic summit]

he's screwing up somewhere or brute forcing it

[leaden canyon]

did take him 5 tries to figure this out

[tropic summit]

if he's brute forcing, changing it up like above will likely get you more def wins

[leaden canyon]

Like its been a long time since its taken him that many tries so I was surprised

Usually he breaks it after failing once

[tropic summit]

it's a combo of having a good box and good invest

your CS% also helps

notably your moran and vestiTU

your emi and rosanna are also a problem

[leaden canyon]

I should probably work on trina cs and anchor cs

[tropic summit]

facing a rosanna that can 1hit ko non water code units on near full hp adds a good chunk of difficulty

anchor nah, trina sure

anchor is kind of meme-ish, it's just that he's unfamiliar with the right counter

[swift mango]

Finally got a team for Label. Guess I would change team against next CA.

[leaden canyon]

Trina cs would put me at 175% 2.5

is that 1.8 or 1.7

Yes those quantums actually matter

@tropic summit This team kinda crazy lmao

I need cs on trina

[low zephyr]

Hello all~
This is my current SA deck… is there any weirdness on it? (Trying to learn how to build SA deck and this is what I came up with while using my built up nikkes from SR and Stage ><)

[swift mango]

Why is my Rosa hitting biscuit instead of Jackal here? It's not according to your logic.

[leaden canyon]

Because biscuit will have more attack than a defender

[swift mango]

Rosa doesn't hit using ATK

[worthy knoll]

Jackal Biscuit SAnis, P1 P2

[eager mountain]

it did hit jackel

[worthy knoll]

Nothing is wrong? What is wrong there?

[leaden canyon]

Oh right when the targets are dead the targeting changes

[swift mango]

It hit Biscuit and SW. It should hit Jackal by what you wrote

[worthy knoll]

Jackal and Biscuit got Rosanna-ed

It hit Jackal wdym?

[swift mango]

Biscuit and SW.

[swift mango]

Okay that 1.3m was Scarlet counter I misread it as 13m

[leaden canyon]

did rrh die before ros went off

[swift mango]

Yeah, I misread the dmg.

[eager mountain]

[swift mango]

And SW too apparently

[leaden canyon]

[swift mango]

[worthy knoll]

It became all supporter defender part now, so P1 P2 is correct

Coz RRH and SW died before Ros bursted

[leaden canyon]

yeah makes sense

[swift mango]

Yeah, I misread 1.3m as 13m and thought it was Rosa dmg instead of scar counter

My bad

[leaden canyon]

whats the team

I really shouldn't overload more units though lmao

[swift mango]

A kind of not so slow Cindy.

[leaden canyon]

Oh the one that kicks blanc out?

[swift mango]

Sure it kick more than just Blanc out.

[leaden canyon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/lol-futurama-humor-cFgb5p5e1My3K

[worn ridge]

Anu way to counter this no rossana , my friend its 561lvl

[swift mango]

With SW around I think I will have to get 4th ele for Rosa.

Because I not sure Rosa will cirt

[leaden canyon]

Yeah its probably better to just more ele

[swift mango]

Moran - Same team but burst with SW instead.
Noise - 2rl Scar Trina it.
Same team but Blanc instead of Nayuta

[noble hatch]

Good morning to all my dear PvPer. Lets go for Top 64!

https://youtu.be/5PwqRm0qSuA

[noble hatch]

At first glance, you will win for Team 1,2,4 and maybe 5

[swift mango]

@hollow lagoon this guy disagree with your assessment of label. Go get him.

[leaden canyon]

Btw I have a question from a friend where their friend is asking what happened and idk 100% what happened

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055331187561873448/1462107463263191051/ScreenRecording_01-17-2026_07-07-29_1.mov?ex=696cfd2f&is=696babaf&hm=7ef6bf16342c9e1dccb0121633ec02aa327c0ae2a511815ca9b831fea3c82c48&

" Can someone help me understand what’s going on here? Indom should be applied to Vesti rather than Emilia, since Jackal’s link should be on Vesti and Emilia. However, in the clip, the link appears to be on Vesti and Xmaiden, even though Emilia’s attack is higher than Xmaiden’s. I’m not sure why this is happening."

@swift mango @tropic summit

Guess I should also ping @worthy knoll

[noble hatch]

Cooking some beef hahaha

[swift mango]

Unlinked Emi got shot by Libby and got indom.

[noble hatch]

Technically Jackal's skill is to linked with top 2 highest attack. However, during the actual fight, you must consider their own skill and various skill that may boost their final attack. Thats why it happen as happened.

[worthy knoll]

Err simple.. coz Emi has the lowest hp when Blanc bursted

[leaden canyon]

Right shes unlinked but the question is shouldn't emi and vesti be linked becasue the others are defenders

[vapid lake]

OL gear brick

[leaden canyon]

I asked them to ask their friend if xmaiden actually has more attack

[worthy knoll]

Or you mean the link?

[leaden canyon]

yeah the link is in question

[swift mango]

Because
#pvp-arena message

[worthy knoll]

Then check their attack numbers and OL lines

[leaden canyon]

Ok so it was because she just straight up has more attack lol

That was my initial response but I just wasn't 100% sure because thats so rare to see

Thanks guys

[noble hatch]

Link with highest attack, not attacker

[swift mango]

It wasn't actually a brick with low attack Emi.
It's the best for
Noise+Vesti+Emi+Bay+Jackal team.

[worthy knoll]

If CA numbers go to Blabla link, slide it to 400 sync each, compute the atk number shown there as base (original - reduced atk coz of lowing sync)

[leaden canyon]

Alright I'll pass that along

[leaden canyon]

Yeah thats why I asked them to check the OL gear first

I just wasn't 100% if that was what was going on though is all

[noble hatch]

PvP has many interaction

[swift mango]

@leaden canyon or you could replace Noise with Label. Somewhat.

[swift mango]

There is no such interaction right now to lower single enemy ATK before link.

[noble hatch]

In order to avoid this in the future, make sure your top 2 attack has a gap between the 3rd highest attack character.

[noble hatch]

Noted, i remember there's lowering in def. If thats the case then the opponent shouldnt play a part in your outcome

[worthy knoll]

Lets wait until SU gives us a unit with an on entry atk debuff on a unit with insert parameters

[swift mango]

Just throw them in Shooting range. Where @tropic summit dwells.

[leaden canyon]

Thats what I told my friend to tell their friend

[worthy knoll]

Though I doubt so, pretty much useless for PVE

[leaden canyon]

This is what I said

[swift mango]

Reduce both ATK and DEF by 99% upon entry.

[noble hatch]

for 1 or 2 sec

[swift mango]

10 sec

[worthy knoll]

Better in AI, better for numbers at sync 400

Assuming its only bricked in CA

[leaden canyon]

Ooo thats actually smart didn't think of that

[swift mango]

Maiden bait dispel from Emi so she keeps the label stack and survive Rosa.

Low AtK Emi/SW/HelmT is the new high now. I'm going to roll of the slot 1 ATK from Emi that took me 50 rocks to get

[noble hatch]

Why are u lowering her atk?

[leaden canyon]

Noise+Vesti+Emi+Bay+Jackal Probably so noise gets hit with vesti, thats all I can think of

Noise linked with jackal

tanky af

[noble hatch]

Looks tanky enough

[hollow lagoon]

01001001 01110100 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01101001 01110011

[unique wagon]

Jusr wait till we get anti stun

So we can have perma shield Label

OP

[umbral crown]

Xmica coming back

[unique wagon]

Hmm?

Oh ye funny thing the stun is counted as buff so Rosa dispels it

[leaden canyon]

Would you guys run SWHA with tempering or quantum to b1 before rosanna

[umbral crown]

Tempura to everyrhing

[unique wagon]

Which is funny

[leaden canyon]

Even though I could moran b1 before rosanna?

[quartz rover]

For some reason I cant get bay to burst before a siren stun

No matter how much cs the team has or quantum cubes

[leaden canyon]

hmm b1 moran before rosanna nets me 25.45% damage reduction on SWHA and trina with qunatums on them and makes sure that helm doesn't get one shot for sure

[quartz rover]

It's always EXACTLY before burst 2

[unique wagon]

What other cube will u use thiugh

If its not Tempura

[leaden canyon]

Its quantum on SWHA and trina to make it burst this quick

I'll show you what its like without both quantums

[leaden canyon]

I also dont get frames before scarlet bursts to build up HP

[unique wagon]

Does the quantum have an impact tho

[leaden canyon]

the red line

[unique wagon]

Which color is urs again

[leaden canyon]

Defender is the red line so my b1 goes off just before 2RL speed

Red/orangeish line

that one

so there is a difference in speed

[swift mango]

if the b1 is moran, go for it

[leaden canyon]

Right, but look at the speeds here

I will be more protected with damage reduction at the start to prevent rosanna from one shotting and have more frames to build up HP before scarlet burst

[umbral crown]

even if no moran, i go for tempura all the way

[hidden mortar]

donate 100 tempura batteries pls

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-i-see-gif-25052382

[leaden canyon]

I lose 9.69% damage reduction on SWHA and trina but I will have 35% damage reduction from moran at the start instead

I feel like thats a better trade off with being able to also build up anchor HP before scarlet burst

also my b3 goes off before theirs so scarlet can die before burst

the more I talk about it the more I should just do this

[unique wagon]

Time to test both for sdience

Let us know

For science

[leaden canyon]

I have some examples of this team already if you want to see

[unique wagon]

Hmmm

[leaden canyon]

Just not against scar ros

It made rail laugh lmao

It survived unbuffed vesti

It also did this

I thought I recorded the vesti one but I guess I didn't

[swift mango]

yeah, that's what I meant

[leaden canyon]

ahh

[swift mango]

[quartz rover]

who gets the cs so bay bursts before siren stun?

b2 happens as soon as stun happens

[swift mango]

rumani and 1 of biscuit/bay need 11%+

[quartz rover]

does the 3.5 from quantum contribute to that?

[swift mango]

no, it's charge speed.

[leaden canyon]

It can but depends

[quartz rover]

I unfortunately used all my stones on vesti so i'll have to wait

[leaden canyon]

For this team quantum made me faster

[quartz rover]

atleast besti has a black atk line

[swift mango]

need to put quantum on everyone or use Nikke.deck to see the %

base on the chart alone, no

[leaden canyon]

the chart changes though if I remove the quantums

Is chart lying

[swift mango]

I mean his chart.
he could put quantum on to check but without doing so and no % like nikke.deck, no one know

[leaden canyon]

ahh

I need my maid anchor at sr15 now for this team

new round of treasures no where in sight

maybe I just send it

[umbral crown]

in 2 months, trust

[keen vapor]

Wait

Just, wait

[leaden canyon]

I probably should yeah

I have a good amount of pvp units sr15 already, centi is like the only normaly used one thats not sr15 besides like soda also

Watch us get maiden treasure

[umbral crown]

[leaden canyon]

my core 7 maiden would be eating

[umbral crown]

same

[keen vapor]

Can my Novel eat something?

[leaden canyon]

I legit forgot she existed

[umbral crown]

no