pvp-arena

[limpid urchin]

Is the normal scarlet better then scarlet: black shadow?
For comp's with Jackal and similar teams.

[wild hemlock]

The math is literally right there without charge cube

[raven plover]

its individual round up. if there are same values, add them first then round it up

[late tiger]

Now thats a weird way to math
Any reason same values are added and then rounded up?

[wild hemlock]

[late tiger]

So 4.92+4.92= 9.84 ~ 10%
4.63+5.51= 10.14% (rounded up? To 11%)
= 21?

[raven plover]

4.63 = 5
5.51 = 6
4.92 + 4.92 = 9.84 = 10

[wild hemlock]

^

[late tiger]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Archimedes is rotating in his grave

I could use him as dynamo

[wheat karma]

I have gotten a few new units and was wondering what the best special arena teams I could make are?

[low ridge]

Any tips on how to beat this in rookie arena?

[crystal flicker]

You're lose against that?

Your current comp seems fine

[low ridge]

I do and I don’t understand why haha

I tried to mirror it and still lose even when I have higher power

[crystal flicker]

No Trina? also I don't see investment for a lot of them
You can use VesTac Blanc Jackal, but because you don't have investment, this will drag you down CP deficit
Tbh for now just auto until you invested enough to PvP

Also Nayuta RedHood + Battery is 1 good comp

[crystal flicker]

Did Lib failed to wipe them?

Seems like your comp isn't fast enough

[low ridge]

Hmm think this might be the case

Maybe will try jackal over siren yeah?

[crystal flicker]

Change Siren to Rumani/Jackal and put her on P1

If you use Jackal, you can change Biscuit to Siren

[low ridge]

Cool thanks for the advice will give it a shot

[shell hazel]

eh a little maybe they still go up though, just I've been a bit quicker than them for a while

usually within about 9 or 10 sync, they prob didn't do the hard mode bits yet

[tropic summit]

it's siren in p3, prevent them from bursting altogether by killing her early

• scarlet vestiTU jackal helmT noah (assumes scarlet is linked)
• noise noah vestiTU helmT emilia

alternatively let them burst and out trade with sustain

• moran noah helmT vestiTU rapunzel (vesti assumed 5-8%CS)

[strong hull]

Rail chan

Give me ur 3 defs

[tropic summit]

i don't have defs anymore, i've ran over 20 variations that i keep changing if they ever break

on the top of my head run this one, looks fun

#pvp-arena message

[strong hull]

[rich ledge]

I lost with these both teams, vesti with indom doesn't indom long enough is killed once indom runs out

[shell hazel]

it's noah at p1 just siren/vesti it

I doubt noah links with jackal

[ivory mango]

@tropic summit

you here ?

I need new def teams

see now I'm at the top and while I survive just for 30s I need new def teams

[rich ledge]

Oh I forgot about siren

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit vestiTU helmT RH, you'll out trade

[tropic summit]

yeah you're not defending against those

[ivory mango]

[tropic summit]

they sneeze and your def falls

[ivory mango]

let me get new def teams then onegai
maybe not against top 5 but top 10

[tropic summit]

post your box ma dear french baguette man

[ivory mango]

in short I have everyone decently invested

take your time

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta centi helmt rh emi
• jackal siren scarlet trina drakeT
• noise rumani vestiTU lappy noah

pray for the best

[rich ledge]

I had many peaceful days now I'm attacked again

So I'm back in the channel haha

[ivory mango]

cubes ?

[tropic summit]

nayuta any
centi any
helmt temp
rh any
emi any

jackal quantum
siren temp
scarlet any
trina quantum
drakeT quantum

noise vigor
rumani temp
vesti temp
laplace any
noah temp

[ivory mango]

not enough temp slots

[tropic summit]

give it to siren rumani and noah then

rest run vigor or any high lvl cube

[ivory mango]

ok ty

4.7m power and a dream to defend

[tropic summit]

you're not defending against ch2 and ch3, the rest maybe you will

[shell hazel]

does a king let their subjects attack them? no!

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-crown-laugh-nikke-crown-crown-nikke-gif-8761959557614141076

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit Btw I have a vid to show you, I forgot to show how lib team did

[tropic summit]

oh oke we're still too fast

thanks for sharing

maybe when su decides to release another immortal unit...

(you don't have makima)

[rich ledge]

Oh well I might need new defense teams

Any idea for an update?

[gaunt pulsar]

you need siren to negate his noah, or different nuke without such large delay, which you have neither of

no cindy either

[rich ledge]

He only has one b3 probably can snipe with Rosanna?

[glad meteor]

He’s low sync. No invested ros yet

No noah/blanc or new vesti

ItS over

[gaunt pulsar]

he shouldn't catch her if he was real 3rl btw, but he is not, he is slightly faster, closer to 2.5

[glad meteor]

Depends on the supports, they have biscuit there so

Jackal vesti blanc (clip rl) helm(treasure)

Or mirror with vesti or summer anis

Vesti alt, not old vesti

[gaunt pulsar]

she hits p1 p2 p3 due to her splash and their lib is unprotected, also ele advantage

[glad meteor]

Blanc has an ability where she gives the nikke with lowest hp 10s immortality

When vesti bursts she hits all positions and can kill the team

No good ones

[gaunt pulsar]

you can try this and pray hope something dies, but i doubt there would be enough dmg to pass through his dps before his noah bursts

better record and watch what happens also

yeah you can b1+b2 before his noah, but just not enough dmg to kill with just ros+nayuta alone, and frankly not worth it rn, he also has like 25% more hp than you due to levels alone

should have told you to did it like this btw* but forgor, your rosa loses conceal due to RL splash at your p1+p2 so her burst deals less, but it's hardly matters in this case also better positions for jackal link so they feed you more

[limpid trail]

on the nikke-deck website what does the book and lightning bolt mean?

[gaunt pulsar]

book is skill level, it changes if you press it for some character, lightning is charge speed

[limpid trail]

so for treasure helm i can switch it between book and bolt, cause i have all her skills maxed i should keep her on bolt?

[gaunt pulsar]

book is just skill level 10, so it's her baseline, lightning is like 11% more cs on top to reach 2.5rl timeframe with 3rd shot

i usually check with nikke.top, nikke deck* is a little bit un-intuitive for cs stuff

[limpid trail]

yeh i was to update my pvp teams and thought i try the websites pinned and say nikke-deck has a team vs team so i wanted to try that but it dont tell you what any of the symbols mean

my jackal only has a 9% cs buff from gear atm so she shouldnt have a lightning until its at least 11%?

[gaunt pulsar]

it's in the corner but they expect you to know what CS abbreviation of to begin with

[limpid trail]

yeh i guessed from that that the book might be skill level but it gives 4/5 numbers for the charge speeds

[gaunt pulsar]

jackal lightning is 18% min

[limpid trail]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[gloomy robin]

is it shown anywhere what the lightning value is for each character?

[gaunt pulsar]

no

but in general for rl to reach 3rd shot within 2.5rl timeframe they need 18% afaik, not sure if there exceptions, like I said i just use nikke.work or nikke.top for stuff like this, can see directly what effect cs has
Emilia probably exception* but anyone hardly has her it seems and lapT on 15% is fine instead of 18

[limpid trail]

whats nikke.top?

[gaunt pulsar]

like a mirror of nikke.work with latest characters

[marble saddle]

Anyone got any advice on how i approach team 3? i need vesti for t1
unless i try to aim for killing everyone except moran in t1 then gangup on her 1 vs 5
in which cause i can move vesti to t3

[gloomy robin]

I see, thanks. I just did a comparison now between nikke work and nikke deck, and while on deck my team has 100.47% 2 RL, on nikke work my B1 happens at 2.9 sec (being in the middle between 2rl and 3rl). Shouldn't it start at the 2RL point on the chart? Or I'm missing smth

[hollow lagoon]

Black magic….

[gaunt pulsar]

probably missing something, show both

[limpid trail]

is the url just https://nikke.top ?

[gaunt pulsar]

yea

[limpid trail]

hmm, page doesnt load for me

[shell hazel]

the old 5-0 lol

[gaunt pulsar]

not sure why

[shell hazel]

I'm fightin blanc guy in the final as predicted

[gaunt pulsar]

both 2rl, let me explain

[shell hazel]

speed is burst ready not b1 speed

burst ready > b1 > b2 > b3 - there are delays in each step

[umbral belfry]

bully

zant and hippo in finals

[limpid trail]

oh, seems to be cause of my vpn, loaded right away on edge (use that for bypassing vpn)

[hollow lagoon]

Rumani soloed their vesti team

[hollow lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1442625973458698311/1de24351352ac65c748db56bbdf2b21192138a81.gif

[shell hazel]

moran guy in the final gonna be about as tough as it can be

they are like 4 x winner by now

[gloomy robin]

oooh... I thought it refered to b1. Makes sense

[crystal flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-punch-ground-punching-ground-it-shouldve-been-me-it-shouldve-been-me-not-him-gif-18069003738146878767

I haven't really analyze his comp

[hollow lagoon]

So it is

[shell hazel]

nah as usual I won't either, rng all the way

[dim escarp]

thx for the credit again

[dim escarp]

[crystal flicker]

Where are you tho

[dim escarp]

I lost badly, you don't want to see trust me

But I ll come back

[shell hazel]

you welcome 🙂
I'll reply to dm in a bit I'm at work just had to see how my teams did lol

[dim escarp]

sure tyt

[crystal flicker]

I was experimenting with Lib stall counter, but that comp lost against Scarlet 2RL sadly

[dim escarp]

next time I ll experiment cooking something

[crystal flicker]

The moment I ditch La+, comp will slow down

[shell hazel]

I need a bit more CS on Helm she carries the 2.5RL on helm etc

[crystal flicker]

No, it's Rapunzel

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah, hippo already explained, but basically you burst is where vertical line is, but due to delays between actions your actual bursts happen a little bit later
dots on the graph for your nikkes are actual hits, not when they shoot, so rl shot flight time already accounted for, but for bursts it's showed when they activate not when actual effect or hit happens, so usually you should apply around 6f or 0.1s delay to each burst on top of what nikke.work shows, and for b3 burst there quite a few units that have ~30f delay like cindy or some have it split in to multiple hits, libe is our longest delay with 60f according to my calcs, so for her actual hit happens 60f after rightmost blue dot on the graph

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel I think my Noah will die to the max core vesti

[dim escarp]

Believe in your Noah!

||It's over ||

[hollow lagoon]

It lived 3 vesti comp already Tis done the job

[dim escarp]

[hollow lagoon]

max core vesti will be a first

if it lives then gg

if not then i guess i should raise her gear level

[shell hazel]

wonder how Rosy did

[gloomy robin]

ty for the rundown. As for libe, 60f sounds relatively long. Does she work better in stall comps? I'm trying to make a team with Moran so maybe they would pair well?

[gaunt pulsar]

works as burst gen and second b3 as far as i understand, but i haven't played her in that yet

depends on what you attacking, if there no noah she can burst first

[hollow lagoon]

welp

[dim escarp]

just pray she's max core but poorly invest

[hollow lagoon]

[dim escarp]

[hollow lagoon]

how tf are these people having all max dolls

[gaunt pulsar]

Zanta here plays his salad with libe as you can see, can ask him

[dim escarp]

they only invest pvp I guess

[hollow lagoon]

@gloomy robin trust the salad

[dim escarp]

with the 5 team I cook for the next one I'll be close to max doll everywhere

3 nikke remaning

[hollow lagoon]

#pvp-arena message

[gloomy robin]

what's a salad these code names go over my head

[hollow lagoon]

#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message

[hollow lagoon]

salad#pvp-arena message

[shell hazel]

I ran her in CA as nero moran helmt rapu lib but I only needed her burst once

otherwise she is just off-burst dps/flex

nero moran etc is expensive comp many non-CA players won't have them invested

[dim escarp]

damn just in time

[gloomy robin]

me bow before you

[hollow lagoon]

idk if it be wise to make helm tank

[gloomy robin]

yea I don't have nero invested in, only moran like till sr5 doll and overloaded gear

[hollow lagoon]

but noah p2 is kinda too risky i dont like it

[shell hazel]

most people aren't building stall comp if not serious on pvp

[tropic summit]

they're super slow for T3, scar jack on double buff or stall them out with moran + noah on same speed and DPS B3

[hollow lagoon]

dont need nero now days

trust salad

also 7/7/10 moran

6/6/6noah

[gloomy robin]

ah no Ada here, so this is a no go sadly.

[hollow lagoon]

idk who instead of ada

mana?

[gloomy robin]

do have but uninvested. Long term it could work

[gaunt pulsar]

why do you even need ada here? wouldn't any rl would work?

[hollow lagoon]

ada grant helm atk buff and life steal, watch the match against indom vesti, she heals half her hp per shot vesti literal cant kill her

[marble saddle]

If I go with the first option do I aim for 2RL or 2.5 RL?

[gaunt pulsar]

hmm, i see, i guess, would just rapu instead then

[hollow lagoon]

could roll dis

less offensive but gets insurance on noah

[hollow lagoon]

anyways, helm get ada buff, ada gets helm and lib buff, ada still proc grenades just in 2 sec interval instead of 1

[gaunt pulsar]

oh well, ada skipped

[hollow lagoon]

think i need more quantum slots if i wanna keep noah in p2

[gloomy robin]

I might put this on hold for the time being until I have a properly invested mana I guess

[hollow lagoon]

could prob run rapun

but wont insure u for noah

[gaunt pulsar]

soline?

[tropic summit]

scarlet needs to be 2RL, either natural or via feed, ensure you're double buffing her

Scar trina rh flex jackal (scarlet needs to be linked, run in union shooting range to confirm with w/e you running as flex)

[hollow lagoon]

could work but the idea is not there anymore, my team's point was to create a very strong helm with back end pressure from lib and ada

wonder if bay could work better

not nuff gen for 2rl

sad universe

but could make 2,5

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah, your's variant does what it needs, replacing someone is hard

[hollow lagoon]

didnt know that version can win to begin with

was plesant suprise

[ivory mango]

@tropic summit
still surviving

[lusty gull]

[tropic summit]

glad they're 🐒

[ivory mango]

I won't hold till reset though let's be honest

still
I reached top 1 in a whale pool

it's enough for me

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[shell hazel]

[hollow lagoon]

top is attack right?

[shell hazel]

it is

[hollow lagoon]

i think..... my 4 and 5 is dead for sure, 3 depends on if they kill my scar prob can win 1 and 2?

[tropic summit]

if you win this CA, next CA you gonna see that emma in a lot of SG comps

real propaganda

[hollow lagoon]

do u think i can win rail

[tropic summit]

"bro look at this cook, you see dis shiet? dayum emma meta!"

[tropic summit]

who's attack and who's defense

[hollow lagoon]

i'm def

or i think i'm def

i was delusional once so i wouldent know anymore

that max core vesti gonna blow my noah to bits unless some miricle happens for t5

[gaunt pulsar]

you will know in 5m, left and right is easier to see, but i think top/bottom also follows pattern of attack top/def bottom

[hollow lagoon]

no i asked the hippo

@shell hazel is always right

[tropic summit]

last question, are you 2RL on T5?

[hollow lagoon]

yes

but noah no tempering, i dont expect noah to live

u can mark t5 dead for me

[shell hazel]

left/top is attack, right/bottom is def

[tropic summit]

are you sure you're 2RL?

if your B2 doesn't get going, you're f*ed

@hollow lagoon

leaning toward loss, if i've to be honest, but there's a lot of RNG factors in T3 and T1

meaning it could still happen

[lone sequoia]

same match up in T5?

[tropic summit]

e.g. soda dying to scar s2 and laplace is quite real

[hollow lagoon]

but i'm predicting my noah being dead

[tropic summit]

nikke deck should be accurate, if you're 2RL noah lives

[lone sequoia]

i would say
R1 B
R2 B
R3--- now rh in DEF--- A/B (cheap dmg)
R4-A
R5-B

[tropic summit]

if noah dies you're screwed

so you better hope she's core 7 on SR15

[hollow lagoon]

i know kek

[lone sequoia]

if siren stun p1 attack p2, right?

[tropic summit]

the issue with mdihara team is that if she dies pre stun it goes to blanc

at that point if stun expires before he casts B2, he'll be ok

if stun is still in effect and he bursts with biscuit, he may not out trade

[hollow lagoon]

mmmm

[lone sequoia]

she will tank to 3RL against that team

[tropic summit]

the whole reason why blanc slow cindy is better than nayuta slow cindy is because blanc will outlast

if he loses that card, it could get ugly

it will come down regardless to a cindy duel

and the one who burst for last will have decoy, while other won't

albeit it will be partially damaged

[hollow lagoon]

welp self bettism

[tropic summit]

then again zant is a filthy whale on core 7

he might just win by invest on t1 and t3

[hollow lagoon]

the other guy is also a filthy whale with core 7 nayuta

[lone sequoia]

i lost my first cheer in some months

[tropic summit]

not as filthy as you

[hollow lagoon]

no i'm beautiful

[dim escarp]

Mr Rail have you seen my dm

[hollow lagoon]

i started with mlb cindy

[lone sequoia]

dic-pic(?

[hollow lagoon]

i core 7 her with the power of love

[dim escarp]

obviously

[lone sequoia]

enough to write "railtracerftw"

[hollow lagoon]

@lone sequoia i think my t5 is prob dead, core 7 vesti prob kill my noah, i lived with like 10% ish hp against a core 1 last match

[lone sequoia]

i was about to ask you for that fight video next reset, last time your team won but now i think is just a investment match up

[hollow lagoon]

next time ill have helm tank p2 prob

[tropic summit]

he beat em with his large e-peen

e-peen diffed 🥒

[hollow lagoon]

theat vesti gonna get feed to 2rl i think

or not? ada steal noise link?

oh

high core noise low core ada, well played

[lone sequoia]

low cp?

just check cp

[tropic summit]

he's just broke unlike you

[lone sequoia]

is like 1 skill and no OL

base OL and skills at 4 are like +100k cp

[hollow lagoon]

could be 5 head and having spare bodies

[lone sequoia]

my SR anis was like +110k few months ago

[hollow lagoon]

but kept it this way just for this comp

that also means his ada splash damage gonna be trash

[lone sequoia]

not enough HP or dupes for bay, it will be a vesti ele dmg check

[tropic summit]

if he got to finals, you know that noise is linked

[hollow lagoon]

he kill noah he win, he fail he dies

[lone sequoia]

but if i compare that team with the other team from last round i think the other was better

[hollow lagoon]

the other one is core 1 this is core 7

[tropic summit]

wouldn't be so sure about that, bay will tank your helmt nuke if he's 2RL

[hollow lagoon]

nope

[tropic summit]

after that he has hyperbuffed vestiTU on true damage

[hollow lagoon]

already killed one

[lone sequoia]

is a fight for the next 5~7sec

bay last around 5sec if you don't invest much on the team

vesti must kill a unit with her 3rd combo or rip

[tropic summit]

vesti is on lifesteal, he better pray his moran doesn't melt in 5s

but you know again this is a core 7 filth whale we talkin' about

common sense and reasoning probably won't apply

[hollow lagoon]

ur right

my t5 could just die regardless

[tropic summit]

if anything it's a popcorn worthy match

your opponent isn't an idiot

[tropic summit]

that's adaless

that one is gonna matter

[hollow lagoon]

ye

[lone sequoia]

how much was ada buff atk& at lv1?

[hollow lagoon]

he's a whale prob maxed

just skill

wearing orange gear to link noise

[lone sequoia]

no OL but high skill lvl

how good is your helm/lib cheap dmg?

[keen vapor]

XP is going to get me out of top 6 bc he can defeat Abathur and I get 3 red against him

[lone sequoia]

cs+ele+atk and crit rate or just 4cs+some atk/ele?

[hollow lagoon]

2 ele 3 atk helm 4 cs

lib is 3 atk 1 cs

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/survive-robert-downey-jr-tropic-thunder-kirk-lazarus-gif-3451974

[lone sequoia]

good units then

[hollow lagoon]

literal my best unit lel, i have issues getting good rolls

2 ele sbs

[lone sequoia]

ada buff is +35%atk at lv1

[lone sequoia]

all my wind units are dead

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/JtHoCtaLHZ4?si=XNY5yQEeOI6SrJP-

[lone sequoia]

lib took me 100 rocks for her first elemental dmg line

[hollow lagoon]

oh lord

[lone sequoia]

she also got 4atk- i think it was 3 time atk first line

[hollow lagoon]

i dont plan to get my lib to 4 ele atm

[lone sequoia]

lib crit on helm/rapu?

my most expensive unit is helm and she looks average

around +350rocks

[spiral onyx]

I don't get the Natuya SG comp. Isn't it short burst gen to 2RL on 1 death?

[tropic summit]

i think the plan there is to out trade against mirror SG and add a pseudo indom against scar teams (nayuta can solo vs scarlet as long as you sacc to 2RL)

[lone sequoia]

4 quantum?

[spiral onyx]

Rosanna is +36.54%. Not enough for 2RL

[tropic summit]

in both cases it accounts for units dying on both sides, that's more than enough

SGs will die before rosanna dies, which gets you to B1 then B2 with nayuta

[lone sequoia]

is not 2RL(?) looks like a bit slower than your team

[shell hazel]

my SG nayuta lost before because my ros commit sudoku against scar counters :9

nayuta can solo but not if I don't get to b2

[tropic summit]

you're not core 7 on all units like keripo, hippo

[shell hazel]

I could be just gotta 💳

[tropic summit]

detach yourself from the common mortals

[onyx scaffold]

So he really wins

[shell hazel]

my ros is c1 🙁

[tropic summit]

flimsy f2p

[shell hazel]

🙁

one day she'll grow up and have more cores

[tropic summit]

or one day you'll be playing a better game and quit silly cow milkin' indie game

[lone sequoia]

it is hard to balance the match against scarlet, you can proc with a weak SG or your rosanna will die... you can also just boost all the dmg of your SG to tank counters and kill scarlet after trina buff end

[vale fossil]

Ada dif I guess

[lone sequoia]

still a cheap (not that cheap compared to before puppets/tempering) team to use against scarlet or other teams

[fleet acorn]

is SP arena bug? i try to watch a fight but im kicked to the lobby then said SP ranking as changed, and im in my new rank

[placid bloom]

not bugged, you got hit

[fleet acorn]

not what i meant

[placid bloom]

oh you just mean you can't watch replay

[fleet acorn]

no

[placid bloom]

I never seen that happen before

[fleet acorn]

the actual fight, when i atk someone im kicked to lobby, cant watch the fight that i won, and im in the position of the guy i atked when i open arena again

[tropic summit]

ppl used to have this bug long ago but it was fixed by a patch

if it's only happening once and you never run into it again you can ignore it, else report it via ingame support

it can happen also on wonky network or if you got disconnected

[fleet acorn]

it started yesterday, for the past 4 atks

im not being atked at the same time, and the atks go in, i just cant see them as i get kicked out of SP arena

[tropic summit]

open a ticket then, sounds weird

definitely not normal

[umbral crown]

@tropic summit did i lose?

[tropic summit]

yeah, RNG doesn't like you

everytime the reason you lose it's because opponent just gets favourable matchup

[umbral crown]

Should have voted for myself

[tropic summit]

the total BS of CA

[wintry viper]

@tropic summit is a 24% CP difference doable?

in SP Arena

[umbral crown]

There goes my loser frame for another season

[tropic summit]

depends, with nayuta and vestiTU it's doable

[fleet acorn]

im trying but stays blank, and if i click the chrome icon it opens my file explorer

[spiral quail]

Guys, can y'all point me the general direction of best arena teams?

I have almost all Nikke's, considering I started playing 9 months ago

[tropic summit]

see if you can make any of these teams, prefer 2RL and 2.5RL ones

#pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

[spiral quail]

RL being?

[spiral quail]

Also thanks 💜

[tropic summit]

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[tropic summit]

you welcome

[fleet acorn]

does it let you open the customer service center interface? that way i can tell if the feature is broken or my game itself

[tropic summit]

ye i can open it, it seems like it's your game or connection

try repairing or reinstalling and then trying again imo

[fleet acorn]

connection cant be, since all other games work fine, i guess is game

[tropic summit]

oh definitely then

[wintry viper]

@tropic summit out of these 3 i can only beat the 2nd team. My vestiTU dies to the cindy team (1st one)

[tropic summit]

post your box, looks possibly doable

[tropic summit]

post these matchups so we confirm CP

(you're on the left)

[spiral quail]

Okay so I just realised that in SP arena you have 1 attacking and 1 defending team...

[tropic summit]

you've 3 attacking teams and 3 def teams

[wintry viper]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

so... the cindy team is probably gonna be fine although on 20% deficit

the real problem is keeping the left team alive, we need to pad it out

[shell hazel]

@umbral crown

[tropic summit]

change vestiTU team to this and post CP again:

vestiTU blanc RH liberalio jackal

we just need to hit 1060k

in the meantime post the enemy 3rd team CP aswell, maybe it's a bit lower and we can deal with that

[wintry viper]

@tropic summit here's the 3rd team

[tropic summit]

ok forget this one is even worse

let's stick to their cindy team

assemble these 2 and check CP:

• vestiTU blanc RH liberalio jackal
• vestiTU laplaceT lib rh jackal

the second one is likely gonna be in range

[swift mango]

Sh*t it's overflow. 🫠

By 33mins

[tropic summit]

🧱

[wintry viper]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

hmm gonna need to sacc

and pray for the best

[swift mango]

my rosa is only lb1.

[scarlet adder]

2rl cindy would destroy enemy before 3rl blanc indo someone?

[tropic summit]

final draft, T1 is iffy not sure you'll win but worth a shot

cubes for T1:

drakeT temp
vestiTU temp
lib temp
blanc vigor
RH any

[tropic summit]

2RL cindy is iffy against 3RL teams, as they'll still have time to reach B2, you'll want a faster nuker

[swift mango]

I have been close saved for 3 days 94 to 98 %.... and it's finally overflowing today.

[frank ingot]

how to win against this in rookie?

[tropic summit]

blood going to quit

[tropic summit]

assuming vesti is 5-8%CS

noah biscuit vestiTU RH helmT

[wintry viper]

okay, thanks! testing now

[swift mango]

nah just been a filthy casual. I can't even get 3rd ele for my Rapi after 30+ rocks. This game is too hard with my luck.

[tropic summit]

oke record if you can, T1 will be interesting

[frank ingot]

I tried it, here's a vid

should I wait to get sync 580 and try again?

[tropic summit]

18% deficit... you got pretty far considered

if you exit deficit they're ded

or perhaps a tad more ammo on vestiTU

[frank ingot]

ok, I will try that next time, no more attempt. thank you

[swift mango]

The game wanted me to be PvE. +4 her without ever putting her inside wishing list after getting her first copy.

[shell hazel]

become pve main like Rail and I

re-roll global

[tropic summit]

i'm not pve main, i'm shooting range main

[shell hazel]

still pve, no pvp in shooting range :p

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/got-'em-jimmy-dugan-a-league-of-their-own-gotcha-tom-hanks-gif-3457798280583532099

[swift mango]

I'm probably fail today cheer again but I just want to cheer for the guy I want.

[umbral crown]

There will be always a next time

[shell hazel]

I may die in the finals

[swift mango]

Nice unit that we will never get I guess.

[shell hazel]

quite likely

[swift mango]

Okay bro, I get it. My destiny is 2ELe Rapi. I know.

Nah I never got this moment.

Maybe after EoS announcement. Maybe

[marble saddle]

that just mean you have something good to look forward to

[onyx scaffold]

We dont need her

[swift mango]

She look better than 99% characters in this game. But okay.

You know I'm struggling with Rapipi right now. And I never gotten perfect roll for any single units right? Not even my Scarlet after 400+ rocks. let alone reroll attributes. So maybe not flexing me,

[marble saddle]

no today is the first time ive heard about your rapi troubles

i was trying to cheer you up by saying good things happen eventually, but guess it had the opposite effect. My bad bro

[swift mango]

Yeah, my rapi trouble is basically what you quoted.

i need 1 more ele because I want to get to phase 7 of Iron and Fire A.I.
My only unit with 4 ele is SBS.
and peeps get high tier 4 ele 4 atk in 50 rocks then said it wasn't very lucky.

[marble saddle]

Rng is Rng for a reason. sometimes you win. most times you lose

[swift mango]

Someone always wins, I always lose.

[marble saddle]

i have doubts since im the one losing my SPA

[tropic summit]

~~says the 4 times CA winner ~~

[marble saddle]

ah so bro is one of THOSE people huh

[swift mango]

That's because lack of investment in books and times.

[tropic summit]

he's a liar and silly man

[marble saddle]

loss is loss

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[swift mango]

SpA need to dedicate from the start to grind campaign and gem claim or pork out cash. It's no RnG factor. Basically just cash and/or effort.

[marble saddle]

im pretty sure hes the one who advised me to mirror enemy Indom with my indom

[tropic summit]

that's what happens when someone is without noah for over a year

he was running mirror slower indom for way too long

[marble saddle]

yeah seeing as im higher sync than my opponent so id say there wasnt a lack of effort
just that my effort went to other things. but no matter. some losses are a good lesson

[swift mango]

The same with Arena knowledge, it's just times to learn. Since you have no video guide to cope down like PvE, it's to read the theory and experiment.

[umbral belfry]

@hollow lagoon if you lose tomorrow I eat your rocks for 3 days

[tropic summit]

if zant wins emma p1 will be the new thing next CA in his bracket

it will then spread to all other brackets slowly and they'll call that comp "the zant"

[umbral belfry]

[wintry viper]

@tropic summit i lost the match, here's the video

[marble saddle]

"the zadon't"

[tropic summit]

yeah T1 deficit is too harsh, you need to get to 1060k CP then it's doable

[wintry viper]

okay, i guess time to raise my sync level

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-locked-in-locking-in-roaring-kitty-crypto-gif-16816117992045530733

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[swift mango]

The zank

[gritty ridge]

Chat, rate my team

[dim sapphire]

1/5 for blanc

[gritty ridge]

Why so low

[dim sapphire]

Ok 2/5 for sugar

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit hear a brotha out

[shell hazel]

running 2 SG teams nani

[tropic summit]

now you've 2 teams weak to:

• slow cindy
• biscuit lock
• jackal teams

i'd say scrap at least 1 SG team and don't bother wasting jackal with scarlet if you running her indomless/non double buff

noise linked with jackal + bay with vestiTU would far so much better than the 2 variations you've atm

[gritty ridge]

Yeah I could try that, what would i replace sg #2 with tho

[shell hazel]

indom bready

[gritty ridge]

Im already running indom sugar, silly

[shell hazel]

well indom bready is more you tbh

https://tenor.com/view/bready-nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-chubby-bbw-gif-10537550508644259190

[gritty ridge]

Once I get the win frame its indom bready forever

[shell hazel]

valid valid

[jagged mesa]

@umbral belfry I THINK ITS FINALLY MY TIME

[shell hazel]

the issue seems to be you don't run slow cindy

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-hammer-stop-hammer-time-cant-touch-this-super-freak-hip-hop-gif-24612402

[placid bloom]

if you cannot get frame this season what happens

[jagged mesa]

Surely nighthawk can't pull off 5 upsets

"upsets"

[placid bloom]

I didn't even look at teams

[jagged mesa]

I didn't either I'm at work

But dpx is my hero this season

If he loses then I'm crashing out fr

[ruby iris]

Please win

[dim escarp]

he better win

[gritty ridge]

If they added a health augment, would it see use?

[dim escarp]

cinderella would like it

[shell hazel]

I haven't checked the teams lol, I have no idea

feel free to vote the other guy if you think they can win it I won't get mad 🙂

you going for the guessing frames or got them already?

[shell hazel]

it's probably the one I'm most worried about fighting of all the people I saw so far

[dim escarp]

you got this

I haven't check the team too, just going for you anyway :p

[ruby iris]

I kept voting you even tho you had 20% votes and it worked out

[shell hazel]

sure I appreciate the support as long as you don't miss out on the guessing frames if you were going for them 😛

I voted me also it's just 20% for me atm but this is a very tough opponent

[ruby iris]

Yeah I don't have it yet but I lost the frame already since I voted myself in top 32 (and lost...)

[shell hazel]

fair fair 🙂

the % on votes can always be wrong

[ruby iris]

Yeah you won the last 2 even though you had less votes

Would this be your first win?

[shell hazel]

exactly 🙂

nah 3rd win if I get it

moran/blanc guy won it 4 x already

[placid bloom]

5, 4 stars + base frame

[shell hazel]

shiiittt you're right lol

i'm rank 31 scrub

[lusty gull]

i see myself

[dim escarp]

@fathom rock hello sir, did pass MC a while ago sync 468 but I saw you ended up lowest clear

I'm curious about your invest on Ada

[shell hazel]

I see you!

[dim escarp]

or she's just here to boost Ein true damage

[shell hazel]

poking head out :p

[lusty gull]

[dim escarp]

the french goat

[shell hazel]

🐐

my top 4 matches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCPdYkehq6g

these are less exciting than some others I had tbh

[dim escarp]

wide screen nikke gaming

owned

[shell hazel]

I think some of my earlier sets had some more fun matches

[ivory mango]

@tropic summit absolute cinema

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-doro-doro-awooo-nikke-gif-6484781110131663465

[dim escarp]

they’re shaking, too scared to go after you

[ivory mango]

they'll be more scared once they know I'm aiming to grind challenger in LoL too

I shall rise once more in pvp !

[gloomy robin]

are these teams are good enough for def? Anything that should be changed? Especially T2

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit ?

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit i made a mistake. one of my attempts got yeeted to hell

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit

[umbral belfry]

don't choke

[jagged mesa]

Why would you say that

Now I'm nervous

[umbral belfry]

sure would be a shame

if the underdog won and you cheered wrong

[placid bloom]

Piggy 2

slay all the champions in 1 run

[jagged mesa]

Today frame

Tomorrow noah

[open jewel]

Does anyone have a counter to this damn team comp

[lone sequoia]

indom-sbs - emi- vesti-
a slower cindy comp-
vesti/noah
stall
scarlet stall

[rustic sandal]

Tragic. I keep getting passed around.

[open jewel]

Examples?

[lone sequoia]

that is all i'm going to say

if noise is not linked you can scar nuke that team or snipe with helmT

[crystal flicker]

That Dix guy in my day 1 pvp bracket lol

[umbral belfry]

getting tossed like a salad

[shell hazel]

@valid inlet any thoughts?

[gaunt pulsar]

looks like nana clean swipe tbh

[shell hazel]

I'd vote nana tbh

t1 sg on def will win that, t2 moran/noah etc beats scar, t5 biscuit locked defenders, so at a minimum I see 3 wins for nana

maybe it depends how lethal scar is

my slow cindy usually beats scar soda

[gaunt pulsar]

t3 is max core vesti on absolute squad, slow but very lethal

[shell hazel]

but these teams both had more invest time than me

so stronger units? could flip that result

[umbral belfry]

@valid inlet lock in

[gritty ridge]

Hear me out

[formal quiver]

?

[gritty ridge]

The humble stall team that does no dmg and only has one cycle

[umbral belfry]

team was so weird that you forced 2d out from lurking

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit DM

[valid inlet]

Oops the thing is I’m actually attacking, I think I can take t2,3, probably lose t1, the rest is unsure

[valid inlet]

I probably also need some luck to win this time

[umbral belfry]

please nana

do what I cannot and get (another) star

[valid inlet]

Ahhhh good luck next season Hime ✨

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

@umbral belfry im being bullied

[umbral crown]

Just trust the process

[umbral crown]

Thou wilt win, trust

[oblique gyro]

@shell hazel hi, you were right, wasn't hard to get to MC

i copied your draft for a specific horrible defense battle stage

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/tried-at-least-you-tried-bart-the-simpsons-gif-13836199

[tropic summit]

you're in deficit, aim for T1 and T3

• T1 needs a DPS team behind noah + biscuit
• T3 needs to indom 2RL

both on non deficit

[tropic summit]

iirc your question was how to beat noah jackal helmt biscuit vestiTU

use this, vestiTU is assumed 5-8%CS, team is assumed non in deficit

quantum on noah, any cube trina, vigor rapunzel, any cube vestiTU, vigor biscuit

[hollow lagoon]

@gritty ridge Me beg

[gritty ridge]

Bro I was wondering why id been getting dms asking for pvp help

[hollow lagoon]

Idk but

It said I can beg

So I begs

[shell hazel]

very cool nice work!
I spoke with jaw earlier about MC and I imagine we're both working on the same Ada/Ein for it next?

[shell hazel]

they put you on the right side which is def side usually

[oblique gyro]

nah i'll try to kill it with standard draft like jawdrop, i would like not to invest on niche characters

[shell hazel]

doable with just Ein and Cindy at 461 - 481 I think

[oblique gyro]

jaw killed with only cind at 461

[shell hazel]

he showed me 468 but he may have lots of dupes

[oblique gyro]

yeah ... he had, whaly man he's

[shell hazel]

was his comp/cp

involves building s.Anis if you didn't already, it's more relatable to build out Ein at least I think

[oblique gyro]

i'll think about it

[gritty ridge]

Hippo, you wanna do me a favor?

[shell hazel]

i'm 10 sync away from it now, should get there in a week or so

well, closer to 2 perhaps

[oblique gyro]

damn you're popping sync quite fast, you put some money in the game ?

[gritty ridge]

Hippo is f2p

[oblique gyro]

oh ok

[shell hazel]

I don't think he'll get it 😄

[gritty ridge]

Free 2 pay

[shell hazel]

this

I spend but not insane amounts, a lot less than most of the whales you see I imagine

but I do spend all the same - $100/month I reckon

[oblique gyro]

okey okey fair enough

[shell hazel]

the f2p thing is more of an inside joke we have Hime always says she is f2p and I say I'm f2p like her 😄

[gritty ridge]

But @shell hazel would you mind running this next CA 👉👈

[shell hazel]

but she spends more than I do, and zanta spends a lot more than us both

I mostly buy the skins and passes

daily resource kit and such

[oblique gyro]

i would probably spend more if i have the possibility, maybe later

[shell hazel]

sometimes I get some cd crates but it's not common, I don't buy them daily or anything

I'm able to afford such spend easily as I have my own house and things already. no debts and good savings

I don't recommend spending more than you can afford

money spent in gacha is largely wasted but I enjoy the game and am OK with my pace at this time

you have more outfits than I do 😮

[oblique gyro]

I’m practically at the end of my studies; once I get a job, I’ll be able to afford a few expenses

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

@shell hazel

[shell hazel]

we probably spend similar then if you got more outfits than me 😄

[shell hazel]

I already ran this one

[gritty ridge]

You did?

[shell hazel]

I did

[oblique gyro]

spending between 60 and 100 depending on monthly contents

[gritty ridge]

How did it go

[shell hazel]

I prefer my current with p1 and p2 swapped

[shell hazel]

EUR or USD?

[oblique gyro]

EUR

[shell hazel]

yeah similar then I reckon

[oblique gyro]

100 eur is like 116 dollars

[shell hazel]

daily resource kit and gems is my kind of hidden one as it's $20/month for both and I keep those running all the time

[gritty ridge]

Wtf my message got muted

Idek why lmao

[shell hazel]

largely the skin passes / odd gacha skin but I skip as many of those as I get

[oblique gyro]

I’m quite impatient to start working

[gritty ridge]

I buy any skins/gacha passes and the 2 daily resource packs

[shell hazel]

I wouldn't rush to do it haha, but I don't miss stuff like home work or studying from home outside of college/school etc

[oblique gyro]

pretty much the same

[shell hazel]

at least job is 9-5 and no weekends or evenings, so I have a good divide of work / not work

[gritty ridge]

Imagine getting weekends off

[oblique gyro]

I enjoy my studies, and I’m confident I’ll enjoy my future job too, unless I happen to run into very poor management

[gritty ridge]

I work weird hours on top of being in college

[shell hazel]

wow murdered lol

these your teams on def?

[umbral crown]

yeah, was on defense

[shell hazel]

can happen bad management. but can get good ones too!

[placid bloom]

You can work for yourself

[shell hazel]

I saw someone else run the nayuta slow cindy earlier was decent, problem is it loses to non-nayuta slow cindy I think

[umbral crown]

it just loses if cindy is before mihara

[shell hazel]

always trade offs

[oblique gyro]

i will but first i need some reputation and contacts

[umbral crown]

cuz nayuta cindy will make mihara get indom

[shell hazel]

ros one tap the blanc though 😄

[umbral crown]

today i had a mirror slow nayuta cindy but got invest diff

[oblique gyro]

ofc

[umbral crown]

that was fun

[shell hazel]

curious to see which of the nayuta comps works out being best as I run mine with SG comp atm

[gritty ridge]

Where you using her other than sg?

Rh nayu?

[shell hazel]

slow cindy is also an option like rosy showed

[gritty ridge]

Isnt that just worse slow cindy?

[umbral crown]

better

[gritty ridge]

How is it better if it just loses to indom now

And most likely nero moran

[umbral crown]

it won against nero moran

in other match i had

[gritty ridge]

Sus

[umbral crown]

[gritty ridge]

Rosy im gonna touch you i swear

[arctic jewel]

Sorry, I noticed this recently due to me watching Stranger Things, but thank you!

btw

[umbral belfry]

run rosy bigboi has sticky fingers

[gritty ridge]

Hime youre lucky youre safe

[tropic summit]

he got all the ladies with that

[gritty ridge]

Rail on the other hand

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-unclephuc-jk-cat-pew-gif-13807763912114823724

[gritty ridge]

Yeah thats me in the red dress

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit I actually have two follow up questions:

1. What does this team do? Like I understand what Vesti, Noah and Biscuit do here, but is that really all? I'm also not sure what this team is weak against
2. I might be asking waaaaay too much here, but there's another guy that is now winning with Scarlet + Siren, do I need to add Noise here as well or?

[tropic summit]

1. it's a team specifically tailored to stall out opponent, as p1 noah will be invulnerable, twice via biscuit, p2 is just generic non defender burst gen clip RL, p3 is only needed to allow you to safely burst, adds some extra healing on top but beside that, could be anyone else

The key point is then p4 and p5, biscuit and vestiTU in those positions are not reachable by enemy vestiTU splash in p1, as it only reaches up to p2 and p3.

This way, you're able to extend noah invulnerability to the maximun (around 15s) while you keep slowly chipping at them by hitting p1 p2 p3
It's all about out trading

2 i need to see their full team then sure

[keen vapor]

Rail

Are Nayuta's teams good in SP?

[gritty ridge]

Chime im gonna getcha

[tropic summit]

there's only 2 "good" ones, both are couterable

2RL nayuta and slow cindy variation with nayuta

(on def)

[gritty ridge]

Rail is this one good

[arctic jewel]

First guy: Scarlet/Trina/Siren/Helm/Jackal
I'm able to beat this with Noise/Noah/Cindy/Helm/Jackal, but if it's possible to have somekind of a mix with the one you suggested before?
Second guy: I THINK he uses Noah/Jackal/Helm/Biscuit/Vesti (he doesn't use that team for defense), so we're good there

[tropic summit]

fix position

nayuta centi helmt laplaceT RH

[arctic jewel]

maybe I should use a completely different team to catch these guys offguard?

[keen vapor]

Anything is counterable

[arctic jewel]

in other words, more suitable for CA?

[tropic summit]

first guy is running a pretty bad scar-siren glass cannon, as siren non p1 or p2 kinda loses threat, you can run these ones

• jackal noise helmt laplaceT bay
• noise noah vestiTU laplaceT rumani (vesti is assumed 5%-8%CS+)
• jackal indom flex blanc flex (jackal sbs laplaceT blanc centi)

second guy we just mentioned earlier, he's just using a stall-ish version vestiTU, although defender in p1 and p2 kinda ruins biscuit's purpose in stalling, plus jackal in p2 means you can hit the whole link with any splasher

[keen vapor]

Wym bad glass cannon that's my def

[tropic summit]

like with many nikke, attack side has plenty of usage, unlike her def counter part

[slate falcon]

Im Here👋

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/shikamaru-anime-naruto-shippuden-manga-series-face-palm-gif-17236628

[gritty ridge]

Rail youre gonna be so proud, im overloading rumani

[arctic jewel]

when you know how Siren works, it generally becomes pretty easy to counter, I used to use Red Hood in p1 to win against this

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/kita-bocchi-the-rock-kita-ikuyo-clap-happy-gif-10036180577568127404

[keen vapor]

RH first?!

[arctic jewel]

however, for me personally, it becomes a bit tricker whenever I have to design a defense team for countering Siren and hopefully other teams

[tropic summit]

he's getting his RH stunned

[arctic jewel]

this

[tropic summit]

just flex p1 to avoid getting his main B3 stunned instead

[tropic summit]

it's actually quite simple, any of these invalidates siren:

• team is 2RL 11%CS team wide, p1 is either B1 or B2
• team is running p1 B1 on 2RL
• team is running backup B1 if p1 B1 isn't 2RL
• if running noah, either 11CS% team wide or noise taunt priority
• if running noah p1, as long as team is 2RL and moran B1, noah cannot be stunned

[arctic jewel]

yeah what you said about Taunt priority is soooo helpful, thanks again btw!

[heavy hearth]

My def finally got cracked any ideas for what I should run?

[tropic summit]

post your current def

[arctic jewel]

also... the more I read about Siren, the more I realize how much of a noob check she is (I'm still not completely free from it yet)

or at least sometimes it feels like she is

[tropic summit]

you're not wrong about this, her main purpose is to just add difficulty, because you gotta build a team that accounts for that, which costs resources they can't use against your other 2 remaining teams

[tropic summit]

ok they figured out slow cindy and that noah team probably getting trashed

can start by changing those

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit thoughts?

[arctic jewel]

yeah it definitely feels like it

[arctic jewel]

what does Liberalio do in PvP?

[gritty ridge]

Shes a battery there

[keen vapor]

Ah, so that's nayuta 2RL

[gritty ridge]

Its probably not the standard, I just tossed one together

[keen vapor]

So, one can just Siren it and win

[gritty ridge]

Any p1 win condition has that weakness

I can replace rh with sora and shed be safe

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• jackal siren blanc centi drakeT
• noise noah vestiTU biscuit rumani
• nayuta trina helmt RH laplaceT

Cubes as provided in SS, anyone without you can use any high lvl ones

[gritty ridge]

I can actually run this, considering I dont have t.lap

[tropic summit]

looks decent, but since T2 is 2.5RL, bench lib for biscuit

[gritty ridge]

It says 2.5 but its siren safe

[heavy hearth]

Thanks boss I’ll give this a try

[tropic summit]

what isn't safe is your noah ya tool, give her biscuit

[gritty ridge]

Why wouldnt my noah be safe

If I drop liberalio im 3rl

[tropic summit]

ok run her in p2 without biscuit on 2.5RL, enjoy

[gritty ridge]

I do, every day

[tropic summit]

cuz your bracket sux

[gritty ridge]

Because im closer to 2.1 rl

Vesti cs is weird

I block scar no problem

[tropic summit]

scar isn't who you should be worried about

[gritty ridge]

I dont think anyone in my bracket has a vesti on par with mine

Especially since my CA doesnt

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[raven cairn]

how can i beat this?

[gritty ridge]

All throwing around 15% atk vestis

[tropic summit]

what synchro are you

[raven cairn]

same

[tropic summit]

ok so we can assume you're not gapped

[raven cairn]

yeah

[gritty ridge]

Shes living up to her title of monster

[tropic summit]

is your vestiTU on either 5% or 8CS% (or more)?

[raven cairn]

no my vesti is horrible

[tropic summit]

well time to build her up

[raven cairn]

is that neccassary?

[tropic summit]

kinda, direct counter to T1 involves her

[raven cairn]

damn

alright then

[tropic summit]

once she's built, you can run these (you're on the left)

[raven cairn]

thanks

actually sbs worked instead of vesti

[tropic summit]

oh really? that's interesting

so you ran

noah trina SBS RH biscuit?

[raven cairn]

yeah

[tropic summit]

your SBS must be pretty stronk, good job

[raven cairn]

thanks for the help

[arctic jewel]

Really stupid question, does the plus sign after CS mean that the percentage can be higher than 8?

[tropic summit]

for vestiTU and helmT 8%CS is enough to hit 0.5 threshold
for emilia there are specific thresholds, namely 8% and 25%
for any other battery, 15% is the golden number, 11%CS for team wide siren resistance

[arctic jewel]

thank you! ❤️

[glad meteor]

[keen vapor]

[trail pond]

Are my first 2 teams good?

my third was just made with auto

[tropic summit]

can you post your box? T2 is ok, but T1 and T3 are very abusable

[trail pond]

do you mean my nikkes?

[keen vapor]

So big

[trail pond]

merging it into 1 big file is easier that dealing with lots of smaller files

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta centi alice anis liter
• poli biscuit vestiTU ada rumani
• lib blanc rh drake jackal

this should give your teams overall improvement speed wise, while keeping CP fairly high

[keen vapor]

Rail cooks so fast

[tropic summit]

do this for nearly a year and it do be like that

[keen vapor]

But I have to learn new meta every big patch

[vapid lake]

[glad meteor]

[keen vapor]

With units I skip till last day of banner

[trail pond]

heres what it looks like

[keen vapor]

Uwoooohh

[glad meteor]

Blue so Water surely

[tropic summit]

ye looks good

[vapid lake]

why u UOHHHH diesel

[trail pond]

does it work for both atk and def

[tropic summit]

attack is dependant on what you facing

if you don't know what you're doing they will do

ask here when you're unsure why you losing or if the teams will work, it will help you also learn

[keen vapor]

U blocked me you didn't use the reply

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-head-pat-anime-pat-pat-anime-blush-gif-23411369

[keen vapor]

:Chime >:T:

[vapid lake]

Im lazy to click the reply

On mobile

[keen vapor]

I'm blocked :blancry:

[vapid lake]

Ok u want me to block u that badly i will do it

Goodbye echo

[keen vapor]

Anyways what's wrong about it, wasn't she legal?

[umbral crown]

if i had some atk and ammo my vesti would ne nice

[tropic summit]

what do you want to do with her that requires her to be legal

[umbral crown]

with cube i have 100 ele

[glad meteor]

I watched your games. R2/3 was unfortunate

[keen vapor]

Nothing really today was busy day at work

[vapid lake]

Uohhh is some dumb expression used by gacha gamers with a certain taste related to blue archive

[tropic summit]

oh right you had started working, how's it going so far, don't you love being an adult?

[gritty ridge]

Working is fun silly

[umbral crown]

[gritty ridge]

Theres hot girls everywhere

[keen vapor]

I want money :Blancry:

[tropic summit]

correction 💢

[trail pond]

thanks its just bc the last time I asked here the person who responded basically said give up your not good enough for the mode yet

[vapid lake]

not u too

[tropic summit]

sounds like an 4sshole, who was that?

we can go spank them for you

[vapid lake]

Bet it was echo

[gritty ridge]

😭 💢

[trail pond]

it was Dee Pink

[tropic summit]

what a booly

[vapid lake]

That guy doesn't sugarcoat anything

[keen vapor]

Don't correct me

[tropic summit]

well you're not hopeless, but you do need several pvp core units, which you can still get slowly, so don't worry @trail pond

start by getting helm treasured

[keen vapor]

Took me half a year to get Noah and Blanc

[tropic summit]

but once you got them you were able to get ch1 and starr in CA

[keen vapor]

Once CA happened I stopped being C1

[trail pond]

I have been trying for so long but I can't seem to get the last copy I need

[tropic summit]

it's alright keep trying

she'll come eventually

[keen vapor]

Can you believe it? A dumb beta mode increased PVP whaling 1000%

[vapid lake]

Beta season 17

[tropic summit]

Beta until EOS

[keen vapor]

Let's go for hecking 50
-#

[umbral crown]

wait till Beta S30 for th ereal thing to start

[trail pond]

I don't know why my rookie team keeps winning but I think its all good since it is letting me keep the #1 spot

https://youtu.be/C9BKUFeUkpk

did I just accidentally make a good team or am I just lucky

[tropic summit]

hmm it has high CP based on your invest and nayuta in p1 with vesti main B3 is relatively strong if opponent doesn't know how to counter that

it's still on the slow side, so eventually you'll see it failing

helmT or jackal would increase that team perfomance

[keen vapor]

Vesti the Bestie

[trail pond]

this is what it looked like last season even though there are multiple whales but when I get helmT where does she go in that team

[tropic summit]

this is the sequence of upgrades i'd recommend for that rookie team you running

from left to right:

• improve speed via helmT
• improve speed and resistance via jackal
• improve speed via 5%-8%CS vestiTU and using helmT and jackal

as you can see, right now you're sitting on what is likely 3RL if vesti has CS%, else it's a 4RL

(slow team)

[trail pond]

I think my vestTU has 4.33% cs rn but I don't know if thats enough

[tropic summit]

give her adjutant and you gain already a 0.5RL tier

as that'd kick you past 5%

[trail pond]

yeah it adds another 1.59%cs bringing her to 5.92% cs I think

[rich ledge]

Are my updated def teams ok?

[tropic summit]

i don't really recommend running slow cindy on SP arena def

T1 is OK
T3 is OK if scarlet hits requirement ammo count

[keen vapor]

If I Scarlet Siren you never burst bc Rumani got stunned

[rich ledge]

If it's slow cindy it doesn't matter right? Rumani can just burst later

[gritty ridge]

Baby bracket

[tropic summit]

you were a baby too, mister bready indom

[keen vapor]

It matters

Rumani is your only sources of burst gen

No Rumani = Goes from Slow to never

[gritty ridge]

Dont make me start using it again

[tropic summit]

do it, next CA

[rich ledge]

So rumani p3?

[keen vapor]

I think

[lime night]

would anyone have a recommandation on what to use against this team? much appreciated

[tropic summit]

does your noise have more CS% than your noah

[lime night]

nope my noah is around 3% higher

[tropic summit]

ok, assuming you're not in deficit, run

jackal noise helmT vestiTU bay

[lime night]

thanks ill give this a try later on, appreciate it

[tropic summit]

the whole point is catching scarlet nuke with bay, then out trade while you're on sustain, they're glass cannon

[umbral crown]

it works for some poeple

[tropic summit]

for 🐒

[lime night]

oh wait i misread, but my bay doesn't have the special item is that fine?

[tropic summit]

ye she won't need to be treasured

[keen vapor]

Maybe I'm monkey

[tropic summit]

a little nitpick, if noise is on SR5 or SR15 doll, you can burst with her instead, will increase your odds

noise jackal helmt vestiTU bay

as for cubes

noise vigor
jackal quantum
helmT temperance
vesti temperance
bay temperance/vigor

[tropic summit]

[oak hatch]

@tropic summit why does Noah go after stun here with team wide 11% cs and 2 rl?

[tropic summit]

because of RH, you cannot use her in that team

sub RH for rumani on 11%CS and you're siren resistant

[oak hatch]

What does rh do that makes it not work?

[tropic summit]

your units do not have enough CS% to hit B2 before siren stun is applied with RH

[oak hatch]

So the team needs to have at least 4 good burst gen units that has 11% cs?

Or does red hood b1 activate slower than other b1s

[tropic summit]

specifically, it needs to have all the units needed to hit 2RL with the CS% requirement

for example say that you hit 2RL with rumani noah vestiTU and helmT

at that point, even if you've RH on 0%CS, the units you actually need to hit that frame reduction requirement, are still just the 4 above

because those 4 are the units that lead you to 2RL

[oak hatch]

Oh I see so with this team here, biscuit does not need the 11% right?

[tropic summit]

if biscuit isn't needed to land her 2nd rocket to hit 2RL, then correct

if even just 1 unit needs to hit to land you into 2RL, then that unit also needs to have 11CS%

[oak hatch]

Like for example here, if these are the 4 units I need minimum to bring it to 2 rl, then any character I place after does not need any cs?

[tropic summit]

vestiTU is a bad example for that, because nikke.work doesn't account properly for her

use this example instead

as you can see with those 4 units alone, you hit 2RL and you hit right before stun is applied

at that point, any p5 unit can be flex and still allow you to be siren resistant on 11%CS team wide

adding RH for example:

[oak hatch]

Ahh I see, that’s good to know that I don’t exactly need 11% on everyone

[tropic summit]

only on the units needed to hit 2RL at 11%CS

[oak hatch]

Yeah thx for the info

[spice talon]

do they do good? cause i am gonna copy you if they are

[rich ledge]

I was previously using this was quite good but it was broken

I just changed up the formula abit

[spice talon]

u have an updated. i need one my team is pittiful for PVP.

oh wait jump to conclusions me

[rich ledge]

I think you can just have a few setups to test when it is broken change to the next formation

[spice talon]

ok my teams are getting me nowhere and ive dropped off. i am at a point i dont want to deal with pvp because my teams are mostly built around bossing

[umbral crown]

pve boi

[ivory violet]

Yeah my box is mostly pve too that's why I just use my highest cp nikkes for defense

[umbral crown]

and you do not even use a b1

are you C1? or gapping most people there

[ivory violet]

I'm in 3rd but it totally shuts out the guys below me

[umbral crown]

then thats fine

[ivory violet]

I could trade 1st with the current guy but it's kinda pointless

[umbral crown]

true that

[vapid lake]

Attack him anyway to ego him

[umbral crown]

[ivory violet]

I like to hit #2 and #1 to bring them down right before reset sometimes just to be spiteful. Feels amazing tbh

[umbral crown]

bully

[frank ingot]

fixed vestiTU's OL stats, had 18 ammo for her and add more atk% rn. didn't get a good element dmg% sadly, but I think it still does the job done. Thank you

[vapid barn]

Need help with new sp arena teams

[tropic summit]

you are

[umbral crown]

Am i

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• jackal siren scarlet trina laplaceT
• nayuta centi helmT RH emilia
• noise noah vestiTU biscuit rumani

[vapid barn]

Goat

Gracias

[umbral crown]

Its vinos

Your real Dia fan

[vapid barn]

[umbral crown]

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