pvp-arena

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit welp here i go

[merry knot]

mhhh in both of those teams if he gets to burst i lose no? i mean his emilia will have indo and kill me :/

[tropic summit]

you need to check your CP against enemy teams below you, if your CP average is in line, then you're fine

[tropic summit]

no, siren will prevent blanc from indomming, she's stunned they burs with biscuit

as for the rosanna approach, she 1hitko emi and rh as they're low hp due to vesti

[merry knot]

oh but the teams you told me first didng had rosanna

thats why i was asking hehe

will try with the rosanna approach then maybe siren

[tropic summit]

yes those are the 2 options:

• 1hitko with ros + vestiTU on 2RL
• stun and wipe them on 2RL with scar-siren

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit yeah just like you said

[tropic summit]

ye that's too rough on moran, true dmg is her bane

[marble saddle]

whats the min investment i can put on vesti to be able to use her?

[tropic summit]

as for their T2 at least you found out their speed

it was 3RL afterall

[quick lake]

4/4/10 should work tbh

[tropic summit]

now that we know their speed you can bypass with RRH

[merry knot]

The CP difference is to high?

[tropic summit]

as rheax said 4/4/10

1-2 atk% OL, 1-2ele, 2ammo, 3-4CS%

[marble saddle]

kk

[tropic summit]

ye you need 1.748.451 to not be in deficit

you can find out by multiplying enemy CP for 0.846

it gives you the minimun number needed to not be hit by penalty

[vapid lake]

How is the diff so big with only 20 lvl difference

[merry knot]

ohhh .846 thanks that would help a lot

[tropic summit]

3 dolls on SR5, probably not 3x OLs per piece

[crystal flicker]

OL lines

I have 300K diff just from OL lines alone lol

Same sync

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit

[umbral crown]

7/7/7 or 7/10/10

[marble saddle]

considering im at 8/9/9 ill prob go 10/10/10 just to cp pad

[umbral crown]

10/10/10 is the way for vesti

One of the besto units for pvp

[marble saddle]

the real prob is OL stats like for 99% of units

[quick lake]

Besti should still nuke even without any OL lines

[marble saddle]

well i still need to get lvl 5 OL gear on her so i prob cant expect that yet

i prob want to wait until shes 350k before i start using her for real

[tropic summit]

eh made it in time for the tsunami, good job

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

@marble saddle another thing i noticed, is blanc on SR15 and temperance?

[tropic summit]

not that CP, although it gives already a clue, i meant the actual teams

if you remember fighting them, were you close in CP or they had campaign teams that put you in deficit?

[marble saddle]

no mine was Sr 5 with lvl 11 Vigor

[tropic summit]

bring her to SR15 with temperance down the line

especially when fighting against scar-jack anyway

[marble saddle]

ok but that would be a less priority task compared to bringing Lib Vesti and nayuta to sr 15 first

[tropic summit]

ye i can agree

especially vesti is n1 priority (pvp wise)

[marble saddle]

too bad shes only R10 now.
my doll SS luck has been crap lately

[haughty mortar]

We shall know by tomorrow Well, the new comps are higher CP than the old though so ty!

[tropic summit]

they're also a bit more stable, the only question is if they're beating you by gapping or actually countering

your invest is kinda on the low side afterall, but it should still be an improvement at least

[gritty ridge]

@umbral crown I just reread all the way through volume 9, is there more?

Mangadex says theres like 18 total but I cant read most of em

[umbral crown]

can not really tell, i just watch the anime for now

[pale knoll]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/66b6a0a72c53a490f8e9b3b2/4x.gif

[gritty ridge]

Whats the current arc in the anime?

[tropic summit]

sudden jumpscare

[umbral crown]

next is to get revenge from sasha

[umbral crown]

goloso

[gritty ridge]

I already forgor which race that was, is that elf?

[umbral crown]

yes

[gritty ridge]

Ah ok, so the anime is quite a bit behind atm

I can find volume 10 in a language I don't know

Yippee

Why did mangadex have to get nuked

[tropic summit]

because in a sense it's good to protect the work from being pirated, but on the other hand for ppl who couldn't obtain it anyway you're screwed

[gritty ridge]

Like 90% of the shit I read doesnt have official English translations

[river dune]

@swift mango so just use xmaiden centi and Noir right?ok I can use xmaiden instead of Scarlet and Centi instead of Red Hood? don't know how I can use Noir though

[tropic summit]

diesel

[tropic summit]

oh ye T3 and T2 are wins

you could win T1 but move noise to p5

imagine taunting emilia right in the middle of your team

[gritty ridge]

Rail would this be viable for special arena?

[tropic summit]

blanc is on a lot of copium being p1 btw

[placid bloom]

if you want to burst Noise just put her p1

not like you have Biscuit

[tropic summit]

already used

[river dune]

That's the thing though jackal's link doesn't link Scarlet

[tropic summit]

lib kinda mid for defense, as you saw earlier with Zlaw we caught her 2RL nuke on 3RL

as battery she's good but as main B3 questionable

[tropic summit]

wait wut

maybe get a different flex then than SBS

[placid bloom]

SR5 Scar

[river dune]

It links the other Scarlet not base

[tropic summit]

ye then change SBS

[placid bloom]

vs SR15 with cores

[tropic summit]

get a different flex that lets scar link

[gritty ridge]

Would helm be better as active b3? I dont have many options

[tropic summit]

better threat at least

[river dune]

Maybe another b2?

[placid bloom]

tbh it only matters if your opponents have brain

[tropic summit]

show le box

[placid bloom]

if they have no brain even SBS can work on def

[gritty ridge]

Even bready...

[tropic summit]

but BigBoi opponents have BigBrain

[placid bloom]

well Bready ruins team comp too much

[tropic summit]

in his BigLeague

[placid bloom]

she has no burst gen and your dist dmg buffer has no burst gen

[gritty ridge]

They have big brain to spend 5 billion dollars on coredust

[tropic summit]

stop killing him he ran indom bready for so many months

[placid bloom]

at least SBS has passable burst gen

and doesn't require 2 slots to function

[gritty ridge]

Ill be jumping up to sync 301 in 2-3 days tho

[placid bloom]

if I can't SR15 Laplace with SR rewards I might be cooked

[gritty ridge]

I could sr15 lap, but I dont have any dupes

[tropic summit]

you were fine so far without

[placid bloom]

I lost Atk for the first time in months because I didn't expect 3RL Lib to be so slow that clow Cindy can resolve Blanc

now I need to make it 2RL

[gritty ridge]

Im so close

[placid bloom]

I'm pretty sure I can make it 2RL as long as Lib is generating burst properly on p5 Cindy

[tropic summit]

holy f

[river dune]

That's all @tropic summit

[placid bloom]

[gritty ridge]

Red

[tropic summit]

are they ordered by strength?

[river dune]

Yeah power actually

[gritty ridge]

Also why so many screenshots

[placid bloom]

because using Nikkepedia

[gritty ridge]

Can still put it in horizontal, no?

[placid bloom]

no

their web app only has vertical

[gritty ridge]

Oh thats dumb af

[tropic summit]

run these teams in union shooting range and check if jackal is linked

scar lib trina rh jackal
scar noir trina rh jackal

[placid bloom]

when you visit blablalink on PC

they just extend the background art to the sides

and you still have thin ass strip to navigate

[gritty ridge]

Awful

[placid bloom]

2025 dev

[river dune]

Ok ty

[gritty ridge]

So many game ui has gone to shit recently

[tropic summit]

why you think i ask for box and not nikkepedia

[gritty ridge]

Rail im gonna start linking you my blabla

[tropic summit]

i'm gonna start blocking you harder

[gritty ridge]

[river dune]

Imagine still having PC and going to blabla , I do everything on phone don't have either laptop or desktop currently so don't have any choice

[river dune]

Done here's the results

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

click on scarlet and check buff "jumping jackal"

[river dune]

Yeah she has

[tropic summit]

with both lineups?

[river dune]

Yeah

[tropic summit]

then pick the one with better CP, i guess the one with lib

[river dune]

Ok

[tropic summit]

after that you should be good to go @river dune

T1

• noise vestiTU laplaceT blanc siren

T2

• noah bis cindy helmt rumani

T3

• scar lib trina rh jackal

[sleek ginkgo]

Ranking priority sr 15 dolls between
Jackals, noah, moran biscuit ?

[worthy sorrel]

moran>noah>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>jackal=biscuit 🤔

[sleek ginkgo]

Jackals biscuit don't need it ? Better use it on other nikke ?

[worthy sorrel]

yeah, pretty low priority. jackal shouldn't be taking a lot of direct pressure, so usually better to focus on the others in her link. biscuit is similar. usually won't be tanking

you can sr15 them both when everyone else is done, but still would probably do the critical tanks first, then your dps or other p1/2 units. then can clean up the rest

should still sr5 everyone asap though if they're not already. it's cheap enough and the damage reduction is generally good

oh, should mention, i'm generally thinking for CA. if you're doing it for SP, then i'd consider them all equal priority for CP reasons. would just focus on which ever one is in a team where an extra sr15 might close a cp gap if it's for sp

[sleek ginkgo]

Thx I've never participate in CA, I was thinking only for SA, but next season I will, so yeah I 'm going to sr 5 everyone instead

[worthy sorrel]

well sr5 everyone as long as the blues last at least. still good to save the purples and golds for sr5-15

but yeah, sr5 on all units makes a pretty big difference in CA

[sleek ginkgo]

The XP is not wasted on blue ?

[worthy sorrel]

unless you're really lucky, it's cheapest mathematically to do r15>sr5

if you promote an r15 doll you start on sr5 when you apply the purple

costs more on average to go from sr0-sr5 than r0-r15. r15 is just a handful of blues usually

you get much better odds at a super success

[sleek ginkgo]

Ho I knew I was doing it wrong

[worthy sorrel]

there are some units where you might just want to slap on an sr0 doll. usually a unit you don't want to take to sr15 for whatever reason, but for CA you'll want them all to be sr15 eventually, so will be better in the long run to do r15-sr5

if you have a bunch of sr0 already, then they're already good for now though. they already get some damage reduction, so would treat them the same as your sr5s in terms of who to advance to sr15 first

not a huge benefit going from sr0-sr5. i just said sr5 because i usually consider that min SR rank

[sleek ginkgo]

After sr 5 i jump straight sr 5 to sr 15 ?
Not sr 10 everyone?

[worthy sorrel]

well you shouldn't sr5 everyone either in the sense of going from sr0 to sr5.

got a bit confusing because i was assuming you would be doing r15-sr5 as a baseline

the big difference is going from blue to purple. so if you already put sr0 dolls on units, then they already got their big buff. which is the additonal damage reduction

[sleek ginkgo]

I will r15-sr5

[worthy sorrel]

so if you have any blue doll units currently, get those to sr5. but if you have sr0 units already they can chill until it's their turn for sr15

like sr15 moran is more important than taking jackal from sr0-sr5

[sleek ginkgo]

But isn't it better to sr 10 everyone first instead of sr 15 one by one ?

[worthy sorrel]

but if jackal is a blue doll still, i'd probably get her to sr5 real quick because the base damage reduction is p good to have on everyone

[worthy sorrel]

nah, not imo at least. the odds from sr5-sr10 super success isn't that much worse than sr10-15.

and the units that prefer sr15 would prefer it more than jackal to sr10

[sleek ginkgo]

Ok I see so SR5 for everyone, sr0 if I used directly the purple doll and then sr15 the one who needs

[worthy sorrel]

yeah my general personal approach would probably be

1. all 25 CA units, to r15>sr5 but only with blue mats. if in a pinch can sr0, but will likely pay for it later when trying to sr15

1.5) specific situational sr15 that are required for team to work if want to run that team

2. tanks to sr15

3. dps to sr15

4. stragglers to sr15

5. win CA

[tulip quest]

Then you meet whale with SR15 ALL ,core7 All + high level research

Well C.A is just like roulette

Make good teams then RNG Will help you

[worthy sorrel]

it helps in my case that that whale is me

but even i haven't sr15'd jackal or biscuit yet

gotta go to @umbral belfry for that

[tulip quest]

your CORE7 ALL?

I meant the kind of whale that 2 hits characters in C.A

Like I literally saw a whale win matches that counter his comp cause of research difference

[worthy sorrel]

for the meta CA units, getting p close actually

[tulip quest]

Well meta or not 50% of winrate of C.A is compositions and 50% is RNG XD

[stiff mulch]

Is there an updated SP arena teams list or guide anywhere? Can't seem to find anything with all the recent nikkes included

[swift mango]

..... Replace SBS with Centi then use

Scar+Trina+RH+Centi/XMaiden+Jackal.

[north brook]

Would be ideal to max tanks and dps carries

Dont need biscuit or centi maxed for ex, they norm are later position and dont take/do much dmg

[river dune]

Ok

[crystal flicker]

I lost all my PvP deck collection lol

[gilded sluice]

is this decent to run as SP def?
any advice?

[crystal flicker]

It's decent, but keep in mind, without 11% team wide CS, your Noah will be stunned by Siren

The same goes for Nayuta

[gilded sluice]

should i maybe go for noise noah lib lapt rumani for t2?

i don't plan on investing into cs

[crystal flicker]

Yeah

[hollow lagoon]

which is why i hit everyone near my rank once every day

[midnight coyote]

wtf is this rumani redhood combo i just got destroyed by

[hollow lagoon]

u need to be more specific

[keen vapor]

indeed

Can't really know what you just fight, just screenshot it

[hollow lagoon]

assume only rumani and redhood i guess

[charred wedge]

aint no way

[hollow lagoon]

looks 6rl

[umbral belfry]

[dense kindle]

Can i get f2p advice

[umbral belfry]

beat cc

[dense kindle]

Just a couple more levels and i can attempt

[crystal flicker]

You're gonna attempt CA

[umbral belfry]

[dense kindle]

I attempt CA every season and I lose

Still sad about this upcoming shuffle

[crystal flicker]

I don't even see you last CA

[dense kindle]

I Na and i also lost first round

[crystal flicker]

We have Hime champion, just ask her

[dense kindle]

She doesnt want to teach me but one day I'l become her student

[crystal flicker]

or use Keripo comp

[umbral belfry]

won't be able to see jsasor anymore after this ca

[placid bloom]

3 month break

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

put a photo of him on your bed

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

I'll put a pic of him and cc on each side

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/powerpuff-girls-evil-imagine-evilest-mostevil-gif-4188902

[placid bloom]

can save this for when they are back though

all blinged out with new meta units

[umbral crown]

@umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

STOP

[umbral crown]

owo

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

who could it be @umbral crown @pastel narwhal

[placid bloom]

is this the daily erp

[umbral crown]

how dos thou know

[tropic summit]

[fleet acorn]

hi, how to beat this? is 2RL

probably matching speed with a siren so he gets stuck at b2?

[tropic summit]

if he's done his setup correctly, that team is 2RL 11%CS team wide

ironically it is weak to his own soda setup aswell

• scar soda trina flex jackal

the fail safe would be to run a stun resistant team with nuke

namely this

[fleet acorn]

his noah made to burst, but mine as well

[tropic summit]

so you both got noah stunned but you got to B3 via biscuit while he didn't because his only B2 is noah, correct?

[fleet acorn]

this is what happened

[tropic summit]

oh i see

1s stun isn't long enough for lib to hit nuke in time

lib so slow

[fleet acorn]

but i thought my biscuit bursted

[tropic summit]

nope if your biscuit bursted you'd be ded

[fleet acorn]

yeah i now noticed everyone inmune

[placid bloom]

yeah Soda doesn't work with Lib

[tropic summit]

yep

[fleet acorn]

vesti almost killed his noah without burst

[tropic summit]

lib animation is way earlier than the actual damage coming in

wouldn't discard that SU might get this fixed later down the road

doesn't feel like it's working as intended tbh

[keen vapor]

Lol

[keen vapor]

It is

That way it can get take advantage of attack buff

[tropic summit]

iirc TiBi did some research, she still doesn't get the nuke buffed as it should from post burst buffs

e.g. unlike Ein

he did open an issue

[placid bloom]

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Sometime I just couldn't bother check and just hit the highest on the list. But it was the same guy 5 times.

[tropic summit]

honestly, wouldn't surprise me if it's something similar to what they had to fix for cindy

but this time it's the opposite

[swift mango]

What are you talking about?

She get the full burst buffs if she survived until full burst and the nuke landed. Not if she died. It's just like Midhara.

[swift mango]

Fix Her dmg ignore Bay too.

[keen vapor]

Huh?

[swift mango]

Soda only stun for 1 sec. Your Noah B2 in a 3RL team so 2RL Soda useless. His Noah is B2 in a 2rl team with 11% CS overall so your Siren useless.

3RL Noah catch 2RL Libby because her Nuke is delayed. Your Vesti just keep hitting all after Noah Burst ended and won.

[fleet acorn]

my team was 2.5RL tbh

everyone is 16%-20% CS

[swift mango]

And his team at least 11% lowest CS to ignore your Siren.

[swift mango]

2.5 is still making 2rl Soda useless.

2.5rl is basically fast 3rl. How fast it is, depend. Fast 3rl vs fast 2rl. Though.

[swift mango]

From this picture. The 2.5RL was made with either Noah or Jackal CS.

If it was with Vesti CS then you would probably burst with Biscuit.

[fleet acorn]

i really wanna finish vesti, but liberalio eating so many rocks

[swift mango]

Basically, Soda is bad to use with Libby. Because 2.5RL (fast 3rl) Noah would just block her anyway.

Another win for 3RL Noah in CA.

[swift mango]

My Libby is 40% ATK (with 3 line) 30% Ele. I'm not getting her anymore attack for now.

[fleet acorn]

my liberalio is around 40% atk also, but im still struggling to buff my C5 sbs, so need to pump her more

[tropic summit]

dunno would need to ask TiBi he looked into that and i remember him saying that buffs that should be applied after bursting didn't apply to her nuke

@swift mango found it

#1431620795435581571 message

@swift mango

but since her burst nuke has delayed cast after initial cast, and the nuke still hits even if she died in between inital cast and nuke. all her fb and non-fb buffs inclduing OLs are gone once shes dead and thus results in a really weak nuke

so as you said, as long as she's alive, she retains the buffs, if she's dead, the nuke loses them all

gotta use her in stall/indom teams to ensure she's alive until nuke lands

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

feels like this could be solved by SU making it a snapshot based nuke

stats/buffs at cast are retained until damage is resolved on the destination

instead of calculating them based on lib being ded or alive

[keen vapor]

I wouldn't do otherwise

[placid bloom]

if it was on cast then she wouldn't get FB multiplier anyway

they have to change how FB works

[swift mango]

Yeah it's always a thing. Just like HelmT won't burst Emi 2rl nuke if she died to a 2rl B3 instant nuke.

[placid bloom]

Lib is just a little too slow though

[swift mango]

Well, that would make Midhara dot more OP in Arena. Not that I mind, Midhara being Tophara.

At least, Libby has her Niche of making Bay worse than she already is.

An Emi without needing buffer. But got blocked by Same speed and a little slower Noah. Instead of full 1RL to 2rl slower Noah.

[tropic summit]

totally intended

[umbral crown]

But but bay stonks

[tropic summit]

• massive slash from one of the strongest pilgrims on the planet? easy
• getting shot by this cute tsundere maid? easy
• getting slashed by this emotionless grill from EVA? easy
• getting DP'ed by lasers by one of the strongest former heretics on the planet? if timed right, easy
• a little shower in the summer? good lord i can't block that

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/bay-bay-burst-bay-burst-skill-nikke-nikke-bay-gif-15135782781527473269

[keen vapor]

Oh, so that's why XP can defeat me now...

[gritty ridge]

Whose the maid??? Privaty?

Also youre saying 3rl bay cant block 2rl libby?

[tropic summit]

you gonna get a nice shower instead

[gritty ridge]

Dont let her near your dolls

Or underwear

[swift mango]

Even 3RL Noah without CS probably can't.

[gritty ridge]

3rl noah has been tested

It blocks lib

They either need to reduce her delay or extend it to outlast noah on same speed

[swift mango]

Zero CS overall 3RL Noah vs Zero CS overall 2RL Libby? I can't find that to test in my Arena.

[gritty ridge]

Gimme 2nd emi nuke

[swift mango]

Best I could do is my 2RL with 11% CS overall Libby vs 3RL (2.5RL) Noah with whichever CS they had on Helm (or Jackal), ofc it got blocked.

[gritty ridge]

Do you want me to test it blood?

My noah has like 4% cs

[swift mango]

You have opponent with exactly 2RL Libby or Exactly 3RL Noah?

[gritty ridge]

I can check their blabla

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Great

[tropic summit]

no need, i've delivered, @gritty ridge

[gritty ridge]

Nice

Saves me having to gem rookie again

[swift mango]

You sure both team exactly 0CS overall?

[tropic summit]

2RL vs 3RL

as if zlaw has CS% you silly he's pve main

[gritty ridge]

Hes a nice fella tho

Ive helped him out before

[tropic summit]

yes but we can't say the same about you

[gritty ridge]

[charred wedge]

was the reshuffle kind to you guys?

[tropic summit]

the most peaceful i've had in 12 months

[swift mango]

His Noah has 9-11%. His Noise even has 16%.

[charred wedge]

Omg u deserve this peace with all the help u give. Good karma i'd say

[tropic summit]

wow must've been mistakes

is that enough to hit 2.5RL tho? in the vid he looks 3RL

[swift mango]

Pretty sure it made to burst with Noah 3rd hit. Idk how rounding goes. He was 9.82% so could either be 8% or 11%.

[tropic summit]

which means we don't know if 3RL 0CS% might catch it, but we know any minimun CS%, which most pvpers has, will catch it even on 3RL

[gritty ridge]

Rookie? No. Spa? Same as usual

[swift mango]

Let's say it's a 3RL team with 8% CS overall. Idk the opponent though.

[tropic summit]

opponent was on 97% to 2RL without quantum, with quantum natural 2RL

[charred wedge]

thankfully this was the case for me. In rookie i can only get to 2nd place but its whatevs. SP top 10 is alright

[gritty ridge]

Rookie I get to sit in 3rd-4th

[tropic summit]

nayuta lib rh rumani sbs

[charred wedge]

oh nvm

[gritty ridge]

Im getting bullied

[tropic summit]

pantsuu

[swift mango]

If he was exactly 2rl or a bit slow. Then it mean if he had more CS he might get his nuke in before Zlaw Noah, who knows.

I remember Tibi showed 2RL Libby team get over a 3rl Noah team. So probably not normal but happened.

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta anis rh siren rumani
• lib sbs anchorIM drake rapunzel
• auto (any high CP leftovers in any order)

Rookie

• nayuta lib rh rumani sbs

#pvp-arena message

[charred wedge]

did i really deserve this @ mods , what was it this time

[tropic summit]

i haven't seen many examples of lib 2RL vs noah 3RL, but the few i saw always had noah catching it, it's just that slow

[charred wedge]

pantsuu who are they

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/madman-kazuma-thief-steal-pantie-thief-gif-18311484

[swift mango]

Maybe if it was someone like Keripo with 18% CS 2RL vs 8% CS 3RL Zlaw.

@worldly osprey Bro, new CA coming see you could make something better with Libby and Nayuta to win without Emi.

[gritty ridge]

[quartz rover]

Do you think a 2rl/2.5 indom vesti beats a scarlet Trina rh 3rl team

[gritty ridge]

Yes

[rich ledge]

@tropic summit I got 1 more ammo line still blocked by the invuln

[gritty ridge]

You need like 24 ammo to run indom vesti

[tropic summit]

yeah 1 ammo away

rumani would die with the next barrage, but you were reloading

[quartz rover]

Nice

[tropic summit]

you can also just change strategy and approach that team with mirror variant but with vesti instead

noah bis vestiTU helmt RH

if you don't wanna bother rolling OLs

[swift mango]

2RL Nayuta actually nuke before 2RL Noah shield.

[rich ledge]

Oo it will work?

[tropic summit]

yeah you'd have better DPS

cindy main kit is during nuke, then she's mid-tier DPS

vesti excells at both nuke and DPS

let alone if you buff her with RH

[quartz rover]

Trashdoves the whale hunter

[gritty ridge]

Twinsies

Will you be in this CA?

I just wanna say hi

[rich ledge]

But these are the 3 teams I will need to change the other team

Round 1 and 2 and skipping 3

[gritty ridge]

But t3 looks super fun

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

do you've bay?

[rich ledge]

Yup bay but not treasured

[tropic summit]

actually just post your box

[worldly osprey]

yeah, that’s definitely good news, tysm. but the bad news is i still haven’t rolled nayuta or liber

[swift mango]

Nayuta

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

if you've the units above and meet CP, you're good to go

[tropic summit]

xmaiden will do instead of lappy

give jackal quantum

assemble the teams and show CP

[wild hemlock]

Does Nayuta really need good OL's? or do you just need atk and that's about it

[tropic summit]

eleatk and atk

she needs no ammo due to her kit nature

[midnight marsh]

Is there a consensus on what Liberalio’s ideal OLs are?

[wild hemlock]

Alright shouldn't be too hard for rocks then for her. How much CS does Lib want? Is higher still better like 18% ideal or something

[tropic summit]

we don't have accurate data on lib

in general 11%-15%CS is a good stopping number

[wild hemlock]

Darn that means it's probably going to be a x4atk x4 ele x4 cs hell unit

[tropic summit]

bah it depends on where you plan to use lib

on natural 2RL you don't need to worry

[wild hemlock]

Just debating if I start rolling them or keep min maxing my vesti to grab 2 more ele rolls lol

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

you'll likely want some ammo

[rich ledge]

I think CP doesn't quite make it

[tropic summit]

T1 needs 813k
T2 needs 818k

also the teams should be reversed, your vesti goes against their cindy and your cindy agaisnt their scarlet

you're only 20 levels apart but the lad seems clearly more invested

try again when you boost your pvp core units i guess

xmaiden for example can be subbed by lib if you invest in her

as for centi, if you had treasured laplace, she'd fit quite well while rising your CP

(opponent has her)

[rich ledge]

I think the guy has quit 10 day ago login

[tropic summit]

then just wait and you'll beat em

[glad meteor]

eos soon

[fickle jetty]

need help again

[tropic summit]

do you've rosanna

[fickle jetty]

not.build yet

[tropic summit]

show your box

[tropic summit]

is vestiTU 11%CS?

[fickle jetty]

7.2

[tropic summit]

do you know if it's bsoda and helm linked or if it's soda and rosanna linked in enemy team?

[fickle jetty]

not sure

from my old video
ig its bsoda and rosanna

[tropic summit]

oke

[tropic summit]

probably last question, do you've quantum 7?

[fickle jetty]

yes

[tropic summit]

assemble this team (left) and post the matchup so we can check CP before submitting

noah temperance
biscuit vigor
cindy temperance
helmt any
jackal quantum

1st attempt will be more of a damage test, need to know if this is enough to kill bsoda

as we actually don't want to kill her

[oak hatch]

Does this win?

[tropic summit]

you're dead to indom

noah biscuit vestiTU lib jackal although would be a different story

[oak hatch]

If I kill his other units his scarlet won’t do much no?

[tropic summit]

you need to maximize biscuit usage

if you let link unit in p1 take dmg, whole link takes dmg, then biscuit casts stack on noah AND jackal

you lose a total of 5s of stalling

noah biscuit vestiTU lib jackal

only noah takes dmg and p2 minor splash

you maximize stack usage and ensure you stall for over 10s

this assumes vesti is 11%CS

[oak hatch]

She only has 9%

[tropic summit]

eh might be enough but can't confirm, give it a shot and we'll find out

without CS%

with CS%

iirc 8% may be enough, i only know 11%-15% is the safe number

2RL or 2.3RL might catch both the nuke, as you're not feeding anyway

[gritty ridge]

Rail is electric kinda a bad element

[fickle jetty]

[gritty ridge]

Theres very few water units in arena atm

[tropic summit]

lmao

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

le wild rosanna indom, bro didn't even set bsoda as lowest HP in the link

[oak hatch]

@tropic summit it was enough thx for explaining how to use biscuit effectively, I thought if I put the link unit in p1 my team would burst faster so it would be better

[tropic summit]

interesting that rosanna targetted helmt and jackal, even tho link was broken at 1RL... positioning always so random with ros in p3

[tropic summit]

ah nice, 8%CS is in fact enough

[radiant coral]

Why Indom? Isn’t Trina bursting?

[tropic summit]

yes i just noticed, opponent placed blanc behind trina

took precautions for nothing i guess, better safe than without

i always assume opponent knows what they doing

[radiant coral]

o

[oak hatch]

Oh they messed up no wonder scarlet died quick

[livid prairie]

the ada always survive and then laplace fails to kill the noah, swapped laplace and helm won once and lost once

[tropic summit]

replace laplace with vesti:TU

[livid prairie]

no vesti unfortunatly

[tropic summit]

you need p1 pressure to kill ada and helm with rosanna

emilia available?

[livid prairie]

also no emilia

[tropic summit]

might aswell go slower liberalio

try slapping this

don't use any quantum, you want to be 3RL

in fact maybe we could just put a crown in there

hyperbuff lib

(this one needs quantum 7 on noah)

(quantum 3 on noah and biscuit is also enough in case)

[livid prairie]

would rrh work here with a different team ofc

[tropic summit]

you telling me you don't have RH either?

rh and lib were both running banners

[livid prairie]

no i have rh

[tropic summit]

then you lack lib?

[livid prairie]

no i have both

[tropic summit]

got cinderella ?

RRH regardless wouldn't work, you need a burst type

RRH is DPS

[livid prairie]

the only characters for pvp that i don't have are vesti and emilia

and wind rei

[tropic summit]

ye liberalio will be lethal on that as long as you hit when noah shield is down

should be 1hitko and prevent them from running lifesteal

run either of the examples above and record

[swift mango]

Just do a common 2rl Noise Noah Cindy.

Or Noah+Biscuit+Cindy

Even S.Anis instead of Cindy would do

[marble saddle]

@swift mango just outta curiosity does Rossana only need 4 atk OL stats?
or is anything else needed? like ammo etc

[clear depot]

Guys, could anyone suggest me some possible teams with the Nikkes i have for SP.Arena?
(ps: Rumani and Trina i have them without Overload gear, they are not ready to be used on my deck yet)

For guidance, this is my current defense for SP

1. Noise - Jackal - SBS - T.Helm - T.Bay
2. Noah - Cinderella - T.Laplace - Siren - Biscuit
3. Rapunzel - TUVesti - x.Maiden - Blanc - Rosanna

[livid prairie]

noah's shield still up when lib bursts (went for quantum 7 on biscuit instead of noah )

[tropic summit]

you've a very good box to pretty much run anything, if you need ideas you could also run this once your utilities are better invested

[tropic summit]

which team did you run?

[livid prairie]

crown

[tropic summit]

this?

[livid prairie]

yes

[tropic summit]

dafuq.

[livid prairie]

does lag affect arena ?

[tropic summit]

how's a 2RL noah shield be still up at 4.5RL (time nuke lands)

run it 4RL

unless you've CS% which somehow kicked you into 2.5RL

the above is 3.5RL at worst with CS%

record the match if you can

[livid prairie]

4% on lib and 3% cs on noah

[tropic summit]

ye shouldn't matter then

[livid prairie]

the thing is it's 4rl on nikke deck with quantum on biscuit, that's what i don't understand, but it shoudl be wrong since noah shield was still up ?

[tropic summit]

enemy is 2RL, you're 4RL

enemy noah shield lasts 3s, if your nuke is cast at 4RL it will have to land when noah shield is down on the enemy side

even assuming you'll be 3.5RL, nuke lands at 4.5RL, which is way past noah shield expiration

as long as you're not somehow kicking you team into faster thresholds

just record it so i can give you my feedback aswell in case

[livid prairie]

i will just try it with no cube later and see what happens

[clear depot]

Ohhhh thanks about my deck, I thought that could be somewhat good since I did stop 2 guys from trying on me after some successful defenses, but there is a 3rd guy who found a way to sneak it and win his attacks.

I was like wanting to try something new to win defense after this particular guy because he uses gems and I try to avoid to use them at all costs, maybe 200 per season and I'm still giving too much for my taste

[tropic summit]

oke

[clear depot]

And I'll save your suggestion deck, thanks!
But there is a smol problem, I don't have OG scarlet so I can't copy 3rd tram

[livid prairie]

and thank you btw

[tropic summit]

here's another idea scarlet-less then

1 early pressure and 2 stall teams

[tropic summit]

you welcome

[terse abyss]

how fast do you have to be for burst3 to go before siren's stun? or is it not possible

[gritty ridge]

1rl

Basically not possible

[warm monolith]

Help plz @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

B3 on 2RL cannot be faster than siren stun landing in p1
at best you can be B2 2RL on 11%CS team wide

the only time you can burst with B3 before siren stun is if you're fed into 1RL or 1.5RL

[terse abyss]

Kinda sux, i guess its to counter scarlet/trina from being too op

[tropic summit]

T1 noah bis cindy helmt rumani
T2 skip
T3 jackal vestiTU laplaceT blanc centi

[tropic summit]

well scarlet is actually siren immune if she's with only 1 or no ammo OLs

[terse abyss]

where should i put soda as a def team in SP arena? Ive seen some people put it on the scarlet/jackal team

[terse abyss]

oo

[tropic summit]

any team that can leverage that 1s stun, notably indeed scarlet

[terse abyss]

so if i do scarlet/blanc/trina/anis/jackal

its still ok

[warm monolith]

Allright,thank you

[tropic summit]

you can remove blanc from that equation, she actually nerfs your damage

it's either

scar blanc rh centi jackal
or
scar trina rh centi jackal

[terse abyss]

wouldnt my scarlet just die tho

[tropic summit]

centi can be flexed

[terse abyss]

cuz it gets stunned

by mermaid

[tropic summit]

scarlet is immune from 0RL to 1RL with trina, plus she's linked from 1RL to 2RL

[tropic summit]

she won't get stunned if you run 1 ammo or less OL

on 2RL speed

because when siren stun lands, she'll be reloading, stun hits cover

[terse abyss]

wow

thats crazy knowledge

shit i indeed have 2 ammo OL

and one of them is black at 85% lol

[tropic summit]

you can remove one or run scarlet with flex p1 to catch the stun

e.g.

alice scarlet trina rh jackal

or run 2RL with p1 B1

jackal scarlet trina flex flex

keep in mind the flex p1 to catch the stun is situational and should only be used on attack

[terse abyss]

yea on attack i have no problem since people in my league doesnt even use mermaid on def lol

ok ill try it with 85% ammo

see if thats still too much

[keen vapor]

I got sniped

I haven't checked but I'm sure of it

[tropic summit]

silly you not changing def 2 minutes prior to reset

[keen vapor]

I was on transport

[tropic summit]

sounds like a YOU problem

[keen vapor]

:why snapped:

[placid bloom]

2RL Lib beating 4RL Cindy Mihara as expected

so my prev issue was just being 3RL

did not expect her to be that slow

[terse abyss]

damn nobody in rookie arena for me to test the comp with

one guy has mermaid but also noah in the comp so it will be no good..

fudge it still got stunned

wait i prob shouldnt have the reload cube lol

[tropic summit]

scarlet ammo needs to be less than 33 (less than 60% ammo OL)

also check if you've this option on or off for rookie, as it counts differently for bullets in rookie

[terse abyss]

wtf that would change the outcome of pvp fights

[tropic summit]

ye rookie matches are calculated client side

[placid bloom]

only for rookie

[tropic summit]

SParena are server side (and CA)

[terse abyss]

these rules are random af

[placid bloom]

nah they just didn't put a lot of thought into the game when they made it

it's relic of their old code

[terse abyss]

whens the next gacha comin up from shiftupo

[tropic summit]

yeah you're on 3RL

that's not 4RL unfortunately

you can find out by counting biscuit's rockets

[terse abyss]

so uh should it be on or off lol

[lunar pawn]

emilia is officially over 25% cs

[tropic summit]

@placid bloom was it on or off to behave like in SP arena? don't remember honestly

[keen vapor]

I actually wasn't sniped...

[placid bloom]

off

[tranquil musk]

i sent my roster and my pvp teams asking how to change em to include biscuit but it got deleted for too many attachments so i'll send it as a video https://medal.tv/games/goddess-of-victory-nikke/clips/lwoqCavfRAevzaNml?invite=cr-MSxIbWUsNDE3MjAwODA5&v=12

my defense teams are same as my attack teams as i wasn't really sure how they differed

[keen vapor]

I MISSED THE SURFACE DAILY MISSIONS

[placid bloom]

there's no surface daily

[keen vapor]

IM HALF A ROCK BRICK

[livid prairie]

So i should make it zven slower

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/diesel-nikke-goddess-of-victory-brick-gif-2623610516969749425

[placid bloom]

you can stock up to 21 tickets and do it once a week

[tropic summit]

yep, we need to hit that 4RL

[terse abyss]

bro those dailies are annoyingly long to complete

[placid bloom]

only reason to do surface daily is if you need the rock earlier

[marble saddle]

easier method is
using nikke deck to show your opponents teams
using blablalink to post your nikke box

[placid bloom]

[keen vapor]

It's capped

[placid bloom]

okay you are brick

[tropic summit]

let's go with this next, this is a very slow natural 4RL

[placid bloom]

this what you get for slack too much

[marble saddle]

how can you miss surface dailies? did you let it overflow 21?

[placid bloom]

this is like missing OC

you have so long to do it and if you still forget it's your fault

[keen vapor]

Yes

[tropic summit]

how many rocks is that anyway... 7 x0.60... that's only 4 rocks, potentially 1 day bricked of kraken

you can recover... by rerolling the account and starting from 0

[keen vapor]

You won't get my Emilia

[marble saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/icc-cricket-cricket-world-cup-ic19-disgusted-cricket-fan-gif-14327626

[tranquil musk]

oh i didn't know i could do that with blablalink but wdym by the first point?

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/suou-yuki-roshidere-sister-suou-yuki-gif-1663464780068510263

[terse abyss]

im still geting stunnd, only has 27.8% max ammo on one gear

[marble saddle]

something like this
https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[terse abyss]

i cant tell when shes recharging tbh

[tropic summit]

conditions are:

• you're 2RL
• scarlet is in p1
• scarlet has less than 33 ammo (less than 60% ammo OL)
• there's no ammo refill B1 or B2 (e.g. siren)
• if rookie, that option i gave you earlier must be turned OFF

[tranquil musk]

fair but don't opponents change all the time? i would've thoughjt i'd leave it as one team i continually use till i get better units / gear

[terse abyss]

yep thats what i got atm

running with this team atm

i have to use blanc cuz its just autolose against this guy im testing with if i dont lol

has this chart for the speed

[tropic summit]

@placid bloom thoughts? he's theoretically matching all conditions

[terse abyss]

i got rid of the reload speed cube too

[marble saddle]

which is why you post the deck with updated teams
you can save the opponents team in the deck memory so if he runs a recycled team you can post it instantly

[terse abyss]

theres probably a range of ammo and now i have too little ammo maybe

[tranquil musk]

ah

[marble saddle]

Ehhh??? is this good?

[tropic summit]

CS% and atk doko? but ye ammo on 3rd line is gud

[marble saddle]

atk on 2 other gears and cs on 2 other gears

im not yet rerolling since i need to lvl 5 them all first

[tropic summit]

aim for 8%CS, 2 ammo, 2atk, 2ele

any extra CS% or atk is welcome addition

[keen vapor]

Why eight

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[livid prairie]

using cubes other than quantum and adjutant wouldn't matter right ?

[tropic summit]

you're so far away from 3RL that it wouldn't

lemme simulate assuming you've quantum and CS%

[marble saddle]

still alot of work to be done

[tropic summit]

nope looks fine

[tropic summit]

round up CS% and 1 more ammo and you're good to go

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit healer Bay:D

[keen vapor]

Vesti same requirement as Helm?!

[livid prairie]

yeah it worked with anchor

[tropic summit]

i think i figured out why you were getting promoted to 3RL btw

noah from enemy side was taunting in p2 your p1 and p2, which makes you splash on 3 units instead of 2

that was enough to kick you from 4RL or 3.5RL into 3RL

with this slower option only anchor was hitting splash on 3 units, and with that far away % from 4RL, you were fine

[late tiger]

isn´t 15% better than 8%?

[marble saddle]

he meant min

[tropic summit]

absolutely, aim for 15% if possible

[late tiger]

mmk

[tropic summit]

although on vesti 8%CS is already barely enough to hit 2RL on promotable teams

(just like helmT)

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit any idea on how to deal with t3?
#pvp-arena message

[late tiger]

is there a point in maxing charge speed?
or rather, i have to check .work site again

[placid bloom]

what was this up against

[tropic summit]

very high CS% can enable you to hit 1.5RL or just outspeed enemy to hit B2 when you shouldn't

[placid bloom]

Mermaid stun?

[tropic summit]

jackal scarlet trina flex flex, 2RL

siren, helmt and biscuit will be ded

[late tiger]

man, 1.5rl
if only we had enough stones

[livid prairie]

i think it was 3.5rl and not 4rl, let me send you the vid so you would check it

[tropic summit]

that could be, 3.5RL or 4RL both would've been fine, as it was a shield cast on 2RL

[tropic summit]

ye that's 3.5RL

anchor splashing on 3 targets was enough for that uh

you also get biscuit splash from 2RL to 3.5RL as noah taunts whole team

[livid prairie]

so you count 1rl when it hits the target not when it's shot ?

[tropic summit]

interesting, thanks for sharing

[tropic summit]

ye it needs to hit

ironically if the rocket fails to land because the unit died while it was flying, it's called a "whiff" and it can tank your burst gen

@eager mountain 2RL noah covers up to 3RL lib
3.5RL lib lands after shield expires

[livid prairie]

if you use a weak unit could you make a rl whiff on purpose or is it too risky as a strategy ?

[tropic summit]

that's actually used in sacc comps but it's pretty unreliable

e.g. you place an anis in p2 against heavy pressure splashers and hope she dies between 1RL to 2RL, that will halven the burst gen of all enemy splashers

[gaunt viper]

May I have a comp suggestion please , my T2 is the only one that wins rn

[tropic summit]

got vesti built?

[gaunt viper]

Alas, I do not. I havent invested into her still

[tropic summit]

got rosanna built?

[livid prairie]

np, and thank you for helping me out

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit this good enough for his t2 and t3?
#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

you welcome, thanks for sharing

[gaunt viper]

no

[tropic summit]

why the alice in T3

[marble saddle]

you said flex flex for pos 4 and 5

[tropic summit]

and what's that T2

[tropic summit]

ye but 2RL, you're 27% to 2RL

[marble saddle]

beginner cook

[marble saddle]

hmm gonna have to find a flex that high burst and high atk then?

[tropic summit]

clip SG burst gen non feeders is your best friend when you looking for flexes

xmaiden, lib, emilia, laplaceT

[placid bloom]

Vesti

[keen vapor]

Lib :0

[tropic summit]

additionally, since T3 is facing non jackal team, you can also include feeding clip SG burst gen tiers

noir, bsoda, drakeT and the likes

[marble saddle]

sadly only laplace has higher atk than scar in those 4

so if helm bursts i can say bye to scar and lap

[marble saddle]

hmm lemme check on this

[tropic summit]

for T3 you don't necessarely need linked scarlet but it would be prefered, helps you killing in particular siren

[tropic summit]

back to this, do you've midhara built?

[marble saddle]

wait you want scarlet to be linked to jackal for t3?

made these after your revisions

[tropic summit]

assemble these and show CP

[tropic summit]

T3 is fine if scarlet is linked, run it in union shooting range

you can remove one of the 2 flexes if she's not linked and replace with centi

e.g.

jackal scarlet trina centi laplaceT
or
jackal scarlet trina centi drakeT

the rest you'll get from feed

[marble saddle]

what about t2?

would emillia be able to kill his scar?

or will the rossana be the problem

[tropic summit]

against rosanna you need to use defender teams remember

think on that line, you know the answer already for sure

[marble saddle]

then that would mean cindy

[tropic summit]

helm can be sacc'ed

[tropic summit]

ye you getting there, now make a team with that plan

[gaunt viper]

erm, I do not have a Treasured Laplace . Also theres biscuit on there twice (I apologize for the inconvenience)

[tropic summit]

just assemble both and show CP

i know she's there twice, i need to see how you do with CP

then we can rotate as needed

[gaunt viper]

oh

[tropic summit]

if T3 has sufficient CP, can run this T2

[marble saddle]

i think emillia will prob die but if i dont use her/helm i cant reach 3RL

[tropic summit]

why the blanc and why emilia, where's your helmt

noah biscuit cindy helmt rumani

[marble saddle]

you said sack her

[tropic summit]

sacc means sacrifice, means she can die

doesn't mean to not use her

she shall serve in blood

[marble saddle]

my bad i thought it was the word sack aka kick

[tropic summit]

that's fine, assemble this for the other #pvp-arena message

if CP is gud you can run those

[gaunt viper]

My laplace isnt built at all so I did the next unit to make 2rl possible I had in mind

[tropic summit]

xmaiden not emilia

CP looks fine tho

also positioning and teams are wrong

[tropic summit]

T2 needs to be

• jackal noise helmt xmaiden noah

T3 fine as is

[tropic summit]

aye good to go now

record if you want to, just in case something doesn't go as planned

[gaunt viper]

I posted that from what you said before is why 😅

[gaunt viper]

Sure thing. ill let you know, thank you

[tropic summit]

last bit of min/maxing

jackal quantum
noise vigor
helm any
xmaiden any
noah temperance

[tropic summit]

you welcome

[gaunt viper]

already set

[gaunt viper]

So turns out i sweeped them

[tropic summit]

wew gapped them on 3rd team?

oh ye i can see the deficit advantage there

[gaunt viper]

Yeah i wondered if I could just stun their only B1 with Siren but ended up just nuking them

[tropic summit]

and nice i see you were lethal on moran, clean sweep indeed

[gaunt viper]

Thank you very much for your help. The weird thing was this person didnt attack me for 3 weeks

[kind gate]

any obvious tips on why i can't win this fight? I used to beat them every time but now I always lose.

[coarse solstice]

Change to a lower feed team

Noah or Blanc

[kind gate]

I've never heard of lower feed, but ill look at those characters

I don't have either built atm (actually noah is one of the characters i'm missing lol)

[coarse solstice]

RL and SR shoot less so they feed into jackyl less. Her ability speeds up how fast the team bursts. With a SMG and SG they burst faster than you even at a deficit

[kind gate]

ohhh I didn't know that

I see, thank you

[tropic summit]

sh*t he's alive

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

[coarse solstice]

Been chilling in my union discord for the most part

I just forget to pop in here 😔

[placid bloom]

You missing out on the Hime daily erp

[coarse solstice]

Nah she posts just as much in our discord

[shell hazel]

ura how you do on solo raid sir?

[coarse solstice]

One sec

[tropic summit]

btw for this matchup if you've any faster nuker you can punish that team, as urawhat said you still need to avoid feeding

they're also running nayuta b2 so they're wide open to even slow nukes

[shell hazel]

you're ahead of me

[coarse solstice]

Sitting at like .84% now

[placid bloom]

Not bad

Seem people becoming PvE main

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/inception-deeper-go-deeper-we-need-to-go-deeper-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-16756828

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

on a good day I can +100-200M more maybe but this is pushing my limits lol

my Tove is not treasured

[tropic summit]

@kind gate you can for example run either of these

[placid bloom]

I feel like you are baited by Rouge Cinderella combo like everyone else

[coarse solstice]

Tove is goated got her finished a few weeks ago

[shell hazel]

I lack any other built units here that work tbh

[coarse solstice]

You mean rogue 2b

[placid bloom]

Lemme show you a secret

This free up Rouge Blanc for SG team

Which is miles better than Blanc Noir

[shell hazel]

curious I can try it

my dkw is not built though

[tropic summit]

eh same output?

that's peculiar

[placid bloom]

Tbh the B1 optimzation is so minimal

The damage increase from Rouge for Cinderella when it’s not ele weak is very whatever

Meanwhile SDoro DrakeT with cdr is miles better than BSoda Noir

Because of how many more rotations of SDoro you get

Especially since half the time you bursting RH and not Rouge anyway

[shell hazel]

just testing it

it's pretty close certainly, if my dkw was bit better built might be the same as with my rouge yep

[placid bloom]

it's specifically because you are bursting RH on Cinderella rotation

[shell hazel]

depends on the changes that rouge can bring to the other teams

[placid bloom]

so you are only losing a little Rouge damage on the non-RH rotation

which is nothing really

[shell hazel]

what do you run for the sg comp?

[placid bloom]

and you get to change your SG lineup to ToveT SDoro DrakeT Blanc Rouge

which is way stronger

[vapid lake]

this is no longer #pvp-arena , it's solo raid channel

[shell hazel]

doro tove drakeT blanc rouge?

[placid bloom]

well fix the Rouge positioning

ToveT Blanc SDoro Rouge DrakeT

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-gwyn-sunlight-spear-lightning-zeus-gif-18680745

[shell hazel]

slacking

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

not even 20B

[hollow lagoon]

my gear and skills didnt change

i just played better

[placid bloom]

my team 5 is a problem though I actually have nothing left

I tried Ada, sucks balls

I tried Alice, sucks balls

[hollow lagoon]

u do good bursting sanis with that comp insted of helm

[keen vapor]

[hollow lagoon]

assuming ur sanis have burst skill 9 that is

[placid bloom]

nah it actually makes almost no diff lmao, SAnis damage so bad

[hollow lagoon]

let me see ur comps?

[placid bloom]

she does like 400m if she's bursting the entire time, Helm does almost the same

[keen vapor]

I'll never do this

[placid bloom]

I can get like 150m extra moving Helm to team 1

but Tia Naga team 5 with no good core hitter is ass

XLud is ass

[wild drum]

@tropic summit yo i got new units can u give me 3 teams

[hollow lagoon]

no delta ninja?

[placid bloom]

who has gem to spend on Delta

[hollow lagoon]

the #1 in global and me apparantally

[placid bloom]

if I build ReiTN I can move Rapi to team 5

then I can consider Tia Naga comp

with Helm back to team 1

but I am not building Rei

[hollow lagoon]

rouge sg comp is actually neat if i didnt prefer my rouge on cindy team

oh u invested volume

[placid bloom]

no, Volume is naked

I just cover so she doesn't die

[limpid urchin]

what team of comp would you use to beat a team like its?

[hollow lagoon]

u have skill level?

[placid bloom]

1/4/4 or something

[hollow lagoon]

that's rough buddy

[placid bloom]

R0 doll no OL

well I would need a better B3 to even be able to move Rapi around first

right now she is stuck on Crown team even if she is neutral

because she outdamages everyone

[hollow lagoon]

tis fair

[placid bloom]

nobody else can go on that team for a damage increase

[hollow lagoon]

u can

put xlude at wind asuka and get higher damage on rapi and siren

[placid bloom]

nah XLud is too weak without good OL

[hollow lagoon]

and move windasuka to nayuta

[placid bloom]

I have 1 ammo and 1 Atk on her or something

she does like 500m the entire fight

barely better than Helm

[hollow lagoon]

that's fine

ur point is her skill1 on rapi and siren anyway

[placid bloom]

hmm I am losing core dmg and perma Crown proc and still nowhere to put Naga

the sad thing is my Scar Trina does like 2x of any other B3 I have remaining

[hollow lagoon]

use a tia naga team for t5

[placid bloom]

so no Tia Naga team

[hollow lagoon]

right no delta ninja

[placid bloom]

no it's because I have to use Trina B2 so can't Naga

[hollow lagoon]

where's ur bade/grave comp

put xlude at redhood

[placid bloom]

there is no burst gen if I take out RH, that comp don't work

[hollow lagoon]

gen with dkw i guess

wait

u dont have bade/grave?

[placid bloom]

I have but the only place to stick them is SG team

[hollow lagoon]

no

[tropic summit]

1) noah biscuit archetype

• noah biscuit helmt laplacet noise
• noah biscuit vestitu helmt noise (vesti 8%CS)
• noah biscuit helmt xmaiden noise
• noah biscuit helmt rosanna laplaceT/emilia (assumes rosa is SR5 or SR15, on temperance)
  ...

2) rosanna archetypes

• rosanna jackal helmt xmaiden noah
• noah biscuit helmt rosanna laplaceT (assumes rosa is SR5 or SR15, on temperance)
  ...

3) early pressure archetypes

• vestitu emilia laplaceT ros noah (assumes rosa is SR5 or SR15, on temperance)
  ...

4) siren stun archetypes

• jackal siren helmt xmaiden noah (assumes siren is linked)
  ...

[placid bloom]

if I go DKW Nayuta SG, and Rouge Blanc Cindy, it's dps loss. That was what I used before

I get more dps increase from RH triple buffing Cindy + Mihara + Nayuta

[wild drum]

Anyone?

[tropic summit]

• crown biscuit ein anis rh
• nayuta naga sbs neon tia
• auto

you don't have much yet, ask for updates when you find jackal/noah or when helm treasured is available

[hollow lagoon]

@placid bloom

[placid bloom]

oh yeah I tried Ada too, she is also dps loss

[wild drum]

Oof okay but those 2 teams should be good enough right or are they good at all or

[placid bloom]

her buff actually so mid

[wild drum]

And what does RL burst mean

[tropic summit]

they're the best you can run in terms of balance of speed and CP atm

they're not great until you unlock more pvp core units

[wild drum]

Ok good thing im bouta break wall soon ig

[hollow lagoon]

u dont have much of a choice, unless u invested phantom for def reduction

[tropic summit]

for arena jargon, i suggest reading this, 5-10 minutes
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[vapid lake]

Ok

[tropic summit]

as if you need that

[vapid lake]

Me noob no bully

[tropic summit]

if you noob we're doomed

[wild drum]

Reading oh nooo

[tropic summit]

i know, in 2025 that's not a common skill anymore

try your best

[wild drum]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-nikke-musan-pro-nikke-drake-villain-gif-17047201527014059701

[eager mountain]

ye that’s what’s my calc got as well

[gritty ridge]

I cant read

I only know how to harass rail

[timber depot]

for real

ive read pretty much all of prydwen and came out with 10% more knowledge than I had going in

[gritty ridge]

On the plus side, I graduated from rails school of pvp with a full 2.0 gpa

[gritty ridge]

After I build moran ive gotta build my batteries

Its been put off for way too long

[tropic summit]

rumani sr15

[gritty ridge]

Its between her, bay, and laplace

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/lewd-trinity-seven-anime-sign-gif-7407062

give lappy some love first, get her treasured

bay can be last

[gritty ridge]

Bro I remember being so excited to be able to use x.anne and then I came to the conclusion that poli is actually meta

She such a cutie too

[tropic summit]

my first SSR, my first B2 in campaign and my first scarlet team

(scar poli liter centi jackal)

[gritty ridge]

My first ssr was signal lmao

Unless you count my old account

Cuz then it was yuni

[hollow lagoon]

my first ssr was

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1418792414956490792/ezgif-311cbcb8f683d1.gif

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit He chagned them, last attack worked on the old defense btw, the quantum on lap was what was missing like you said

[oak hatch]

How do you counter this team?

[leaden canyon]

jackal blanc biscuit vesti helmT can work as an example

[oak hatch]

I don’t have helmt

[leaden canyon]

Or noise noah centi rapunzel laplace and add quantum cubes till its 2RL

would need lapT though

Or just use vesti

[hollow lagoon]

anything with a bait at p1 with noah and bursts in 2 rl

or even just bay

[leaden canyon]

any 2RL noise noah team beats it, any 2RL blanc team beats it with the b1 being in p1

[hollow lagoon]

or if u feeling spicy rosana it

@oak hatch have cindy?

or liberalio

[umbral crown]

hawt

[oak hatch]

This worked but with nayuta

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-tia-explosion-goddness-of-victory-boom-gif-10356743037255363170

[umbral crown]

[oak hatch]

Sneaky opponent changed teams right when I was spamming him and lost one

[tropic summit]

jackal rumani cindy helmt noah

it's scarlet glass cannon with siren in p5, nothing you've to worry about

[tropic summit]

ye the silly things sometimes matter the most, like 1 quantum

[jagged coral]

need team for sp arena

[hollow lagoon]

the lad no haz helmt

its my bracket all overagain, first guy with helmT laying the blood bath

[covert lintel]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jqY7fWyEIMY
Emi rerun soon

[oak hatch]

Everyone in my bracket has it besides me

[tropic summit]

i dunno their vestiTU team feels very familiar

[tropic summit]

[leaden canyon]

yeah they do that variation a lot

If I beat this he will probably either go blanc instead of noah or add lap to it

I guess that lib team we were using before will kill slow cindy

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• scarlet lib blanc trina jackal
• nayuta helmt rh emilia centi
• noah biscuit cindy drakeT noise

Notes

• build vestiTU and emilia
• improve CP on your utilities (noah, biscuit, trina, centi, noise, blanc)

[leaden canyon]

Actually let me look at my recordings

[tropic summit]

you can definitely find what we used to counter that, it feels very dejavu

iirc it was rosanna with helmt to kill vesti and emi then finish off ada

[leaden canyon]

oh right, this happened because of emilia and we decided to switch emilia to something else, I think drake or centi?

and then he changed the defense before I could hit with the corrected team

[tropic summit]

oh right jackal to let rosanna live in p2

man that team was insane to cook

[leaden canyon]

I need to scroll back to what we cooked for that slow cindy team but pretty sure we ended up just replacing emilia with centi

[tropic summit]

probably, need little splash to not procc blanc

[jagged coral]

thanks

[tropic summit]

maybe something like this

[leaden canyon]

#pvp-arena message

Found it

[tropic summit]

oh centi and jackal alone