pvp-arena

[shell hazel]

if you recognise the movie 😄

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

is mango man still not allowed?

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/hp-harry-potter-snape-always-stare-gif-17584635

[shell hazel]

🙁

[placid bloom]

Trumpet

[tropic summit]

Trumpoline

[placid bloom]

Tramp

[glad meteor]

This is my main opp atm

[shell hazel]

trumpstamp

[glad meteor]

Guy is relentless

[shell hazel]

gemming gemming gemming

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

new fan of yours

[shell hazel]

at least you making them work for it 😄

[placid bloom]

he is making sure you know your place

[glad meteor]

Old

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

he's consistent at least

doesn't want to let you go, loves you too much

[glad meteor]

We been at war since forever

[shell hazel]

I had a back and forth for 1/2 but mostly we didn't gem

[glad meteor]

We’ve known each for long. Too long

[shell hazel]

booba whale - now he isekaid, might come back later

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/exterminador-do-futuro-gif-20118743

[glad meteor]

3 months

[shell hazel]

yeah it was experimental 😛

[umbral belfry]

THEY CENSORED IT

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

this is tragic

[glad meteor]

[placid bloom]

it's because you're not pink name

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

we can't discriminate now, this is 2025, my dear apache helicopter

[umbral belfry]

the way it wasn't censored before tho boooo tomato

[tropic summit]

can't have good things anymore

[placid bloom]

you can become MA and ask for uncensor

[glad meteor]

No fun allowed

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

we can invent new vocabulary

[shell hazel]

speaking of - have a good helicoptering?

Hime - I don't believe you died btw, in my head you're still locked in

[umbral belfry]

I fulfilled my CA pie sacc duty tho

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

you won't guess how I lost tho

[shell hazel]

one more pie for the piedom

[umbral belfry]

didn't see that coming

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

ye restocked the fridge and the goods

[slate falcon]

[shell hazel]

what how the wut da hell

[placid bloom]

seem like Ros one-shot Blanc

[tropic summit]

losing against SG with a biscuit locked team is a war crime

[umbral belfry]

rosa crit killed blanc

[shell hazel]

mihara not on highest atk?

[umbral belfry]

and it cost me the game

[placid bloom]

she is

[shell hazel]

ros hits 2 highest though

[umbral belfry]

here

[placid bloom]

no she hit 2 attacker

[shell hazel]

rosanna!!!!

[tropic summit]

no ross hits p1 and p2 you silly, if no attacker is present

[placid bloom]

her dispel is 2 highest Atk

[umbral belfry]

look

[tropic summit]

hime got 4D chess'ed

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/rosanna-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-rosanna-nikke-gif-15418906129048919105

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

silly CA things

literally run w/e and it still can work

[placid bloom]

it's because you don't have enough tempura cube

[uncut egret]

What about now that I have jackal too?

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[onyx scaffold]

I wonder if Keripo won 4-1

[shell hazel]

speaking of, resi and tempura 10 soon. then I get to pick which to get to 11

[onyx scaffold]

Cuz I kinda like his opponent's teams

[umbral belfry]

okie back to work

[shell hazel]

that isn't work Hime!

that is doggo fun

being paid to have fun

[glad meteor]

congrats. The inevitable happened to you

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/poli-nikke-dog-commander-gacha-gif-9445538349954016067

[shell hazel]

perfect

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-snow-white-absolute-cinema-gif-2397554993248994567

[shell hazel]

sometimes I think just copy/pasta last CA winner is easy life 😄

but I kind of like actually cooking a bit as well tbh

[glad meteor]

Well hello there

Do you lose or win

I’m voting loser

[tropic summit]

i dunno i should've lost previous match to be fair

uh lemme c quickly

[shell hazel]

rail champ run

[glad meteor]

I was thinking rail win

[tropic summit]

T1 RNGy
T2 prolly win
T3 lose
T4 probably lose
T5 prolly win

[shell hazel]

so 3-2 on rng? :p

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Thinking you win 1/2/5

[glad meteor]

Its sg rosa vs moran noah. He is moran noah and on def so shud win me think

[tropic summit]

K is probably right

side here is winning me the battle if it does go as intended

defense is just that much stronger in this case

another problem with CA, being attack/defense can make the difference

and you've no tools to estimate if it happens or not, just gotta hope it favours you

[cunning crown]

[tropic summit]

if i ever get champ it would be an insult to anyone who actually bothered investing for CA

and Blood would be the first i'd ping

[umbral belfry]

I got uno reversed

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-you-shall-not-pass-not-pass-gandal-the-grey-gandalf-gif-7706023

[swift mango]

Now that I think about it, their team is basically what I suggested Keripo to do and he refused. So not that weird to happen. Just I didn't know the new indom interaction beforehand.

Oh well, I would still win if I didn't get back shot though.

[tropic summit]

@eager mountain

[tropic summit]

🫃

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-kana-gif-7441334008951759059

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-running-anime-running-running-love-live-gif-22710773

[uncut egret]

Anything new I can make? Added biscuit a couple days ago, and jackal today.

[tropic summit]

with biscuit and jackal you could make a 3rd team potentially

gonna take a look

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-kana-gif-7441334008951759059

[tropic summit]

add this third team

jackal nayuta cindy biscuit ein

[uncut egret]

Ty

[tropic summit]

once you unlock more of the units i told you about can further upgrade these

keep investing in your pve team for now @uncut egret

siren/RH/nayuta/liter/mmast/anchorIM/SBS

these will be used a lot

[shell hazel]

railtracer wise, listen to him, you must

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-8063259

btw @shell hazel turns out duet night abyss isn't too bad, the core issue is how the gameplay/action is ironically the lower quality part

story, characters and overall game flow is actually not too bad

if they fixed how sluggish the action plays out, this could be a good alternative to Warframe and The First Descendant

wonder if they felt rushed and had to release it before actually optimizing it

[shell hazel]

my problem with these kinds of games is how much stuff they want you to go and do

all takes time/effort

[tropic summit]

yes that is true, although it feels far more guided than warframe/first descendat are, as you can obtain anything at your pace

[shell hazel]

ananta def looks more promising there

[tropic summit]

oh for sure, this is a filler for now

[shell hazel]

I played some first descendant was fun

I played with a couple of friends

had to go get something from a mission thing, 30% drop rate. took me 20 tries lol

30% missed 19 times in a row 🙁

quit pretty soon after cba to re-run stuff for the sake of it

[tropic summit]

yes that's the downside of that game

you burn out so quickly

[onyx scaffold]

i have been copying for 3 months

[tropic summit]

plus having played a good chunk of warframe years ago, i'm no longer resistant to that kind of grind, so i'd burn out fast too

[onyx scaffold]

where is my win

[shell hazel]

I don't mind grinding a little but total RNG grinding for something I can't do without to progress

[tropic summit]

3 times CA winner?

[onyx scaffold]

im struggled to get top 32 now

[tropic summit]

ye very reasonable

[tropic summit]

ironically less copy pasta teams than i expected

(on right side)

mad lad running unprotected blanc

[shell hazel]

ah yes the classic poli siren cindy comp with ros

[onyx scaffold]

u can easily see unique teams at top 64/32

[shell hazel]

weird teams 😄

[tropic summit]

the guy on the right has so much copium on his p1 holding

[uncut egret]

Worth bringing them all to this as max investment?

[uncut egret]

I dont have any extra skill books, only spent like $20 so far. Im following F2P max skill investment for now...

[onyx scaffold]

[shell hazel]

siren is 10/10/10 eventually tbh

but 10/7/7 is a good start

7 is generally much easier to hit than 10 so you can spare some skill books elsewhere but I always want my pve meta at 10 unless the skill isn't great

like Alice 10/4/10 is fine and is the usual rec

even as f2p you do want 10/10/10 anyway

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel looks like there's more reasons to keep playin'

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit my bracket copied my moran nero libe comp send halp

[tropic summit]

good thing you've scarlet and tr- oh.

[fathom rock]

Sniper focus on atk vs def led to my neeo dying before 2nd burst

[tropic summit]

there's hope

vestiTU blanc rh lappy jackal

unleash le double bufferoni vestiTU

[fathom rock]

Deficit this guy literally has his stall team at higher power than his campaign but his other teams are doodoo

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

Like 25% gen from jackal feed

[tropic summit]

uhhhh

what's your vestiTU CS% again?

[fathom rock]

15

[swift mango]

Siren is 101010 mainly for Campaign. What do you do if not max out your main campaign units first?

[tropic summit]

might need to bench RH for HelmT

you still get crown and blanc buffs tho

[fathom rock]

I see a win, thanks

[tropic summit]

how's CP with helmT instead of RH?

[fathom rock]

Both not deficit

[tropic summit]

ye should be fine then, hyperbuff vesti will shred

[tribal nebula]

hi ! everyone, a good idea to beat this compo ?

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit rh helmt jackal

[fathom rock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946720097031045161/1437157517900910602/SVID_20251109_211020_1.mp4?ex=691238bd&is=6910e73d&hm=72c0b4b761f0f14326c0e41c8710eb0336f193d862dd8e0c56dac6440d5c7076& thankye

[tropic summit]

wowie that was a ton of feed alright, noice

[tribal nebula]

so biscuit is the key ?

i will try

[tropic summit]

biscuit will get your noah to get enemy stuck attacking invulnerable unit, which denies their sustain, while your RH will be hitting hard on her own B1 and B3, essentially you out trade

[fathom rock]

Biscu + noah same speed is something this team can't deal with because all single target damage being taunted to someone who gonna be immune for 13 secs

[tribal nebula]

ok thx for the explanations 😉

[leaden canyon]

Rail did you see what I'm dealing with now

[tropic summit]

what did he unleash from the grave

[leaden canyon]

ah, I @ you last night, let me find it

this

I'm 2% from being out of deficit with jackal sbs blanc drake helm

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmmmmmm, i feel like T1 and T3 you should win them though

problem is pushing out 2 teams that can at least be within 18-20% deficit

[leaden canyon]

I get melted

I would need to give up on sbs and I think put alice there instead

I have won with alice bursting before instead

[tropic summit]

these 2 are really slow

you could abuse with slow teams

keep in mind you need in both teams a p5 that resists SGs, so nayuta and biscuit will be split

ye i think you can win these

[leaden canyon]

Well color be surprised, throw something at me and I'll try it

[tropic summit]

can you share your box again?

[leaden canyon]

sure

[tropic summit]

we'll try using your best CP output

[leaden canyon]

k

[tropic summit]

we need bypass in T1 while T3 has a lot of freedom

T1 probably could use vesti

[leaden canyon]

see i was thinking that, I was thinking of just swapping vesti and sbs

Was unsure if sbs could kill t3

[leaden canyon]

I could send another screen shot but the only reliable unit is jackal on it and shes below the last row on here

Been working on helm and vesti

[tropic summit]

show CP with these for reference for starters

might need to switch around cindy

the fact he's embracing full CP padding means he's giving up though

kinda cowardish

[tribal nebula]

I'm going to take advantage of your help a bit, but the top player on my server uses the following team composition: Moran, Noah, Vesti, HelmT, Jackal (or Blanc instead of HelmT because I can't see his team with my current ranking, as he focuses me as soon as I have the misfortune of winning second place). Any ideas? (Knowing that my Soda isn't OL yet, so she's not ready to help me with this kind of team.)

[tropic summit]

that's rookie right?

[tribal nebula]

yep

[tribal nebula]

i use noise noah vesti helmT jackal in def

[tropic summit]

your teams are on the left dair, T3 looks like you mirrored it

[leaden canyon]

oh derp

[tropic summit]

T1 looking good tho, let's see T3

[leaden canyon]

I jsut got back home

[tropic summit]

can you show me your box so i know what you can run? we can punish that team with indom heavy carries

[tribal nebula]

ok wait a sec

[tropic summit]

T1 19% deficit
T3 21% deficit

T3 gonna need alice to go wild

not confident on T3 atm

although at least deficit is sorted imo

[leaden canyon]

Alice has killed through cindy on deficit before just fyi

[tropic summit]

think we can move cindy around and get someone to sacc in T1 as p5

since T3 doesn't have splashers, you can safely run cindy in p2

and cindy RH and blanc buffed is likely lethal on 21% deficit

[leaden canyon]

My alice has wiped that nayuta team before, only I dont think poli was there, and that was without hood buff

Idk if that gives you more confidence in alice or not

[tropic summit]

i'd feel safer with this approach

question is speed though

see what you wanna try, either alice or cindy

keep in mind if we let enemy burst T3 is doomed

[tropic summit]

i'm gambling that scarlet doesn't burst in time before you start casting cindy

[tribal nebula]

so, this is my full box

[tropic summit]

once cindy has cast you've at least 1 unit indommed

[leaden canyon]

noah has burstgen increase from high cs if that matters

[tropic summit]

oh that could do

[leaden canyon]

so does biscuit

they both at 15

[tropic summit]

only one way to find out

[leaden canyon]

true

[tropic summit]

oh shoot

p5 is ele weak

think SBS might be better than alice here

as flex p5

[tropic summit]

oke let's see

[tribal nebula]

😉

[leaden canyon]

sbs or lap

[tropic summit]

i feel like these 2 could've a chance

but before attempting:

• run those teams in union shooting range
• ensure vestiTU and emilia are linked in their respective team (jumping jackal buff, you can run shooting range to find out)

Notes:

• vestiTU temperance (or if emilia version, emilia temperance)
• blanc temperance
• RH any
• helmT any
• jackal quantum

[tropic summit]

oh let's go with lappy

the sooner you burst the better

[tribal nebula]

ok i test this

[tropic summit]

take a video as it helps giving me a clue how's the dmg output from both approaches

last bit i didn't tell you, vestiTU and emilia, apart from being linked, need to be the lowest HP in the link

[tribal nebula]

I can't capture video... but Emilia bursts in 4 seconds and Vesti in about 5 seconds.

[fathom rock]

Learn how to record

Pvp investment

[tribal nebula]

However, it is very likely that he will use Blanc instead of HelmT

I'm going to test this directly in the next few minutes (the link with Jackal is of course Emilia or Vesti)

[leaden canyon]

It worked, you are a prophet, Editing vid now

[tropic summit]

perfect, ensure HP is also the lowest on linked units for either vesti or emilia

[tropic summit]

wows

beatin the dude on 21% deficit let's go

[tribal nebula]

with Emilia

[tropic summit]

oh ye with video i meant once you were ready to run the actual match

you can check the buff and HP on your own don't worry

[tribal nebula]

I don't know if I'll have time to test it in the end (my wife is waiting) (probably tomorrow morning)

thx again !

[leaden canyon]

@covert lintel my t1 lost but my t4 won lmao

I guess nayuta sg team just wins against scarlet now

[tropic summit]

no worries you welcome

[leaden canyon]

Look at this CA cindy battle

[tropic summit]

DoT missing, where the f is the damage

[leaden canyon]

idk

bug?

[tropic summit]

@swift mango @placid bloom @glad meteor where's the DoT? what do you guys think

[leaden canyon]

Time to upload the sg round that was predicited to lose

[placid bloom]

seem it's all on decoy

[glad meteor]

Taunted by noise maybe

[placid bloom]

unlucky RNG

wait nvm they really are all on Noise

[tropic summit]

DoT can be taunted?

[placid bloom]

Biscuit and Rumani took 1 chain each

then the rest all on Noise

[tropic summit]

wows

[leaden canyon]

SG team against scar

[placid bloom]

Biscuit and Rumani 30k DoT

everything else on Noise

[glad meteor]

[warped zephyr]

Your squads are completely unable to handle PvP. I have all the Nikkei except Liberalio. What should I change?

[tropic summit]

guess you never stop learning something new in this game

[half grail]

What’s the counter to these 2 teams?

[tropic summit]

T1 is weak to sustain damage or indom
T2 is weak to scar-jack, as it's heavy feed team

[placid bloom]

he is 100 sync above you, there is no counter

[half grail]

Really appreciate it

[placid bloom]

you are literally dead to his regular gunshots

[half grail]

I’ve been winning attacking him though just now I’m struggle he changed team I believe

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

assuming you're not on deficit, example teams:

[placid bloom]

guess his CP poopoo

[half grail]

This his third team

Yeah his cp trash

[placid bloom]

damn his CP really is poopoo

[half grail]

I just don’t remember what counters what top of my head had to ask lol

[tropic summit]

100 level difference but blue dolls

[half grail]

Too much battling others in my bracket

[keen vapor]

Jackal and biscuit is not my usual favorite combo either, there's some people that do it of course

[leaden canyon]

what do you guys think

[keen vapor]

Still bricked reshuffle Rakuen?

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit Still good to go?

[half grail]

What can I use for the third team if I’m using this team for 2nd team?

[covert lintel]

I think you are just extremely lucky here
Scarlet s2 triggers more on 2 sg while your rosanna triggers less than sg

[tropic summit]

not fully convinced, but probably this

[leaden canyon]

Alrighty interesting

[leaden canyon]

Also what you think of this now @tropic summit

[sleek ginkgo]

@leaden canyon he still beats me with cp diff, but he troubles this time

[leaden canyon]

Time to make those changes we talked about to make that one team 2RL

[sleek ginkgo]

I think he uses scarlet siren against my high cp team,
Tried it in rookie arena and it indeed loses even with like 20% cp diff

[tropic summit]

what a real PoS, he's really just trying to gap you now, 20% deficit on T1 is kinda bad against a vestiTU pressure, you might not win at first try because you gotta gamble vesti reaches 2RL alive

as for T3 he might be in time

you need to speed up your team

he promoted it from 5RL to 4RL

[leaden canyon]

Does alice make it fast enough??

[covert lintel]

You might win 4
Only P2 bad match up

[tropic summit]

you can probably afford dropping RH for a faster burst gen unit

since he also dropped in CP now on T3

@leaden canyon for T3 you can probably solve with this

[spiral onyx]

This is for all the non-believers that cheered against me
https://youtu.be/FdKURXFSc5c?si=57yjIDN8QmNPWqPU

[tropic summit]

for T1 it's up to you surviving 2RL on 20% deficit

pray the gods

[wild hemlock]

I got 4x cs 4x atk 2x ammo x2 crit rate on Vesti. Is swapping the 2 crit rates into ele dmg worth the triple rock rolls

[tropic summit]

22% deficit, jesus

but ye should still be lethal

get 621 asap so you can avoid playing with your hands tied and your eyes blindfold

[leaden canyon]

Nope didnt work

Hold on

[wild hemlock]

I should probably specify my crit rate lines are on line 1

[sleek ginkgo]

Can I do a good team with Moran without helm treasure ? I need helm in another team

[pale knoll]

@tropic summit doing scar blanc mirror all thr time

[tropic summit]

you got RNG'ed

scarlet s2 procced all the time on cindy

true cancer lineup

just get CP bro... you're getting punished for free

[tropic summit]

outinvested

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

@leaden canyon this fixes RNG from scarlet s2 proccing biscuit on cindy and not on noah

[tribal nebula]

ok i lost (sorry i didn"t record) i's only the rookie, but I'd really like to understand why (he had time to burst down a second time before me and killed Noah and Biscuit just before). And to make matters worse, like an idiot I used all my attacks on other players just to stay at a minimum rank

[tropic summit]

which formation did you use?

because noah biscuit rh helmt jackal should be lethal on noise and noah

were you on deficit?

[tribal nebula]

Noah Biscuit RH HelmT and Jackal

[tropic summit]

if you're on deficit you cannot win with that

[tribal nebula]

10%

[tropic summit]

then it's very strange

would need to see a record

[tribal nebula]

yeah,I'll record that tomorrow for the last day of the season.

good night

[tropic summit]

well if we already know that one fails, you can try this next

but ye please record so we've more data to help you

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

yeah again deficit killing you in time

true cancer

plus vestiTU hp this time

[leaden canyon]

yeah it was really close

[tropic summit]

hmm

i guess we can sacc biscuit

but that might affect your burst gen enough for them to burst

or we just gamble cindy makes it to 4RL without any biscuit stack

[leaden canyon]

Shes SR 15 and a 14 tempo cube on her

[tropic summit]

yolo?

[sleek ginkgo]

Do I win this ?
I think he used this team to bypass cp diff

[tropic summit]

vestiTU and cindy can bypass up to 24%

in fact vesti probably even further if buffed

[sleek ginkgo]

So even with 70 lvl sync more you can still lose

[tropic summit]

yeah i'm beating my whale that has 80+ lvls

your teams need to be stalling oriented or tanky to abuse deficit

[tropic summit]

either way i'd run this for your matchup
(you're on the left)

oh lemme correct that actually, it's drakeT

[sleek ginkgo]

I can beat him but trying to defend cause he is using gems to attack

[covert lintel]

Try change it to centi

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

yeah make 2 stall teams and 1 cp pad

[covert lintel]

Rapun changes to b1 higher speed

[tropic summit]

@sleek ginkgo try this def, assumes bay is treasured

[covert lintel]

You can't hold against 20% above cp if your team is 4rl above

[tropic summit]

freaking beatiful

[sleek ginkgo]

Ouch I don’t have rapunzel who can I use instead ?

[tropic summit]

the rapunzel diffed there

timely revive to death of cindy

[tropic summit]

flex b1 that does not feed

[leaden canyon]

ikr I couldn't believe it

[sleek ginkgo]

Liter ?

[tropic summit]

she feeds

RL or SR unit B1

[covert lintel]

Hope it's stable like that

[tropic summit]

i doubt it's stable at all

it's a freaking scar, it screams of RNG

let alone the lad is on 22%+ deficit

[tropic summit]

you can put rumani instead of rapunzel now that i think about it

@sleek ginkgo go with this i guess, lemme know how it goes

since the teams above don't use biscuit yet, we've another step that can be taken

[sleek ginkgo]

Thx ill wait his attack now

[leaden canyon]

btw if we both kill a sg unit at the same time, I think both our rosannas go off at the same time, in which case I guess I win? because if his rosanna bursts before me its going to hit drake and rosanna right?

[forest zodiac]

may I ask for some elp plspls
box: https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNTk2MDgxNzQwNDgxMzY0NzYwOQ%3D%3D

[tropic summit]

assuming the timing is the same then ye, but one of the 2 teams is slower than the other

[terse abyss]

When the top 3 are all whales

[tropic summit]

your teams on the left, check CP

scarlet temperance, jackal quantum

rest of the units don't matter too much, but you can give noise vigor and noah temperance

[forest zodiac]

no lapt

xmaiden?

[tropic summit]

or liberalio yeah, clip SG burst gen tier that do not feed

T1 needs 790k CP
T3 needs 771k CP

[forest zodiac]

it worked smooth as butter
thanks, boss

[tropic summit]

no worries

[onyx scaffold]

Yeah my prediction went correctly.

Your next fight seems to be a proper cook
I look forward to it

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit He took out anis for poli

[onyx scaffold]

Smart

[leaden canyon]

well S.anis

[eager mountain]

[leaden canyon]

I dont think it changes anything

[tropic summit]

it only changes CP maybe? but i don't see the gain in this

poli hits for lower damage and even if he does get poli indommed... you're on indom of your own

i think he expects you to misindom now

[leaden canyon]

also might as well yolo this

[tropic summit]

ye worth a shot

non lethal and probably ded tho

[leaden canyon]

Siren even worth running?

[tropic summit]

put any flex on high CP

[leaden canyon]

alice it is

[tropic summit]

although

[leaden canyon]

yeah?

[tropic summit]

nah nvm they're not 2RL, you'll stun nero before moran casts

siren is prolly useless here

[leaden canyon]

if I put any other b3 in here I think it steal link from scar actually

let me check

[tropic summit]

tbh this one could be doable with double buff indom vesti

since drake kicks you 100% into 2RL

vestiTU blanc rh flex jackal

but keep T1 as is as long as it's stable

[leaden canyon]

yeah I have to run siren anyway

Any other b3 steals link

[tropic summit]

rip

lib blanc rh flex jackal would also an interesting test against that nero moran btw

[leaden canyon]

nah cp too low, I'm betting I die before burst on that

Also siren might steal jackal link from my lib tbh

[eager mountain]

Oh well… blanc lived

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

yeah CP tanks too harshly with this one sadly

[leaden canyon]

oh wait my scar has resilience on instead of temp

I forgot i took it off since she has not been getting used

[tropic summit]

@covert lintel unbelivable how consistent this is

[tropic summit]

eh i wonder if it would help, might actually cut it close at least

[leaden canyon]

we discovering new techs to win lmao

I need to fix my cindy lines but its going to be expensive

lots of line 2 that need to be rerolled for a different effect

[ornate spoke]

what was the meta teams for Rookie defense?

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit i dead in ca what to do

[tropic summit]

• play an actual good game
• watch animu
• date some cute lady

[hollow lagoon]

not sure, at the moment i can just kill things with sync

comps matter the most

[tropic summit]

the non struggles of being a whel

game so easy must be boring

[granite anchor]

oh mb didn't mean to ask that in pvp

[hollow lagoon]

i spend a week ressing my dead units

[tropic summit]

don't you love surface content

[hollow lagoon]

i hate it but its something

spend all day making sure my factories be spitting out batteries

[granite anchor]

i haven't even played it enough to die. it's kind of like torture but rocks are rocks

[placid bloom]

Tbh dead unit doesn’t even delay progress that much

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[placid bloom]

I had like 50 dead units

[hollow lagoon]

i died a lot trying to do boss before i understood how to build squads

[vapid lake]

Yea just send another team into the meat grinder

I mlbed nayuta, it was not smart
I will never financially recover from this

[quartz rover]

😔

I'm a failure

[hollow lagoon]

i died too

[quartz rover]

How do I vote for myself and lose

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-anime-girl-confused-confused-anime-girl-confused-gif-11043332226267312554

why did you do this, waifu?

[vapid lake]

1. very good wallpaper
2. ayako kawasumi
3. i love her troll personality
4. pvp meta
5. pve meta, will show up in every solo raid

[hollow lagoon]

6. verliy

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-moist-i-know-what-kind-of-mand-you-are-gif-4332896312672829230

yes, the seiyuu is a good plus

[vapid lake]

I cant say no to a character voiced by ayako sensei

[tropic summit]

man of culture, ultra chad

[quartz rover]

No idea who that is but I'm glad you like that

[tropic summit]

JP voice of Saber and many other good characters

[vapid lake]

Well her most famous character is blue saber from fate

[leaden canyon]

This now

[quartz rover]

There's a blue saber? I heard of saber but never watched it

Blonde chick that can cut a continent in half

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/saber-saber-fate-artoria-pendragon-artoria-fate-stay-night-gif-24415181

[vapid lake]

[hollow lagoon]

if ur gemming this, u might as well spend gems on coredust and get 621

[quartz rover]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-blade-works-saber-lancer-gif-19236727

[vapid lake]

[leaden canyon]

Wheres the fun in that

[hollow lagoon]

shrug

[tropic summit]

don't put yourself in the middle of that love & hate relationship he has with his foe

[hollow lagoon]

this korean gonna catch up to me

[tropic summit]

both are probably crazy at this point

[tropic summit]

in how many years

[hollow lagoon]

not infinity

[vapid lake]

[tropic summit]

before EoS? unlikely

[hollow lagoon]

if railtracer comes to my house and strangle me it can happen in 2026

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel wanna go on a trip?

i could need an hand for the body

[hollow lagoon]

if u want my address u gonna have to fish it out of my union discord

it also means u gonna have to join the union

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit

The consistency is actually crazy

[shell hazel]

can we steal his 💳 first so I can whel even more? what's your PIN number @hollow lagoon ?

[tropic summit]

unbelivable

it's hilarious that he still doesn't want to change his archetype

he's trying to understand what you using to win in deficit

[leaden canyon]

Because hes in here looking at whats working

At this point I believe that

[hollow lagoon]

4883125

[vapid lake]

how do u know he's here

[tropic summit]

i think it's more likely he's testing each team individually to find out the 2 you dealing with and the one you skipping

[leaden canyon]

He somehow knows not to switch off the moran team with double sg and now hes keeping rapi vesti in that team

[tropic summit]

unironically i think you can beat t1 and t2 with the near exact same team

[leaden canyon]

And usually when I post the battles he switches to a better counter

But hes being stubborn with these

[tropic summit]

we got spies

https://tenor.com/view/tf2engineer-imposter-it-could-be-you-meme-tf2spy-gif-23428001

[vapid lake]

Time to start deleting posts ||too late it was me||

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/ladies-and-gentleman-we-got-him-gif-12313683

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-among-us-animated-just-some-plastic-gif-17666538621633829096

[leaden canyon]

him keeping rapi vesti in T1 prevents me from doing noah biscuit vesti helm rumani on the other team

and he somehow knows this

and is keeping it like it is because of how close the battles are

Its when I stop posting how I'm beating him does he start switching to diff teams

[tropic summit]

but now he's facing a new hurdle, finding out wtf works on 20%+ deficit against him

[ornate spoke]

its that time of the year and i realized i need to update my SP and Rookie arena teams

anyone can help?

[leaden canyon]

lucky for you @tropic summit is here

[hollow lagoon]

something rosana

something vesti

something stall ish

oh u have emilia

[leaden canyon]

I gave up on rosanna teams, doing 3RL noise noah centi cindy siren

[ornate spoke]

i have been playing for way too long and its easier to say who i dont have

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• jackal siren scarlet trina laplaceT
• noise bayT vestiTU emilia rumani
• moran noah helmT RH centi

Cubes

jackal quantum
siren temperance
scarlet temperance
trina quantum
lapT quantum

noise vigor
bayT temperance
vestiTU adjutant/any
emilia resil/any
rumani any

moran temperance
noah temperance
helmt any
rh any
centi any

@fathom rock how did these do btw?

#pvp-arena message

[ornate spoke]

my bay is treasure, is it an issue?

[tropic summit]

yeah if she's treasured that's even better

no problem at all

[ornate spoke]

alright thanks!

for RA is just the vesti team for defense?

[tropic summit]

for rookie run

noah biscuit vestiTU laplaceT jackal
or
moran noah vestiTU biscuit helmT

[ornate spoke]

ill set laplace team first and see how it goes

moran is such a wild card, a bunch of times i had her survive a nuke with sanis 😂

almost nobody in my bracket has her on any team

[wooden jackal]

hi could anyone help with spa comp? thanks

[haughty mortar]

What beats this?

[tulip quest]

Best team in TEAM WALLET

[hollow lagoon]

looks like pad as hell

[leaden canyon]

You could jackal scarlet trina centi flex round 2

round 1 can be beat by a blanc indom team

or even blanc indom round 3

both work

Idk what your cp will be like though with that scarlet team

the flex can be a high cp unit, its 2Rl with that much jackal feed anyway

dont even need centi in that jackal team with that much feed

so like jackal scarlet trina flex felx round 2 and blanc indom either round 1 or 3

three probably better since lower cp

blanc indom p1 blanc with biscuit on the team

so can do blanc sbs biscuit centi b1

[arctic jewel]

How is the Noah/Moran/Biscuit/Helm/Vesti vs Scarlet/Trina/Rosanna/Helm/Jackal matchup like?
I'm pretty sure that Helm gets destroyed, but is Noah able to protect the team?

Before Scarlet Burst I mean

[leaden canyon]

If you have siren you can do her instead of rosanna and just stun noah

[arctic jewel]

Nonononono

I'm the one using the first team

The opponent is using Scarlet

[leaden canyon]

If you have the cs on vesti its a 2rl team, so as long as you are 2RL his rosanna will hit the units but noah will block the b3 burst

[arctic jewel]

Sorry, let me say this again

My opponent: Scarlet/Trina/Rosanna/Helm/Jackal
My team: Noah/Moran/Biscuit/Helm/Vesti

In other words, I'm the one facing against Scarlet xD

[leaden canyon]

The match up will still go like that anyway

[arctic jewel]

Oh nvm, I just saw your edit xD

[leaden canyon]

well even before the edit thats how that match up goes

If you think you can survive rosanna burst then you are fine

Although no need for moran really

It just makes scar s2 hit more

and more jackal feed

[arctic jewel]

I never tried with Vesti (I probably should have), but I did try changing Vesti to Laplace and used Quantum instead of Temp on Noah, I won

[leaden canyon]

How much cs does vesti have

[arctic jewel]

Let me check

Ugh... 3.45%

[leaden canyon]

She only needs 5% for burstgen increase

[arctic jewel]

Wait, my bad

I forgot I had black bar

[leaden canyon]

oh so like 9 or 10%

[arctic jewel]

3.45 + 6.09

[leaden canyon]

ok so you have the gen increase, there is another break point for her to shoot more at 11%

[arctic jewel]

... I only have 2 crystals...

[leaden canyon]

you dont need 11%, its just something to know

[arctic jewel]

OK, that's good to know

[leaden canyon]

So if you think his rosanna will one shot helm and vesti then I would try something else, although I think 1 rosanna attack might hit noah

Rosanna burst is weird

Do you have cinderella?

[arctic jewel]

Yeah... I gotta be honest, I never quite understood how she works, I only know that she dispels buffs

[arctic jewel]

Yes

... it's pretty annoying, I'm currently using this team because I've been uncontested for many months now

Seeing someone using Rosanna made me a little bit worried

[leaden canyon]

Is noise overloaded?

[arctic jewel]

My Noise? Yes

[arctic jewel]

And I've currently been investing on Mihara

[leaden canyon]

Could do rumani instead of centi if you are worried noise dies before burst for what ever reason but should be fine with that

[arctic jewel]

In case I need to properly counter Helm teams

That stall I mean

[leaden canyon]

Oh the mihara blanc rumani biscuit cindy teams?

[arctic jewel]

Yes precisely

Because there's another guy that uses the exact same team as me, but I have the upper hand

Except that he has switched places with Helm (p3) and Biscuit p(4)

[leaden canyon]

Food for thought, this was my CA fight and this happened, noise can taunt the mihara stacks

I'm the mihara team

[arctic jewel]

What happens is that either his Vesti dies before burst and all my Nikkes survive, if his Vesti survives, then it's a bit more even, but usually my Moran and Vesti lives

[arctic jewel]

🤔

Btw, thanks for the CS advise!

Made me a bit relieved

[shell hazel]

noise and noah 🙂

had noah eat them all on one of my teams once

[leaden canyon]

So its the double taunt

hmm, mihara p5 then?

to avoid that

though mihara p5 has its own problems i guess

[arctic jewel]

Worth trying?

[shell hazel]

I still dislike mihara p5 tbh

I don't fully just rely on the dot personally I also think cindy can clear pretty good if you get to b3

[leaden canyon]

slow cindy can work on his scar team yeah

[short plaza]

is mihara just an off burst DPS in PvP?

[leaden canyon]

her purpose is to die once she has put a stack on each enemy unit, and once she dies those stacks turn into the max 20

[arctic jewel]

She's basically used as a sacrifice

[short plaza]

??? what I didn't expect her to be used like that

[arctic jewel]

She needs a very high Atk stat as well (or at least I'm sure of it), otherwise Nikkes like Helm will use her Burst on someone else

@leaden canyon or am I wrong?

[leaden canyon]

I mean that whole team either defenders or biscuit, none of them should have more attack than mihara unless you have a stupid amount of attack lines

So mihara should be fine

[arctic jewel]

OK, so I think I interpreted it correctly

[short plaza]

is this a glitch? I don't remember reading something like that in her kit

[leaden canyon]

I have beat slow cindy when mihara is in p2, as long as you dont splash mihara to death, helm burst will hit mihara when blanc burst indoms her

[leaden canyon]

Its how her kit has worked since release

and yeah her kit doesn't read like if she dies when enemies have stacks on them it gives them max stacks

Same thing like jackals kit doesn't tell you how her feed works

[short plaza]

I'm not surprised I haven't a single thing about her since he's release

[arctic jewel]

Oh well, going to bed, thanks for the help again ❤️

[short plaza]

goodnight bub

[fast nest]

Hello,I used
"blanc rumani biscuit Cindy mihara".

Enemy redhood used burst and hit mihara and then biscuit. Any idea why redhood hit biscuit instead of cindy?

[haughty mortar]

@lost summit @leaden canyon So what exactly are the 2 teams I should use? Can I sap my T3 and T2?

[onyx scaffold]

lmao https://vxtwitter.com/AsahiPinko/status/1987174692697088415?s=20

旭通さん@NIKKE (@AsahiPinko)

モランさぬあぁぁぁぁぁぁっぁぁぁあ

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[crystal flicker]

Cindy has a decoy skill on the left and right of her
Sometimes these decoy makes enemy's team to skip her as the target

[leaden canyon]

jackal scarlet trina flex felx round 2 the flex units can be high cp units. blanc sbs biscuit centi hood/rumani round 3, if you can afford to run rumani without entering cp deficit then that will let you burst quicker.

[fast nest]

not always?

[crystal flicker]

P5 Cindy not skipped

P1 too iirc

[leaden canyon]

Yeah I was told when making my CA teams it doesn't cause target skip in p5

[haughty mortar]

You sure Blanc first slot?

[tropic summit]

check deficit, if not in deficit go get em, you're on the left

[leaden canyon]

yes, why?

Or just follow what rail said

[fast nest]

Ah I see. then cindy should not be in p4.

[tropic summit]

had his box in hands anyway, he can pad with anchorIM it seems

[fast nest]

damn

[tropic summit]

@haughty mortar post the matchup with those teams here so we can double check CP and if T1 needs padding

[leaden canyon]

yeah I didn't know what else he had and was just working with units I saw really lol

Still think my teams would have won though

[haughty mortar]

Deficit on T1 and 2

[leaden canyon]

By how much

[leaden canyon]

thats not deficit

[leaden canyon]

deficit doesn't start till 15.40%

round 1 is 14.16%

[haughty mortar]

So is it safe for me to shoot my shot?

[leaden canyon]

let me check the other two rounds

well round 3 is fine

let me lok round 2

[haughty mortar]

I just auto LOL

[leaden canyon]

Round 2 is 15.32

so you are close but not in deficit

[covert lintel]

so is def up more useful than DR?

[haughty mortar]

@tropic summit

[leaden canyon]

I mean you should be fine to send in the teams he gave you, you are not in deficit on those two so you should win

round 2 is a throw away team really, thats why he only gave you teams for round 1 and 3

[tropic summit]

SP arena

jackal siren scarlet trina drakeT
noise noah cindy biscuit rumani
nayuta lib helmt rapunzel centi (quantum lvl 7 on centi, if only lvl 3 available, on both rapunzel and centi)

Notes:

• can consider treasuring laplace
• consider on the medium term building moran and rosanna

[tropic summit]

oh lemme check CP

[leaden canyon]

I checked

14.16 round 1

3 is fine

[tropic summit]

yep run them then

[pure moss]

I'm attacking, who take this? I need to bet on the loser

Cheer is leaning to me losing

[leaden canyon]

People always vote for the higher leveled player

Although that is a scarlet player

[pure moss]

I definitely have more investment in pvp

[leaden canyon]

but other one CA winner too

[tropic summit]

this is insane... cindy dealt 1 dmg the real dmg was from the DoT and even that got reduced

[onyx scaffold]

what does DEF up do against vesti

[tropic summit]

and the worst part moran even while blanc debuffed still didn't get lethal'ed

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit Time to work your magic boss

[tropic summit]

there's eunhwa vesti emma team aint gonna gamble on that

[pure moss]

someone in my union used the exact same comps and won the 2nd champion

[tropic summit]

ye that team is actually strong but there's RNG factor

[pure moss]

please elaborate cuz my brain doodoo

[tropic summit]

nah i'll pass this one

[pure moss]

[tropic summit]

2AM so brain aint brainin'

[leaden canyon]

I say p1 you lose. p2 win. p3 win. p4 win. p5 win? p5 depends on if their vesti has enough power to kill you after noah burst and through moran and helm burst

[pure moss]

so I'm betting with the majority if I need that silver frame then

Thank you sir

[loud orbit]

Alright so, I left the game about 7 months ago and came back during the most recent bunny event with ade and milk. Here's my roster, I'm wondering what my strongest rookie attack and defense, as well as my SP Arena attack and defense teams should be.

Also who should i build for the teams if they aren't built

[leaden canyon]

Maybe, I could also be wrong. sg team can win but it depends how quick you gun down noise there, once that happens she gets a rez from mana and then rosanna burst happens which should kill noise again and then helm

@pure moss

[loud orbit]

oh also SR Anis is built for enough for arena since I used to use her

[leaden canyon]

If you care about building a unit for pvp, build vestiTU, the fire vesti

that will help a lot

[loud orbit]

the new upgraded vesti? I heard she's good, I'll build her out once I completely finish with liberalio then

[leaden canyon]

Shes like the best b3 pvp unit right now

[loud orbit]

gotcha, any thoughts on team comps assuming I build out who I need to?

[deep kayak]

counter for this team?

[leaden canyon]

If we are assuming then that helps stretch out what you can do

I'm putting together something

[loud orbit]

yea just gimme the best I can get with what i've got assuming I build them

thank you

[leaden canyon]

Ok I didn't realize this before but you also dont have helm treasure, thats very important for pvp and pve

[loud orbit]

yea when I came back I unfortunately blew my doll resources on not great stuff but I'm currently building helm treasure, doll is at like level 11 right now didn't get lucky

assume I'll get that soon though

I've got lots of skill resources built up, the other stuff will take a while but I'll do it

[tropic summit]

depends on what you can run

for starters post the 3 matchups so we can see CP from both sides

[covert lintel]

But that's not vesti

[haughty mortar]

And the verdict is? HULK SMASH!

[onyx scaffold]

but u should consider vesti no matter what

[deep kayak]

the last one is the opponent

i dont have tvesti

have most others

[tropic summit]

click on challanger 10 "start battle" then take screenshot of the 3 matchups

after that share your box, like this:

#pvp-arena message

and we can make teams based on what you can run and invest

[haughty mortar]

The AZX Rail conquers again!

[leaden canyon]

Can try this out

[loud orbit]

nice, would that be both attack and defend in SP?

[leaden canyon]

Just defense, I didn't want to add too many units you didn't have built though

[deep kayak]

this

[tropic summit]

oh oke CP looks good and opponent looks very beatable

4 at a time

[loud orbit]

gotcha, thank you very much. Would that be ok once it's built for generic attack teams as well?

[tropic summit]

oke let's see

[leaden canyon]

well attack always depends on what you are attacking, there is no generic teams for that really

[loud orbit]

yea i feel ya, as far as I used to run it I just copied my defense teams and then if I won I moved up, I want the best teams I can get, but I don't like to fret over every attack if that makes sense

[leaden canyon]

If you want an idea of some other defense teams there are these #pvp-arena message what I gave you is more new since its using the new units

The other teams are more battle tested

[loud orbit]

ah I see, thanks for the tag there I hadn't seen that message. Vesti and Helm in particular I was pretty much always gonna build, I'll test stuff out though, see the best I can do now and then the best I can do in a couple months when I've built some of the missing units

[tropic summit]

can probably run these, you're on the left

1 pre check before you run, enter shooting range with

sbs blanc alice liberalio jackal, pause right away and click on SBS, confirm she has buff "jumping jackal"

[loud orbit]

I appreciate the build recommendation, it looks promising

[leaden canyon]

The lib team is more risky to run tbh, her burst is more delayed than cindy burst

but if it doesn't get blocked it wipes the enemy team, its an insane nuke if it hits

[loud orbit]

Worth a try though, I've already built her out basically as soon as i got her including solid OL so worth a shot

gotcha gotcha

[deep kayak]

thanks. will try it. so should i change the whole setup to this or only for the opponent . I messed up changing everytime

[tropic summit]

attack is always tailored to what you facing

especially so at challenger ranks

there's a few "general purpose" teams but i don't recommend it

these are also opportunities for you to learn though

[deep kayak]

I guess I can take it easy. cause im around rank 20 all the time . all the challengers are whale

their base lvl is also around 500

anyway Thanks for the suggestion

[tropic summit]

you welcome, happy huntin'

make sure to confirm the info i gave you concerning the jumping jackal buff before running

although based on invest i strongly believe your SBS meets requirement

if alice is the second linked unit, she will have naturally higher HP than SBS

[deep kayak]

whats that?

[loud orbit]

Oh I hate to bother again but any ideas for a good rookie arena defense or attack

[tropic summit]

jackal linking and indom

[deep kayak]

this is her stat btw

[tropic summit]

SBS blanc alice liberalio jackal

this team assumes you've SBS and alice linked (2 units with highest atk%, OL included)
if that requirement is met, SBS or alice are candidate for indoming based on that positioning i gave you

At that point, if SBS has lower max HP than Alice, she will be indommed

since alice has self sustain when dropping below 80%HP, she will naturally have higher HP than SBS

SBS is then 100% guaranteed to indom

which is what you want

to give you an idea, this is what you're to expect

[leaden canyon]

jackal blanc biscuit vestiTU helmT

[loud orbit]

nice thank you

[deep kayak]

sbs and alice should have highest atk as per my nikke. flb alice and decent sbs

[deep kayak]

thats awesome

[tropic summit]

oke then all requirements are good for that team

run those teams against those opponent teams and you should win

[loud orbit]

is soda trina the bunny soda?:

[quick lake]

The maid Soda

[loud orbit]

or sorry who is trina?

[leaden canyon]

Shes basically scarlets treasure

[loud orbit]

ah I do not have her gotcha, was just reading those comps

ah I see, she's on the wishlist so hopefully i get her

[deep kayak]

sry for bothering u again. but should i place whatever nikke i can on the first team? since some of nikke gonna be swapped?

[tropic summit]

for this match the empty team you can run anything left on high CP

just auto it

[leaden canyon]

also if you see soda trina mentioned on the same team its not bunny soda but regular soda

soda burst stuns two units, she can stun both noah and noise

[deep kayak]

she have this buff as soon as I enter

do i need to invest in skill for pvp? jackal and other non meta pve unit have only skill 4/4/4

[slate falcon]

Unless your min maxing lv4 skill should suffice.

I would only recommend min max for CA it’s not worth it for SP imo

[tropic summit]

yup it's the one you needed

[tropic summit]

jackal SR5 4/4/4 is generally enough

SR5 as in the purple doll

R15 can also do if you're short on mats

make sure she has 4OL lvl 0 at least too

[deep kayak]

sbs team did exactly what u said

[deep kayak]

im using only r5

[tropic summit]

well when you get the time/resources bring her to R15 at least

you'll always have use of jackal in pvp

[tropic summit]

also good job

[deep kayak]

i can. i have 1500+ blue mats

maybe i should also up noah and biscuit doll to 15 too?

[tropic summit]

to be fair all pvp core units should be at least brought to SR5, so ye utilities like noah and biscuit which happens to be core also could use that

R15-SR5 is a good stopping mark

[deep kayak]

ok. i have 7 selection box. will use them now

[spiral onyx]

Did some math. In 2RL:

• Scarlet + Trina + RH = 9.3 mil
• Cindy + Trina + Noise + 8.0 mil
• Liberalio + Blanc = 9.4m
• Liberalio alone = 6.7mil

[bronze nymph]

Does anyone have a bit of free time? Please help me build a Rookie + SP Arena team.

[umbral crown]

Waos

Gonna save this for next CA

[umbral crown]

Then C7 libe is the way

[opaque hemlock]

just pulled scarlet, rapunzel and liberalio over the past few days (also have trina). would they replace some of my current lineup? thanks

[swift mango]

it's normal, nuke got blocked because their team 3rl, midhara dot doesn't hit cindy. It's a common lose. That's why you wanted Cindy p1-2 to speed up enemy team.

[tropic summit]

looks like midhara DoT was actually taunted by noise

(based on what some of us said at least)

[tropic summit]

yes scarlet and liberalio especially, if they're invested they can be put to use

[gritty ridge]

Chat can I stop here

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• sbs blanc rh noir jackal
• nayuta lib emilia rapunzel drakeT
• noah biscuit helmT RRH centi

Rookie

• lib helmt draket noah rh

Notes

• push dolls R15 on all of your utilities that are missing them (noah, biscuit, noise, centi, blanc... etc)
• wishlist rumani, trina, vestiTU
• build up your pvp core units (jackal, scarlet, biscuit, blanc... etc)
• consider laplace treasure

[bronze nymph]

i have unbuild Trina iirc.

I can build her

[swift mango]

Even if it is, Midhara still get hits in before noise even hit her. So only the blades afterward taunted, Noise doesn't taunt as battle start.

[tropic summit]

yep first two ticks hit as usual, but then remaining ones all taunted by noise

[fathom rock]

No lapT still somehow works

[swift mango]

Noise isn't that fast.
You are suggesting 10 blades take 5rl to all landed.

[bronze nymph]

Yes. i have her level 1 ungear. Should i build her and change some1 out?

[tropic summit]

then i guess we didn't see it right

[tropic summit]

it could be used with scarlet but you'd also need to build scarlet

10/x/10 SR5-SR15, atk OL 20-40%

as for trina, 4/7/7 R15

both obviously should be with 4 OL pieces, lvl 0

[bronze nymph]

My scarlet was build. 10/7/10 with full OL

[swift mango]

it could what you said, if midhara dot is delayed at the start. It's all just peculiar

[bronze nymph]

Oh i just realized that's she not have doll

[tropic summit]

if your T1 with this change has better CP you can use trina and scarlet instead

you can then move RH instead of RRH in T3

can put siren to use in p2 in T1 and bench blanc for trina

once you've laplace treasured, you can bench noir for her

[bronze nymph]

tysm

[bronze nymph]

No need quantum cube here?

[tropic summit]

you can quantum jackal trina and noir

[swift mango]

I think first 5 blade landed normally, Noise, Biscuit, Cindy decoy and Rumani.
The 2nd set landed all on Noise.

[tropic summit]

ye that's why we think noise can taunt midhara ticks

[bronze nymph]

My quantum level 6 already, is that matter?

[tropic summit]

honestly i didn't know noise could taunt those, was a curious finding

[tropic summit]

get it to lvl 7 then you can stop, it hits the best threshold there

any lvl is fine tho, put it on them regardless

[swift mango]

she probably can, but she need to hit first

You would still lose even if DoT hit them all anyway. Because your nuke is blocked.

[bronze nymph]

[swift mango]

You can't see the dot on rumani because Biscuit invulnerable

[tulip quest]

Yea S1 not much value

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit that nayu comp is actually insane

[swift mango]

You could make her p4 or even 3.

[umbral crown]

Art thou sure bout that?

[sterile kiln]

Y'all i took a bunch of breaks now now I'm cooked in pvp. What's a good team to help me climb?

[marble saddle]

@swift mango would the RRH blanc team you advised last time work for this team 1 as well?

[tropic summit]

ye i know, i saw it from another dude in this chat as he was dealing with it, it took more tools than i wanted to actually beat it

it's annoying because it can be strong enough to deny 2RL indom because of nayuta

her buffed nuke is no joke

[sterile kiln]

Anyone know of a team i can make

[umbral crown]

Context

[swift mango]

what Nayu comb?

[swift mango]

need to make it into 2rl speed then it would work.

[swift mango]

I guess Midhara did have some delay and Noise could taunt more than 5. Not sure but mot bother rewatch. Could just put Midhara out of taunt range and done.

[austere marsh]

Leveled my endurance cube instead of my lv. 6 tempered cube maybe next month

[gritty ridge]

Chat, do this be workin

[swift mango]

#pvp-arena message

Probable this 2.5rl Nayuta buffed by RH and Crown.

[rich ledge]

What's the nayuta comp?

[umbral crown]

Waos

Imagine is helm burstin instead rh

[marble saddle]

ngl im not having much luck turning it into 2 RL. it goes to 3 or 4 but not 2.

[swift mango]

Jackal+Rapipi+Blanc+Centi+Emi/Anis/Rumani

[marble saddle]

ummm. thats not showing 2RL

[swift mango]

put quantum on Jackal and you will be fine.

Jackal feeds on Blanc and other units

[spiral onyx]

No need, you can just create a copy of my damage comparison spreadsheet and enter in the numbers yourself
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=1179657232#gid=1179657232

[marble saddle]

ok

[spiral onyx]

Someone should probably create a proper tool for this though

and by someone I mean not me, I haz no free time lol

[marble saddle]

@swift mango would the previous team you recc for team 2 work for this team as well?
#pvp-arena message

this team you recc yesterday

he added in noise and removed xmaid

[swift mango]

could use it on Scarlet team

move RH to p5

[marble saddle]

@swift mango i tried it and well

[umbral crown]

I will try

[fathom rock]

Nayuta helmt rh emi rumani team rail gave me then again it a concept not an exact comp

[spiral onyx]

But yeah, pretty much I double checked that in CA, a maxed out Liberalio will not need any buffers. Her AoE damage unbuffed is 6.8m (excluding OL lines). Against Tempering and SR15 doll, this becomes 4.96m. A defender has 3.4m HP and an attacker has 2.8m HP. Add in Noise buff and that's 5.1m and 4.2m. So Liberalio should have no problem 1 shotting anything

If you don't have her C7, just make sure you have a couple +ATK% OL lines on her and you should be fine

If your Liberalio fails to 1 shot in CA, all I can say is...

[open jewel]

So I think I've made this guy quite unhappy and he's been spamming me non stop so I'd like to ask for a counter? I don't have Trina

[severe nimbus]

I kinda feel bad for one guy in rookie. some days no matter how many times i refresh the arena just gives me the same 3 people and the person in question has the highest score so I end up bullying them

[swift mango]

Well, RH buffed Nayuta, very expensive for a 2rl. I'm having no luck getting it into my next session CA.

[royal hemlock]

what good pvp team for noobs

im new

[swift mango]

My wish for Nikkeclaus this Christmas are Epine and Folkwang treasure. Don't forget your first year first cinema nikke SU.

3rd AtK gets.

Maybe I would need to full reroll the Ele line.

[tulip quest]

Then BOOM SHIFTUP COOKS UP Limited Christmas Pilgrim 1%

and you need multiple copies of it

Bro Limited Doro made me cry a little my gems

had to pull cause she's like Limited

[spiral onyx]

My wish is one more clip RL to replace my MLB XMaiden

Alternatively, give me lvl 20 cubes so I can unlock even more Tempering slots

[quick lake]

Doubt their treasure anytime soon

[swift mango]

I didn't really made a wish for game play. In that case I would wish Nayuta became Clip SG burst gen.

[swift mango]

I used 800 tickets for Elegg.
Doro? Can I eat it?

[odd tusk]

Please help me counter this team, their rapi always survived til the end and dealed the most damage , btw I don’t have helm

[swift mango]

Too close for comfort.
Maybe I would need buffed ada..

[serene sleet]

hello guys wich team should i use? thx

[swift mango]

@eager mountain here. Libby nuke blocked by Bay.

This one is a little weird

[marble saddle]

@swift mango would the 2nd def team need me to atk with jackal on pos 1?

since i cant use noah cause of siren stun