pvp-arena

[quartz rover]

Surprisingly they were winging it

They don't even have batteries built

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

What a chad running SpA without Emi included.

[tropic summit]

emi is not core

[quartz rover]

Hopefully when reshuffle happens we get in the same ladder and team up for challenger

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

the game enjoys misery of the others, you'll be split up and face gemmers and whels

[quartz rover]

The game is aware we attacked eachother like 12 times yesterday

Maybe it will put us together to encourage spending

[rich ledge]

Expect the worse for reshuffle

[quartz rover]

But we beat the system

[tropic summit]

4D chess

[quartz rover]

First ladder before the reshuffle I couldn't even be in challenge, the ladder this whole reshuffle I was rank 3

I got pretty lucky I think

[rich ledge]

I'm gonna be forever 4 unless the first 3 quits. If c6 get serious I can't even get C4. C6 guy is the highest sync level of all, higher than top

[hollow lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/817763395427106848/1364004144649867375/image0.gif

[quartz rover]

Why are they in c6

Do they just not care

[hollow lagoon]

Prob wanna skip CA

[tropic summit]

or to bully the others

[rich ledge]

Y it looks like 8000 gems

[tropic summit]

cuz it clearly is

[quartz rover]

They want to be Gandalf the white for new players

[hollow lagoon]

It does look like 8000gems

[rich ledge]

Cos I bullied him before I think he gave up

[tropic summit]

busted

[shell hazel]

your whale who quit still at the top?

[hollow lagoon]

[quartz rover]

I have 9k gems and like

5 rainbow tickets

[tropic summit]

best wing man i've ever had

[shell hazel]

@hollow lagoon - Rail has more gems than you do, the other person in the other villa has more bedrooms. Get whaling 🐋

[quartz rover]

Thats plenty for xmas

[hollow lagoon]

I’ll buy when new packs come out

[tropic summit]

he makes it look like i'm 4th but i'm actually 3rd thanks to him AFKing, he will be missed...

[quartz rover]

Idk how you can get to 200k gems via cash without dumping mortgage type amounts

[hollow lagoon]

Man thous cp are insane

[tropic summit]

f2p savings going stonks

[hollow lagoon]

I can’t kill rail’s bracket

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-meme-gif-16107418

[hollow lagoon]

I might not even kill rail

[tropic summit]

BS, we shall

[quartz rover]

I remember having that many gems

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t?

[quartz rover]

Sdoro ruined me

[hollow lagoon]

I usually float between 0 to 40k

That summer event destroyed me

[quartz rover]

I think I did 180 pulls no sdoro

[hollow lagoon]

200pulls not a single SSakura

[rich ledge]

I bullied him when he was 461+ sync and I'm 401+ sync he didn't build his pvp characters

[crystal flicker]

576 pulls not a single rate up

[hollow lagoon]

And SRosana averaged 50 each

[rich ledge]

Now he is 481+ sync I can be 430+ when anni drops

If he gets serious I can't stop him

[hollow lagoon]

Problem is u don’t know if he saved crates

[rich ledge]

Judging by his growth rate probably not

[hollow lagoon]

What’s his hard chapter clear

[rich ledge]

Since he was behind top 1 whale but his sync overtook

[quartz rover]

The #1 in our ladder is 330 sync while the strongest of our ladder is 260.. mostly 240-250

[rich ledge]

34-37 now

[hollow lagoon]

Oh u could be screwed

[quartz rover]

Dude is higher hard chapter than I am normal chapters

How did he mirror container on hard wtf

I can't even do it on normal

[hollow lagoon]

New chapters drop means he get 102 core dust per hour, he will zoom soon enough

[rich ledge]

Top 1 is 477, followed by 472 and 462. I'm totally free to play so I'm like 430+ if I open my boxes

My bracket is just bad so then there's 483, 477, 472, 462 then me f2p

[hollow lagoon]

We got hippo beating his bracket’s whale as well

[rich ledge]

Hippo not f2p

[hollow lagoon]

I know

[quartz rover]

This is what flem and I are dealing with

[hollow lagoon]

There’s this Korean in my sp bracket leveling up to slay the dragon too

[quartz rover]

He's 80 sync higher than #2

[hollow lagoon]

Nice the number 1 guy’s name is beeg PP

[flat fern]

"man the teams on this guy can't be that bad"
my strongest burst 3 gets tapped well before burst

gah bless power difference

[quartz rover]

Yeah if you're not in the power x .846 range they will do substantially higher damage

Like a single naga can solo your whole team

We need 360k power just to maybe beat their second team

My highest campaign team is like 320k

[flat fern]

360k is what I can eak out if I auto-build with no other teams

[rich ledge]

Therefore my plan maybe to keep core dust and lose for awhile until I hit the 102?

[flat fern]

and it's just the team I use to push campaign with

[rich ledge]

Another cope is that they allow top 10 to be in CA when the beta ends

[hollow lagoon]

Unless u have god tier insane rolled electric units and crazy precise malding skills and clear mirrior container in world record, thing is we don’t know how it gonna go, we don’t know if story mode also give outpost progress

[rich ledge]

Yea so the 102 will come to me in 1 more patch after this anni I think

Without me having to pass MC

[hollow lagoon]

If story mode also give progress then it’s ur whale that’s screwed

[rich ledge]

I think they mentioned story mode doesn't give rewards

[hollow lagoon]

Oh uhh then

It’s up to you

[rich ledge]

Wait for chapter 44 normal

Then we have 102 before MC

[hollow lagoon]

For f2p trying to progress mirrior container from your position would require all ur crates

Until next chapter update

[flat fern]

how much power and do you have alice/sbs/cindy

[rich ledge]

I'm opening for this anni until I hit 441 then start saving until it hits 102 I think

[hollow lagoon]

World recoard mirrior container clear is the 441 range?

Or was it before

[rich ledge]

I'm not sure haha but I know most people are 461?

[flat fern]

on normal or hard?

[shell hazel]

they should definitely do this

[hollow lagoon]

I’m plebeian 481 clear

@shell hazel will clear mirrior container on 381 and laugh at my failures

[gaunt pulsar]

hard mc is 441-461, if you asked about it

[crystal flicker]

It's about CP

I'm close to 400 yet my CP still 600K

Coz all those rocks goes to 18% CS

[hollow lagoon]

Let me checks

[rich ledge]

Need to reroll your campaign units more

[crystal flicker]

I just started my PvE journey in PvP acc

[rich ledge]

Campaign is like the foundation of PVP

[flat fern]

if only I can alice spam in pvp

[crystal flicker]

No

[rich ledge]

No campaign progress no sync = lose

[crystal flicker]

I beat 16H with 49.89% deficits

[shell hazel]

412 sync 800-840K CP campaign depending what I run

[rich ledge]

My CP is so low for my level

[shell hazel]

usually crown siren rapi helmt with a flex like red hood, vesti, mast

[quartz rover]

Have you been using Alice for campaign?

[rich ledge]

My auto is 798k at 416 sync

[flat fern]

until I got red hood and sbs, yeah

[quartz rover]

Oh I suppose you did use her for mirror container, I saw no Cinderella when you posted box

[rich ledge]

Real bad when I look at other people's CP

[hollow lagoon]

no cinderella for hard mirrior container could be... spicy?

[flat fern]

I did use cindy for container

[quartz rover]

Sorry I must be blind

[flat fern]

cindy alice sbs liter and crown

[quartz rover]

I need some element rolls before I can beat mirror container

[hollow lagoon]

how is dis bad, ur barely lower than like my strongest units combined

[rich ledge]

You are 402 sync

[quartz rover]

I get to 180 hp of 620 without any element damage so that's cool

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-6829192445099620272

[quartz rover]

Maybe even 20% will kill it

[hollow lagoon]

20% on wot

[flat fern]

what I don't get is why show the extra 20s at the end if it's an unavoidable unkillable qte

at least at our deficit lol

[quartz rover]

Are you talking about the spinning mirror container with shield?

[flat fern]

yeah

[quartz rover]

Its just got super defense

[swift mango]

you would still spam into a biscuit orBlanc indom

[flat fern]

meant manual alice in this lol]

[rich ledge]

The last spinning QTE phase in the last 20 secs

[flat fern]

but yeah, I could, I've been pairing biscuit with cindy and noah

[hollow lagoon]

u use alice in mirrior container?

[rich ledge]

It's spinning so difficult to shoot and the QTE so tanky

[quartz rover]

@lean sphinx

Oh crud its gone

Sorry about the ping

[swift mango]

If you whale enough yes.

[hollow lagoon]

i guess i'm too poor i just use a Ein

[quartz rover]

Flem check the pinned

This message

#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Be like those max core max level whale auto Mirror with level 600+ units.

[flat fern]

ooo

[hollow lagoon]

i cant i passed it already

[quartz rover]

It has comps for Noah and Cindy, you can actually make them and it will be very hard to break

[swift mango]

Buy level faster

[hollow lagoon]

i try but its expensive

i need skill mats more

[rich ledge]

U passed it alr? Didn't u show u are 402?

[quartz rover]

To break those teams you have to know what youre doing, or trial and error a lot

[hollow lagoon]

that was a screeni from a while ago

[quartz rover]

Like the way I was beating your Noah team was making you burst faster so Noah immunity falls off and then nuking you

[hollow lagoon]

slow cindy comp?

[quartz rover]

Yeah

[hollow lagoon]

the fancy stuff

who first discovered it anyway

rail?

[quartz rover]

I still dont understand how Cindy in position 1 and 2 makes the enemy team burst faster

[hollow lagoon]

cindy make duplicate

aoe hit both cindy and duplicate shield

= double burst gen

[quartz rover]

[hollow lagoon]

read cindy skill 2

[quartz rover]

Is rosanna the same

[swift mango]

You lost your chance to immortalized yourself in this game smhmh.

[hollow lagoon]

no

[quartz rover]

I suppose not since her camouflage breaks when hit

But you can use that to make people skip to later positions right

[hollow lagoon]

i'm the lowest clear of my union still lel

[flat fern]

who else can I replace for scarlet in the scarlet teams

[hollow lagoon]

ye

[flat fern]

I have eve but she's an AR

[hollow lagoon]

wind rei/qeq

[swift mango]

only 32 peeps know about it

[flat fern]

no rei :(

[rich ledge]

Must be a long time ago? Since now you are more than 80 levels higher I suppose

[quartz rover]

Electric ar buff from Trina only affects like 3 nikke

[hollow lagoon]

only 6 because my union only have 6 people tat cleared it

[quartz rover]

1 is moran

[crystal flicker]

Y'all should've grind 16H like me frfr

[flat fern]

I'm at 14H lol

[quartz rover]

What do you have flem? I bet someone could help you make a team with what you have

Having Noah really helps thankfully

[crystal flicker]

You ain't gonna be immortalized unless you have sync advantage

[flat fern]

never gonna be immortalized on anything

[hollow lagoon]

not that long ago? it died in early september of this year

[quartz rover]

Railtracer actually gives me hints for building teams so I actually learn myself

[hollow lagoon]

rename ur name to something very derpy and be immortalized that way

use chinese or something so u can do something like Nyuta's panties

[quartz rover]

Everytime you attacked me before I was like "he spit on me"

[flat fern]

LMAO dude I had no idea despite using this server everyday for sign-in

[rich ledge]

i mean from the time of that screenshot to when you cleared it

[quartz rover]

I probably could've @ you but I figured you weren't here since I've never saw you in pvp arena channel

[flat fern]

despite what you think, I do have a life

[hollow lagoon]

i'm 30 levels higher not 80

[flat fern]

I just have a shitton of gems atm

[quartz rover]

No I'm not mad

[rich ledge]

nobody can see the lowest or highest clear once you pass the stage anyway

[hollow lagoon]

oh u mean from that screenie to like mirrior container

idk was a while ago

[rich ledge]

wow ur MC is a sub 441 clear?

[hollow lagoon]

no

481

[quartz rover]

It was irritating at first but being able to communicate is better

[rich ledge]

so yea that screenshot is 80 levels lower

[hollow lagoon]

cuz u know 3 atk 3 ele cindy is apparantally not good enough

for 461

and 8/8/8 core max ein with 3 atk 1 ele

and 9/9/9 3 ele sanis

[rich ledge]

im working on it

[quartz rover]

If we stay in eachother's ladder we can team up on these fools

[flat fern]

we probably can, I wonder if aldaria is around on here or not

[hollow lagoon]

lel better than mine, my sub 1 year old account needs rolls more than anything

[quartz rover]

I'm curious if the system will push us in the same ladder cause we used a bunch of gems to hit eachother

[rich ledge]

sort by ele

[quartz rover]

I don't think aldaria is, their guild name seems cn so maybe theyre in a different server

[hollow lagoon]

next reshuffle please take that korean away from me i feel threatened

[flat fern]

damn top 2 being cn kinda explains it a bit more lol

[quartz rover]

By the way we could totally bully aldaria

[gaunt pulsar]

you cannot be matched with players outside your server though? should be NA only for you

[quartz rover]

I mean different discord server

[gaunt pulsar]

oh

[rich ledge]

no nayuta/liberalio skills today... sad

[hollow lagoon]

i was hoping for that ye

[quartz rover]

Are smgs ever good in pvp?

[rich ledge]

i have been checking every few hours

[gaunt pulsar]

well we know that Nayuta has charge speed on burst and infinite ammo

[quartz rover]

It really only seems like RL and SG are the goats

[hollow lagoon]

only smg that gets used now days is like siren

[rich ledge]

if their skills are good enough to compensate

even mg can get used why not smg?

[quartz rover]

What mg gets used?

[hollow lagoon]

rosana

[rich ledge]

rosanna soda

[quartz rover]

She's mg??? I thought she was ar

[hollow lagoon]

soda mihara os

[raven plover]

emma

[rich ledge]

my SG team lost to emma b1

[swift mango]

nero.

[gaunt pulsar]

double handed smg's = double feed, so nikke like Quency kinda even worse

[quartz rover]

Shows how little I know about pvp

[hollow lagoon]

not dis season

[quartz rover]

I've been told you dont wanna run rapi unless youre trying to pad because she's a super feeder to jackal

[swift mango]

nero still getting champ last season. more than siren did.

[flat fern]

I wanna build up my batteries but I gotta build up stuff for union raid soon

[hollow lagoon]

if i some how win(very unlikely) xmica gonna be meta

[flat fern]

no full burst weekend for a bit really did hurt

[quartz rover]

Imma be honest I slack in union raid

[rich ledge]

keripo uses that means its good enough already

[quartz rover]

We reach hard day 2 usually

[gaunt pulsar]

how many matches you won with that sg team so far?

[hollow lagoon]

2 i think?

[gaunt pulsar]

[hollow lagoon]

in the advanse

and the idk

[swift mango]

Keripo won with Xmica, no one called her meta.
I won 3 times with reiT, 2 times with miranda,no one called them meta.

[flat fern]

also laplace treasure, I heard I want to be maxing out on ele damage on her ?

[quartz rover]

Didn't you win with a mass produced sg too

[swift mango]

not sure,probably not.

[quartz rover]

It was one of the blue nikke

[swift mango]

delta though

[rich ledge]

its going to be tough to wait 21 days before exchanging the pilgrims or i get them first and take the dupe as a bonus

[swift mango]

yes,the only usable blue in the game. I got to final with her though

[quartz rover]

Now you can use the ssr version as homeage

[hollow lagoon]

@gaunt pulsar

[swift mango]

nah I'm too bricked for that

[quartz rover]

Same

[gaunt pulsar]

[rich ledge]

what does mica do for SG team?

[swift mango]

I will probably skip at least 1 of the pilgrims

[quartz rover]

Thankfully they're not seasonal

[hollow lagoon]

so 1 pad team kill, 1 copium sg kill 1 stall ish thing kill ?

[quartz rover]

So maybe you can get them from standard

[rich ledge]

skip and never get them ever from standard haha

[swift mango]

they are worse than seasonal because zero rerun

[hollow lagoon]

nothing, just damage boost, literal there because idk if i should use her or pepper

[swift mango]

yes, I won't

[flat fern]

hey hey hey, it took like 2 years for red hood

[hollow lagoon]

took me 5month fo dorothy

[rich ledge]

rerun when they are out of meta

[flat fern]

surely

[swift mango]

More than a year and a half and I still lack 3 standards pilgrim.

[hollow lagoon]

who do u lack?

[flat fern]

by the time rapihood gets hers, we might even have neon overspec

[swift mango]

rapu, doro, marian

[rich ledge]

yea the standard pilgrims like scarlet and noah will mess up your pvp

[hollow lagoon]

rapi rerun could be literal new years event

[hollow lagoon]

marian reruning

[charred wedge]

What weapon could possibly be given to overspec anis

[swift mango]

nah I'm too brick for anything,

[hollow lagoon]

looks like ein's things so prob sniper/rl

[flat fern]

having another tetra machine gun b3 would be nice

buuuut probably not

[hollow lagoon]

oh yeah tetra needs fire rate in tower

[rich ledge]

many characters have those flying things

[swift mango]

xlud

rossana

[flat fern]

I don't wanna keep risking carpal tunnel on tetra tower anymore :(

[hollow lagoon]

ein=sr cinderella=rl

still sr rl

[rich ledge]

noah too

[hollow lagoon]

rl

[charred wedge]

I dont comprende biscuit and cinderella still

[rich ledge]

OS anis to replace SR anis in pvp would be great

[flat fern]

I'm hoping if they don't release a mg attacker on tetra, they at least rerun winter ludmilla for winter event

[hollow lagoon]

enemy burst, biscuit keep blanc and rumani alive, cinderella lives because she naturlly tanky, enemy buff ends you burst rumani blanc cinderella

[crystal flicker]

I need more rocks to clear infinity and prepare for Anniv Pilgrims

[swift mango]

what overspec anis?

[charred wedge]

Omg perfectly summarized. Ty

[rich ledge]

you can use rosanna to do the hitcounts

[flat fern]

idc about that, I just wanna be able to auto tower again 😭

[rich ledge]

new year OS again

[gaunt pulsar]

who do you need mg there for?

[charred wedge]

My rumani and blanc are ol 1 tho should I send them to ol 5

Cindy is 05 ol.

Should that be my general rule? Keep building ol5 on the hard b3 hitters

[flat fern]

tetra tower, kinda just sick of manual alice at this point

[swift mango]

Either 3 pilgrim banner on anni or she would be new year nikke like rapi

[hollow lagoon]

over spec EH kekw

[rich ledge]

mg doesnt solve the manual alice problem how does it help?

[swift mango]

what eh?

[gaunt pulsar]

enriched hippos

[hollow lagoon]

idk man, i my thinks 5/5/5/3 on meta units 3/3/3/3 on non meta dps 0/0/0/0 the rest

[flat fern]

top 4 attackers for tetra I'm forgettin for pve, is like alice > milk > winter ludmilla and bunny soda

[gaunt pulsar]

girl from chapter 23 or so, in all black with red undertone hair

[flat fern]

I have soda, I do not have milk

and eventually I do need to clear hit counts and I don't wanna waste resources on rosanna eventually

[hollow lagoon]

then drink solda, buy milk later

[swift mango]

one comment too late but yeah, no chance

[rich ledge]

do it for rosanna she is good in pvp too

[swift mango]

girl is mass produced nikke, in a crow arc, she got no future.

[flat fern]

ig the dispels can be useful for some niche bosses out there too

[hollow lagoon]

no body expected the jellyfish being anni unit untill leaks anyway

even with the leaks i wasnt convinced untill the stream

[flat fern]

but there are better options if I need dispells

[swift mango]

She is pilgrim so it's only a matter of when.
not never

[rich ledge]

yea liberalio just joined so abruptly like well ill just come join you guys for awhile

[hollow lagoon]

too bad all sea creatures are wind code

[flat fern]

at least the story is gonna be framed to make more sense for it

nihilister on liberation feels kinda weird in comparison

[rich ledge]

at least nihilister hates the OG queen and we want to kill the OG queen too so it makes sense i think

[hollow lagoon]

was honestly expecting like.. nihilister alt for anni, either that or converted indivilia

[flat fern]

true but the timeframe the liberation takes place in boggles my mind

[gaunt pulsar]

if they follow a pattern: anni - totally new units
winter - overspec/alt

[rich ledge]

liberalio loves the OG queen and we are gonna fight her mother yet she is joining us to team up against the new 4 beast queen?

[hollow lagoon]

jelly fish is in main story chapter, queen fight is event, different location

we-the commander, has nothign to do with the 001 queen fight

its all inherit+pioneer

we apparantally deal with the the 4 beast queen in some capacity?

no clue if either of these 2 queen thingys gets killed

but yeah, SU's vision is- Anni events = commaner not involved

[charred wedge]

Moderators, plz forgive me I didn't mean to add a ers after nikke

[rich ledge]

yea in the chapter 42 we will be fighting new born 4 beast queen but i guess OG queen is not killed since liberalio is joining us to recover perhaps to help the OG queen in the future

[hollow lagoon]

even if killed there's not much she can do shrug

girl too busy sleeping

[charred wedge]

Zanta did u ever managed to beat the random whale that appeared in your pool?

[hollow lagoon]

uhh

no

despite my flaws, i'm still self loving individual

[charred wedge]

I have a nightmares about what the upcoming reshuffle will do. Hope its not bad

[onyx scaffold]

im cooked

[hollow lagoon]

ur jinxing me to get a whale

[charred wedge]

Remain beautiful

[rich ledge]

just prepare for the worst then you wont be sad when it happens

[onyx scaffold]

im cooked in final

[hollow lagoon]

oh shiet its almos 10

[rich ledge]

nowwww

[hollow lagoon]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[rich ledge]

Bet against myself

[shell hazel]

lol the guy I voted on won 5-0

[rich ledge]

Close call

[shell hazel]

booba whale lost, though I don't think they even saw they won the previous yet :p

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel

[onyx scaffold]

all the big guys I think will win do win

[shell hazel]

unlucky @cunning crown 3-2

now we must pass the power of friendship baton on to @hollow lagoon

[rich ledge]

wow my SG team won against scarlet jackal

[charred wedge]

Omg maybe I will get my unlucky frame 😳

[hollow lagoon]

oh my stall got yeeted into the shadow realm to sg

and my sg lost to their stall

[shell hazel]

still only one to survive to top 8 out of us lot

moran guy also in top 8 btw

[hollow lagoon]

my slow cindy won a vesti comp by very close margin, prob cuz my slow is not too slow its just right

any slower my cindy would died

[shell hazel]

yeah risk is you can lose to a slower slow cindy

trade offs

[hollow lagoon]

true

my vesti cleared a scarlet

lucky crit got me the win on t5, killed cindy with scarlet

[rich ledge]

Anyone interested to watch?

[hollow lagoon]

so in most cases i would have lost

[hollow lagoon]

lol that t1 is magical

[swift mango]

🫃

[rich ledge]

i think if my vesti had more ammo i might have won?

[gaunt pulsar]

sg was close one a little more and scarlet would've bursted

[rich ledge]

while vesti is reloading everyone is being poisoned to death

[hollow lagoon]

maybe

my vesti is 21 ammo

i seen her reload in matches once

[shell hazel]

I have 16 ammo vesti, I think it's OK figure

with bastion on it's 19 but I'd not mind a little more

[hollow lagoon]

21 ammo is def on the high af end

full burst prob wore off by that point

[rich ledge]

yea i thought SG would have lost to scarlet like normal i think cos he positioned jackal as p2 instead of p5

[shell hazel]

I figure 16 is a good spot to reach as it lasts for most of the fb window

[radiant coral]

THEY ALL DOUBTED ME

BUT I DID TOO

[covert lintel]

After a lucky win against me, he lost to a weaker team

[rich ledge]

Mine too but not as bad

Normally they vote for higher sync not sure why they didn't this time

[gritty ridge]

Can you guess what I threw at it

[shell hazel]

bready

[hollow lagoon]

[gritty ridge]

Yes ofc

[rich ledge]

427 doesnt have pvp teams?

[hollow lagoon]

i seen 521 with no pvp teams

[radiant coral]

He did

Which was why I thought I would have lost

[rich ledge]

for your sync to have invested CA teams is also alot

[radiant coral]

I got lucky pulls

[hollow lagoon]

what's with the Guo pfp, that ur last name?

or is it kaku for the japnese version

[radiant coral]

maybe

[west lynx]

Hello guys! Any guides online or resources I can use for what teams to use in PVP? 🙂
Kind of at the point where I feel like I can relocate some of my resources for PVP units. Would love some help! ^^

[shell hazel]

if you didn't yet - build jackal / noah / biscuit and then you can come back for team advice

these are OK on basic doll R-15 or SR-5 4/4/4 skills and basic OL +0 with a rock

[lapis field]

Equipping tempering cube on jackal will apply the dmg reduction to others who are linked?

Or just her?

[west lynx]

Time to get the gear to overload in that case for these 3 units thanks! ^^
Skills and dolls i have built for them so far. Haven't really changed my PVP composition since I started playing

[shell hazel]

there's stuff in pins also but it's a lot of info. jackal and noah in particular will be usable in lots of teams. biscuit a little more situational but very good

her defender immunity makes her a very useful unit for attack comps

[cunning crown]

Oh unfortunate, was hoping gigavesti would take match 1

Might have thrown subbing xmaiden for ada there

[shell hazel]

I didn't watch anything as of yet am at work :9

ada would prevent that being 2RL though, still 2.5 maybe?

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-chosen-one-you-were-the-chosen-one-gif-7521423

[shell hazel]

well now you're the chosen one 😄

[unique wagon]

<@&946725432554836008>

[rich ledge]

the spammer's images dont even lead you there

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-man-this-it-too-much-pressure-tweek-tweak-south-park-s6e6-professor-chaos-gif-22246107

[nimble swan]

Was that team 2.5RL or 3RL by default?

[hollow lagoon]

ada version is prob 3

[shell hazel]

you can get vesti to 2RL with lapT

[cunning crown]

2.5, but it did take a speed hit, alas

[shell hazel]

mine did well this season

hmm no I am getting confused lol

2RL with jackal and bay etc

[cunning crown]

All our hopes rest with thee now

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

moran noah comp with helmT is 2RL with lapT

[hollow lagoon]

imagein i get moran guy first fight and dies immediately

[shell hazel]

kill em 😛

[hollow lagoon]

u think my copium cook can win lel?

[nimble swan]

I wanted to run similar version of vesti and thought it can beat noah moran

[rich ledge]

potential win? I think i lose team 3 so far

im bottom so im defending?

[hollow lagoon]

hope ur soda lives the scarlet?

[rich ledge]

blanc invuln could cause me to lose? since i dont have invuln but cindy burst should be blocked

then if soda dies i lose too. oh no then only team 2 and 4 are wins

[hollow lagoon]

yeah but u have bay and jackal link which prob eat cindy burst

and noise for sustain

its not a slow cindy comp so ur not likely to die

[nimble swan]

Why Ada in moran noah team?

[rich ledge]

cos i dont have laplace treasure so i used maiden in team 1 and have to put ada there

[nimble swan]

Oh I see

[unique wagon]

Scar ammo?

[rich ledge]

30 of course

[keen vapor]

I put noise

[rich ledge]

oo same comp but replace ada with noise? but noise wont get to burst

[keen vapor]

No

[rich ledge]

So quiet post CA in here today

[shell hazel]

my whale still sleeping so SPA 1 secure

[radiant coral]

This time guessing I’m losing

in CA

[lapis field]

Which nikkes are good at cs%? Aside from helm

[shell hazel]

any battery / clip RL, exclude pascal just cba to delete them lol

you want CS relatively evenly done, so it's better to have CS on all your units at 5% or 10% than having none on most and 20% one two units

and it only matters if they're in the same team as eachother

same for units like noise/biscuit also, not shown here but would be included in wanting some CS

rapu/bay/biscuit all benefit a bit from it but I do think you get more mileage with the main burst gens

[lapis field]

I see. I guess it's way better if someone who has low burst gens to cs%

[shell hazel]

not really, high burst gen

you get more burst gen more shot, but sometimes CS doesn't help, you can check the lightning icon on or off to see what helps or doesn't

on https://nikke-deck.web.app/

put the team in there, see if enabling CS lightning icon actually speeds up or not, my goal is going to be 15% on all my batteries when I can, maybe 18% later

there shouldn't be harm in having some will just take a lot of rocks to boost everyone to have it

[covert lintel]

I'm not considered xmaid as battery
She's so low both burst gen and damage

[shell hazel]

she's flex clip SG gen tier

she works in some teams, not all teams though

[covert lintel]

I better use real clip sg rather than xmaid

[shell hazel]

she has decent personal damage, and low feed, if team is same speed with her vs say centi, then she's a good optio

clip SG feeds though

her gen figures are basically the same as the clip SG units

[covert lintel]

It's fine, there's only 1 jackal in this nikke world

[unique wagon]

11 if core 7

[lapis field]

Well, I kinda f up the comp because I tried to cs% of 15 on jackal then it ruins on spa against someone. I guess I'll keep the blue line cs one then reset the others back to normal cs. Goodbye rocks

Greediness got me there

[hollow lagoon]

Ok I lose

but i vote my self

Holy hell this guy is sync 601

[radiant coral]

CN players lowest synchro level

[onyx scaffold]

max 4 pic

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-ronburgundy-confused-doesnt-make-sene-nonsense-gif-4246032

[shell hazel]

was this the leviathan we found last time?

[shell hazel]

seriously this makes no sense at all

[hollow lagoon]

this is no leviathan, this is a celestial object

[shell hazel]

were they on a newer account than you?

[covert lintel]

So many CN players in sea
Did SU merge SEA with the TW server?

[hollow lagoon]

slightly older, like very slightly

[hollow lagoon]

thos is global tho

[covert lintel]

Oh global too?

[gaunt pulsar]

global is full of moonrunes, jp/kr/cn

[mystic rain]

sea is like half chinese

[shell hazel]

china literally in all servers :9

[hollow lagoon]

he's 23969, i'm 24171

[lapis field]

Tried to beat someone who took my spot at spa then wasted 5 times with the cs% of 15 by jackal with blanc against a jackal blanc lineup also. Unorthodox way of beating someone cause I'm helmless...

[rich ledge]

lvl 552 is sync 601?

[hollow lagoon]

yep

[covert lintel]

My group has at least 4 people with the Chinese Union in the final now

[shell hazel]

you need to post the matches because I don't think jackal CS changes would make you win or lose

probably more likely you sent a team that was destined to lose

[rich ledge]

sync higher than level is alot of whale

[lapis field]

Wait, I'll try to post it here

My weird unorthodox lineup kekw

[hollow lagoon]

hopefully i dont get shuffeled into his bracket

[covert lintel]

Chinese wannabe?
Like singapore and malaysia

[mystic rain]

something like that

[shell hazel]

it's a crazy amount, even zanta +100 sync on me and is a newer account. this guy +180 sync ish

personally I don't see the point to whale that much - just speedrun any % end of game as you'll beat every stage in hard mode and have not much to work towards

I kind of prefer my steady progress 🙂

[gaunt pulsar]

i always hope those who whale so much get dropped into the brackets with players that got to that sync naturally so they at least have gear/research level advantage on them
*doubt that happens though considering how shuffling works

[covert lintel]

Unfortunately SU is too lazy to create that kind of algorithm

[rich ledge]

@tropic summit vesti won but scarlet team got outlasted by slow cindy

[lapis field]

@shell hazel here's with the cs 15

[rich ledge]

i think it could have been known, since slow cindy has blanc invuln much later than my team it would outlast

[lapis field]

Then this one is normal

[lapis field]

But on nikke deck calcu is different

No quantum cubes on them, just vigor and tempering

[covert lintel]

This one is obviously because you changed drake into lap+

[lapis field]

But the nikke deck calcu is different even though it has cs 15% on jackal but lower percentage than the Tdrake lineup one a lil higher by 2% though

So I based on the app

[covert lintel]

It's not your jackal's cs at fault, it's because you removed drake feed that your blanc team got faster

[shell hazel]

drakeT feeds jackal so the opponent team speed is different

[covert lintel]

If you want a slower blanc team, just give your opponent jackal feed

[shell hazel]

so if you managed to get 15% CS on jackal - don't roll it off, it's cope that it matters much here

[lapis field]

Hmmm, isn't it lapT also feeds on opponent jackal?

[shell hazel]

SG feeds way higher than RL

drakeT feeds 14% gen to opponent in 2RL

[rich ledge]

8 pellet vs 1 shot

[shell hazel]

lapT basically 0

this is assuming jackal linked enemy is hit

[wild hemlock]

Does temperance cube even reduce damage if they are jackal linked

[shell hazel]

yes it does

[lapis field]

Man, typically I just based on the whole comp team percentage not the individuality based on that

[shell hazel]

or should do (bugs in arena aside lol)

like how immune unit won't share any damage to linked units

[rich ledge]

I'm not sure why people start calling temperance when it's tempering

[shell hazel]

no incorrect also

it's tempura

[rich ledge]

Tempura is fine since it's a joke/nickname

[shell hazel]

it's also shorter than the other two 😄

[shell hazel]

if you run like Rapi into jackal it goes crazy lol

feeds opponent 67% in 2RL 😄

your drakeT team was probably feeding them to burst sooner than your lapT one

so their indom expired earlier

[lapis field]

Wow. So much to learn about comps, ngl, I was just basing the square highlight

[shell hazel]

speeding up opponent team is a valid strat you can use

but yeah keep your CS rolls on jackal it's not changing the way this works imo

and even if it was you'd be better off changing something else to adjust it

[lapis field]

Yeah, on some cases it's about to burst faster

[tropic summit]

holy F vestiTU completely denied their massive sustain

[shell hazel]

the 🍿 ?

[tropic summit]

yeah midhara DoT actually out damages your blanc dot heal

gonna need to add some sustain afterall

[shell hazel]

wait why is the scar comp with blanc?

you need 2RL trina buffed scar to nuke

[tropic summit]

for T1

scar blanc rh rapunzel jackal

scarlet temperance
blanc healing/vigor
rh temperance
rapunzel healing/vigor
jackal quantum

[tropic summit]

he already did that, rumani and blanc receive invulnerability and they die to DoT

[shell hazel]

I see, it's rng more I guess

it can win, we saw it with some others 🙂

vesti probably just smashed them all dead during full burst

[tropic summit]

he needs to kill in 1hitko rumani before she gets invulnerable but due to placement he'd need little damage on p1

the way opponent designed that team forces you into DoT unless you've very little dmg in p1, that'd be achievable but he needs to change approach on t3

why the f is this censored

[tropic summit]

yeah was expecting to see their heal actually going off, turns out they don't heal in time at all, if you watch the replay it's pure comedy

vesti literally says: no, you die now

[covert lintel]

That's why double buff mpriv was better
She gave little dmg since no counter, then the moment she burst p2-p5 die

And blanc was there, don't have any chance to burst

[lapis field]

Well, I just learned about the pellet or shot count stats underneath that it should be higher so it can burst the opp sooner in a blanc vs blanc situation despite how the nikke deck shows the highlighted square have a low % than the other

[tropic summit]

what team would that be? you need double buff mpriv with little dmg output on p1 to not pop invulnerable and assumes you're either 2RL or 3RL

plus good luck finding someone who has regularly mpriv built

[covert lintel]

I use something like this
2.5rl team

Just 1 RL nikke is enough
Just to poke and say hello for p2

You can change helmT to another clip rl too but should be iron so the dmg won't be high

That means only centi

[tropic summit]

good, but he needs helmT for the other team

also we don't know what's his CS% like

[fast nest]

Can Attack sg win scarlet team?(no jackal)

[covert lintel]

Jackal is fine too

[covert lintel]

No, they died immediately

[tropic summit]

yes if they delete scarlet or get rosanna to nuke scarlet in time, although it also depends on what backup B3 opponent has and their speed

it's also heavily dependant on s2 procc rate, a good procc rate can kill rosanna herself

[fast nest]

So if rosanna alive, then sg have a chance to depeat scarlet team. Right?

[covert lintel]

No, still lost

[fast nest]

Hmm

[tropic summit]

yes that team can then die

even just 1 SG can be lethal against remaining utilities

rosanna + sg + b2 is generally enough to wipe

most SG comp have 1 SG on lower HP than others, which can get you to procc rosanna and get her snowballing

[covert lintel]

I'm talking about ca btw, so you should listen to rail

[fast nest]

Of course my question is about CA.

[tropic summit]

CA as blood has pointed out before can be research level dependant and just change that outcome

e.g. a better overall core and research level can deny SG OR scarlet both ways

on the other hand the matchup is still heavily RNG oriented to scarlet procc rate

[covert lintel]

Yes, but i don't see any rosanna as atker team without jackal win against scarlet even once.
They died immediately

But you can hope a miracle happen and cheer for them

[tropic summit]

depends on scarlet procc rate

bad procc rate: rosanna lives: scarlet dies

good procc rate: possibly most SG and rosanna ded

the other variable is whether an SG dies before rosanna dies, then rosanna proccs burst gen which gets her to 1hitko scarlet

truly, the cancer of RNG all in one match

[covert lintel]

Scarlet won't die, cause usually sg died before 2s trina immunity expire

And that absorb rosanna burst too

[tropic summit]

tell that to blood's bracket

[fast nest]

It would be 9 : 1 ratio to scarlet vs atk sg?

[tropic summit]

he'll be glad to give you videos where both his scarlet vs sg and his sg vs scarlet died

[tropic summit]

no i'd stay around 5 : 5

[fast nest]

Got it.

[tropic summit]

it depends on the bracket and the invest difference too

SEA has pretty skewed wide pool

global is a bit more balanced

in SEA case research diff can make the match

global tends to have less skewing via research/invest

[gritty ridge]

Nah, im gonna proc rosa by oneshoting my opponents p1/p5

[tropic summit]

good ol SR5 rosa with 20%ish atk and no ele

[gritty ridge]

My rosa has 30% atk

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor

https://tenor.com/view/tobiichi-origami-anime-date-a-live-sniper-gif-17353119

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-saving-private-ryan-private-jackson-wwii-snipe-gif-21409137

[sudden drift]

just saying hi and sharing rookie pro tip newer pvp players might encounter... if you see a team with noah (no SR doll, or no biscuit), send your SG units and cheese the win

[shell hazel]

I already ascended my whole rookie arena is in shambles

[fathom rock]

About time

[shell hazel]

[sudden drift]

yeh, everyone and their mother has same defense squads. 3RL siren helmT vesti squads... like they all forgot they were using 2RL ros teams last week.

[fathom rock]

Hime vs phoric

[sudden drift]

was this your account or your betting winning streak

@shell hazel but i have mad beef with one guy so i spent 5 attempts today to knock him out of top 3 in rookie.

[warped path]

I defeated keripo...Im PROJECT:
My union members who have been teasing me for 2 years cant even beliebe it, even myself 2 days before i had my own simulations pointing this out....still i didnt tought i was gonna win.
Combat deficit in pvp is hard to outcome.
But i did it.
I just hope everyone who sees this think: If a standard dude could beat a megalodon, then pvp is balanced and not exactly unfair how they told me 100 times already.

Hope everyone have a nice day just like me.

[sudden drift]

congrats! but too much RNG in CA. nevertheless now you can talk shit to your union forever

[gaunt pulsar]

vs

[upper grove]

But pvp in SP is unfair how are you going to join CA if you have 4 keripo lvl players in your bracket

[warped path]

I agree with you in the matter of rng.
But recently we had enough variety of nikkes to assemble enough strategies with also enough countermeasures to at least turn the tide a little to your own side.
Many thanks for everything, including your reply.

[warped path]

Doro wins.
Dorobrutality.

[swift mango]

Whale still have more search than everyone.

[tropic summit]

simple, you don't, miss out on nothing anyway

[upper grove]

Fair enough

[tropic summit]

damn the dream is bayover, but you'll get em next time

p.s. MC 481 soon, better be breakin' those slippers

@spiral onyx
#pvp-arena message

[hollow lagoon]

mc 481 kill is easy kill

[tropic summit]

i hope you're right

the thing i fear is lacking DPS although my ein, s.anis and cindy are top 8 invest

[hollow lagoon]

my ein is only like 3 atk 1 ele

[tropic summit]

2 blue line atk, 3 ele

[hollow lagoon]

i dont do blue lines i have 5-8%s

3 ele? looks like a pre 481 clear to me bruh

[tropic summit]

you don't have 4 black atk and 4 black ele lines? casual

[hollow lagoon]

gib me 1 year of rocks ill roll lel

[tropic summit]

i can't even break slippers with those

[hollow lagoon]

that's not possible?

how what que?

do u not fully charge ur shots?

[tropic summit]

rrh crown ein s.anis cindy = not lethal, not enough dmg
liter crown ein s.anis cindy = not lethal, not enough dmg
liter crown ein s.anis helmt = lethal on slippers, not enough dmg

[hollow lagoon]

i broke them 464 range

[tropic summit]

ye i follow the strat to a T, not enough dmg on slippers unless she has 4 buffers

you need mmast to be lethal on slippers on 461

[sudden drift]

@tropic summit dunno if you saw this but hopefully this excuses why i create teams that you find ridiculous... rank 4 gemmed 5 times to retake his spot. this is a defense team that someone in top 4 considered "hmm lemme copy that team for my own defense"

[tropic summit]

that's not ridicolous but definitely overcommited, your other teams probably look a bit weaker if you put noah bay and jackal together

[hollow lagoon]

what's the rail tracer's sync at

[tropic summit]

le 462

[hollow lagoon]

ein dupe count?

[sudden drift]

very overcomitted to use those 4 units in one team

[tropic summit]

ein 1 dupe
crown 2 dupes
cindy 4 dupes
s.anis 1 dupe

[hollow lagoon]

o

maybe cuz my ein is core 7

[tropic summit]

the real missing piece anyway from what i've seen is mmast, none of the 461 low clears run without her

481 start being mmastless

[hollow lagoon]

what mmast i didnt use mmast for container

[tropic summit]

then you whel diffed i guess

[hollow lagoon]

cindy rouge ein sanis crown

[tropic summit]

wow not even liter

[hollow lagoon]

used rrh pre 474 but post 474 rouge did better

what's a liter

1000ml

[sudden drift]

my c7 Ein still has issues breaking slippers in anomaly

[hollow lagoon]

wot?

my rouge break slippers in anomaly i dont even use ein there anymore

[sudden drift]

bad lines

[hollow lagoon]

sad

u can try mmast but that reload speed on sanis is the tasty part

the no cinderella tho is idk?

[spiral onyx]

Nice, congrats!

[gaunt pulsar]

you sure your other units not hitting it accidentally during full burst or something? you can cover for the shot so only ein shots

[hollow lagoon]

yeah i broke slippers in the sync 300s

for AI

and my ein had even worse rolls then now

[spiral onyx]

CP deficit doesn't apply in CA btw, only SP Arena. SP Arena is "unfair" but CA is very fair in the same way that SR is fair. So long as you take the time to invest into the proper PvP units, everyone who makes it in has a chance at winning in CA

[glad glade]

I love gambling

[hollow lagoon]

i think i'm dead at top 8 this season bois

but i did over shoot ym goal of top 32 so

[sudden drift]

yes i cover. no its simply Ein has 1-2 atk no ele and Cindy has 3-4 ele no atk lines

[hollow lagoon]

feels like this is how i do now days i either get killed at advance/64 range or i make it to 8 and die immediately

[hollow lagoon]

wot sync?

[sudden drift]

400+

[hollow lagoon]

?

how can dis be

who's ur b1?

or are u like no crown?

[sudden drift]

im not saying i cant break them, timing issues with burst, can clear s7 but would like to fully clear

[hollow lagoon]

oh

well i'm in same boat

friggen

50 million to go

but i dont have ur

timing to break slipper issue

or maybe i done it too many times

kinda derpy, if i send my rouge and sanis's gear to level 5 i might just make it

[sudden drift]

sorry to hear you got knocked out this time. any chance you can give some advice on not min but sweet spot in resource mgt for skill investments for nero moran quiry?

[hollow lagoon]

prob 10 7 7 and 7 7 10

problem is nero is not a must use now days

but i'm operating on 5/5/9

or is it 5 7 9

[sudden drift]

ok guess that team wont be built until 2027

[hollow lagoon]

just use moran

[tropic summit]

nero moran team is expensive

book wise and doll wise

assuming you wanna max out, both could use def% aswell

[sudden drift]

yes i know expensive but really need 10/7/7 or 10/7/10 etc? might as well reset those units next week and use them on new pilgrims

was just hoping theres a happy medium like 7/4/7 or 7/7/7 somewhere

[hollow lagoon]

u dont have to use nero now days

just invest moran

or my like me

copium 6/6/9

if ur not frame chasing u shouldent be investing in CA teams

[worthy sorrel]

you got one!
avoided sweep at least, but on the loss. so close to top 8

@short moon grats on top 8! first top 8 right since we got raptured up to these brackets?

amazingly i made it through KZ, so can meet up sync locked at least compared to just sitting in SPA with a cp gap

glgl

[spiral onyx]

Nero and Moran are tanks so it's literally however much investment you can afford - a tank only is as strong as it's investment levels. Quiry isn't stat dependent though, only skill level dependent, but she's also not a "critical" unit in the comp

[wise horizon]

Looks good to go?

[tropic summit]

look at this idiot, absolutely jebaited

[sudden drift]

Mana being the replacement for Quiry? regardless need to put aside that pipe dream until after anni. tks to you and @tropic summit for feedback

[tropic summit]

100% knew he was gonna hit at xx.59, hope he had fun seeing the teams change 1 minute before

why are chinese all like this in my bracket

[radiant coral]

least sweatiest CN player

[tropic summit]

T2 is fine, should be lethal on double buff even if they're 2.5RL
T3 assumes opponent doesn't get to 2RL, but based on the units run and your no feed team, should be on same burst assuming similar CS%, although you may want to remove biscuit for a clip RL to ensure you're 2RL

[warped path]

Thanks, it is not a easy task to keep up with you. Specially when you are in disadvantage, shift up likes to be picky with the collab reruns and thats killing me.

[warped path]

interesting fact, pheraps thats why i won, in my predictions i calculated that my units could win but the cp was a barrier that would change the tide, specially knowing that rossana has a sensitive behavior. I also managed to defeat a lot of times a player with 60 syncs more than me but the arrival of the new vesti sadly made the game turn 180 degrees.

@spiral onyx now i have to ask you 2 things: why people is obsessed with mihara in pvp? and why nero hasnt been nerfed yet?.... do they know that with less than 30 syncs in special arena people can do 1 damage? ha.

[spiral onyx]

There's a couple variants, each wins against some comps but loses against others. But at the end of the day it's still very much a game of RNG rock paper scissors so the exact comp may not matter so much as what the opponent team is. Papercraft scissors and barber scissors will both win against tissue paper, but may still struggle against a really thick layer of corrugated cardboard.

[lethal karma]

is this possible?

or should i switch w this

[warped path]

never set up jackal in the left side.

[spiral onyx]

60 sync difference only matters in Rookie and SP Arena. In CA, everyone is locked into the same synchro level and the CP deficit does not apply. I haven't logged in yet today so haven't seen the matches yet but no matter how strong or big the CP difference, a SG team will almost always lose against a Biscuit team with P1/P5 defenders for example. A Scarlet will almost always lose against a same speed Noah. Hard counters are hard counters, and whether or not your stars align is up to RNGesus

CA is 33% investment, 33% team comps, 33% RNG, and 1% ||deez nuts||. Investments apart from core count can be capped out eventually (anyone who focuses on PvP should have enough rocks by now to 18% CS all their units) and team comps are more or less figured out with everyone copying each other. So the biggest factor now is primarily RNG in matchups.

[tropic summit]

SG pressure is on the 5th position, which is linked unit with the highest lvl doll, meaning more damage reduction

jackal positioning depends on who you want to tank SGs or tank other regular class weapons

in his case, drake has got more DR than jackal does

[warped path]

im aware of that, thats the reason of why i was asking about mihara. CA is a different kind of combat, where mihara isnt apropiate at all since she is only usable as a defense or attack when you surpass your enemy by a lot.

[shell hazel]

if the team works, the team works?

@tropic summit where is my Nyuta?

[tropic summit]

first 10 rolls surely

[placid bloom]

you pull on 1% banner?

rich people

[shell hazel]

I will be but partially because I want the doll mats, and partially because I want the mileage

[spiral onyx]

She breaks standard PvP convention. She applies a strong DoT that continues dealing damage even after her death. So you can build a pure stall comp whose strategy is to effectively continue surviving while Mihara's DoT kills. Because this damage source is independent from burst gen speed, you aren't restrained to the standard "needs to be faster than 3RL" philosophy that applies to most other teams. This gives you more flexibility in team building.

[placid bloom]

me peepee poor, pray on daily free pull or mileage

[shell hazel]

normally the best move is just mileage right away, but unless I get lucky I'm doing that anyway

[tropic summit]

there is always a way 💳

[warped path]

i would still prefer to use my SR Anis.... hahahah but well... people likes mihara, nothing to said against that.

[placid bloom]

my money not for gacha, only for expensive cardboards

[tropic summit]

dafuq SR anis and midhara serve completely different purposes

[spiral onyx]

I think she is usable at even strength. But she does need relatively high investment cause otherwise her damage can get outhealed.

As to why people with low investments still run her? Same reason people run core0 Noise/Noah wearing +0 non-OL gear and then get surprised when they lose

[tropic summit]

good ol noise core 0 +0 gear with blue doll

obviously p1

[placid bloom]

well they either lose because they have monkey team or they lose because uninvested, either way they gonna lose

[tropic summit]

and solo B1

[placid bloom]

[short moon]

:0 surprised, but congrats on your w. Im ready to get beat tmrw morning

[warped path]

All im gonna say before i go here keripo is that people is lucky because i dont have makima and probably i wont ever get it thanks to shift up... Makima is that nikke i never got because in those times the game was different, harder and i didnt had the chance to get it by mileage.

[spiral onyx]

Everyone puts her in P1 so I should too. If I blindly copy the winning teams, surely I'll win one day as well

[tropic summit]

solid working strategy, 10/10

[spiral onyx]

Makima has a really high potential if we get to the point where we can field her without burst gen worry

[warped path]

i really feel bad pretty often because of that.... Shift up please....

[shell hazel]

screw makima, wen priscilla?

https://tenor.com/view/barielle-priscilla-priscilla-re-zero-rezero-gif-3462403062579551413

[warped path]

In my eyes she is an ace, hidden and buried by shift up.... a resource i cant use.

[shell hazel]

I don't think she is popular to run even among the people that do have her currently

[tropic summit]

slapping makima in a team means killing your burst gen, compared to moran that actually gives nuke resistance, she only cares about herself and staying alive for a few seconds.

if the whole team is dead, makima alone won't do a thing

[warped path]

this is not about popularity, its about potential, she is way too usefull to not use it... People pretty often cant see that.

[tropic summit]

she was a good pick when we didn't have many burst gen options and when things like moran weren't usable yet because of that

[warped path]

she is meant to be used with at least 2 rl units and 1 shotgun(18 burst gen), enough to compensate the burst loss or more. It needs very carefull tought. She isnt meant to be used in prolonged fights, just fights where you need a unkillable unit until you nuke the enemy team.

[quartz rover]

@flat fern I see you got aldaria

They probably don't even check, I've not attacked them in a month or two

[tropic summit]

put her in current meta and against the commonly used strong archetypes, she'll lose against most, because she does not offer cover to her team unlike moran and noise do

at best she's placeholder tank unit in p1/p5, then the rest of the team needs to pick up her slack trading it for the safety she offers for that single position

[spiral onyx]

Makima is not a B2 unit, she is heavily out contested by other B2 units who offer team wide benefits. She is a very strong standalone flex unit... Except for the fact that her burst gen sucks. So in a team environment where burst gen matters, it's often better to pick a battery like Centi or Rumani over her. But in a hypothetical world where burst gen was no longer an issue because somehow the other 4 units are able to achieve 2RL without Makima, then Makima would be a premium 5th pick.

[warped path]

thats the funny thing, i dont have it....

[warped path]

True, i also think she is the best choice for a 5th team.

[tropic summit]

you're on keripo bracket and don't have moran/noise invested? still won CA against him without, that's wild...

[flat fern]

they 5 tapped me on SP arena like 5 hours ago

[warped path]

Im trying to keep up with the units but sadly i dont have resources for all that, im still working in my vest wich needs some special lines and after i finish my blancs doll, vesti goes next in the enhacement list.

[worthy sorrel]

ain't over until the simulation runs

am worried for either of us though if DPX clears Halley

[tropic summit]

that's reasonable, her kit destroys so many matchups afterall

[warped path]

my noise btw is quite ok, she needs a few touches in the ol lines, my biggest issue might be Nero but she doesnt fit in my playstyle....

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit @shell hazel #gacha-rolls message

[shell hazel]

Nero seems to be falling out of the meta somewhat

[shell hazel]

grats on your body labels 😄

[flat fern]

core 7 noah

[warped path]

Heres the thing about the new vesti and why it changed the pvp 180 degrees: when you have a unit that massivelly does that true damage a person with low sync in SA wont be able to exploit it at all, But if you lead then you have a unbeatable unit in terms of damage, impossible to avoid. Thats why true damage is something that breaks the game in SA. In CA that doesnt change too much anyway.

[shell hazel]

easiest pilgrim to c7 just need to 💳 and then silver mileage dupes

[warped path]

another thing to point out: if you have a core 6 unit better keep the mileage.

and remove it from wishlist

[wise horizon]

thanks. it worked out but the guy just hits back and is willing to spend gems......

[tropic summit]

wait you didn't have her yet?

[tropic summit]

well clearly...

[shell hazel]

I dunno why didn't wait for new pilgrims to be added to mold 😮

that's what I'm doing, no point really pulling the old ones now

[hollow lagoon]

no

[warped path]

Vulnerable to true damage.... thats why i talk about makima....

[tropic summit]

ye it's true, she allows for deficit wins better than most units can because of that

[shell hazel]

may as well up my odds of a new one

[hollow lagoon]

its the perfect pilgrim mold, the 100%

[flat fern]

the old ones never gave me a pilgrim

always Rs

[hollow lagoon]

well i got a noah

[shell hazel]

belortas for days

[hollow lagoon]

when i have a max noah

[flat fern]

actually cursed for hitting the 20??%

[warped path]

better than a r unit or sr.

be happy.... or regret about buying all those noah cores in the store.

[hollow lagoon]

true

[shell hazel]

it's a perfect mold can't be r or sr

[warped path]

sorry bro, you have the right to regret about it.

[shell hazel]

not my mold 😛

I'm saving mine until after NY one is added

[flat fern]

#notmymold

[tropic summit]

working as intended

[flat fern]

also since I already got laplace and helm treasured, who should I do next

[warped path]

ah... i really feel bad for something: i wish i could change of union.

[shell hazel]

for pvp none really that useful except maybe bay

we will have new treasures at the end of the year or so

[flat fern]

sadge, and the other option for pve so far is exia for electric weak content

[warped path]

Some people likes to annoy others instead of just doing for you a small favor.

[shell hazel]

tove if you didn't do good for sg team pve

[gaunt pulsar]

do tove for sg pve meta

[flat fern]

wait hol up I forgot I treasured her

[shell hazel]

but above all, don't do them yet, build anni units first :p

[warped path]

c ya guys, good luck.

[lethal karma]

how do i beat with this roster?****

[tropic summit]

are these units ordered by strength?

[lethal karma]

yes

wait

[tropic summit]

anis dolless more CP than purple doll alice would be crazy

[lethal karma]

huh why is ada furthermost left

[tropic summit]

order them by CP then post it again, the screenshot for the matchup is fine

[tropic summit]

ye that's better

[lethal karma]

forgot to refresh

[warped path]

he is low lvl, he needs a guide.... like a big one. I dont have such guide but if you know anyone.... give it to him.

[tropic summit]

post this matchup so we can check CP (you're on the left)

[tropic summit]

ye plenty on range, one thing to confirm

run jackal vestitu anchor ada sbs in shooting range and tell me if vestiTU gets jumping jackal buff

we also need to confirm if the buff goes to ada or SBS, i'm thinking Ada on invest

[lethal karma]

kk let me check rq

[lethal karma]

vesti only gets crazy jackal, ada and sbs both has jumping jackal

[tropic summit]

hmm oke, vesti should be fine even if exposed to 3 splashers, worst case scenario you've backup burst with ada giving lifesteal

run

jackal vestiTU anchor SBS ada (invert SBS with Ada so we get SBS B3)

rest can stay as is, you can then run the teams

[lethal karma]

they made it

[tropic summit]

vesti didn't get to die, managed to reach burst and get lifesteal goin, better than expected

[lethal karma]

wbout this one (i seriously need to check pvp guide on my own after this so i don't rent here daily )

[tropic summit]

tbh you can learn from these, you should've noticed the patterns we using

p1/p5 linked units with jackal, nuke B3
biscuit locked team (defender in p1 or p5)

[tropic summit]

this one knows a bit more what they doing, as there are somewat better cooked teams, but you should still be able to punish t1 and t2

[lethal karma]

did you mean mine or their jackal/biscuit?

[tropic summit]

your teams

[lethal karma]

or just how you should put them in general

oh

should be able to just swap my 2nd and 3rd team right

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[tropic summit]

this one is a bit trickier because you facing an actual 2 proper teams and a very copium one

the weaker proper team is the bay one with RH in p3 which we can punish with vesti

although we can take the cheaper way and just CP pad against it

[warped path]

i got something for you. Something essential to understand half of the pvp maybe a third... who knows. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11KWYeyvef91A-vfFuqglJJ8-OhR90TcKFVpJ6Ny_5h4/edit#gid=1990278246 This document has a section named: "Burst gen". There you will find the values of nikkes with no aditional charge speed. Hope it helps you.

[tropic summit]

show me the CP matchup with this one for reference

[wise horizon]

T1: even with double buff, and being 2.5RL vs opponents 3RL. Can win?

[tropic summit]

that T3 wins against that? and no T1 you're feeding them to 2RL

noise is linked

[green summit]

does anyone have any good suggestions for an SP arena defense. I'm willing to build whatever. I do have nuVesti.

[warped path]

theres a problem with that graph. It doesnt take into account charge speed. In low lvl scenarios is aceptable, but in high investment scenarios its not 100% accurate.

[wise horizon]

T3 is fine. won a few times before

[tropic summit]

i know... i've been doing this for over 1 year

[tropic summit]

remove rumani and place volume instead

[lethal karma]

literally my pve team

[tropic summit]

yeah you're on deficit advantage here

you're going to melt RH

[warped path]

sorry for being honest: but your current sync lvl does not match the overal investment required for pvp. You have R dolls in some units and no dolls in another units essential to make pvp on this days.... Still, if you are lucky enough to be in a easy bracket you might be on the top 10 easilly. Start investing in SR Anis at all cost. Make sure your Centi,Jackal,Helm,Rumani,Trina,Blanc, Anis, Emilia and poli are in top investment in all matters... doll, equipment, treasure if applicable, everything.

[tropic summit]

we can remake the plan with this approach, lemme remake

[lethal karma]

ight 🫡

[tropic summit]

post this and you ready to go

just confirming CP on T1

[green summit]

Could I have someone else help me on my pvp team?

[lethal karma]

oh no i got demoted, have to switch target

[tropic summit]

i'd go with this with your box

this assumes you've the common CS% for emi and batteries

once vestiTU is better invested you can change up T2

[lethal karma]

should work

[tropic summit]

ye both are wins, T3 is defaulted via deficit

[green summit]

thanks a lot, for Emilia I'm at 19.8% CS lines, without bonus from skills or cube I think people say she needs to be 21%? Should i give her an adj cube or continue rerollin gher lines for 21%? I'm okay with investing hard into nuvesti if I need to.

[warped path]

👍

[tropic summit]

ye you want vestiTU to be as high up as your s.anis

[lethal karma]

pvp deficit starts at 15% yes? also i watched the live battle and the 2nd team barely took damage

[warped path]

if you have more than 18% you should be happy. Just remember that after getting all pvp nikkes with cs lines (RL and SR) you should start gathering atk as well, theres only a few exceptions to the rule. Regarding other nikkes: AR nikkes or smg just 4x atk lines + any other line that can come up into the rolls should be enough. Examples: Rossana and blanc.

[tropic summit]

15.4% to be precise

you can find this out by multiplying enemy CP score for 0.846, if your team is higher than that value, you're not in penality

the same can be applied in reverse to your team, if you're still higher after multiplying, you've deficit advantage

[lethal karma]

thanks for the help yall

[tropic summit]

if you meet this opponent and he still runs same teams, you're good to go btw

CP is fine and the matchups are good

[warped path]

let me suggest you to not use the same teams from atk in defense, make another squads for defense. Never show your atk strategy

[lethal karma]

ah good thing cuz i never updated that ever

[tropic summit]

@green summit further correction, you can rotate lappy to T3 and put a rumani in T2 instead

gives you resistance to siren and SGs in T2, gives T3 more splash pressure, also adds CP

[green summit]

Thanks i'll do that. Is it okay to still use nuVesti in T1? I just checked and she has no CS lines. I only have 4 rocks right now. Should i sub her out.

[tropic summit]

vestiTU in T1 gives you siren resistance if scarlet isn't lower than 22 ammo

as it ensures either scarlet or vesti goes off

the purpose of that team is to force a noah or a bay out

[green summit]

I see then, I'll keep her in. thanks

[tropic summit]

we definitely want to rotate her out of that team once she's stronk

as she can be your main B3 elsewhere

e.g.

noise/jackal vestitu emi laplace noah can be a nastier version of what you have

[green summit]

i just realized both t2 and t3 have biscuit

[tropic summit]

you're right, biscuit in T2 is xmaiden

[green summit]

Is it bad if my Scarlet is 251.06% max ammo? I had her since game release and everyone back then recommended mainly max ammo on her.

[gritty ridge]

9 billion years away

[hollow lagoon]

I want more skill books too

[cunning crown]

contribution made

[hollow lagoon]

I look dead af tho

I vote my self out of principle

[cunning crown]

underdog takes all ez win

[hollow lagoon]

Man that guy is not even a whale

It’s a celestial object

Hopefully I’m never shuffled into him

[crystal flicker]

At least you're not against God

[hollow lagoon]

lol

[crystal flicker]

This CA Iost against RNGod

Like every other CA

[hollow lagoon]

Can 24171 ever get shuffled into the 23969 range

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/-T5zV0P23E4?si=ZCyWTpxA0tAAjRFs

[crystal flicker]

What?

[hollow lagoon]

Server range

[crystal flicker]

I'm Emiless got suffled into Emi's Bracket so

[gaunt pulsar]

in Spa?

[hollow lagoon]

Ye

[gritty ridge]

Does this mean shuffle