pvp-arena

[tulip quest]

You can't beat Wallet, SPA Arena Proved it, C.A Arena A little depending how much difference u have in module levels.

[fathom rock]

Rail is more alice player than I am lmao

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-hold-gif-2867896429227625752

[hollow lagoon]

U know what’s weird

[fathom rock]

This game still being alive

[hollow lagoon]

I deal more damage on pc since I can aim better, but I feel mobile have slightly better burst gen

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-much-to-learn-star-wars-attack-electricity-gif-10182983

[fathom rock]

That just means either aiming better is placebo or you spam better on phone lmao

[tulip quest]

THE POWER OF GOON

[hollow lagoon]

I def does not spam for burst gen

[fathom rock]

Wait wha

[tulip quest]

Won't your phone break?

[fathom rock]

From spamming no
From nikke being too much to run maybe

[hollow lagoon]

My iphone 15 heats

[fathom rock]

Just un heat it

[hollow lagoon]

I do spam for burst gen but I did not when I was comparing pc and mobile burst gen

[tulip quest]

U need refrigerator for that I works

[hollow lagoon]

I’m kind of bad tho so when I do spam for burst gen I barely get any time

[swift mango]

Putting it in the fridge.

[hollow lagoon]

I can just move a bit up north and play my phone outside

[swift mango]

Just a bit.

[hollow lagoon]

Do u recall the max amount of bullets for scarlet to dodge siren stun?

[swift mango]

32

[hollow lagoon]

Oh nice

Got 31 good nuff

Kinda want 30 but I ain’t spending rocks for that

[swift mango]

Well, I mean the gif that Alice twitched her head very fast until the ban messenge appeared.

[upper harbor]

Going to try and nab Chall 4 spot morning reset. Any opinions on my SA teams? Have had good luck with these teams for the lower brackets. I doubt I'll be able to push further as the rest of the players are 1million CP difference. Appreciate everyone's time again, cheers!

[fathom rock]

No, using fan

[fathom rock]

T2 matchup drake can ruin your indom and Rosa sniper your vesti

Also deficit

Other 2 seem fine

[upper harbor]

Thanks Retro, I wasn't too sure on the Vesti - Scar/Rosa matchup. Mainly hoping the other two win. Can Jackel still proc early with the bug or was that patched?

[fathom rock]

The bug was patched but this doesn't affect you much

Atleast in these matchups

[upper harbor]

Awesome thanks. I do have XMaiden, so I was thinking of subbing Laplace out in the case Vesti dies, but will be a big CP hit.

[fathom rock]

Rosanna hits 2 attackers putting maiden in should have vesti die and maiden live but now you question your burst speed

[upper harbor]

Gotcha thank you, I thought Maiden Ice Rose was slightly better with burst gen. Do you think building Rosa or Moran serves any purpose in my current SA teams? Doubt I'll get CA anytime soon.

[fathom rock]

If you hold your pos already not much, also you said yourself peeps above this point way too high for you
Xmaid and lapT almost identical burst gen, main difference would be element and maiden being defender

[fathom sparrow]

@crystal flicker thanks for the help with my teams the other day, they are working great

[upper harbor]

Yeah, I'm at 2.6 mill for the SA teams, def have room to pad my CP. My highest attack win so far is against 2.9 mill. But aside from the Chal 4 guy who is at 2.89 the rest are like 3.3mill+. Appreciate the help Retro 😄

[fathom rock]

If you already make 2.7k there is 0 gain there unless you desperate for ca, have a nice day

[upper harbor]

Cheers mate, you too. Would be the first time, as its a pretty aggressive spending ladder. Will have to hit last minute, end of season to keep the spot most likely haha

[shell hazel]

top 8 let's go!

@nimble swan @hollow lagoon @cunning crown @umbral belfry the power of friendship is delivering!

so close to 5-0 sweep only rosanna stopped it 😛

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-awesome-lets-goo-gif-25735485

[shell hazel]

[scenic hatch]

[keen vapor]

This is why people still don't have the frames

[atomic wolf]

this man is a menace

he built 1.5rl scarlet comp

just that uh he doesn't have a burst 1

[keen vapor]

Did he?

[atomic wolf]

Yes

[keen vapor]

[cunning crown]

I'm believing pretty hard rn ngl

[shell hazel]

Tenshi is here though and he is scarily sweeping 😄

winner of last one

[nimble swan]

Congrats getting in top 8!
The spirit bomb in unstoppable

[wild patio]

BRO WTF, did he ever log off the game?!!

https://tenor.com/view/jake-gyllenhaal-detective-loki-prisoners-gif-27283487

[gentle mason]

Looking to improve my current pvp team, who should I add and replace?

[keen vapor]

actually you can't stay logged in for more than 24h consecutively

[shell hazel]

I hope so
happy with getting top 8 even if I crash out haha, not been here that often

[wild patio]

what... would happen if one do so..?

[shell hazel]

you'd be on Mars where the days are slightly longer

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-1787947313354313976

[keen vapor]

Game logs you out forcefully

[nimble swan]

That guy with the SR15 Pepper is intimidating for sure

Just won 5-0

[late tiger]

Winter/summertime reset

So you can stay online 25h

[keen vapor]

[wind kelp]

I know there's probably no chance in hek for me to beat our 1 spot, but hey, if y'all got some ideas, might as well give it a go 😄 (my teams are from last time, so can ignore)

[cunning crown]

If I'd sr15'd my rapu three hours earlier I'm convinced she'd have survived his rei meme team last time and nero stall would have taken him out

[digital rivet]

I'm running into the same problem. My rival responds so quickly every time lol

[wild patio]

🥀 we live in a society

[shell hazel]

SR-15 pepper

[dim sapphire]

They had notification turn on when you attack in pvp, source is me

[shell hazel]

no chance you need like 900K+ power

[shell hazel]

if you'd beaten him we could have an epic final battle

[wind kelp]

Good to know already, might as well keep the backup token then 😄

[upper grove]

[cunning crown]

Heretics and non-believers smh

The 6% will inherit the credit boxes

[umbral belfry]

YEAHHH

[umbral belfry]

biscuit higher atk than mihara

[verbal aurora]

What was the counter to scarlet Blanc? Noah tanks the burst but then scarlet is popping my team after

[swift mango]

@strong hull

The Comick site I used to read manga and send your recommendation suddenly closing down. I swear I won't change site from Mangapark ever again. A waste of time to transfer and even bookmark each time...

First Batoto then Mangakakalot then Comick, every kinda good site just disappears after I used it for awhile.... Only that Mangapark site stays strong.

[umbral belfry]

[strong hull]

im basically just use mangadex

[tropic summit]

wow that guy still didn't let go

[swift mango]

Mangadex got nuked too I think?

[empty imp]

can someone cook something up for SP and Rookie Arena with these?

[swift mango]

A bit too late but yeah, this is the one.

[placid bloom]

mangadex got hit with big DMCA so lost a lot of series I think

[hybrid fox]

[atomic wolf]

im enjoying mgsv bro...

[placid bloom]

bato still works I think? But half the upload nowadays is BL

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

have you seen the matches it's basically mirrors almost.
t1 - my 2RL scar (RH ver) into their slow cindy
t2 - my slow cindy into their 2RL scar (soda ver)
t3 - sg vs sg
t4 - my stall into their vesti
t5 - my vesti into their stall

[umbral crown]

Imagine winning against a 535 whale full C7 units

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

@tropic summit i did the thing

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

In my experience, only Mangapark is the site that would never get hit with DCMA in the entire mangahosting business. It has been standing strong since Onemanga era until now.

Never again I change to amateur sites just to lose my bookmark.

[upper grove]

Gotta love CA

[shell hazel]

i'll lay them out but honestly rng could wind up playing into it 😄

[covert lintel]

We need another frame for consecutive win cheer frame

[umbral crown]

Me vs asia looks like

[covert lintel]

3 chinese

[umbral crown]

[upper grove]

I'll cheer for you and call it a day, can't get any cheer streak anyway

[shell hazel]

haha, gotta vote with the boys 😄
I was going for loser frame

[swift mango]

[covert lintel]

Once you get win or loser frame, you'll lose motivation to bet properly

[tropic summit]

there is several former CA champions in there, you're one of those anyway

[upper grove]

I failed too many times by just 1 wrong cheer when it was basically 50-50s so I don't bother

[swift mango]

Nah I still bet kinda properly for credit.

[swift mango]

You improve yourselves with each fail cheer.

[hybrid fox]

help

[covert lintel]

I only see team 1 and 2 then decide who will win

[hybrid fox]

nevermind the dude got hit

[swift mango]

I was literally moving to 2nd image when you nuked it.

[hybrid fox]

I fought

and then crashed, again

do u uhh still want it I can dm u

[swift mango]

Your second run coming soon.

[swift mango]

It's fine

[hybrid fox]

OMGGGGGGGGGGG THAT ZIZ EMOJI IS SO CUTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[tropic summit]

he's about to go through several matches of win-optimized teams though

[umbral crown]

With all C7 units i was thinking i would lose but C7 are not an issue anymore just need to have the right comp with the investment to send peoppe back to sp

[umbral crown]

Against kiki i got countered team 1 and 2, now need to ope for the rest of the teams to make it to top 4

[tropic summit]

unlike you i've some real life sometimes to take care of... namely workin'

[tropic summit]

can you get these units dolls R15 into SR5 dolls + at least 4/4/4 ?

your utilities are very low invest

trina is not even in synchro

[empty imp]

sure i'll build them

i think i got trina 4 days ago

[tropic summit]

use these teams until those units are ready

[empty imp]

now this is pain...

[tropic summit]

ye i figured

hit the chat again once ur utility are up to not kill your CP

you can use the above until then

[empty imp]

thank you so much

[strong hull]

Nope they still alive

[tropic summit]

T1 needs 969k
T2 needs 951k
T3 needs 904k but can be ran in deficit

for starters, see if you can make a team that goes to 971k, the T3 can be then tailored

if you cannot, then give up for now

[shell hazel]

who wins?

[gritty ridge]

Shift up

[glad glade]

@umbral belfry lmaoooo I was crushed. A perfect sweep

[gritty ridge]

Left, left(sketchy), I wanna say left, right, left

[swift mango]

Yeah, barely alive with many series unlived.

[swift mango]

I have no complaints here.

[swift mango]

You can do it.

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

the problem with your current box is that your utilities are pretty low on invest and will tank CP, on the other hand your invested units are all slow on burst gen instead, which results in vulnerable teams

this should add SG pressure, fast nuke + stun, generic 3RL heavy nuke, while keeping a somewat balanced high CP, a team is also promoted to natural 2RL

[umbral belfry]

bullied lost your 9 lives

[tropic summit]

lastly rise CP when you can afford to on these marked

[glad glade]

With my investments, it was an expected outcome

[umbral belfry]

at least you made it farther than me

[glad glade]

True true, though that was because of dumb luck lmaoo

[umbral belfry]

midhara

but my unionmate avenged me so all is well

[glad glade]

Justice has been delivered

[swift mango]

[glad glade]

I might skip out on the next CA thou

I got knocked down to 5 and I can’t get my 3rd place back because I’m CP walled. I’m slowly figuring out how to break his comp thou

[umbral belfry]

noooo

fight back!!!!

[swift mango]

[wind kelp]

YEah definetaly not there yet, my top team would be somewhere around 900k even, and that's with Alice being 225k of it 😄 Just gotta beef up more!

[glad glade]

I did. Spent 400 gems yesterday because I found out that he’s breakable. Its unironically a fun puzzle

[umbral belfry]

prolly would be smarter to aim for 4 for the sake of CA though

[swift mango]

Post his team here and @tropic summit

[umbral belfry]

[glad glade]

They’re breakable. Very breakable. I’m just very weak

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

haha you think? 😄

any more opinions on my next match? it's just same comps but re-arranged a bit and diff investments
#pvp-arena message

bigboi thinks I win but the crowd says no

[gentle mason]

Thanks for the write up, look like this line up would make it much more easier to invest in for now

[shell hazel]

[gritty ridge]

Its mainly the level dif

And they're a previous champ

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[umbral belfry]

so is hippo

he's just not wearing frame

[shell hazel]

but I am also I just don't like the frame with Naga 😄

it may be hard to call actual winner due to similar comps and counter comps used - I'm going for loser frame (3/3 so far) but I suppose if I bet against myself and I win then the streak continues

and if I lose then I get some credit boxes

[swift mango]

On the bright side, I won the top 32 cheer and last season champ cheer with your percent. And lose the top 64 fight with the right guy percent.

[gritty ridge]

Its the frame that the masses look at

[shell hazel]

this is true, it was fun baiting people with the new face banner and no frame before

@tropic summit any particular insights on my next set?

1/2 just swapped as is 4/5 and 3 is sg vs sg

[umbral belfry]

I remember when I had the clear 5-0 victory + champ frame vs a super bad team but higher level. guess who they voted for

[shell hazel]

think a lot just look at level as well and it can snowball

once someone has 80% + then everyone just votes that

[glad glade]

Gotta love the unwashed masses

[umbral belfry]

they don't believe in fresh 🐣 in the toddler bracket

[shell hazel]

my matches - god my scar murdered their t1 even with noise burst
sg comp I killed rapunzel twice ros didn't remove the res
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6whFqyMBwaI

my scar went super low hp though :9

posted the matches above it's t3

[tropic summit]

ban for 2 hours speedrun any%

[swift mango]

I'm using legal emoji of discord.

[shell hazel]

i'm building pve, wtf is wrong with me, pretty happy with the 2nd ol I had on mast

[shell hazel]

atk line 3 and ammo will do for now

[gritty ridge]

Hippo do you happen to have the miranda

[shell hazel]

the miranda? the original one?

[gritty ridge]

Yeah

[gritty ridge]

Could I see the champ frame with her pls👉👈

I wanna make sure it looks good

[shell hazel]

ofc good sir

[shell hazel]

sopa ver

[gritty ridge]

What we could've had

[cunning crown]

hands you cores

[gritty ridge]

The coop menace

[cunning crown]

I didn't even pull her until after the maids' banner too

[shell hazel]

I dunno man lol

I think this one works best with like white/blue colours

poli ver

[cunning crown]

alt ein one goes hard

[shell hazel]

yeah it really does

i'll stop now haha, you guys get the idea :p

[shell hazel]

takes cores

I pulled her like once and got her MLB on random stuff since, pretty happy there most of the time anyway

she can sit in the wishlist long term

[swift mango]

@mystic rain Aha might be able make it so I had to vote for old bracket mate.

Most of these new high level people doesn't have as good teams as us smol brackets guys but either luck or just research gap us or both.

@worldly osprey

---

Bro losing his C1 because he decided to hit me many times to c7.

I left him with C1 yesterday and he decided I was weak.

[mystic rain]

my GOAT 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

i think i lose top 8 this time as well tho

and just when umbra got knocked out at top 16

man i really need cindy and lapT to finish my champs roster

sbs is trash b3 dps for pvp honsetly and i need more batteries

[swift mango]

:worrypat:

[worldly osprey]

yeah, but being out-cored makes the counter team lose anyway

[swift mango]

If it's actually counter match then the counter would win. Like Rosa SG vs biscuit.

[worldly osprey]

my scar died to shotgun team’s auto attacks before rossan could use burst

[worldly osprey]

like my noah block cindy nuke but my sanis and noah still lose noah cindy

[swift mango]

Well it's not actually counter. It's just small advantage.

So investment intensive case

[shell hazel]

blood I need purple RL dolls on solo raid reset please bless me

[swift mango]

Like how 99% people copying Keripo's Noise+Trina+Cindy would lose 99% the time to scarlet. Because they aren't Keripo.

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

@dim escarp you make it into top 8?

[dim escarp]

nope lost last matches x)

[shell hazel]

[worldly osprey]

well that was the first time my sanis noah team lost to a cindy noah team. sanis has 45% atk, not too much but i thought it would still be enough to take down cindy after noah's block

[shell hazel]

unlucky - I may be going out next round, the crowd thinks so anyway

[swift mango]

Probably because their Cindy has biscuit or lapT when you don't.

[shell hazel]

90% voting for me to yeet 😛

[worldly osprey]

noise noah cindy helmt and anis. noah noise cindy were too tanky and cindy had stronge normal atk dmg so yeah im lose core diff

[swift mango]

Well yeah, that happens. Their helmT probably very strong too. I basically lost in top 64, against a 3 bad team and 2 no function teams dude, just because his research level 80-100 above me each and he hit my teams that could be beaten by normal attack. Like my Trina p2 got killed and RH buffed Scarlet couldn't wipe their attacker, not even helmT with my scarlet 3 ele lines.

[shell hazel]

my levels

whales levels

[gritty ridge]

Not even lvl 180 across the board smh

[shell hazel]

I don't whale for materials for research rooms 😛

what did you think of miranda with the frame bigboi?

[swift mango]

#pvp-arena message

@worldly osprey

It was Emi that's not even max doll so it's even worse

[swift mango]

My level and another guy that's not really a whale level.

[shell hazel]

thanks for the blessing blood :d

[shell hazel]

3000 server diff

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

That make SEA only had 3000 servers from month 2 until 1 year 3 month later. #deathserverfr

[shell hazel]

should have played global like the rest of us :9

Bay SR-10 I dare not look at the attempts lol

@tropic summit bayonara time

[wind kelp]

Team 1 is a win, team 2 a million cp redh hood no go, but what to do with team 3? This is our 3rd in the group, so, might as well poke a bit 😄

Probably also unbeatable, but if there's a group that would work, could see how far i get.

[shell hazel]

does rapi not blow up the team with the damage share bay at p1?

I don't think that team is that quick, wonder if you can kill rapu with snipers

[swift mango]

I think it was double trigger bug that make Rapipi ignore Bay cover. It should be fixed now, you could test it out if you find a bay in rookie.

[shell hazel]

there's a bay p1 right there I guess, no one in my rookie using bay (also rookie closed for a day)

[worldly osprey]

soda always better rh in scar team

[swift mango]

It doesn't work here because Bay would have Biscuit s2 on. Even on the double bugged days, 0*2=0

[shell hazel]

fair

can we snipe rapu p5?

only b1 so if rapu dies = gg

maybe RH burst, rapu is a supporter right?

[swift mango]

I tried to make a guy did that before with 3 SR teams, it doesn't work.

Not to mention the level gap here.

[shell hazel]

hard to outspeed as well I think

[swift mango]

The left one, just slow Cindy it.

The right one, just Emi it.

[swift mango]

That's team is probably 2.5rl.

Could scar Trina RH it.

Or 2rl Cindy it

[wind kelp]

I don't think i know what those mean teamcomp wise XD

[swift mango]

I think your Cindy burst wasn't blocked in this pic right? The reason you lose probably the 200k CP difference.

[shell hazel]

Ros should be pretty strong there as well, lapT and HelmT would be ros fodder

[swift mango]

The CP gap though

[wind kelp]

I think so, it's been a while since i attempted it, and didn't want to use up a freebie ticket XD

[shell hazel]

the cp gap indeed

[wind kelp]

It's no big btw, i'm happy with where i already got. I can just slap something together and give it a go as well 😄

It's just 5points per hour afterall, and they'd hit back rearl hard.

[swift mango]

Their left side also not 2rl so your scarlet should swing before Noah but not enough to kill Cindy + another B2 I guess

[wind kelp]

Left did work last time, so i just kept it as is. Probably could be better. Also soon hitting 440(or rather 441), so CP boost happening as well 😄

[tropic summit]

what's third team you skipping?

[wind kelp]

Just logged out 😄 It's a 1mil+ cp red hood team, pretty much like the others(the one we skipped on the afk one). But also gve it a go and team 1 is a dice roll, they survived this time with cindy at like 5%. So it's iffy as well.

I'll just keep 4th, protecc that one, and get stronk like kronk over time. Plenty to upgrade afterall, not to mention get that big book of cp% etc done.

Still! Thanks for the brainstorm and help y'all, see if we have another League run soon. Although might only get 5th still, who knows with these XD

[swift mango]

Well, there teams look beat able, if you provide more contest like your box screenshot or Blablalink we could help.

[tropic summit]

box:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177116972593463316/1417524516371959921/mainbox.png?ex=68cacc15&is=68c97a95&hm=acab967adc8a0f789adbf7e3251a5284a32989e3511192871a793bd19e8b551b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1233&height=856

[gritty ridge]

Do i take and fish for line 1 ammo?

[leaden canyon]

This win? also cant attack round 1 because major cp gap

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel

https://tenor.com/view/workaholics-friends-friendship-power-perseverance-gif-12300873

[glad meteor]

Does your vesti even get indom

2 lb diff and sr doll diff

Heavy deficit on t3. It jover

[leaden canyon]

limit break dont matter, the other units are defenders, vesti has more attack

[swift mango]

[glad meteor]

Emilia is attacker

[hollow lagoon]

[gritty ridge]

I turned shotgun dolls into an rl doll

And I have to grab another from selector tmr

[glad glade]

@swift mango @umbral belfry I cracked it. I’m back at 3rd now

Rosa truly is the GOAT

[leaden canyon]

yes and vesti is still linked

[quartz rover]

I think i've unlocked power

dont need no noah now

(would be nice to have) 🙁

[leaden canyon]

Like who else are you worried about taking the link, emilia and vesti are linked

the others are defenders

[glad meteor]

Emilia gets indom

Is what I think

[leaden canyon]

but she doesn't

[quartz rover]

bay

[glad meteor]

So hp is good. Was wondering with core diff and st doll

[quartz rover]

do I steal moran's t9m?

or anis

[umbral belfry]

[glad glade]

It was a fun puzzle but goddamn it was expensive. Costed me 500 gems

[swift mango]

@wind kelp

Scarlet hit Cindy

Cindy hit HelmT.

This is provided your HelmT has more ATK than your Siren. And Scarlet linked. If not, could try swapping Emi and Helm, if Emi had enough ATK and HelmT has that much less AtK.

[leaden canyon]

yeah I HP cube her

[glad meteor]

Deficit is still huge issue. Need like 1.77m ish to avoid deficit

[leaden canyon]

left side looks better

[glad meteor]

Noise on deficit is rip

[quartz rover]

that's a lot of pvp nikke

[glad meteor]

Sounds about right. Suprised right even made it this far

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/elegg-nikke-goddess-of-victory-dance-hat-kid-gif-11131044075675036951

https://tenor.com/view/doro-vapus-dance-goddess-of-victory-nikke-gif-13500786934828871115

[quartz rover]

besti

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/red-hood-little-red-riding-hood-red-riding-hood-goddi-dance-gif-8341739530991880750

Hey I don't need Nitro for RH dance.

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-red-hood-snow-white-gif-16505169346664341755

https://tenor.com/view/cinderella-cinderella-nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-goddes-of-victory-nikke-goddess-of-victory-cinderella-gif-4923375239348759654

[dim sapphire]

1% chance got the worst day if ur scarlet jackal loses to sg

[wise horizon]

Need help here.

[swift mango]

My Scar+Trina+RH lost to normal attack LapT.

My Noah lost to normal attack Drake.

[mystic rain]

x4 ele atk lapt

[swift mango]

Considering it a PvE month 2 account. Very possible.

They also have XMaiden ofc.

And Scarlet so I was not doing so well. Would be different if I was attacker and avoid Drake I guess.

[mystic rain]

wait r u not running noah bisc

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

I ran Noah Bay, but Noah ded in 1 RL so it was not even 2rl so Bay blocking scar.

[quartz rover]

can bay block scarlet?

[swift mango]

Yes. As long as same speed. Bay block scarlet slash

[quartz rover]

wondering if I should treasure and build her

what if you're faster?

was going to try to use bay in defense

[vocal kelp]

@tropic summit

sorry for bother

just for the record, you told me once my vesty is ready this should be my team right?

[tropic summit]

vestiTU not the og vesti

[quartz rover]

oh nooooo

[vocal kelp]

yes I know

[tropic summit]

but ye it's about right

[vocal kelp]

but Im using the image you actually send me :v

[quartz rover]

wait

[tropic summit]

that could put your bay to use

[vocal kelp]

awesome

[quartz rover]

why does vesti build burst faster than tac

[vocal kelp]

Bay best girl

[quartz rover]

is this siren immune

[tropic summit]

T1 punish via scar-jack
T2 skip
T3 punish via 2RL noah bis cindy helmt rumani

[tropic summit]

siren can stun noise but can't stun rumani, although double buff will wipe it on 2RL

[quartz rover]

can double buff even hit 2rl with a siren?

[tropic summit]

that's the thing, either they disable noise with siren and run single buff or run double buff but get noise to burst

[quartz rover]

ah

[vocal kelp]

I got silenced because I tried to say a word with L wtf lol

[tropic summit]

essentially it is nuke resistant but not nuke immune

[quartz rover]

so what if your opponents dont really know pvp well

[tropic summit]

they'll probably screw up

which is the point of that team

[quartz rover]

sweet

i'll try building that then

[vocal kelp]

and so, asumming I dont care about bay, how is the ideal version of that team?

[tropic summit]

vestiTU can benefit from 2RL (nuke immune) or indom 2RL (bypass)

as for helmT can benefit from 2RL to nuke links (jackal teams) while being nuke immune and adding sustain

nuke immune, siren immune (noise taunt priority), lifesteal, sustain

[vocal kelp]

great, thanks

[tropic summit]

nuke immune, nuke, DPS during burst, stall

[vocal kelp]

just wondering, how much time it took you be this much knowledgeable on pvp arena lol?

[tropic summit]

ehhh i've been doing this for around over a year

[vocal kelp]

really?

[tropic summit]

although tbh to get decent at pvp i think it takes around a week

once you got the basics down, it's just using your head with your knowledge and attempting counters, after a while team variation decreases a lot because you're familiar with most important archetypes

[vocal kelp]

damn id been player for a year and im still ass

[tropic summit]

pvp in this game is actually quite simple because SU refuses to add actual proper QoL

in the end it's a mix of 4-5 teams that you rotate over and over to rock paper scissor

attacker should always win, unless you're CP gapped by paying customers

defense will always lose, because it will always get countered

which ultimately leads down to players ratting, sniping or gemming for extra attempts

honestly, nothing remarkable about this game mode

[vocal kelp]

I'm realizing that I should have asked you who to equip first. I just gave Jackal and Noa full gear and a doll.

maybe I should equipped vesti

[tropic summit]

noah temperance
biscuit vigor
vestiTU any high lvl cube
helmT same as vestiTU, can consider resil
rumani temperance

as for priority wise, you'll want first your B3 then your utilities and batteries

all utilities ideally SR5 4OL, 4/4/4

B3s generally want to aim for recommended stats, 4OL and SR15

[vocal kelp]

oh I didnt need SR15 doll on noa and jackal?

[tropic summit]

prydwen is generally there with recommended skill lvls

[tropic summit]

yeah you do, just less priority than your B3

[vocal kelp]

oh ok

well at least they are geared now

[tropic summit]

yep

you had to get them to SR15 regardless so don't worry

[gritty ridge]

Hey rail, why vigor on blanc and bisc btw

Ive always wondered that

[tropic summit]

increase max HP leads to better healing

also spares a temperance from being used while somewat serving same purpose

[gritty ridge]

I see

After this next union raid I get to upgrade quantum

[tropic summit]

lvl 7 is enough, any higher lvl for extra slots if you happen to need them

[gritty ridge]

I have lvl 6 temper rn

Getting that to 7 before working on quantum

[tropic summit]

sounds good

[vocal kelp]

same lol

[gritty ridge]

Btw rumani before centi right?

[tropic summit]

depends what you need, you need a B1 or you need a B2

rumani does enable a very useful 2RL team so i'd argue you'd want her first

[gritty ridge]

I need burst gen

[tropic summit]

then both

[gritty ridge]

Yeah but i need priorities, it takes time to overload units

[covert lintel]

Assist cube is better than vigor

[tropic summit]

gym grill or nerd grill, pick on that basis

[gritty ridge]

Im finishing blanc tmr then working on trina

[covert lintel]

Especially for p1 nikke

[tropic summit]

yeah then it doesn't trigger cuz you get nuked on 40%HP+

[vocal kelp]

right now im working on Noir, I think I'll start Vesti or Trina Next

[gritty ridge]

Why noir?

[vocal kelp]

because shes on one of the teams rail reccomend me lol

[covert lintel]

Sr15 nikke won't get nuked easily

[tropic summit]

beware that noir is more of a flex option, i've marked them down for you to know

[vocal kelp]

oh

so those on reds are "proxys" to say something

[gritty ridge]

Im doing trina>rumani>centi>vesti>rosanna

[tropic summit]

ye you can see it that way

[vocal kelp]

just temporary units

I see

[tropic summit]

since they just happen to have high CP and can be used as burst gen options or flex to cover a role

to make it easier for you to know which is core and which is optional

core
noise,jackal,vestiTU,rumani,xmaiden,s.anis,helmt,cindy,siren,scarlet,sbs,rh,blanc,noah,bay,biscuit,trina
(laplaceT, rosanna, moran)

optional
drakeT, noir, anchorIM, RRH, naga, mari, bsoda

highly suggest starting with jackal, noise, trina, biscuit, noah, blanc and any of the B3 above that are not fully built

[vocal kelp]

my blanc is already equipped

[tropic summit]

your main B3s are likely going to be scarlet, s.anis, vestiTU, cindy and situationally RH, xmaiden, SBS, RRH

helmT can also be main B3 or just serve battery purpose, again situationally

investing in any of the core units above regardless won't be a waste

[vocal kelp]

you had no idea how much im taking notes

[vocal kelp]

I event too screenshot to this

since today youre Rail-sensei to me

[gritty ridge]

Rail is always rail sensei

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gintama-gintoki-profesor-gif-26580284

[gritty ridge]

Papa rail

[tropic summit]

i'm not your daddy, son

[gritty ridge]

Not my daddy but youre my papa

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

@swift mango to think your 🫃 would come true one day

[gritty ridge]

Whos the dad

[tropic summit]

i've a pole so i can't be your mommy if anything

[gritty ridge]

Im thinking dad might be @umbral belfry

[tropic summit]

ye hime is definitely a top

[gritty ridge]

🫃

[swift mango]

You are his mama.

[vocal kelp]

ok then, nvm Noir then, and blanc its equipped already, so Ill work on Noise and VestTU next

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/oshi-no-ko-onk-cute-hug-anime-hug-gif-13095603780133436319

[gritty ridge]

Is hippo my brother or my uncle

[crystal flicker]

Rail likes femdoom

[tropic summit]

situationally maybe

[gritty ridge]

Who doesnt

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/ladies-and-gentleman-we-got-him-gif-12313683

[gritty ridge]

Miranda, bready, and nihilister are my favorite nikke

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-dragon-donkeys-wife-gif-7625419

[gritty ridge]

Why do you think im a personal trainer, gotta get a wife who's strong enough to lift a car

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/enen-no-shouboutai-oze-maki-anime-fire-force-anime-girl-gif-21117100

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[gritty ridge]

Bro maki is so bad

[tropic summit]

how do you wanna die?

[gritty ridge]

Between her thighs ofc

[tropic summit]

she can probably bend you in half

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/pesado-dios-mio-stressed-problematic-oh-no-gif-12622815322168322147

[vapid lake]

@tropic summit shiftup quality https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946720097031045161/1417652701340106924/dogshit_hitboxes.mp4?ex=68cb4376&is=68c9f1f6&hm=684e112c1c7b56188eb57d20ba46c829c51b720e2867f62b9eea29d94e6e5378&

[digital rivet]

would either/both my teams win here?

[gritty ridge]

T1 yes, t2 maybe

I think you're good

[digital rivet]

gonna send it and see what happens

[mystic rain]

u will DIE

[gritty ridge]

[mystic rain]

is ur vesti even linked to jackal

[gritty ridge]

Vesti might even kill siren before burst

[mystic rain]

also if ur trina dies early to drake u lose speed

[drowsy bridge]

Hi everyone - I have another champion arena matchup questions. I’m thinking Kira will win because of the high power level and siren over Mast. Opinions?

[digital rivet]

can throw it in union, but i'm pretty sure my vest is linked

[mystic rain]

just check if vesti atk stat is higher than lap and helm

kinda worrying since ur helm and lap have dupes and ur vesti has none which is why i asked

[mystic rain]

holy sht scar trina mast

[digital rivet]

yeah you right laplace does get it

[drowsy bridge]

Wait is mast good for PvP? Never seen her used in champ

[mystic rain]

yea u need to fix that

otherwise ur vesti p1 would just die

[mystic rain]

new tech ive only heard abt

but heard its good

mainly for champs only as well

[digital rivet]

forgot I had a biscuit lying around

that should guarantee t1 right?

[mystic rain]

check speed

[digital rivet]

2.5 for me and 3 for enemy

[gritty ridge]

If ur vesti is stronk siren will go bye bye

Whats her lines

[mystic rain]

ah if ur still fast then it whatev

also check if ur vesti has lower hp than helm and biscuit

should be lower tho

[digital rivet]

she does have lower hp

[mystic rain]

1 ele no atk

[digital rivet]

yeah her lines aren't optimized. haven't thrown rocks at her yet

[mystic rain]

hmmm idk if that would be enough to kill siren preburst

well u could always just see for urself

[digital rivet]

I am worried about t2 though

what's the go to scarlet/trina counter?

[mystic rain]

noise noah

[digital rivet]

well shit

and that comp should feed jackal the least right?

[mystic rain]

well feed or not theyre still 2RL

2.5 probably cuz of drake but feed should make it 2

[digital rivet]

yeah burst calc has it at 2.5 without the feed

[mystic rain]

main issue is drake killing ur trina early

and trina is a lot of ur speed

but since ur not at deficit u should be fine

as long as noise can b1 before scar nuke u should tank it

[gritty ridge]

Noise tanking double buff scar?

[digital rivet]

funnily enough my t2 slaughtered his t2

my vesti got stunned on t1 and it all went to shit

[gritty ridge]

Yeah you need 4 atk 2 ele on vesti

[mystic rain]

did vesti get indom or nah

[digital rivet]

yeah she got indom

[mystic rain]

and she still lost?

[digital rivet]

she didn't get to burst because of stun and then everyone else died

[mystic rain]

ah

lmao helm burst

can ur jackal tank siren stun

if ur 2RL blanc ur b1 should be faster than siren stun timing

[digital rivet]

what exactly are the specifications for siren stun?

[mystic rain]

then stun comes after b1 which would still be safe

2.5RL timing roughly

[digital rivet]

like what makes her stun a specific target?

[mystic rain]

she shoots 50 bullets

ah so with biscuit ur jus a lil bit shy from dodging it

[digital rivet]

yeah the target has to be in bubble status, but i'm not sure what makes someone go into that status

[mystic rain]

take out biscuit swap trina instead

put biscuit in the other team instead

[digital rivet]

I ended up just sending it on his 3rd team since it looked fine and I won 2/3

[mystic rain]

team 2 should be noise noah sbs biscuit rumani

[digital rivet]

siren stunned his sbs and his team fell apart

[mystic rain]

jackal team would be jackal vesti helm blanc trina

oh whatever then

[digital rivet]

I do appreciate the help though. i'm trying to understand what units do what and how to use them properly. i'm only a couple days in pvp rn

[mystic rain]

u can check pins for speed calculators

and see if ur team fast or slow enough

[digital rivet]

using the excel sheet calc rn. I like it

https://nikke.work/ is confusing though

[mystic rain]

its like the most straightforward and detailed lmao

[umbral crown]

[mystic rain]

cuz u can see ur exact timings its nice

[digital rivet]

idk maybe it's an information overload type of thing for a new person

[drowsy bridge]

What does everyone think about this match up:

Both unusual to some extent

[umbral crown]

Whos attackinf

[mystic rain]

L

[drowsy bridge]

It’s champ arena

[crystal flicker]

Another lose in CA

[mystic rain]

wait R

L loses

[crystal flicker]

I started to feel that I need to get Stall dupe as they keep facing fully invested Cindy

[mystic rain]

just from raw investment diff

[umbral crown]

I know

When cheering, left is attacking and right is defending

[drowsy bridge]

Does attacking and defending matter in the end? Honest question

[crystal flicker]

It does

[umbral crown]

Of course

[drowsy bridge]

Ohh

Kira is attacking and Jin is defending

[umbral crown]

That way you know the pattern of certains units like SGs, i defending SGs gonna attack P5 and if attackin theybgonna attack P1

[crystal flicker]

For example Defending SG vs Scarlet-Non-Jackal will win most of the time, but they'll easily lose as attacker

[umbral crown]

Then jincho wins, 89k pepper not gonna do much

[drowsy bridge]

Oh wow I had no idea

[mystic rain]

moran isnt even sr15 i doubt that guy has proper invest

[umbral crown]

Kira has no way to defend bursting with centi

[mystic rain]

blanc debuff counters moran stallas well

[drowsy bridge]

Damn then based on my calculations it will come down to the last match which is a toss up

[wise horizon]

So my teams are good to go

[uncut crown]

Is Summer Anis NECESSARY for pvp?

[quartz rover]

She's necessary for everything tbh

You don't wanna give up a chance to not have her for a whole year

[umbral belfry]

pve? yes
pvp? she has less use but is usable. but i wouldn't say she's necessary

but if you don't have any better meta b3 then i'd lean more yes

[uncut crown]

It’s probably cope but I will use that justification to skip her. I don’t want her that bad, don’t want to get burnt on winter, and I already got extremely lucky mlbing bunny ade in 30 recruits.

[umbral belfry]

i strongly recommend you get her nonetheless, esp bc she likely won't come back (if ever) again. and she's still very good on electric-weak maps

but ofc it's your choice. just my suggestion

and if you're thinking about winter, another rerun (xmain - electric) also works great with sanis

they're basically always used together for pve. pvp they can be as well

[mystic rain]

just get her now since shes limited unit afterall

[uncut crown]

I will think about it, but the last thing I want to happen is I spend my tickets, don’t pull her, and then winter unit is something I really, really want. I will seriously consider it, but I think I have around 50 tickets yet I refuse to use gems to pull since I started (yes the last part is just I hate the idea of being broke).

[umbral belfry]

yeah i understand that

[digital rivet]

how many gems do you have if you haven't used any?

[umbral belfry]

may the rng gods bless you if you do decide to roll her

[mystic rain]

she has use in raid meta electric teams and is still great for pvp

[uncut crown]

It is incredibly ironic I am playing this game when I am the most risk averse person ever lol. Also, the rng was already nice to me with bunny ade.

[umbral belfry]

[uncut crown]

I will think about it, but I am leaning toward skip just because I already got super lucky once this month…

[umbral belfry]

if that's what makes you happy

[swift mango]

According to Nikke.work.

You need 5% to make Vesti 2nd shot hit at exactly 2rl.

And you need 21% to make Vesti 3rd shot hit exactly at 2rl.

[umbral belfry]

21%

[mystic rain]

its the same as sbs cs bs

[swift mango]

So I guess Vesti 11% won't make any difference here

[mystic rain]

XDDDD

[digital rivet]

so you're telling me my 19% vesti has a chance?

[covert lintel]

how about 20?

[swift mango]

Well, you Essentially waste CS on all units if you get to 2rl with Vesti 3rd shot at 21% CS.

Noah P1 won't dodge siren for example.

[mystic rain]

21 is next frame threshold iirc

[swift mango]

I tried checking and saw that you needed 15% CS on Vesti for 2rl team with her 2nd shot to have Noah ignore Siren

The 11.5% for Nikke.deck at 2rl gen for Vesti is wrong according to Nikke.work btw, need at least 5% CS on Vesti for that to happen.

[gritty ridge]

Hey you

[swift mango]

So if I were to trust Nikke.work instead of Nikke.deck. Break point for CS for Vesti would be

5% > 15% > 21% I guess. I could have just keep my Vesti at 5%

[umbral belfry]

me in bed rn, reading that

[gritty ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-margin-awake-marginskyrim-gif-20155428

Hime you promised

[umbral belfry]

dm me your roster bc i'm p sure i'm about to pass out 😭 at least you dming me leaves the notification so i remember

bc my meemaw memory 👵

[gritty ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-world-palico-food-gif-19939521

[keen vapor]

So, 21 speeds up?

[keen vapor]

Keep at 5% interesting

[umbral crown]

Me with 17

[placid bloom]

if you need her rocket to land for burst gen, only 5% and 21% matters. There is no breakpoint in between.
5% on a 0cs team lets her land 2nd rocket at 2RL, 21% lets her land 3rd rocket at 2RL.
4% on a 15% cs team lets her land 1st rocket at 1.7RL, 21% lets her land 2nd rocket at 1.7RL.

any cs in between those 2 breakpoint is only for kill speed

whether it's pre-burst 4 tap or faster 2nd volley

I guess technically there is a breakpoint at 7% that lets you land 1st rocket at 1.6RL on a 20% cs team but that's not realistic for most people

[spiral onyx]

Damn my Cindy team is fast

[dim sapphire]

Random flex

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/dHqKh0gbnH8?si=5L3S4JX6us3eaBJO

[umbral crown]

strong

[short moon]

What was the chart for pvp OL lines

[oblique magnet]

luck is such a huge element to CA, lol. i've had the same team in the same order for the last 4 rounds ~ got immediately knocked out twice, advanced once, then top 16, lol.

[crystal flicker]

CS 18% for RL Batteries (with some exception)

[crystal flicker]

It is, my Stall comp sometimes lose to Cindy comp or Crit comp which just RNG

[daring gust]

@swift mango after change roster cp gap is king of sp arena

[upper harbor]

I lost this round and wasnt able to catch the replay. I can assume it was some sort of brawl that failed or the Cindy burst after my Noah invun. Should I try and use a slower/faster burst or opt for a Vesti team? Sort of similar to the other comps I had questions on before, but this guy uses Rumani instead of Helm. Appreciate the ideas guys.

[tropic summit]

partially, your counter to enemy scar-jack is too slow

consider SBS instead, as you've noise B1 she should survive enemy rosanna as long as she's invested and has SR doll, you can run temperance to be safe

[muted stag]

help pls

[shell hazel]

I was curious as well. 21% CS to land 3 shots at 2RL exactly

I think work is more accurate here

15% means your 3rd shot will always land slightly after

[swift mango]

There is no such thing as 7% or 20% break point in nikke.work where did you get that from?

[shell hazel]

where the CS can matter I think is the ongoing shots during burst, especially if you want to max shots fired during indom

[fathom rock]

I'm supposed to get 21?

I only have 15

[shell hazel]

I don't think it's that necessary tbh

you lose damage to increase speed this way

[glad meteor]

Tempted to roll ele. But also want to give up rolling her

[swift mango]

15% should be able to net you an extra 4 shots during 2rl indom, moving from 16 ammo to 20 ammo used. I guess that's enough of a break point. And make her 2nd shot hit at 11% CS normal RL, helping 2rl Noah not stunned by Siren.

[fathom rock]

I can't even get a mag of 20

Thanks

[shell hazel]

bastion can extend the mag

[hollow lagoon]

I have mag of 20 but I have like 1 ele and 1 atk

[shell hazel]

even with 5% CS you're landing all 4 initial rockets in before Noah can b2

[hollow lagoon]

Oh wait do I have 20 or 16

Thinking hard don’t wanna think

[shell hazel]

valid

[hollow lagoon]

I think I lost a 12 hour credit crate post update….

Or did I ate it by accident

[shell hazel]

I haven't lost any crates

[wind kelp]

I'll give it a go if i still have a ticket at the end of day 😄 Thankies!

[swift mango]

That's is Noah in a team without charge speed.

[swift mango]

They won because they have biscuit and you didnt

[shell hazel]

true but they can't get that much faster, if you add 15% cs to everyone then 10% CS still lands all 4 vesti shots when noah b2

[upper harbor]

I gave it another go swapping a burst gen with a slightly lower one. They seem to burst just as my invun ends. Does that mean I just gotta go slower with Cindy?

[shell hazel]

i'm confused why you're letting them stun your noise as well

[glad meteor]

Siren is making them burst slower

[upper harbor]

Yeah the noise b1 is ideal to get, I dunno if siren would die before her stun

[glad meteor]

When they had helmt they had enough to be 3rl

[upper harbor]

If I swapped the p1 and p2 positions

[glad meteor]

Do you have vesti invested?

[shell hazel]

also just run vesti god comp into it

better than cindy into noah

[swift mango]

This is not after your Noah end, their Cindy burst was perfectly blocked. Your whole team got killed by normal attack after Noah ended.

[glad meteor]

Their noah is stunned. Problem is Noah burst too early because of siren stun

[upper harbor]

My Vesti is alright, 20k less than Cindy

[shell hazel]

they also have cindy at p2 which speeds you up

which units can't we use because they're busy beating one of the other teams?

[swift mango]

It's just biscuit keeping Rumani and Noah survive. Common Cindy counter.

[upper harbor]

Im just using a scarl 2rl for the other win

So no trina, centi or helm

[shell hazel]

jackal?

[upper harbor]

Yeah I got jackal free

[upper harbor]

I was thinking of trying this

[glad meteor]

No. It’s fine if noah is timed at same rl

Siren will make them burst slower

[glad meteor]

Better to match rl

[upper harbor]

This is my sacrifice team

[tropic summit]

T1 skip
T2 noah bis cind helmt rumani
T3 scar trina rh centi jackal or scar blanc rh centi jackal

doublecheck CP then submit

[shell hazel]

I'd probably run that we still stun their noah then and similar RL

[glad meteor]

Hows this. Should be 3rl vs 3rl?

[shell hazel]

also should work

but noise getting stunned

[upper harbor]

I am using rapunzel for Scarlet

[glad meteor]

Rapun is replaceable. one sec

Moran?

[upper harbor]

No sorry.

Building Rosa and Moran atm

[tropic summit]

just scar jack this shit on double buff, you've enemy cindy in p2

flex scarlet trina rh jackal

flex any unit that does not die in 2RL and can be safely skipped (b2 or b3)

if you know the stun is guaranteed on 2RL just use a flex B2 or B3 that you can get stunned

e.g.: alice / SBS / laplaceT / drakeT

[swift mango]

Their Noah somehow half blocked 5/10 of the opposite Cindy burst... It's weird because it was either block all or doesn't block at all before. Now it looks like Noah being real time.

Anyway, if they didn't stun Noah then they would still lose in the shot out because no Biscuit anyway.

[upper harbor]

These were the initial matchups. I win round 3

[glad meteor]

i feel like you could just use rouge, but its an unconventional pick

[swift mango]

For CP?

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Enemy team is barely is 3rl, siren stun noah is big

[glad meteor]

Just b1 fodder

[upper harbor]

The video I recorded was Rumani instead of jackal. I dont know if the result was the same regarding timing

[tropic summit]

T1 noah biscuit cindy helmt rumani
T2 skip
T3 scar trina centi rapunzel jackal- check CP

[swift mango]

You don't use Biscuit here but you asking us to not use Biscuit to make your team?

[upper harbor]

Anis isn't gonna work. Only recently pivoted to working on my PvP teams last weekXD

[tropic summit]

you don't need helmT on T3 unless you're gapped

if you're gapped can redistribute

assemble the above, post matchup, we check CP and then we can either balance further or submit

[upper harbor]

My biscuit is fine. I just have had luck with K's Cindy build so I stuck with it.

[swift mango]

Just beat their Cindy with the most common counter

Cindy+Blanc+Rapipi/Midhara+Biscuit+Rumani

[tropic summit]

he already confirmed his scarlet is enough for T3

T1 is a no brainer as long as you run anti nuke and defender oriented main B3

box: #pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Yes, and it doesn't use Biscuit at all.

Is he shotting for 3/3 win?

[upper harbor]

I can repost box, if you guys want to cook a SP defence, as my attack is the same as the defence lol.

Ill also post the full matchup video

[tropic summit]

dafuq we cookin' 3/3? then i CBA

all yours

[swift mango]

I mean he didn't allow to use biscuit when his Scarlet team didn't use biscuit at all.

[mystic rain]

someone cook me perfect defense pls ty

[swift mango]

Maybe for CP or it make no sense

[tropic summit]

why shouldn't use biscuit? what logic is that

[upper harbor]

I was using biscuit with my vesti team to protect my p1 spot.

But I havent really worked out my Vesti team.

[tropic summit]

here you go, cannot lose with this

[mystic rain]

insane cook

ill see if it wins my sp

[upper harbor]

@tropic summit Nah not trying for all 3, appreciate your time. I think you guys have given me enough info to go on.

[tropic summit]

sure no problem, go get em

[upper harbor]

@swift mango @glad meteor Cheers guys, appreciate your time 😄

[tropic summit]

@swift mango maybe we should suggest to just make this a regular thing, just give out compensation ahead of each SR

[shell hazel]

may have enough doll mats to SR-15 mast before the SR ends, if I want to do that anyway, got a few units to SR-15

more crates always welcome

blanc/rumani and my sg's (bsoda + noir) need SR-15 for my pvp teams

[upper harbor]

Thank you too Hippos for the input!

[shell hazel]

np, I did less than the others :p

[mystic rain]

sr14 for u

[shell hazel]

mast would be for my pve

I probably have enough there for a reasonable shot at SR-10

[mystic rain]

sr9 for u

[shell hazel]

don't tempt fate 🙁

[mystic rain]

tbf ive only had sr14 happen to me like once

[glad meteor]

Raven laplace

[mystic rain]

ive had 1 blue from sr10-15 like twice now

[glad meteor]

For me

[mystic rain]

jesus christ

[glad meteor]

I think sdoro too

[upper harbor]

That's when you leave it for another day.

[glad meteor]

but i hav no patience

Me when i get 0 ssr in 20 pulls and tell myself ill stop pulling when i get ssr. And all of a sudden all my gems are gone

[upper harbor]

Haha, yeah Ill usually 10 pull social first if no SSR its a bad day to pull 😛

Build up that luck stat

[mystic rain]

opposite for me

[upper harbor]

Also 100% pull day if the mid quality mold gives an SSR

[mystic rain]

if i pull gold on social pull i woudlnt pull for the week

cuz then all my luck went to social banner instead

need to recharge it for the actual banner

[placid bloom]

just saying if we only consider burst gen, you can get to 1.6RL with only 7cs on Vesti if the rest of your team is 20cs. Not a very likely situation though.

any other % between 5% and 21% only matters for kill speed, getting extra volley during indom assumes they are not dying to 4 volleys

[dire marlin]

yo guys idk anything abt arena i just know i have some units good for it (beach anis, vesti:tu, jackal, sbs) what kinda team shud i make

[shell hazel]

7% is the same as 5% afaik, may as well 5% or 8%

if you set that to 5/6/7 should have the same speed on vesti

I worked out I need 966 hours of core dust and 720 hours of bd to hit 401

well less a bit as I have some towards 389

[covert lintel]

How is rosanna there?

Ah, buff removal
I thought that was rosanna burst

[quartz rover]

can someone help me update my spa def

I refuse to let this guy take my spot

noise or rumani for last r rl

[placid bloom]

5% is with only other RLs, I got 7% when I was checking HelmT but with a team that fast usually Vesti isn't even factored into the burst gen

also Idk what kind of god rolls you need to have 15% cs Vesti and still have enough ammo to have 20 shots for full indom duration so I think that build is even more unrealistic

[quartz rover]

this is my current defense

pretty sure bro is running siren and has a noah

[swift mango]

Not really kill speed, at 15%, she is basically 11% CS RL for 2nd shot. 11% mean Noah ignores Siren. However useful or useless it is.

[placid bloom]

yeah but you already get 2 rocket at 5cs on 11cs team

so it's only for kill speed

[quartz rover]

this is my box

got bay yesterday and trying to treasure her

[shell hazel]

I don't think noah can dodge the stun

[swift mango]

5CS and her second shoot hit at exactly 0% CS 2rl.

Meaning it doesn't help Noah ignore Siren. If that shot makes the team 2rl.

Did anything I said you understand?

[shell hazel]

if you put keripo team into nikke.work it didn't seem to

[placid bloom]

oh I meant 1st rocket at 5cs

[swift mango]

His team isn't even 2rl.

[placid bloom]

I guess 11 cs need only 15%, but if your team is 15cs you don't have new breakpoint until 21% again

but maybe 11cs is more standard than 15cs

[quartz rover]

wtf am I gonna do with all these sr sniper dolls

[placid bloom]

cuz 15cs is only for rich people with lucky rocks

[shell hazel]

3 purple dolls makes any selector but I'd wait until you have more spares

[covert lintel]

Equip it onto milk

[quartz rover]

I suppose I have time to get good sr nikke that I didnt already doll

[covert lintel]

You have eunhwa
Sr15 her

[quartz rover]

I can't

I have no cases!

[swift mango]

Put them on Rouge and Alice and Milk and ....

[shell hazel]

💳

[quartz rover]

can you even buy cases

[shell hazel]

you can probably buy anything

[placid bloom]

wait 15 cs Vesti doesn't even dodge Mermaid stun on Noah you need 18%

[quartz rover]

can someone help me make a better defense for spa?

I imagine they're just biscuit locking and noahing my teams, or just stunning team 2 ein

[covert lintel]

EunhwaTU can do pvp
Just full invest her

[quartz rover]

why u lying to me

[shell hazel]

add quantum to jackal etc?

[placid bloom]

nvm it's cuz I was on adjutant for the 2% instead of 3rd cs roll

[shell hazel]

feels like you can take a few frames off by adding quantum anyway

[placid bloom]

I was lazy to change

[shell hazel]

plus no feed calc

[covert lintel]

@swift mango

[quartz rover]

now that I dolled and put a couple OL on my jackal and biscuit I think they wont eat indom

[placid bloom]

I feel like if you're using fast Noah you wouldn't use Jackal though

Jackal is more for indom

[swift mango]

Put 15% Vesti and 11% Trina to Nikke.work you would see their 2nd shot in the same frame. Vesti 2nd even 1-2 frame faster.

[shell hazel]

I run jackal on mine but it's not with helmT for 2Rl

for CA

[placid bloom]

what position your Vesti in, cuz if she is in the back she hits faster

if your Vesti p2 she will be slower

[swift mango]

It work for CA. Especially last CA with Jackal bugged.

You need both Euhwa+Emma to buff Vesti though. They are just whole combo or useless.

[quartz rover]

I think my vesti is bugged, she doesnt have full ol gear

[quartz rover]

I only have vesti and ewha

[placid bloom]

11cs Jackal p1 lands at 136 frame, 15cs Vesti 2nd rocket at p2 lands at 138 frame. Ofc whether 2 frame diff matter is another story

if Vesti p3 then she lands at 136 frame

[quartz rover]

can someone help me swap my teams up for def? I refuse to give up c3 to this guy named after throat boogers

[oblique igloo]

So I'm not the only one with garbage hitboxes then

[swift mango]

Yeah, I was kinda slipping yesterday and misread it.

[quartz rover]

also the whale ports are stupid

I remember being new fighting the whale and not being able to shoot them

[placid bloom]

I still think 15cs and 20 shot is not realistic expectation from most Vesti player

[shell hazel]

you sacrifice dmg/power to do it I think

[placid bloom]

well if you drop ele dmg I guess it's okay

she kinda mid in PvE anyway

other than wave clear

[swift mango]

I mean I could keep the Ele and Crit rate instead of making it ammo and CS. But whatever I guess.

[quartz rover]

can I use bay if she's not treasured?

cause i'm working on it

[shell hazel]

depends where you put her in the positions, does seem to speed up/slow down a frame or two based on that

[placid bloom]

yes, she doesn't need treasure

[shell hazel]

that is same speed

[swift mango]

Yeah, just put Vesti P3-4-5 and it's Gucci.

15% is enough.

Guess I could try to get 1 more CS.

[shell hazel]

weirdly I can't get vesti to show as quicker

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

I don't think we really need the vesti extra CS here still tbh

[placid bloom]

p5 should be faster

[swift mango]

It's fine, same speed is enough

[placid bloom]

nvm need more cs

[shell hazel]

both same frame with vesti at p5 and trina p1

vesti is lower gen in general though, I don't think it's worth gimping her attack stats for more CS

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-hmm-pepehmm-table-council-gif-16396395487368552941

[shell hazel]

in what team comp does the 11% to 15% matter?

[placid bloom]

you might as well just leave at 5cs

[shell hazel]

that is my point yes

stretching for 15% if you don't need it

[swift mango]

I guess.

[quartz rover]

can I run cindy without a noah?

[swift mango]

Also, at 15% CS you could throw in 4 more volley into your 2rl indom, if you had the ammo for that

[placid bloom]

if you have 20cs sure

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/mmhmm-mmhmm-meme-mmhmm-gif-mmhmm-twitch-gif-23291803

[placid bloom]

be the speed of light

[quartz rover]

can I run bay with her

[placid bloom]

not really, Bay is slow and Cinderella is slow

you'd also need to put HelmT on the team

[quartz rover]

I can do that

[placid bloom]

and pray unprotected p1 doesn't die

[quartz rover]

what rl should I aim for with cindy that's noahless

in defense ofc

[swift mango]

I'm so bricked in CA my unprotected p2 died even .

[placid bloom]

[swift mango]

Even with MLB and max doll

[shell hazel]

dodge stun even with 0% cs vesti

I had 11% cs on noah and biscuit and the rest was done already lol

[placid bloom]

well Vesti 2nd shot doesn't really matter for burst gen with that set up

[quartz rover]

this seems too slow

[placid bloom]

if you want to tempering instead of quantum it would matter

[shell hazel]

kind of reinforces my point though you don't need that much CS on vesti

[placid bloom]

but you also don't need tempering with Biscuit

it matters if you want to go no protection

[swift mango]

I guess Work gives more Burst gen than deck.

[quartz rover]

3rl hmmm

[shell hazel]

deck is inaccurate for 2rl vesti I think

same comp has diff burst gen

[quartz rover]

how's this for a defense team

[swift mango]

Same units has diff burst gen even.

Not just vesti

[shell hazel]

it's mostly fine - emi and vesti seem to assume 2RL speed with high CS

[placid bloom]

dead to Trina Scar, Idk how common that is in your bracket

[quartz rover]

btw does vesti need buffers

for example this is super padded and i'm thinking of replacing rrh with vesti

swap alice around I guess

[swift mango]

Not really 2rl, even 25% Emi is a bit slow with her 3rd hit to 2nd. Just like Vesti 3rd hit with 15% CS.

According to work anyway.

[quartz rover]

if I added vesti instead of rrh it goes from 4rl to 3rl

and will be a better burst, no?

[placid bloom]

if your Crown dies you don't burst

[quartz rover]

I have a biscuit that's not used

swap tove?

[placid bloom]

you need B1 too, so your CP pad team is not gonna have CP anymore

[quartz rover]

shit I thought biscuit was b1

doubt the padding helped anyway

[swift mango]

Vesti 11% 3rd hit actually already as fast as Emi 25% 3rd hit.