pvp-arena

[valid inlet]

Not fully built and SR5, but I think it’s ok for the purpose

And SR15 plus OL5, maybe 2 seasons later

[slim mortar]

oh right, brainfart

[valid inlet]

I think Rumani w high cs is useful too, at least I didn’t waste too much rocks to make her 24%

[nimble swan]

yeah i mean her purpose is to die easily

I just gave up on Mihara pvp as I found her unreliable, so my build is full OL SR15 that not easy to kill (using it for pve)

but this cindy cook does well as I see it recently

[lone sequoia]

mihara is a DoT unit, you stall or go with dmg, but both comps need time

[slim mortar]

[nimble swan]

when i was experimenting didn't always everyone get the DoT, sometimes I lost even with RH buffed Mihara

[lone sequoia]

yep, full rng, 10 hits for 5 targets, sometimes for 4 or 6 depending in rosanna S1 or decoy units

[nimble swan]

yeah, I was thinking like there's already enough rng in CA I don't want more

[lone sequoia]

i tried my cheap mihara team, and worked but the 3 fights only hit 4 targets (2 rosanna+1 bad luck) she need dupes to boost her dmg if you don't use units like blanc or other dmg taken

she need the 20 stacks when she die

[swift mango]

Did you checked your 64 guys in your new bracket and only 1 top 8 last season? Who is that guy?

[nimble swan]

Yeah dupes would help for sure. It's just I did very close to 500 pulls on Siren + Mihara banners and I could only get 1 Siren and 0 Mihara So I needed to tix her and bougth another copy for Siren

But I trust in wishlist

[lone sequoia]

not me, i still need near 200 pulls for 1 copy

and my WL is cursed

[nimble swan]

Very sad actually

[crystal flicker]

I spend hundred of pulls, and Mileages for VesTac

Just today I pull her on PvE account, just need 10

[swift mango]

@mystic rain If you see one of these 3;guys then you maybe in baby #5 bracket otherwise you should still be in bracket #4.

These 4 are the 4 champs of the new #5 brackets in SEA

[swift mango]

Better than mine

[mystic rain]

found abandon

[mystic rain]

top8 lost as well lol

oh but actually i also found another top 4 i missed him LMAO

hes still alive

i also found @rich ledge 👋

[mystic rain]

didnt find tuanc or the helm pfp tho

[swift mango]

Okay, I guess you got moved down to 5th bracket while I still in 4th.

[covert lintel]

How to counter vesti

[swift mango]

oh, maybe they not qualified.

[mystic rain]

c5 in spa

oh yea that one guy from ur union

toom? hes in my bracket as well

iirc u fought him before

hes also the whale in my spa for like 4 months now i think

how to beat him pls XDD

[covert lintel]

[mystic rain]

1 mil cp gap XDDD

[swift mango]

The only relevant counter to specifically Vesti I know of is 3rl Noah+flex+Biscuit+flex+Flex, with Noah being the only defender against a vesti blanc.

Otherwise, HelmT lifesteal could win against indom besti. Indom at same speed with Ar, MG, SMG... etc. Against Noah vesti, just Emi it.

Basically, just counter Noah or Blanc and you gucci

[covert lintel]

I think my blanc team get rekt by vesti so my def is breached

Which position safe for blanc so she can burst?

[mystic rain]

i think if its blanc jackal u just lose

need blanc biscuit to protect blanc from vesti aoe

idk how huge vesti aoe is preburst but p1-p2 def not safe for unprotected blanc

[covert lintel]

Ok i'll try p3 then

From my past def, Blanc biscuit is so ez to breach so i won't put that in def

[swift mango]

Max core baby whale.

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

His campaign team has more CP than mine.

[umbral crown]

Is not coolest your union?@covert lintel

[umbral crown]

Indom.Ein wins also

[swift mango]

Indom Vesti and Vesti not P1 also rekt by any 3rl Noah wipe follow by Siren stun.

Siren stun mid of Vesti 3rd big charge is deadly to Vesti.

[quartz rover]

i'm just a fortuneteller

how would I know the dude who is 130 levels lower would win

[swift mango]

Skill issue.

[quartz rover]

correct me if im wrong but this isnt an actual shotgun team right

[swift mango]

Well it could still beat some unprotected team with normal attack I guess.

[quartz rover]

also what happens here

[swift mango]

If Midhara died first then it has a chance

[high stream]

Can I specifically defend against this guy?
He and one other person are the only ones contesting my #10/#9 spot

He keeps beating me, also clearly using gems

[quartz rover]

sir that's me

[high stream]

When i drop him out twice, he spends gems to drop me again

[quartz rover]

i'm kidding

[high stream]

lol, i was shocked for a sec

anyway, i dont wanna spend gems to drop him again

[quartz rover]

try skipping him

[high stream]

i dont think its worse to spend 100 gems per day to maintain that rank

[quartz rover]

he's clearly gonna gem to get it back

[high stream]

cant, really

[quartz rover]

I doubt he's using the same teams to attack, probably has 2 380k or 400k teams

[mystic rain]

i started playing around same time as him btw)))

bro bought 1 year worth of resources

actual insanity

[high stream]

This is my bracket. A few people are like me, 900-950K ..
Then there are like, after the top 20 .. almost everyone is <800K
So the 7 players there with 1M+ power stand out, very likely whaling, very likely pushing pvp specifically
I know that Aimin guy is, he is my rival in tower and such, though i outrank him everywhere, except nikke growth, there he outranks me

[quartz rover]

only took a gold case at 60% 🙁

[high stream]

I dont think he does. If u look at my bracket. Only like 20 players are as strong as me

And only two of those can consistently beat me. The top 7 i dont need to worry about, they are maintaining, no one is contesting them

[swift mango]

I was lucky today and SR5 > 15 Jackal with 180 blue

Best luck I ever got

[high stream]

i thought we come here to ask for specific defenses, no?

like .. im wondering if its possible to specifically defend against this priest guy, assuming this is what he has

i dont think he has much more
Im even betting my pvp is built better than his, he is using way less meta units than me

[swift mango]

You could. @tropic summit

[high stream]

i basically need to defend against 2 people i think to hold top 10

[quartz rover]

could probably make a biscuit team

[high stream]

This is the other guy contesting top 10 against me

[swift mango]

How much CP is your campaign team? Try to build each of your SPA team with CP that are 80% of that or above.

[high stream]

max cp i can force right now is 385K

[mystic rain]

need basically all meta pvp units if u want to fully build 3 defense teams

[high stream]

These 3 ranks basically always look like this. It's Priest, korean guy and me.

right now im not there, cause i just got dropped again, to 16th

[mystic rain]

and all pvp units to be decently invested as well

[swift mango]

Then you should have 300k+ X 3 teams I guess.

[high stream]

well .. i can give u my blabla if u want to have a look

at this point im really, really good mechanically in campaign, deficit pushing today. got top 20 clear on snake today

but my pvp and general knowledge is still very much lacking

im getting better at estimating nikke strength, did decently with the absolute squad

but if u asked me right now how to build X defense against X team .. i wouldnt have squat

[mystic rain]

well yno

first off do u even have all meta pvp units

[high stream]

almost

[mystic rain]

do u have them invested

[high stream]

only ones i dont have are time gated, like SAnis

all that arent, i have

my blabla is fully open https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?uid=MjkwODAtOTEyNjUwNzE3OTQxMTQwMzUwNw%3D%3D&openid=MjkwODAtOTEyNjUwNzE3OTQxMTQwMzUwNw%3D%3D

im not sure asking me line by line is easier

u can see all nikke i have, investments, even resources i have

i dont really care, i made it all public to make it easier

i guess u cant see my boxes and stuff

[mystic rain]

noah trina rumani not built?

those r key units for pvp

[swift mango]

You could screenshot the first 3 page of your box in landscape mode and @tropic summit

[high stream]

i mean .. if u want me to show u stuff piece by piece, i can, but they're all right there

They are all built. No OL, but they have 4 pieces that could be OL

[mystic rain]

by built i mean OL'ed

[high stream]

all my pvp units are 4 4 4 as far as i know

[mystic rain]

and dolled

and investment in skills as well for certain units

[high stream]

i think dolling that many nikke in less than 4 months is objectively impossible

[mystic rain]

r15-sr5 minimum

[high stream]

im already further ahead than likely the vast majority in said timeframe

[mystic rain]

def possible

[quartz rover]

[mystic rain]

i have an alt at 5 months old and dolled till 3rd row

this ones built for solo raid tho so yea

[high stream]

Box

[swift mango]

Start by OL Noah, Jackal, Biscuit. And doll then Sr0 if you don't want to care much about Arena or Confident on your doll upgrade luck. SR5 if you care about it and not confident in your doll luck.

Then Centi, Trina, Scarlet, Rumani, Blanc.

Treasure helm and max her skill 1.

[high stream]

Lol, sorry .. lets start over, I think I'm a lot further ahead than u assume
I have a MLB HelmT that is fully OL and 10 10 10 for example

But my #1 priority is campaign and pushing my current 40% deficit in hm campaign
And whatever the fk my deficit in normal is at this point

PvP is #2 priority

But i watched this for like 3 weeks now and these 2 are the only ones that can beat me

so i thought, it might be a lot more realistic to actually 'force' top 10

get 400 extra gems each season

[mystic rain]

realistic depending on ur investments

[high stream]

Centi is full OL actually

[mystic rain]

but no doll?

[high stream]

Not so far, i have a doll priority list and too little kits to go around, far too little

Cindi and Scarlet are both built

Cindi even is 10 10 10, full OL, doll

[mystic rain]

how bout trina

[high stream]

I focused on core units first for pvp

[swift mango]

Well, it's harder to def than to attack. If your team CP is below 300k they could just CP press your 2 weaker team and done. No further strategy need.

[mystic rain]

cp is king in spa

[high stream]

Trin needs work, but she is further built than noah, rumani and blanc

Scarlet is built

[mystic rain]

how built is scar

[high stream]

But also far from perfect

i feel like im held back my time and rng, there is only so many M-gearpieces u can actually physically farm in x amount of time .. and i broke wall within less than 5 weeks, so i'm farming AI since 3 months

[mystic rain]

centi is higher cp than ur scar btw i wouldnt call that """built""""

[high stream]

well, u tell AI to drop scar helmet and gloves and she'd be built

[mystic rain]

tru

[high stream]

I didnt ask for 4 centi pieces

[mystic rain]

XDD

[swift mango]

Well, if your campaign team is done. You could spare 4 rock for each of your SpA units. (The core units I list before).

Doesn't need to fix their lines. Just OL with the spare mats for CP.

[mystic rain]

if onyl indi would give me 2 more tetra defenders 💢

[high stream]

thats why scar has a doll and is 10 7 10

And centi has no doll and is 4 4 4 i think

[high stream]

noted that down in my sheet

but nothing immediate i can do right now?

[mystic rain]

build noah rumani as well

[high stream]

held back by gear fodder

i cant go further than stage 5 in AI atm

i start doing 1 dmg beyond that

[mystic rain]

for treasure units, laplace is nice for pvp

[high stream]

yeah, tell nikke to give me less RRH copies (3 already, the f###) and 1 more laplace copy

i have her whole treasure and affection lined up since weeks

[mystic rain]

get noise as well if u dont have her

[high stream]

wishlisted, avoiding me

we not on speaking terms atm

she didnt tell me why

[mystic rain]

u could also do moran nero but i dont see rapu

so maybe further down the list

[swift mango]

Yeah it's hard. Maybe I could take a look later. Could @ an MA like @keen vapor @umbral crown

So they could do their jobs.

[high stream]

rapunzel pilgrim?

[mystic rain]

yea

normal one not the alt one

[high stream]

she is very low on my wishlist atm, should i move her up?

[mystic rain]

up to u if ur missing some key pilgrim units still

[high stream]

Pilgrims
Harran was standard banner, i didnt ask for her, she was lower than rapunzel

[keen vapor]

I'm awake

[high stream]

Only grave

[mystic rain]

but if ur gonna full commit pvp rapu is needed

[high stream]

well, let me adjust that

[keen vapor]

Scarlet and Noah are low

[high stream]

low what?

[keen vapor]

I mean, she's used there but not 100% of times

[carmine fable]

Is there anyway fight people around similar combat power in pvp? Everyone is so high in level that it doesn't make sense for me to fight them

[keen vapor]

Low on power

[mystic rain]

he cant even do scar trina or noah biscuit team

2 of the most common pvp teams u see

[keen vapor]

Champion Arena level fixes everyone

But only top 4 of each special arena can go to champion

[carmine fable]

Wow thanks for telling me that!!!

[mystic rain]

if ur returning player after taking a long break might be impossible

[high stream]

u go wave ur finger at the game then

[keen vapor]

what?

[carmine fable]

A few months after Helm

Came back at the release of bready

[mystic rain]

yea ur cooked

[keen vapor]

Oh oh

[carmine fable]

So I'm combat power gated

[high stream]

Lets ignore the obvious stuff .. obviously i know .. OL gear, build units, etc
It's not like im not doing it, its just that im using every bit i have, when i have it and im working down lists that i have/been given .. and campaign obviously took the most resources, thats the sole reason im currently pushing as far as i am there, did 370K cp snake clear today, 364k is the lowest with sbs on record

[mystic rain]

u were inactive by 2 years?

[high stream]

thats why i posted my blabla .. my question was literal ..
can i defend against 'this guy' right now somehow?

obviously, if i OL 6 more units and have 1.2M cp, i can

[carmine fable]

Yeah

[mystic rain]

might be better for u to just reroll if u wanna try out pvp on fair fighting grounds

[high stream]

im asking if i can build certain teams, that make it impossible for him to beat me

unless he builds something to counter me

[carmine fable]

Why reroll? It would match me new players too?

[mystic rain]

yep

[mystic rain]

rn ur "old" account is locked to foredver matchmake with same account creation date players

[keen vapor]

Low fodder for overload

[mystic rain]

so if u really did take a 2 year break thats 2 years worth of resources ur gonna need to farm to even just catch up

basically impossible

even if u whale

[carmine fable]

That's some terrible match making

[mystic rain]

but hey its just pvp u can still play nikke without competing in pvp so not all is lost

pvp isnt required

[shell hazel]

may as well spend some of these if you can

[mystic rain]

its nice for extra gems but thats it

[mystic rain]

the only perfect defense in sp is cp

[high stream]

shop is bought out
shop has been bought out since weeks

[mystic rain]

so unless ur a whale ur asking for the impossible

cuz if no deficit almost all defense teams can be beaten

just need knowledge for it

and u dont just invest on a unit overnight

u build units over time

takes like a week to even fully OL a single unit

doll mats we get once a month

go figure how much u can invest in 1 month

[high stream]

but .. look, the guy has less cp than me, he is growing slower than me too and im f2p
so if u assume that he is also pretty much near the limit of what he can magically pull out of his sleeve
if i build a defense specifically countering his teams, isnt there a high chance that will work?
Like .. correct me if im wrong, but the only way it doesnt if he then builds to counter my counter
But what if he doesnt have the resources?
So .. if i can build a counter right now, with what i have .. to specifically defend against two people that have been growing slower than me since 3 weeks, cause i observed them and watch them .. not a viable strategy?

maybe i just lack the nikke iq/knowledge here

but to me that sounds very logical and rational in principle

[mystic rain]

probably impossible

[high stream]

really?
Welp, i suppose real world logic/calculation doesnt apply to nikke pvp then

[mystic rain]

considering the fact that u dont even have noah rumani trina built in the first place which alreayd means we dont really have a lot of units to work around here with

[sterile matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-movie-9-op-movie-9-episode-of-chopper-episode-of-drum-kingdom-gif-1162977917055939915

[mystic rain]

ur trying to counter one guy whos to say the other will be countered as well?

its not guaranteed

[high stream]

i kinda thought of it in terms of .. i might have fire arrows on hand right now, but it will take him at least 2 weeks to switch from wood shields to metal shields, so i could use that chance advantage to wall him off

unless i dont have fire arrows of course

[shell hazel]

if you want to do better in pvp you need to ol and doll the core pvp units to give you more options

[high stream]

thats why im here asking if i do maybe

[mystic rain]

yea u dont even have the arrows

basically

[shell hazel]

there isn't a magic set of units to invest in, many work in multiple teams

[mystic rain]

ur trying to shoot with an empty gun

[shell hazel]

noah is a core defensive b2

[sterile matrix]

but the master who can teach him how to shoot

[high stream]

i mean, thats obvious. But i also remember being told, that within the cp breakpoint limit, there is certain teams that completely counter others
There is strategy like using blanc on defense to make teams worthless even beyond the cp limit

and its not like the guy is some 1.3M cp whale

[mystic rain]

the master may teach but will the student learn?

[high stream]

he is weaker than me

[keen vapor]

Yes, I'm weaker by 40 levels, and beating someone on PVP

[high stream]

like .. if assume that 2 nikke players have all pvp units at similar investment, 4 4 4, no dolls .. doesnt the one win that has the better team?

[sterile matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-gif-24481897

[high stream]

what am i missing here

[carmine fable]

I want da pvp mats though

[keen vapor]

I don't think I'll be able to beat him when he reaches 45 tho

[shell hazel]

are you building for an opponent you have now or all opponents you'll ever face? I'd go with the latter. Blood already said what to start with, though you can bump up Helm as her pvp and pve utility are both high#pvp-arena message

[mystic rain]

theres no mats in pvp though?

jsut gems

and maybe the arena vouchers but thats usually generous as long as u do ur 5 rookie attempts

[carmine fable]

The arena shop gets me code for level up

[shell hazel]

you can invest in pve core still and just pad your teams out with the odd good pvp unit to make you better than those who do nothing

[high stream]

i lined it out up there, ive been obvserving my bracket for about 3 weeks now .. outside of the top 15, no one can beat me, within the top 15, two people can consistently beat me, priest at least uses gems to compete against me, so i could make the effort not worth the payoff .. he's been growing slower than me .. the only other guy that can beat me is the korean guy

in my head i thought .. here is my blabla, look what i have .. can i build a defense

that counters at least one of them, ideally both

cause maybe im wrong .. but i think he wont be able to adjust, unless he has uninvested units he isnt using

<@&946725432554836008>

This sh*t interrupting valuable nikke pvp convos

tyvm

[mystic rain]

u can build a defense rn since u do have the units for it but the main issue is CP

thats really it

[high stream]

well, i posted my resources as well, there is a bit to work with

2 of his teams seem to be around 270k

[mystic rain]

and we already told u who to invest in

[high stream]

he can only beat 2 of them

so i need to make one of my defense teams not beatable

[shell hazel]

uninvested pvp units will tank your cp

if you get the CP near your pve ones you can use them

[mystic rain]

noah

u have noah but no doll no OL

[shell hazel]

look at my top 2 rows lol

[high stream]

am i really just not getting it?
He has two 270k teams there, no?
I have two 270k teams there, yes?
if i build something that counters him, one of his 270K teams might be not enough anymore

He can only beat TWO of my teams

So I just have to counter ONE of his attack teams

[mystic rain]

yea noah

[sterile matrix]

U can change formation in between rounds in CA ?

[mystic rain]

noah biscuit 3RL team

[placid bloom]

No

[high stream]

can u write me out a full team i can use, so i can see the cp it has and maybe make adjustments

[placid bloom]

Once you submit teams you are done

[shell hazel]

you can't tell what he's attacking with

[mystic rain]

well u can check pins for noah template teams

[shell hazel]

not as such anyway, he could be attacking with anything

[high stream]

i can assume, based on his growth speed and the fact that he is using the same 3 teams since 3 weeks

at this point not sure if im dumb or what im asking requires a lot off work and people dont wanna help

[placid bloom]

The good players will not use the same attack teams as defense

[shell hazel]

you just need to burst quicker to win usually

[high stream]

if its the latter, thats okay, just tell me
im not paying any of u

[mystic rain]

what ur asking does require a lot of work

[shell hazel]

what teams are they running and what speed are they? put them into the deck

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[high stream]

This is vs the priest guy

hold on

[shell hazel]

then you can see what speed you need to work towards

if they're 4RL, work on a 3RL with your pve cp padding

if they're 3RL work on a 2RL or 2.5RL

[high stream]

dumb question, what does the 3rl mean? 3 rocket launcher?

[placid bloom]

3 weeks into the game it’s gonna come down to pull luck tbh

Can’t work on a team when you don’t have the chars

[high stream]

my box is up there, my account is pretty loaded for a 4 months account

[shell hazel]

speed of burst, 1RL is roughly one rocket travel from a common battery like trina/centi

[high stream]

ohh, interesting

[placid bloom]

RL is timing

[shell hazel]

but if it helps - Jackal is the best b1 in pvp

[high stream]

and lower is better?

[shell hazel]

lower is quicker - not always better, but quicker

[placid bloom]

RL shots are the bottleneck for burst gen

[high stream]

that i know

so less rl = better?

[shell hazel]

it's why you need to adjust your teams based on opponent teams

I don't really like to say it's always better - you may actually want a slower team on purpose

[worthy knoll]

I think that is kinda wrong, she isn't best B1 but best battery

[shell hazel]

but against some pve people with no pvp investment? yes 2-3RL will pvp teams should win as long as not cp gapped

[high stream]

oh, i have actually read about that

that certain teams profit from being slower

[shell hazel]

sure, sorry talking from a burst gen/util perspective

[high stream]

so .. if u had to simplify .. if i use deck calculator, put his teams in and my teams in .. and i have less RL than him with same CP or within cp breakpoint range .. i win?

[mystic rain]

matchups are also a thing

[placid bloom]

Usually. There’s some matchup nuances

[high stream]

hmm

[placid bloom]

Like Cinderella’s burst takes time to resolve so it can be caught by slower defensive bursts

[shell hazel]

more or less, have to watch your positioning as well ofc

[placid bloom]

This is something you have to learn with experience

[shell hazel]

you don't want your only b1 at position 1 unprotected f.ex

also watch your matches - don't quick battle them, especially if it's not a common setup you know well

watch/record for viewing after even better if you want to learn a bit

[placid bloom]

There’s also other things like stun skills that can swing a matchup

[high stream]

But if u look at a bracket like this .. how do u build defense?
U cant change defense teams, right?
However, u can freely change ur layout before each attack
This sounds like .. u'd have to build a defense accounting for as much of literally everything as it can
since im fairly new and the people around me are as well .. i feel like defending specifically against certain people based on assumptions about their strength and roster capacity is less of a risk/investment cost

[mystic rain]

yea theres no perfect defense team

the only true defense literally is just cp

[placid bloom]

Your goal is to build a defense that holds the longest. You just have to keep changing it until your battle history has more wins than losses

[shell hazel]

best defence is cp lol

[high stream]

i am watching them, but not gonna lie, beyond the obvious things .. like noah making stuff invincible, blanc being funny, it becomes increasingly less that im actually 'seeing' there. And there genuinely is a lack of accessible good pvp stuff .. there are the obvious, well known guides, i've read through all of them .. but its especially stuf like "okay, so why did this happen then?", "what made this work?", that u dont find answers for

[tight thistle]

[placid bloom]

You will still lose ofc if the attacker isn’t a monkey but you can at least defend against the monkeys

[shell hazel]

in general, against people pushing 1.2M with you at 900K you're on a bit of a back foot

[high stream]

obviously

[shell hazel]

it will make more sense if you put the teams into the burst gen deck

because you can see the speed and the expected burst order then

most stuff targets p1 unless taunted or certain weapon types

[high stream]

so i felt .. since that priest guy is 908k, im 933 and the korean guy is 918 i think .. focusing defense on them would be smartest
Cause no one is gonna beat the current top 8 in this bracket .. there is 3 people capable of competing for #9 and #10 .. im one of them, they are the other 2

[shell hazel]

sgs on defence team will target p5

snipers on attack will target p5

[placid bloom]

If you build generically strong defense teams

[shell hazel]

Helm can snipe highest atk opponent

[placid bloom]

It will hold at least for a while

[high stream]

hmm

[shell hazel]

just build jackal/noah to start with, and helmT

[placid bloom]

At your sync it’s most likely 2 real teams and 1 CP pad

[shell hazel]

jackal links with two highest atk units (post OL so you sometimes need to check this)

so you're way tankier and units on the link give you more burst gen

jackal/noah/helm alone are almost 2RL 😄

[high stream]

im working on them for pvp, yeah. But its a slow process
Specifically for snake, i was forced to fully build Anchor, she is like this now
And even then, 370K clear, vs 364K the lowest possible using anchor/SBS strat
So that massively delays building pvp units

[high stream]

intersting. two highest atk regardless of pos?

[shell hazel]

yes

[high stream]

hmmm

[mystic rain]

haha i beat snake at 377k with no anchor and no sbs

beat that

[high stream]

what did u beat it with

[shell hazel]

so in general you want jackal links at p1/p2/p5

[mystic rain]

rapi mast

[high stream]

cause i just got one of the 20 lowest clears on record

3 lowest clears on record are new and abuse SDoro since her release

[shell hazel]

p1/p5 jackal link protects either side of your team from random target weapons

[high stream]

The 17 next clears use the exact same team .. RRH, Anchor, Crown, SBS, HelmT

[shell hazel]

what chapter is snake? 36?

[high stream]

gotcha

yeah, 36-37 it is i think

[shell hazel]

btw you can do something similar with just a biscuit

biscuit makes defenders immune if they lose hp, so defender p1 + p5 + biscuit at p3/p4 and you have a biscuit wall

[mystic rain]

cant run sbs and pvp players r definitly not building bready/sdoro for water pve bossing

for black snake clears

no anchor as well

[high stream]

lowest clear on record used bready, ironically cause he didnt have sbs, but he also used doro

355k, next two clears are 358 and 359, using exact same team i said up there, but with SDoro in SBS position

Then it jumps to 364k and from there goes in small increments to 370K for the top 20

all using the same team as me

[mystic rain]

investing water dps but ur pvp player 😔

[high stream]

welp, not me

[mystic rain]

tbf if u have anchor snake becomes extremely braindead

and thelm

[high stream]

it does not

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit is this one a lost cause

[keen vapor]

50 level

[high stream]

@mystic rain #questions message
Enjoy

6 seconds and a dream

[placid bloom]

Your Noah is dead to SGs

You have no B2

You can try Biscuit p5 tank

And CP pad

Problem is you need to beat team 1 because team 2 is too far above your CP

[umbral belfry]

dude's trying to get edge of another team mid ca 😭

[placid bloom]

You can change formation from participating to not participating

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

Yeah team 1 should be fine, im just wondering if I can even cp pad enough that p5 wont get oneshot

[shell hazel]

this worked again but biscuit one tapped 😄
cindy rng even though my noah appeared reasonably in time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56pIXcoE30M

[glad meteor]

Noah has a cast time

Prob need cs on vesti maybe

[shell hazel]

she had 13% so not awful, could be improved a bit

also wondering if I bring jackal over, as I don't really need her that much on the scar comp

[glad meteor]

if too much cs 1st rocket hits scar while trina invul

[shell hazel]

moran is immune thanks to trina so I can keep 2RL with rumani there

well into 2RL here

bay tanks my CP a bit though, rumani some also but less than bay does

[glad meteor]

Oh. That other team isn’t 2rl though

[shell hazel]

no it's not, not quite

2.5 ish

[glad meteor]

Yeah

[shell hazel]

I don't necessarily need to be too quick on the other one, as cindy is a bit slower to hit

thinking maybe this so I can keep the noise buff and healing

[sterile matrix]

Who is going to win ?
A little less pixels yikes. I did something wrong ????

L
?
R
R
R

what u guys think ? Who will win Left or Right ?

[shell hazel]

need to check jackal links it's probably noise/biscuit/vesti

[glad meteor]

Was thinking switch noise for rumani tbh in original team and add wuantum for 2rl

[shell hazel]

umm noise/vesti/jackal I mean

[umbral belfry]

right wins, likely wins t2 too due to jackal

[glad meteor]

Absolute cookig

[shell hazel]

I kind of like noise in the anti-cindy team as it's a buffer of sorts

[sterile matrix]

Yeah I thought about it Jackal is kinda op. What u think about the total score MR oracle
Did I do something wrong with nikke deck those RL numbers are kinda low

[mystic rain]

isnt cindy jackal link grief

[umbral belfry]

that's ms oracle to you

and it's likely 1-4

[shell hazel]

I think my moran can live to 2RL easily against the scar comp with trina immunity anyway

[sterile matrix]

ok ms oracle

Let me ask chat gpt

to be sure

[umbral belfry]

the only way left wins t2 is if right helm snipes left helm before she bursts. but even if that happens the bottom 3 are likely right wins

[ocean temple]

Hello PVP wizards, how are we today?

[umbral belfry]

[ocean temple]

I feel that. So much malding for SR.

[sterile matrix]

Yikes chat gpt might be on the good side

[shell hazel]

narrator: except it isn't lol

[umbral belfry]

ai yapping

[sterile matrix]

Its just yapping xD

[umbral belfry]

blanc + noir and tia + naga in pvp

[sterile matrix]

Its gemini to be fair so yeahh maybe its worse than gpt but not at the point to tell me how good a team comp is

[shell hazel]

it has no concept of what makes a good set of pvp units tbh, not at all

I've queried it before on it and it gives out some wild recommendations

[gritty ridge]

People come into team building with Ai generated teams all the time

Its terrible

[sterile matrix]

maybe a smaller language model tought by players would be way better chat gpt and gemini are just there to give u basic expertise and yapp

[shell hazel]

it's possibly a little better for pve team building but yeah, even then lol

[gritty ridge]

No, its terrible

Also it looks like I can only get 3rd in my spa

I can beat everyone but top 2

[sterile matrix]

I will go for Cindoro 🦧

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

Unless the former 2nd place attacks the current then I can attack him

[gritty ridge]

Hi hime

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

eh 3rd is good enough

just keep the pve side going and you'll be doing well

[gritty ridge]

It is, but 1st/2nd is safer cuz it makes a safety net

[shell hazel]

hi Hime

[gritty ridge]

Sir im becoming a pvp main

I wanna be CA champ

I have a chance now that hime isnt in my brackey

[umbral belfry]

lemme back in

[gritty ridge]

Why the whale, I dont buy levels

[shell hazel]

keep pushing bigboi because once upon a time the guys at 10/12 in my SPA were top 6

[sinful berry]

Bro is out here almost winning without a b2, and stunlocking my 1&2 so I can't cast.

Impressive.

[ocean temple]

Esteemed scholars, I should remove RRH for Besti even though it's going to hurt right?

Context for the curious

I'm a campaign malder andy that has slowly been rotating in pvp units to replace my invested campaign units.

I got besti online for raid and she's about ready to join main squad. I know the play is to pull RRH, but it hurts since shes hyper invested.

[shell hazel]

these guys slowed down a lot and now don't get anywhere near the top anymore (ohmanus and weiiii)

so what is out of reach today may eventually be in reach if you play efficiently 🙂

[sterile matrix]

Do u not need levels to win CA ?

[umbral belfry]

rrh is for campaign (but can be used for pvp under the right team). besti is basically mainly pvp and very good

so in short yes

[shell hazel]

besti is much better in pvp, no feed and should still hit like a truck

[umbral belfry]

thankfully vesti is good for campaign too outside of bosses

[shell hazel]

yeah I cleared end of 30 hard mode with her and she's not in her final form yet

[ocean temple]

I figured.

Going to hurt losing all that investment (rrh is my retirement account obviously) but no point in using her when she probably won't even get to burst before death.

[shell hazel]

30-33 hard mode with vesti

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

No lmao

Levels dont matter

[umbral belfry]

investment matters, levels do not due to being sync 400

[sterile matrix]

Doll level Nikke star level 🤔

[shell hazel]

you mainly need levels to actually get into top 4 lol

[umbral belfry]

so there's no cp deficit involved like there is in sp/rookie

[ocean temple]

Yeah that was the reason I made her a priority. Triple purpose build for me

1. Solo raid
2. PVP
3. Campaign mob malding

Efficiency

[shell hazel]

4. Vesti

[umbral belfry]

is besti

[sterile matrix]

I guess I leave it or lock and roll for third line hahahhahahahah

Definitely not

[ocean temple]

Indeed how could I forget? An excellent reason

[shell hazel]

is OK start roll both useful just no damage amp

alice not so much a pvp unit anyway, but you do want some CS and ammo for pve

[ocean temple]

No lie Vesti might be in my top 10 favorites after her upgrade. I liked her, but she got some ranks with the new design and increased confidence (by her standards)

[sterile matrix]

What is the cp limit until u auto lose even if u have a good matchup ?

[ocean temple]

Well thanks for the help fam @umbral belfry@shell hazel. I'll put her in tomorrow for RRH when I finish the last OL

[umbral belfry]

yay

@shell hazelnani

[sterile matrix]

Vesti is good enought to carry u in campaign ?

[umbral belfry]

looks so granted my vesti is max

i jsut know vesti is good for campaign, just not bosses

[shell hazel]

you need some rolls

better ones, especially if your rrh has good rolls

[shell hazel]

393? you been whaling again Hime!?

[gritty ridge]

Doll levels yes, for my bracket star level not really

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

Investments are king in CA

[shell hazel]

what stage is this Hime?

[sterile matrix]

Ur in CA as well ?

[gritty ridge]

Not this one

But its the same bracket everytime

[ocean temple]

Btw, are most of these resources still current?

I want to actually try to understand pvp someday. Right now I'm at the caveman state of "I understand that RL, SR, invuln, and taunt good"

But like which ones are better than others, positioning, etc, I just don't get.

I tried looking into it around siren's event, but I din't know enough about game back then to make sense of it.

[umbral belfry]

it was somewhere in 28. i'm slowly pushing

[shell hazel]

Hime!

you're slacking

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

no Hime, it's time to wake up 😄

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

381 😄

[ocean temple]

Behold, the great rock devourer (RH, RRH, and SBS have been eating 99 % of my rocks)

I'm also famous in #team-building for having the worst luck with OL and dolls. It took me 40 rolls on sbs to get ANYTHING USEFUL that wasn't max ammo

[umbral belfry]

no more mald

[shell hazel]

yeah your Vesti is not ready really to replace that yet

[ocean temple]

Even with MG debuff?

[shell hazel]

these chapters are all fire weak, this should work on most stages except some I needed RH on to burst faster

decent enough vesti is 4 x atk %, 2 x CS %, 2 x Ammo %

a bit of ele, some crit stats are fine

with no atk lines at all I'd be wary

[ocean temple]

Fair.

What about replacing siren

[north brook]

Need siren for rapi

[shell hazel]

depends if you feel like you're losing? for rookie it's not a big deal

cp pad is it's own defence

I'm probably going to fish for good line 3's on mine just saving some rocks up

[ocean temple]

Oh. Yeah I should have remembered that that.

Caught between a brick and a hard place.

Vesti definitely can't compete with RH either

[shell hazel]

is your vesti SR-15 with 4/10/10 skills?

mine is far from perfect but I haven't spent much on her yet

[north brook]

Mostly want atk rolls for campaign even decent rolls on besti shes good in pvp

[shell hazel]

she's usable at this level but she's not deadly enough

[north brook]

Think mine has only ammo, ele, and cs rn with some filler

[shell hazel]

I think it depends what you are attacking

[north brook]

Does depend on comp ya if ur trying to destroy opp before they burst u need atk ele cs and a bit of ammo

[ocean temple]

Eh, my pvp is a little bricked to begin with. I was a casual/waifu player for a while, and also took a vacation for a couple of months ( i got stuck at whale and frustrated).

I only started learning when I came back after seeing the cool stuff they were doing for Siren's event.

I tend to hover around 15-25 in rookie and 40-60 in special and just want to improve that.

[north brook]

If its like just having besti overpower opp with indom or noah she can be slightly weaker and still break a lot of teams

[shell hazel]

you could try her, nothing to lose, you should run her with a faster team though as indom or similar

exactly 6 months before me

[ocean temple]

rare (blue) 10 with 5 5 7. Ran out of doll mats because I was working on Tove's treasure at same time.

[shell hazel]

this beat my rookie def which is fairly strong

this is my usual defence atm

[ocean temple]

weirdly enough this makes me feel better. I assumed you'd have like 100-150 sync on me since I was not optimal in my core dust gen during like, the first 6-9 months.

[odd lantern]

what's your sync now

[shell hazel]

well I'm 80 levels ahead of you with less time played but it's not really a race haha

you'll probably never be top 10 in SPA easily but no harm in working on it a bit

[ocean temple]

I have enough boxes for 307 but I'm going to try slapping hard whale some before I admit defeat and use them

[shell hazel]

if you ignore the pvp stuff somewhat you can take as many breaks as you feel like, I basically have to keep logging in daily to keep up 😄

[odd lantern]

im 417

[shell hazel]

must be nice not feeling too chained down

[odd lantern]

so you could be like 411 at least, granted I didn't break 160 wall until >5months in

and I got crown after 13 months

so my account has similar luck profile as you lol

[shell hazel]

i'd bump the skills/rolls a bit before I threw her in still maybe, especially if it tanks your cp

[ocean temple]

I was about to say, took me like a year to get crown.

People clown on me for using solo naga for so long, but I legit had no meta b2's until like grave and crown.

[shell hazel]

4/10/10 is your goal with vesti, skill 1 to 7 only later if you want the cp associated, 4 is fine on it

I'm going for 7/10/10 myself

but I'm generally a pvp player

[ocean temple]

Yeah the guide I was using said said 7 10 10 so that's how I got to 5 5 7

But I'll slow my roll on skill one for now

[shell hazel]

yes that should lag until you get skill 2 to 10

[ocean temple]

Yeah fair. I'll catch up a little when I finish hard mode, but probably still be 75 levels behind.

Oh well, still better than if I started yesterday

[shell hazel]

your main pacemaker here is just yourself so don't sweat the levels too much

you will need more sync for hard whale

[odd lantern]

you'll still outclimb a lot of folks because they dont mald

[shell hazel]

I ran this for whale

[ocean temple]

Copy that.

All my rocks have to go to S Doro and Cindy right now, but I'll probably still toss Besti onto team 2 or 3 when I revamp special squad.

[odd lantern]

hard to defend without more levels than opponent haha, that's my only gripe with pvp

[shell hazel]

I ran it like klo did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhE7hO-AjlQ

this is maldy territory though, you may prefer to 321 it

[ocean temple]

Oh it's entirely possible, you can do it at lower sync with M Mast if you mald your fingers off

I got it down to 54 bars on Thursday night are like 10-15 hours of malding and then got greedy and tried to nuke before ads spawn.

Mind you've I've only had like ~4-5 100 bars or less runs in that amount of time, so it's not incredibly easy

[shell hazel]

ah yeah OK I didn't run with m.mast myself, mine still not ready haha

do bear in mind you def need more sync for nihil part 2 in next chapter

[ocean temple]

It's newer tech. I actually ran this on the update KLO did afterwards

I think they cleared it at 420-something power, which is wild. Higher sync though.

[ocean temple]

That and tower nihlister is why I'm force-feeding s doro rocks right now

[shell hazel]

I do most of my towers with pvp units 😄

[mystic rain]

u sghould see the one where he cleared whale at 38% deficit

[scarlet adder]

winable? (i am attacking team)

[ocean temple]

Fair. And better late than never.

Comparision is the theft of joy.

[mystic rain]

absolute insanity

[shell hazel]

ros and noise 😄

[ocean temple]

That's the one I was using when I got it down to 54 bars the other day https://youtu.be/mYjq1hLA_TU?si=vCKIM_TodoFOoU1p

[mystic rain]

yea that what i ran to

mine was only at 35% deficit tho

[shell hazel]

yeah m.mast looks really good for mald but my campaign is already at 40%

[odd lantern]

rosanna lol

that's like a flex

[shell hazel]

yeah blue cp > all 😄

[ocean temple]

Efficency!

Mine is with various campaign units, but my tetra does suffer for that (My alice sad because I went in on team RH)

[mystic rain]

this is the part where its actually a skill diff

klo is much more accurate and consistent with his manual shooting

mines ass

[shell hazel]

she's pretty effective at lower deficits

[odd lantern]

Doesn't need to sap your joy though.
Think of it this way, luck usually evens out, your luck may suck at nikke, but life will compensate.

[shell hazel]

should be? if that winds up accurate they don't burst before you b3, but cindy burst isn't instant

[umbral belfry]

w pep talk

[ocean temple]

Eh, I'm only at 29% this is practically blue.

I think it was a little higher the other day, but then I didn't touch this for 2-3 days because of SR

[shell hazel]

yeah you're in range there for sure, more cp than when I cleared it

[mystic rain]

how r u guys higher cp than me at same sync...

what in the frick

[shell hazel]

btw curator fix one of your RH rolls it should be easy to improve it

[ocean temple]

Every single unit here except mast has maxed ol armor

[mystic rain]

actually nah i know the answer i have shit ton of low tier OL lines on my units

[ocean temple]

And RRH is very built

[mystic rain]

oh mine isnt LMAO

[shell hazel]

the hit rate here is only cp pad, can temp lock the atk and roll for a good line 1/2

[scarlet adder]

yeahh i just never know how fast she hits with hers :/ it would be nice if that site or someone calculated how fast she does it 😄

[mystic rain]

my rapi has upgraded armor but not even lvl 5 and the supports r just basic OL xdd

[ocean temple]

Yeah I was just seeing that after I posted.

I rememeberd it being messier, goes to show what my memory is lol

[shell hazel]

is this rookie? 2RL double buff scar should eat that

I actually don't have +5 on anyone yet lol

not fully...

[scarlet adder]

yeah rookie

[shell hazel]

if it's rookie good place to learn, can try the cindy one, don't forget they may have some CS as well

[ocean temple]

I kinda had to, I was clearing the late chapters at pretty low sync... Actually, there's like one minor achievement I had, although I'm sure I'm out of the top 10 nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F05iZrLt1rE

Link has commentary of questionable usefulness

[scarlet adder]

it is not about learning... it's about hate 😄 i hate this guy and want to throw him down even in rookie that's how much i despise him 😄

[shell hazel]

I don't typically mald the lower clears, especially as it typically involves gimping units in some way

or running like overpowered dps + unsynced liter

it's more interesting if I'm naturally trying to do them as I'm there in progression

[shell hazel]

but you learn, then you win, info is key

[ocean temple]

It wasn't for low clears

I was like 20k below lowest clear when I got there

And I did try 100s of times, it was impossible without 301 buffs

[shell hazel]

my tetra tower look how much higher I am 😄

built ros and noise ftw

[ocean temple]

actually, before I go

I asked this earlier, but are these links still current as far as anyone knows? #pvp-arena message

[gritty ridge]

I think your cp is too low

Make it higher

[shell hazel]

nah it's doable range

it's higher than what I cleared at

[odd lantern]

he's trolling him on purpose haha

[gritty ridge]

I dont mean deficit, i mean curator cp is slacking

[shell hazel]

ah sorry it's late 😄

[gritty ridge]

Should be 600k

[shell hazel]

I need another cuppa tea

[gritty ridge]

British

[ocean temple]

Do you have 120k you could lend me?

[shell hazel]

hai desu 😄

[gritty ridge]

Yeah you can borrow miranda and alice

[ocean temple]

The #team-building banter leaks into other channels

[ocean temple]

I'll take it, I still need to OL my alice because Rh ate them all

[gritty ridge]

Me too, im like 2% short on cs

[shell hazel]

bigboi chased sopa away

https://tenor.com/view/10-gif-10454989151391905331

[gritty ridge]

Nuh uh, sopa was my rival

[shell hazel]

you killed your rival?

[gritty ridge]

Hes not dead

[odd lantern]

just burnt him by setting the kitchen on fire, as usual

[shell hazel]

show us the body then

https://tenor.com/view/seven-brad-pitt-box-whats-in-the-box-gif-3386206

[ocean temple]

But yeah like I ask this because I actually want to give myself a basic understanding of PVP before I ask for help with special.

Don't want anyone getting frustrated enough to break a table when I ask for help with special arena teams

I've tried reading the prydwen one before and got confused, but I knew a lot less about the game back then to be fair

[shell hazel]

shoulf be

it's updated back in april not that much changed

some new stuff like vesti ofc but the general concepts are the same

[ocean temple]

You and I are not the same level of alice brick..

[shell hazel]

my alice is built I just kind of suck at using her and she basically never impresses me

[ocean temple]

Okay thank you!

I will try the prydwen first and then switch to a different resource if I get confused.

[gritty ridge]

Hes just sleeping in

[shell hazel]

her rolls aren't even that bad

[shell hazel]

the only thing not really mentioned there is the nikke.work site but it's harder to get your head around

https://nikke.work/

once you get https://nikke-deck.web.app/ then you can look at more detail in the work one

[odd lantern]

can you set CS on this app? I never figured out how

the nikke.work one was easier

[shell hazel]

can't set only 15% or higher assumed

[gritty ridge]

I just need to reroll boots

[shell hazel]

but for quick mock ups of teams it's much easier

i'll use work if I need more detail on potential speed within the basic parameters

[glad meteor]

Need to up cs. Need like 7.2cs

[gritty ridge]

Just a lil bit more

[quartz rover]

I got timed out by the bot for forwarding the bay tweet in #game-news

I bet shift up made the skin just for you guys

[glad meteor]

Interesting

[ocean temple]

At least you're overloaded lol

I need to overload her gear, but I'm just dry on gear xp these days

[ocean temple]

Thanks, I have saved this message!

[mystic rain]

everyones dry😂

its never enough gear xp

[ocean temple]

True

I need the rocks, but I'm about to start farming one of the others at this point just for the gear xp if this keeps up.

I don't even really need t9m on anyone right now, I just need more fodder 🙁

[mystic rain]

oh uts same rate iirc

higher stages have higher chance of higher quality gear but the amount ur getting is the same

[terse dragon]

The reason why I recommend that high-level Vesti equip 4 attack and 8 crit (currently only 4 attack and 4 crit)

High-level Vesti paired with high-level Emilia has the possibility of killing any P2P3

[sage girder]

hi people i need help for a team. Tried some combinations but im always much weaker than others, what am i doing wrong?

[ocean temple]

Oh I just have a pretty good karken team, so I'm getting more rocks but I think on average half mats if I remember the table right

[keen vapor]

Wrong #1: Bay on P1 will get her cover entirely depleted for when she can finally burst
#2: Both Noah And Bay share the same function, making it redundant to use both on same team when could be used on different ones
#3: Noah P2 can taunt some enemy RL unit to shoot there and generate more burst energy than usual
#4: There's really isn't number four, I'm just seeing if you're paying attention
#5: Quiry has only ever been successful on Nero comps, where her healing takes extra value

[keen vapor]

Wym 8 crit....

[lone sequoia]

rate/dmg

full neutral dmg build

[keen vapor]

[lone sequoia]

if you don't have cs noah/bay in the same team is an option

but you want cs fixed for some teams

[keen vapor]

PVP has gone insane

[lone sequoia]

i go with full cs atk/ele dmg

if i hit first i know i can kill enemy vesti

but that doesn't matter, you have better teams to face vesti

[sage girder]

man i messed up big time, you got an idea for a team based on what i have?

i've been using my main campaign team instead because i have invested heavily in them

[shell hazel]

this is generally more sensible I think and more usable in pve as well - the full crit build I think mainly excels with emi

[keen vapor]

Hmmmm, no noise, Blanc or biscuit

[sage girder]

i know man, but good enough is enough for me

i just wanna be able to clear my dailies not become the best in the world

[keen vapor]

True, many Pilgrims for a starter

[lone sequoia]

really good to kill p1~p3 and stop the enemy chain in most comps, the other (cs) is just more balanced

the next event last 1 month again?

[shell hazel]

the bunny one? probably

[terse dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48UUJo8xa5Y ， The four games so far have affected the opponent's burst skills. Of course, these are based on high-level equipment. Besti's critical strike system requires higher-level equipment.

[keen vapor]

This one looks fun

[sage girder]

mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sure does

what are those numbers at the top?

[keen vapor]

Burst generation, you saw the white bar at the side? When you reach 100% you fill it

Hence, is when you start bursting

The sooner you reach it the better

[sage girder]

i know what burst is lol, just wasnt sure about those percentages

what site lets you see these stats like that?

[keen vapor]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

That's funny oregano is the name of an angeloid in the Sora No Otoshimono manga

[swift mango]

Looking at his CP I say he isn't.

[sage girder]

lol

thanks for the help anyway ill try the team tomorrow

[keen vapor]

Hi blood

I bought the Non Existence of you and me

Cool game

[swift mango]

Hi

Now do your jobs more.

[keen vapor]

Lesov is green

[high stream]

rude. especially since he actually is
Even if slightly
Also behind me in all pve content, but then again, im kinda cracked apparently

[keen vapor]

Green MA

[high stream]

he deficit pushing tower to

[keen vapor]

Tower

[swift mango]

Same synch range and higher CP teams. He isn't weaker than you in term of Arena.

[keen vapor]

[high stream]

meanwhile my 3 pvp teams all have more cp than his 3 defense teams

my guy

my rookie team is so much vastly stronger than his

so my 4 pvp teams all have more cp than his

like its not even objectively correct oô

unless u wanna say, his teams are stronger/better, they sure as heck dont have more cp, unless i need glasses or something

Lower CP across teams, weaker campaign team, behind in all PVE content compared to me . . . .

This guy is stronger

• he is 1 synchro level higher
  I feel targeted

[glad glade]

I wish they reran the re:zero collab

[umbral belfry]

emi where

[terse dragon]

[lone sequoia]

i hate reruns

we will get eva rerun

[high stream]

eva 3.0 when

still more eva nikke left to make

[hollow lagoon]

I hope Eva never return

[gritty ridge]

Why he stuck at snake if above 261

[glad glade]

Same. Both events were garbage

[umbral crown]

Context

[gritty ridge]

Chat i think he quit

I knocked him out of top 4 and he quit

I dont want people to quit because of me

[hollow lagoon]

had a similar one happen

bro was farming me every day

till one day i got a counter team online

and man i gemmed him and i only hit him

then he stopped attacking i think he got the idea that i dont like being farmed

[gritty ridge]

I hit him as soon as I had the power to, he had never hit me before

He got shuffled into my rookie

Hes also on mc so that may be another reason he quit

Tho he has the sync to be at black snake with me

[umbral belfry]

lemme back in baby bracket bigboi

just wanna say hi for the last time

[gritty ridge]

Nuh uh, youre with the toddlers now

[umbral belfry]

just 1 more time

[gritty ridge]

Make an alt and join baby bracket

[umbral belfry]

[real abyss]

what comp can i make with bay

[glad glade]

You’re stuck with me now, whether you like it or not 😈

[umbral belfry]

then I will bully say hi to you in bigboi's stead

[glad glade]

I’m looking forward to it

[gritty ridge]

I prefer the sg version for defense

Forces p5 pressure

[hollow lagoon]

I’m just waiting for the leviathan to come and ruin my spa dominance with next reshuffle

[umbral belfry]

[real abyss]

rip havent invested in moran yet

[gritty ridge]

Hime are there any cover repair units that give good gen?

Naga is too slow to replace t.lap/t.drake

[gritty ridge]

Hop to it young grasshopper

[umbral belfry]

no one comes to mind

[hollow lagoon]

Bay or naga repairs but the only one that matters is bay

[umbral belfry]

I'd say bay is mid burst gen

[hollow lagoon]

She’s mid ye

[gritty ridge]

I was specifically looking for cover repair to help bay

[hollow lagoon]

But she’s the only relevant one in PvP

[hollow lagoon]

Bay self repairs with full treasure on burst

[gritty ridge]

Cuz if she speed matches cindy she might still lose cover before cindy burst lands

[hollow lagoon]

The only other unit that gib cover after Tis broke is liter

And she gib cover based on unit remaining hp on a cooldown of 15 sec

[gritty ridge]

Bay can block cindy its just weird timing

Cuz you have to burst like slightly after cindy

[gritty ridge]

Was looking into ways to make it easier

[gritty ridge]

Yeah ik she rebuilds

[hollow lagoon]

U do know repair is hard af to time tho

Ur better off using shield or taunter to prevent her cover from being yeeted in the first place

Naga’s cover repair is 12 normal attacks

Which is basically never

[gritty ridge]

The problem is she shares cover with whole team on burst

Which means if they have t.lap or a strong shotgun you might lose it before cindy

[hollow lagoon]

That’s just life some times bro

[gritty ridge]

[ocean relic]

Was hovering around rank 100 and decided to finally try making meta pvp teams so I made 3 that were pinned in this channel. Wanted to move up to rank 90 for the 1200 gem reward but instead I skipped all the way to rank 25 and will probably get the 2000 gems instead. Holyyy. Thanks you so much for the info! ! @quick lake

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

Wow someone actually read pin

[gritty ridge]

I didnt know nikke players could read tbh

[crystal flicker]

Unless you sync gapped, those can bring you to the peak

[keen vapor]

The power of reading

[quick lake]

Pvp is possible!!

[gritty ridge]

Is scar indom or scar soda better for defense?

[keen vapor]

Scar soda better if rightly padded

[gritty ridge]

So scar soda, slow cindy, and nero stall perhaps?

Or is nero stall not worth anymore

[keen vapor]

I think Nero stall easy to counter in SP

[gritty ridge]

It is, especially with vesti now

But its harder to counter than helm bay stall

[raven plover]

with vesti now, nero stall coming back good bait

[gritty ridge]

Well what else am I supposed to do with team 3

Slow cindy takes blanc

[covert lintel]

Is it a win against 4 or 5 sg?

[keen vapor]

Is the question we all do to ourselves

[raven plover]

[gritty ridge]

Between scar soda taking jackal and slow cindy taking blanc and biscuit team 3 is pulling for scraps

[covert lintel]

I was never lucky
My sg always met biscuits It's so dog

[raven plover]

you won right

[covert lintel]

Nah, my scar failed

[gritty ridge]

What're yall thinkin

[keen vapor]

Not pascal

Just use anis as a normal person

[gritty ridge]

Pascal deserves the spotlight

Id rather use rapu but shes a tad too slow

I wanted pseudo stall for t3

[umbral crown]

Always worth

Why you think people use it in CA

[gritty ridge]

Because vesti used to not exist

[coarse lake]

bay has to burst before cindy

[swift mango]

It's pretty easy to counter in Normal arena. But not like anything else is uncounterable, and still worth it in CA.

[swift mango]

Nah, probably too hard for anyone to cook.

[shell hazel]

alright who turned the rain on?

[crystal flicker]

Vesti won't beat the fully built stall tho, on equal grounds (Unless 2 buffs)

[swift mango]

Idk, I saw you showed a guy with 380 300 300 team and your attack teams were 270 260 270 teams. So I guess my mistake.

Sure their 380k team was basically their campaign team and you campaign team also 380k. So I guess equal power.

[swift mango]

Nah she only needs RH buff to kill Rapu hiding in p4-5.
Ofc she needs to survive until she killed off Rapu in the 3rd-4th volleys.

Okay you could also count HelmT

So 2 buff

[crystal flicker]

I feel like XAnne gonna be good with her

Mine can kill DPS pretty fast, but supp and tank kinda hard

[swift mango]

Her first volley is pretty weak. Especially without 2rl B1 buffer.

She need to burst to start deal stronger dmg. And need to survive to deal it.

[crystal flicker]

She needs 2rl comp then

[swift mango]

She doesn't need it against Helm+Nero team, 3rl is enough. She needs protection and buffer.

Vesti basically needs Noah or Blanc to play. Idk how much Bay/Nero+Moran work with her though.

[simple slate]

could someone help me with creating a pvp team? i dont know if i have anything good for pvp apart from jackal and biscuit tbh

and tvesti ofc

[odd lantern]

jackal blanc biscuit vesti helmT
is okay

[simple slate]

helm isnt treasured yet, i assume there would be a better option then her normal form

i just need 1 dupe and ill be able to get it tho

[odd lantern]

switching helmT with centi/anis/trina is still fast enough afaik, especially since jackal is (still?) bugged

just be careful to have vesti the lowest linked HP

[simple slate]

wym with that?

[odd lantern]

jackal is getting more burst gen due to a bug

or you mean lowest linked HP?

[simple slate]

yeah

[odd lantern]

blanc uses indom on the lowest HP unit - you want that to be vesti

so try to make sure whoever is linked with jackal, jackal shares damage among her and 2 other Highest ATK (make sure vesti has the lowest health among them)

i've some friends who got overenthusiastic when whaling their units, and ended up with said unit not able to be blanc-ed lol

[simple slate]

i think i can do that, i did give her a blue lv15 doll already but if i upgrade the other units i should be able to get them higher HP

except anis might be a waste to put resources into no?

[odd lantern]

anis depends if you need CP or speed

if you're not getting CP gapped anis is usable, if you are, then she's not

i would prefer not to use anis in a blanc team though (same with trina), things can go wrong haha

newer players dont have much choice if they are chasing speed

[simple slate]

i prob need to invest a bit more into the units, vesti is 7/7/7, jackal 4/4/4, biscuit 4/4/7 and blanc 4/4/7

[odd lantern]

vesti first: s2 and burst at 10

i would suggest you prioritize campaign over pvp so try to survive with the min invests

campaign = higher levels + earlier anomaly interception(more rocks)

[simple slate]

currently at 21-32 with this squad

[odd lantern]

should be doable. mother whale right? as long as you can break the core, you're good

[simple slate]

yeah, whats the strat for the fight?

i didnt clear first try which doesnt happen often lol

[odd lantern]

use alice to burst gen, target the core (break it) and auto the fight

cover when raptures appear that cant be killed (it would be obvious)

and when the whale flies above you

break core -> break parts + auto normal raptures + cover master raptures = win

you need to break the core before the first wave of raptures appear, you might need to iframe some bombs while you are breaking the core

[simple slate]

okay ill see how far ill get

[glad glade]

Lmao of all the days for a new CA season to begin

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[glad glade]

pov:

[swift mango]

This is my player status currently, how about yours?

[crystal flicker]

That's some weak ass stall, not even bursting

[crystal flicker]

I might try her RH and some stuff tryn to push 2RL then

[glad meteor]

Moran did burst

Rapu nero can’t tank buffed vesti

[fathom rock]

@glad meteor how many rl is emi nuke with 8+13cs

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

When it lands?

[fathom rock]

Ye wanna know time it takes

[glad meteor]

oh the delay?

[fathom rock]

Yea from bust start to nuke land, how long nuke take to charge

[glad meteor]

Idk, I thought it’s 1 - 21%cs + 3seconds.

@worthy knoll @quick lake thoughts

[worthy knoll]

Idk either, all I know is it is more than 3 RL shots long at the very least. Does Nikke work don't show it?

[glad meteor]

Don’t think so

[fathom rock]

So 4rl noah should block a 2.5rl emi

[glad meteor]

@bleak shale do you know per chance

[glad meteor]

1.5 rl should be safe imo. 1 rl isn’t

I used 2rl emi against 3rl noah

Their Rapu burst after my emi

[fathom rock]

Sankyu

[worthy knoll]

If I give a rough estimate, I guess about 284 frames from B3 cast

[high stream]

I showed this. #pvp-arena message
385 vs 380
276 vs 274
274 vs 264
My 3 Arena teams are all higher CP than his 3 teams, my total Arena CP is higher than his CP. I'm not sure where u even got these CP numbers. #pvp-arena message 933 vs 918
Then this #pvp-arena message .. his Campaign team is 379K vs my 388K
And last this #pvp-arena message, saying he is in Chapter 36, I'm about to beat CH37, I'm at CH19 Boss and he's also 1 Synchro higher than me. So I'm not entirely sure why u're doing what u're doing, especially cause u doubled down that he's clearly stronger than me, has better pvp teams and what not #pvp-arena message , #pvp-arena message .. and not only is he literally less CP in all aspects compared to me, he's also not even ahead of me anywhere except synchro and in this case .. that's not speaking in his favor. Aight, now we can put this aside, right?

[mystic rain]

are you aware that cp deficit in pvp doesnt apply until 15%?

any deficit below that means theres no stat penalty

campaign progress/team doesnt mean shit either cuz those have no bearing in ur actual pvp stat lines/teams

https://nikke.gg/combat-power-cp/

seems like ur zero deficit on all 3 teams compared to him

[raven plover]

[mystic rain]

so the only difference now is ur pvp unit investment

maybe he has meta pvp unit more invested than urs

maybe he just knows abt pvp meta more than u

[glad glade]

So you could say shit but not backsh*ts. Why?

[mystic rain]

#questions

[high stream]

Not at all what this is about, but ok

[mystic rain]

i mean u mentioned that ur pvp team is higher cp than him and theres barely any cp difference

even if we single out each team theres literally zero deficit

[high stream]

No, he literally said that the gux has more cp than me, which is objectively just .. wrong. Im not sure how to explain to you that 380 and 388 are different numbers, so are 274 and 264. And then he also said he's stronger than me, which doesnt track on any measureable fact either. And if u recall that i came in here even specifically saying, that the guy is weaker than me, he can only beat 2 of my 3 teams, he is growing slower than me in cp over the last 3 weeks, so i could take a chance and try to adjust one defense of mine so he can only beat 1 of my 3 teams .. all this makes even less sense

The point is that he made multiple slides at me

Based on objectively wrong numbers

[mystic rain]

i mean he did admit that it was his mistake

[fast harness]

My dude he admitted he made a mistake already

[high stream]

For no reason

[mystic rain]

and realistically u only have 1 pvp attack team cuz ur sacrificing 1 team and the other ur just cp gapping

[high stream]

Yes, im aware

[mystic rain]

and hes def doing the same shit

[shell hazel]

we discussed this yesterday think general advice is still fine, what blood said

invest some in jackal/noah/helmT

[high stream]

Yes, I dont feel like rehashing all this

I got my advice yesterday already

[shell hazel]

and use the deck to check speeds and stuff, you can definitely beat your opponents by investing more in pvp than they do

[high stream]

Yeah, ive noted down most of ur advice from yesterday

[shell hazel]

if you need help understanding the deck then ask away 🙂

or what units work well where

you can share deck as well, if you put opponent 3 def teams in you can click share and include the RL info

then we could say oh team 1 is weak to X

oe team 2 is trying to do Y so run Z

the whale in my SPA is 30 levels ahead of me and has lots of cores but I can still beat em for now 😄

not only that they have invested in the pvp units a lot as well

[mystic rain]

my whale is 130+ sync ahead

[shell hazel]

yeah 130 sync is impossible they could just run blue units

am a dolphin spender, they have to spend more than I do

[mystic rain]

and im consistently lowest cp clearer in hard campaign in SEA

doesnt mean shit vs a guy who spends 1k a month on a gacha

[shell hazel]

yeah way too much I'll leave them to it

I am mainly just taking spot 1 off this guy when I can, and I'll force him to gem every now and then if he wants it back

[mystic rain]

SU pls shuffle this whale away from my bracket already 😭

3 reshuffles and im still stuck with his ass

[shell hazel]

I believe in slow/steady progress

no point spending tons and reaching level 500 and having nothing to do because of it 🙂

[mystic rain]

oh but he is pushing campaign as much as he can tho

hes already in hard mode MC

im only at hard 23

[glad glade]

I’ve been stuck with my whale since the very beginning. He’s 60 syncs ahead of me