pvp-arena

[onyx scaffold]

lmao lv623 won 741

[glad meteor]

Volume not better than doro?

[atomic wolf]

@umbral belfry jesse

[placid bloom]

Volume is a bit better than Doro

how much better Idk, think it still mainly depends on SBS and Alice

[glad meteor]

I want volume treasure there’s great potential

[atomic wolf]

this game have cancer

[hollow lagoon]

There is 0% chance volume is better, for one not invested, for two, if u can’t break eyes ur dealing with mirrior container tier defense for the boss for the entire run, doro’s team wide part damage is very important

[placid bloom]

Alice can break eyes

it's just not fun

Volume don't need invest

[hollow lagoon]

She does much better with doro

Also my Dorothy out damage my Alice in that comp by a lot

[placid bloom]

mine no OL 1/4/4 or something

[umbral belfry]

@glad meteor are you happy now

[glad meteor]

Right

I believe in volume

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

[placid bloom]

it's just that the team is a lot of effort to mald

[glad meteor]

I think i only broke eyes in one team

[placid bloom]

well I can mald less if I didn't try to optimize

[glad meteor]

rapi and sg team I think

[placid bloom]

I break eyes on all the teams except Cinderella

[glad meteor]

Ignore the team. But this is what I gotta do when it comes to breaking eyes in mobile

not fun

[umbral belfry]

I'm a little distracted by the right

[placid bloom]

don't you see that every day

[glad meteor]

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

the more I stare at SDoro butt bouncing as she shoots the more I want to stare

it's too perfect

[shell hazel]

dolls doko? 😄

[atomic wolf]

@umbral belfry i need your help to stop this mf permanently

[shell hazel]

problem is your dps goes down

[umbral belfry]

are you guys gonna be fighting until the end of time

no def can stop someone perm but we can try temp lol

[atomic wolf]

eh not really i havent been able to give a shit until yoon came along and we decided to f him up (again)

[shell hazel]

I knew there was a reason I pulled s.ros 😄

[placid bloom]

fighting until shuffle knocks you both down to 5th and below

[atomic wolf]

temp is good because he lost 10k to yoon and it broke his mental

if we can do that again he will definitely give up for sure

[umbral belfry]

wait star who's in your ca bracket now? like who won? I'm curious

[atomic wolf]

we are making this subhuman crow larper dead

[hollow lagoon]

I break eyes in all teams including Cinderella

[umbral belfry]

bc next ca shuffle I think is this one

[umbral belfry]

level up

[atomic wolf]

radeki

[umbral belfry]

whew

[placid bloom]

no Vesti, can't break eyes in Cinderella team

bricked in PvP and PvE

[hollow lagoon]

Sad universe noises

[atomic wolf]

god forbid

[hollow lagoon]

How is ca up?

[atomic wolf]

i get in an ACTUAL GODDAMN BRACKET WITH PEOPLE ON MY.LEVEL

[umbral belfry]

Come back star

[umbral crown]

Waos

[atomic wolf]

look at all these disgusting whalers

[placid bloom]

getting isekai is unlucky

[atomic wolf]

i built moran nero noah etc efc sr15

and I lose to these absolute baboon

all because they were lightyears faster than me.in term of teambuilding

and it doesnt matter

[hollow lagoon]

My Moran Nero is sr-10 barely pulled through last ca

Barely is good nuff

Why is my name green

[umbral belfry]

you best get them dolls up

[hollow lagoon]

I wanna go back to pve tho

[umbral belfry]

never

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-tentacles-gif-12919236

[atomic wolf]

ok so @umbral belfry here's the opponent's team

moran siren biscuit helm drake
noise jackal noah cinderella centi
anis scarlet blanc trina rosanna

now please cook for me

[swift mango]

I don't even have S.doro, and use my Sugar instead for the "SG" team.

Btw

[atomic wolf]

jesus christ

[glad meteor]

Yuri

[umbral belfry]

t1 linked scar trina centi siren jack
t2 nero moran helm rapu lap (gonna assume your nero stall is invested)
t3 I'd skip

but a way to beat t3 is noah bisc cindy helm rumani

[hollow lagoon]

Sugar might get treasure ngl

[atomic wolf]

my nero is invested af sr15

[glad meteor]

Need a better b2 in sg team though

[umbral belfry]

skills?

[atomic wolf]

i want a def team not atk

[umbral belfry]

oh my bad

[hollow lagoon]

Scarlet still force people to Noah it tho

[glad meteor]

Can Bay helm

[shell hazel]

marciana treasure

[umbral belfry]

to be honest with you def can be so easily broken nowadays, we can try a def but it's gonna break

[umbral belfry]

hmm

[atomic wolf]

he has the attention span of a brick

[umbral belfry]

I mean it's not horrible but that cp seems low

how's your rapu

and moran skills

[hollow lagoon]

me too, when I was setting up wish list for the first time she and helm was immediately “me want”

[shell hazel]

b2 as well

[hollow lagoon]

Honestly she would be good enough for a re-enter

[umbral belfry]

oh hell nah

get rapu in sync asap and work towards her if you even want to use nero stall

[atomic wolf]

listen it was just a prank

but yeah alright

[umbral belfry]

@atomic wolf I don't remember what you have but can try

t1 2rl scar trina rh (no jack)
t2 either 2rl moran bay or 2rl noah cindy
t3 2rl vesti indom

actually lemme check if these are even possible, 1 sec

i don't remember if you have noise

[atomic wolf]

no noise

[umbral belfry]

alright gimme a sec

[umbral belfry]

you risk not reaching 2rl with t3 (or maybe you will due to current jack bug). in order for that to be 2rl you'd need to move centi from t1 but then your t1 won't be 2rl

but you'll reach 2.5 at least for t3

then again if your scar has more than 32 ammo that's not good either

<@&946725432554836008>

[atomic wolf]

hm

[ancient kayak]

?

[atomic wolf]

oh we ping them for fun now?

[umbral belfry]

tbere was a spam wave but I think bot deleted

the typical Mr beast thing was in here

[atomic wolf]

im worried about siren

you see the siren team i'm talking about, the moran siren one

[umbral belfry]

your scar has more than 32 ammo I assume then

[ancient kayak]

another mod took care of that

[atomic wolf]

no no its fine

my scar has less than 32, what i'm referring to is the noah team

[umbral belfry]

ahhh

you could moran bay helm but the problem still exists for t3

or I guess you could noah vesti instead

[atomic wolf]

hmm

[umbral belfry]

the only way your Noah is in danger now is if a siren is in p1 p2

@atomic wolf eh

the only way your Noah is in danger now is if a siren is in p1 p2

but otherwise you're siren safe

[swift mango]

Yeah, but her treasure maybe suck ass

[umbral belfry]

g2g to a meeting but that's the best my baby brain can think of. gl star

[atomic wolf]

hm, ty

[swift mango]

They could have just auto team.

[ionic rose]

[wild patio]

GIVE ME A BREAK WILL YA!!!

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[summer copper]

You had a 10 hour break when you were 5th

[unique wagon]

This ur vid Eon?

[onyx scaffold]

emi carry

[umbral crown]

Yes, there is just 1 Eon

[unique wagon]

Is that uploaded to YT

@umbral belfry now we have matching tags! thanks to NEET's nitro

[hybrid fox]

Uhh how do I win?

[unique wagon]

By killing them before they kill u

Which team lost even

Im assuming T2 and T3

Maybe its time to deploy Vesti the Besti?

[hybrid fox]

I haven’t got her yet

I was asking if there could be a team to win

My noise Noah to their team 2 and scar to their team 3? Cuz they are fast enough

my bracket has a bunch of chicken that doesnt attack my rival

[unique wagon]

Sure

[hybrid fox]

maybe time for me to use gem haha

[swift mango]

I did it. Top 3% finally!

[shell hazel]

for 2 hours maybe 😄

[swift mango]

Tried my best okay? My Cindy and Scarlet each did 1b+.

[hybrid fox]

wrong zone bro

I punished my 2nd

[swift mango]

I wished my Scarlet was 2 crit dmg 1 Ele instead of 3 Ele. Doesn't help in Arena, doesn't help in Solo raid either.

[umbral belfry]

kisebun

[hybrid fox]

punished the 2nd who is lazy, but I am doomed for tmr, no one will attack them

[swift mango]

Wdym "the 2nd who is lazy"?

[hybrid fox]

the person in my bracket

he didnt retailiate to my rival, who is ex-rank 5

in fact no one attacks him 100% of the time so

[swift mango]

Oh good luck.

[hybrid fox]

i dunno why my bracket has so many chicken but they bark at me

[hybrid fox]

would u happen to have any unhinged spvp def teams

[unique wagon]

Bun the best

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

Nothing works. Only CP press with tanky Moran/Noise and Scarlet counter kinda made it hard for the 🧱 plebs

Ofc you could post your box for a new def here and waste him some tries to figure it out.

[hybrid fox]

yes, this

[unique wagon]

[shell hazel]

my round crashed on changing character woo

@hollow lagoon can I get in here?

[hollow lagoon]

Uhh no

I don’t think

[nimble swan]

Is this global?
I did 100m more and i’m 1.46%

it’s very competitive

[shell hazel]

[swift mango]

It's SEA. 3% in global is like 5% in SES.

I'm not PvE ever in this game.

[shell hazel]

SEA has higher benchmarks for scores

also last day or two is when most go for scores :9

[nimble swan]

I see.
I’m mainly PVP too but recently I’m trying to get better in PVE.
I know i can squeeze out a few hundred m more damage, but i won’t lol.
I only mald if i’m close to getting in a treshold

[swift mango]

Harder to get 3%, 10% but easier to get to top 50 I guess. Dedge server

[swift mango]

I did the best my roster, fingers and phone could do. I have no regrets.

[hollow lagoon]

[nimble swan]

You can sleep without troubles

[swift mango]

I have other trouble.

[leaden canyon]

Can this win or nah, its against the whale in my bracket

[gritty ridge]

T2 and t3 i think yes

No buff scar shouldn't wipe

And then scar indom should do alright as long as it clears rapu

[leaden canyon]

I hope it can clear it

tripple buffed scar

[gritty ridge]

Idk if trina and jackal will clear bay cover tho

[leaden canyon]

I could try and do vesti in it I suppose

[lone sequoia]

rh b1 should counter bay cover, if his units have dmg

but that team is slow

[gritty ridge]

Not with jackal bug rn

Drop it by 1 rl

[leaden canyon]

jackal bug does what

[lone sequoia]

DR team against a semi stall comp is hard, nero and moran can die pre-burst

some units with on-hit effects have double proc

[leaden canyon]

[lone sequoia]

healers, RLs, some SGs

[gritty ridge]

Sbs rn is a nuke

[lone sequoia]

some people said that jackal extra burst gen from shared dmg hits also double the procs

[gritty ridge]

Scar counters are also doubled

[lone sequoia]

@leaden canyon is your union member fine? few dayss without login

[leaden canyon]

do I just give up on tripple win and gut the helm stall

[leaden canyon]

which union member lol

[lone sequoia]

xxx

[leaden canyon]

online 7 hours ago

[lone sequoia]

oh, ok

[leaden canyon]

Also they are like one of the few union members who dont interact in the union discord I believe

[lone sequoia]

he stopped attacking after i asked you about him

[umbral crown]

The question did the trick

[lone sequoia]

that was weird, then few days without login

[leaden canyon]

oh is he in your pvp bracket lol

[lone sequoia]

yep

[leaden canyon]

yeah idk why he stopped then

Never really interact with him but he puts in his union raid attacks

[lone sequoia]

scarlet nuke against moran team should be fine, even with a 2RL team you should hit faster than moran b1, the only thing i don't know is the moran dmg to kill jackal link with biscuit S2
sbs/blanc should be easy with that same team (just defender+biscuit)
i would probably emi nuke scarlet team or just slow cindy and use a different dps on noah team

but i want to see how the teams you made go

[shell hazel]

aren't you getting deficited on all 3 teams here?

[gritty ridge]

Team 1 is deficit

I think 2 and 3 are safe

[lone sequoia]

probably, but we play on penalty

that is everyday pvp experience

[leaden canyon]

I mean I have lost against him before basically using the same teams

I have always tripple lost against him when ever I tweak something

[lone sequoia]

can your noise or biscuit tank emi/laplace in p2?

[leaden canyon]

Idk lets see

I took blanc out of the scar team for centi

its 2Rl now

[lone sequoia]

T1-noah/biscuit/cindy/helmT/rumani
T3-scarlet/trina/rh/laplace/jackal

[shell hazel]

nein desu

[gritty ridge]

Ah its close

[lone sequoia]

sending hits at 30%deficit

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

team 2 is the closest barely lol

and is actually under this by a bit still

[leaden canyon]

nah tripple loss

[lone sequoia]

video?

[leaden canyon]

Scar nuke went off but didn't kill everything

[leaden canyon]

Nope I have not fixed my recording issue yet

biscuit also died

before burst

[shell hazel]

that deficit is just too evil

better to keep plugging away at levels and hope they quit whaling one day 😄

[leaden canyon]

Hes gone up 8 levels in like 4 days

[lone sequoia]

can you show your box?

[shell hazel]

never catch em, wondering why they bother though as solo raid is locked to 400 anyway, and union raid is fine but hardly matters

[leaden canyon]

ikr, sync level doesn't really matter at a certain point for most content in the game other than pvp

[placid bloom]

SR museum

[leaden canyon]

yeah that too

[placid bloom]

Gotta get those arks ranking frames

[lone sequoia]

we need more electric units for whale

[leaden canyon]

He must be trying to be competitive for union raids if I had to guess

[placid bloom]

We have enough elec units, they just feel like a heavy commitment to build

Who is building Isabel Arcana

[leaden canyon]

I dont even own arcana

[lone sequoia]

same here

[shell hazel]

I got her in a random wishlist pull but I didn't pull on her banner, mostly what I always do, try and get any missing ordinary units via wishlist

only missing viper and sora atm

apart from seasonal/colab/limited

[glad meteor]

Me

[placid bloom]

[swift mango]

Then use her for solo raid

[glad meteor]

I’ll try when i get more ele

[swift mango]

it's fire raid, you need no ele.

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

ah yes the co-op rankers who get double what omni/warcraft etc get 😄

[main trail]

I have dumb question about nikke deck, with Emilia it goes skill 10 -> 8% -> 16%, when it's at the 8% is that just assuming you have s1 lvl 10 so 21% cs total? and 25% would be assuming you had 4 black line cs?

[shell hazel]

I don't think it's a dumb question but I don't know the answer myself, and never learnt it as I don't have emi

you wouldn't need 4 x black line CS you can 23% CS with adjutant for 25% CS

still high requirements and you need some blue/black lines to do it, but not all of them

[main trail]

yeah I'm just wondering because one of the options is 25% when it cycles through

[shell hazel]

I think that is actually having 25% CS

if you had that then skills being maxed is basically a given

[main trail]

yeah so that's why I'm asking if that means all black lines or not, because wouldn't 4x 6.09 lines round to 24 and not 25

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message

[main trail]

also the lightning bolt icon is either on or off but it says cs 15 18 21 etc, how does it know what cs you have if it's just on or off without setting it

[shell hazel]

that is assuming min of 15%

[main trail]

so what about the higher numbers it shows in the info

like what if you had 21 cs but having it only just assumes 15?

[shell hazel]

I think it just assumes you have min of 15% for simplicity - more can be better

https://nikke.work/ lets you finetune CS

[main trail]

I probably got a whole other set of questions about that site too lmao, so what does the S and F buttons do and the GA CN

[signal hull]

yeah this shit's confusing af... I don't even bother.

[shell hazel]

it's not that hard to get, not going to say it's super easy but that is what nikke deck is for

[main trail]

ok the S and F is seconds and frames but what about the other buttons

[shell hazel]

super easy - if you're asking questions like how to set the CS and such, the work site does that, just need to wrap your head around it

global = ga
china = cn

it's a timeline thing, put in the teams and positions, each unit has a line and the dots are when they fire

there is a line for charge across the team, that shows you when it's burst ready => b1 => b2 => b3

[dim escarp]

@shell hazel

I think my vesti is CA ready

(I was testing the team I might run)

[main trail]

what about the Sword and shield? obviously it's attack and defense but how does that change things when setting up the teams

does that change the top team from being defense or attack?

[shell hazel]

I put in a 2rl comp (not a real one you'd actually run) to show how that looks

there is a delay on burst firing, a 2RL team doesn't b3 at 2RL, it means it's ready to burst at all at 2RL

you can also configure the jackal links as shown, you have to set that based on who links in reality

it can't assume it as it depends on your ol lines

[dim escarp]

[main trail]

ok I get it, and switching the sword/shield changes it to what side team you're adding

[shell hazel]

yes

you can also click switch team if you do the team on the wrong side by accident

it's not that complicated just wrap your head around how the timeline/jackal link etc works

it lets you see the burst gen for everyone combined and how adding CS or w/e can change the timings

[main trail]

and the stun I guess obviously just means the frame siren stun would hit on if they had one right

[shell hazel]

yes

same for rosa

lets you see if your b1 avoids siren stun or not, or even if your b2 does (possible with enough cs team wide at 2RL)

[main trail]

siren stun just stuns whoever she's focusing right? so p1 unless she's taunted?

[shell hazel]

yes

[shell hazel]

nice though that match is always a bit ?? if noah doesnt get stunned lol

a lot of time immune and indom doesn't last that long

[dim escarp]

yup but SADLY, dude is the only one who match my cp if I lower at best in rookie lmfao

it was just to try the team :p

[shell hazel]

surprised they have that much cp at 362 lol

[dim escarp]

still don't really know how I'd go in CA

[dim escarp]

yup I'm glad lmao

[shell hazel]

wild lol

+15 sync and my team is hardly uninvested here 😄

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

they're full SR-15

my team there

[dim escarp]

zamn

he prob have invested helm for pvm

[shell hazel]

maybe he has like stupid lines that cp pad

[glad meteor]

Maybe siren at p5, I’ve seen besti kill jackal link

[shell hazel]

that do nothing in reality except inflate cp

problem then is you don't b1 with siren so no atk buff 😛

[glad meteor]

She has small atk dmg buff

[glad meteor]

But most people will have weak vesti I guess

[shell hazel]

I only have 2 people in rookie that really set teams I can test anything on it and it's your union mate and void

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

who is dumb and put anchor as the b2 on trina/scar comp

[glad meteor]

it’s true

[dim escarp]

I trust haha

[shell hazel]

it's hittin wind weak siren I guess?

[glad meteor]

Siren was in p2

[shell hazel]

I wasn't sure how jackal link worked with multiple targets and the link damage distribution

[glad meteor]

With link

[glad meteor]

Its all divide equally unless dist dmg bug

[shell hazel]

but hitting wind siren with fire advantage means that hit does more right?

[glad meteor]

Yeah

[dim escarp]

I really don't know how I will run tho because to put Vesti in my CA I have to nerf my cinderella - noah team a bit, still no CS on this team

[glad meteor]

Mine only has atk atm tho

I don’t even know if I’ll get to ca this season

[shell hazel]

CS for vesti think we need to see the numbers work

[glad meteor]

I’m just going the hype with vesti

[shell hazel]

you want to max her firing time in the indom window

so enough ammo not to need to reload, and enough CS to get more shots off in the 10 seconds

[dim escarp]

oh yeah what's the line + cube on vesti?

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Depends on what type of vesti you want to build. Different variants will have different priorities

Indom or battery

[shell hazel]

her ammo is in batches of 4 iirc

[glad meteor]

or just build vesti to kill pre burst

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Or give her enough to ensure she doeesn’t reload

[shell hazel]

I think a well rounded vesti will be good in both roles - enough ammo to fire say 16 rockets in indom or battery mode

or 20, not sure yet

and enough CS to get that initial charge timer to work with it

[glad meteor]

My 2rl vesti only got 12 hits in I think

[shell hazel]

she has 2s charge time, but 10% CS makes that 1.8S for example

then there is a delay on each rocket being fired but it's fairly short

[glad meteor]

When in indom, so 16 altogether it seems

If 3rl coukd get another hit in maybe?

[shell hazel]

have to balance her firing cadence with burst speed and not just dying to easy comps

[dim escarp]

Lot of work I guess

[glad meteor]

Nice ele though

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

my vesti initial OL's suck worse haha 😄

I am working on 3rd one now, 200K ish away so maybe by this time tomorrow it will just happen from the random bits of gear you find

these both need full re-rolls, just going to see what I get with my 3rd and 4th ones

naturally 0 rocks from kraken today so that's good

[glad meteor]

It’s getting somewhere for me

Combat power is terrible though

[shell hazel]

hunting line 3 I guess is the key, or depending on stat goals, anticipating that 2 good lines is probably good enough for random SPA attack option or CA team comp

[glad meteor]

Yeah. 3 line is hard. But if pvp main probably worth

[shell hazel]

even if you get a good line 3 and settle on a good line 1

rolling that later on is much easier if you find yourself wanting to max it more

lock 3 and go

did you have a vesti video @glad meteor I didn't get a chance to see it

[glad meteor]

Yes

One sec

It was against fren so I’ll remove it soon

4/7/7 vesti

But these ols were a but poopy

[shell hazel]

sure remove it np I took a copy so I can re-watch

seems a bit more damage and it wins

I thought her ammo was in batches of 4 but she has 14 to start with?

[glad meteor]

She has max ammo ol and bastion

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

we can measure frames on AR somewhat I think

[dim escarp]

yummy atk lines

[shell hazel]

4/7/7 has a lot of room for skill upgrades as well

4/10/10 is final rec for now

[glad meteor]

10/10/10

[dim escarp]

mine is 7/7/7 for now

[shell hazel]

from what Gatrix said about 0% CS Vesti

CS does not apply to shots 2/3/4

we're at 20AR at just 5% CS though?

[lone sequoia]

magic happens

[glad meteor]

I think this vesti had 0 cs

I got cs yesterday

This is some info from jp

But dk perfect timing yet

[dim escarp]

oh yeah I saw it

they also updated the burst gen list

[shell hazel]

wish we had a translated version of what all the data means 😛

[plain crescent]

SPA teams?

my clipboard is slow oops 😭

[glad meteor]

Maybe this helps

[pastel owl]

seems like finding the sweet spot where 20-bullet vesti lands all shots b4 indom ends

where vesti with diff charge speed is considered

[shell hazel]

yeah, and whilst she can have off-beat ammo, it also means she doesn't really use anything well outside of multiples of 4

I was messing around with mine in mock battle and she has 14 ammo, cycle goes:
charge up => fire 4 shots => repeat
so after doing this 3 times we charge up and then fire just the last 2 rockets

[pastel owl]

18-20 bullets almost hard requirement if u want to burst with her and safely under indom coverage

[shell hazel]

feels like gotta be 16 or 20 and either with ammo alone or controlled with bastion maybe

you don't want to reload fully before at least 16 rockets are fired

[pastel owl]

otherwise it might as well no ammo roll and delay the shot as much

[wild hemlock]

[twilit bay]

that's a lot of gems

[wild hemlock]

It's like right at reset to so like I just took it back anyways... Wonder if he is going to do it again

[twilit bay]

Seems like he has found the solution though

[rustic sandal]

a player like that will always find a solution eventually

need to cp gap

[keen vapor]

@violet spoke what's wrong did XP attacked you or something?

[violet spoke]

yea

[keen vapor]

But Check already used his both attacks

something that XP can't beat

Hhhmmmmm he can't beat Malogro

[plain crescent]

[grand plaza]

Hey @shell hazel would you suggest skipping Vesti? I mean I know she is strong on pvp but there are a shet ton of reruns and stuff coming and I am thinking maybe I should stay low until next year

[ivory violet]

You can just wishlist her so if you need to save for the loads of limited characters upcoming that is a good idea

[spiral onyx]

@grand plaza ^

[keen vapor]

Moran

[fathom rock]

Will he gem

[umbral belfry]

yes

[fathom rock]

Kmow what keep your 5th atleast relic guy is getting 2.4k this season

[twilit bay]

the power of friendship

[quick lake]

10% cs needed to shoot 4 volleys during indom
19% cs needed to shoot 5 volleys during indom

[swift mango]

0% is already enough for 4 volley during indom.

nvm you probably mean, except the first one.

[quick lake]

maybe it’s 5/6 volley

[swift mango]

🫃

[raven plover]

pregnant

[spare nimbus]

Will team 1 or 3 win?

Or should I use siren for team 3

[onyx scaffold]

I think team 3 should win but that sr15 moran scares me

[spare nimbus]

Also is soda fine at 1/1/1?

[spare nimbus]

Then should I put siren in p4 so that she stuns Moran?

[onyx scaffold]

Yes but pay attention your cp and her sustain

[spare nimbus]

Sustain?

[onyx scaffold]

She might get killed without SR doll

[onyx scaffold]

Team 1 will depend on enemy stat.
If his laplace has more atk than vesti, u will nuke his laplace and leave vesti with indom. Because u will burst first, your blanc Indom will run out first => u r cooked

[onyx scaffold]

Just keep this team. Double buff scarlet should kill everything not protected by Biscuit and she cannot protect everyone

[spare nimbus]

Ok

Bro omg I hate this game

I have crashed on the last 2 replays I tried to watch

I won but idek how I won bro omg

When will there be a function like in champion arena where u can go back and watch bruh

[covert lintel]

Will you use vesti next ca?

[onyx scaffold]

Do u turn on quick battle?

[spare nimbus]

Yeah

[onyx scaffold]

Dont hurt my bro

[spare nimbus]

I won 2 and 3

[onyx scaffold]

Can check damage result first next time

[spare nimbus]

Ok

[raven plover]

what CA

[covert lintel]

Oh u still fighting nepnep

[raven plover]

yes this morning

Im waiting sein to hit him now, and pray it succeed

[covert lintel]

1k gems?

[raven plover]

he spent 3k so far

[covert lintel]

deficit gems

[raven plover]

[loud sonnet]

From the beginning of my new bracket to now

[leaden canyon]

wtf kinda defense is he smashing his head into lol

[loud sonnet]

Whales on this bracket are chill so we try hards going against each other

[swift mango]

nepnepp doesnt learn or something. it's a long time yet he still fail to attack.

Can't even find him on union discord anymore. If only I could help him with attack as an union member.

Maybe he wanted to 3/3 it so he used gem to try. Who know.

[raven plover]

hes testing out besti def

[swift mango]

Feel like not possible for me. But I guess we could we would see.

What's there to reroll?

[quick void]

can someone help me build team for pvp arena, the 3 teams special arena and the one team one as well

[misty finch]

TLDR on new vesti? I've heard she's really good

[vapid lake]

Does a fkton of dmg but need indom to keep her alive to do that dmg

[marsh axle]

yes im stupid thankyou

[raven plover]

nepnep

[marsh axle]

lol

[covert lintel]

finally you show up

[marsh axle]

i been lurkin around for a while man im not up for talkin muhc www

[covert lintel]

Ask for help here how to beat @raven plover

[raven plover]

alright nep Im waiting sein to move up

[marsh axle]

lol i dont wanaa fight u i just pay gem to win wwwwwwwwwwww

[white compass]

What should I do with the crit damage and charge damage lines? Does my Cindi go for crit anything?

[ivory violet]

Those are ok lines to have on Cindy it's kind of a waste to roll them off

Her burst can crit so having extra crit dmg isn't bad

[white compass]

Damage over rate or are they close?

[ionic rose]

Team 1 (for both rookie and SP): blanc, Tactical Vesti, Biscuit, Sora, Anis

Team 2: Drake, Bunny Soda, Pepper, Product 23, Noir
Team 3: Noise, naga,cindy, red hood, helm

You can put them lv 1 in your synchro device but dont invest in pvp units until u have your campaign team maxed out

[quick void]

okay thanks

i cant beat this guy's team his heal is crazy

[final wedge]

lvl cap it then

insta win

[coarse lake]

need is a very strong word there

[vapid mica]

is laplace treasure mainly work as burst gen or do i have to high invest in her ol lines?

[ivory violet]

Yeah it's just burst gen of a clip shotgun without feeding jackal

I wouldn't go crazy on her lines personally

[grand plaza]

No saving it is then

[glad glade]

They’re fine to keep. If you really want to go the full 12/12, switch the charge damage for either crit or ammo

[shell hazel]

was asleep gomen!
depends on your resources, she looks useful in attack comps for SPA as well. Depends how much you care about pvp and how much tickets/mileage you have.

a single copy is all you'd need if you did want her, she'll go to ordinary wishlist eventually

[young cape]

Maiden's skill seems to work 12 times

[spiral onyx]

So I've been playing around with the https://nikke.work/ tool and it's pretty nice. Just learned that I can actually shave 8 frames off my Cindy team by swapping my Noise to Quantum. That should help secure a few close 2RL Scarlet fights

[shell hazel]

yeah it's really good for fine tuning

[grand plaza]

Np np, I do care about PVP enough but the issue is tooo many reruns coming so...

You think this would be enough for 3 sept reruns + RE + Xmaiden rerun + worst of all, rapipi

[shell hazel]

I don't think xmaiden is confirmed atm

[grand plaza]

Isn't it pretty much guarantee like how summer units rerun

[shell hazel]

for september re-runs I think I will just try and get s.anis and xanne skip the rest

tbh outside of pve where s.anis has some use cases in some fights/raids, I think vesti is better at pvp than s.anis is atm

prydwen seem to rate s.anis too high on the list vs her actual use

[grand plaza]

As far as I can remember PVP side didn't get an overhaul like pve side.

Vesti review taking a lot so maybe they are just doing that?

[shell hazel]

xanne seems more of a CA unit

so if you're not in CA then I think she could be skipped maybe?

[strong hull]

[grand plaza]

I am planning to get Anis for obvious reasons
Helm because I like SW+ MirandaT teams
Xanne because who knows maybe there can be a broken stall meta in the future?

[shell hazel]

you have enough resources to go for a vesti I'd say but I mean you could do 200 pulls and get nothing lol

[strong hull]

@swift mango blood-kun

[grand plaza]

Yeah that kinda happened with rapipi back then (100+ pulls), it hurts

[shell hazel]

I don't want to be the instrument of your downfall 😄

rapipi not sure if we'll def get her re-run later? you think we'll see at ny?

I went for vesti with like 20 tickets and 70k gems so less than you had here, but I'm pvp main atm

other angle - you can def get vesti at NY selector

it's 3 months away but if you fail on standard wishlist then she'll be on the NY selector and that is the latest you'll get her without going for her now

[grand plaza]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM that make sense

[shell hazel]

depends how much you'll regret skipping now vs waiting, it's always a tough call

my resources are hurting a bit as well, I'm hoping I can get the re-runs as well, RE collab if they're decent I'd probably have to just get 1 copy

[grand plaza]

What I can possibly get from selector is

Trina - Laplace - Moran - Nero and now Vesti. Imo Vesti is clear winner here

I also have a shet ton of molds I was saving as well so.. Probably a few lucky drops from there

[shell hazel]

vesti or trina, trina is very important too

[grand plaza]

Without Scarlet or even Moran, not so much

[shell hazel]

moran/nero stall is costly and def more use in CA

true

I have 0 tickets - 55K gems (will be 58K with SPA in a few days) and 450 mileage

[grand plaza]

Yeah nero is definitely no a priority because of that, but Moran might see a use with Trina maybe

I am not going CA anyway

[shell hazel]

moran less with trina tbh, I've tried it for fun but I don't think it's that great

trina just good battery for any team + great with scar for buffs

moran is tanky + has her own hp thing anyway so the immunity doesn't help her very much

[grand plaza]

Fair

[shell hazel]

other angle is you could try a fixed number of pulls and quit if you don't get her by then, but tbh if you don't get rate up SSR on her banner, you weren't getting it on the others anyway

[grand plaza]

Maybe I should just use these 20 tickets for Vesti and see if I can be lucky again

I am kinda thinking whether I will be able to use her right away as well.

[shell hazel]

my pulls that get nothing were probably always going to get me nothing no matter what banner I saved them for

[grand plaza]

Thats what makes sense, but doesn't feel like it right

[shell hazel]

20 may be enough, personally I'd say go to 50 pulls and dip if you fail

[valid inlet]

With Vesti coming next season I see Nero Moran getting less relevant next CA too

[shell hazel]

that is an even shot at her showing up

[shell hazel]

that is true - but you still need 5 teams to run

the meta will evolve

there is no obvious answer I'm afraid Jinnn you gotta risk it at some point or fail haha

[grand plaza]

Hmm, still 90k gems as well which is 300 pull

[shell hazel]

at least if you have a limit then you won't just pull to zero and run out before next set

[grand plaza]

Sure, we are in a gatcha after all

[shell hazel]

lost in the gacha

[valid inlet]

It suddenly becomes the most vulnerable team and I wonder if there is a better comps to utilize HelmT and Moran better

[grand plaza]

CA is a pretty shet mod by itself, but it clearly bring a life to SPA so that much is kinda appreciated

I mean I kinda lose more, now I am stuck on 7-10 but still its nice to see action

[shell hazel]

yeah I do wonder, good thing is by being invested in lots of pvp units can generally run anything, my main missing one atm is mana and soda

oh and quiry

be a shame if my cat girl team doesn't get much use anymore though they were expensive lol

[grand plaza]

Quiry is meta? I mean even for stall team she doesn't look good

[shell hazel]

nah but she is a pvp unit who can work there

[north brook]

Quiry just for stall but tbh id not worry too much about her rn

[valid inlet]

True, hope Nero would get treasure soon

[shell hazel]

yeah if I was going to build a random not built pvp unit it would prob be soda next just for her rng stun

[north brook]

Stall already expensive

Ya after vesti im gonna build soda

[grand plaza]

My priorities are straight

I want Volume treasure for.. reasons

[shell hazel]

I have the main stall comp more or less done

SR-15 and skills and OL's and such

[north brook]

Cheese rng is perfect for spa def

[shell hazel]

I don't think it would beat my whale anyway so I'm not doing it yet, vesti now

also don't want to give them ideas 😄

vesti banner up for another couple of weeks anyway Jinn you can play the wait and see game a bit

see if we get any details on the timings for re-runs or how the RE units may look

[grand plaza]

Yeah fair, I was thinking maybe I can use her for SR as well but I highly doubt I can stay inside %3 without rapipi

[shell hazel]

no chance

also it's bugged and they may wind up closing it anyway

more pity materials please shifty up 😄

[lunar pawn]

Pls no

[grand plaza]

I don't think so, but hopefully yeah

[lunar pawn]

Only mobile access now, can't redo my score on pc

Destroying those eyes on mobile will be pepega, 5000 retries

[north brook]

I have to make my def as good as possible so the ppl 40 lvls below me dont send me down to chal 7 xd

While im fighting a 3 way battle for chal 3

[grand plaza]

Damn I need to improve my defense as well, I can't defend 4-7 anymore

[shell hazel]

i'm locked in a fight for chal 1 / chal 2 with my local whale 😄

[north brook]

My reshuffle was really bad, had very chill top 3 before but it added 1 more competitive player and 1 more mega whale

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message

yeah that's basically what I had as well, one added mega whale and 1 skill issued spender

[grand plaza]

I was managing my 6th spot but now there is someone that always online or something. Max I can keep my spot is one hour, then they beat me back

Does mobile send a notification when you are defeated?

[north brook]

The guy with core max competitive pvp teams 40 lvls ahead wasnt enough, now we have another whale 100 lvls above us

[shell hazel]

guessing you can't beat the guy +100 sync? if so impressive and they must not be that invested outside of core maxes?

[north brook]

No notifs, they are probably just anticipating ull attack them since its when u norm do

[grand plaza]

I tried several different hours lol, always same 1 hour~ response

[north brook]

That much is just they auto attack once and ur team wipes

[shell hazel]

it's not that hard for me to keep an eye on my rank whilst I'm awake, mobile resumes the game basically instantly

so I could also camp/gem if I wanted to always take back fast, but it's not worth it, I just use my free tries

[north brook]

But his teams are still decent just not super competitive

Like he still runs the best units its not like running 5rl stuff

[shell hazel]

luckily my whale takes breaks and appears to go off for hours at a time or I'd never be able to hold chal 1 for long

but if they keep spending at a higher rate I'll get gapped out eventually

[grand plaza]

That was how I was keeping my 6th spot, not anymore :/

[shell hazel]

but yeah can't hold it if your opponent is that lazer focused and wants the spot and is willing to gem for it

hit just before reset if you can, it means you start at the higher spot

and then you can hit back twice in the day at some point, just vary a bit when that is

[grand plaza]

Yeah gonna do that next season, but still I doubt I can earn more time than him in the end

Btw there will be another shuffle next one right?

[shell hazel]

SPA shuffle is every 3 months sorry to say

and if it goes like this one did it's not going to be a good thing lol

probably just +1 or +2 whales :9

so our next shuffle is likely november ish

[grand plaza]

Tallying is not shuffling?

[shell hazel]

tallying is just summing up the scores and rewards

we just had the shuffle not even 2 weeks ago, it's every 3 months for sure

[grand plaza]

But I thought it was showing shuffles on the calendar

Like for example previous calendar only shows once

[north brook]

tbh theres only a few server groups u can get matched with, so its really just random if u get a good shuffle or not

[shell hazel]

nope not a shuffle

[north brook]

they will always be around same start date

and ya shuffle is really too infrequent

[shell hazel]

they probably expand the range when people stop playing, or they have to anyway

[north brook]

u get stuck with same group forever

well for mine, ive been grouped with these ppl before, and then got shuffled out of their group, and now back in

[shell hazel]

most of the people competitive in my early SPA days aren't anymore

[north brook]

but this leviathan used to only be around 60~80 lvls ahead 9mo ago

[shell hazel]

they fell off as more people got shuffled in and they stopped being ahead of the curve

yeah you can't stop a leviathan from just running away with the win, no effort or skill just pure spending 😛

[north brook]

one of the ppl i think fell down in level so now hes same level bracket as me instead of 20 ahead, but he invested his pvp teams more than me

ya one of these guys went from being a low spender to a whale too, i went from outleveling him by 40 since i was a dolphin when i started, to him now 40 ahead of me

[shell hazel]

nature of the gacha I suppose, I want to stay in CA if possible is my main goal, right now in this shuffle it's basically assured I can

but in the future some could start whaling or some new whales shuffled in, it gets harder

I'll keep competitive as long as I can do so - maybe some day we'll get top 10 can into CA then staying top 4 gets less contested

[grand plaza]

I honestly doubt all top 10 would be interested to create teams and whatever

[shell hazel]

it opens it to a wider portion of the player base and means that even some giga whales can't stop you competing. I'd see top 10 as a major win for the smaller players

[north brook]

ya top 10 or even top 6 or 8 would be ideal

[shell hazel]

if you get unlucky you could be knowledgeable/well invested but your top 4 are whales and you can't win due to sync

so this would let you do so, and even if guys at 8/9/10 don't care as much, they get auto teams anyway

not like they even need you to do anything, if you don't then your 1-3 SPA teams get sent and 4-5 get auto made

[grand plaza]

Sure but without any real rewards.. idk

Btw why this is red

[shell hazel]

whole mode has no rewards but I still like watching my teams fighting

click the quantum top right you can set the links for jackal

[grand plaza]

Oh ok, kinda feels pointless I guess but whatever

[glad meteor]

It’s nice update, could help new people visually learn

[grand plaza]

Need a suggestion

These are my 2 teams

How would you create 3rd from these

[north brook]

mbe swap alice for drake to make that team 3rl, and cp pad 3rd team

something like suicidal mihara p1 and pray

[grand plaza]

2nd team pretty much guaranteed 3rl with jackal + quantums?

[north brook]

guess it prob is with bug rn ya mbe need to test it

[grand plaza]

This is feed of 5rl nikkes, since I have 2 next to them it is guaranteed even without quantums I think

[jagged mesa]

@placid bloom

bout time

[spiral onyx]

If Scarlet is linked to Jackal and Jackal gets Biscuit indom'd, does Scarlet still counter attack? Yes right?

[swift mango]

Long time no see

[strong hull]

Quite busy with raid out there

And coop

[swift mango]

10% and done.

For both

[swift mango]

How are you?

[strong hull]

Life suck im dying out there

[jagged mesa]

guys, someone broke through my defense in rookie now cuz they have noah and i still dont, im thinking of setting up an interim indom defense with what units i have

need a bit of advice on link interaction

[swift mango]

Take care. Maybe try to get to CA once before it's over.

[jagged mesa]

jackal link final atk,

sbs 83k atk, drake 87k atk, helm 93k atk

is the atk stat on the character profile factoring in OL atk rolls? and if not, will final atk simply take the 2 units with the highest atk AFTER OL atk% is applied?

my drake has 0 atk rolls, but my sbs has 2 11.81% atk rolls, which would put her as link prio

nvm i can shooting range test this ignore

[raven plover]

yes its after, the character screen doesnt include that

[shell hazel]

yeah best to do a mock battle and check

also have to factor in how much health everyone on the link has

lowest hp gets indom outside of blanc

[north brook]

ya think my trina stole link from blanc for that

had more atk% ol

[jagged mesa]

yeah im looking at the hp, my sbs is just below my R0 jackal

what are the odds p3 and p4 get chunked enough to steal indom, almost 0 with p1 jackal p2 sbs and p5 helm link right?

which units can bypass this?

[shell hazel]

blanc doesn't want to be part of the jackal link necessarily

[jagged mesa]

blanc isnt part of the link, its jackal sbs helm at p1 p2 p5

[shell hazel]

I meant for this one #pvp-arena message

[jagged mesa]

ooh

[shell hazel]

not that much can bypass 1/2/5 for damaging you ahead of burst

with blanc at 3 or 4 and her not being able to indom herself

usually the lowest hp highest atk unit gets the link on indom

[jagged mesa]

yeah

now im wondering what RL i should be aiming for, sec

[shell hazel]

just always have to check who she links with as some unexpected units can steal it if they have good atk OLs and your dps has none

[jagged mesa]

i just checked, only reason my sbs will get indom is two atk rolls while drake has 0

[shell hazel]

it's not the indom it's the link

indom doesn't take atk into account

link does

link is what you want as it controls how much damage your main dps take

[jagged mesa]

i meant link, and indom by extension. the hp condition is also cleared yeah

[swift mango]

I see you are in need new def? Screenshot you box or send your blablalink Nikke. So I could cook you one.

[jagged mesa]

im gucci on the link itself, now i need to consider cp diff and also who to put in p4. im thinking drake for cp, and also to raise my speed since it's a 2RL noah cindy comp im up against

what's the slowest speed an indom sbs comp can get away with against 2rl cindy noah?

[shell hazel]

you can put the teams into nikke.work

and see for yourself

if that cindy comp has biscuit forget it

[jagged mesa]

ooh thanks for reminding me, i havent checked out that site yet

[shell hazel]

biscuit will nullify your SBS and you lose anyway

[jagged mesa]

wait why?

[shell hazel]

biscuit things

[jagged mesa]

double s2 on cindy? or

i dont see how that goes because biscuit would be long dead before the second s2 applies

[shell hazel]

you'll have a real hard time cutting through biscuit and defender with sbs indom

nah she won't if noah bursts, basically immune for a while

[jagged mesa]

id assume biscuit would be dead right as noah invuln expires

[shell hazel]

no because a defender will taunt SBS and then biscuit makes them immune, you'll pointlessly be doing nothing

[jagged mesa]

i get it in theory but 10s of SBS is still a surplus of 5s on biscuit invuln

[shell hazel]

I mean run/record for science but don't expect it to win

[grand plaza]

I think your best bet is Blanc against that

[jagged mesa]

im curious to see but they dont have biscuit in their line up

if they do ill be sure to check it out

[shell hazel]

2.5RL sbs indom should be fine against 2RL cindy/noah

as long as you actually are 2.5RL anyway

cindy has a delay in her aoe landing, and you don't necessarily want to go too fast because you need their Noah to end

[jagged mesa]

i could toss in biscuit for this, but i dont see a point in that. alternatively i toss in drake and go 2rl or 2.5rl depending on whether i put quantum cube in or not

actually it would be 2rl anyways because of jackal

[shell hazel]

it would be likely yes

even without quantums

[strong hull]

Will do

[shell hazel]

Redtracer absent lately, maybe he's looking after this horse girls 🐴

[jagged mesa]

yeah, i would feed the hell out of their p5 jackal though but i doubt that makes a difference, not gonna be 1.5rl for them right? even if so, 2rl anyways

with drake i mean

[shell hazel]

I mean you both have jackal so kind of nulls out

[jagged mesa]

👍

[shell hazel]

you probably feed a bit more but you're probably in time anyway

if you put the teams into nikke.work and set the links it can say what the feed is like

[jagged mesa]

yeah im gonna check it out now

[grand plaza]

I would keep Biscuit tbh if CP diff is not huge

[jagged mesa]

and also figure out why their p1 noah is dodging my siren stun sometimes

[shell hazel]

if it's 2RL noah/cindy then they just need some CS and Noah can dodge it always

[jagged mesa]

it's kinda big, though i dont see a point in biscuit besides protecting the untargeted blanc

[shell hazel]

biscuit here not doing loads but may help you survive a bit post indom as she makes jackal immune as well

[swift mango]

Holy 1 pull

[shell hazel]

slows you down a little also which might be a good thing

[shell hazel]

-# and the other 300 before it

[jagged mesa]

i pulled 350 across 3 accounts for one vesti....

[swift mango]

[jagged mesa]

across all 3 i got modernia, 2x miharaOS, 1x sbs, 4-5x tetra golds, and now i finally land vesti

noah still MIA

[shell hazel]

that is a very high overspec/pilgrim rate

[jagged mesa]

yes, ridiculous right? all dupes though

[swift mango]

That's real lucky.

[shell hazel]

my pulls to pilgrim/overspec have been terrible

[grand plaza]

I think my last pull without mileage was Rapunzel and it was half anniv, and previous one months ago before that

[jagged mesa]

would rather have vesti'd in the first 50 and save for the crazy amount of upcoming banners

especially since theyre dupes, and most of it was on my other two accounts that i care less about

1x miharaOS on this account, which ill take i guess

[swift mango]

My last time pulling one was Stella blade, 150 pulls for the ass shake and Harran.

[jagged mesa]

if i can land noah and leona ill be good to just chill on standard pulls and stock up for new banners entering wishlist

or just noah would be great

[shell hazel]

not sure you really need leona here

so yeah noah

[jagged mesa]

i dont but i love the idea of specialized teams like shotgun teams, i dont want to use grave there

[grand plaza]

At least nice ass shake

[jagged mesa]

actually, what's the latest on vesti in indom vs. sbs in indom?

[swift mango]

I'm done with the extra Nikke reward so I'm just not pulling standard anymore.

[jagged mesa]

extra nikke reward?

the 100 coin thing for liter naga alice?

[swift mango]

Yeah

[jagged mesa]

ahh, im not stopping until i finally pull noah. i have hime and folian cheering me on until i do

[grand plaza]

I do it treasure to treasure, last one 170 pulls 0 pilgrims or any new nikke I was hoping for. It was a sad day.

[swift mango]

Treasure Alice, she needs it.

[grand plaza]

Treasure Volume

https://tenor.com/view/dog-toy-twerk-what-butt-gif-4580835

[swift mango]

With her crit rate she would either become good for SG teams or Arena.

[grand plaza]

Ever since helm I expect everything tbh, they can add one thing and suddenly make her broken

or it can be yet another milk

[swift mango]

But it's hard to make something to compete with Tove rn so probably not anytime soon

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-lets-goo-gif-11742735383203550293

[grand plaza]

Well, if offburst is good enough it doesn't need to

[swift mango]

Her crit rate come from her burst

[grand plaza]

@shell hazel Lmao called it

[onyx scaffold]

what is red border?

[grand plaza]

Looks like if you click right top + and select who to be linked

[onyx scaffold]

oh jackal link ty

[grand plaza]

Imo pointless

[swift mango]

Look at Prydwen depending their waifu to the very end.

[onyx scaffold]

it is not clear enough to be useful

[grand plaza]

I know but thats why I said I expect everything. Her first skill is totally dead right now, but maybe they can make it broken like helms etc.

[swift mango]

People barely use ASS champ or SpA def anymore.

Even before vesti

[shell hazel]

yeah I don't think she'd get much use in our SPA even if she was out, and we lack some other stuff like Emi

[onyx scaffold]

her usage still higher than Rei but i agree with SS

[grand plaza]

That site definitely needs better job explaining things

[shell hazel]

SS is probably still too high

[north brook]

surprised they didnt bump cinderella

[swift mango]

Maybe a bit higher in SpA. But about same in Champ.

[shell hazel]

probably S rank

[north brook]

ive never seen reit in pvp

[onyx scaffold]

u think S is not too low?

[north brook]

thats not a real unit

[grand plaza]

I feel like at this point there are more than enough good b3 for pvp and what matters more is good b1/2's.

[north brook]

maybe if ur in newer server but ya

[shell hazel]

I think S is fair based on how useful she looks but I don't have her

[swift mango]

Idk, maybe your bracket doesn't have champ who use ReiT often.

[onyx scaffold]

the problem with anis is that she is seasonal units. i cannot c7 her

[shell hazel]

you can in September 😛

[onyx scaffold]

a multi will do?

[north brook]

nah long time players never invested reit for anything

[grand plaza]

In this economy??

[shell hazel]

just 10 single pulls with an SSR on each one

and you got core max s.anis if you already had her

[grand plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/kolow-gif-22856605

[shell hazel]

yup 😄

[swift mango]

Surely this guy is not a day one player in a day one group at all.

[north brook]

sanis def fallen off in meta tho

[swift mango]

@raven plover looks familiar?

[north brook]

thats crazy, first one ive seen xd

my ca is all copy paste teams

[swift mango]

He is champ in first group in SEA. The max core level 900+ whale.

[north brook]

stall, sg rosa, cindy noah, glass scar, and emi/sbs indom for a long time, basically 0 reit

[raven plover]

[swift mango]

[raven plover]

he is insane, he went from barely any sr15 to all sr15 after he lost on top 64 two season ago

bro even sr15 makima and pepper wtf

[swift mango]

His pepper probably could snipe your Scarlet like Rossana does.

[north brook]

yeah idk if leviathans best cook for efficient builds tho

[swift mango]

Idk, I champed 3 times with ReiT.

[raven plover]

I didnt check that one unfortunately

[north brook]

guess should be kinda moot now tho

think ya for a bracket from after sanis initial release, other cope options would have more room, tbh tho sanis falling off is def because of stall comp in addition to her scar weakness

[grand plaza]

Power of whale

[raven plover]

well hes lv 900+

[worthy sorrel]

clearly f2p though. it says it right there

[onyx scaffold]

shift up needs to release more solo raid units to gate those ppl

[strong hull]

@swift mango

time to work

[strange linden]

they're saying two ammos stats is needed but how much? I got two ammo stats but it's 60% and 40% lol

[shell hazel]

my whale changed to indom vesti but I think this just loses to a better indom still, plus they're kind of slow with siren

[shell hazel]

scar 2rl should just kill that vesti indo with how slow it is

[swift mango]

What's your goal? Def against similar level or CP gap low level?

[sterile matrix]

How to grt this ?

[strong hull]

Against similar lvl

[glad meteor]

Jackal is bugged though

Double gen from feed

[shell hazel]

true enough

[swift mango]

Gotta be hard.

[glad meteor]

But vesti and cs is still interesting

[shell hazel]

wonder what I should send then, think rapi indom still wins if I get the timing right

they got siren so giga feed my jackal as well

[glad meteor]

I was thinking of rosa comp maybe

[shell hazel]

rosa feeds a lot as well

[grand plaza]

For Vesti? It should be multipliers of %50 so %100 sounds good

(basically you should have multipliers of 4 ammo, 8 12 16 etc)

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Technically better to skip vesti and hit other 2 maybe

[shell hazel]

vesti in indom will just lose due to charge speed and RL travel time vs a similar rapi indom

I think I can reliably beat it tbh, just need the right comp

[strong hull]

[glad meteor]

Indom vs indom. Good luck 🫡

[whole pawn]

can someone help me make def teams for spa? almost every pvp unit i have is full oled and have a doll (almost)

[jagged mesa]

would you guys say a 2rl sbs indom is a solid defense for rookie? as opposed to 2rl cindy/scarlet

weakness being 2.5rl or 3rl indoms and idk what else

[glad meteor]

Can just rotate if it loses, it may or may not catch the opponent off guard. They’ll prob just noah biscuit it though

[shell hazel]

haha, I think with the right team it will work just as RL is so poor at reload/travel/charge time etc, AR/MG is super quick to finish off

[glad meteor]

I used to think

Noise noah rumani bisc cindy was one of the better rookie comps since people’s scar used to fail against it

But I think mirror cindy noah with besti and win

[shell hazel]

if not then I could indom rapi into the cindy team

rapi should blow them all up once noah ends

[glad meteor]

Yeah it becomes fire rate diff when indom vs indom

[covert lintel]

Is x4 crit good for vesti?

[jagged mesa]

actually should i consider rapi as my indom instead of sbs?

i wonder if sbs 3rd hit can one-shot a biscuit if they forget to endurance cube it before noah can burst in that situation

i got biscuit from tetra mold, she heard me talking about her

[swift mango]

Vesti exist = SBS to the trash can.

[jagged mesa]

my vesti not built, but also ive been out of the loop for a while. what's the benefit of vesti > sbs

burst gen?

[swift mango]

Doesn't automatically die to Noah+Biscuit. Actually win against it 95% the time.

[shell hazel]

what would you propose to beat t1 or t2 with btw? my own noise/rumani/cindy/helmt/noah are tied up with t3/scar 2rl

[swift mango]

She deal multi hit so even Crit dmg could be good without 4 Crit rate first

[jagged mesa]

simply because she can hit all 5 in burst and sbs may run out of steam before 10s because she relies on hit 3 to hit the rest of the team?

[glad meteor]

i was thinking what to use against that one secc. I deleted sc

[covert lintel]

I got crit rate 3rd line for 2 equipment
Should i aim for x4 crit?

[jagged mesa]

idgi im still not understanding the interaction between noah biscuit that beats sbs indom, and why vesti gets around that LOL

[swift mango]

Against Noah biscuit sbs deals zero dmg.

[shell hazel]

I have 2 tries but want to try and ensure at least one them wins 😛

I'll run them later on and can record etc

[jagged mesa]

ok let me try again, is it the massive defense buff noah provides the team?

[shell hazel]

don't necessarily care if I win all 3 just need to get 2 and move on

[glad meteor]

This was what I was thinking but dk if it’ll win

In t2 the plan is to kill siren for sacc

[jagged mesa]

biscuit protect noah, noah protect team for 3s and def up, sbs distributed not enough to finish off rest of team for remainder 7s of burst?

[shell hazel]

no shot on t1 my bay is not built

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

t3 my vesti isn't ready yet

don't have much leeway for cp as they're +30 sync with whale core maxes

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Cindy comp with whale advantage is harder to scar jack too

[shell hazel]

why i'm thinking maybe I just indom rapi it

especially if I can get RH buff in should just smash them after noah ends

[glad meteor]

Indom rapi vs Cindy?

[shell hazel]

yes possibly

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

it's pretty slow, depending on how much cs they have, 2.5 - 3RL

[glad meteor]

Sanis less bracket too eh

[shell hazel]

should catch it in time

with RH buff on for rapi dmg amp as well

thier team is low feed though

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Just worry not enough damage

[shell hazel]

rapi hits all 5 as well

biscuit immunity can't really keep up by the time noah/indom ends I think

biscuit herself should just die inthe splash damage

[glad meteor]

Ele adv over 4 nikkes is nice

[fathom rock]

I felt the rrh so came here

[shell hazel]

[swift mango]

But Noise can keep up. gl.

[shell hazel]

well I could siren the noise instead of rh

similar gen, means they b1 with rumani instead

[swift mango]

Then not enough dmg.

[shell hazel]

possibly so indeed, bear in mind biscuit doesn't protect noise once noah ends

[swift mango]

Noise burst heals even if she ded.

[shell hazel]

what would you propose sending instead? I linked the comps above

[swift mango]

Just send Vesti and hope the best.

[shell hazel]

lol

no chance, mine really isn't ready, no atk lines :p

I think just gaming their vesti indom is likely the most reliable win, I really don't think she's that great in a defensive indom role

[swift mango]

Doesn't need no ATK. Blanc+RH already slay

Or scarjack it with siren.

[shell hazel]

3rd OL on vesti is actually decent though, can work with this one

will take a line 3 CS%

[shell hazel]

what would you run against t1/t2 exactly?

[swift mango]

Team 1: just common Cindy+Noah 2rl.

Team 2: could just indom scarlet or Rapipi, doesn't need buffer.

Or just Rossanna it

[shell hazel]

t3 with scar I am already cindy/noah it, is that what you mean?

maybe I need numbers on them 😛

right yep it's backwards vs how I see them

team 1 - 2rl scarlet I just beat with 2rl noah/cindy that is fine
team 2 - vesti indom, I was going to rapi indom this but I need to ensure the timings

I could scar indom it instead but similar concept need to ensure I'm not first out of indom

[strange linden]

Is that really the vesti counter? lmao

[whole pawn]

any help in here?

[covert lintel]

Vesti is ez

[shell hazel]

I don't know I've not run it yet, no point until later because guy will just take it back 😛

but I do know that vesti isn't great against a slightly slower indom of another kind, too much charge/travel time for her rockets

[whole pawn]

@tropic summit

[shell hazel]

@hollow lagoon think I'm ready to go to final areas on my SB run. Done all the side stuff I can be bothered with lol, even all the fishing.
Got 68 camps discovered so looks like it's the right count to hit the full count by the end

45 cans and I know there are 4 more in the final bits as well so that will be done in this run

[hollow lagoon]

Ur allowed to miss moo well anyways

I didn’t even do my 3rd run yet

[whole pawn]

@swift mango

[placid bloom]

good thing I am not CA enjoyer anymore so I don't need to waste my pulls like this but grats

[glad meteor]

Imagine blanc dies do vesti autos

I forgot about that lol

[shell hazel]

I figure actually maybe essentially a mirror comp with rapi instead of vesti just wins it

problem is wind dps in 1-3

might try this then, I think I'm safe here, 1/2/3 link and blanc won't get nuked by autos no matter how strong the vesti is, no wind in 1-3 either

I feed them a little more, but they feed me with siren, jackal eats the stun and moran DR kicks in for good measure

actually I would avoid the stun here altogether so maybe switch moran to p1

I realise it's the wrong vesti on the other side but with feed and speeds I don't think it matters much, they should b1 a bit before I do, but they'll come in at a similar enough time that my b2 should fire before vesti can kill rapi

wonder when we'll get accurate representation of new vesti as this site is sorely missing it to check what the new metas are doing

[shell hazel]

my plan was kind of completionist run 1 and then more victory lap run 2/3 speed run lol