pvp-arena

[short moon]

:< im trying but shiftup isn't giving me more upgrade mats

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

I have 2/4 OL done and I hope to get all 4 just in time but it will be super basic

we got 5 days basically

[swift mango]

look as me get 4 hit rate on her.

[umbral belfry]

you guys don't save in advance?

[shell hazel]

4d 5h for next season + 1 day prep

[shell hazel]

I have hit rate and def so far 😄

[shell hazel]

no I need all my resources to keep me in the fight against the whale in my SPA

[short moon]

How to save when main team isn't even +5 OL yet

[umbral belfry]

the

[umbral belfry]

[short moon]

I'm still +4

[shell hazel]

+30 sync +200k power

[umbral belfry]

me when i invested more into nero stall vs my campaign team

[swift mango]

none of my unit is +5 *4

[umbral belfry]

i have no regrets

[umbral belfry]

let judas have a turn

[swift mango]

me when 1/3 of my rock went to scarlet for nothing.

[shell hazel]

judas never wins

other guy is winning only as he is way higher level I think 😄

[gritty ridge]

So far my bready team is undefeated in rookie

[short moon]

🤔 bready for pvp?

[swift mango]

Vesti is bready power creep too

[umbral belfry]

each day we grow closer to converting blood to a vesti user

[shell hazel]

thing is my whale can't win this spa I've had spot 1 for too much of the time

[gritty ridge]

Shes fire, bready eats her no?

[shell hazel]

so I got 1 this time, it may be they just cp gap me later but I keep on smashing them whilst I can 😄

[swift mango]

I will use vesti but That's that.

[umbral belfry]

we did it chat

[shell hazel]

when blood pfp is vesti we have truly won

[swift mango]

I like base vesti but not that much.

[shell hazel]

yet....

[swift mango]

I said base because I don't even like New vesti as much.

[shell hazel]

@gritty ridge want to trade?

[gritty ridge]

Shes already c7, what would I use that for

[shell hazel]

coaster? 🙁

[swift mango]

A nikke spare body could be used as 'decoration" for commander best room.

[shell hazel]

what you got for trade bigboi?

[swift mango]

I want elegg spare bodies.

[gritty ridge]

So true

[gritty ridge]

Centi

[shell hazel]

damn I'd take that

[gritty ridge]

Yeah battery dupes are always nice

[strange linden]

Does Vesti needs CS?

[gritty ridge]

Everybody needs cs

Even rosanna

[glad meteor]

Some people prioritise atk crit instead

[pseudo mason]

Would putting jackal in here help in general with a 20k power drop?

[swift mango]

it's best to get 2 ammo 1+cs. The rest whatever

[dim sapphire]

so whats the verdict about cs on her?

[shell hazel]

[swift mango]

0% if you don't care about her burst gen and wanted RH to buff her first volley.

[shell hazel]

imagine rolling cs on rosanna 😄

[dim sapphire]

still no new Tabsolute on the deck

[glad meteor]

T vesti is there

[fathom rock]

Padaxin now in 7th and relics guy in 5th implying he used 1 attack meaning if I hit him twice he won't hit back unless gemming but exposed to risk of padaxin hitting me with his 1 left try since he can't beat 4th, worth?

Update relic used both his attack attempts I should probably hit him

[glad meteor]

Jwoz no ca frem?

[fathom rock]

He lost

[placid bloom]

[glad meteor]

ah

[placid bloom]

Choked at the last round

[fathom rock]

[glad meteor]

Noah get’s stunned interestingly lol

[fathom rock]

I just want her for gen lmao

What target skip does

[umbral belfry]

nah he choked at using 3rl moran bay

couldn't catch tabi's scar

[fathom rock]

[pale knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-minions-popcorn-day-laugh-gif-5026739

[thin abyss]

Does anyone know what that red border means?

[ivory violet]

damage link

when you click on the cube you can select which units are getting the dmg link

[sterile matrix]

what is that ?

[thin abyss]

Nikke deck

[ivory violet]

It's nikke-deck. It's for calculating burst gen for PvP

[sterile matrix]

Never heard about it

[swift mango]

@shell hazel

Vesti is exactly like Emi, s3lv7 is enough.

[sterile matrix]

Did vesti just kil the whole team ?

[glad meteor]

is it same if vesti is in p4

[swift mango]

I don't see the difference here.

[glad meteor]

I remember emi hitting all 5 was sometimes dpendant on position if under levelled, i dk who said burst need level 8 but was wondering if positioning could affect here

[spare nimbus]

Will 2 and 3 win?

[gritty ridge]

T3 yes

T2 depends on how strong your rosa is

[spare nimbus]

How strong does it need to be?

[gritty ridge]

30% atk iirc

[spare nimbus]

Yeah

[gritty ridge]

Should be good then

Id rather run bay against their t2 if im being honest

[spare nimbus]

My bay isn’t good

Not sure I even have OL

Yeah I only have 1 OL

[gritty ridge]

If its not cp deficit it doesnt matter tbh

[fathom rock]

What is stopping scar trina rh nuking t1 exactly

[spare nimbus]

Rh on team 3

[fathom rock]

Even liter would work lol

[gritty ridge]

Retro are you talking abt apponent t1

[fathom rock]

Yeah

[gritty ridge]

They have t.bay

[fathom rock]

But she isn't 2rl

[gritty ridge]

Oh

Then yeah you could

[spare nimbus]

So replace rh with liter and do scar Trina rh centi jackal t1?

[fathom rock]

Scar trina liter centi jackal

[spare nimbus]

Oh

[gritty ridge]

And then you could ignore t2

[spare nimbus]

Thanks for help guys

[gritty ridge]

[spare nimbus]

What about this dude?

[gritty ridge]

Hmmm, siren against t1 is a win, t2 try slower indom

[spare nimbus]

I was able to beat that last team with scar Trina rh noir jackal

[gritty ridge]

[spare nimbus]

I didn’t get to see the replay tho cause game crashed 😭

[gritty ridge]

It should be very fast atm cuz of jackal bug, idk how you beat it with scar

[spare nimbus]

I’m assuming sanis and blanc fed the crap out of me, rh+noir buffed the crap out of scarlet

[gritty ridge]

Yeah youd have to burst before blanc

Try this

They feed you much more than you feed them

You could also try helm burst for even less feed

The humble 1rl

[spare nimbus]

For which team?

[gritty ridge]

Thatd go against the sanis team

[spare nimbus]

But scar Trina rh noir jackal alr wins

[gritty ridge]

Yeah but you could win even better

[swift mango]

My Vesti 4 rocks.

1 ATK
1 Ele
1 ammo
0 CS .

Not the best, not the worst either. Guess I would have to make do without CS.

[spare nimbus]

I need to beat the other team tho

[gritty ridge]

Blood i gotta go work on my car, could you cook rq?

[gritty ridge]

This might work

Can't do typical indom cuz of bisc

Defending Cindy loses her decoy and noah so should get wiped

[spare nimbus]

Is vigor or temp better on noise?

[pulsar halo]

Need def team for sp arena

[swift mango]

Indom duels and Vesti wouldn't win.

[gritty ridge]

Temp iirc

[spare nimbus]

Ah I had vigor on her

What about her skills?

[gritty ridge]

Ah thats a great question

[spare nimbus]

I have her 787

[gritty ridge]

Idk off the top of my head

[spare nimbus]

So something like this I guess

[swift mango]

Nope. Replace Noir with LapT.

[spare nimbus]

But that team won before

Why lapt tho? Instead of noir

[swift mango]

Well, if you won with deficit then fine. Keep it.

First team would lose anyway so I wanted to buff team 3 CP more. That's it.

[spare nimbus]

[gritty ridge]

Blood is better at pvp than me too so if he contradicts anything I said he's probably right

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-disappear-bye-felicia-bye-spectro-gif-4780633

I said nothing, I wasn't even here.

[gritty ridge]

Dont make me un-unping you

[pulsar halo]

.

[gritty ridge]

Ill cook you something in a bit, is 3rd screenshot highest power?

[pulsar halo]

Yup

• upgrade scarlett and trina a bit

[gritty ridge]

Do you have any chargespeed on anyone?

15% minimum

[pulsar halo]

Alice and red hood

[ionic rose]

guys do you see this? this means the lore accurate way of team building Besti is with Blanc!

Because they are in fact Bestis!

[quick lake]

[gritty ridge]

Rheax

Halp

Im stuck

[ionic rose]

why no besti

u doing sp arena right

[gritty ridge]

#pvp-arena message this is what im cooking with

Yeah spa defenses

His batteries are nonexistent

So im lost

Ive got like

T.lap

[ionic rose]

put maiden in team 1

[gritty ridge]

Its looking like a 2 team situation

[quick lake]

For Inaho? @pulsar halo post ur box without filtering by burst

Just normal filter by cp

[gritty ridge]

Yeah that would also help alot

The burst filtering is confusing

[ionic rose]

i think for team 3 he can take out biscuit, put noise in p1 and add a siren

so that biscuit can go in team 2, then maybe add centi and pepper to team 2

[ionic rose]

how about this?

[quick lake]

Scar lapT Drake Trina Jackal
Noise Noah Cindy THelm Centi
Blanc SBS biscuit xmaid Rumani

[pulsar halo]

Thanks!

[quick lake]

Helm burst in cindy team kinda sus

[pulsar halo]

Lol

[ionic rose]

oh crap i didnt properly position, also the blanc should be p1

[quick lake]

Trina to 4/10/4
Maybe can consider getting vesti

[ionic rose]

*Besti

[pulsar halo]

I have her

[quick lake]

4/10/4-7 Vesti 4OL at least 1 cs%

[pulsar halo]

The new one right?

[quick lake]

Yep! Vesti tact up

[ionic rose]

*BESTI

[quick lake]

She’s pvp menace

[pulsar halo]

And which one do I change it with?

[quick lake]

Can probably invest in her for higher cp

[ionic rose]

#pvp-arena message
Put Besti with Blanc

[pulsar halo]

Instead of xmaiden?

[quick lake]

Swap out SBS for vesti

[ionic rose]

when shes invested

Besti with 2 OL gear does more damage than a maxed out sbs

[pulsar halo]

K

[ionic rose]

like my Besti with only 3 OL gear at lv 0 can take down a tank team that sbs can't even kill a single member

[gritty ridge]

How would vesti do against bready

[ionic rose]

idk what bready does

[gritty ridge]

Win

[ionic rose]

highly perchance

[ionic rose]

i mean in indom fights who ever burst faster loses

[gritty ridge]

Can I not put cs on pascal btw?

[quick lake]

cs% overall just nice to have. Pascal mostly a CA unit like sr Anis

[ionic rose]

yeah pascal has no charge speed he shoots like a shotgun

[gritty ridge]

Ah I see

[quartz rover]

since i've got helmt now, I can probably catch up to them right

[hollow lagoon]

U should

[quartz rover]

whats the normal strat vs a 3rl scarlet that has no jackal

something like this?

Right they have siren

how's this?

their team 3 isnt even 4rl

ein got linked cause she has 23% atk ol

dont mind the border on the video, messed up my obs settings, dunno how to work it

I put sbs in p3 cause I wasnt sure how noah taunt worked

[swift mango]

Lick my finger

[umbral crown]

[ionic rose]

*suck

[radiant storm]

How fast is Vesti Tact's gen?

[swift mango]

Want:
4 AtK 4 Crit 1 ammo 1 Ele 2 crit dmg

Get:
4 AtK 4 Crit 1 ammo 3 Ele.

Oh well.

My Scarlet is kinda done

[quick lake]

5.85%, 11.7% is >5% cs, at 2rl

[quick lake]

Yay finally!

[swift mango]

I still need to reroll attributes when I have the time.

But she is 3rd highest CP in my roster now after helm and DKW.

[quick lake]

My mihara almost done today

hopefully more atk

[swift mango]

I hope I got more blue lines on my scar, only 2 blue atk.

[quick lake]

why not invest in besti now

[umbral crown]

blood is investing, just not gonna say it to surprise people in CA

[swift mango]

I just wanted to finish my Scarlet. CA I'm not gonna win anyway

[umbral crown]

why? you got into a new bracket and now you are C6?

[swift mango]

Nah, c3 always. I could beat c1-2 even. C1 mainly because he saved his box and only 60 lv diff instead of 80 like few months ago.

[swift mango]

I'm not gonna invested much into her. But I will try to get one CS line I guess.

[umbral crown]

do it

[vapid mica]

what is laplace treasure skill lvl and overload investment for pvp?

[quick lake]

4/10/4
4 ele 4atk 2-3cs

Funny Milk Besti comp

[twilit bay]

Is the bug where jackal shares damage even when made Invincible by biscuit still present?

[quick lake]

Its a feature afaik. Invuln unit (eg Jackal/Bay) doesnt take dmg, but units having dmg share continue to take dmg

Someone can correct me if im mistaken

[twilit bay]

I see, It wasn't like that before bay-t though, right?

I might just be hallucinating

[quick lake]

It was like this before BayT

[twilit bay]

[dim sapphire]

can vesti get rid of 2.5 rl helm nero/moran

[quick lake]

Possibly
#pvp-arena message

[umbral crown]

I would say just mega buffed, so far the 2 RL bestis i have fought with my nero moran team never has lost yet, thats with nero version.

Also i do not trust mana in a nero moran comp

[fast jetty]

if i use noah for team 1, how do i deal with team 2 and/or 3?

good enough cook?

my attack and defense cook has been bad for long

bye bye champion arena
also bye to my 30x reset stone for charge speed

[gritty ridge]

Idk why I had so much trouble with this team

Something about their team is weird tho, double buff scar cant wipe and their siren almost outhealed double redhood burst

[rain totem]

Need some help first team can win but cant beat the other 2

[swift mango]

Core +7 40% ATK 16 ammo and Blanc. Should be enough.

Maybe add some Crit.

[quick void]

can someone help me build 3 teams for arena

i keep losing 😭

[glad meteor]

Could use b1 buffer instead maybe

[rich quail]

I need to rework my Lappy then

[quick void]

fr

pay to win

[umbral crown]

With blanc thats possible but without her all the variants have lost to nero team

[swift mango]

Keripo beat it with

RH buffed Vesti and Emi.

[umbral crown]

Even if people copy keripo s they lack C7 units and the investments

The people.who i would face

[swift mango]

I mean with enough dmg, beating Nero team start with killing Rapu with a wipe.

[umbral crown]

To win against nero team rapu needs to die

But is not happening for now

[swift mango]

Ah you mean my Vesti? 4 rock all I did

[swift mango]

Why 15 ammo.

[quick lake]

Pvp never ends

[swift mango]

Give your Vesti wingman or bastion.

[umbral crown]

Si

[umbral crown]

Tempura so she does not die to rosanna

SR15 units +Tempura do not die to rosanna unless water

[swift mango]

Not if SG took half of her HP through link first

[swift mango]

Vesti Indom need 16 ammo

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

Si

[swift mango]

Probably 20 if having enough CS.

[umbral crown]

Lets go for 24

[swift mango]

Maybe save that for ATK lines.

[umbral crown]

[quick lake]

yeah. will reroll ammo eventually

[spare nimbus]

any idea what made him lose the first time? this is my current defense

[quick lake]

Probably lost to Vesti, then targeted T1 and 2

[spare nimbus]

would this be a better team?

[shell hazel]

24? nah 28

[indigo sparrow]

whats the meaning of the 8% on Emilia icon and the electricity icons mean on other char?

[spare nimbus]

emilia has 8% charge speed

[indigo sparrow]

sorry im just new to that website so im confused with the icons haha

like what s10 means as well?

[spare nimbus]

units like helm and emilia have certain skills that helps generate more burst

s10 means that that skill is at 10

[indigo sparrow]

i see, got it thanks a lot for the explanation!

[glad glade]

How could you change the CS% on the site like that?

[spare nimbus]

click on the plus

[glad glade]

Ik about that, but more of what the lightning percentage is. Changing 15% to 18% for example

[spare nimbus]

u can't change that

[glad glade]

Ah ok

[north brook]

Think it just adds the threshold for each rl level

[rain totem]

Need some help first team can win but cant beat the other 2 teams

[quick lake]

They’re just the difference cs break points to aim for

[glad glade]

Ik. Its just that those breakpoints will be pretty useful in RL calcs since I have a 18% CS Helm

[quick lake]

Nikkework most accurate if u wanna look at effects of cs%

[glad glade]

Gotchu gotchu. Thanks

[jagged mesa]

Guys I set up a beginner vesti comp for my gf's account and now I want to ticket vesti

[shell hazel]

just do it I said ages ago 😄

[swift mango]

I did my best.

[wintry viper]

so out of the 3 new banners only vesti is must pull? or is it okay to just wishlist her?

[swift mango]

She is only good for Arena

[ivory violet]

Vesti is only must pull if you care about PvP and don't have other meta units

PvE she isn't anything special, if you have 2B built you can just run electric team in soloraids

[wintry viper]

for now i think I'm okay with PVP i want to focus on pushing hard campaign and raids

[swift mango]

And you can't win what you can't (CP) even with Vesti.

See all the fail AtK just because they have vesti.

[quick lake]

why ur bracket so noob

[swift mango]

They got CP gapped they are just that noobs.

[swift mango]

After I have some more Sr15 doll they won't hit me ever again.

[quick lake]

Hopefully in like 6months, I pull away in sync

Unga bunga pvp

[covert lintel]

my rosanna is so bricked

[quick lake]

That’s a lot of cp at least

[covert lintel]

All charge dmg in middle line

[delicate matrix]

what is the lower-left toggle on THelm on nikke-deck?

[shell hazel]

the coolest one

[swift mango]

Look just like mine. Even 10% more Ele.

[delicate matrix]

specifically it does this

[quick lake]

For you to toggle if u have cs% OL lines

[delicate matrix]

ic :o

how much cs does it take?

[ivory violet]

You have good 3rd lines on almost every piece she isn't that bad to reroll

[delicate matrix]

would I need like four cs lines

[quick lake]

As long as u have 8%/11% or more u can toggle it. U can press the (i) for more info top right

[delicate matrix]

oh ty!!

[covert lintel]

Your atk 22% too?

[quick lake]

8% is bare minimum, 11 also works

[delicate matrix]

[swift mango]

I'm chilling because PvE too hardcore for me.

[covert lintel]

3rocks for 50% chance each

[ivory violet]

does rosanna need anything besides like 1 ammo line and 4x atk? ig the stat padding is nice

[covert lintel]

4x atk 4x crit

[quick lake]

4atk, 8crit is u wanna minmax

[covert lintel]

But i got a lot of ED instead

[worthy sorrel]

was going to ask that as well. like blue crit rate feels like a nice way to maybe get lucky and steal a W, but you wouldn't just clean reroll the body for atk? or 1 lock the ele if you want to make sure you're killing helms?

[ivory violet]

fuq that there's no way I'm building a crtifish rosanna lol

but yea it sucks when you get awkward placements for certain lines rerolling 2nd line feels awful

[quick lake]

My rosanna kinda mid unit that ate the most rocks. 50+

Blood spent more, yea. brick scar

[swift mango]

Like less rock than my 11% Miden.

[delicate matrix]

no noah so I need a filler third team so uh does this work? (everyone but noise is very built already, except for no cs on helm yet, so it's highest cp by far)

idk what will happen with noise in practice

am just newish casual player looking for simple stuff

[quick lake]

Sync?

[delicate matrix]

220

[ivory violet]

Do you have bay? She's like a budget noah

[quick lake]

Ahh, i woukd swap laplace with THelm, then auto 3rd team

[delicate matrix]

[delicate matrix]

yep, is she worth building? treasuring?

[quick lake]

Bay not really. kinda mid

[ivory violet]

Also I'd move Cindy out of p1 in your team. Her decoy acts as another unit so RL units get 1.5x burst with her there

[delicate matrix]

[swift mango]

I use her in SpA.

[delicate matrix]

oh wait that makes it 2.5 RL?

[ivory violet]

I only suggest bay bc she can be pitied in the shop rn

but if these are for SP Arena defense you're better off just trying to CP gap the anklebiters underneath you

[swift mango]

Good heaven 200 gold ticket for bay.

[delicate matrix]

yea idk it's uh kinda for both..?
I only have the box and resource bandwidth to make like...three coherent teams tops

more like two with the third filler

[ivory violet]

Yeah most ppl do two good teams and one filler CP gap team

[delicate matrix]

so honestly I just plan on using scarlet and vesti for attacking, and then the same teams + a CP filler (w/ cindy) for defense

[ivory violet]

Even having 3 super invested PvP teams is kind of a lot unless you're a PvP enjoyer

[delicate matrix]

[ivory violet]

yeah prob not worht it for Mr. Curious Thing

[delicate matrix]

not that it matters, but
if I go full-on CP gap then my filler team would be this
spoilered for gore

[ivory violet]

At least yours can burst 💀

[delicate matrix]

LOL

my rapi is only a little higher than my anchor so I just threw her in instead

oki ty all, really happy I ended up pulling for vesti, I can have a little more peace of mind in pvp soon

[quick lake]

These teams should dominate SPA at ur sync if no CP gap

[atomic wolf]

remove biscuit

unfortunately

biscuit has been seeing less useful in comps that hits 3rl/2.5rl due to siren

honestly if anything you might as well run NVesti in place of cinderella

[late tiger]

if both teams have 2RL, at what threshold 2RL % would one team pull ahead of the other in burst?

[shell hazel]

2RL is generally 2RL regardless put the teams into nikke.work

[rustic sandal]

if you want to be faster than the other team you need charge speed

with more cs your 2rl will be faster than the enemy's 2rl

simply said your shots come out faster

this needs to be team wide charge speed you can't just only do helm like how you go from 3 to 2.5

[shell hazel]

you can speed up but your b3 won't come in before noah does on this type of comp still

and you need a ton of CS lol

adding rumani instead of RH for more battery, and giving all batteries 4 x black line + adjutant, and we can just about b3 before noah comes in

but if opponent also adds even a little CS can't anymore, I think it's a bit pointless chasing more than 2RL speed usually and costly to do, unless you really want to win that exact mirror match

[rustic sandal]

best thing to do is make sure you have enough charge speed to beat a 2.5 noah it's not so hard if your opponents don't invest much into pvp

if they do then it's over

[shell hazel]

you want cs on batteries generally long term but 20% odd is hard to get on everyone

[quick lake]

I would think 18% on everybody is nice end goal. Its exactly 4SG time so pairs well to SGs

[shell hazel]

yeah, getting more is tough though kind of worth on say HelmT

[rustic sandal]

going too hard into charge speed can screw you over in the championships when you fight a stall mirror

bursting a few frames earlier can decide a victory in your opponent's favor

also happens with indom mirror

noah/blanc/stall teams are pretty common

[shell hazel]

yeah, though I suppose it can help you in others haha

I think I want at least 15% CS on all my batteries eventually, but longer term goal

also lets you hit speeds that keep you safe from a normal 2RL scar etc

[unique valley]

What would my best PvP teams be? I struggle with team comps a lot with being new so just trying to learn and get better

[rain totem]

Hi i need some help the first team can win but the other two i lose to any help would be appricated

[crystal flicker]

T2

Win if your Noah can burst

[shell hazel]

you need 1.452M to not be at deficit though

team 3 is just cp pad

does your team 3 not just beat their t2?

[crystal flicker]

That's why I send T2

Noah tho

[shell hazel]

both got noah that is kind of even

biscuit/noah/rumani etc, should trade better after noahs end

[crystal flicker]

It's kinda gamble with basic stats, I don't like it lol

[shell hazel]

siren may stun opponent noah but depends how much cs they have

[crystal flicker]

Soda works better, but I doubt he has invested

[shell hazel]

nah mine is still waiting as well, not sure when I'll get around to it, or if I even will, I mainly would run soda to be annoying 😄

vesti first

[shell hazel]

you lack a lot of the pvp specific units so if nothing else can wishlist them if you want to compete more on it later, for now I'd focus pve/campaign push more as sync/outpost is the best account investment

also arguably your best dps (summer doro) is sat on 3rd row 😛

and snow white who is cool but powercrept basically ages ago is near the top haha

I like snow white but she's not really run anymore and she's pretty bad in pvp as she's slow

wishlist the ones I put yellow boxes around they're higher priority

the ones with blue are alt/niche/lower priority

[crystal flicker]

CP pad still better imo
Though you can run SG comp, semi-pad, and CP pad for T3

[shell hazel]

xmaiden / xanne / s.anis are limited seasonal

vesti is current pvp meta on banner and of the 3 absolute units might be worth trying to secure a copy

though you lack her supports like blanc or noah to run her well protected, she can still work OK

SBS isn't pvp meta anymore tbh but you do want a copy for kraken/pve stages later on

and Cindy is generally useful in both, and very useful on some later bosses so a copy of her is good

[crystal flicker]

Dist dmg has too many weakness

Even it's hard using 2B

[shell hazel]

for SBS?

[crystal flicker]

Yeh

[shell hazel]

yeah but you still need for pve anyway

so if you got a slot in pilgrim wishlist I'd add

1 copy should be enough (kind of glad I didn't core max her like my whale did lol)

[unique valley]

I'm so new that half of the stuff you said made no sense to me haha, Are these teams for the special arena?

[crystal flicker]

Yes, CP pad basically is just press "Auto" when forming team, giving you the highest CP composition

[unique valley]

What does all the RL mean

Ohhhh, i see

[shell hazel]

speed of burst

1RL = how long it takes for a normal RL unit to fire once, trina/centi etc are RL batteries

it's a bit more than a second

[north brook]

Need either good teams or to defecit opponents to give them a major stat penalty basically

[unique valley]

Yeah I had no clue if she is worth investing or not really aha

I have been using Prydwn for stuff but then when asking in here i get drastically different answers

[north brook]

Sdoro is good because of the massive self buffs

She performs well at lower invest

[unique valley]

How do I know how much to invest into a character? that website has recommendations but idk how accurate it is

[north brook]

Some unit like mihara are so sad without max invest lines due to having no major self buffs

[shell hazel]

pvp or pve/boss tierlist, it's not perfect

but summer doro to me looks like your best dps option for b3

[north brook]

Tbh it always sucks, invest in one good core carry in each elem

Then 2, etc

[shell hazel]

pvp has a whole different set of units to invest into lol

[unique valley]

Ahh okay, yeah im so new, like you said PvE etc is probs my focus

I just wanted to optimise my teams with what i had right now

[quick lake]

Prydwen's pvp recommendations are pretty good. Overall, pvp investment is rather late game stuff. Less 250 sync shouldnt worry too much

[shell hazel]

wishlist them anyway get at least a copy of all the ones I flagged if you can

[north brook]

Ya for pvp ur gonna want to mostly 4ol all the units used for cp padding, and thats already way more invested than most players

[shell hazel]

you can't build the teams without the units so you'll be in a good spot if you get them

[crystal flicker]

Reigning early in bracket can help your gems income

[shell hazel]

yeah it can though that is usually done by pushing well in campaign

[north brook]

Ya pvp is a great invest the units have way longer shelf life

[unique valley]

Thats what i was thinking but i guess i can't with my current roster

[north brook]

Mostly because they literally never release units specifically for pvp

We are still running sr anis

[unique valley]

It did seem odd to me when I saw how high she was placed lol

[north brook]

Its just because there are only like 6 units with that kind of burst gen

[unique valley]

So to clarify are these 2 teams I should be running in special arena, which one do I use for normal arena, or is just using my main team fine and i should stick with it?

I currently use Crown - Liter - naga - SBS - alice

[crystal flicker]

Crown ScarBS Liter DrakeT BSoda might be an option for Rookie

Biscuit also good, but your CP might be too low

[unique valley]

So i'm curious though as Prydwn says Crown is like C tier for PvP but SSS everywhere else, why is this

[rustic sandal]

machine gun is asssss

[unique valley]

Yeah, I haven't done much investing into Biscuit

[crystal flicker]

Crown has huge buff, but her burst gen is very low

[north brook]

Mg is just the worst weapon in pvp, need a full pvp centric kit to stomach using an mg or smg

[crystal flicker]

Crown has like ~0.05% gen per ammo, when SR Anis has like 14.4% gen per ammo due to multi hit

[north brook]

There are a few exceptions like siren, rosanna, nero, but they are used in spite of the weapon mainly, it would always be better to have an rl

[swift mango]

Not my ReiT

[orchid gate]

is vesti must pull for pvp?

[swift mango]

If you could get to CA in the first place. Yes.

[orchid gate]

thank you

[rain totem]

@crystal flicker nope still lost

[crystal flicker]

Their Noah bursting?

CS issue then

Could use what Hippo's suggest, but I still prefer Soda

[shell hazel]

or my tanky rookie def

just outlast em lol

you feed a bit but still 2rl noah should be in time

[amber moth]

I made a vesti champ deck. Any ideas?

[rustic sandal]

that will work but will your other 4 teams work

that's some premium characters all for 1 team

[nimble swan]

nice def team

[shell hazel]

it's been defeating my local whale Void 😄

[nimble swan]

i will be using some dogshit team from now on, as they always steal my rookie and some of them are in my SP bracket.
I don't want to give them ideas

[shell hazel]

yeah Void isn't in my SPA

it's not a team I'd run in SPA anyway but yeah can give some info away

hehe

[nimble swan]

I'm a bit worried about next CA, couldn't get Vesti in about 70-100 pulls, i didn't track

[nimble swan]

nice

i don't think a 2% unit should be ticketed

[shell hazel]

mileage if needed I'd say, depends how many resources you have

i'm sync 376 that void guy is 401 btw

[nimble swan]

well, what i think is... i have almost 20 more days. If can't pull her until then, i will tix her last day

[nimble swan]

nice he just got the powerup

[shell hazel]

yeah you can probably be fine without her on the upcoming CA

missing one CA for her won't be fatal

[nimble swan]

yeah that's what i think

[shell hazel]

I can't necessarily get mine fully ready anyway I don't have much spare stuff to use on her still

[nimble swan]

btw the guy who stole my def team is now running 2.5RL vesti indom

[shell hazel]

a slower indom on someone else should still beat that

[nimble swan]

but 2RL rh scar was effective

[swift mango]

doro

[shell hazel]

with jackal?

[nimble swan]

yeah, i put jackal to make sure

[shell hazel]

the opponent I mean?

without jackal it's at risk to 2RL scar

[nimble swan]

i'll check one second

[shell hazel]

with her they probably feed to close to 2RL and surprised you can nuke before blanc bursts

depends what else they run

especially with jackal double feed bug atm

[shell hazel]

yep idiot 😄

also rapu for indom control

[nimble swan]

yeah that's why I run scar team probably

[shell hazel]

let's map that out quick but I think you'd have issue with the 2RL scar if they used jackal instead of rapu

[nimble swan]

seems like low CP, probably Vesti isn't too invested

[nimble swan]

sure the feed would ruin it

[shell hazel]

also vesti p1

siren stun then helm is the one who bursts

[placid bloom]

they are hoping she dies and revives

but Blanc can die too

[nimble swan]

they are not the brightest but this guy makes ut up for being too persistent to the level of being annoying

[swift mango]

4 rock and my vesti CP is decent enough. initial roll high cp value.

[shell hazel]

without CS it's not 2RL

vesti still missing from nikke.work

[nimble swan]

maybe he got 4x 1 line

[nimble swan]

yeah i checked nikke deck, it showed it's 2.5 RL, and I didn't see jackal. So I thought I will just scar nuke instead of building some indom around it

[shell hazel]

does blanc kill herself on scar counters?

if not I think their speed wouldn't be that dissimilar, so could be mis-indom fire

[nimble swan]

i don't recall anyone dying early

[swift mango]

no unless uninvested blanc vs heavy invested Scar

[shell hazel]

would need to see recording but vesti rockets should land a bit after 2RL so unless someone is dead early I'd expect their burst chain to work

who gets the indom is anyones guess though

[nimble swan]

i can try with my sbs indom or another team for science after reset

[shell hazel]

run rapi indom into it

[nimble swan]

yea that's more likely to win

[shell hazel]

bit slower on purpose (or lapT)

instead of DrakeT

HelmT is 2RL native might be too fast

[nimble swan]

xmaiden is same burst gen as drakeT i think

[shell hazel]

similar drakeT is a bit quicker at 2.5RL unless you have CS on xmaiden I think

[nimble swan]

I will need to stick to xMaiden because DrakeT no OL

[shell hazel]

if you bump up xmaiden CS you get better burst gen sooner

her 2.5RL goes to 27.3% as well

but yes not a huge gap between them

you can also run blanc at p4 to be safe, it depends on your links

[placid bloom]

I am pretty sure p2 Blanc dies to 2x Scar counter + rocket splash, if she was p3 she could live if you don't get high rolled

[nimble swan]

p3 should be safe then, right?

[shell hazel]

this would keep blanc safe from any vesti counter-attacks

[nimble swan]

safest option

[shell hazel]

if jackal links to blanc then you can just run p1/p2/p3

you'd have to see who she links with

if not then yeah blanc at p4 is safer

[nimble swan]

ugh my blanc is core 5 :S

[shell hazel]

if she links she should be safe at p3 as long as the vesti isn't cracked and RH buffed lol

then vesti splash hits all 3 and you get more burst gen that way

[nimble swan]

won't be cracked for sure lol, rh buffed maybe

[shell hazel]

rh buff is a bit slow, only thing you can do with other high burst gen supports

[nimble swan]

vesti splash by default hits 3 units?
and all after aoe?
sorry i didn't read the kit that thoroughly

[shell hazel]

it's p1-p3 I believe if not taunted

[nimble swan]

so it's same like emi

[shell hazel]

and her burst is all 5 if level up enough (thought it was 8 but blood says maybe 7)

[nimble swan]

ah I see

[shell hazel]

so your own blanc at less than p4 can be risky, but not on the kind of vesti you show there

hard to position this so RH is b1

unsure who links here

but RH also can't be b2 😄

[nimble swan]

rh and helm for sure

[shell hazel]

yeah that is the issue with this type of team

[nimble swan]

that guy using them for ages

[shell hazel]

vesti needs to link and you need high burst gen

and with adding RH you add another link stealer

it's why I don't think you'd see that many people run that kind of team, high chance of bad links / bad indom

[nimble swan]

yea it's kinda complicated

i wonder when they first try to steal my c2 with some vesti team

c4 - c10 is very competitive rn

[shell hazel]

who is your c1?

[nimble swan]

Evv named guy, whale, +20 sync to me

he should be in our bracket imo but never saw him

[shell hazel]

probably just relying on whale to win

and has no clue/bad CA invest

[nimble swan]

he even has a few frames, se who shoulda got out of group stahe

[shell hazel]

booba guy keeps trying to steal my c1 but I nick it back often enough to get it this season 😄

[nimble swan]

I can beat him, he has stupid teams, and i have the CP to not be penalized, it's just he attacks until he wins

once i beat him and he attacked me 6x times

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message

I mean that sounds like you can just bait him into wasting gems

if you're near reset and you have tries left, may as well take c1 off him, swap your teams around a bit, let them drain gems on you 😄

[nimble swan]

the contrast between this and last season though

[shell hazel]

yeah I was super chill before this season

[nimble swan]

yeah exactly

[shell hazel]

me and my boy topyro just chilling at the top

topyro is not pvp maxi they mald campaign well

so I think they just left me alone and chilled at c2

[nimble swan]

good idea 😄

[shell hazel]

I mean keep your tries until near the reset in case you need to take back your spot

but if it's just about to tick over, send em a message, if you don't care if they take it back you don't even need to check it

will be more 🍿 watching how many tries they waste taking it back off you

[nimble swan]

maybe i will craft some more difficult teams to beat for him and swap order

sure he will waste some gems

[shell hazel]

or don't bother and just keep them busy 😄

but you could

I can't really my whale is too far above me with max cores and such

[nimble swan]

let me check his def teams

[shell hazel]

I didn't realise this until recently but you can just drag the team positions around without re-creating them lol

so if I need to take back spot 1 I re-order just to keep my whale busy

I don't change my def teams atm, don't want to give them ideas or extra knowledge

plus I don't think anything I set would hold, my whale has some competency in teams and also has SR-15 and max core all the main units for pvp

it's why I won't set vesti indom def or anything, they could just see it and copy it if it's effective, then I wind up having to beat my own teams

[nimble swan]

feel free to ignore attack teams, it was a season ago i attacked

[shell hazel]

not even +20 is doable

[nimble swan]

he changed teams it seems, cause I remember he had SG as one of def teams

[shell hazel]

2rl noah/cindy t3

skip t1

[nimble swan]

yes it's a nice feature lol

[shell hazel]

t2 not sure what speed that is, but your own indom should win that, if not directly doing 2RL scar on it

drake and moran both high feed

as is blanc

[nimble swan]

3 - 3.5RL , maybe 3L with CS

[shell hazel]

according to this you b3 before they even b1 lol

send that against t2

send noise rumani cindy helmt noah against t3

as long as noise can live you win that easy (and even if she doesn't you should win it anyway just gotta be wary of ros)

your whale looks a lot more manageable than mine

[north brook]

Id not put helm or cindy next to noah, dont want helm clipped by cindy mirror or cindy duplicate hit

[nimble swan]

my noise is core 4, sr15 and built so i think she should survive

[shell hazel]

it's 2rl by the time any issue with that occurs it's already over

[nimble swan]

my def tams

[shell hazel]

tempura cube if you have a spare maybe

my whale is like

[nimble swan]

yeah that should be on her, i used vigor up until now because tempering was only lv3

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-not-entertained-maximus-gladiator-aren't-you-amused-am-i-not-funny-gif-2396413337976800815

[north brook]

Ik ur prob not dealing with maxed cindy but my helm i think gets oneshot from that due to the current bugs

[nimble swan]

lol

🐳

[shell hazel]

yeah, it's actually crazy

they've spent wayyyy more than me and I think I still get spa 1 this season even if I left them sit at 1 for the rest 😄

[shell hazel]

this is running against scar 2rl not cindy

for cindy comp you'd have to modify attack anyway

[nimble swan]

is it close to being a tie?

[shell hazel]

my +30 sync gap is currently still 30 but I can't keep the rate up forever, I'll wind up slowing down after 381

it is not, I think it's already too late for them

my issue is that if I get cp gapped I can't even attack as none of their teams invite shenanigans

i'll keep poking them as long as I am able to do so

[nimble swan]

well, i would be curious what he will do after you defeat him this season

sure it will hurt his ego a lot

[shell hazel]

whale more dupes/levels prob

they're offline for stretches so if I can take it back I can hold it long enough

[nimble swan]

my c1 whaled for levels too i'm sure

[shell hazel]

if you're same commander level and they have +sync on you then likely yes

[nimble swan]

yeah almost same lv

[shell hazel]

unless you were inefficient but to be c2 I doubt that is the case

f2p or light spender? I put myself in the dolphin cat

[nimble swan]

i'm kinda between light spender and dolphin, it varied.
I was just having fun with the story in the beginning and was playing stupidly, then when I realized this game is actully kinda entertaining besides story, and everyone CP and synch gapped me in pvp I needed to spend some money to catch up

but still i'm among lowest synch but i'm not into buying levels

[shell hazel]

daily gems $5 I use on wipeouts

the per month one

and $15/month resource pack I use mainly on core dust crates

again the per day crate thing

so I wipe out free + 50 + 70 + 100 (usually, sometimes I skip the 100) and then 10 core dust crates from the resource kit

that is my main levelling addition beyond true f2p

[nimble swan]

hmm, I used to spend the resource pack on skill books

[shell hazel]

I buy all the hard mode tries as well and spam those on core dust or battle data as needed

[nimble swan]

usually

[shell hazel]

yeah that sucks now

core dust crates is the best use

I did as well for a time btw

[nimble swan]

that's a must stuff yeah

[shell hazel]

so yeah consider core dust crating instead

the skill books didn't go up in value when they increased the sim room ones

if anything it devalued them compared to the more static cd crates

[nimble swan]

yeah that's true

[shell hazel]

87 cd/hour atm so 870 core dust per day

[nimble swan]

idk how but I cut the cp gap by a few levels recently, maybe catching up on campaign

[shell hazel]

that will keep you on the toes of your whale better over time and let you gap a little if people lower in your SPA don't do it

also will let you hit levels/progress quicker

whilst not being strictly buying levels or whaling on dust

[nimble swan]

that's actually a sound idea

[shell hazel]

wipeout free + 50 + 70 I think also a good use of the +100 gems daily

extra gear fodder and credits/bd as well

[nimble swan]

i do it sometimes, but not every day

[shell hazel]

I make it a habit, hits my pull income a bit

but how many times you put 3000 gems in and got nothing? for me it's a lot lol

[nimble swan]

i used to do the 150 gem /day standard pull for a while, got my first RH copy that way lol

[shell hazel]

at least the gems will get me something this way

[nimble swan]

true

[shell hazel]

yeah this is a better thing to do I think if you don't need any more standard units

I get nothing at all from 150 daily pull so I don't do it

I did it for a month or two earlier and got no ssr 🙂

[nimble swan]

nah i'm not doing it anymore, i did it actually cause i was missing rh

and it worked that's the funniest part 😄

[shell hazel]

then yeah good place to stop that and pivot to this

gradual progression

at the least you'll force your whale to spend more and to you the cost is minimal, some gems and crates you got with a light spend

that's kind of how I look at my whale scenario, how much more is it costing them just to sit at spot 1 instead of 2? 😄

like if i've spent over the last year say $1000 (probably about right tbh) then their spend with the cores and levels is likely 20x that

[nimble swan]

lol

that sounds a lot for them

[shell hazel]

pulls and resources lose efficiency when you want them instantly

patient people with better spend efficiency can compete OK

[swift mango]

It's how many times I got anything from a 10 pulls.

[shell hazel]

yeah so I don't worry about the gems too much for a small input into my account progression

it gets less worth it for wipeout especially after 100 though

I re-roll doll materials a bit as well, though not like blood levels 😛

50-100 max per day, usually 50 gets me OK set and I move on

[swift mango]

I'm bricked so I don't reroll much these days.

[shell hazel]

damn you were my inspiration 😄

[nimble swan]

when I was needing to catch up in the beginning, because of casual stupid play (never thought i wanna be competitive to be fair) i usually spent even up to 500 gems / day on dispatch

it also didn't help i'm among the latest starters among bracket cutout starting late november

[shell hazel]

my logic is this. I take these if they come up

• 30/40/60 doll box
• 1 purple doll material crate or better
• 2/3 core dust crates
• 3 credit crates
• 20 gems or more

2/3 blues I consider a bit mid, but are OK

[nimble swan]

that's my currrent strategy too

[shell hazel]

if I can re-roll at least 6 things worth I re-roll a bit

later on I think doll crates get less value maybe but for now I still need them

[nimble swan]

I skip 2 blues though but i'm kinda similar

[shell hazel]

and maybe 2 credit cases are better instead of just accepting 3

credits become a real issue for me already

on the event stores I no longer buy 30 core dust when I'm out of options, I buy credits lol

[nimble swan]

idk but you can combine them and they give mats, but never tried to calculate mathematical value

[shell hazel]

yeah, except the purple ones can't and they become selectors

it's that which makes endless dolls not as good

[nimble swan]

yeah same here lol, credits are a real struggle

[shell hazel]

if you could turn duplicate purples into materials they'd be better in concept

the challenge mode crates with the bd or cd conversion? always convert to bd now 😄

I need bd a lot of the time as well as credits now

daily resource crates I usually put to core dust but sometimes I do bd instead

[nimble swan]

i was first baffled when around 280 it suddenly increased to 49k or so

[shell hazel]

only gets higher but in theory it should level out eventually, think main blocker turns to credits in the end

[nimble swan]

yeah especially you don't push campaign that often anymore

my other issue is i still miss some t9m

and my AI luck is atrocious

i have stockpiles of abnormal supporter and defender gear, but barely any attacker

also lots of pilgrim supporter

[shell hazel]

it can happen I stick to kraken mostly currently - the new co-op if you can hit 10% lets you get some t9m selectors

gotta be careful where you use them but it's better than being stuck on an AI boss for 6 weeks like I was trying to get cindy some boots or w/e earlier in the year lol

[nimble swan]

yeah that's the issue, i do kraken too, but i have a few units for whom i feel the need now to finish, jackal, noah, even cindy misses one piece

usually now i can do coop with some people, so we are top 10%

[shell hazel]

every week you can spend half your bones essentially should be perpetual

I get the doll boxes and the t9m bits

and a few leftover for xp ones

[nimble swan]

same

[shell hazel]

I have 0 bones now but the rewards for this co-op come in next weekend, so I can get the ones post reset before they reset again

[nimble swan]

can't wait for the next t9m box to finish

[hollow lagoon]

40/60 doll box
2 doll material box purple or yellow
2/3 dust
2/3 credit
25 gem or more
3 purple or blue maintain kits

Also doll material wise as long as 3 of the above was satisfied I stop rolling the last one

[keen vapor]

I think I'm going to reset Rosanna on next skill reset

[hollow lagoon]

Imma reset Admi

[keen vapor]

I never use her

[hollow lagoon]

I tried to do a reload focused copium team

China version where Admi can heal would have worked

[shell hazel]

your requirements are more stringent than mine zant but I can't afford to burn too many gems on it 🙂

[shell hazel]

no that is too much enrichment lol

[hollow lagoon]

The lack of b2 is slowly solving it self tho

[shell hazel]

gotta pop to the shops quick brb

[hollow lagoon]

Leona and Tove have 7s in skills now

Even tho end up not using them

[keen vapor]

Max Tove

I use Tove every month

[hollow lagoon]

For me depends my other units ain’t even close to max like 7/8/7 maid duos

Even my Sdoro is 8/8/7

[keen vapor]

7/8/7 is close

[nimble swan]

I thought I can be top 3% this raid, but then I had to realize I lack the resources to improve my units that much

[hollow lagoon]

[nimble swan]

also invest in new ones with zero investment

grave has skills 1/1/1 currently

[hollow lagoon]

I use grave every raid

[nimble swan]

i got her not long ago to be fair

[hollow lagoon]

But I copium neutral Laplace+redhood

[nimble swan]

yeah Laplace, I wonder if I ever will get her

[keen vapor]

Invest her burst and that's it

[hollow lagoon]

Tbh the damage of the team is the worst of the bunch dis round

[keen vapor]

There'll be 2 of them some day

[nimble swan]

will start there I guess. I think this raid is over for me. I did around 7.2b which was 1.43% when I did it and I expect to be around 4.8% something in the end

[hollow lagoon]

Apparently there is a weird Mihara tech with MirandaT sort of exploit but I’m not really willing to get her treasure just for this

[keen vapor]

5.5%

[nimble swan]

lol i hope so

[hollow lagoon]

How are you guys predicting the %

[keen vapor]

I did both Miranda and Poli treasures just bc I like them very much

[keen vapor]

Experience? Not necessarily will be accurate

3% might be 13 or 14b

Dunno really

[hollow lagoon]

3% is rough idk don’t think it’s gonna be 13/14b

[nimble swan]

i just asked some other guy on other discord now, but it's on avg between 1.3- 1.8% fall / day

in my experience

[hollow lagoon]

I fell 0.2% from yesterday

[keen vapor]

In my experience I do my hits on last day so I have no experience really

[nimble swan]

yeah early days i'm not really counting, i do it last few days usually

[hollow lagoon]

If push comes to shove I’ll unlock MirandaT

[nimble swan]

i was thinking that too but gave up since i saw the no chance for top3%

[hollow lagoon]

Tho there’s a non zero chance raid gets stopped

[nimble swan]

I heard Eunwha might be bugged

[hollow lagoon]

Bugged how?

[nimble swan]

game crashes when swapping characters

[hollow lagoon]

Didn’t happen to me

Or maybe it did but only once

[nimble swan]

for me it crashed once but i didn't even use Eunwha

[keen vapor]

Mirandaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[hollow lagoon]

MirandaT for me is a matter of doll and done since I have 160+material

But my Snow White and Maxwell is completely uninvested

So I can’t justify it

[nimble swan]

my snow white doesn't exist and my maxwell is uninvested lol

[keen vapor]

Same

[swift mango]

I don't think this raid allowed for such high dmg.

[keen vapor]

Ah, mirror container defense, I forgot

[nimble swan]

i dropped 0.13% and i did my run a few hours ago

[keen vapor]

3% 9b

[swift mango]

with luck you should be able to 3% in current raid in global.

with this number

[hollow lagoon]

I can’t really improve it by much so I hope

[placid bloom]

3 days left is kinda hard to say

[keen vapor]

3% 11b on NA?

[placid bloom]

gotta see how much you drop in the next 24 hours

[hollow lagoon]

Holo kraken was to my advantage cuz I have stacked water unit in QEQ and semi functioning lewdmilla

And relatively decent helm

[keen vapor]

Blood, I'll reset Rosanna on next skill reset I never use her

[swift mango]

recent No core fire boss making my "not building Asuka" the right decision.

[hollow lagoon]

My Sdoro still only 1 ele 1atk tho (4 ammo tho)

[nimble swan]

btw wtf is this no core stuff recenty, why none of the bosses have a core

[keen vapor]

I 10/10/10

At least I didn't build doll

[hollow lagoon]

I didn’t build her either

[cunning solstice]

Wht is the best team for scarlet and cindirella rn? For my attack sp

[nimble swan]

SR15d doll not too long ago

[hollow lagoon]

2rl Noah Cindy and 2rl Trina scarlet rosana

[keen vapor]

Asuka?

[nimble swan]

yeah

[hollow lagoon]

[keen vapor]

[hollow lagoon]

Evangelion I didn’t really understand the plot

[nimble swan]

I barely have fire units and forget about i'm building maldy Alice

[keen vapor]

It really isn't hard

[nimble swan]

you are not the only one

[hollow lagoon]

My Alice is so bad my b1 base Dorothy outperform her this raid

[swift mango]

I was feeling generous today and s3 lv7 my Rem.... Turning out it's still a bit worse than my s3 lv5 Mari for Vesti team in SR.

[raven plover]

rem

[nimble swan]

it can be interpreted in some ways

[keen vapor]

Your Vesti not in Euhnwa team?

[nimble swan]

and leaves a lot to the viewer

[swift mango]

ammo buff and atk buff for RL.

[keen vapor]

And some ways are way easier than others

[raven plover]

[hollow lagoon]

I watched a YouTube explaining evangelion plot like a year ago and got the general gist of it, I didn’t watch the last 2 rebuild films

[swift mango]

I don't have euhwa. I'm bricked.

[nimble swan]

why do you think I SR15 fire asuka? Surely not because i'm a huge fan

[keen vapor]

I don't even have Vesti I'm worse than bricked

[hollow lagoon]

Absolute trio is actually funny, their entire gig is to break eyes with the bare minimum effort, which lets u run Cinderella without bricking

[swift mango]

no worry you won't need her because you can't get to CA anyway.

[nimble swan]

bro, we both have almost 20 days left. Let's cope

[keen vapor]

Huh?

[keen vapor]

[hollow lagoon]

Huh

[keen vapor]

I get to league

[keen vapor]

Raid is 3 days

Is now or next update from standard banner

[hollow lagoon]

unless they postpone raid due to Mihara exploit

[nimble swan]

Vesti is crap for raid, Eunwha is actually good

Vesti is so underwhelming even with the other 2

she's pvp only

[keen vapor]

I'll take next update better to miss an unit on the end of the year than at the beginning of it

[hollow lagoon]

I wonder if eunwha can be used for mirrior container over ein, on higher deficit

[keen vapor]

what

[nimble swan]

Read as I said, she's absolutely (no pun intended) underwhelming in PVE. Even if you run her with her teammates. Neutral units outdamage her easily, even with some investment

[hollow lagoon]

The true damage gig is only really for higher deficit things

[keen vapor]

[nimble swan]

yeah kinda, but for that her overall damage sucks. Eunwha + Emma can see some PVE use in the future though

[hollow lagoon]

Vesti is kinda weak for pve ye but she wipes mobs pertty good according to NIKKE.gg

[swift mango]

people running her in mobs stages at like 40% deficit and she deal more dmg than RRH.

[hollow lagoon]

True damage’s gig yet again

[nimble swan]

i was mostly talking about bossing, i can't really talk about campaign. Guess she works well like Ein

[keen vapor]

[hollow lagoon]

Ein’s true damage is not as consistent tho since it’s only them feathers

[nimble swan]

I mean I use her in campaign for mob clearing

[hollow lagoon]

Ein’s shots deal no true damage which actually is rough for mirrior container

[nimble swan]

but yeah it's only feathers unfortunately

[swift mango]

ein is true dmg to boss. Vesti is true dmg to mobs. different nikke different role

[hollow lagoon]

Vesti’s hits just deal true damage in general

Atleast for this bosss I see what made the absolute trio work

[swift mango]

but not enough self buff and not enough dps on single target. So either mobs stage or boss with lots of parts

[hollow lagoon]

The ability to hit many parts is actually interesting

Maybe I should give Eunhwa OL going forward

[swift mango]

Emi already did that but not enough dmg, Vesti deal more dmg enough to make her strong for Ziz

[hollow lagoon]

My vesti rolled like crap besides 4 ammo

Not even ele/atk roll

Oh nvm 3 ammo 1 atk

No ele

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[gritty ridge]

Can I get skill prio on scar, trina, moran, and noise?

I think the guide only shows pve

[hollow lagoon]

Scarlet is skill 1 and 3

Trina is skill 2

Moran is skill 3

Noise is 3?

[gritty ridge]

When i become MA should I make pvp skill guide?

[hollow lagoon]

MA?

[atomic wolf]

Generated by ChatGPT

[glad meteor]

Misinformation acadamy role

[atomic wolf]

there are three people that is trustworthy with the academy role

everyone else either sucks whale sparm or

eh just that tbh

[umbral belfry]

😭

this is so specific LMAO

[frank ingot]

Thank you for this

[gritty ridge]

Ill be applying for it soon

I wanted to be more knowledgeable before I did

[hollow lagoon]

How is that role supposed to be handed out

[atomic wolf]

nothing beats a jet2 holiday

[umbral belfry]

need to apply for it iirc

[atomic wolf]

and right now you can save fifty pounds per prson

[umbral belfry]

a few asked me to apply but idc for it, don't need it

[atomic wolf]

that role does nothing apparently because if we look at the role itself

[placid bloom]

[atomic wolf]

nitro booster is ranked higher than MA

[wild patio]

go touch some grass you ^&^&*%&

[atomic wolf]

nobody cares if there's a MA people just wanted answers instead of asking specific people for answers

[umbral belfry]

more or less. wouldn't change much for me if I had it or not, but that's just me personally

[glad meteor]

Soon hime ma

[umbral belfry]

I'm able to help with or without MA

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

Becoming MA means you can’t troll anymore

[hollow lagoon]

Bro dead set on getting into ca next season it seems

[glad meteor]

||You get free stuff||

[placid bloom]

All downside no upside

[umbral belfry]

no deal

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/that-hurt-office-crying-meme-crying-sad-gif-24713671

[gritty ridge]

Nuh uh, you become good enough MA you get to get free stuff

Also you can make guides

Which theres 2 I wanna make

[umbral belfry]

free

[placid bloom]

If I want it I can just buy it

[atomic wolf]

occassionally free stuff

in exchange for your dignity

[glad meteor]

Time to make a guide on sniping people in pvp and monitoring people’s login times to maximise points

[gritty ridge]

I wanna make pvp skill guide and updated manu tower guide

[umbral belfry]

make a guide on how to get scarlet for @glad meteor

[hollow lagoon]

I doubt my ability to guide people, my solution to almost every non PvP problem in NIKKE is crown+siren+helm then slap in select b3s

[gritty ridge]

Tbf that works most places

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/syuen-nikke-mad-scared-angry-gif-15019597870922751405

[hollow lagoon]

That requires people to have siren crown helmT

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

Take crown out and I won’t know how to NIKKE anymore

[placid bloom]

You have to learn the non-Crown teams for SR too

Then again global not sweaty

[hollow lagoon]

I do my best to copium

[placid bloom]

could be worse I guess

[hollow lagoon]

It ain’t getting much better anyway

Running rouge with not Cinderella feels cringe but it was the outcome I’m willing to accept