pvp-arena

[forest zodiac]

Will this work? any mistakes? (SP arena)

or should I just 2rl cindy t2

[crystal flicker]

What your CS?
They need at least 5.6% on everyone to catch up with Scarlet 2.5, if you have extra CS you might touch 2.4 or 2.3 instead

[crystal flicker]

That T3 easily beat with Cindy

and T2 just bring more RL to get free gen lmao

[wanton island]

lol. so the internet finally gets K. SU gave into the meme community

[forest zodiac]

are you sure? last time I tried to "cindy" that everyone dies before cindy able to burst because of her burst delay

[crystal flicker]

Noah Biscuit Cindy HelmT Rumani, there's no way you lose with that

[forest zodiac]

okay, what about t2

[crystal flicker]

Use someone else against T2

Whos your other Nuke?

[forest zodiac]

only sbs I guess hah

idk, I don't have scarlet trina

[crystal flicker]

ScarBS sucks against Biscuit + Defender

[forest zodiac]

no?

yes, 4rl, as he is but I have siren?

or put xmaiden instead of siren for 3rl?

[crystal flicker]

How invested is your SAnis

[forest zodiac]

ehhh, she is 10-10-9, but sr5 and lines are decent but not perfect

23 ele, 39.5 atk

please don't leave me hanging

[crystal flicker]

Blanc Centi SAnis RH Anis might work, it's 2RL

[forest zodiac]

I'll try, thank youuu

[crystal flicker]

SAnis will cook Biscuit and SAnis

[forest zodiac]

wait who should get indom?

[crystal flicker]

Doesn't matter, I only use her for dmg taken

[forest zodiac]

ah nvm

[crystal flicker]

If you want indom you can put her at P2, but she'll get taunted by Noah and lost 1/2 of her burst dmg

[dire root]

I want to say bottom wins with rapunzel stunning the other team at 50% health and then getting indom and reviving who ever the other teams Helm kills.

[crystal flicker]

Idk if Rapu will survive 4RL

[forest zodiac]

@crystal flicker

[dire root]

I was thinking that too until I remembered her stun ability.

Is she really going to die before burst even with the stun?

[forest zodiac]

thanks once again @crystal flicker

[dire root]

Can a nikke have indom applied to them in stun?

I'm pretty sure they can.

[crystal flicker]

yes

She needs to burst for stun

[oblique ridge]

4RL is an eternity to survive. 3RL some units can easily tank but only some. Like, BS Scarlet risks dying at 3RL without assistance even before B1 bursts

Oh this matchup...

Rapunzel might live... if enemy team didn't burst

[crystal flicker]

It might go like
Rapunzel die from Rapipi
HelmT Snipe RH
and that team is done

[oblique ridge]

Hold on. There is no offensive damage from enemy team bursting B1 or B2

[dire root]

Does Helm T need buffers to kill with Burst?

[crystal flicker]

Rapipi hits hard tho

[oblique ridge]

Well, it was more about the fact that the top team doesn't do something offensive when going through B1 and B2 bursts, which means the hammer lands at B3 burst, not before. That's time for Rapunzel to maybe survive

But she's dead once Helm bursts (Nvm, I thought Helm bursts Rapunzel but she won't be if she's on attacking side. Now it's if Rapi grenade explosions do too much to Rapunzel)

[crystal flicker]

Yeah, it depend on CS

[oblique ridge]

Bottom team will waste their burst on invincible Rumani

[wise horizon]

Not very high and below 5%

[oblique ridge]

What's Bay even doing there

[dire root]

Decent burst gen?

But why isn't she bursting

[crystal flicker]

Your enemy need 2 Normal or 1 Blue CS Line on every RL (except Cindy) to catch up

[thin perch]

Can someone give me some unconventional sp defense teams?

[oblique ridge]

I take back what I said about Helm killing Rapunzel. If Top is attacking side.

Rumani, Biscuit, Rapi, and Bay will shoot Rapunzel, but Helm will shoot Alice.

On Helm burst, Alice will die. Rapunzel will revive Alice. Idk about Red Hood. But the biggest "oof" is if the Helm's damage invested, then Alice's eating Ele%.

Idk who will get Indomitable in the end.

Idk how it's going to turn out once both sides burst, but if Rapi blows up Rapunzel (esp. with grenade detonation on B3 burst) before Rapunzel can burst, it's GG because Alice and Rapunzel will be dead.

So uh, will there be grenades stuck on Rapunzel by 3RL?

But wait. Red Hood can omni burst. So even with Alice and Rapunzel dead, Red Hood can take care of B1 burst.

Indom going on Helm or Red Hood is still possible. But Red Hood won't B3 burst. Helm will. But she'll be shooting into invincible Rumani. Twice.

[wise horizon]

So if I go with 2.5RL, my opponent needs 5% or more CS on every NIKKE except Cindy to beat my 2.5RL scarlet?

[oblique ridge]

Anyways, I don't know how many bullets Rapi needs to shoot for a grenade to stick onto Rapunzel, and how many bullets are shot by a MG in 3RL

Oh. Only 64 bullets from a MG in 3RL? Wth

She needs 120 to fire a sticky grenade. There's no way she'll get one on Rapunzel by 4RL, unless this is outdated info. Could be outdated because of the fps-tied-dmg fix toggle

[thin perch]

Actually could someone give me 3 different sp defense line ups so I can cycle through them?

[oblique ridge]

I think bottom team wins but it's a dicey prediction

[dire root]

PvP moment.

[oblique ridge]

It really comes down to if that Rapunzel is seriously fitted out to tank

[crystal flicker]

#pvp-arena message

[oblique ridge]

If she can live, she might indeed pull off that wombo combo of stunning enemy team, reviving someone, healing herself, and then hanging in there with Indomitable

[crystal flicker]

You know what

[thin perch]

No I mean pre made triple comps like three of these images

I wanna cycle through 3 setups to throw this dude off

[glad glade]

I think I found something interesting. When interacting with a 2RL Cindy comp, a 3RL revived SBS still dies even after receiving Blanc’s indom (as seen in the second screenshot where Blanc bursts and SBS should have received the indom). You can even see her remaining HP bar after she dies

Any thoughts?

[thin perch]

Holy

[naive crown]

How should xmaiden and THelm be used in PVP?

[cursive pike]

considering the cp difference - will my noah block the scarlett burst and then allow me to kill their team before indom wears off?

[oblique ridge]

Hard to tell. Indomitable is this icon, right? But ShiftUp designed to grace us with uncheckable buffs and debuffs lists during important PvP matches

[glad glade]

I think it did hit. In the second screenshot you can see Laplace healing and she did NOT have the indom. That’s probably from Blanc’s burst, meaning its SBS who received it. Only other explanation is if SBS died the exact frame that she received the indom

[oblique ridge]

Hard to say. The problem is while yes, you have two invincibles from Biscuit to stall the Indomitable Scarlet, assuming everyone's plans play out the way they hope, you've got Scarlet counterattacks

With no heals, your team will be ground down, so it's a race for Indomitable to wear off Scarlet before your team gets counterattacked to death

[graceful grotto]

What's your total CP

And this is CA, so deficit is not a thing I forget lol

[oblique ridge]

Hang on. Hang on. "From Blanc's burst"?

Blanc indomitable goes to whoever she spike heals with her burst

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but if you saw a spike heal on Laplace from Blanc, Laplace is the one with Indomitable

But no icon Is it hidden on purpose or something?

[glad glade]

Nope the heal affects all allies

You’re probably thinking of Max HP

[oblique ridge]

This one

[cursive pike]

mine is about 650k - compared to about 770k

[oblique ridge]

Yeah, Laplace still died here so I guess she didn't get Indomitable

Left screenshot is Laplace death scene right?

[glad glade]

Either way, I guess it means that indom doesn’t work in this sort of situation. Kind of reminds me of Mother Whale mobs and Ludmilla/Cindy timing

[glad glade]

Yep

[oblique ridge]

Any chance it was Centi that bursted, not Blanc?

[ocean vapor]

any recordin of the match

[glad glade]

Nope definitely blanc

[oblique ridge]

Wow, that should've been a for sure Indomitable BS Scarlet

[wide shard]

Come on. I am on Mobile. How can I send images of my roster if bots will delete it?

[glad glade]

Yep for sure. The HP bar supports this conclusion too. Guess we now know what happens when this interaction happens. Pretty valuable data, but still needs more test runs to know for sure

[graceful grotto]

Send 5 at a time

Also for our sake, switch to horizontal

[ocean vapor]

set ur mobile game into horizontal mode

[oblique ridge]

I think we can call this a bug, and you probably should report it. Though whether you'd have won regardless is ... debatable. BS Scarlet having to kill that tanky team in 10 seconds is a tall order

[glad glade]

Oh no this isn’t me. I found this valuable piece of data while trying to look for matching runs for CA cheer confirmation

[oblique ridge]

Oh

[glad glade]

Because one of the rounds I need to predict is this EXACT MATCHUP

[oblique ridge]

RIP

[wide shard]

Okay. I need the best defense comp I can pull cause I keep getting pushed down to Gold.

[oblique ridge]

If it was an exact rematch without the bug I'd still say top team wins because I think they can endure BS Scarlet and kill her

[wide shard]

That an attack comp would be nice.

[glad glade]

I’m assuming that this interaction is similar to MW and her peons. When I view tetra tower runs in MW with ludmilla, I notice that the peons die from lud’s burst even after receiving MW’s buff. The same interaction is probably happening here

[glad glade]

Thats what I thought at first too lolol

[oblique ridge]

So attacks in flight killed BS Scarlet because they were fired before Indomitable? That's what you mean?

[glad glade]

Probably yes, since Lud’s burst is a 10x random hit like Cindy’s. Invincibility and indom/MW buff work differently I suppose

[thin perch]

Is having Noah and biscuit on the same team too much investment of survival units for a defense team?

[oblique ridge]

Can be. It depends on your other teams. But if we talk SPA the problem is they can pick one team to throw

[glad glade]

Granted, Lud requires extremely strict timing for that strat to work. So who knows, maybe I might be wrong @oblique ridge

[thin perch]

Like is Noah SBS/SAnis Helm.T Biscuit Rumani (2RL too much?

[oblique ridge]

So if you have a scenario where your 3 teams consists of:

• One team blocks 2RL AoE burst nuke, superb survival
• One team is 2RL AoE burst nuke, superb killing power
• One team is another 2RL AoE burst nuke, superb killing power

Then what happens once it's attacked?

• Throws the blocking team
• Blocks and kills the 2RL AoE burst nuke
• Races with Indomitable

You're screwed if the Attacking side can plan it out.

Typical of SPA though. Assuming both sides are even in power.

[glad glade]

This screenshot here for example. The peon at the frontmost left (where Alice is aiming at) still survives and gets the buff whereas the others die from Lud’s burst. Its important to note that the surviving peon was one of the first to be struck by Lud’s crystal shards

So at the end of the day, its possible RNG may still have a factor in deciding who wins. What a wacky interaction.

[onyx scaffold]

Limit is 4

[oblique ridge]

I'd say try to figure out a comp where Noah and Biscuit aren't together. Then it forces enemy team to have problems deciding whether to throw the Noah team because it blocks AoE burst nukes, or throw the Biscuit team because of the invincible defenders.

It's NOT easy though. All defense teams have a fatal weakness that can be countered with proper planning if power is even. Uneven power is the main reason why SPA defense works, nowadays. That and missing characters.

[ocean vapor]

the ultimate defense

[thin perch]

Bro are there any Noah teams without biscuit or Cindy?

[oblique ridge]

Many. It's a team with Noah on it.

[thin perch]

Or I mean I’m using the list a common SP teams and I’m tryna find a Noah team

[oblique ridge]

SAnis team could have Noah I guess

With Noah there, it invalidates Biscuit burst buffing SAnis because, well, Noah's bursting

[ocean vapor]

noah emi, noah sanis are prob the next common pairings

[oblique ridge]

So you can move Biscuit to another team provided your Noah's tanky enough, or you have other answers that help Noah survive (some move Noah to p5)

Since Scarlet typically doesn't need Biscuit, then you possibly end up with Blanc + Biscuit comp (Blanc in p1)

Gl

[swift mango]

Miranda does off burst buff as well, read her kits.

Don't downplay my weeks of dmg testing with RNG.

[wide shard]

So anyone help me refine the defense teams I got?

[glad glade]

Would these predictions be correct? Top is attacking and bottom is defending. Crossed out teams means that they lose

[shell hazel]

is this all your nikkes? you may want to post your entire nikke list ordered by power - on mobile you can change to landscape mode somewhere in the top right

[wide shard]

I did post my roster earlier it is few posts above.

[shell hazel]

you got rumani sync + build her (4/4/4 skills and basic OL / doll)

[glad glade]

Also, for T3, I believe Soda Scar team would lose because that Soda is not invested (69k CP), dying to the opposing Scar’s S2 before bursting. Additionally, that Soda-Scar team has lost against this team in the previous matchup due to Blanc’s indom and Soda dying, which will likely happen in this match too

[shell hazel]

Noise works well with Cindy comp as well, similar 4/4/4 for now with basic OL and doll

[wide shard]

Where to put Rumani? In team 2?

[shell hazel]

by basic OL I mean just add enough gear xp to the t9m if you have it and then add a single rock to get some cp/stat lines initially

[thin perch]

If I made this team what would the position order be?

[shell hazel]

wishlist the pvp main stays - jackal, trina, centi, noah, scarlets (both black shadow + old), red hood

also high priority to try and get helm treasured asap, so wishlist for her as well

if you get a spare slot add a rosanna for later just to have a copy you could use down the line

[thin perch]

This order is boggling my mind

[shell hazel]

noise then noah is traditional

[oblique ridge]

If you dare this team, and I assume the linked units are SAnis, Noise, and Jackal (because the others are defenders, but other factors can cause a defender to have highest ATK at start...)

Then just run Noise, Noah, Centi, SAnis, Jackal

[thin perch]

This is an experimental team I’ll post the final trio

[shell hazel]

try and familiarise yourself with the deck builder, because you can also then see where rumani helps you the most

[swift mango]

So it's peace today.. Time to test teams in SpA again.

Yes, I lost that attack because my test team was bad...

[shell hazel]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[umbral belfry]

interesting pote tial matchup for me

I'm bottom

[glad glade]

Anyone?

[swift mango]

You win because of jackal

[umbral belfry]

jackal mvp

[swift mango]

[umbral belfry]

I was curious if my linked siren would survive but I think so

[thin perch]

Ok rate the teams guys

[shell hazel]

your teams are like this btw so a bit on the slow side, team 1 won't really ever burst 😛

[shell hazel]

you got lapt? you can promote the emi team to 2RL with the right comp

[wide shard]

I understand... nothing from this. It seems that I need to visit pvp guides to understand the terms.

[thin perch]

Yeah I do

[shell hazel]

basically RL is a measure of speed for bursting

1RL is roughly 1 second, 3RL is average sort of speed you want

4RL or slower is slow and you may die before you can burst

if the 3RL box is 100% then chances are good you burst in about 3 seconds, 2RL or 2.5RL is harder to reach

the deck builder site orders the units by burst gen by default so you can see who adds the most as you build stuff, but some units are limited/not obtainable for newer players

[wide shard]

Naruhodo

[shell hazel]

in general you need to build teams with a bit of a thought process for each team.

• each team ideally needs a good b3 nuker of some kind.
• each team needs a decent b1
• each team needs a decent b2
• beyond this units are just batteries for more burst gen

position does matter because auto burst is left to right. so you want your primary b1/b2/b3 to be the left most of that type

[swift mango]

P1: Yes, unless LapT could kill both B1 before they burst.

P2: Rapu may Revive and indom land on SBS and beat Cindy. Low chance though but I saw it before.

P3: Soda could win with the right stun.

P4: yes

P5: Moran won't be able to burst until 5rl thanks to Siren. Idk if it could change the result.

[daring gust]

Damn. first time seeing 50-50 cheer

[shell hazel]

position 1 is the most likely to tank for you, so also consider that you may want to put your weakest units at p3 or p4 to try and keep them safer

[glad glade]

Thanks. How does Scarlet’s S2 work? Does it affect whoever attacks her or does it affect units randomly?

[swift mango]

Its counters hit on the one whose attack triggered the counter

[glad glade]

Also @swift mango, P2’s scenario has happened in this battle: #pvp-arena message so the chances of SBS surviving is extremely low. Unless if its a bug, in which case she definitely dies 🤔

[thin perch]

Wait you might’ve cooked. Check this out

[glad glade]

Gotchu, thanks

[shell hazel]

you have to play to your strengths for CP as well so in your case, I'd build 3 teams around 3 main nukers for now:

• cindy
• rapi rh
• alice
  I don't think you have better built options for now

[shell hazel]

I can't take the credit that is what keripo ran in CA 😄

I can't get emi but she looks like a great battery unit

[thin perch]

I assumed CA would not be a good reference for SP arena I should check this out then

[shell hazel]

I dunno if it's the best if you have all options just think it was better than the one you had

[wide shard]

Got it. Focus on Speed and Nukes. The rest is just rock paper scissor.

[glad glade]

Apologies, but I finally figured out how to use screen recording. Heres the recording of said scenario

[thin perch]

Are Drake and Laplace treasures interchangeable?

[spiral onyx]

Here's my checklist:

1. Each team needs a winning strategy. The two most common ones are AoE 1-shot cleave (e.g. Scarlet, Cindy) or sustained high damage (e.g. SAnis, Scalter).
2. Each team needs sufficient buffers to enable the winning strategy. Either through attack buffs or damage taken debuffs. Often this is through B1 or B2 effects (e.g. XAnne, Blanc) but can also come from passives (e.g. XMaiden, Noir, Maxwell)
3. Each team needs enough burst gen batteries to quickly fill the burst gauge to execute the winning strategy. Minimumally "3RL" speed, ideally "2RL" or "2.5RL" as any slower leaves your team vulnerable to death from auto attacks.
4. Each team ideally has some method to counter the enemy team's winning strategy. Usually this is either max HP increase (e.g. Noise, MAnchor), damage reduction (e.g. Moran), damage mitigation (e.g. Noah, Blanc) or damage share (e.g. Jackal, Bay)

[thin perch]

If I had to choose either drake or Laplace which is a better option to fill?

[shell hazel]

i'll see if I can cook you up some basics but it will not be perfect

you need more units still, but it will at least kind of work 😄

[shell hazel]

I think also redundancy where possible - backup b1 or b2 for example

try this, but you need a quantum cube on SR anis if you have any

I considered swapping moran/noise but I suspect your p1 will die so noise may burst instead anyway

team 3 I don't think we have sufficient units to build anything good so it's just CP pad

[shell hazel]

funniest thing of all with my CA comps is that I lack a core b1 battery in rumani so I've had to work around that as best I can, but also in my brackets no one has emi/sanis etc as too new.
this means that some of these 2 - 2.5RL comps aren't really possible, but I aim to get every pvp meta that comes along and build them well enough long term

what is the best comp to throw maid anchor into? SG team?

[spiral onyx]

For SP Arena we have more than enough batteries. For CA you definitely have to get cooking and spend rocks

[thin perch]

Should i reposition any of these?

[shell hazel]

not sure I do, not for b1 anyway, it's jackal and pepper that have the most burst gen without a rumani to throw in 😄

SPA I just cp pad my 3rd team because whatever else I run is kind of meh atm, no one challenging it yet

[shell hazel]

I mean we had 2RL without burning helmT before... 😛

I call that a win, not sure why you want to burn her on this comp when lapT can make it 2RL without helm

[swift mango]

The indom was missed timing... It was just visual bug, the Indom didn't land on time

[thin perch]

I mean this is what I made since I wanted to incorporate Moran into this set. What do you recommend shifting?

[glad glade]

So it was missed by a frame then?

[ocean vapor]

nah i think its a bug, somewhere in the chat history someone says it was anyway

[shell hazel]

run the old 2RL without helmT option I'd say. Then you can run a better moran team maybe?

[glad glade]

Yep thats exactly what happened here

Note SBS’s HP bar

[wide shard]

How about this one? It was bit annoying to discard Blanc but no team is that fast enough to real 3RL with her.

[shell hazel]

you can 3RL blanc with the ones I had

[spiral onyx]

Don't ignore the red lol

[ocean vapor]

if the RL thing is red, it means ur missing a unit to full burst with, TIA mechanic doesnt let her burst 1.

[shell hazel]

cindy p1 is also a bad idea - but you wouldn't have known that

in general you won't want your main nuker at p1

[swift mango]

Yeah, it was simple, the Indom has delay timing. But its targeting isn't. The target could die during that delay and Blanc won't switch to another target.

[thin perch]

Does Moran benefit from bursting earlier? I haven’t seen any teams with her that are faster than 3rl

[wide shard]

Okay. That looks way better than mine.

[shell hazel]

when you get more units you can build a better t3

[swift mango]

2rl HelmT with Moran+Bay need to be 2rl or it's trash.

[shell hazel]

also my teams try to use your built units where possible. You don't really want to build say Vesti

[calm gull]

[shell hazel]

noise and rumani are safe to invest a bit into

[thin perch]

bro I haven’t built bay

[wide shard]

Doesn't Tia taunt or is her taunt is more unreliable than Noise?

[calm gull]

Tia taunts on 5th shot

[shell hazel]

she does but she can't b1 properly alone

also if she is left of your main b1 she will slow your burst down to active re-enter b1

[calm gull]

yea just dont bother putting tia if you want to go faster RL

[shell hazel]

change cindy to this, we don't want drake bursting

quantum on anis SR is important or it's not 3RL

[thin perch]

I still have biscuit Blanc Moran SAnis and helm left over what can I make with this?

[swift mango]

#pvp-arena message

[shell hazel]

bit slow though

[thin perch]

What exactly happens here?

[shell hazel]

we hope helm bursts and you just heal through everything lol

[glad glade]

Saw that one and made a note of it. Thank you

[thin perch]

I mean I got biscuit as well

[shell hazel]

you could use biscuit here

biscuit is slow however as well, this team with biscuit won't get above 3RL easily

[thin perch]

Shoot I need a b1

[shell hazel]

if you prefer sanis to burst

[thin perch]

I wonder could this survive a 1 buff 2rl nuke?

[shell hazel]

blanc and biscuit are slow

so any team with either on is hard to get to 2RL or so

two batteries and helm main burst promotes to 2RL

depending what you have available

even drakeT instead of rumani works there

what are you using for the other two teams atm?

[thin perch]

These are the other rough draft teams

I think Trina being anywhere that isn’t scarlet would be a waste no?

[shell hazel]

get centi over

scarlet team will get to 2RL with feed

as long as the 2RL figure is like 90%+

[thin perch]

Feed? As in scarlets s2?

[shell hazel]

jackal link feed

also I'd put ros p3 there, or splash damage from scarlet will hit her

drop the idea of Blanc and 2RL moran/biscuit

[swift mango]

[thin perch]

So without centi or rumani the scarlet team isn’t 2rl

[shell hazel]

it will be with feed depending who you use

you don't need it to say 2RL 100% if it's like 90% 2RL it will be 2RL in reality

[swift mango]

Imagine living in a bracket without Emi where p3 is safe.

[thin perch]

Like this?

Wait

Ultimately is running Moran in SP sub optimal?

[shell hazel]

it depends what you have, you can 2.5RL moran with s.anis like this

[thin perch]

Huh

[shell hazel]

s.anis is slow, you can't get her to 2RL

it looks close but it's not really feasible

[ocean vapor]

you can if you waste high value battery units like jackal eck de

[thin perch]

But would it ultimately be better to run blanc SAnis over Moran SAnis?

[shell hazel]

what does your blanc / sanis comp look like with the other two teams unchanged?

[spare nimbus]

Thoughts on this def team?

[thin perch]

I’m more speaking in general

[shell hazel]

imo this would promote to 2RL yes though I'd still run ros p3 if you want to include her there

[shell hazel]

pass I rarely actually have to def anyone 😄

worst case you can just come up with working versions of both and try them, in theory think 2.5RL moran would be fine

or reasonably quick blanc / sanis also fine, just depends what is invested as CP does matter

[late tiger]

It's good

[thin perch]

@shell hazel this is what I got here

[shell hazel]

think that looks fine, if it's failing swap out moran for blanc / sanis comp

I dunno how effective ros is on scar team tbh, have you had good success with it? alt option there is a b1 buffer

[thin perch]

So earlier you were saying that scarlet team could reach 2rl from feeding?

[shell hazel]

but it adds some possible ros threat

it should promote to 2RL yes

anyone on jackal link who is hit will add burst gen to you

[thin perch]

Define good success unfortunately I can’t watch playbacks of SP

[shell hazel]

you do need to check who is linking if ros has a lot of atk though

[shell hazel]

send it on rookie I guess, as attacker

send that team into a mock battle somewhere (AI for example). Pause it and see who gets the jumpin jack flash buffs

you need to make sure scarlet is linked

jackal would link with 2 out of Scarlet / Ros / DrakeT depending on in game atk stat

[thin perch]

I’ll test that later then

[shell hazel]

also an option btw

ideally siren links here

you still promote to 2RL, siren has annoying stun on enemy, and b1 dmg buff

ideal link is siren / scarlet / jackal. If Drake T links consider a b3 or battery that is low atk like xMaiden

[swift mango]

Should I change or keep, guys. Help me decide.

[shell hazel]

hard to say...

[vapid lake]

Alt-f4 go to sleep wake up tomorrow morning and think long and hard with refreshed mind

[swift mango]

I don't think I could decide even after that. This is hard.

[strong hull]

Change it

[shell hazel]

an MA has appeared

maybe thien can help 😄

[swift mango]

[raven plover]

close the app so you dont have to choose

[strong hull]

Where rail-chan Blood-kun?

Havent see my lil bro doing work today

[swift mango]

He dropped out.

[strong hull]

Crashed out already?

[swift mango]

Call Rosy, the new MA chef.

[strong hull]

[shell hazel]

[strong hull]

Oh right he just got MA recently

[shell hazel]

yes us non MA are not helpful enough or so

you need to step up more thien 😄

[strong hull]

Have to train Rinn

[shell hazel]

start cooking the craziest things and it will be amazing

[strong hull]

Bro become MA and already give missinfor

[shell hazel]

damn don't have the dead emoji here

best I got

[strong hull]

Tbh i saw a lot of ppl applying MA nowaday but "some" doesnt help much

[tropic summit]

i'm always here

[shell hazel]

many don't do much here rail getting a bad back from all the carrying 😛

[tropic summit]

just not 24/7

[strong hull]

5 defs?

[shell hazel]

is there an upgrade package we can buy?

[tropic summit]

there's a lot of good SPs games that are stealing my time

[shell hazel]

speaking of I need to dive back into expedition 33 today

[tropic summit]

i've 10 minutes else in 4 hours

if you share some here i can start giving you some

[strong hull]

Im super free rn since a lot of new MA show up at Teambuilding lol

Free until next SR or UR

[tropic summit]

time to get cookin' then

[strong hull]

Ure not in CA right?

[tropic summit]

i am

[strong hull]

Then just send me ur 5

I have everything after all

[tropic summit]

you know that's not how it works

it's dependant on whatever you've actually built

[strong hull]

It will

I tried Dair one

Surprisingly worked well

[strong hull]

My pvp built, theyre all SR 5 and full OL

Will add more cs in the future

[tropic summit]

ok i will share one shortly then

[graceful grotto]

How's your CA rail

https://tenor.com/view/foxy-are-you-winning-son-fnaf-gif-11075631549888130918

[tropic summit]

next match will probably kick me out, china is building good teams unfortunately

[graceful grotto]

Same lolol

[tropic summit]

my refusal to invest in proper SG teams is backfiring

[shell hazel]

thought they had their own version of the game now

[graceful grotto]

Unless I pull through another clutch

[keen vapor]

Rail, electric raid

The time to invest summer Anis has come

[strong hull]

Only if they can merge their global account back to china

[strong hull]

Echocho san

[keen vapor]

Summer Anis

[graceful grotto]

When has the time for non invested Sanis ever be a thing

Invested Sanis was a thing when she first dropped

[keen vapor]

Mine only has 1 ele,2 attack

[strong hull]

Mica

[keen vapor]

While maiden is ¹ attack 2 ele

[keen vapor]

MLB Mica

[strong hull]

I dont think its gonna work

[graceful grotto]

Bro MLB xmica

Did u use her in CA?

[keen vapor]

My beloved

[graceful grotto]

[keen vapor]

I haven't entered CA even once

[atomic wolf]

/

[tropic summit]

i doubt you can build these though, as it has specific tailored nikke

keep a close eye to cubes and CS%

any extra CS% may be welcome ofc

[atomic wolf]

4RL GO CRAZY THO

[keen vapor]

Deserved

[atomic wolf]

soda on team 5 is something, i guess others work too

[strong hull]

His ahh cooked out of top 5 unfortunately

[tropic summit]

oh finally a RAID i can compete in for 3%

[keen vapor]

My Soda has not enough attack

[strong hull]

Good stuff Rail-chan. Now its mine

[tropic summit]

it's a merge of ideas i've gathered together with win ratios

in a very general broad sense those archetype tend to yield better victories, but it's still RNG on matchups

an archetype that can safely win against multiple archetype is to prefer (better win ratios)

[graceful grotto]

Interesting

[strong hull]

[tropic summit]

e.g. the SG team

[tropic summit]

once you've found and built those, let jesus take the wheel and

[graceful grotto]

Had smth like this hahahahaha

[keen vapor]

Defense cube why

[strong hull]

Ill take a look and adjust a bit then

[tropic summit]

if temperance prefer that over def cube, probably ran out of slots

[graceful grotto]

Darn that soda b1 be clutch stunning

[tropic summit]

if linked it's actually quite reliable on taunters (e.g. noah)

[graceful grotto]

Is her stun tauntable?

[tropic summit]

now with siren that'd make 2 teams potentially punishing noah (especially if p1)

[tropic summit]

yes

used to be the go-to for stunning prior to siren release

her stun is brief enough to allow your scarlet to burst through noah shield, not as long as siren is though (1s)

[spare nimbus]

How does emilia’s charge speed calculate?

I have her at 10 7 10 with 3.16 and 4.63

How do you get that 21%

[graceful grotto]

+13% from her S1

[graceful grotto]

Oh interesting hmmmm, should I built her kewk

[spare nimbus]

So to get the 38% you need all 4 black lines of charge speed + adjutant

[wise horizon]

I’m stomped for ideas on this. Trying to run 2RL but I don’t think I can win on both fights

[swift mango]

Isn't it sad when you gem for CA but then put out teams like this?

[covert lintel]

Why RL and SG dolls are so rare for me

[swift mango]

Don't combine unless absolutely needed.

I was lacking RL doll and combine so much now I lack MG doll instead

[ruby iris]

How can I improve my pvp teams? I'm getting destroyed in the new pvp lobby
I got basically every good nikke besides Rapunzel, XAnne and AnchorIM

Special arena ofc

[covert lintel]

I did combine too but around 1 or 2 time iirc

[ruby iris]

That 4RL is crazy ik

[swift mango]

I combined like 5-6 times

[ruby iris]

But idk how to improve it

[quick lake]

Traditionally
Scar Trina Siren Jackal 2RL
some Cindy Noah
SBS/Emilia leftovers

[ruby iris]

[quick lake]

SPA meta is the boring same few

[ruby iris]

Thx for the help

[quick lake]

Can check FAQ propaganda teams in Pins

[swift mango]

Siren easily countered in my bracket I had to use soda instead.

[ocean vapor]

something like theses generally, i think. pick 3 or 4 for team 3. ignore cubes, i forgor to remove. team 1 may need change due to jackal linking. I usually dont use lap+ here so i forgot

[quick lake]

Yeah. I think Siren is over-rated

[swift mango]

It's just not working well against some teams...

[quick lake]

[keen vapor]

Huh?

[swift mango]

Hardly anything counter Soda

Siren got countered by Scarlet counter.

Countered by Noise taunt. Counter by switch position

[keen vapor]

Switch position?

Noah P3 safe?

[swift mango]

If siren p1-2 just get Noise taunt

If siren p3-5 just get Noah out of P1.

You could get your Noah CS team to above 11% CS to completely ignore siren as well

So siren def won't work unless your opponent CS is bricked.

[covert lintel]

Moran 2rl fix siren in any position

[swift mango]

That's another hard counter

[quick lake]

Or ammo-less Scar P1

[keen vapor]

How to 2 RL Moran

[umbral belfry]

Oddly enough my 2 rl moran has been stunned by siren before still not sure how that happened

can't remember the opponent team

[swift mango]

Moran will be stunned after she burst.

If she stunned before she burst then it's not 2rl

[umbral belfry]

She was stunned before burst when it happened, I was so confused

thankfully I had rumani

[umbral belfry]

I ran moran rumani helmt bay lap+ 100% 2 rl

even had quantum on rumami for extra measure

[swift mango]

You need Quantum o. Rumani at least or it's 2.5rl

[umbral belfry]

maybe the opponent ran a lot of MG?

[swift mango]

[umbral belfry]

that's why I was so confused lmao

[swift mango]

Like I said, your team wasn't 2rl but 2.5rl below

[umbral belfry]

without quantum

[ocean vapor]

did any of ur unit die before burst

[umbral belfry]

none

and my rumani had quantum on her

I just don't remember the opponent team at all

[swift mango]

I remember it wasn't 2rl before, maybe sth wrong happened with that calculator or I was flipping. But you could have had a bullet whiff when you kill their p1 and your team no longer 2rl.

[umbral belfry]

interesting

[covert lintel]

You can have many variation with clip rl or helmT
But this is the best for me

[raven plover]

bro give 38% cs as example

[ruby iris]

So I shouldn't use laplace in T1(she's got the second highest attack)? Also I don't have Emilia (I forgot she's good in pvp lmao), who should I use in her place in T4?

[swift mango]

Imagine invested so much into a 2rl Emi just so she hit a 3rl Noah instead.

That team won't work in SpA DEF at all.

[ocean vapor]

I think you can do xmaiden in t1 and move lap+ into t4, sorry sleepy forgor, need to check jackal link to see if siren or xmaiden take links, just load team into union testing ground and check buffs. worst case scenario can put like SR anis instead

[unique wagon]

Because it eventually spreads out. You interfering with it means it will skew toward it in the long run

[covert lintel]

Of course it won't work on def silly you
The atker just bring rosanna to bang 2 water code

[swift mango]

Maybe it would confuse a scar Trina once, then they just bring scar Blanc to cleave it. No need to invest in Rossana

[unique wagon]

If a sorter sorts red ball from white ball, and both have 50% chance of appearing, you interfering with the result by moving one red ball to the white ball box means the white ball box will always have 1 more ball than the red one in the long run (if you average it).

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

[quick lake]

Math? in a gacha game?

[fiery parcel]

I should swap t3 to t2?

Noah vs scarlet. But not sure with rapu in the tea. As well

[quick lake]

yes should swap

[fiery parcel]

T1 should easily win

[fiery parcel]

My noah is barely within the deficit

[ocean vapor]

another full sweep

[fiery parcel]

Not sure what happened in t1. It was too fast?

Ssblitz lost.

CA is rigged

[calm gull]

[fiery parcel]

@swift mango also lost

😦

[onyx scaffold]

that 3RL team became 2RL wtf

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal I never popped off so hard before

[calm gull]

T1 & T2 2RL no?

[fiery parcel]

I think so. But not sure if scar b3 first or the opponent died first

[shell hazel]

let's see did I get my cheer right on Credit Arena

[fiery parcel]

I cant tell

[wet crystal]

You're out of t32 hell

[umbral belfry]

that sg and rosa is crazy

[umbral belfry]

IM FREEEEEE

[wet crystal]

4-1

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nic-cage-nicolas-cage-con-air-freedom-sunshine-gif-11101284117173771733

[onyx scaffold]

no frame

[umbral belfry]

this was the unexpected one

[covert lintel]

@swift mango sugar ftw

[cursive pike]

whoop. thanks for the help all

[shell hazel]

T1 is 2RL Mudster looks OK to me?

[wet crystal]

Their dps just disappears completely after you managed to take out the scar crazy

Another frame of damage and the result mightve been diff

[shell hazel]

unlinked scarlet at p1 though

[umbral belfry]

there was no jackal at all, I think it would've been a loss if there

but rosa dispels it, hm

at least I know there's a chance assuming rosa lives

[wet crystal]

Does the trina thing work differently in defense teams?

[umbral belfry]

what do you mean?

[fiery parcel]

Can i win this?

[wet crystal]

Left most electric ar invul?

[shell hazel]

trina i guess

[umbral belfry]

It should work the same no? I can't tell from personal experience though

[shell hazel]

that should be relatively safe even without jackal lol

[calm gull]

no

[shell hazel]

just deleted scarlet 😄

[wet crystal]

Oh I see it worked

[shell hazel]

was their scarlet weak?

[wet crystal]

It just got deleted so quick

[umbral belfry]

might need to boost rosa on my investment list

[shell hazel]

seems like you survived the nuke

[umbral belfry]

she didn't nuke at all

if she nuked that's 100% loss

[fiery parcel]

@shell hazel any chance of winning this?

[shell hazel]

ehhhhhhh dead

[umbral belfry]

oh I thought yoy meany scar's nuke

[shell hazel]

I did but yes just rewatching

[umbral belfry]

I'll invest a bit more into rosa for sure once I finish other things

[shell hazel]

did you check what your min cp is for deficit first?

[umbral belfry]

I think it depends on taunt priority here. also not sure of the speed

[shell hazel]

doing in my head doesn't work but you might be close

my Rosa is OK but I need gloves for her, and I need to roll atk on her 3rd piece

not deadly enough yet, need 40% atk in the end

took way too many rocks to get that black line piece to 10.40% atk

like 20? lol

don't want to roll the ele/ammo off 3rd bit just yet I need to put rocks elsewhere, my OG scarlet needs better rolls

also investing my drakeT some 🙂

[karmic smelt]

My Hoboman is unstoppable

[hexed nexus]

What's the ideal/optimal Scarlet-Jackal comp for Rookie arena rn?

[crystal flicker]

I fkin lost it

[shell hazel]

unlucky 😦

[crystal flicker]

It's literally the worst match up possible

[shell hazel]

Counter Arena haha

[crystal flicker]

Guess my biggest issue is Nero wants SR15

[shell hazel]

I dunno how deep I wanna go on nero tbh

even keripo doesn't run her

[crystal flicker]

Some OL for Quiry, Some ATK for Scarlet, Viper, etc

[shell hazel]

or quiry for that matter

[ocean vapor]

all in on emili8 38% fr fr ong /s

[crystal flicker]

Keripo doesn't run coz he as many option like Makima

[shell hazel]

my scarlet is .. meh rolled

needs some fixes, only ele % is good really, don't think we even want much ammo anymore with siren

[umbral belfry]

sir where are your atk rolls

[shell hazel]

I have no good line 3 rolls so it might even be a case of full rolls needed

I have blue line ele on line 1 somewhere 😄

[shell hazel]

well you see the thing about that is.....

https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-dipsy-running-away-scared-run-away-gif-25928776

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

nah I didn't really spend any rocks on scarlet yet, I was mainly just adding OL lines for cp at the time

so most of these are basic initial rolls. Just need so many rocks everywhere lol

although my scarlet is actually undefeated in CA...

18 matches won in a row, at least the 2RL version

[shell hazel]

you'd probably win the scarlet duel 😛

[calm lake]

Hmm, trying to figure out how my opponent's cinderella didn't get targeted here

[signal hull]

Damn. I lost... Ducking enemy Blanc. Hate.
On the upside, two-times previous "champ" in my bracket had been eliminated by some random :>

[swift mango]

Well, I used same Team as last season and HelmT team even in same position. Ofc it's a free win for someone who lost to it once and built to counter lol

It's a miracle I got this far already

[shell hazel]

decoy rng probably

[umbral belfry]

you must hone your blade

[signal hull]

Might consider working on my Rei:TN :/

[swift mango]

Actually I got many curious match up that I didn't get to test out in rookie or last season so I finally got my fill of my current line up. Next CA I would use a totally new teams.

[calm lake]

dang, unlucky i guess

[shell hazel]

cindy vs cindy is always going to be somewhat rng, also theirs may have better rolls

[swift mango]

I still got 3 different builds I didn't use.

[shell hazel]

their helm t got indom as well

[shell hazel]

I was really struggling with comps at a certain point, need more units to play with

I basically had to throw team 5 away as I couldn't really make it work

[swift mango]

Ehm just build more.

[shell hazel]

having LapT somewhat usable would help but not gotten the purple doll or the bond levels, I think she might be ready CA after next

[shell hazel]

building as fast as I can lmao 😄

[swift mango]

My current biggest problem is ReiT so easily fold to counter or SG teams, it's not worth it to use her sacc team as is anymore. The win rate is so low.

[shell hazel]

I didn't build mine, I don't see many using her

[signal hull]

My bracket's ex-2x champ just got owned by ReiT 😄

[swift mango]

I build as slow as I could.

[signal hull]

And by first Rei in next round too 😄

[swift mango]

Show me that reiT team, it's probably not a Sacc team

[shell hazel]

wonder if we'll see more of her showing up

[signal hull]

sec. She's max core tho

[shell hazel]

my Rei T will always be kind of basic I guess, only 1 copy

[placid bloom]

they are 3RL to your 2RL, so their Cinderella's decoy respawns after your Cinderella burst finishes.

[swift mango]

I only MLB could have gone for more copies

[shell hazel]

that is not Rei T

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

that is old Rei?

[signal hull]

Oh wait. Wrong team. But yeah, he beat the ex-champ with BOTH Reis.

[shell hazel]

lol

damn moran carry

[placid bloom]

just got unlucky tbh

[shell hazel]

SG into moran

[swift mango]

Take that core 7 aside their SG was just stuck countered by Moran, nothing special here

[covert lintel]

Boss, why did you get crushed instead?

[shell hazel]

scarlet nuke into noah

[placid bloom]

wait their BSoda couldn't even burst? The entire team took 0 damage other than Moran

[swift mango]

This is also not a Sacc team and scar got countered by Noah

[signal hull]

I wasn't even familiar with ReiT, is her nuke that strong? I see it's kinda like Scarlet's -- attacks all enemy team.
Is she worth investing, if I only have 1 copy of her?

[swift mango]

Hobo always lie.

[swift mango]

That scar team has zero protection. So she would fold to ReiT nuke

[atomic wolf]

i'm losing 4L 1W @umbral belfry

[signal hull]

Ok but I mean, I could use another proper Scarlet-like dps. Is she worth full investment at 1 copy?

[swift mango]

ReiT probably can't one shot whole team without buff but that's no problem she just needs to kill the team slowly

[umbral belfry]

lock in star 🗣️

at least we both made it gj and gl!

[calm lake]

ah i see, I was not aware of this interaction, thanks!

[swift mango]

If you have proper team for her, yes.

[signal hull]

179kCP Rei:T at max core, my best dps is like 140k.

[signal hull]

What's a proper team for Rei:T? :/

[covert lintel]

My sg team became the hero in this match
My 2&3 team never lost so far

[swift mango]

You have to figure it out yourself.

[signal hull]

I have the same team this guy has. Drake is "in the process of OL'ing".

Or maybe I should just wait for some new units...

[placid bloom]

I don't think she's worth it. She is just worse than Cinderella, and it is very hard to field a Scarlet team + Cinderella team and still have enough units left to field a 2RL ReiTN team

she's not naturally fast like Emilia

[signal hull]

Yeah alright.

[wind sluice]

Hi guys

Can anyone advise me on teams for the sp arena

[swift mango]

She is better than Cindy in that she doesn't fold to 3rl Noah team as a 2rl wipe

[atomic wolf]

my team vs their team

[wild patio]

Good job michel

https://tenor.com/view/black-goku-gif-7025426

[shell hazel]

having great fun changing my rookie def every day to see when this guy loses to it 😄

they must be like wtf every time they gotta see if they'll win or not

[atomic wolf]

@tropic summit thoughts when you wake up

[signal hull]

Heh. Two guys I have to pick between to cheer for both have one-in-one same teams 2. Nero/Moran/HelmT/Mana/Rapunzel. Same order too.

[wild patio]

[shell hazel]

oh poor michel

what a shame

https://tenor.com/view/brovius-gif-18504486

[wild patio]

He had it better than me wym

[shell hazel]

well he's kicked down the hole now

[wild patio]

[umbral belfry]

not sure where you got 4-1 you losing from. you have a chance, but your t2 and t4 (siren) has to clutch. if siren survives counters their scar is stunned

@atomic wolf

forgot to reply 😭

[atomic wolf]

they can't clutch

[umbral belfry]

very unfortunate t2 though

[signal hull]

Can anyone bother to explain this team to me please:

[atomic wolf]

t2 is a dead end because the shotgun will kill red hood before she gets to kill anyone

[umbral belfry]

yes, but their SGs are absolutely horrible

[atomic wolf]

as in?

they won't kill everyone right away, but the burst does

[umbral belfry]

yes you're at an disadvantage by attacking but 😭

when they touch scar there's a chance they poof

[atomic wolf]

hm

[umbral belfry]

I wouldn't entirely count it out. but yes you will have to clutch up

[placid bloom]

how built is your Centi

[atomic wolf]

mine?

[raven plover]

insane sr15 bay

[placid bloom]

oh their SGs are omega potato lol

[umbral belfry]

yeah that's why I said there's an actual chance here. rough def, but not impossible

[atomic wolf]

hm

[placid bloom]

I think you're both gonna be 3RL though

[shell hazel]

this is 0 invest SG team 😄

[placid bloom]

cuz even if Centi can get 1 shot off, she will die before 2nd shot

[atomic wolf]

quite diabolical if true

[signal hull]

And she'll... What, protect entire team by her doll alone? I doubt it. Funny thing, he actually manages to win with this team.

[atomic wolf]

but 3 is enough, if they attack centi first

[umbral belfry]

T2 - must survive
T4- siren must not die to scar's counters. if so, scar is stunned and you wipe

there's a chance

[placid bloom]

and you cannot be 2RL if Centi doesn't fire a 2nd shot

[atomic wolf]

no, t4 is easy

[shell hazel]

siren probably won't die to scarlet counters before she stuns

[atomic wolf]

fun fact it is realistically the only team that can win

from what i've calculated*

[umbral belfry]

lock in like you've never locked in before star

I believe in you

[atomic wolf]

i'd like to yank a 2rl scarlet team to try and fight a 3rl cindy but

no attempt nobody to fight

these people are stupid?

oh right they vote by rank

godspeed spiderman

[placid bloom]

well if she bursts you lose for sure, she has to be low ammo to dodge stun

[shell hazel]

higher level = you get all the votes dw

[umbral belfry]

check the reply to check if low ammo

[atomic wolf]

how much is qualified to be low ammo

[placid bloom]

30 and below is safe I think

without bastion cube

[raven plover]

well you dont need sr15 for that, shouldve used it on other basically its the usual sg ros, sg pew pew hard if someone dies ros s2 proc to fill burst bar, ros burst snipe 2 people, and yea thats it pretty simple. bay there to block aoe yea

[placid bloom]

if they are on bastion they are griefing

[umbral belfry]

they're at 34

[atomic wolf]

they have 34 xddd

winnable

[umbral belfry]

THERES HOPE

[placid bloom]

guess they lose. She will be indom but she will unstun mid Noah burst

[atomic wolf]

wait, does siren have to burst for the stun to work

[umbral belfry]

no

[atomic wolf]

amazing

if i win team 2 it's a wrap

[shell hazel]

nah she stuns just by pew pew

[umbral belfry]

that's why I said there's a chance once I checked it

[atomic wolf]

fair

i'll switch the vote to him now since i'm looking for loser border

after this i need to tweak grave team

[placid bloom]

team 2 depends, if your Centi is really potato and actually dies in 2 volleys and Anis dies in 2 as well I don't think you ever get to burst

but their SGs look really trash

[atomic wolf]

depends on how potato do you define it

[placid bloom]

no doll on 4 of them

only SR15 on Drake

[atomic wolf]

lmao lol even

[umbral belfry]

this is the most copium sg team I have ever seen

[placid bloom]

and only Pepper is wind

[atomic wolf]

got the spirit hto

[placid bloom]

I'd assume MPriv's burst is not leveled either

so even with DrakeT FB buff it's not lethal for RH

[atomic wolf]

my centi is 93k combat power with OL gears tempering cube and r0 doll

so now i have something to work on

[signal hull]

So. What I understand from all this sht with CA... Are two things:

1. I don't understand jack about CA.
2. CP still matters. A lot.
   Actually make this three things:
3. I EFFING HATE BLANC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111!!!!!!!11!!

[atomic wolf]

oh yeah @placid bloom have you seen my cindy/grave comp clip

@placid bloom

narrowly avoid death because biscuit had more atk than cindy literally

oh its this one my bad

[coarse lake]

no it's still 2 things, bc you're wrong about the second thing

[signal hull]

Then why do some high-CP teams absolutely annihilate the enemy 😠

[keen vapor]

Eon I'm finally 441, are you proud of me now?

[coarse lake]

bc the team is good while the other team is trash

[coarse lake]

[placid bloom]

oh yeah. I just normally assume Cinderella never gets targeted by Helm burst tbh, but I'm also more used to running her with another attacker

[keen vapor]

I did it I'm not bricked

[placid bloom]

so I've never actually seen if decoy blocks the Helm nuke or not

[umbral belfry]

In a way cp does matter yeah. while there's no cp deficit in CA, it's easy to tell when units are invested by cp alone

[swift mango]

probably not

[placid bloom]

I just assume Helm nuke hits support

[atomic wolf]

hell no it doesn't

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

At least we aren't same synch like before so congrats I guess. 🎉

[keen vapor]

You were 427?

[swift mango]

I mean when you were 381 ish

I'm only 403 now

[keen vapor]

[onyx scaffold]

they dont have Anne and Bay let them reach 3RL

[keen vapor]

I won! I won against Blood and @rich quail !

[swift mango]

But we started about 5 months apart.

[keen vapor]

40 levels

[onyx scaffold]

when will i win

[wild patio]

michel is taking 1 place above me

[swift mango]

Meaning 8 per months. Less bricked now but still kinda

[onyx scaffold]

i need 44 levels to win

[keen vapor]

Maybe next year

[umbral belfry]

my cheer...

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[keen vapor]

@tropic summit I won I'm finally in the synch I should be

[swift mango]

Now go ca

[wild patio]

Saving for Nikke 2?

[swift mango]

You should be 451 actually but that's not much different I guess.

[keen vapor]

@clear vessel is so it's true

[onyx scaffold]

Im moving to cn

[keen vapor]

Btw Malogro, I'm going to take C3 now

[covert lintel]

Now take C1

[keen vapor]

no

[keen vapor]

That's Malogro work

[swift mango]

Now is your chance to get to CA before the other 451 guys reach 461.

You have 10 level worth of time to do the unspeakable

[keen vapor]

2 extra wipeout is the only reasonable amount of gem cost while doing daily single for me

I waste on dispatch reroll as well....

[swift mango]

Why even do daily standard pull? Just save for your dream collab

Not like you are Rapu bricked like me.

[keen vapor]

My Tetra B1's are bricked though

Also RH

[swift mango]

Which units are you lacking again?

[keen vapor]

Limit breaks sir

I don't have MLB Soda

[lunar pawn]

[keen vapor]

I actually need her to get limit breaks to get enough attack

[lunar pawn]

wow darius beat darius, who'd have thought

[swift mango]

Neither do I. But that doesn't stop me from building her.

[keen vapor]

My Trina with one attack line does stop me

Also, I still don't have Maid Anchor

[raven plover]

[coarse lake]

it does

[raven plover]

bro cheating by having 2 accs

[onyx scaffold]

why did tech fail both acc

[keen vapor]

But it requires Cindy to be the highest attack unit

So it's hard

[coarse lake]

just have cindy burst first

[raven plover]

unlucky

[keen vapor]

right

[keen vapor]

But by then Noah shield is up

That's all I do, Noah Cindy

[keen vapor]

Give me Cindy in another team

.... Ah right, I should max Emilia skills

[swift mango]

I had to reroll to get 2 attack line for Soda because so

My Trina with 1 ATK line didn't stop me at all

[covert lintel]

Will my sg team win against this?

I'm defender

[swift mango]

Bruh you just slam into teams that you counter

Even got good positioning to counter them gg

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

It's Drake time

[swift mango]

I spent so much time on Delta that I didn't have time to build a new CA line up this season. I could used my old pre built ones though but I didn't test them out enough yet...

And I wanted to keep my HelmT team as is this season. Which cost me my lost today lol

[chilly furnace]

I cheer to get lost frame.. there always 1 that fkin win.. cant to this bs anymore

[raven plover]

same

[keen vapor]

Moran Helm bad?

[swift mango]

Just to concluded that Delta isn't really worth it because of her slow burst gen and weak effect. I have 1 team validate for her now though.

[chilly furnace]

The mechanics suckass fr..

[keen vapor]

Miranda

[chilly furnace]

99% of players can't get those. And they who have a chance also can't get them . Very enriched mechanic

[swift mango]

It's not but Moran helmT only has 2 viable variations.

2 RL Moran+Bay+Helm

2.5rl Moran+Nero+Helm

My 2rl Bay helm just lost to 2.5rl Nero helm today btw

[keen vapor]

It adds value to the frame itself 🥸☝️

[chilly furnace]

Just like this 2.5rl vs 2 rl moment

[swift mango]

I could use delta and Miranda+Emi actually but it's kinda weak just like Blanc instead of delta. Siren also kills it with RNG.

[chilly furnace]

What value. Those just cosmetic.. wont increase ur fps

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Kinda funny how I only got 1 match against Siren after I built my Emi to counter siren...

[keen vapor]

Flex value

[chilly furnace]

[swift mango]

It's normal. This is also a reason why MirandaT is worse than RH.... But my 2.5rl Cindy Siren would win this easily enough... Ofc they won't match me with such easy win ever.

[keen vapor]

SHE'S WORSE?

[swift mango]

She is better buffer but she can't B3 if Emi died

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit been a while since i got something vid worthy

[chilly furnace]

Probably remove noise for siren

[keen vapor]

Don't scare me

[chilly furnace]

Actually im not bother to make team.. its was snake team which i help him to test

[swift mango]

If you do that it won't be 2rl Cindy anymore and you could remove HelmT for Anis or Centi too

[swift mango]

[chilly furnace]

Might aswell do that. we slower so emil burst is hit when we have noah invul yea

[keen vapor]

Retro I'm not brick anymore
I'm 441

[fathom rock]

Im 408
See?
That makes sense now
Now go push 32-32

[keen vapor]

I'm still stuck on chapter 31...

[fathom rock]

Cant be that bad

[swift mango]

Why 441 at ch31? While I'm 401 at ch30?

[fathom rock]

Im 408 at 31 and about to clear it

[keen vapor]

I'm bad and don't have limit breaks, my CP is lower

[fathom rock]

Just ceecee

[keen vapor]

Siren is lower than Rapi

[swift mango]

I could try harder but it's okay.

See penguin almost clear ch30 at 381?

[covert lintel]

It's sugar time

[keen vapor]

Drake has ele advantage over Emilia :pepeh:

[fathom rock]

Yeah but i see penguin also has insane cp

And insane pc

[keen vapor]

Penguin what?

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

Nothing too insane for me though...

[fathom rock]

At 390 was like ch30 cc walled i think

[covert lintel]

Of course 2rl will lose

[fathom rock]

Penguin is good player
We all meet at cc anyway
And penguin has op ein
He will surpass me

[keen vapor]

thinking on doing this for my def

[keen vapor]

OP Ein? oh no!

[swift mango]

At least I'm not that far behind, unlike you.

[keen vapor]

I'm not behind

[covert lintel]

Isn't it the other way around?

[fathom rock]

Im behind like 10 stages
You are behind like 2 chapters
Push more

[swift mango]

I mean progression vs level wise

[keen vapor]

....... oh

[fathom rock]

Penguin ein so op he might do mc at 441

[limpid nebula]

my SPA can no longer defend, how to make like 2 very strong teams, i struggling to balance the cp

[keen vapor]

Where invested Emilia

[keen vapor]

WHERE JACKAL THAT SCARLET IS DYING

[swift mango]

His CP doesn't look that insane to me.

[limpid nebula]

i started around crust banner 🧱 i dont have jackal and noir

[swift mango]

But ofc he probably has better lines.

Way better

[fathom rock]

Because your cp is insane too

[keen vapor]

You'll have to use Anis if you don't have jackal....

[fathom rock]

Investing solo raid is taking a toll on my cp in all modes

[fathom rock]

Alice on t2
Slow scae on t3

[fathom rock]

Should i reduce raid invest and roll more campaign

[limpid nebula]

look at the cp, it get worse drastically lmao

[fathom rock]

204 yikes
Power rules

[limpid nebula]

at this point of time my scarlet aint surviving 1 - 2 sec

[keen vapor]

Bc Anis needs overloads everyone needs overloads

[fathom rock]

This is laughable but i still win those so does it matter

[limpid nebula]

PAIN

[keen vapor]

Oh you can skip that stage with the Bronchus trick

[fathom rock]

No i win those

[keen vapor]

OVERLOAD

[fathom rock]

You seriously need to prioritize cp

[keen vapor]

Skip

[fathom rock]

Just dont mind the pvp comp and push more campaign

[fathom rock]

I said i win those

[keen vapor]

[sand gazelle]

can someone help, I lose this

[keen vapor]

21 is way worse!!!

[limpid nebula]

i pushed only on these and tdrake

[fathom rock]

Cindy p1....
Swap siren for centi or a clip rl and you secure the win

[keen vapor]

Noah Blanc have Moran?

[limpid nebula]

but now my pvp is bricked

[swift mango]

It doesn't matter when we both lose to Havel anyway. You also start 1 month before me I think.

[keen vapor]

Then overload

[fathom rock]

Can invest later and carry yourself via power by pve invest till like lv300

[limpid nebula]

i dont have as well no fodder gears too rock non-exist

[fathom rock]

I bricked a bit thats to #questions and i push higher deficits than havel its fine

[keen vapor]

make it a goal

Base overload everyone

[swift mango]

Havel hit 32-32 at 410.

[keen vapor]

You won't have something better until that

[sand gazelle]

Thank you, I won

[fathom rock]

Yeah cuz he has 850k power at that lvl smh
I cant fathom that

[fathom rock]

You are welcome, feel free to ask anytime the MA team will be to your assistance

[keen vapor]

[limpid nebula]

yeah your right

[swift mango]

Just a bit more than me I guess.

Just get lucky

[keen vapor]

:menhera jump:

[fathom rock]

He has good lines too

[swift mango]

Just get lucky

I don't have the luck but you can

[fathom rock]

I tried, failed miserably
Its rng

[shut seal]

Could Noah-Bisc-Cindy-THelm-Rumani counter: Scar-THelm-Rosanna-Blanc-Jackal?

[keen vapor]

Blanc.... I think so

[swift mango]

How to win CA @mateam

[fathom rock]

Id swap cindy out and b3 helm instead if she invested

[keen vapor]

Retro, no

Helm will die against that Rosanna

[fathom rock]

Nuke the link before indom and he is faster so gets noah to shield her

2rl vs 3rl

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Maybe, maybe not.

[shut seal]

I can just try it now and let you guys know - but who to sub in for Cindy?

[fathom rock]

But is helmT treasure maxed out and invested? This is important

[swift mango]

2rl vs 2.5rl actually

[shut seal]

Yeah maxed THelm 10-10-10 full OL5

[sand gazelle]

Hmm actually, it worked for 2 fights, and it stopped working. What happens is his noah dies, and then his blanc burst, and then for them, only Helm and Cindy lives. But everyone targets Helm, but she has Indom, so them both just kills the rest of my team.

[fathom rock]

We casually assuming 17cs?

[swift mango]

HelmT doesn't need 15-17% CS actually.

If it's 3rl, 2rl Cindy could work

[fathom rock]

Scar nuke would be a more consistent clunter, cindy burst has rng

[sand gazelle]

Ah yea, my scarlet isnt built unfortunately

[fathom rock]

How much then?

Also noah would still block if 2.5 no?

[swift mango]

About 0%cs to be 2.5rl with this team.

With enough feed it could easily hit 2rl

[umbral crown]

[shut seal]

Sorry, how about I ask differently - what’s a good comp to counter Scar-THelm-Rosanna-Blanc-Jackal assuming I have mostly everything?

[umbral crown]

Always trust yourself

The key apparently is to get low % to win

[fathom rock]

cindy and pray to tank still too risky
And 1 jackal proc shoudlnt be enough tho?

[fathom rock]

This typa advice would've got me to lose most my cheers

Im skill issued

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

It's p1+2 linked, so 2 jackal proc and some counter. More than enough to be 2.5rl

[umbral crown]

Pu do not trust enough

[fathom rock]

Where is scar sac ross when we need it

Cindy is the only idea i really have and thats risky

[swift mango]

I didn't trust myself to win today but still bet on myself to win on principle. It means bet for the other guy to lose. And ended up cost me the loser cheer this time.

[umbral crown]

Next time trust harder

[sand gazelle]

So what would be a scar nuke comp against that comp

I tried building her just now

[fathom rock]

You just casually build her?
How well?

[sand gazelle]

4 atk 3 ammo 1 ele

[fathom rock]

Skill and doll?