pvp-arena

[swift mango]

You don't look at CP alone but doll and core comparing to CP to know if they had investment or not.

Core +7 units could easily be 90k with zero investment.

[grand plaza]

#pvp-arena message

I am definitely not confident with the result

[swift mango]

SR15 Helm but not treasure her before CA... Maybe bro was late 1 minutes or sth.

[grand plaza]

No dupes

[swift mango]

[grand plaza]

You still think the same about the first match?

Pretty much all SR15 dolls with Core 5

Bottom all have SR5 with 2 MLB

[swift mango]

So long as enough skill investment bottom would wipe.

[grand plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-chaldea-chaldea-rathskeller-yo-airion-gif-19440131

I am losing all and pretty close to that frame

[leaden canyon]

I'm the top team and I'm attacking, who wins here?

[swift mango]

Probably top

[placid bloom]

L/W/W/?/W probably, Idk if your SAnis outdamages Helm lifesteal because you have to kill them before Biscuit invin wears off since Biscuit will probably die to LapT splash and you won't get a second invin on Moran

probably hard through Moran Bay

[swift mango]

Top
Top depending on investment
Probably top
Likely top
Bottom

[placid bloom]

nvm yeah t5 is Jackal fed to 2RL

[leaden canyon]

plus 19% ele from 15 resilience

That helm is going to die at least

[stuck pike]

thanks for winning this time. successful cheer.

[leaden canyon]

[placid bloom]

actually team 1 bot more squishy than I originally though, maybe you burn through everything and even if Rapu revive it's not enough

I thought they'd live a little longer and get Rapu Blanc

[leaden canyon]

core 7 drake and core 6 noir

[placid bloom]

but SAnis p1 is so squishy

[swift mango]

Oh wait, P2, if Noah steal taunt from Noise and they had better investment, Noise would burst before Scarlet, Noah would be invulnerable and Cindy could tank the wipe.

[keen vapor]

Resilience ele gets doubled at max level.... Huh

[placid bloom]

I think it's gonna depend on if LapT is the highest Atk cuz Moran will taunt one of the hits

[leaden canyon]

she for sure does

[placid bloom]

and you probably aren't killing LapT through Bay since she is still lifestealing off Biscuit

at least until Biscuit dies

[leaden canyon]

My brain was like, wait wut

[swift mango]

Oh nvm

[placid bloom]

what you mean

[leaden canyon]

I dont remember the attacker buff she has

[placid bloom]

it's Helm burst, Biscuit p2 invin Moran p1. No self steroid but it's FB so she should still lifesteal a decent amount if she's chunking Biscuit no?

so she tanks your SAnis with Bay dmg share

and Moran tanks the other hit

Moran has her own lifesteal + Helm lifesteal

[swift mango]

Moran ain't life stealing because their Moran Invulnerable

[placid bloom]

I guess

[umbral belfry]

@coarse solstice btw that husky from yday cried for my entire shift and then crashed out. dramatic ass 😭

I still love them though

[placid bloom]

hmm 5 sec is long time, maybe Moran gets gunned down by LapT and then you can hit Helm + LapT

[swift mango]

Same to helmT... LapT could eat at Biscuit a little.

But if helmT had higher ATK than LapT then HelmT would die fast.

[placid bloom]

if Helm has higher Atk they probably lose

[swift mango]

Without any dmg dealer bottom would lose.

[leaden canyon]

If I had to put money on who has higher attack, probably the more meta helm

[coarse solstice]

Literally all of them are drama queens 🤣 I want to record the next grooming appointment of Dapper he sound like he's dying (even though it like a day spa for dogs.... LMAO)

[swift mango]

It's the other way around for me.

[leaden canyon]

lol

I think my helm has more

[coarse solstice]

I keep forgetting to get another picture of him I'll have to do that soon with the nice weather

[swift mango]

My helmT has 3 Ele, 4 CS and zero ATK

[tropic summit]

time to hit finals

[swift mango]

Did you?

[tropic summit]

RIP, bad matchup for helmT

[swift mango]

Did you.

Maybe Rail didn't make it yesterday and his prediction was right for himself.

Explain the silence.

[coarse solstice]

All good that part of it. Still Top 16 isn't bad at all ❤️

[tropic summit]

do you've rumani or any other clip SG beside noir to spare?

[swift mango]

Product 23 is always around. Don't forget Pinne or will come to eat your sock.

[tropic summit]

no clue i don't remember tbh

too many ppl asking for matchups i forget most of them

red fish memory levels

[swift mango]

Yes including yourself.

[tropic summit]

naga centi cind xmaiden noise
scarlet liter trina noir jackal
noah biscuit s.anis siren sbs

if you've rumani, replace SBS with rumani (keeps siren stun at the cost of less CP) or siren with rumani (loses stun but retains CP)

[tropic summit]

blue units still matter in SParena

[swift mango]

Maybe CA, Maybe if you are whale enough.

[onyx scaffold]

bottom = attacker. please help

[tropic summit]

either way i won all of my cheers for now

gotta get those boxes 💰

[leaden canyon]

oh damn you lost?

[dim sapphire]

need two more guess correctly so i want to request people's opinion here on who will this match. I'm leaning toward VINOS

[leaden canyon]

Must have been some bad rock paper scissors

[swift mango]

Me too. Cheering for myself. Either I got to champ and get all frame or I don't.

[tropic summit]

it was, but that's CA

the moment you make teams that can be countered, you take the risk

i've only 2 teams that can win against multiple archetypes

need to get a 3rd up if i wanna have a chance

next season i'm gonna try the 4 team approach

[copper creek]

CA is already a solved game mode for most people

[leaden canyon]

I think every team currently has a counter

[copper creek]

its just rock paper scissors as u said lol

[tropic summit]

unless you're keripo or merry

i fear their paper can beat scissor sometimes

[copper creek]

even for merry its solved lol

[tropic summit]

wew for real

[copper creek]

im not sure about keripo idk what they run

[leaden canyon]

I'm still surprised Keripo lost with all those investments

[tropic summit]

keripo has beast tier teams this season

[copper creek]

moran/quiry/nero is beatable by blanc

[swift mango]

Merry lost to Hobo last session.

[tropic summit]

just CA things

[swift mango]

Hoboman the champ

[copper creek]

wait keripo lost this season?

[placid bloom]

no

[swift mango]

Not that fast

[copper creek]

dair said what he did lmao

but yea

[swift mango]

Keripo lost last time because he tried to CP pad his teams.

[dim sapphire]

more like he overcooked

[swift mango]

This time it's still luck though, good luck to him not getting countered.

[tropic summit]

scarlet xmaiden trina siren jackal (no reason here to expose trina in p2)
looks ok
looks ok

[copper creek]

Not exactly true

we got jebaited into thinking we were setting only def teams

and could set atk teams later

[swift mango]

I remember he said, Privaty was one of his highest CP.

[copper creek]

yeah thats true in effect but wasnt done by design

there were merits to having privaty where she was

that we have tested and known for at least a year

but yeah season1 was funny

[crystal flicker]

F

[copper creek]

too many assumptions, not enough information

[shell hazel]

hi @tropic summit !

[swift mango]

Privaty still suck... Unless he assumed it's win count so he wanted to build to salvage at least 1 def win.

[copper creek]

yes correct this was the assumption we were working off

[grand plaza]

I wonder if privaty would work with a shotgun team

[copper creek]

we didnt know this mode was going to be a complete meme

[oblique ridge]

@keen vapor @swift mango @tropic summit Sky lost That R4 fight where Noah was going to win, was a loss instead. Team SG killed Noah dead by 1:26 on battle clock

[crystal flicker]

Do you know what

[copper creek]

like now that we know the actual format, all the 'best' teams to run are stuff that doesnt look super creative

[swift mango]

But there are still better ways than that, it's hard to imagine 3-4RL teams could def anything with current burst gen economy and letting you a whole day to make ATK team.

[copper creek]

everyone thought that too until we actually tested it

[crystal flicker]

What a bs

[swift mango]

No way anything could stand

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[oblique ridge]

The other calls were however correct

Close one. If Noah had been able to live and burst, would be Sky advancing

[placid bloom]

0 dmg Helm

[tropic summit]

SG going stonks in CA

[copper creek]

and well, we dont have enough burst gen units to make 5 megafast teams

[keen vapor]

I'll never win champion I low invest

[swift mango]

You tested it and couldn't find any teams to win 5/5 against his comps? After all the brain stomping

[copper creek]

so if they want to burn all of them to make a 2rl against privaty

thats less trouble to attack the other teams then

[crystal flicker]

That so bs ffs

HelmT instant die against SG Comp

[tropic summit]

top 16 looks like a pretty good result, have some pats

[tropic summit]

aloha

[shell hazel]

[placid bloom]

Maiden is too strong

[shell hazel]

Rail, Mihara doko?

[tropic summit]

soon TM

[copper creek]

the bulk of privaty testing was done a year ago (or even further back)

i am on vacation in nowhere and i dont know by memory who is running what teams

[oblique ridge]

Now that I have mixed cheer results, I stop paying attention now

[tropic summit]

that POV from behind is gonna make you thirsty

[crystal flicker]

In other place, 3RL ScarBS beating 2RL SAnis + Biscuit Defender

[copper creek]

but yeah at this point now that we know what we do

[swift mango]

Well, at least we know the rule now so no more assumption.

[copper creek]

obviously with the format being the way it is, there is no merit to privaty of course

[copper creek]

ya exactly which is why no one run privaty in s2

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[swift mango]

There are though.

[copper creek]

not anyone who actually understood why u use her, lol

[magic marsh]

finally

[shell hazel]

it's rookie arena no big deal, go win SPA 😄

[shell hazel]

I needs it

[dull ocean]

Thank u for that

[shell hazel]

my precious

[copper creek]

i dont doubt that there are ppl who would run anything

[magic marsh]

anyone could make me a team comp? for defense purposes

[tropic summit]

another china top 8 incoming

[copper creek]

whether they are running it cuz they saw it or because they actually understand it is another matter

[swift mango]

[magic marsh]

ill be asking @tropic summit tho xD

[shell hazel]

it's good to see Railtracer cook wasn't miles off mine own 🙂

[tropic summit]

throw centi and pepper in synchro

[shell hazel]

go with what Rail said though

[rotund swan]

One of these guys is on my rookie league.

[magic marsh]

yeah, rail really helps me a lot in rookie, i already in C10 because of trail

[shell hazel]

Railtracer-sama

[crystal flicker]

2RL 2RL either 3RL or 2RL depend on sacc, 2.5RL 2.5RL

[magic marsh]

okay, will do

[cedar orbit]

bro got skill diffed so hard by rolling into attacker

[dull ocean]

I use your team and i reach top 56 its work

[copper creek]

y sbs and sanis together

[magic marsh]

done trail-sama!

[shell hazel]

rail managed to make team 3 4RL instead of not quite 4RL, I think both works but take his teams they're not miles off mine 🙂

[crystal flicker]

SAnis invested, it's a pity if I just bench her and I don't have other clip RL to boost the gen

[placid bloom]

can fit Siren on team 5 and still reach 3RL with Jackal

[compact lintel]

I need help building my SP team. As you can see here, idk what im doing

[dull ocean]

I will try both

[swift mango]

where siren

[crystal flicker]

Might do this tho

[shell hazel]

either way think you're good, and will do a bit better than before 🙂

[tropic summit]

centi liter privaty biscuit noir
naga alice pepper anis mana
quency crown siren tia jackal

[crystal flicker]

Consider 3RL ScarBS is nice

[shell hazel]

aim for top 30 if you can, just needs some investment into the core pvp units (jackal/centi etc). aim for 4 OL and 4/4/4 skills + R-15 or SR-5 doll (long term goal)

helm treasure would be your best PVE + PVP investment if you can get her

[swift mango]

not as nice as you think

[magic marsh]

damn, thanks rail-sama!

[dull ocean]

On wishlist

[tropic summit]

T1 unprotected blanc
T2 cindy p1... gives enemy RL 1.75x extra burst gen
T3 biscuit on a jackal team? unbuffed scarlet?

[crystal flicker]

She's beating 2RL tho

[tropic summit]

daily reminder to not run cindy in p1

[swift mango]

baby making possible blanc

[tropic summit]

at least it's a purple doll blanc

could've been a blue doll blanc with no OL

[compact lintel]

yet somehow im on top 6

[lethal geyser]

worst analysis ive seen in my life, 0/10 I win 5-0

[tropic summit]

indeed, we all wish we had your opponents

[swift mango]

the purple made her pregnant

[compact lintel]

😭

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

either way if you wanna upgrade those teams just share your box @compact lintel

[shell hazel]

if you get desperate you can go for Helm with gold mileage but it's not recommended

see if you luck into her meanwhile

gold mileage should be used mainly for pilgrim / overspec / collab limited

[compact lintel]

okie, heres my box

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

can work with these, also get that helm treasured asap

[compact lintel]

working on it, its on lvl 12 rn

[swift mango]

[compact lintel]

hadnt been lucky with the super success

[crystal flicker]

GUESS WHAT #gacha-rolls message

[swift mango]

my miranda reach pity sr14.

[compact lintel]

[crystal flicker]

Now this is though choice

[shell hazel]

no idea who could be so evil! 😄

[crystal flicker]

Where should I put Rapunzel

[shell hazel]

8 > 4 clearly

higher number wins!

[grizzled bone]

[tropic summit]

scarlet xmaiden blanc rh jackal
noise centi cind emilia rumani
noah biscuit siren sbs laplace

quantum on jackal, xmaiden, biscuit, laplace (these last 2 to hit 3RL threshold on T3)
vigor on blanc, noise
temperance on noah
any other nikke run highest lvl cube

finish helm treasure
wishlist trina
raise CP asap on rumani, biscuit, jackal, noise, noah, centi... they're down bottom, core pvp units

make your own CA comp then share it and you can get feedback

you've the skills now, no excuses

[compact lintel]

Thank you

[tropic summit]

[vapid barn]

Best analysis I’ve ever seen. 10/10

[shell hazel]

locomotive copier

[crystal flicker]

Why it's getting harder lmao

P5 seems abundant with using Biscuit and Jackal together

Idk if I should re-cook sacc comp

[tropic summit]

btw if you agree:

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1366830829723979906

personally getting tired of playing screenshot simulator

[spiral onyx]

You broke my perfect win streak

[placid bloom]

I think Biscuit is still better with the Noah team, worse case scenario it eats Soda B1 and gets stopped but you still FB and that's assuming you even see that matchup

[scenic hatch]

Yes I even won twice

[tropic summit]

jackal noah and biscuit in the same team? scratch it already

[crystal flicker]

That's not 2RL tho?

Sure I have 17% Noah, and she'll work great with Biscuit to make 2.5RL, but then Cindy wont reach 2RL

[tropic summit]

T1 change it
T2 give jackal or a revive or a rosanna here
T3 you're too low invest to make this worth yet, but you can try i guess
T4 bad
T5 a clip SG would be better than naga, but good

also: if you plan to run bay, make sure it's a 2RL

[placid bloom]

if you replace Noise it's still 2RL, realistically they are not tanking Cinderella without Noah even if she is not buffed

[crystal flicker]

Are you sure ditching Noise

[placid bloom]

I think Noise is unnecessary, Cinderella just does that much damage

she is more for surviving Scarlet nuke

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thank-you-sir-aww-thanks-gif-7826538383492806977

[placid bloom]

than for buffing your own damage

but since you already have Noah to tank Scarlet it's redundant

[tropic summit]

bay is dead against scarlet or indom nuke 2RL, at your own risk

[scenic hatch]

How come I can’t continue to bet on you if I lost to you

Now I have to think

[spiral onyx]

Cause it's RNG who you can bet on once you're no longer an active participant

Who is my opponent?

[scenic hatch]

Zero

[shell hazel]

I feel your main opponent is yourself 😄

[spiral onyx]

This is also true

[placid bloom]

LapT p2 on team 5 since she's Jackal linked, you want her to get hit

[spiral onyx]

Share brackets, I don't want to log in to the game yet

[shell hazel]

but I'm rooting for you, I can't bet on you as I think you're in a diff league/region to me 😛

[scenic hatch]

Then if you win, you face Djao or Lol -i-con

[placid bloom]

Idk if the team 3 sac work, Crown kinda tanky and if she dies you have no B2

[crystal flicker]

Oh ye

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

getting around the censors? 😄

like with mango man instead of well known orange guy

[crystal flicker]

That sacc, should defeat this if not for Rapun rev

[scenic hatch]

@spiral onyx

[placid bloom]

probably okay then

[tropic summit]

@spiral onyx why are you there twice

ironic that you'll fight against your own cooks

[placid bloom]

3/4 bottom half is same alliance

[crystal flicker]

It should be Makima tanking, sadly I'm makiless lmao

[tropic summit]

top has 2 sin members fighting each others

[shell hazel]

we gonna get some guild drama 😄

[tropic summit]

@swift mango thoughts?

[placid bloom]

Ros one-shot into Mana revive

the prediction for the prediction

[tropic summit]

ye that's gonna be popcorn worth

[scenic hatch]

Technically used to be 4/4

[placid bloom]

I wonder if Ros can one shot Scar and Mana at the same time

[tropic summit]

that's the thing, mana may revive scarlet before dying, because revive takes precedence over death

a matter of how it was coded

[crystal flicker]

What's other comp if not sacc?
Still have Noise Rapu Moran SAnis

[scenic hatch]

Okay at least I have 2 members in bracket 2..

[spiral onyx]

Bruh. The bottom half is literally Civil War. Those are all my cooks, just in different order lol

[scenic hatch]

Zero as well?

[spiral onyx]

No, Zero has his own cooks

[placid bloom]

oh you can make Moran p1 Noise p5 stall team to not lose to SG or Siren stun

[crystal flicker]

#pvp-arena message
You know Rosa target Scar and Mana in this comp, but only gets like 80% HP and Ein finish them

[placid bloom]

yeah but as long as Mana gets revive it doesn't matter

only Scar needs to live to burst

[swift mango]

Left win the 3rd. Mana can't revive because Rossanna dispel

[crystal flicker]

but then Rosa won't burst

[placid bloom]

oh I forgot the condition for the revive

[spiral onyx]

Luckily I know Djao and Uma are heavily underinvested so should be an easy win against them if I win against zero

[boreal mango]

is this right? I'm second guessing myself cuz most people cheer for top one

[crystal flicker]

Maybe I can put Rosa in ScarBS comp and Siren with Moran and Noise

[shell hazel]

most people cheer for highest commander level with no brain tbh

I've seen person win with 10-20% of votes often

[swift mango]

Right could salvage by winning 2nd though. With Rapu rev

[placid bloom]

I still don't understand how the % works when it's yourself in the cheer, is it always red left/blue right or are you blue and opponent is red

[crystal flicker]

actually no, Rosa will get linked by Jackal if I put her there

[worthy sorrel]

locked af

if you won the coin toss in our match, i'd need you to go on to win the ship. now i gotta do the same

[tropic summit]

ye looks about right

[worthy sorrel]

also @placid bloom you're in our bracket? congrats on top 8! what's your in game name?

[tropic summit]

dunno their nero isn't fully invested

although high tier doll

[placid bloom]

HYDRA

[worthy sorrel]

oooo nice. up against the only previous top8.

I'm also up against what looks like the only other big core dust whale, so seems pretty fitting lol

[boreal mango]

so far the majority was right, that's why I wanted to make sure that I'm not missing something 😄

[placid bloom]

ye my match is kinda rough, I think it's as far as I go

[dire root]

Oh good, 3 cheers half way to frame

[shell hazel]

with no risk most will just follow the crowd tbh

[dire root]

The majority was wrong 2 times in a row for me

I went against them

[worthy sorrel]

frgff puts up good teams. I was impressed with their cook last time too

i haven't dived into any match ups yet. I can't tell yours or mine at a glace, but I also can't usually tell after diving deeper into the match ups, so just gonna stay positive for now and say we both win 🤷‍♂️

[crystal flicker]

Is this gonna work

The gen seems very slow

[placid bloom]

I'm at a pretty big unit disadvantage. No Noah, no Trina, no XMaiden. That's 3 meta RLs that automatically slow down my teams.

[lunar pawn]

So did keripo win

[placid bloom]

I have to make some cheese teams and hope they get a counter matchup

[dire root]

Do decks change between fights or are they set in stone at the start?

[daring gust]

Help guys

[worthy sorrel]

top8 no noah is crazy. that's actually awesome

[crystal flicker]

You can only set it at qualifier

[placid bloom]

there's one other guy that has no Noah in top 8 too, the one with the Scarlet pfp and ReiTN frame I think

I remember checking all the comps

just gotta get nice pathing in top 64

[worthy sorrel]

oooo the one up against delphox? delphox is in my rookie and sp arena and stoked to seem them make it all the way to top bracket. always feel a bit bad in rookie seeing awesome looking defensive teams and cp diffing by like 150 levels

[dire root]

Oh wait Cindy P2 is going to give top more gen and indom SBS before Cindy right?

[placid bloom]

doesn't matter, that team never kills indom SBS

[shell hazel]

cindy p2 is 125% burst gen

it's not as bad as p1

[placid bloom]

unless you're 1RL faster

[quick lake]

not that meaningful here imo. Got chance that bottom lives

[spiral onyx]

3RL Cindy...

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[dire root]

Oh right Cindy is also a B3 and Blanc is a B2

[quick lake]

depending how invested Maid Amchor

[placid bloom]

there's no way for that team to redirect indom

[shell hazel]

she just taking it slow (and beautiful)

[dire root]

So I suppose the only chance is if SBS dies before burst

[worthy sorrel]

this is my matchup right? will just say i haven't won a single match up on team 1 i think whole tourney

[placid bloom]

and you're never killing SBS before Blanc bursts with 3x defender 2x support team

[dire root]

Yeah it is.

[worthy sorrel]

what chatting with urawhat about that team and think I need to overload rapu so indom works better

[swift mango]

Idk if you underestimate 3rl Cindy but it's just as good as 2rl Cindy for CA.

Counter different things.

And got countered by the same thing

[placid bloom]

isn't the 3RL Cindy teams on Noah though

that's more Noah carrying than Cindy

[swift mango]

The zero buff requirements Cindy is also carry Noah. Because they compliment each other.

There is no wiper that could go as well with Noah.

And wiping naturally beat lots of comps. Including the annoying SG team. Ofc it's depending on your comp and investment.

[worthy sorrel]

we are all baby nikke in this bracket. feels like only 1/4 of the teams are even fielding 2 2rls. everyone is missing sanis/emilia/etc.

i think most of the cindy teams i've seen are running 3rl. i am too lol

[spiral onyx]

Unbuffed Cindy can be tanked
Single buffed Cindy is extremely hard to tank (investment gap)
Double buffed Cindy is impossible to tank
So the counters to Cindy are indom. Biscuit, Blanc and Noah. Those are all B2s so speed is important

The other counter is SGs. If you are too slow at 3RL your team can die before Cindy bursts. Hence the need for 2RL Cindy

[lone sequoia]

rh cindy

[worthy sorrel]

my 3rl cindy team lost to urawhat's bay team too. bay eats it all

[swift mango]

Cindy is also naturally counter SG if invested enough and right positioning. So it goes both ways.

[spiral onyx]

That was me last season cause I had assumed SP Arena attack rules so didn't run any SG team. Now that there's a whole SG team with no overlap in units with the other 4, it's a lot easier to build faster teams

[spiral onyx]

Oh I mean more that Cindy can't burst cause the B1s and B2s are dead

[swift mango]

That's why you bring 2b1 and 2b2.

[placid bloom]

I still don't understand why Guilty and Isabel have clip SG reload timers but mag SG burst gen

the 2x 5SG team dream dead

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/i-suppose-gif-24625286

I run a 2RL Cindy with 17% charge speed so mine bursts at like 1.7RL before their B2

[swift mango]

I don't have that investment. Not many have that.

[shell hazel]

my next matches, what you guys think? I'm bottom/def

[spiral onyx]

Actually against SG team this still might not work. Since even if you have a backup, you're now down burst gen and gonna be 3.5RL or slower

[shell hazel]

I think I win 3/4 at least

[lone sequoia]

they have, the thing is that those people want more lines, not only cs in OL

[swift mango]

Only CS and I would be killed in SpA

[lone sequoia]

yep

[shell hazel]

my matches @spare brook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0euZTH6Q0qk

[spiral onyx]

Budget 3RL Cindy comp lol

Or, if you want to free up Helm

[crystal flicker]

Why 3RL Cindy

[swift mango]

Yeah, it's often sth like this but Noise better p1 because it's rather her dying than Noah.

[worthy sorrel]

the forbidden frima/makima tech

frima is not on your tier list so I just assumed she doesn't exist

[swift mango]

My 3rl Cindy is pretty much undefeated this season. Siren is too good.

[crystal flicker]

Should I put Rosa in SG comp and make them 3RL, or should I put Pepper and make them 2.5RL?

My Cindy got obliterated by SG

Like bloody hell

[swift mango]

I met SG team yesterday, they all got stuck hitting Cindy decoy.

[crystal flicker]

Weak SG comp

[swift mango]

Can't be helped all SG comps got stuck there.

[crystal flicker]

btw Should I put Pepper or Rosa in SG?

Keripo using 3RL Rosa SG

[swift mango]

Both work actually... 5 SG or Rosa+3 SG both had it's benefit I guess... But Rosa+Anne+3SG is the meta variation right now...

Not that I could run it even if I wanted to.

[crystal flicker]

I'm Anneless lmao

[swift mango]

To be frank Idk why peeps burst with B.Soda in that comp it's barely tickled...

The Drake burst was the reason a Cindy team lost to it most the time in my observation....

Or just auto attack

B.Soda burst virtually useless

[lone sequoia]

more pressure to p1/p5 or burst gen, siren* is ok(still weak against biscuit teams) rosanna have more pressure because she bring burst gen to the team with her S2 and xanne is a revive, still you want tempering in rosanna and SR15 or she wil die before 2RL against scarlet S2

SG team needs to cover elements

[crystal flicker]

2RL Cindy vs Bloody SG lmao

[swift mango]

That's why 2rl Cindy weak. They need to run HelmT and can't put Cindy p5.

[lone sequoia]

iron nuke is just ok, the problem is that not many build SG for pvp, +3ele/atk/ and crit rate lines, if you want to sacc a unit just drop the nukes in p1-p2 and for iron is her or sugar

[swift mango]

The problem is Anne revive, you will always burst with P1. So B.Soda will always nuke and being useless whether she sacc or not. It's worse if she sacc because she loses her coin buff.

[crystal flicker]

Something like this #pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Still virtually useless.

[crystal flicker]

I mean I lost that match up, but I won monthly pack from #questions lmao
It's all fair game

[swift mango]

Unbuffed ReiT barely able to finish what Rossanna left off. B.Soda burst not doing anything.

[crystal flicker]

How ReiT can't finish tho

Even my Ein can finish what Rosa did

[swift mango]

What do you mean won monthly pack?

[swift mango]

Can, not, cant

[crystal flicker]

#questions message

[swift mango]

Your Ein is with buff though...

[crystal flicker]

It's that Sacc comp with P23 and Neon

[swift mango]

Yeah.
.

[crystal flicker]

Rosa gets 80% hp, aint no way B3 Nuke can't finish it

[swift mango]

Depending on which buff it is but yeah, b.Soda after revive is the weakest wipe you could think of, it's barely tickled.

Rossana could deal 80% or 50% or 0% is case by case though....

[crystal flicker]

This assuming BSoda will die and provide gen, what if she's alive tho

You need to fight like very strong comp with raw dps to get soda sacc

[swift mango]

If she is alive she would get healed and burst... So deal better dmg....

[crystal flicker]

but not every comp like that

What are the chances Soda will die before 3RL mark

[swift mango]

I saw a Cindy lost to SG because Siren stun B.Soda so Drake burst and nuke the blocking Cindy lol... If only B.Soda burst that cindy would have a chance...

[crystal flicker]

If you want sacc and burst with Drake, better use P23 P1

She works wonder

[spiral onyx]

its 2RL when my SGs kill someone

[lone sequoia]

SG teams have the same counters, a invested scarlet or biscuit+defender p1, p5 you can change the elements and pressure but works the same with different units

[rotund swan]

Lol, it is the match I have to bet. I also think scarlet will win 123 and lose 45

[swift mango]

My "SG" team does fine against biscuit p1+5 though.

[crystal flicker]

Which one is better, +25%Atk or -48%Def?

[lone sequoia]

my SG team is a laplace/noir/x/x/rosanna

full ele/atk/cs

[swift mango]

My SG team is Sacc Pinne then Rosa nuke follow by ReiT nuke.

[lone sequoia]

that work, a sacc need a nuke

[swift mango]

So p1+5 can stay there lurking at their Attacker died... Unless one of the 2 defender is XMaiden and she got biscuit then burst.

[lone sequoia]

??

[swift mango]

If you're asking which give more dmg then 25% AtK give more

[swift mango]

My "SG team" got killed by real SG team easily though because Pinne would just die in 1rl.

Or even half.

[umbral belfry]

I BELIEVEEEEE

[tawny vine]

was testing my cookie cutter teams against this guy using siren in rookie. surprised how impactful her stun is

I guess it's just have a redundancy burst for when p1 gets stunned

[lone sequoia]

more damage during the burst chain?

[placid bloom]

rookie Siren is faster, don't use it to test SPA

[tawny vine]

wait that's a thjng really?

[lone sequoia]

you still have problems with siren or people in your bracket?

[placid bloom]

no

[lone sequoia]

different fire rate in pvp modes, the MG/fps fix

[tawny vine]

ah didn't realize I guess that's available in rookie then but not spa

[worthy sorrel]

I have a difficult time telling on my match up this round. i'm not sure how shotgun does in general since it's such a weakly built sg team. indom is supposed to beat cindy, but indom has been weird this whole tournament

first time making one of these. anyone have thoughts?

I'm cheering for myself either way. always gotta manifest 🙌

[spiral onyx]

My upcoming matchup against Zero.

• T1: Probably lose unless Siren somehow stuns Scarlet or his Blanc's indom goes on the wrong unit. Or the team generally fails to 2.5RL
• T2: Probably win as I think I have a slight advantage as buffed Cindy + Helm > unbuffed Maiden + XMaiden
• T3: Uncertain as his P1 Cindy will push my SAnis team to 2RL but my SAnis may survive his Cindy nuke while his Cindy wont survive my SAnis
• T4: Clean win, SGs will suicide against my Scarlet Jackal
• T5: Uncertain as my SGs will get stuck on his Anis but my Rosanna + Poli + BSoda nukes may wipe his SAnis. So depends on who B3's first.
  @vale fossil what's your prediction?

Here's my matchup against @scenic hatch
Broke my perfect winning streak
https://youtu.be/ID6KvFvYC6I

[vale fossil]

T1 - Win
T2 - Lose - Maiden Nuke is not working properly on CA
T3 - 50/50
T4 - Lose
T5 - Win

[keen vapor]

"unless siren somehow stuns Scarlet..."

Wym? It's not guaranteed to happen on P1?

[spiral onyx]

Maiden Nuke is not working properly on CA
What do you mean by that?

[spiral onyx]

Timing. Not sure if it'll come in fast enough

[lone sequoia]

it will stun in b1-b2 2RL range

[spiral onyx]

His team is a 2.5RL Scarlet Jackal comp, but the other thing is, Scarlet counter-attack can also kill Siren. So not a guarantee Siren will pull off the stun

[vale fossil]

I recorded every fight but her nuke didn't trigger, it's really weird because it's working as intended on SP

[coarse lake]

cindy team stall is better than I thought honestly, and yeah the ein decoy bug did help out for sure here

[spiral onyx]

Even if it triggers though, it'll be hitting like a wet noodle. No self atk buff, no team buffs

[lone sequoia]

to me depends in if scarlet get blanc burst and keep attacking your sbs or if the attacker sbs kill your other units and is just a blanc race against scarlet

[hushed kelp]

Wat, is siren stunning that fast in CA?

[spiral onyx]

Maiden really only works with Jackal link so that she can build her self atk buffs

[lone sequoia]

that fast? depends in the team cs, but yes

[spiral onyx]

but even then, she needs 2 buffers to be able to 1-shot. So her requirements are just too high imo to be worth running anymore except as a battery

[hushed kelp]

No scar in p1 then

[keen vapor]

So, we better snipe with Helm

[spiral onyx]

Helm snipe is a yolo strat. Good for attack, very questionable for defence

[coarse lake]

if you wanna run an off-meta nuke, run one of the eva rei's

[spiral onyx]

Remember that SAnis and Cindy for example aren't attackers and wont have the highest atk

[vale fossil]

yeah, I get it, her win rate is so low that it's like a throwaway team at this point

[spiral onyx]

and a lot of teams have 2 B3s and so if one of them is treasured, Helm will target that

[lone sequoia]

cindy can after her burst but decoy

[dire root]

W/L? Not sure
W/L
L/W
W/L
W/L

[lone sequoia]

or was pre b3

[keen vapor]

After B2 basically

[spiral onyx]

if Helm is on a team thats slower than 2RL... why is Helm being wasted like that

[lone sequoia]

2.5 at most but people will do those things, they also go scarlet/trina without jackal and loses against SG

[vale fossil]

My guess for T1 is that Siren is gonna stun Scarlet, and she's probably gonna die, but SBS is gonna get the indo from Blanc

[keen vapor]

But normal Scar always gets indom (?

[lone sequoia]

who is highest hp there, scarlet or sbs?

[spiral onyx]

The lesson I learned from S1 is because its a best of 5 format, its better to ensure your 4 strong teams are solid rather than cripple them in order to throw together a gimpled T5

[coarse lake]

my gimped team is one of the 2 that's still undefeated

[vale fossil]

Last fight vs Zeus SBS got the indo, that's how I won that fight

[coarse lake]

ppl still love putting their top comps in t1 t2, was expecting at least some shuffle...

[lone sequoia]

my teams are like that, but 3 strong, 1 team i really like and filler, my problem is no CA for me (main or alt account)

[vale fossil]

https://youtu.be/xsKxcDx2g0c?si=z5qHpSajL2POxZXN

[spiral onyx]

if Scalter is the one getting the indom, then yeah its likely a loss. Unless... Siren stuns Scarlet, both Scalters gets indom'd and burst, then it boils down to Scalter vs Scalter showdown lol

The T3 matchup intrigues me though, time to try it out against my favourite punchbag

[vale fossil]

Siren stun vs Moran will decide everything + Cindy Nuke killing SAnis and XMaiden or not

it's gonna be a fun fight

[coarse lake]

accurate bio

[spiral onyx]

I think my Moran will get her burst off in time. My SAnis comp is 2.5RL

[lone sequoia]

if the team is 2RL, b1 p1 is safe against siren stun

[spiral onyx]

Cindy is 2RL and the Siren stun is happening at the start of B3

chance of Siren stun happening before 2.5RL's B1 triggers is pretty low Id say

[vale fossil]

So basically if my cindy can kill your SAnis and Maiden is a win for me, finger crossed

[spiral onyx]

So Moran will get her burst off, Biscuit uses her burst at the same time as Cindy uses her burst. Can SAnis with Moran buff tank Cindy's burst? If yes, then its gg, SAnis will wipe the floor. If not, then its over unless XMaiden somehow gets a Biscuit indom and bursts then somehow beats the rest of the Cindy team along with Moran (very unlikely but it has happened before)

[coarse lake]

invest diff

mine managed to live a same speed noise cindy nuke bc of lifesteal inbetween hits, but it was still close

[spiral onyx]

so my SAnis has a SR15 doll, plus Moran buff

C7 SAnis with full +5 OL gear is 3,148,629 HP. Add in 301,800 HP from doll for 3.4mil HP

I dunno if recycling counts

[coarse lake]

siren + trina >> noise buff, so there's that to consider too

[spiral onyx]

if it does, thats +138,750 HP

so 3.4m or 3.5m HP

Moran is 35.14% damage reduction
SR15 doll is 17% damage reduction

3,450,000 / (100% - 35.14% - 17%) = 7,208,524

Can Cindy deal 7.2mil?

Unbuffed, ignoring doll and recycling, Cindy deals 4.85mil

[oblique ridge]

In what time span? B3 burst AoE?

Single shot from basic attack?

3 seconds of shooting?

[spiral onyx]

With OL lines, lets say +30%, so 6.3m

[oblique ridge]

Oh I scrolled up

[spiral onyx]

Siren burst is +10% so 7m

[oblique ridge]

So this is about your Moran surviving

[spiral onyx]

Trina gives +20% atk dmg and +20% max HP

so yeah, its possible for Cindy to deal more than 7.2mil

which now becomes an investment question for @vale fossil

[oblique ridge]

If it crits does it just increase by 50%? 6.3m increases to 9.45m?

[spiral onyx]

how invested is your setup? xD

thats a 15% chance to crit

could happen, yes

[eternal finch]

dang both teams no longer viable.

[oblique ridge]

So 15% chance Zero's investment is moot and your Moran explodes to a crit, and 85% chance that of either guaranteed win or loss depending on Zero's investment

[spiral onyx]

Damn thats a stronk Cindy

so yeah, my SAnis is probably gonna die, just barely

[vale fossil]

Don't know if my consoles matter that much

[spiral onyx]

ok, the math says 8.15m damage

it'll 1 shot SAnis

so that should be a win for Zero

[spiral onyx]

Updated predictions

• T1: Zero win
• T2: Keripo win
• T3: Zero win
• T4: Keripo win
• T5: Zero win?

I have faith in my T5 being a dark horse though

[lunar pawn]

let's goo

anyone analyzed this 1 yet?

[obtuse sand]

is this third team okay?

[spiral onyx]

Ah no, T5 is a loss for me. Rosanna will nuke BSoda + Moran instead of BSoda + SAnis. So SAnis will survive and burst.

[lunar pawn]

[spiral onyx]

Wait no, why is Moran getting Rosanna'd

Moran is a defender. SAnis is a supporter. And probably has atk % OL lines

so Rosanna nuke should still go on SAnis and BSoda

Cooldown: 40s
■ Prioritizes 2 Attacker enemy unit(s).
Deals 1310.4% of final ATK as damage.

Nvm, it'll go to Moran lol

Looks like it'll be a 3-2 win for you @vale fossil

[oblique ridge]

Whoa, it only prioritizes, not actually looks for highest ATK?

... when the prioritization isn't achievable, it defaults to left to right priority?

Is that what happens?

Prydwen has this

■ Affects 2 Attacker enemy unit(s).
Deals 1310.4% of final ATK as damage.

This almost sounds like it doesn't work at all if it can't affect an Attacker. Which is to say, if the enemy team has 0 attackers, Rosanna nukes nobody. 1 attacker, only nukes that 1 attacker.

Which version is correct?

[spiral onyx]

Rosanna prioritizes the attacker. If there arent any, it'll do P1->P5 unless taunted

I think taunt overrides the attacker priority as well

[placid bloom]

taunt takes one for multiple target moves yeah

and if it's single target it'll go straight to taunter too

[coarse lake]

how much ele your bsoda got

if high enough, might be enough to kill sanis anyway

[oblique ridge]

Looks very slow but helped by HelmTr's burst gen.. And the fact Mana can instarez someone

CP padding team?

[coarse lake]

actually your poli prob dies to sanis before poli can buff

[lunar pawn]

thoughts? top is attacker, bottom defender

daisuki vs scarlet match

[coarse lake]

yeah I was gonna say

those look like keripo's scarlet cooks

[obtuse sand]

this is my 1st and 2nd team, any suggestion for the 3rd?

[wise horizon]

Any advice for me here?

[lunar pawn]

more visible

[oblique ridge]

Not from me, I'm kinda mentally tired now But it seems like you have it tough

[oak gale]

any use in pvp?

[valid fern]

worth using in CA if you need burst gen.

other than that, she is bricked core-wise

[lunar pawn]

right now thinking:
t1 dice roll (mirror match, siren can't stun blanc in time)
t2 bottom - SCARLET win (2RL scarlet nuke with no protection loses vs 2RL cindy nuke with noah)
t3 bottom - SCARLET win (2RL scarlet nuke wins vs SG team, rapunzel there to make sure scar can live to nuke)
t4 top - DAISUKI win (biscuit can protect moran and maiden, rosanna nuke will hit moran but not enough to kill)
t5 top - DAISUKI win (2RL cindy nuke with noah will kill sanis, and even if maiden survives to nuke it will be blocked)

any pvp gamer can confirm? I don't trust my analysis

[coarse lake]

? siren definitely stuns blanc in time

[lunar pawn]

she does?

so daisuki wins top fight

what about the other 4?

[oblique ridge]

W/L - Flippable, dice roll. Chance of Siren stunning Blanc before she bursts.
L/W - To be flippable, Noise would have to die fast. Unlikely.
L/W - To be flippable, Scarlet would have to die before she burst. Unlikely, because Trina + ScarletJackal somewhat counters Rosanna.
L/W - To be flippable, prediction of B Soda blowing up enemy team with a high ele dmg % fueled AoE burst has to be wrong.

• This would kill everyone except Moran and X Maiden
  • X Maiden can still burst UNLESS S Anis bursted then died, then it's GG
    • Idk how well X Maiden burst can try to save things. Maybe not helpful anyway?
      W/L - To be flippable, Cinderella has to fail to kill anyone with her burst. Very unlikely.

So in short, if left is Daisuki and right is Scarlet...

Scarlet wins, I predict.

[placid bloom]

well if there's one scenario where BSoda can nuke, it's against Biscuit SAnis but it's also reduced by Moran dmg reduc

actually it's buffed by Drake and Noir, I forgot they have fat passive buffs

[oblique ridge]

And X Anne

[lunar pawn]

doesn't drake buff after nuke?

[vale fossil]

RNG matchups did it again, huh? Bruh...

[oblique ridge]

Before. Her desecription is on entering Full Burst.

[lunar pawn]

mm

[glad meteor]

I think it attacks the nikkes closest to her. So changes depending on position. After attacker priority*

[oblique ridge]

But, I'm very confident for a different reason.

I witnessed a similar B Soda team kill another team, different players though.

B Soda nuke owned the other team.

Basically it's a situation where a raider's invested B Soda still wrecked if she gets to nuke while powered by buffs.

Consider that the raiding B Soda might emphasize Ele Dmg. So it's very unfortunate that it's an electric S Anis that needs to survive it.

[glad meteor]

Merry wrote down the positions somewhere

[lunar pawn]

gonna cheer for daisuki then, need the unlucky frame

kudos

[crystal flicker]

It's a comparison between Viper and P23

I'm going to sacc P23 as P1 sg team

Agaisnt strong team, this will promote them to 2RL

Against weak team, and assume she burst, she'll shreds their dmg dealer Def and make the nuke more effective

[coarse lake]

that's the wrong focus imo, just go raw dmg + snipe

[crystal flicker]

In case where P23 can survives 3RL, I don't think raw Nuke will be enough to wipe
Coz that means enemy lack attacker to P1

[lunar pawn]

need 3 more cheer losses

I want the drip

[spare nimbus]

My noise is 787 would bumping her to 7 10 7 be worth it?

[oblique ridge]

Probably not

Noise has 2 situations.

1 - She dies before she can burst. Happens if she eats SG slugs to the face, usually. Or enemy team bursted first and blew her up - like Rapi Hood + SGs or Rapi Hood + w/e... because her team gets 50% caster's atk buff, and might have time to shoot Noise while powered by that buff.

2 - She doesn't die and is virtually disposable once she bursts.

Noise's S2 at lvl10 is:
■ Affects the target(s) when attacking with full charge.
Taunt for 2 sec.
■ Affects self.
Max HP ▲ 24.86% for 1.8 sec.

[spare nimbus]

What about noah?

Ive had her at 4 4 4 for forever

And jackal too

[oblique ridge]

Noah is suitable for 4/4/4, I think she's one of the "worthless to level skills higher" ones unless it's a very tight fight.

In CA, more often than not, similar to Noise's issues, it's RNG matchups on whether you face counters, or countered, or are in a coin flip.

Very rarely will it boil down to, "If only you had more skill levels, you'd have turned this around" for units like Noise and Noah. Though 1/1/1 could be bad.

Jackal S1 might matter, sometimes it hinges on a linked unit surviving. But usually not

It's all because CA doesn't apply a deficit penalty

In SPA people level these up for CP padding to avoid or impose deficit penalties

[lone sequoia]

i see what you are doing, you want easier fights in CA xd

[oblique ridge]

Hehe

I just looked again and it seems you can max all 3 characters if you want to milk every mitigation

10/10/10 on Noise, Noah, and Jackal

But that seems like overspending for small gains to me. And still wouldn't save you in most cases if you're countered or have a mismatch

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit can you help me again? Also if im on cp deficit on like 15% and enemy team is something like noah/biscuit/cindy/thelm/rumani what should i use?

[oblique ridge]

I responded in case you missed them

[warm monolith]

I think
T1: win
T2: win
T3: lose
T4: prob win
T5: lose

[oblique ridge]

Is this CA?

Because if it is, don't worry about CP deficit penalty. Doesn't exist in CA

[warm monolith]

Btw whats the reward of winning in CA?

[oblique ridge]

Hence why I was just now advising that they shouldn't worry about getting lvl10 S2 Noise (they already had lvl8)

[oblique ridge]

Frames, pride, bragging rights, and better arena exchange voucher prize amounts for your Union (CA will mail everyone in your Union including you a large amount of AEVs to spend. It's the same AEVs you get in Rookie and SPA. But a lot)

[warm monolith]

My union has like 6-7 people lol,we take whoever decides to join but were only level 3

[oblique ridge]

It makes CA essentially an optional for-fun content, you can literally skip it. Though some of the frames do look cool.

And other pvpers will be envious of your better pvp frames.

[raven sparrow]

Top should be attacker, but any thoughts on this please? I think I'm going with top though but unsure on a couple of these fights.

[oblique ridge]

Nice screenshot format

[raven sparrow]

thanks put in effort at least to make it easier for others to see XD

might as well do my part if im asking at the very least lol

probably doesnt matter since both close enough but went ahead and added their total SP as well cause why not

not confident on it, but i was thinking...
1: W/L
2: W/L
3: L/W
4: L/W
5: W/L

[placid breach]

How siren for pvp and do want burst with her?

[lone sequoia]

i just use A or B
like R1-A/B
A=top, left attacker team; B=bottom, right, defender

[raven sparrow]

AABBA then lol... still not very confident on it though especially the last 3 no clue

[lone sequoia]

R1-A
R2-A
R3-B* or 50/50(if SGs kill noah fast, but i'm not sure if they can hit cindy p2 or they will skip to siren, depends in the angle probably)
R4-B* (siren p2 stun scarlet?)
R5-B* (moran-biscuit counter sbs)

[glacial hound]

rumani taunt can mess it up, instead of all biscuit time on moran the second proc will go to rumani so sbs will have like 5s where enemy is not biscuit protected to kill

cuz it happened to me b4

[lone sequoia]

then she will keep the aggro

[crystal flicker]

I was cheering for losing frame, yet the one I cheered win smh

[dire root]

Does scarlet die before burst in round 1 lol

[cursive pike]

anyone checked to see who will win for these 2?

[placid bloom]

yes because she's naked, she's there to sac for Rosanna to speed up burst to 2.5-3RL

[dire root]

Oh I didn't see this part of Rosanna's burst skill.

That changes a lot

Either scarlet some how lives to burst and wins the round or scarlet dies and rossan and rapi burst winning.

[placid bloom]

she's never living, it's 4RL without Rosanna sac lol

don't want her to live either, she's 1/1/1 with R5 doll and no gear equipped

[dire root]

I mean the other team is even slower lol

[dire root]

Why is scarlet 1/1/1

[placid bloom]

because I don't have resources to level a unit that's not useful in campaign or SR and I don't have Trina

[dire root]

Scarlet is going to be my electric cope along with Ein since I don't have Cindy.

[dire root]

Anyways
W/L
W/L If SBS lives to burst
L/W
W/L
W/L

Easy cheer

[placid bloom]

I don't think it's that easy

[dire root]

No? Ah ok

[placid bloom]

a lot of the fights are conditional on certain things occuring

round 2 have to one-shot Noah from 51% with SBS to skip 2nd Biscuit invin or might be doomed

round 4 Rumani has to live or I have no B1

round 5 Bay has to soak all Cinderella burst hits

[dire root]

I didn't take into account biscuit rip

[swift mango]

5. Top will lose because Moran+biscuit.

but 4. Top can salvage by stun scar and win.(provide either burst 1 survive for the to burst).

So voting for top is good.

[placid bloom]

tbh Idk who wins, it's one of those fights where you don't know until it actually plays out

I do feel like frgff is favored though

because his team execution has less conditionals

[raven sparrow]

so which do you think for that particular team?

[dire root]

In round 5 isn't helm going to burst light years ahead of their team and nuke Cindy/helm? Or is helm's B3 not enough without more damage.

[raven sparrow]

ok thanks XD

[raven sparrow]

ty for input! 3rd one is tricky isn't it... hmm

[placid bloom]

Cindy doesn't get Atk buffed until FB so it always nukes Helm

so my Bay has to absorb the entire Cindy nuke

[dire root]

I keep forgetting Cindy is a defender when everything about her screams attacker

[placid bloom]

also, since I'm attacker, my Helm is shooting back to front because she's SR

which means there is no chance I one-shot Grave before she casts B2 to cut off their burst

[dire root]

Yes I can call down a nuke, I'm not a attacker though

[placid bloom]

so it's entirely reliant on whether Bay can tank the entire nuke or not

which is probably not happening

but I've seen some surprising things happen when everyone is sync to 400 so who knows

if I was on defender side I'd be a lot more confident

but attacker side sucks pretty bad

[raven sparrow]

my biggest concern for 4 is that bottom burst is so fast, not sure if top can get burst off, but top's cindy is an absolute BEAST if she can get her burst off...

[placid bloom]

yeah and also round 5 I can probably one-shot Grave before she bursts if my Helm was hitting front to back

[swift mango]

Bottom Scar will get stun for 3 sec before she could burst.

[raven sparrow]

ahh nice what stuns her?

[placid bloom]

I tried swinging into a 2RL Scarlet in SPA to see if I could stun with Siren before B3 and she offed herself to counter, Idk how everyone's Sirens are living

[raven sparrow]

siren? i think nesso mentioned that

[placid bloom]

feel like it's so unfavored for the Siren player unless you have high doll

[glacial hound]

mermaid is 93k and scar is 150k, i think siren will die to scarlet s2

so scar won't get stunned

[swift mango]

Siren but like I said, Noise and Siren needs to survive the normal attack and scar counter on P1-2 until they could burst or you lose after the stun is over and scar burst anyway.

[placid bloom]

even Soda is more reliable

[raven sparrow]

his cindy is so built but his siren and noise aren't very raised based on that CP so... a little concerning perhaps

[dire root]

Even if Noah gets double immunity wouldn't SBS still get 10 seconds of indom and just wipe their team with AOE? Only Noah would be left and just be killed when immunity wore off.

Or does SBS AoE not work in PvP?

[raven sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-chiken-chicken-rooster-gif-15719325597742543552

[placid bloom]

Noah taunts all attacks and Biscuit gives invin, so 1st proc that aims at lowest Def gets taunted to Noah and does no damage, 2nd/3rd proc that does dist dmg uses Noah as reference and does 0 dmg to everyone

[dire root]

Rip noah needs to be hit to 50% before burst or lose.

[placid bloom]

so in theory even if Biscuit is procced before burst and the timer ticks at the same time as Noah invin

[swift mango]

my Siren is SR5, tempering 7 and stay safe at p4.

[placid bloom]

you have 3 second Noah invin and then another 5 sec of second Biscuit invin

giving you 2 seconds to wipe their team before indom wears off

which is probably not enough time

so unless SBS one-shots Noah from half, it's a losing battle

I will say it's SBS with 2 Atk line and Blanc debuffed enemy during FB so it's not impossible

[dire root]

My frame probably dies here.

[placid bloom]

but it's still a condition that you don't know will happen until it plays out

[dire root]

Only 2 attack lines, you are poor I see. Imagine not having 4 attack, 4 elemental and 4 charge speed lines on SBS.

[placid bloom]

I'm lucky I even got SR15 doll tbh

it was looking kinda bleak

[dire root]

Wait would SBS want 4 charge speed lines?

I'm not sure if charge speed affects her weapon the same way it does Alice and others.

since it's a weird weapon

[placid bloom]

she gets extra slashes at certain cs breakpoints

[dire root]

What would be god roll on SBS? 4 attack, 4 elemental, 3 charge, a ammo line all black?

[placid bloom]

yeah something like that

cs doesn't have to be black though

since the breakpoints should be at 4/11/20 I think, but 20 is not doable without 4 lines

[dire root]

Ugh so many shotguns, even at 2RL Rumani is going to be shredded.

Should have put maiden in P5 lmao.

[placid bloom]

that one I'm just praying that they are on +0 T9 gear

otherwise it's pretty over

I know the Naga is invested

[dire root]

Can't you tell based on their combat power?

[placid bloom]

the Pepper is probably ungeared

problem is Drake and BSoda have purple doll

[dire root]

Was it just a oversight why didn't you put your only B1 in a safer spot?

Like p4

[placid bloom]

I think I just expected nobody to have invested SG at this point in time

cuz I split my SGs up to speed up other teams rather than make an actual SG team

but I guess I should've planned a bit more

[dire root]

Yeah I have seen a bunch of SG teams in CA they seem pretty popular.

[placid bloom]

most of the SGs I've seen were low CP, but it's just that by the time you get to top 8 all the weaker players are filtered out already

so the ones left are quite strong

it's okay, lesson learned for next time

[dire root]

At least their Drake isn't treasured, then it would be even more oven then it already was

[placid bloom]

I watched their previous match and they basically 1 volleyed the enemy p5 but it was also basically a 0 investment Anis getting hit by double wind SG

but I still don't think I live to 2RL

[dire root]

Wait nikkes have strong elements against each other in PvP? I thought that was only a PvE thing.

[placid bloom]

ele works

[coarse solstice]

That's why lapt is so good strong against electric

[raven plover]

bsoda too, my jack team dps died before blanc burst vs sg team with cracked bsoda on CA

[placid bloom]

I think it'll probably be W/L/L/L/L, too many things have to go right (or wrong) for the fights to go the other way

[dire root]

My frame is gone here I feel.

[umbral belfry]

Soon I will be a Lapt haver

[coarse solstice]

I cheered for FRGFF as well

[dire root]

Round 4 pushed me over the fence.

[spare nimbus]

Any improvements i should make?

For my sp defense

[coarse solstice]

Rumani is getting smoked

LWWWW

[dire root]

Watch every round go perfectly for Kuwon making me lose the frame.

[placid bloom]

that would be something else

[dire root]

Eat my hat if you win 4 out of 5 rounds

[placid bloom]

but I'm too realistic to expect that

round 5 is the only one that probably has a chance to go wrong, but it's a Noise + Grave buffed Cindy

so it's very unlikely to go wrong

[dire root]

And I don't even have a hat, I will have to go buy and then eat a hat if you win 4 out of 5.

[coarse solstice]

It was 💯 a position issue your teams are fine but RNG got ya

To be clear I think FRGFF is winning 4/5

Wait is kuwon hydra or FRGFF I'm so damn confused now 😭

[placid bloom]

I am Anchor pfp

[coarse solstice]

Ok so I had it right. I get mixed up so easy. It's a rough break but you definitely have outs not zero sum. Round 2 and 5 can go your way. Concern is if HelmT has higher power than Cindy and what happens after Noahs invul runs out

[placid bloom]

Helm always has higher Atk, Cindy is defender until FB when she becomes "attacker"

unless it's a 4 Atk line Cindy and 0 Atk line Helm

[coarse solstice]

Bay can eat Cindys shot I've won because of that as well.

[placid bloom]

this one's double buffed though, Noise and Grave

so it's significantly less likely

was yours purple doll for extra cover HP

mine is blue

[coarse solstice]

.

No doll she's pretty tough in p4

[placid bloom]

no doll

is sync 400 cover actually that tanky

[coarse solstice]

I think you might be ok. The window is small for helm to clear enough of the other teams though

Still you'll need that round 2

[placid bloom]

it's mostly life stealing through their damage under damage share

but yeah, still just requires too many things to go my way and his team is so much easier to execute

very straightforward attack lands = win

[coarse solstice]

That's been the winning recipe get good match ups and don't build sh..t teams

[radiant storm]

Does Noise, Noah, Jackal, Cindy, Centi
win against
Scar, Laplace, X. Anne, Anis, Jackal?

[dire root]

Damn, siren stun is going to ruin everything.

Oh I forgot that I messed up Jackal link by adding rapi

[patent sail]

I just pulled Noah, who to replace her with? T1 kinda auto

[coarse solstice]

Same speed? Yes.

Both look to be 3rl

[placid bloom]

2 clip + Noah + Noise might be 2RL, since 3 clip + Noise is 2RL and Noah is almost a clip

[patent sail]

@tropic summit u helped me build T2 and T3 , I would like to hear ur advice here

[placid bloom]

nvm

a bit slow

[patent sail]

Is this for me?

[radiant storm]

How about the Link of Jackal and Anis, doesn't that make the Scar team much more faster in burst gen or nah?

[patent sail]

No no I would like to hear advice , I'm so noob in pvp

[placid bloom]

I forgot Noah is a few % short of clip speed

[patent sail]

I have noise but didn't use her yet

[dire root]

Chat do I take a higher rank in SP or knock the person who just took my rank stopping me from getting a even higher rank. I can be petty.

[coarse solstice]

Nothing on Noah team is feeding Jackyl. Only RLs

RL/SR vs Jackyl good. SG/MG/SMG vs Jackyl very bad

[tropic summit]

get noah to 4/4/4, 4OL, SR5

or at least R5

then we can talk in using her

[patent sail]

Sir she can't work with 1/1/1?

[tropic summit]

is that supposed to be SParena for the second question? also, do it first on your own, pointless to keep spoonfeeding you, just ask for feedback

[tropic summit]

no, it will tank ur CP

go build her first if you wanna use her

[tropic summit]

then opponent knows what they doing, the only other way to punish them would be to build soda and rosanna, but i can't suggest that, as once opponent learns the pattern they'll end up the same way

rosanna may still be worth a shot as she's usable in CA and SParena tho, give it a thought

you'll want her on 7/10/10 SR5 20-30atk%

[eternal finch]

I just maxed my Rosanna so I can definitely try that out

[tropic summit]

then you gonna need to see where you can break their current attack teams, either use her on your noah team or on your scarlet

for noah, her purpose will be to delete emilia before she can indom/enter noah shield

for scarlet team, her role is to put pressure on attackers and force usage of only defenders

[swift mango]

First I clear to phase 8, pointless anyway

[eternal finch]

Attacking is not a problem. Defense is always the one that has kept me on the edge

[dire root]

I forget do shotguns attack P5 when defending or when attacking?

[eternal finch]

Would love to try a Rosanna DEF team

[spare nimbus]

defending

[keen vapor]

Not like it will matter on this matchup

Is lose or lose wherever they attack

[dire root]

W/L
W/L
L/W
L/W
L/W
Right?

[unborn shuttle]

2 pvp teams for special arena?

should be fine with just 2 since a 3rd can just be filler i hope

[muted stag]

welp

managed to burst but not enuf dmg

[latent girder]

Yall got any team recommendations?

[swift mango]

My first black line ATK in 1 year 2 months and ofc it had to be on....

[umbral belfry]

noah

[swift mango]

Never felt this defeated before in this game.

Hey, maybe one day I could link P1 Noah, who know?

[stuck pike]

You can in theory with a Cinderella team

[swift mango]

Need 3 more black line attack on Noah and I would be there.

Probably easy

[stuck pike]

Would be good for Rookie arena atleast. You wouldn't use in SP because Scarlet too good with Jackal.

[swift mango]

I went to roll on Little Mermaid and got trash as always...

[stuck pike]

At least you got Siren. Still haven't pulled her and I don't wanna mileage yet. I wanna first see if Mihara's pulls are linked with Siren's for the extra resources.

as a f2p, gotta conserve my mileage as need to basis.

[swift mango]

[stuck pike]

if i pull her, i get to save my mileage but we'll see

[swift mango]

Also got 0 rock from interception today, aside from the guaranteed boxes.

[stuck pike]

5x5 is interesting because if you pull and invest in Siren and Mihara by extension, you'll get extra tickets

And I got rocks as usual from my non-kraken interception. My average is 2, but it's been 3 as of recent

[swift mango]

I used the rocks from it and drake for that Black line ATK on Noah ofc... Now I had to reroll Noah with a lock on... Expensive

[stuck pike]

I still kinda regret using a few rocks way back on RH to perma lock her 2 perfect ATK lines. You'll never run out of the temporary locks, but they didn't exist at the time.

Much like a few OLs on my Folkwang way back too. Minor mistakes here n there.

[swift mango]

You can run out of Temp lock if you keep locking line 1+2 to fish line 3 and NEVER success.

[stuck pike]

More of a whale issue than a f2p one tbh

[swift mango]

ANY line 3.

[stuck pike]

I'm not spamming rocks fast enough to run out (for temp locks). I'm just collecting a surplus just like my elemental codes from the arena shop

[wheat heart]

For CA do you think Laplace or Siren is more important to invest in? Can probably only get one built before next season.

[stuck pike]

Laplace. Siren is mostly for beating slower teams.

[wheat heart]

10/10/10 for Laplace?

[stuck pike]

This assumes treasure laplace though.

You don't need more than 4 or 7 in her first skill.

But it's worth getting 10 in skill 2

You're not bursting with her in PvP, but she does get used in electric raids and missilis tower with her burst.

So X/10/X basically for PvP

[wheat heart]

Thank you!

[keen vapor]

Really? on same synch level?

[keen vapor]

My noise got blue attack line

[swift mango]

And my Siren got tier 14 Charge speed.

[keen vapor]

Jackal with black ele

[swift mango]

CP still low despite MLB... I think I got your bricked disease.

Her skill almost maxed too 10109

My DKW still too strong to be skill reseted.

[stuck pike]

Burst Skill 10 has low scaling level up, so it's mostly CP padding.

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

MLB giving about 6k CP

[swift mango]

10+

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

30 level of advise is nothing to scroff at.

[stuck pike]

Lvl 4 has 7.6% atkdmg, 24.94% ammo reload, 12.96% caster atk.
Lvl 10 has 10.13% atkdmg, 33.26% ammo reload, 17.28% caster atk.

It's real.

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

[stuck pike]

CP padding

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

Sadge

[swift mango]

I thought I final got something to replace DKW.... But OL failed me.

[stuck pike]

Charge speed debuff boss in a raid won't mess up Siren CDR and Siren still probably outdamages DKW lul

[crystal flicker]

Centi Biscuit Cindy HelmT Rapunzel
ScarBS Anis RH Siren Jackal

[swift mango]

Raid.

[keen vapor]

@swift mango it lasted long enough ig

[stuck pike]

It'll be okay. Your Alice will still love DKW.

[keen vapor]

One successful def is a miracle

[unborn shuttle]

bet, thanks!

[crystal flicker]

You should Treasure Helm, throw minimum investment to Jackal, SR Anis, Rapunzel, prob Treasure Drake later, and if you have Scarlet (Drunk)

[stuck pike]

Pretty natural for me, but one whale got lucky recently, so you stole one of my miracles.

[swift mango]

I got successful defs and I hasn't changed my DEF for 1-2 months.

[keen vapor]

[crystal flicker]

your bracket just lazy

I exchanging C1 everyday with a whale lmao

[keen vapor]

What's wrong with my teams

[stuck pike]

i don't know your teams

[swift mango]

Doesn't change anything. My point is I got successful def against the lower guys.

[oblique thunder]

hi can someone help me with team building for special arena?

[swift mango]

Not the whale.

[oblique thunder]

I got helm treasure phase 3 and no trina

and I got pretty much everyone else

[swift mango]

Even got successful DEF against the Gemmer dude without changing my def.

[keen vapor]

Yes here

[keen vapor]

No Trina

Time to 2RL Cindy nuke with no Noah

[crystal flicker]

2.5 Blanc

[swift mango]

Can't really hit my whale anymore because he invested into CP gap proper Arena units. So now hitting this guy for fun.

[keen vapor]

Have Emilia?

[swift mango]

I could change my DEF around to mess with his gem but too lazy to do it.

[swift mango]

@tropic summit

[keen vapor]

Blood, my defense is in shambles

[oblique thunder]

no she was the only one from that collab I didn't get

[swift mango]

Time to use your bank card

[oblique thunder]

I regret it to this day

[keen vapor]

@oblique thunder

[oblique thunder]

what do if no anis?

[keen vapor]

You skipped both Emilia and Anis?

[oblique thunder]

I don't have regular anis

[muted stag]

yeah

[keen vapor]

EVERYONE HAS ONE

[keen vapor]

C'mon there must be another way

[oblique thunder]

WELL I DON'T HAVE IT I HAVE THE OLDEST ACCOUNT KNOWN TO MAN

[keen vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946720097031045161/1297132224541364246/kisama.mp4?ex=675763c5&is=67561245&hm=75448ce1e766fdbdf153671138ba7ff0ba79d5642bbf4f34dd6c067de52a2a93&

PULL TRINA THEN

[oblique thunder]

I have like 130 tix I could but I'll wait a bit

I'm just messing with you btw I have mlb SAnis

[keen vapor]

PULL TRINA

[crystal flicker]

Seems like I'm pretty invested in PvP lmao

[oblique thunder]

hold on I'll get to 200 tix first so I can get enough for pity

[keen vapor]

Huh?

[crystal flicker]

I made investment tracker

Though still need to add some stuff and formula

Benching half of my Nikkes

[stuck pike]

PVPE as in used in both?

If so, a decent number of my invested Nikke fall there and PvP would be my smallest % by comparison with PvE getting the biggest lion share of invested.

It's mostly things like Rumani or Jackal that are truly PvP only. Some others get pulled outta the wood work in PvE.

[crystal flicker]

Yes, used in Both

Though I put Soda as bench warmer, coz I dont have any plan to invest her soon

2RL SAnis vs 3RL ScarBS Blanc

Pretty weak for 2RL comp against Blanc

[dire root]

Who attacks and defends in CA?

I assume left is attacking and right is defending?

[raven plover]

yes. top/left atk, bottom/right def

[dire root]

This seems pretty safe to me, but maybe I'm missing something.

[nocturne arrow]

bruh he use gem for rookie arena

[dire root]

He really earned those what, 200 more tickets?

[nocturne arrow]

yup
i aint even mad, that tickets really mean something to him

[dire root]

95% of the reason I even bother with rookie daily.

Most tickets come from SP.

[nocturne arrow]

the only reason i care about rookie is to defeat that guy

but not gonna use gems for it tho lol

[dire root]

Also cool you can tell how old a account is with this 52 days I think.

[quick lake]

I actually need to win rookie for tickets. I can run out of them

[dire root]

I missed a day on this account

[nocturne arrow]

i miss a few battle huh

[lunar pawn]

Not if you lose

[dire root]

Lose?

https://tenor.com/view/nah-id-win-gojo-nah-id-win-gojo-satoru-gojo-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-722934852497975468

[sleek imp]

Ha, I got rank 1 withoit a gem

[nocturne arrow]

normally people dont use gems on rookie arena but that guy isnt normal

[crystal flicker]

P3 is RNG Cindy
Since Noah 3RL can block 2RL Cindy (half dmg)
That means there's a chance where Blanc can cast Indom to ScarBS in the middle of Cindy's burst

[dire root]

Isn't being 1 RL faster enough for Cindy to beat B2?

[spiral onyx]

@swift mango So I won't say what it is but one of your comments earlier got me thinking and I did a lot of cooking and I think I have my S3 teams. 2RL/2RL/2RL sacc/2.5RL/2.5RL... Except none of them are throwaway teams this time. New T5 is significantly stronger and more reliable than the previous Blanc Scalter team

[dire root]

Oh I forgot about Cindy's delay

[crystal flicker]

Fellow 2RL sacc

Cindy wins if she hit Blanc before Indom

at least Blanc or ScarBS

[dire root]

I was going to say she could hit SBS before burst but then drake would burst, I haven't really seen treasure drake bursts but I imagine 10 seconds of immunity is more then enough for drake to murder everyone.

Actually Drake wouldn't get the indom

So cindy hitting Blanc or SBS before B2 burst would win probably.

[crystal flicker]

Maybe bottom can win if ScarBS dead before 3RL

It's Jackaless

[dire root]

Hard cheer rip

[crystal flicker]

Nah, it's Jackaless

Cindy + HelmT is on top as hard hitter

• delay, Indom will cast at 4RL if she ever cast it