pvp-arena

[coarse lake]

emi main

[atomic wolf]

rem > emilia btw

[coarse lake]

bro can run single buff emi into anything and 1 tap

[swift mango]

Do you even see that core 4 Emi?

[coarse lake]

yes, but that's still core 4 emi with just helmt buff

[wheat heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4j3jMtvoA8&t=108s

Keripo's Moran team tanking a Buffed Scarlet Nuke and winning.

[swift mango]

Add in 40% + ATK from OL and it's RH buffed Emi already.

[oblique ridge]

Once Noah invulns her, she charges up the nuke of doom. Invuln drops, she blasts enemy team...

[swift mango]

[oblique ridge]

Basically a death sentence if enemy team isn't able to do something about it right?

[coarse lake]

so I should expect emis I face to be poorly built, that way sanis lives

man, then I can live rh trina scar too

[wheat heart]

My Moran team went 4-0 in Champion's and is 10/10/10 with SR15 doll. She is easily my MVP.

[oblique ridge]

I have Emi but she's unbuilt and I didn't know how to use her, so I benched her for CA Since I survived so far, I guess that worked out because I'd probably have killed myself trying to use her. I only just now best comp is probably Noah + Emi since it guarantees she'll be able to get the nuke off once both teams burst if hers burst fast enough

Loses only to enemy Noah blocking it, right?

[coarse lake]

blanc emi better if you can get indom on consistently

[swift mango]

A pipe dream that is. Get your Moran to max and ASS to max and pray their Scar has 0lb blue doll and barely invested.

[wheat heart]

Emi is probably best used for battery at high level. Cheaper that way and don't have to mess with blanc indom randomness.

[oblique ridge]

Who's better if it was same team, Laplace or Emilia?

[coarse lake]

the way I see it, sanis team is losing to most emi, mid invest 1 buffer emi prob can't win, double buff? min invest prob kills

[oblique ridge]

Er that is when it's a team that uses one of them as battery

[wheat heart]

for battery? Emi if she has the lines

[oblique ridge]

She needs lines?

[wheat heart]

oh yeah

[oblique ridge]

What is it, x4 cs?

[wheat heart]

depends on how cracked you wanna go

[coarse lake]

13% cs from OLs for 2.5rl in 3rl breakpoint

[coarse lake]

then it's like 24% cs from OLs + maxed s1 iirc

for 2rl in 3rl

[oblique ridge]

He has 23% and that looks high

[quick lake]

that's pretty ideal

[coarse lake]

problem is that with proj speed that's more like 2.1 or 2.2 rl in 3rl

so if you need exact 2rl, you need more

[wheat heart]

yeah it doesn't always work

[quick lake]

Emilia P5 ig

[coarse lake]

but it is quite helpful

2.5rl breakpoint emi is alright, not too useful, but still good

imo go 2.5rl breakpoint then 1 ammo (+bastion for never reload) then all in on atk

that way you can run double buff emi and nuke literally everything that isn't immune

I never really got to see my blanc emi performance

only time the indom went properly was against auto team

[wheat heart]

she is great DPS for privaty team if you want to go the attack route

[oblique ridge]

The way I see it, most comps "crush" other comps by virtue of winning the comp vs comp counterplay

[coarse lake]

blanc indom without biscuit or jackal in champ is near impossible to get consistently

[oblique ridge]

So you really only need special breakpoints (like 2.5 RL and such instead of 3 RL due to charge speed)

[coarse lake]

2.5rl breakpoints rarely matter

[oblique ridge]

Otherwise, middling investment works unless you end up with perfect mirrors

[coarse lake]

your b2 still slower than 2rl's b3

you need to get to like 2.3 or 2.4rl iirc

then factor in rl proj speed (helm has no issue with this ofc)

and even then

19% cs helmt as deciding factor (17% needed for exact 2.5rl since no proj), bay b2 still too slow due to delay to block 2rl scar nuke

noah and blanc also got delays, that's the main problem

[wheat heart]

you get weird stuff like jackal link, scarlet counter, whiffs, etc that make charge time be really variable

[coarse lake]

blanc can also straight up indom dead unit

if unit dies during that delay period

[wheat heart]

like I was testing a 2RL scarlet team against a 3RL noah. would sometimes work great, sometimes get blocked. all depended on scarlet counters.

[coarse lake]

I only build cs when it matters

helmt, emi, at ~2.5rl speed thresholds

now building trina centi jackal to make my soda comp fast enough to stun b1

going 17% cs just because on a rl is wasted mats imo, hope it's useful down the road

[wheat heart]

it adds up though. saved my ass many a time.

and it's not really hard to get it now with kraken rocks

[coarse lake]

most of the time it doesn't matter tbh

if you build your full gen roster at 17%+ cs, then yeah that starts to matter fairly often

but even then, mostly in mirror (same speed nukes)

you're still not really reaching block thresholds until you get to like 20% cs or more

bay noah blanc delays force that

but if you do build, yeah building cs on pure gen units is honestly cheap, it's rerolling for high value that's the hard part

they rarely care about any other stat, meanwhile for emi and helmt going high cs gets a lot harder

[wheat heart]

yeah, that's what i mean. getting 17% isn't that bad. my emi took a really long time though.

[coarse lake]

I'm basically never building high cs on my full gen roster though, I need noise and noah at 0 cs for consistency sake across various comps

maybe one day I can risk it and go exact same cs% on both, which hopefully is same result

[wheat heart]

also like what are you gonna even put on Rumani or Centi. might as well get 17% CS

but I do agree with you that 2.5 doesn't help much

however it has saved me a fair amount of times and a win is a win

getting that rosanna snipe off right before they can get their nuke is clinch

[coarse lake]

I don't want to get my emi any higher cs

with her current ~2.5rl, my 2.5rl emi can still nuke 3rl noah, timing's very tight, but I can do it

any faster and I'll get blocked by them

[wheat heart]

yep. i don't use her for nuke anymore

she's for 2RL cindy comp mostly

[coarse lake]

yeah that sounds nice

having trouble finding ways to make cindy 2rl without the usual units

[wheat heart]

unfortunately didn't do very well with it in CA because it had no buffers and i really underestimated how level sync would stuff AOE nukes

so if they had any kind of sustain/healing it would usually lose

[final wedge]

i really wanna reroll my helm to get 17% CS....but considering ill lose good chunk of dmg on solo raid while the reward for CA is dat bad....i feel bad if i do it

[oblique ridge]

Considering that rewards wise it's SPA > Rookie > CA, I'm doubting whether I'll be investing further into PvP since I've whaled SPA into oblivion

Now just waiting to see what's going on with that Grandmaster/Not-Grandmaster vanity frame

The one that says you just need to win battles but seems like it should be you need to win the entire CA

[final wedge]

i dont get the idea why the rewards is so lil (despite beta/trial/whatever this season is)

[oblique ridge]

Probably to avoid depriving the ones who didn't make top rank 4

[final wedge]

it doesnt motivate me at all to compete in CA tbh

[quick lake]

Probably not wanting to give the whaling whales more rewards

[oblique ridge]

Imagine, double dipped rewards - the whales beat you to top 4 (as an example), and again they walk into the "lucrative" CA... while you can't

That'd hurt hehe

[quick lake]

Not all brackets have whales, and there are ppl who fought hard to get into top 4 SPA

[oblique ridge]

The betting system lets everyone get engaged so it's really nice

[quick lake]

gamba within gamba

[final wedge]

at least give back all my resources as a prize to win the CA....or....give skill reset if we win in CA

[oblique ridge]

I actually need more credits so a free way to win more credits if I gain good PvP comp analytical skills works

[final wedge]

the problem for the contestant is.....cant cheer other team ...

[oblique ridge]

Though betting 700k to get 1.4m back isn't much to me

[oblique ridge]

wdym? We can't?

I thought we can

[final wedge]

i cant cheer other group....

the game force me to cheer myself or my enemy

[oblique ridge]

I cheered myself for 1 credit thinking I'd lose so I didn't run into that. And this next fight of mine, I think I'd win so I cheered myself for 700k... heh

Oh that

Yeah...

[wheat heart]

my union has been raging that only top 4 get to play so if they gave crazy good rewards it'd be even worse

i wish they made it so top 10 can play

and then give better rewards

[final wedge]

tbh....giving skill reset is fair for winning CA imo....no extra resources is given to the PVP whel...only flexibility

or maybe dats just me raging for CA rewards being too stingy

[wheat heart]

skill reset would be wild though. could reset all your PVE units, max your PVP, lock the teams in for season, then reset back

[final wedge]

ok im sure im raging just now....ur right

goddamit...i jsut wan better rewards for CA

[oblique ridge]

Idk, a systematic skill reset would be nice

Trade 10 rocks for 1 skill reset book

[final wedge]

oh...a capability to trade something looks good tho when u win tho...

[oblique ridge]

I say book because still have to wait on ShiftUp's windows

[spiral onyx]

I honestly just wish they had properly shared the CA mechanics ahead of time, specifically how attack works. The 5 teams I cooked was based on the assumption the opponent would be manually putting together attack teams just like SP Arena, so I built 5 evenly rounded teams. This is very suboptimal for the current mechanic of "best of 5" using the same defence teams for attack.

[chilly furnace]

We just need to get new item in arena shop

To make those useless tix reward usefull obviously

[oblique ridge]

That means if there's someone with 3 attackers that coincidentally counters 3 of your teams and meets them, you'd lose?

Still unlikely odds if all of your teams are strong

[final wedge]

actually i have a hunch it looks just like now....so i put 2RL and 3RL strategically.....ofc the full detail is still mystery for me

[chilly furnace]

Literally

[final wedge]

i still wonder how come ur Moran hit so hard tho @spiral onyx

[wheat heart]

I built mine thinking the teams were locked but you could pick the matchups, like I could use my scarlet team against a non-noah team, etc.
And they would pick their 5 matchups against my teams and most wins takes it.

[chilly furnace]

Invested moment

[spiral onyx]

Correct. But the assumption I was working off of was that the attacker can manually pick their attack teams like SP Arena so defence loss was a given and everyone would win 5 attacks. Then the tie breaker would be whether you won 5/5 or only 3/5. My teams are cooked in a way which would push more for 3/5

[oblique ridge]

Seems like Moran turns murderous when she bursts, she does a weapon swap to something with high basic atk MG

[final wedge]

ive been playin with Moran but only recently....i even boosted her with Trina....but it doesnt deal as much as the one in the vid

[chilly furnace]

We cant change team comp every enter new phase is pepega

[final wedge]

agree

[wheat heart]

Moran needs full investment to shine. The more you invest the better.

[chilly furnace]

22h of cheering time.. like wtf is that.. cant even spare 1 hr to reform team for example.. eh

[final wedge]

dat factor of cant change comp every stage is like....we will likely know the winner when the stage start

[oblique ridge]

This is Modernia

[oblique ridge]

This is Moran

[chilly furnace]

Yea.. the whole point of CA just became a credit betting

[oblique ridge]

So Moran basically goes "Imma Modernia y'all!" when bursting

[final wedge]

mine is currently on 4/4/7 with minimalistic lvl.1 OL tho....i guess need to go all out if i wanna use her

[oblique ridge]

Modernia's additional damage is only 3.05%

[atomic wolf]

I like moran because I have the same IQ as her

[oblique ridge]

So 10% of final atk (Modernia's basic atk plus additional damage final atk) vs Moran's 14.7%

[atomic wolf]

Which is to say it is anything but higher than -147

[chilly furnace]

My moran is not exist lol.. sad

[final wedge]

Moran flexibility caught my eyes in the recent SPA match in my bracket....but it is so hard to use her half baked i think

[quick lake]

skills need to be near maxed

[atomic wolf]

Too much investment, unless she shines hard in SPa its not worth to do it for CA

[chilly furnace]

Think of moran is like offensive diesel version

[quick lake]

need alot of tempering too

[final wedge]

i mean....Moran as a defender can deal dmg boosted by SAnis, Trina, XMaiden....while also can be a defensive with adding Biscuit

[oblique ridge]

Mine's leaning on MCB

[wheat heart]

hehe you just nailed my Moran team

[oblique ridge]

4/4/4 skills, T9Ms - I think I gave her lvl5 ones though.

[quick lake]

Moran not worth minmaxing on OLs, Better off rolling cs% on clipRL

[final wedge]

i use both by sacrificing the RL to be 3 RL only....cant seem to make it any faster sadly.....but i feel like evry1 knows dat already

[chilly furnace]

Just ol her and take whatever.. based support/defender . Well if lucky get ammo that a W

[wheat heart]

Use Trina + xMaiden and you can get to 2.5

[oblique ridge]

@spiral onyx Someone was saying they think that season 2 will get nasty with empty slots or lvl1 sacrifices to weaken enemy burst gen speed. Is that actually plausible?

[quick lake]

u cant empty slot in CA. Tested

[final wedge]

yea im working on my 4th char.....Rumani.....as for the 5th.....idk....I wanna 17% CS helm but.....i dont think its worth the sacrifice just for CA

[quick lake]

neither can u lv1 units

[spiral onyx]

It's actually worse than that. Assuming the opponent has properly invested into their teams, all they need to do is build 3 very strong teams and 2 throwaway teams and they have a very good chance of winning against my 5 decently strong teams.

[spiral onyx]

That's a valid strat, yes, since CA has no CP penalty

[oblique ridge]

That means everyone with three very strong SPA teams has a shot at being CA champion

Strong as in high quality/invest, not padded

[final wedge]

simply SPA but its 5 instead of 3....dats what i thought at 1st and looks like it is right

[eager mountain]

Or just in a lucky dead bracket lol

[oblique ridge]

Is that possible? 64 players Or even more than that

[chilly furnace]

In term of fairness. This looks ok . But

[eager mountain]

Nvm u meant champion

[chilly furnace]

More like a downgrade

[final wedge]

the quality is the nail in the coffin for me now....i didnt invest enuf ...and....i cook 1 wrong team for team 1

[raven plover]

is there anyone trying naked R unit

[oblique ridge]

Since apparently we can't leave slots empty or use an actual lvl1 unit, probably not possible to scam the enemy's burst gen this way

[quick lake]

If u’re rolling cs% on ur units, u can possibly do 2x 2RL 3x2.5RL. If ur 2.5RL wins all 3RL opponent, much harder to lose overall

[final wedge]

if dat is the cause....then invested SR Anis will get issue since it cannot be use as sacrifices

[eager mountain]

Sr r raw stat diff doesn’t seem much at lv 1…? And thus 400?

[wheat heart]

naked R unit + Rosanna + Mana has worked for me before in SP arena

[quick lake]

Not that I know of

[final wedge]

i really wanna use this too for my Cindy team so it has 1 RL

[oblique ridge]

And if the R unit doesn't die fast enough, it'll still not be worth, right?

[raven plover]

maybe it dies fast

[final wedge]

EXACTLY

[final wedge]

if it doesnt then it will become a liability

[quick lake]

Yeah, intentional sac teams arent good. Because u cant choose atker or defender. Should u put ur sac in P1? or P5?

[eager mountain]

But having similar stat to sr r won’t help
Someone put an r in sync and we can see

[chilly furnace]

Time to use pinne in pvp

[raven plover]

ye I was wondering if it also work on CA

[oblique ridge]

Not everyone is going to have a powerful team against you so you might draw a weaker CA player who actually slowly kills your R unit, it ends up helping them 👀

[final wedge]

those unknown factor aka 50:50 always pique my interest since ive been dealin with the same issue in SPA....like Rapunzel stuns....Rosanna + sacrifice....etc

[spiral onyx]

Yes. And because you don't know your opponent's team ordering, there's the RNG factor. Making Champion Arena be a lot less about cooking but rather about copying the 3 "strongest teams" and hoping the matchups are in your favor

[wheat heart]

too risky for me but I like putting a sac shotgun unit in P1 and P5 so you're still getting battery if they don't die fast

[eager mountain]

And they don’t have good chance winning other teams anyways
And in the opoosite u can have better with stronger opponent that likely kills sacc sooner

[chilly furnace]

Imagine season 2.. all player just copy ur team and dip . All we see is rng gaming.. yea its all betting game in the end

[final wedge]

ive been thinking....if i can make 2 RL Rapunzel dat can trigger her stun with AOE burst...i think it will win 100%

[spiral onyx]

After realizing this, it's pretty questionable now who will be CA champion, especially since teams are locked in. I'm not even confident I'll make it to the finals

[final wedge]

the problem is....i cant

[raven plover]

me thinking p2 empty strat still working

[spiral onyx]

If other players have properly invested teams and built 3 strong teams+ 2 weak teams instead of 5 average teams like I did, then they should not copy my cooks

[quick lake]

thats pretty smart and funny

[final wedge]

tbh i was waiting for ur team to gain more inspiration in the CA....but...after lookin at ur vid...i was confused....then now i know why

[oblique ridge]

The dream of a Doro

[final wedge]

they shud allow this tbh....it will make CA more vary n exciting

[quick lake]

too bad cant leave empty slots + no lv1 units

[oblique ridge]

Did you look ahead at your next two matches to see if you'll make it through?

[raven plover]

nah man imagine both sides like this

[final wedge]

they caught their interns doin it and patched up to not allowin it

intern-kun got good eyes watchin em now

[spiral onyx]

My current matchup is a 50/50 I'd say and dependent entirely on whether or not they have their units properly invested

2 are completely wipe wins from me, 1 is a mirror match but with them having the stronger team, and 2 are narrow losses

The two narrow losses are them running strong teams against my medium teams. The two strong wins are them running throwaway teams against my medium teams

But because of the best of 5 format, it could be a loss for me even though I overall have stronger teams on average

[lunar dirge]

man, we love getting screwed by rng

[strong hull]

[final wedge]

yea....despite having good 17% CS RL Clip is not a guarantee.....but u can always count them to mess up

[strong hull]

Im still betting all my stuff for keripo

[final wedge]

like.....blanc indom team vs similar blanc indom.....0.5 higher RL = lose

[wheat heart]

I lost my bracket CA match today 2-3 and it was entirely because of the matchups. Just how it goes.

[chilly furnace]

Yea. but maybe for whos not and just wanna lets say survive a bit longer probably will.. ppl alr know u good at it

[eternal thunder]

I sure hope they get good money out of this lmao

[chilly furnace]

Well credit betting is gone next season idk what will happen next or maybe this CA will be just locked for months before another release

[umbral belfry]

sbs

[wheat heart]

for real? no more credit?

[quick lake]

credit betting brought us joy

[final wedge]

i do wonder....once the champion is elected....will those champion fight another champion from another group??? and will the region champion will fight with other region champion in the end tho....

[worthy knoll]

rocks betting now

[oblique ridge]

Where's it confirmed at?

[wheat heart]

after this bracket they go to a bracket w all the winners

[chilly furnace]

That the whole point of CA in my conclusions really

[eternal thunder]

Two simps throwin hands lmao

[wheat heart]

but i don't think they fight other regions

[umbral belfry]

Only one sbs simp will win

[raven plover]

wait my friend and I was talking about your team 5 for betting

[chilly furnace]

Not confirmed iirc but they say wanna adjust about it. In the dev note i think.. need to revisit aswell

[wheat heart]

I think its letting people bet on all matches instead of 1 random one but idk

[quick lake]

I think they wanted to scrap credit betting entirely

[eternal thunder]

Soda usually dies too fast so I cant burst with her :(((

[quick lake]

latest dev notes iirc

[eternal thunder]

But that team won 3 out of 4 times now

[raven plover]

we were hoping your shotguns aim rosanna for unknown reason and win

[final wedge]

so....what will we have for betting then ....i cant think they introduce new currency.....if they do....i want it to be worth tho

and....ESPECIALLY a good benefit for contestant

[quick lake]

idk. Maybe arena currency

[umbral belfry]

rocks

[worthy knoll]

rocks pls

[wheat heart]

rocks would go so hard

[quick lake]

rock would break the game

[umbral belfry]

Just as planned. EoS

[final wedge]

cuz right now....contestant are locked into cheering his own fight......while not participating can cheer the group they select ....how come the participants get less benefit

[eternal thunder]

The gdo will bless me, maybe

[chilly furnace]

@oblique ridge that on my assumption.. should put disclaimer yes my bad

[quick lake]

u can cheer ur own matchup

[quick lake]

Possibly free credit. Lose bet 0 credit, Win bet, + credit

[final wedge]

but i dont want to ....i shudve have more freedom as a participants....and yet im shackled

[quick lake]

I know my team and cs% best

[umbral belfry]

If you were in league/top 64 but got kicked out, can you cheer for everyone now? or just whoever was in your group?

[chilly furnace]

Probably.. the betting maybe still exist but not use creds too yes

[final wedge]

imagine if we use gems

[quick lake]

The cheering pair is allocated to u. U cant choose i think

[umbral belfry]

Well, time to be a cheerleader tomorrow either way

[chilly furnace]

Rip anniv fund lol

[wheat heart]

it gives you a random match after you lose to cheer

i lost top 64

[umbral belfry]

Ahh, interesting

[final wedge]

cheer using gem might actually be worth tho....it will make ppl more interested in learning PVP tbh

[coarse solstice]

It's silly but if they didn't do it that way a lot of people wouldn't cheer on lower tier matches

[wheat heart]

yeah everyone would just bet on the landslide easy wins

[chilly furnace]

The actual GBF back in 2014

[quick lake]

I wouldnt mind free +10 gems for correct cheer

[umbral belfry]

We'll do better next time

[coarse solstice]

Hime your walking into to 16 right?

[umbral belfry]

I fear top 32 is where my story ends

Sbs + scar hardcountered, and other lackluster teams lose

[quick lake]

U’ve already made us proud

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

I will be cheering for u and neko

[coarse solstice]

You never know. Everyone thought my second team was a guaranteed loss and I got there

[eternal thunder]

ez bomboclat bratha

[wheat heart]

I lost 2-3 because blanc indomed Helm........

[umbral belfry]

gotta love rng

[umbral belfry]

did trina get indom?

[coarse solstice]

Yes! 🤣🤣🤣

[umbral belfry]

you hate to see it

[coarse solstice]

Moran buffed helm to one shot RH. Helps my Helm is almost finished 10108 and stage 3

[quick lake]

Moran buffs helm?

[coarse solstice]

Doesn't she ?

I could have misunderstood

[quick lake]

No

[coarse solstice]

NVM then 😅

[quick lake]

Moran only gives dmg reduction iirc

[calm gull]

[coarse solstice]

I meant rogue! Sorry

It's late and I have pneumonia. But my meds won't let me sleep

[calm gull]

rouge buff smol atk dmg, sure its a buff

but not really noticeable

she more onto buff hp

[coarse solstice]

I almost never use them. Still learning all of the different kits

Tetra tower is making me learn rouge though... Ffs

[calm gull]

its fine

still funny that trina got indom instead of RH

[umbral belfry]

[coarse solstice]

Right now my Rapunzel is stealing indom from SBS soooo that's cool

[calm gull]

that means your Rapun has lower hp than SBS

[oblique ridge]

Ice Maiden was right.

The less you wear, the higher your defense.

Trina, well...

[coarse solstice]

Yep it does. Can't change anything since the freeze upgrades in CA

[calm gull]

right

has good & bad side

more on the bad side tbh

[coarse solstice]

I do like that I don't have to sweat team placement

[calm gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1360832513827803259/image.png?ex=67fddf0a&is=67fc8d8a&hm=ba4bf86fd2eacd3d081a5580090c5f2f8e9101aa6bba870935c87ece6fe05659&

[coarse solstice]

Just make 3 strong team and hope for the best. Like K said earlier

[umbral belfry]

thinking of potential future teams would blanc + rapu be more ideal or stay as blanc + bisc?

[calm gull]

I hate this

[coarse solstice]

Wouldn't it depends on ur dps

[calm gull]

fAiR mAtChMaKinG

my ass

[umbral belfry]

true most likely i'd use sbs there regardless

[coarse solstice]

As long as you guarantee sbs gets indom I like blanc

Rapunzel**

[quick lake]

I'll help cook u teams next season

[umbral belfry]

[coarse solstice]

[umbral belfry]

that emote 😭

[coarse solstice]

Using Rapunzel saves Biscuit for Noah or other strong builds. Makes Burst gen rougher though

[calm gull]

thats

[umbral belfry]

Decisions decisions

Well, i have time to think of what to do. gotta slave over giving rh all my skill books

[calm gull]

noah biscuit is enough

[coarse solstice]

She's worth it... My not finished helm has higher base attack than RH which cracks me up

[calm gull]

helm treasure is your main priority to compete in Arena

[umbral belfry]

got her just need to level up burst higher than 4

[final wedge]

dats the downside.....but.....iirc i did able to make it 2.5 RL....the problem is....gotta put biscuit into 17% RL as well

[final wedge]

and.....who da heck invest 17% CS on Biscuit

[umbral belfry]

my helmt only has 1 OL

not even t9m

[coarse solstice]

My helm needs a helm.... It hurts

[umbral belfry]

[coarse solstice]

She was my first MLB

[final wedge]

so far....investing 17% CS on helm has it own benefit in SoloRaid too for having good burst gen.....the problem is......how much rock for her to build 4 CS, 4 ele

[coarse solstice]

Rng 4 rocks top have faith

[final wedge]

2025 and we still have issue in rocks.... ...goddamn SU

[coarse solstice]

Blessed on double day I ended up with like 9 rocks

From both days total

[coarse lake]

a ton

gl

I just went 4 cs 3 ele instead, her dmg isn't pilgrim lvl, so ok having lower ele

my rapipi nearly beat her on snek SR....

[final wedge]

1st think 1st....ill build Rumani 1st....then stock up for Siren for half anniv....if i got extra, ill build my Helm....dats my plan

[coarse solstice]

What if siren is bad...

[final wedge]

naaaaa....cant be....i mean look at

[swift mango]

But you can use Products 23 p2.

Without gears or doll

Since CP no longer a problem

[swift mango]

I would still have to buy 1 copy

[raven plover]

how fast it dies tho

[coarse solstice]

Same....Ill always pull pilgrims. Now if they rot in my box that's another story. However I still haven't pulled crow #blessed

[coarse solstice]

Uninvested 1 RL and it's toast right?

[swift mango]

Should be very fast. Especially against invested Scarlet p1.

[coarse solstice]

So Rosanna lvl1 then what?

Don't know if that's the meme or not but abusing Rosana burst gen from a level one dying in p2 would be funny

[atomic wolf]

i can win

[swift mango]

I think Products 23 will see uses starting next CA.

I mean, I would use her to beat Scar Trina.

[boreal mango]

Any idea which team will win?

[swift mango]

I will have to save rock for the next half month if I wanted to improve my units even a little. Time to eep and forget

[raven plover]

since its sync lv 400 not sure if 1 RL enough

[final wedge]

id say team 1 aka RedHood....assuming both team can survive till blanc indom....id say Rapipi as MG will have better chance than Alice shootin

cuz by the time indom ends....both team will be battered up

well...at least the one with Blanc will be battered up 1st

leaving only Alice on Blanc indom team

[swift mango]

Who is the one attack?

Rapipi on the bottom has a chance to win if Alice died before she burst, then HelmT burst and indom fall on Rapipi...

Otherwise, lose.

[final wedge]

yea....same thinkin....i dont think can pull 1 RL team with lvl.sync like this in CA

[boreal mango]

First one is attacking

[coarse solstice]

2mil health

[swift mango]

The top guy attack? Then he should win because RH+HelmT make indom fall on Xmaiden.

That's a death sentence

[raven plover]

[final wedge]

say against 2 decent DPS and 3 support...i think will use 1sec to kill dat......so at closest prolly 1.5RL

and.....1.5RL against 2RL is.....well....rarely beneficial

[boreal mango]

Ok thanks

[coarse solstice]

What if your using it with helm as b3 to snipe scarlet/dps

[merry agate]

Yo hoboman

[raven plover]

sup

[final wedge]

i mean 2RL team design are mostly ditching out defense....only with Noah or great sacrifice like using helm n Emilia to make up to 2 RL...

[coarse solstice]

Right so killing DPS would kill the team

[final wedge]

but.....hmmm......rate wise....what are the odds in CA dat u would fight 2 RL Noah ....

[coarse solstice]

Same as having your scarlet run into a Noah rng bottle neck

[final wedge]

look very plausible candidate for CA....but not sure until some1 sacrifice dat method for our purposes

[coarse solstice]

I don't have Rosanna invested yet or I'd test it

[final wedge]

same....im not robanana believer like @raven plover

my Robanana is half baked banana...with only 2 OL gear and 4/4/7 skill.....i ditch the progression since i have Pepper.....

[final wedge]

but thinking the viability of burst gen sacrifice usin Robanana looks very interestin tho...it gives the sense of "uncertain" in the battle

[coarse solstice]

Also can turn a garbage 4rl CP cope team into 3rl

3.5*

[final wedge]

any risk taker would gladly take dat kind of team.....but not for me tho.... .....i kinda hate 3RL teams who has half-baked defense

to me....3RL team require some kind of defensive......or else...it will be feedin my attacker

[coarse solstice]

Makes sense.

[final wedge]

lookin at 3RL with Robanana with no sacrifice play is liek = ezy win

[merry agate]

How to know which CA team in attack mode / defence mode?

[final wedge]

the top is the attacker i think

and the bottom is the defnder....but tbh...idk too....

gotta check the one with SG team....then can know

[onyx scaffold]

but u made me win first bet

thanks. i kinda think the same. investment plays a big role here

[swift mango]

Do you get the frame if you just lose one then stop betting?

[coarse solstice]

This poor dude lost to a team with no B2

[swift mango]

Sound like skill issue.

Probably zero investment Moran.

[coarse solstice]

Looks like Laplace nuked Moran might not have even burst

[swift mango]

Yeah, Alice dmg you know from just that

I will probably have to reinvest many of units from crack to have more chance at CA.

Poor SpA and CA operate on different rule sets and my unlucky f2P ass.

LapT will need to have 4 AtK and 4 Ele.

Emi would need either 20% CS or 4 ATK or both.

Other core units like Jackal still need CP on stop of CS.

I guess I will just take the lose in the first 3 CA to save rock for 1 month and a half to have a chance at rolling for a good line...

Fixing LapT will take lots of rock. And My Scarlet will need to reroll from scratch as well because her line 3 just won't dropm

[coarse solstice]

I'm a light ***** (ffs) spender so I feel you. Mostly just drop cash to pull units and skins. I do buy the monthly supplies and the occasional core dust

[onyx scaffold]

minor and spender

[calm gull]

at least one unit on a team

shinono is just flexing at that point

[unique mountain]

He pve person, he isn't t gonna win anything pvp related , makes sense not to try

[final wedge]

[calm gull]

that also might be the case

[inner drum]

can someone explain to me briefly the ways that your team being on attack or defense matters? Does it affect something with targetting or damage or something

[final wedge]

in SPA or Rookie....if you are defending, ur SG unit will hit Pos 5 1st then move to Pos 4....while other non-SG unit will move to Pos 1 after Pos 5

iirc there was a manual here somewhere with picture on it....

but i cant remember where....must be in pinned message somewhere

[inner drum]

Oh and that's different on attack?

I'm just curious why being on attack vs def matters in ca

[final wedge]

the order of the attack on SG unit when defending is different when attacking....thus if ur attacking an SG team....u need a good pos 5 unit to defend their attack

[final wedge]

ofcourse .....

[inner drum]

Makes sense, thanks. I knew it mattered but not exactly why

[quick lake]

Targeting for atk/def

[brittle horizon]

Need help guys, if left attacking n right def will the win order LLLRR ? Not sure of my prediction

[spiral onyx]

So my latest cook is 2RL, 2RL, 2.5RL, 3RL, 3RL... I kinda want more clip RLs now lol

[quick lake]

Siren pvp unit surely

[calm gull]

no

I am desperate for campaign and I'm struggling

crownless behavior

[final wedge]

believe me u do.....17% CS can make or break the team....but u gotta ensure to be on the right one

hitting 17% CS can be annoying tho...especially if it goes unlucky.....

and i still find Helm 17% CS is stupidly strong in burst gen.....cant believe she gain so much from it

[minor pier]

who do i pick to win?

[spiral onyx]

Oh yeah I completely forgot about that

Recalculated... Now everything is 2.5RL or 2RL

Gonna need a lot of rocks though

[final wedge]

yea...trust me A LOT ......but i found it not worth now since CA rewards is liek pepega

[valid fern]

now that we know CP don't matter. my batteries gonna get CS 1 line any line.

[quick lake]

right should win

[minor pier]

tysm~

[final wedge]

purposely set who is on 2RL and who is 2.5RL and 3RL also play a big factor.....it may look like an easy 3 best comp at glance for CA....but...if it were dat simple....i would lose in 1st bracket for not caring enuf for 4th and 5th

and.....the lookin at trend in CA bracket also can play a role.....altho i hope u can make an excel out of it to see what team has best win % and on what position....is it team 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 @spiral onyx

[spiral onyx]

I'm not gonna do it myself, but Ive asked some friends over at enikk.app to give us a helping hand on it

[final wedge]

niceeeee...plz do share it

[spiral onyx]

Just bookmark https://enikk.app/ and check back later

[final wedge]

it really2 pique my interest which placement shud i put on my team....cuz now all i do is 2 RL, 2RL, 2.5 RL, 3RL and 3RL

[minor pier]

i lost... 💔

[quick lake]

Team ordering is random wdym

[spiral onyx]

Dont expect that level of detailed info though

you're looking at a sample size of like... 2-3 lol

[spiral onyx]

Isnt it T1 vs T1, T2 vs T2, etc?

[final wedge]

wait really????????

[spiral onyx]

all my fights look like that at least

[final wedge]

im pretty sure its the same as the last time i set tho

[quick lake]

As in, 1v1 ,2v2 etc

[spiral onyx]

That sounds non-random to me lol

its just the brackets are randomized, supposedly

[final wedge]

my T1 was set to Cindy team 2RL
T2 SAnis 2 RL.....n so forth...so far not random too for me

[final wedge]

BRUHH if they made it random 2nd season...then idk what else to think lmao

[quick lake]

As in, how u order ur teams are at the beginning. U cant choose how ur opponent's teams are ordered

[final wedge]

ofc cant choose opp order la....dat would be ezy lol

[quick lake]

yeah, cant choose ur opponents order. Thats the random part

[final wedge]

hence i ask keripo if there will be an excel or somethin to show the trend, placement and win rate for CA....

dat way i can predict which team i shud put on team 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 to counter the trend for next season

[quick lake]

Data on team placement

[final wedge]

cuz right now.....im playin with myself.....shadowing against myself

[final wedge]

yes....i need dat ....or...am i going too far?

[quick lake]

Maybe..

Should be random over time ig

[final wedge]

like when Keripo has its excel on team rate.....i abused dat info a lot for myself

thus i can climb my SPA back there

[minor pier]

yay i won this time!
i just swaped team 1 for 3

[final wedge]

keep climbing....u can do it

[swift mango]

T1: Noah 3rl can still catch Cindy so there is a good chance left would lose.

T2: good chance ASS got killed before she burst or Indom hit Biscuit.

T3: left win

T4: Right got good chance but left probably win this with LapT sacc then Rapu revive.

T5: right probably win.

Would bet on left but right has his chance

[brittle horizon]

tysm for the analysis

[final wedge]

lookin at the CA in my groups.....the chance of meeting biscuit is kinda rare...feel like SG team can have the highest win rate on team 01.....

[coarse lake]

From what I see, a good SG comp is 4sg + rosa

Any less and might not be enough vs some comps

[glacial lion]

24h for cheering but we can only watch previous matches for 1h?

[final wedge]

not for me.....mine is using XAnne to beat another SG so dat my Soda can burst 100%

my SG team only scared of Scar and Biscuit now....lowering the chance to lose to 2/5 instead of 3/5

[glacial lion]

sg is depend on you atk or def

[final wedge]

but....i think Scar Jack will also ded in this same lvl.400 arena

[glacial lion]

its most rng team atm

[final wedge]

dats why i put Xanne....since i calculate dat factor whether im defending or attacking ....as well as what enemies im facing....thus i.....put my SG on team 3 .....

i shouldve put my SG team on team 1....

i think SG on team 1 has the highest chance for not meeting with Biscuit and Scarlet

if only i didnt T3 Viper....my team would be using Noir instead of Anne....thus i can counter Scarlet with Viper invunerability

[upbeat oriole]

if im gonna do a blanc indom comp should i put my dps at the 1st position so theyll take more dmg? or is dat too risky (my comp consists of sbs, blanc,rapunzel (not the free version), centi and sr anis)

[final wedge]

yea....but u gotta ensure ur p1 not ded....or else it doesnt work

[upbeat oriole]

true but it should be aight with rapunzel revive if that ever happens right?

[final wedge]

i figured dat this fixed lv.400 CA can be a very troublesome to craft my 2RL stuns using Rapunzel

[upbeat oriole]

ngl though i never knew that rapunzel stuns

[final wedge]

say u put Rapunzel...yea it works...but be mindful of the RL....dont wanna go 3.5 RL or 4 RL

[upbeat oriole]

wdym?

[final wedge]

it stuns when her HP below certain range....i forgot how mch....but if it can be triggered....then u can almost guarantee ur opp ded

[final wedge]

blanc + rapun took so many RL speed .....u also need to count who ur DPS-in with aka indom unit....and most indom unit has low RL

[upbeat oriole]

ah rapunzel doesnt give that much burst? well dat sucks

[final wedge]

with rapunzel on blanc team + DPS....u need 2 good fast high RL unit to support.....or else...it might gone bad

[final wedge]

yea...dats why

[upbeat oriole]

hm would sr anis and centi do the job at least?

[final wedge]

ofc....but u gotta count other team as well tho...dats the hard part

[upbeat oriole]

cause it seems to be working right now but maybe i'll change them when the time comes when i get more treasure units

[final wedge]

u dont wan end up 1 team to have 4 RL without purpose

[upbeat oriole]

but isnt it better to have more RL for more burst gen? well at least i think its better than teams with an MG

aka most of the people im fighting

[final wedge]

generally YES...but not ALWAYS....i learned it the hard way....

like......my 2.5 RL blanc indom team lose to 3 RL blanc indom team in mirror match

dats the most basic sample there is

ur team ended up losing indomitability faster than the opp due to dat 0.5 RL

[upbeat oriole]

ohhh

i just dont fight enemies with blanc indom with blanc indom tbh

they cant indom if i scarlet nuke their ass

but ye thanks for the advice mate

[final wedge]

tell dat to my CA arena opp....

i hope my lower RL can bring me win....but......idk how much max ammo and luck i have since SBS is the one doing the dps

if only i invest in Rei2.....it couldve gone smoother

[sudden drift]

there is a big difference between which units generate burst... check the pinned comments for spreadsheet to see for yourself. it'll help you build teams in the future.

#pvp-arena message

[dire root]

Wouldn't it make more sense to display the teams the same way they do in SP arena?

They seem to have gone out of their way to make this more confusing.

[quick lake]

Yeah, feedback has been submitted

[swift mango]

SbS need 1 ammo line s2lv7 and she won't reload duriñg burst

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

Moran and Makima

[dire root]

What does the 17% mean?

[swift mango]

Cindy as well

[pale knoll]

Charge speed

[glad glade]

Does the elemental damage multiplier apply to PVP?

[sudden drift]

all overload lines apply in PVP... hence the above 17% charge speed question and in general the CP difference for same units w/ same OL gear; different lines = different unit CP. but if you're aiming to match up against ele weakness teams in PVP...

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

good luckl to you good sir

[glad glade]

Thanks. I’m asking because if it does apply, I’m probably gonna lose against this team if I reach top 16

Maiden team is mine. Splash damage may kill biscuit before I burst

[raven plover]

ye lap splash might kill it

[glad glade]

Figures. Well, doesn’t really matter as long as I can predict it

[wanton island]

how do i counter noah? she always wrecks my scarlet trina team

[placid bloom]

you need your own Noah or outlast them with Blanc. If it's SP you can dodge that team and swing over the other 2.

[wanton island]

fight noah with noah?

[rustic parrot]

i'm curious on who you guys think will win, i'm betting left tbh

[placid bloom]

it doesn't really work if you're using Scarlet though since the bulk of her damage is her burst, which will get blanked. You'd want something with more sustainable damage after the invin runs out

so your Scarlet team just swings into one of the other 2

[wanton island]

i tried using blanc and it didnt go over so well

[placid bloom]

Blanc teams need more RL to match speed of Noah team, you probably commited all your good RL to your Scarlet team

you probably died before you can burst

[wanton island]

this was the matchup

[placid bloom]

if you can't beat that team then just focus on beating the other 2

your Blanc isn't even bursting, your Trina is

that's why you aren't getting the indom

[wanton island]

i bursted, but invuln came up

[placid bloom]

the point of Blanc is that Noah's invin only lasts 3 seconds but Blanc's indom lasts 10 so you outlast them

[wanton island]

so i should swap trina with blanc to get indom?

[placid bloom]

I'm not sure if Scarlet solos their team

[quick lake]

blanc does nothing there. Typically choose either blanc or trina

[placid bloom]

you might need to use a different B3 like SBS

[calm gull]

blanc's and trina's indom works different ways

[placid bloom]

since Scarlet's damage isn't exactly the most impressive apart from her burst

[rich quail]

Trina doesn’t have indom

She has invul

[calm gull]

she gives indom to P1 with rifle

[rich quail]

Indom is what Blanc has

[calm gull]

yeah I should say it better

[vapid lake]

No she gives invincibility to p1 not indom

[vapid lake]

U still lose hp when in indom

[calm gull]

right

its invicibility/invul

[wanton island]

so trina gives invincible but blanc indom?

[rich quail]

Correct

[calm gull]

mhm

[wanton island]

which is better for scarlet?

[placid bloom]

invin doesn't matter, it's only for first 2 seconds of the fight always

[wanton island]

im guessing trina is better for scarlet but blanc better for noah

[calm gull]

depends,
tho trina also buff scarlet's burst

[placid bloom]

and it's not even tied to her burst

[wicked horizon]

How does targeting work in CA?
Since there's no attacker and defender sides?

[rich quail]

But Trina’s passive invul is not that great in comparison to her burst

Blanc’s burst is also great, but unlike Trina’s is not restricted to only Scar

That’s why you need to choose one or the other

[wanton island]

looks like blanc indom is better for noah

but trina is better for scarlet i guess

[rich quail]

That is correct

[wicked horizon]

Both teams have defender targeting?

[rich quail]

In this case because if you cannot slash by Noah’s shield with Trina, you should play with Blanc so Scar will kill the rest of opponent after Noah’s shield goes down

[calm gull]

well now mostly theyre seperate teams.
SBS Blanc
Trina Scarlet
Noah Biscuit + SAnis/Cindy
etc

[quick lake]

Atker and defender are assigned randomly. Targeting follows normal SPA rules

[rich quail]

If Scar’s Skill 2 is high, it’s even more effective

[calm gull]

in my understanding on CA,
you will atk each of your bracket once, and defend from each of them

so thats 3 atks and 3 defends

[quick lake]

You vs player 2,3,4.
U can either be on atk or defend for either of the matches

so 3 atk, or 3 defend or 2 atk 1 def etc

[atomic wolf]

oh my GOD

IT'S LIKE HAVING ACTUAL CROW IN MY BRACKET WHY DOES HE HAVE SO MUCH CANCER

THE funniest shit about this is that khiren and podk has actual team

yet for some clown shit reason they cannot defend against that guy which literally has a team of cp pad and privaty burst for ??????

[wanton island]

thanks for explanation

[atomic wolf]

LIKE I DON'T GET IT BRO

[valid fern]

based crow fan

[rich quail]

Anytime my friend

[atomic wolf]

he's not a crow fan

he's LARPING like crow

[valid fern]

even more based

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-3094746547306242594

[atomic wolf]

@wanton island oh yeah russ

have you ever met this demian guy in your bracket b4

[wicked horizon]

Hmmm...
Cheers are 75% for the left side, but I think right side will win the bottom 3 fights (and lose the top 2), so right side should win?

[quick lake]

Right guy has SR15 Scarlet, but puts her in 3.5RL Unbuffed scar team

[wanton island]

i dont recall seeing them. no

[wicked horizon]

Well, they make some questionable decisions, but regardless...

[rich quail]

Always a good decision

[calm gull]

bro has twice the ammount of cp than the rest

[rich quail]

Scar and Rosie, no Jackal

Where’s your mind, boy?

[placid bloom]

you think that Ros can one-shot the Helm

[atomic wolf]

thanks

[wanton island]

i see your pain though

[atomic wolf]

the top 1 guy is an insane psychopath whaler, we don't talk about him

[quick lake]

L
RNG
RNG
R
R

I'll prob bet low confidence right

[atomic wolf]

well yeah if i didn't get this GODDAMN APE AT TOP 1 AND THIS WANNABE SOCIAL REJECT IN MY BRACKET

i would be VERY happy even if i got lower placement

i'm sorry I cba ALL he does is terrorizing my bracket and SU rewards him for paying their salary

[wicked horizon]

M'yes, I agree.
I'm voting right.

[calm gull]

same with my bracket, the top 1 guy on mine is at 300+ sync, while the others still at 241+ sync

[wanton island]

i hate rude whales

[calm gull]

[atomic wolf]

it's unfortunate that whoever wants to be a professional in PvP HAS TO DEAL with this shit

no matter what team comp you have they could just pay and plug

[wicked horizon]

Bro's funding the development of Nikke 2.

[calm gull]

what worse is those whale actually know pvp building
unlike on my roster, those guys are just cp padding, and it works

[placid bloom]

round 2 actually hard to say too, SBS 3rd hit proc might redirect Blanc indom to Anis since Ein is Jackal linked

[atomic wolf]

and people says NA is an easy region to pick and play btw

[calm gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1360832513827803259/image.png?ex=67fddf0a&is=67fc8d8a&hm=ba4bf86fd2eacd3d081a5580090c5f2f8e9101aa6bba870935c87ece6fe05659&

this is just rigged

[atomic wolf]

even the most stupid people can pick a prebuilt team and dump 80 syncs on it per month they'll always win

[atomic wolf]

jesus christ that t op1

[calm gull]

[placid bloom]

[rich quail]

Some do
My whale in my group lost last round

He has 60+ levels and 1 mil cp over everyone in my group

But he lost because his lineups and doll invest were sketch

[calm gull]

which server r u? jp?

[atomic wolf]

if he's JP he just loses

[rich quail]

He was never seriously challenged since 2 isekais ago

[rich quail]

yeah jp

[calm gull]

damn

[rich quail]

Sharks

[calm gull]

no, leviathans

to even think you are qualified in CA, thats very impressive

[rich quail]

I’m c7 because I can’t hang with all of them but I did pretty good to get that high starting pvp in May, 9 months after my start date

But no way I can go to CA unless I get isekaied

[wanton island]

i just left mine on auto so i can steal formations for the next ca

lol

[calm gull]

my first ever attempt acc is actually trying on JP server because I was living in JP but to think all my friend was mostly SEA, I moved

For me I just do whatever I can, I lost hope the second I see my opponents

[atomic wolf]

smartest pvp player (jk)

[rich quail]

I would have tried a SEA account, but 1 account is already hard enough for me to keep up with

[calm gull]

I have 3

[shell hazel]

wonder who wins in my cheer thing

right side is actually in my SPA (3rd) and has much better unit investment

like dupes/dolls etc, may just win on brute force with higher cp even though I know cp deficit isn't a thing in the matches

[quick lake]

should be left

[shell hazel]

if they had equal investment I'd agree

left should win 2/3/4 at least

[calm gull]

left

[shell hazel]

team 2 on left for example

vs right

right could just win on raw investment to some degree, left misses dolls on most + low dupes

[calm gull]

[shell hazel]

unit investment wise?

[calm gull]

1st team

[shell hazel]

right 🙂

finish OL on pvp units, scarlets to 10/7/10, Helm to 10/10/10

273

I'm going to OL 2 more bits then I'll save fodder for Siren, or maybe just 1 more bit

most of my core pve team are not +5 OL though, or even really close to it

so at some point I'll see if I can sneak some more levels onto their gear

my SBS can auto kraken S5 now

with Alice

but she's still weak really, needs more rocks spent on her

i'm goign to cheer left on my comp btw, it will be interesting, left side underinvested but better comps, right side better invested but less good comps

I could just be throwing away credits 😄

[calm gull]

left side is saver

[shell hazel]

I'm sure there is a rumani in these tickets somewhere

[calm gull]

its better to have good comps than invested bad comps, tho also depends on cp

[shell hazel]

it's 2M overall CP on left vs 2.7M overall on right

so 700K less but not insurmountable with right teams

[calm gull]

or my crown could be in one of those

[shell hazel]

she could be

wish it showed CP per team properly, this way of checking teams is crazy

oh I didn't buy the 10 tickets yet in shop, so will be 90, I guess we'll get some more at anni. I'm going to go on a pulling session after I got Siren and things

I really don't know why they have this result countdown thing, should just tick over and be done

yeah I don't usually massively save them up but this will also get me closer to max core Noah

actually miles off still, I'll have like 100 silver mileage after I use them. Also may just get more Helm copies instead, Noah is core 1

I have her at enough copies (2LB)

can't spare the dolls atm, need to finish Alice + Siren ones first

[wanton island]

damn. we are close in sync level

[calm gull]

no treasure helm when youre rushing for PvP is rough

[wanton island]

271 here

[calm gull]

need to get lucky on dolls

good then

[shell hazel]

this + 8 boxes of each type in inventory for now

I'm going to save up these for Siren

[sudden drift]

💳

[shell hazel]

I'm going to probably keep giving doll upgrades to my core pvp units as well, at least until SR-5 on main ones

I want to stay on top of SPA for a while, other stuff can wait

centi / noise / trina / biscuit / rapu all at R-0 dolls

actually rest are OK, getting those to R-15 isn't impossible in a solo raid or two

[sudden drift]

did you beat nihilister yet

[shell hazel]

I can't beat Nihilister I'm too low cp

I think that will be 281 earliest

[sudden drift]

your CP was like 480Kish last i recall right?

[shell hazel]

nop

#pvp-arena message

[sudden drift]

i just remember it was in the 400s.. what's lowest CP clear?

last time you talked about it pretty sure you were within range of low clearers

[shell hazel]

nope, that was probably snake or someone else

lowest clears last 1 month about 450K

I like last 1 month as it's more realistic to current game state, all time gets weird

practically no one below 300 sync, only one guy at 295

most using Liter

[bleak latch]

i'll wake up again next 1 hr

[shell hazel]

my most relatable team out of these is probably this, as you can see I tank CP a fair but but my Liter also weak

[sudden drift]

dont need liter, crown taunt indom is key

[shell hazel]

for nihilister?

barely anyone clearing without her

[sudden drift]

yeh

[shell hazel]

I guess people taking for the cover rep

[unique wagon]

Not necessarily. You could have won that by using Scarlet Trina XX Jackal and bursting in 2 RL. Enemy was 3 RL.

[wanton island]

what would have been a good alternative for xx?

[unique wagon]

Something that makes you burst in 2 RL.

[quick lake]

xmaid, lap, clipSG

[wanton island]

i had xmaid

scarlet trina blanc xmaid jackal

[unique wagon]

Need RH to make sure you kill.

[wanton island]

so rh replaces blanc?

[unique wagon]

That's 6% short of 2 RL though.

Not sure if feed is going to cover that.

Oh actually Cindy P2 gives feed to RL, no? @quick lake or only Laplace?

[wanton island]

damn. ive been avoiding building laplace too

[quick lake]

Yes, Cindy P2 gives opponent 1.25x more gen

[unique wagon]

Rhea, I saw ur mutual server count +1 u just joined something sus

[quick lake]

I just joined omni server

[unique wagon]

Sus

[quick lake]

[tulip quest]

280 vs 513

[unique wagon]

Scarlet Trina RH XMaiden Jackal should work until enemy moves their Cindy from P1/P2, then.

[tulip quest]

XD

[unique wagon]

But if Blanc works, maybe just use that until she doesn't work.

In the end, Blanc Scarlet is the way.

[calm gull]

fAiR mAtChMaKinG

[atomic wolf]

I LOSE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Welcome to Champion Arena. After two years in development, hopefully it will have been worth the wait.

[merry agate]

Who is xx?

[wanton island]

was trying to beat a noah team with scarlet trina blanc xmaiden jackal. xx was blanc

instead of using blanc p2 indom, i was wondering if there was an alternative

[sudden drift]

i think i was up against the same team but RH instead of xmaiden

[atomic wolf]

P2 indom?

[wanton island]

i asked about using rh to swap with blanc they said it was too short

[atomic wolf]

I mean

[sudden drift]

no, let me scroll up

[atomic wolf]

This is kind of useless

[wanton island]

blanc is

[atomic wolf]

With trina you dont want to use blanc yeah

Go for battery, if anything you can copy my team

[unique wagon]

@spiral onyx just a reminder that website is banned here

[atomic wolf]

Scarlet Trina Liter filler battery Jackal

[unique wagon]

Might get u in trouble

[atomic wolf]

3RL is enough but if your opponent has cancer go for 4

[wanton island]

filler battery?

[atomic wolf]

Yeah any RL

[sudden drift]

cant scroll up too many posts

[atomic wolf]

I use Centi for that

[unique wagon]

Blanc is worse

[atomic wolf]

But centi is a bit overkill, so use anything else

[sudden drift]

i think the answer was noah helm or blanc helm

[unique wagon]

Ideally its Scarlet Trina RH Rumani/Centi/Anis/Emilia/HelmTr Jackal

[atomic wolf]

Oh its a noah team in that case go for centi

[unique wagon]

But LaplaceTr/XMaiden is fine if enemy feeds.

Just make sure to give Quantums.

[atomic wolf]

Punk shit noah comp never let them win

You have to be like completely showerless to use noah helm team

So yeah scarlet trina liter centi jackal

If it still loses to noah helm I'll stab myself with a knife as attonement

[unique wagon]

Liter is technically worse but

Unless u use RH somewhere else theres literally no reason to use Liter

We only recommend Liter when people dont have RH or need RH somewhere

But since this is rookie, Liter is useless for you

[sudden drift]

hang on @wanton island lemme log in and look

[wanton island]

i set up scarlet trina rh centi jackal

[unique wagon]

Yeah need RH to confirm 2 RL kill

[unique wagon]

Thats guaranteed win (should be)

But if enemy switches up and use 2 RL it wont worrk anymore

[wanton island]

my centi is half-ass built though

[sudden drift]

is this similar to opponent?

[atomic wolf]

That is some homeless cancer reject scarlet team

[unique wagon]

Not at all

[sudden drift]

[wanton island]

this is the match

[unique wagon]

This is annoying to beat tho

[atomic wolf]

It doesnt have to be built, when it comes to battery you need more combat power padding

[unique wagon]

Typically Scar Blancs are peak Scars

[wanton island]

and this is the result:

[sudden drift]

ohh you had scar and they had noah

[atomic wolf]

Oh dude you have a subhuman team do deal with

[unique wagon]

Not invested?

[wanton island]

whats not invested?

[atomic wolf]

right so you need another rl

[unique wagon]

Weird.

[atomic wolf]

My bad, I'll stab myself as I said

[wanton island]

ahahah

[unique wagon]

Is it Red Hood bug again @tropic summit

[wanton island]

its all good. its a good match i want to test a scarlet team against. i can beat it with blanc but i wanted to save her for another team

[unique wagon]

Im seeing comps with Red Hood suddenly becoming way faster like

[sudden drift]

youre 271... just CP gap that team and be done with it

[unique wagon]

Did Noah block the wipe?

[wanton island]

i didnt check tbh. im assuming noah did

[atomic wolf]

Clueless

[sudden drift]

guilty as charged

[unique wagon]

Shouldn't block unless.

Red Hood is bugged.

[atomic wolf]

Since he's doing testing I doubt he can do cp gap anyways

@wanton island you got helm?

THelm, mind you

[unique wagon]

Although might have CS diffed.

[sudden drift]

then perhaps, 2.RL team with Ein/Blanc? worked for me the past but my Ein is supercharged

[wanton island]

i shoulda cropped it better but w/e

[atomic wolf]

tf even

[unique wagon]

This should not happen normally. If Blanc works, just stick with Blanc. You can't logically beat them with faster wipes anymore. Their 3 RL team is magically 2 RL.

[atomic wolf]

Noah bursted the same time as his Scarlet

[wanton island]

ive beaten it with blanc. i was just hoping i could save blanc for another team

[atomic wolf]

Lmao yeah you are cooked 100%

At this point just use sbs blanc team

Blanc scarlet is kind of a waste

[wanton island]

i feel this

[atomic wolf]

Since you want her to wipe clean the surface

Yeah scarlet relies on her burst not her normal attacks

Using scarlet blanc is 100% a cope team and would not work

[unique wagon]

Don't do SBS Blanc. Hard countered by Biscuit Noah. This guy dk what hes talking about.

[wanton island]

sbs blanc is popular

[atomic wolf]

Back then it worked because people were relying on her s1

[unique wagon]

Not against Noah Biscuit.

[atomic wolf]

Nowadays using blanc on scarlet is a waste

[unique wagon]

When SBS is taunted and that taunter has immune, no one takes damage.

[wanton island]

well i DID win that team with scarlet blanc

[atomic wolf]

I'm just saying, it is a waste

[sudden drift]

was that before or after they hit sync 241

[unique wagon]

Look at this though @tropic summit magic 2 RL

[atomic wolf]

Since you are testing for SPa you would understand

[wanton island]

today?

[unique wagon]

Magick

[sudden drift]

not today, they're 245 now

the last time you won against this opponent with this comp

[unique wagon]

How is that relevant

[sudden drift]

uhh maybe it was when they were 240?

[unique wagon]

Enemy is unrealistically very close to 2 RL

Only charbe speed can explain that or some bug

[wanton island]

i guess he boosted after i beat it. this was an hour ago:

he does beat it now

[unique wagon]

You got Blanc video?

[wanton island]

i just him and lost

same exact team

[unique wagon]

Is there a vid from before

[wanton island]

he got blanc before burst

[wanton island]

no. i was just testing teams randomly

[atomic wolf]

Actually I have an idea for rookie arena team from your experience

[unique wagon]

Either they got more cspeed, but Cindy targeting is random. If lucky you can get Blanc indom off.

[atomic wolf]

Not for you just for me I think its gonna be funny

[dire root]

I got 1st without attacking 1st or 2nd.

[wanton island]

i can try again but id hate to keep hitting the same guy and look like im desperate ahaha

[atomic wolf]

Hey hye

When it comes to pvp, dont think about how others feel about you

If I trade with one guy 4000 times for his rank

[unique wagon]

@tropic summit i think there is a bug with HelmTr

[atomic wolf]

Its not that I'm desperate

[unique wagon]

She doesnt havee cover reload animation

[atomic wolf]

It's that I'm sending a clear message

Of oppression

[unique wagon]

Russ, u can see their HelmT charging way faster than everyone else

And even started skipping reload frames

[atomic wolf]

That's what I'd like to think then I got attacked 8 times deranked to diamond 2 and I can feel

[wanton island]

what does that mean? its obvious he knows the game better than i

[atomic wolf]

That balkan rage seething inside my body is about to explode

So no, just don't put your "mentality" on this gamemode

[unique wagon]

Normally it goes Charge, Shot, Animation, Charge, Shot, Animation. But that guy is Charge Shot, Animation, Charge, Shot, Charge Shot, Charge Shot.

[atomic wolf]

Besides rookie arena is just a place where you test team to play SPa anwyays

Nobody really give a shit if some dude with 4RL team manages to beat everyone

[wanton island]

yeah. rookie for me is b.s. to test teams. i just have a lot to catch up on with all these characters and how pvp works

[unique wagon]

@bleak shale look into this too HelmTr is abnormally fast

[atomic wolf]

Yeah so dw about it lol

[wanton island]

yeah but im not gonna be rude and grief someone

[gentle harness]

Suggestions against this? Missing Trina and X.Anne, most other things should be possible. Thiiinking Noise, Rumani, Cindy, Helm, Noah against t2. Scar, Centi, Rosanna, Anis, Jackal against t3. Power is no issue, in fact their t3 so low I am tempted to auto-generate (his t3 is 989103 vs 1324594 auto-generated team). won, no longer need help.

[atomic wolf]

You have a solid team from my experience with you in champion arena anyhow so you'll just have to, uh

test and ask others ppl around here

[unique wagon]

Bug

[wanton island]

oof. ill hit him again then

[unique wagon]

He did it on 3rd shot here

Could be visual misrepresentation but

If its legit that Helm must have 4 CS

[wanton island]

won

so the one i lost was a bugged loss?

[unique wagon]

NO DONT SPEND GEMS

[unique wagon]

Helm isnt drugged on 2nd shot this time

[wanton island]

why?

[bleak shale]

wat am i looking at

[unique wagon]

HelmTr sometimes drugging herself and ignoring cover animation delay

[unique wagon]

Peak obvious here

[unique wagon]

Useless game mode I mean unleess u whalee

[calm gull]

blanc's indom didnt make it, also

[wanton island]

yeah. blanc got popped early

[unique wagon]

That's cus Helm was drugged

[calm gull]

mhm

[unique wagon]

This might explain why some 3 RL teams become 2 RL

[wanton island]

so what causes helmT to be bugged that quick?

just rnd?

[bleak shale]

isnt she just charge speed stacked

[calm gull]

they have more burst gen

[unique wagon]

Are u sure thats way too fast

No, we know sometimes Scar Blanc RH Centi Jack which should burst in 3 RL sometimes burst in 2 RL too.

Might be caused by same shit

[wanton island]

what determines that?

[quick lake]

scar rng + RH pierce rng

[bleak latch]

moment of truth

[bleak shale]

helm shot in is first pic, 2nd shot is rh

12 frame diff, then 2nd shot happens 21 frame diff

which should be just her being alot faster than rh

[unique wagon]

Just 4 CS things? And visual misrep?

[bleak shale]

i think its just cs

[quick lake]

seems like cs

[unique wagon]

Sir you need 20% burst gen for that

[bleak shale]

cuz when u get 2 shot u expect the difference to double right

[quick lake]

Oops

[bleak shale]

if ur 12 frame faster on 1 shot then ur expecting 24 frame faster by 2nd but rh has cspeed buff on s1

[coarse solstice]

Holy crap!!!!!

[strange rain]

EZZ

[bleak shale]

so its a compounding speed increase as the burst gen takes longer

[unique wagon]

Whats 3rd shot like for control

[pale knoll]

[wanton island]

way to go dude! i know you were doubting but ya nailed it

[shell hazel]

told you guys, guy on right would win on investment 😄
#pvp-arena message

[calm gull]

yay free frame

[glacial lion]

[coarse solstice]

B2B underdogs whew wild

[unique wagon]

You say compounding but RH charge speed also increases @bleak shale which makes it harder to know

[upbeat oriole]

da hail happened here

[unique wagon]

Shudnt that be 2 RL

[wanton island]

trying to follow along but they are talking about frames and order of operations and here i am trying to learn nikkes

[shell hazel]

better vote wrong on purpose on my next cheer then

[shell hazel]

get the frame for being wrong each time 😛

[unique wagon]

Oh why make a 2.5 RL team

[glacial lion]

just a tiny bit more...

[unique wagon]

[glacial lion]

[raven plover]

[wanton island]

gj

[unique wagon]

Yay

[quick lake]

Congrats to all who won, and those who won their bets!